AFL Game Day Round 17, 2018 - Melbourne V Western Bulldogs at the MCG

[Eastdog]

Predictions:
- Margin
- First Goal
- Best On Ground

Margin: Bulldogs by 3 points

First Goal: Josh Schache to get us going and to kick 4 goals

Best On Ground: JJ to have a great one as stand in captain and his 100th game

Go Bulldogs!!

[Eastdog]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-09/match-preview-melbourne-v-western-bulldogs

Match preview: Melbourne v Western Bulldogs
Ben Guthrie
Jul 9, 2018 4:45PM

SUMMARY
Melbourne won its sixth straight game when it toppled the Western Bulldogs by 49 points when the teams met in round 11. At that stage of the year, the Demons were being discussed as legitimate premiership contenders and things were going swimmingly. Despite a comfortable victory over the Dockers in Darwin last week, there are major question marks over Melbourne's finals credentials with Simon Goodwin's side dropping three of its past four games. The injury-depleted Bulldogs are a dangerous team on their day – as they showed when they defeated Geelong in round 15 – but the year is catching up with them and finals are almost certainly out of the question (although Luke Beveridge's side is still mathematically a chance to feature in September). Melbourne has everything to play for as it tries to lock down a spot in the top eight.

WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Saturday, July 14, 4.35pm AEST
TV AND RADIO: Click here for broadcast guide

LAST FIVE MEETINGS
R11, 2018, Melbourne 15.10 (100) d Western Bulldogs 7.9 (51) at Etihad Stadium
R13, 2017, Melbourne 17.11 (113) d Western Bulldogs 8.8 (56) at Etihad Stadium
R8, 2016, Western Bulldogs 17.12 (114) d Melbourne 12.10 (82) at the MCG
R20, 2015, Western Bulldogs 24.9 (153) d Melbourne 8.7 (55) at Etihad Stadium
R8, 2015, Melbourne 15.13 (103) d Western Bulldogs 9.10 (64) at the MCG


THE SIX POINTS

1. The Demons are the highest-ranked team for contested possessions averaging 162.5 per game. They are a long way ahead of the Bulldogs, who are in 14th with an average of 140.7.

2. Melbourne has won its past two clashes between the sides, ending the Bulldogs' dominance of five wins from six games in 2013-16. The Demons haven't won three in a row over the Dogs since 2004-05.

3. The Demons are ranked first in the AFL for scoring, kicking an average score of 104 points. The Bulldogs are ranked 15th with an average score of 71 points.

4. This is the Bulldogs' first game at the MCG in 2018 with the team winning its past six games at the venue – a club record.

5. Jesse Hogan and Tom McDonald kicked nine goals between them when Melbourne defeated the Western Bulldogs by 49 points in round 11.

6. Melbourne co-captain Jack Viney averaged 18.3 Schick AFL Player Ratings points between rounds 13 and 16, ranked equal-fifth in competition.

IT’S A BIG WEEK FOR …
Jeff Garlett. The Melbourne goal sneak will be looking to keep his spot in the side after making his return against the Dockers. Garlett, who had not played since round five, gathered 14 disposals, laid six tackles and kicked a goal against Fremantle. At his best, his forward pressure and ability to snag a major when needed is vitally important for the Demons.

PREDICTION: Melbourne by 17 points

[bulldogtragic]

Melbourne 128
BOG Honeychurch
FG N/A

[AndrewP6]

Them by 55
first goal for us JJ
BOG for us Schache

[boydogs]

WB by 21
First Goal Gowers
BOG Macrae

[Rocket Science]

This'll be an ugly one with the cue officially in the rack.

Them by 67
First major : JJ
BOG : Macrae

[Bulldog4life]

WB by 12
First Goal Honeychurch
BOG Richards

[DOG GOD]

Them by 79
1st goal - sometime in the 2nd quarter
Bog - ???

[Twodogs]

Dogs by 61
BOG JJ
First goal Richards

[ratsmac]

Melbourne 128
BOG Honeychurch
FG N/A

Hahaha so that's a no from you for the win

[ratsmac]

Dogs by 1
First snag: McLean
BOG - Roughy. He shows Gawn how it's done :confused:

[Eastdog]

I don't know but I have good feeling today. I hope we can bring the intensity of the 1st half last week for the whole game. Cmon Dogs!

[bornadog]

Dogs by 30 - ( that is what I want)
First Goal Gowers
BOG Macrae

[Grantysghost]

I've heard a rumour Viney is out . Has it been confirmed anywhere ?
Oh
Dees by 40
First goal Dalhaus
Best McLean

[AndrewP6]

I've heard a rumour Viney is out . Has it been confirmed anywhere ?
Oh
Dees by 40
First goal Dalhaus
Best McLean

Just saw it on the AFL site. Toe soreness.

[Grantysghost]

Just saw it on the AFL site. Toe soreness.

Good news for us. Hopefully for him it's not the same issue he has had.

[GVGjr]

Great conditions so I'm looking forward to this one.

Hopefully Macrae has a good game

[bornadog]

Fingers crossed no injuries. Sick of seeing players go down.

bloody cold here

[GVGjr]

Fingers crossed no injuries. Sick of seeing players go down.

bloody cold here

Toughen up :) we have a game at Ballarat next week

[G-Mo77]

Wonderful. Harry Taylor in the commentary booth.

[bornadog]

Biggs backline, Ed to midfield

[bornadog]

Toughen up :) we have a game at Ballarat next week
Ha ha, I have a nice jacket to help ����

[GVGjr]

If other players like HC just did what Morris did they'd be heavily criticized.

[G-Mo77]

I wasn't confident with Hunter having that shot.

[AndrewP6]

If other players like HC just did what Morris did they'd be heavily criticized.

Was ordinary, but Morris has a career full of credits. HC has incriminating photos of someone.

[GVGjr]

Was ordinary, but Morris has a career full of credits. HC has incriminating photos of someone.

Rules for some though.

[G-Mo77]

Rules for some though.

One also plays an attacking role one doesn't. Most defenders would get a let off on that situation and get told to get back to the backline.

[G-Mo77]

Well done Lachie Hunter. That was great

[GVGjr]

3 goals, from short distances so far, if we can do 4 goals a quarter we will be competitive

[GVGjr]

One also plays an attacking role one doesn't. Most defenders would get a let off on that situation and get told to get back to the backline.

So defenders lack a sense of composure and awareness out of their comfort zone? Just a shocking effort from an experienced player

[GVGjr]

Great disruptive play to earn our 4th of the quarter.

[DOG GOD]

We just fumble and put others under pressure with unnecessary handball. I just wish we could take contested marks in our fwd 50 :(

[bornadog]

Good quarter, need 3 more like that

[bulldogtragic]

Why the hell did HC run into Cordy to stop him from a mark inside 50. He's a dead set liability.

Great effort from the other 21. Let's see if we can do it for 3 more quarters.

[G-Mo77]

So defenders lack a sense of composure and awareness out of their comfort zone? Just a shocking effort from an experienced player

If you want to bag him for, go ahead. It was the right option just not the player to execute it. Sadly I couldn't see anyone in our team kicking a goal like that anyway.

[bornadog]

Welcome back Macrae, 12 disposals

[kruder]

Just struggling with our defensive positioning early on the bigger ground. Roughead needs to grow another leg if we are going to
Win this. Has been awful so far and ended up the quarter on the ground as usual. I’m enjoying watch shaq looks a natural forward he is really clean indeed.

[The Underdog]

Not sure we were the better team but did a great job of seizing our opportunities. Cracking quarter from Lachie Hunter

[GVGjr]

If you want to bag him for, go ahead. It was the right option just not the player to execute it. Sadly I couldn't see anyone in our team kicking a goal like that anyway.

I just want consistency in calling out poor performances instead of people going to the same old targets

[G-Mo77]

I just want consistency in calling out poor performances instead of people going to the same old targets

I wouldn't have bagged HC for that shot either. I'll bag Gowers for that awful effort though. Bloody hell.

[Sedat]

Sliding rule only applies to Melbourne by the looks

[G-Mo77]

How is it possible Hogan gets isolated against midfielders.

[AndrewP6]

Rules for some though.

If the some have built a career as a warrior, yes. I’m prepared to cut someone slack if they’ve shownfor a long time how valuable they are.

[G-Mo77]

Nice finish JJ. Close to the same spot he kicked that goal in the GF and yeah he kicked it.

[Sedat]

Biggsy's best game all season so far.

[G-Mo77]

Melksham is just one of those guys no matter what jumper he's in he'll always be a complete knob. I'd have trouble supporting him in our jumper.

[bulldogtragic]

Nice half of footy. But after last week, now what?

Hopefully another half like this.

[chef]

Very good half. Now we need to turn up after the break this week.

[bornadog]

Our mids well on top with Macrae 23 Hunter 21, Dunks 19.

Up on Cont poss, smashing them in stoppage clearances.

Just need the same in second half

[westbulldog]

Very good first half.
Hogan is a protested species.
If Melbourne make the 8 they will only be making up the numbers.
With anything approaching a full list we would be destroying them.

[DOG GOD]

It almost looked a couple of times that lynch was pitted against hogan. I hope that was a glitch.

Once again more inside 50’s. A big disappointed with some of Richards decisions...thought he had a few opportunities to kick a goal but chose a dodgy kick to bad options where he should’ve just ran straight at the goals and let go.

I wonder what Biggs disposal efficiency is?

[GVGjr]

Happy again with our first half effort. We are right in this game. Jack Macrae we've missed you

[G-Mo77]

It almost looked a couple of times that lynch was pitted against hogan. I hope that was a glitch.

Once again more inside 50’s. A big disappointed with some of Richards decisions...thought he had a few opportunities to kick a goal but chose a dodgy kick to bad options where he should’ve just ran straight at the goals and let go.

I wonder what Biggs disposal efficiency is?

For some reason it's happened a lot, not just with Lynch but other smalls as well. Not sure what is going on there.

[bornadog]

Is Cordy wasted in the Forward line

[westbulldog]

Melksham is just one of those guys no matter what jumper he's in he'll always be a complete knob. I'd have trouble supporting him in our jumper.
...must be related to Dwayne Russell

[comrade]

Enjoying Shaq’s work. Wish we’d kick to him every time.

[Testekill]

I wonder what Biggs disposal efficiency is?

Biggs is going at 75% from 13 touches. 0 clangers recorded

[bornadog]

Enjoying Shaq’s work. Wish we’d kick to him every time.
He is not a good contested mark but does lead well

[bulldogtragic]

Enjoying Shaq’s work. Wish we’d kick to him every time.

Thank god it wasn't an ACL. He looks the goods today. Imagine him with another genuine KPF foil up there.

[whythelongface]

Biggsy's best game all season so far.

Definitely. Seems to playing with some confidence which is good to see.

Liking Naughton and Schache games.

[Rocket Science]

Could we have asked for a more ready-made heir apparent to Dale Morris than Naughton?

Except, with all respect to Dale, Aaron's ceiling is higher.

[DOG GOD]

For some reason it's happened a lot, not just with Lynch but other smalls as well. Not sure what is going on there.

Yeah I agree, hunter when he gave that free kick. Wonder where Morris, Trengove, naughton and Adams are ;)

[G-Mo77]

...must be related to Dwayne Russell

He's been tolerable today. :)

[GVGjr]

Enjoying Shaq’s work. Wish we’d kick to him every time.

Same here, we have to utilize him a lot more

[SlimPickens]

Thank god it wasn't an ACL. He looks the goods today. Imagine him with another genuine KPF foil up there.

If only we had one!

[kruder]

We seem to be holding a shape forward of the ball and generally we have had someone to kick to and lowering our eyes. It’s rare you see a bulldog player staying back inside 50 most of the time Shaq is that player. A really nice half of footy by him.

One thing is for sure JJ is a half back flanker.

[Rocket Science]

For those not lumped with the Foxtel broadcast for this game we've got the pleasure of Dwayne Russell and Harry f*cking Taylor to savour.

Consider yourselves fortunate.

[Testekill]

Thank god it wasn't an ACL. He looks the goods today. Imagine him with another genuine KPF foil up there.

Can't believe that he didn't get a free there when Melbourne got two far softer frees for below the knees.

[bornadog]

For those not lumped with the Foxtel broadcast for this game we've got the pleasure of Dwayne Russell and Harry f*cking Taylor to savour.

Consider yourselves fortunate.
you should be here at the G :D

[Twodogs]

Really happy with our endevour but it looks like Melbourne are just a bit more composed than us. If the ball is bouncing g in their goalsquare it's going to be a goal in ours spthen it might be a goal but it will Be hard work.

[G-Mo77]

For those not lumped with the Foxtel broadcast for this game we've got the pleasure of Dwayne Russell and Harry f*cking Taylor to savour.

Consider yourselves fortunate.

It is just lovely viewing. :)

[bornadog]

Can't believe that he didn't get a free there when Melbourne got two far softer frees for below the knees.
And what bullshit frees. You just need to fall over a bloke on the ground and you get a free

[DOG GOD]

People talk about the Bont, but gee JMac is our most important cog. Has not missed a beat, and 99% of the time makes the right decisions. He has been missed and glad to see him back.

[bulldogtragic]

If only we had one!

Maybe we can get a King brother at the draft...

[comrade]

Roughy is insipid, watching him live.

[G-Mo77]

Here we go......

[ledge]

Oh ffs Gawn always beats us and Bevo still won't play a ruckman . Then they just spread and it's all over in minutes, replay of last game against them.

[G-Mo77]

This will get out to 40 befor ethe end of the quarter. Fortunately I'm heading out for tea soon so I'll block what I've seen in these first 8 minutes and go out thinking we did well. Night all.

[Testekill]

Roughead needs to go

[westbulldog]

3 goals courtesy of Gawn, Roughhead oob on the full.

[comrade]

Roughead needs to go

Imagine how Tom Campbell feels watching this?

[AndrewP6]

Sandy Roberts actually barracking for Melbourne. Disgraceful.

[ledge]

It's bad when the commentators are barracking for Melbourne.
Roberts just had an orgasm when the bulldog player got caught. He actually said "yes"

[AndrewP6]

It's bad when the commentators are barracking for Melbourne.
Roberts just had an orgasm when the bulldog player got caught. He actually said "yes"

It’s a disgrace. Unprofessionalism at its best. I’m Tweeting Fox about it. People pay money for these arse clowns to barrack.

[Testekill]

Imagine how Tom Campbell feels watching this?

Campbell is at least a competent ruck even if he's plodding and useless around the ground. Roughead not only can't ruck but he's also physically cooked so he's just as useless.

[comrade]

Any chance Bevo can actually show any ability to stop another sides momentum?

[ledge]

If Beveridge hasn't learnt to play a ruckman after the last two games against Melbourne I don't know what will

[comrade]

If Beveridge hasn't learnt to play a ruckman after the last two games against Melbourne I don't know what will

Roughead is a ruckman. Just not a good one.

[DOG GOD]

Roughead has given me no reason to not want to see him in our colours next year

[AndrewP6]

Not holding the man for Adams then?

[GVGjr]

Any chance Bevo can actually show any ability to stop another sides momentum?

It's been poor for most of the season. We've lost the ability to play tempo football and control it for a while

[ledge]

8 goals in 15 min ffs put an extra back when it gets to 4 goals. Does Luke just refuse to make changes when the opposition get a run on ?

[Grantysghost]

What's the record centre clearance differential in a quarter? It's been one way traffic jeepers.

[DOG GOD]

8 goals in 15 min ffs put an extra back when it gets to 4 goals. Does Luke just refuse to make changes when the opposition get a run on ?

I’d be putting a man back after 2 in a row against us haha

[GVGjr]

We just have to finish this game off a strong effort, this is not about age, experience or games played its about cracking in for the next 30 minutes.

[bornadog]

8 goals in 15 min ffs put an extra back ?
he did.
The issue is centre clearances.

[bulldogtragic]

Awful. Coach and players. Just awful.

[ledge]

When umpires start low fiving the opposition players you know somethings up.

[DOG GOD]

Tim English needs to come on very very quickly in 2019

[bulldogtragic]

When umpires start low fiving the opposition players you know somethings up.

If Tom Boyd actually played forward, and got umpiring like Hogan gets, he'd be on track for over 50 goals too.

[S Coast Simon]

Don’t like to harp on about the umpires but gees they are red hot on us tonight. No prior. A legitimate attempt at the ball gives Hogan more charity and Bradshaw pull his kick because he see Doggies down the line and it not deliberate then a little five with the umpire. Give me a break

[merantau]

Here's s tactic to consider: play a extra man or two in defence and just give away a deliberate free kick at centre bounces. I'm sure we would be able to defend that better than just allowing our opponents to waltz the ball out of the centre time after time. Tom Campbell - anyone?

[Grantysghost]

Don’t like to harp on about the umpires but gees they are red hot on us tonight. No prior. A legitimate attempt at the ball gives Hogan more charity and Bradshaw pull his kick because he see Doggies down the line and it not deliberate then a little five with the umpire. Give me a break

If as the AFL says it's insufficient intent to keep the ball in, then I can't see how that's not paid. The high five afterwards was incredibly unprofessional.

[Sedat]

If as the AFL says it's insufficient intent to keep the ball in, then I can't see how that's not paid. The high five afterwards was incredibly unprofessional.
Just get rid of the grey area and make last handball/kick out of bounds a free to the opposition. I want black and white rules - interpretation is for street theatre not umpiring.

[chef]

Are we just not fit enough to run our games?

[DOG GOD]

Are we just not fit enough to run our games?

I was thinking the same thing...doesn’t seem to be..or we just drop our heads when the game looks lost.

[Remi Moses]

Jordan Roughead was completely embarrassed this evening

[DOG GOD]

Jordan Roughead was completely embarrassed this evening

He played like he won’t be there next year..a going thru the motions effort.

[Sedat]

Probably the worst 12 minutes of footy we've played all year, and there's some strong competition. Pretty good apart from that but I'm afraid we aren't playing AFLX.

Be nice when we can consistently run out a full game.

[merantau]

Are we just not fit enough to run our games?

I am sure that is part of our problem. Our second halves have been so poor. But there are plenty of other issues. A couple of years back I saw Tom Campbell and Tom Boyd blanket Max Gawn when he had been in top form. Why wasn't Campbell selected?
At times we seemed to have no game plan at all when coming out of defence. We are static to the max. We take a mark down back and spend the next 5-10 seconds looking for someone to kick to. There isn't anyone so we kick it to a contest and turn it over!
Our field kicking is just awful. In the 2nd half we rarely kicked to our advantage today. But I don't just blame the kicker. Often I see the receiver failing to lead up to the kicker thus making an uncontested possession more of a certainty.
Allowing a team to kick 8 goals in 15 minutes is a new nadir for us this year. I don't think we can get any worse so I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.

[Eastdog]

Dissapointing in the end but there are a lot of positives to take out. Very good 1st half. Schache is going to be a good player up forward. JJ, Wallis, Macrae, Dunkley, Hunter very good. Dale Morris as solid as ever. Brad Lynch made a few mistakes but has some good moments.

2nd half poor but not as terrible as the 2nd half last week I reckon.

A dissapointing turnout from our supporters but the timeslots and the fact we aren't doing great probably played a role.

Now onto next week against the Eagles over in Perth.

[Eastdog]

Probably the worst 12 minutes of footy we've played all year, and there's some strong competition. Pretty good apart from that but I'm afraid we aren't playing AFLX.

Be nice when we can consistently run out a full game.

That is where it was lost. Really good 1st half again.

[The bulldog tragician]

For the very few of us there, I can’t inagine even Ballarat will be colder, but we will soon find out.

My observations:
Hunter, not always a fan favourite, keeps growing as a player. You could hear his voice too. In a miserable year, we’ve probably forgotten his consistency. Works very hard to get back and help the defence.

Ed looks tired, struggled to get involved, unusually for him chose a couple of poor options.

Jack Macrae is a complete star.

Roughie - it is sad.

Schache is a great acquisition. Watch out for him next year. A natural forward.

I think the Q3 efforts are about lack of depth in the midfield, esp when the opposition mids get an armchair ride from their ruck. Our ‘rucks don’t matter’ approach keeps killing us. I’m praying Tim English comes on, quickly.

Melbourne supporters could whinge for England. Melbourne players have a cockiness that they haven’t deserved. They are front runners and unfortunately we gave them that opportunity to do what they do best.

Did I mention it was COLD?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Missed the game, was at a Buck's party. Caught score at half time and tgen again during the 3rd and then late in 4th.
Glad I missed it.

[mjp]

So. Why so much love and sentiment for clay smith whilst Roughy just cops the pineapple?

He looks like he isn’t trying...I understand - but shouldn’t we just acknowledge what we see in front of us? He is cooked (or needs a ‘real break’ for a few months to get himself right) and it is because of being heavily raced and copping numerous injuries playing footy for our club. I’m not saying we shouldn’t appreciate smith - we should - just that knee recons are not the only injury in the world and sometimes fighting through so called niggles and still taking the field has an huge long term impact.

[Sedat]

So. Why so much love and sentiment for clay smith whilst Roughy just cops the pineapple?

He looks like he isn’t trying...I understand - but shouldn’t we just acknowledge what we see in front of us? He is cooked (or needs a ‘real break’ for a few months to get himself right) and it is because of being heavily raced and copping numerous injuries playing footy for our club. I’m not saying we shouldn’t appreciate smith - we should - just that knee recons are not the only injury in the world and sometimes fighting through so called niggles and still taking the field has an huge long term impact.
Roughy will always be a premiership hero. In terms of his future as a top tier ruckman though, I worry for him. I certainly don't wish him ill will for his form drop-off, but from a purely objective list management perspective he is simily not playing himself into a new contract at the kennel. By contrast Wally, who also had the heat put on him by the coach, has been fantastic in his application and endeavour to adapt to an unfamiliar role.

[Testekill]

Roughy just doesn't have a body that can cope with the physicality of footy. He's a premiership hero and seems like a cracking bloke but his time is almost up as a footballer. I assume that he's planning on moving into coaching since he was heavily involved in our AFLW side so I think that's the best thing for him.

[bornadog]

Are we just not fit enough to run our games?

In the third quarter the most inexperienced players didn't touch the ball.

[bornadog]

Roughy will always be a premiership hero. In terms of his future as a top tier ruckman though, I worry for him. I certainly don't wish him ill will for his form drop-off, but from a purely objective list management perspective he is simily not playing himself into a new contract at the kennel. By contrast Wally, who also had the heat put on him by the coach, has been fantastic in his application and endeavour to adapt to an unfamiliar role.

In the third quarter when Melbourne won three centre clearances in a row through great tap work, Roughy didn't even bother jumping for the tap out. It was disgraceful. For god sakes, yeah, your opponent is tall, but at least try and run into him, do something.

The other area of his game, ie around the ground, he was always under the bal, he couldn't judge the flight. Very frustrating to watch him. As for the shot at goal, woeful to say the list.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

I am sure that is part of our problem. Our second halves have been so poor. But there are plenty of other issues. A couple of years back I saw Tom Campbell and Tom Boyd blanket Max Gawn when he had been in top form. Why wasn't Campbell selected?
At times we seemed to have no game plan at all when coming out of defence. We are static to the max. We take a mark down back and spend the next 5-10 seconds looking for someone to kick to. There isn't anyone so we kick it to a contest and turn it over!
Our field kicking is just awful. In the 2nd half we rarely kicked to our advantage today. But I don't just blame the kicker. Often I see the receiver failing to lead up to the kicker thus making an uncontested possession more of a certainty.
Allowing a team to kick 8 goals in 15 minutes is a new nadir for us this year. I don't think we can get any worse so I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.
Both Roughead and Campbell had clearly been left in the VFL for far to long with Roughy running out of steam after half time against the best ruck man in the League in Gawn. Campbell is our best tap ruck man and should be selected against WCE. Against the tall high marking Melbourne we simply played in to their hands by our inability to hit players on the chest due to shoddy disposal as you have described. We need however to look at the few positives to come out of the game. Hunter was terrific in his best game for the year. Macrae and McLean continue to enjoy fine seasons. Wallis again showed by his determination with 3 goals that his services are still required. The duel between Dunkley and Oliver was a highlight. A great effort by Dunkley to finish with 30 disposals against the talented Oliver who was again very good and ranks alongside Gawn as the Dees two best players. A word of praise also for Naughton who continues to impress.
Schache again showed promise and maybe just the key forward that we have been so desperate to find for a long time.

[Eastdog]

In the third quarter when Melbourne won three centre clearances in a row through great tap work, Roughy didn't even bother jumping for the tap out. It was disgraceful. For god sakes, yeah, your opponent is tall, but at least try and run into him, do something.

The other area of his game, ie around the ground, he was always under the bal, he couldn't judge the flight. Very frustrating to watch him. As for the shot at goal, woeful to say the list.

We desperately need a quality ruck who will win the hitouts putting it to our advantage and try and get it to Schache more often up forward. Tom Boyd when he comes back needs to play forward - that's why we got him not to play him mostly in the ruck. We were utterly destroyed in the 3rd quarter in this area. We really just need to consistently play 4 quarters. At the half time break will were doing quite good. In the first quarter we may have just been on top of them.

[macca]

We need to get a jarrod witts or ben McEvoy type player who were behind their clubs number. 1 Ruck at the time
Witts was going nowhere because bucks was trying to turn him into a foward ruck. He had 29 hitouts same as bellchamber yesterday vs essendon . Witts not dominate but at least provides a contest .
McEvoy was cunning Recuriting by hawks as he was behind longer and hickey at the time . McEvoy is probably ahead of both of them , and is a way better mark than both. It’s easy talk in hindsight but hawks saw the GAP if ceglar went down.

It’s crazy to think that mckernan is having a half decent season atm . Not a pure duck but provides contest and chopout

[Hot_Doggies]

We desperately need a quality ruck who will win the hitouts putting it to our advantage and try and get it to Schache more often up forward. Tom Boyd when he comes back needs to play forward - that's why we got him not to play him mostly in the ruck. We were utterly destroyed in the 3rd quarter in this area. We really just need to consistently play 4 quarters. At the half time break will were doing quite good. In the first quarter we may have just been on top of them.

We have the best young ruck on the list-English. I wouldnt be spending any $$$ on a ruck.

Boyd cant play forward because he cant mark. His body and hand position in marking contests is as bad as you will see.

[Eastdog]

We have the best young ruck on the list-English. I wouldnt be spending any $$$ on a ruck.

Boyd cant play forward because he cant mark. His body and hand position in marking contests is as bad as you will see.

Yeah in terms of the ruck I forget English another who has shown a lot this season and will hopefully come good in the future. What role then does Tom Boyd play? He took some excellent marks in the grand final Boydy.

[bornadog]

Biggs didn't touch the ball in the 3rd quarter. Bevo threw him back as a spare after the first three onslaught by melbourne, but he was nil value. Not sure what has happened to him over the past two years.

[azabob]

Biggs didn't touch the ball in the 3rd quarter. Bevo threw him back as a spare after the first three onslaught by melbourne, but he was nil value. Not sure what has happened to him over the past two years.

Playing for his career why on earth would you wear long sleeves twice in a row?

[DOG GOD]

Biggs didn't touch the ball in the 3rd quarter. Bevo threw him back as a spare after the first three onslaught by melbourne, but he was nil value. Not sure what has happened to him over the past two years.

I don’t rate him and I certainly don’t rate his disposal. His field kicking and goal kicking is up there with Dahl, and with lynch, smith, Williams, Richards, wood etc, we don’t need him. He’s also rumoured to be one of the party boys and I want that cancer cut out of our team immediately.