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Eastdog
21-07-2018, 12:32 PM
Predictions:
- Margin
- First Goal
- Best On Ground

Margin: Bulldogs by 1 point

First Goal: Lachie Hunter

Best On Ground: Toby McLean

Go Bulldogs!!

DOG GOD
21-07-2018, 12:54 PM
Eagles by 78 pts (Kennedy/darling/lecras)
1st goal- gowers
Bog - McLean

bornadog
21-07-2018, 01:20 PM
First Goal: Richards

BOG: Maclean

The Adelaide Connection
21-07-2018, 01:39 PM
The forecast is for thunderstorms all weekend apparently. Sucks the wind out of my “can’t wait to see Boyd and Schache forward together” sails.

Draw (can’t bring myself to say WC)
First Goal: Gowers
BOG: Hunter as captain in #100

Rocket Science
21-07-2018, 01:56 PM
Some of our most dispiriting latter-day losses have been all the way over there, the kind where the home team runs steadily more amok to the strains of a loud, baying crowd and things turn south so freely we seem like we've accidentally wandered into a place we shouldn't have.

Yeah, another one of those.

Them by 71, Kennedy to kick 8, Hurn to do as he pleases.

bornadog
21-07-2018, 02:18 PM
Some of our most dispiriting latter-day losses have been all the way over there, the kind where the home team runs steadily more amok to the strains of a loud, baying crowd and things turn south so freely we seem like we've accidentally wandered into a place we shouldn't have.

Yeah, another one of those.

Them by 71, Kennedy to kick 8, Hurn to do as he pleases.

We have won one of the last 11 in the West, and that was the 2016 final.

Twodogs
21-07-2018, 07:36 PM
Us by 17
First goal Gowers
Best on ground Boyd.

Bulldog4life
21-07-2018, 07:39 PM
The Dishlickers by 5 points
First goal Gowers
Best on ground Hunter.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 07:45 AM
This is likely to not be pretty...but in the interest of one-eyed blind optimism..
Dogs by 1 point
First goal: Wallis
BOG: Mclean

Bulldog Joe
22-07-2018, 11:35 AM
I have come across to attend the game and the rain has abated.

Forecast is for more rain around 1.00 pm here but then fine for the remainder.

Expecting a big result for West Coast, but Jack Macrae as BOG.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 01:56 PM
I have come across to attend the game and the rain has abated.

Forecast is for more rain around 1.00 pm here but then fine for the remainder.

Expecting a big result for West Coast, but Jack Macrae as BOG.

Dedication BJ, hopefulluy we are at least competitive, but I fear the worst.

Go_Dogs
22-07-2018, 02:00 PM
Dogs by 38.

BOG Macrae

First goal Teddy Richards

Bulldog Joe
22-07-2018, 02:03 PM
Dedication BJ, hopefulluy we are at least competitive, but I fear the worst.
I'm just hoping we can score regularly. Like in every quarter.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 02:50 PM
Doggies jumper and scarf on at home ready to go. Hoping we put in a good performance today. Probably worked out well for me we are playing interstate this week as I have a bit of a cold but recovering pretty well now.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 03:23 PM
Great start! Wallis and Dahl with the first 2 goals.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 03:26 PM
Trengove on Kennedy.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 03:27 PM
Great start, could've been even better but for a putrid turnover in the middle by Schache, and then poor tackle on Cripps by Dunkley. And now Honeychurch fumbling...now scores even.

Happy Days
22-07-2018, 03:32 PM
I'm so sick of watching Honeychurch play.

Need to do something about Gaff.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 03:33 PM
HC just can't help himself. I really want him to do well, but he just can't help himself.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 03:37 PM
Boy, they are already able to transition so easily from end to end. This is going to be a belting.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 03:37 PM
This is going to be a bloodbath.

All they have to do is wait for the turnover, and position themselves over the back of our slow to react younger players.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 03:40 PM
Daniel is pissing the ball away. It's becoming a bit of a habit.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 03:41 PM
We are witches hats without the ball.

GVGjr
22-07-2018, 03:42 PM
Great start! Wallis and Dahl with the first 2 goals.

Was that the first or second goal of the season for Dahlhaus?

AndrewP6
22-07-2018, 03:43 PM
Is there any team more adept at losing one on 3 contests than us?

kruder
22-07-2018, 03:43 PM
Ahh Roughead the permanent forward this is going to fun.

chef
22-07-2018, 03:45 PM
This is going to be a big old flogging.

bulldogsthru&thru
22-07-2018, 03:46 PM
So we play Schache, Boyd and Roughead and decide Rough will be the 2nd forward. Awesome

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 03:50 PM
Give up a shot on the siren. Perfectly describes our season.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 03:51 PM
21 seconds to go, on our forward flank and Taylor states "perhaps the Bulldogs the only team capable from here".........

And, on cue, of course we bloody are - the only team capable of repeatedly giving up easy late goals. I am so sick of this bloody team not setting up the ground properly in the final minutes of quarters.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 03:51 PM
You could put money on us finding a way to give up a goal inside the last 20 seconds, from a starting position of a boundary throw in around our half forward flank.

ledge
22-07-2018, 03:52 PM
It's going to be a smashing , they have the wind in the next qtr , they are just doing what they like running in waves while we just play like we don't have a plan at all.

Grantysghost
22-07-2018, 03:52 PM
Has the hallmarks of the blowout to 80 points and then the Eagles take the foot off the gas and we junktime it back to 55.

bulldogsthru&thru
22-07-2018, 03:52 PM
21 seconds to go, on our forward flank and Taylor states "perhaps the Bulldogs the only team capable of getting one from here".........

And, on cue, of course we bloody are. I am so sick of this bloody team not setting up the ground properly in the final minutes of quarters.
It’s flat out pathetic. I can take losses but when you see zero effort, no accountability and just, dare I say, a lack of any coaching or any general direction it just isn’t good enough. This is pathetic

ledge
22-07-2018, 03:53 PM
Play in WA it's a smashing, percentage boosting club for Freo and west coast.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 03:53 PM
Caleb Daniel for mine has gone from automatic best 22, to tradeable.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 03:53 PM
It’s flat out pathetic. I can take losses but when you see zero effort, no accountability and just, dare I say, a lack of any coaching or any general direction it just isn’t good enough. This is pathetic

100% agree. The question to all of those points are why?

bornadog
22-07-2018, 03:54 PM
Macrae being shut out of the game with 3 disposals. Backline is pathetic, and dare I say Morris is shot

kruder
22-07-2018, 03:54 PM
The forward press doesn't suit an unaccountable young side, particularly on a big ground. Its time Bevo put away his driver and played a 3 wood off the tee.

kruder
22-07-2018, 03:55 PM
Caleb Daniel for mine has gone from automatic best 22, to tradeable.

Yeah we need more from him. He was poor in the contest twice late with let them out.

Jeanette54
22-07-2018, 03:55 PM
Perhaps, for today, we should give the zone defense the flick, and go man on man. It seems that the Eagles are just slicing through our zone defense.

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 03:55 PM
We would have to have one of the slowest fwd lines in the AFL. With all the fumbling in general, you’d think it was pouring with rain.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 03:57 PM
Brain fade, poor Ed. Now for an easy goal... Yep.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 03:58 PM
I don't care how old you are, you can't run 25 *!*!*!*!ing metres without bouncing the ball!

It's basic footy.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 03:58 PM
We are looking like will get done by 100 if we don't get something going.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 03:58 PM
Well that will take whatever air was in the sails out...
Ed forgets to bounce the ball.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 03:59 PM
Why did Hunter take advantage while needing to kick on his right foot, which he doesn't do...

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:01 PM
What has happened since October 1, 2016?

jeemak
22-07-2018, 04:01 PM
Lynch doesn't understand the holding the ball rule, I am convinced of it.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:01 PM
Just keep giving the ball to a teammate in a worse spot. Is that our new creed?

jeemak
22-07-2018, 04:01 PM
Why did Hunter take advantage while needing to kick on his right foot, which he doesn't do...

It was an ok decision, he should have hit the short up instead of going long.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:01 PM
Lynch doesn't understand the holding the ball rule, I am convinced of it.

I don't think that's on him. Shouldn't have received/been given it.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:01 PM
Whilst Lynch's instinct to take play on is admirable, he has to quickly come to grips with when its a good idea, and when not.

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:02 PM
It must be a conditioning into our players....1st option...HANDBALL

lemmon
22-07-2018, 04:02 PM
Seems like the instruction has been to run and carry at every opportunity and look for the overlap...it ain't working.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:03 PM
Seems like the instruction has been to run and carry at every opportunity and look for the overlap...it ain't working.

... And if it ain't working, just keep doing it anyway.

lemmon
22-07-2018, 04:04 PM
Lovely little right foot kick from Macrae. Haven't seen that before

dukedog
22-07-2018, 04:04 PM
If ya gonna go down by 20 goals. Make sure you f#$@n make a mess of some of their men. Give the crowd something to actually boo about other than just ridiculous holding the ball calls.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:05 PM
Schache gets a much needed goal. Good signs for Josh the last few weeks.

bulldogsthru&thru
22-07-2018, 04:05 PM
Wow 4 frees in that last play and none called

jeemak
22-07-2018, 04:06 PM
How did neither Boyd nor Schache get a free kick then, and McGovern not give away a deliberate out of bounds?

He wasn't even going to be paid a free prior to taking that mark when he clearly got pushed in the back and held.

It's hard enough as it is.

bulldogsthru&thru
22-07-2018, 04:07 PM
For gods sake what sort of coaching is going on when week after week we are out of position when the opposition goes forward? That last one wasn’t even from a turnover!

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:11 PM
Ah Honeychurch. Helping us to pick 5 or better, doing the team things for 2019.

AndrewP6
22-07-2018, 04:12 PM
This is just sad.

The Doctor
22-07-2018, 04:13 PM
It might help Honeychurch if he aims to kick out on the full. He might score.

josie
22-07-2018, 04:14 PM
Playing Honey and Rough is like playing with 2 less. I have never had less confidence in a player kicking for goal or to a team mate than Honey. He has had a long time to prove the doubters wrong. Enough already.

dukedog
22-07-2018, 04:16 PM
You don't get frees for over there without it being blatent

jeemak
22-07-2018, 04:16 PM
I can't wait for Gowers to grow old and become a better set shot.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:18 PM
R Smith gets it then turns it over :mad:

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:18 PM
I just don't see it with Roarke Smith...

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:18 PM
I can't wait for Gowers to grow old and become a better set shot.

Should have done better there Billy. Not a difficult set shot.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:19 PM
Roarke Smith turns it over at least 50% of the time at least.

How he and Honey get played week in and out is beyond me.

The Bulldogs Bite
22-07-2018, 04:20 PM
Week after week playing HC and Smith is beyond laughable.

Rubbish from the MC.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:20 PM
I can't wait for Gowers to grow old and become a better set shot.

He's just unlucky. Like injuries are just unlucky. And since winning the flag, most things we've done have just been unlucky.

Unlucky.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:21 PM
We need to get players who don't turn it over.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:21 PM
So Honeychurch out bodied his defender, and then forgot to go for the mark... Really?

bulldogsthru&thru
22-07-2018, 04:21 PM
We’ve got Honeychurch at full forward. I’m sorry but the coaches including Bevo need a review. Can’t hang our hat on 2016 forever

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:22 PM
Don’t worry about a clean out in players....we seriously need an enema of our MC

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:22 PM
Awful kick Roughy!

lemmon
22-07-2018, 04:22 PM
Week after week playing HC and Smith is beyond laughable.

Rubbish from the MC.

We talk about giving players an uninterrupted spell of games to see whether they can cut it - eg. what was done with Ayce a few years back. If this is that with Roarke and Honeychurch, I can live with it.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:23 PM
We’ve got Honeychurch at full forward. I’m sorry but the coaches including Bevo need a review. Can’t hang our hat on 2016 forever

But have we got anyone whose played at full/CH forward before, like Boyd, Schache, Roughy, Trengove or Cordy?

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:23 PM
I'm sure the goalkicking will just take care of itself...nothing to see here...

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:24 PM
We need to get players who don't turn it over.

Can we delist or trade out 35 players ?

Twodogs
22-07-2018, 04:26 PM
How on earth did we win a premiership with 15 players that can't kick?

The Doctor
22-07-2018, 04:26 PM
It might help Honeychurch if he aims to kick out on the full. He might score.

also applies to Gowers and Roughead. Probably all of them

bornadog
22-07-2018, 04:27 PM
Boys v Men, we aren't good enough.

Bullies
22-07-2018, 04:27 PM
Awful kick Roughy!
Is he playing

kruder
22-07-2018, 04:28 PM
Long overdue but surely we give Young and Greene a month of footy.

Bullies
22-07-2018, 04:29 PM
How on earth did we win a premiership with 15 players that can't kick? At least Trengove ticked all the boxes when we decided to recruit him as he can't kick. The positive is it was only a 3 year deal.

The Underdog
22-07-2018, 04:29 PM
We’ve got Honeychurch at full forward. I’m sorry but the coaches including Bevo need a review. Can’t hang our hat on 2016 forever

I’m sure that was a momentary thing. We’ve had a tall out of the square through most of the match.
I’m more concerned with our lack of ability to use the ball going forward and our complete inability to defend off of a turnover or even a stoppage. It’s been consistent all year that when the opposition spread from a contest we look like we’re completely lost.

chef
22-07-2018, 04:29 PM
Pick 2 coming up. Shocking we've gone from premiers to 2nd worst team in the league in 2 seasons.

Bulldog4life
22-07-2018, 04:29 PM
I don't care how old you are, you can't run 25 *!*!*!*!ing metres without bouncing the ball!

It's basic footy.

McKenzie did the same in the first quarter and got away with it. Home ground advantage.

dukedog
22-07-2018, 04:30 PM
I'm sure the goalkicking will just take care of itself...nothing to see here...

I was gonna say the same thing. Our kicking is the worst in the league. I don't need to see the stats. I can't even believe we won flag dishing this shit up. I know it's an ask to win in Perth. But we don't even get a highlights reel to look at from the game. Just rushed shit goals. Honey has to go. Roughead gone. Smith I don't mind keeping as a rookie coz his last name will remind me of clay and bubba. Has Daniel peaked? Or just struggling? He's not gonna be worth anything at the table so hopefully he comes good. We need Dale and Williams back in the side. They straighten us up.

Twodogs
22-07-2018, 04:32 PM
McKenzie did the same in the first quarter and got away with it. Home ground advantage.

He also didn't run straight past the umpire.

Bulldog4life
22-07-2018, 04:32 PM
He's just unlucky. Like injuries are just unlucky. And since winning the flag, most things we've done have just been unlucky.

Unlucky.

Less than 2 years ago.

GVGjr
22-07-2018, 04:33 PM
Given our position and the challenges we have I'm looking mainly to two things most games, our level of intensity and effort and how our younger players are performing.
Sadly today isn't really giving much of either but I'm looking for small wins

I'm still buoyed by the potential of Schache, Richards, Naughton, Gowers and Lynch and even getting games into the likes of Adams, McLean, Dunkley and Boyd.

If we can find a way to be more competitive in the 2nd half it will keep me interested.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 04:35 PM
He's just unlucky. Like injuries are just unlucky. And since winning the flag, most things we've done have just been unlucky.

Unlucky.

Say what you want about injuries and you can laugh and joke about it, but do you think Libba, Bont, Wood, Williams, Suckling, Picken would make a difference today?

The Bulldogs Bite
22-07-2018, 04:35 PM
If the MC can’t see Smith and HC are borderline WRFL standard we have bigger issues than I thought

Bulldog4life
22-07-2018, 04:35 PM
Schache 5 marks Boyd zilch

bornadog
22-07-2018, 04:36 PM
Given our position and the challenges we have I'm looking mainly to two things most games, our level of intensity and effort and how our younger players are performing.
Sadly today isn't really giving much of either but I'm looking for small wins

I'm still buoyed by the potential of Schache, Richards, Naughton, Gowers and Lynch and even getting games into the likes of Adams, McLean, Dunkley and Boyd.

If we can find a way to be more competitive in the 2nd half it will keep me interested.

I agree, but do you think as the season has gone on, these young players are starting to drop off?

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 04:37 PM
Less than 2 years ago.

39 games. we've been lucky to win 16 games since then over 39 games. Richmond have won 13 games since their flag a year later from 17 games. Highlights the stark fall from grace we've had, compared to what an obviously more professional club can do after a flag. The time has come to flag credits to run out, and everyone judged on what we've done in the last two years and what they can contribute going ahead.

Bullies
22-07-2018, 04:37 PM
I was gonna say the same thing. Our kicking is the worst in the league. I don't need to see the stats. I can't even believe we won flag dishing this shit up. I know it's an ask to win in Perth. But we don't even get a highlights reel to look at from the game. Just rushed shit goals. Honey has to go. Roughead gone. Smith I don't mind keeping as a rookie coz his last name will remind me of clay and bubba. Has Daniel peaked? Or just struggling? He's not gonna be worth anything at the table so hopefully he comes good. We need Dale and Williams back in the side. They straighten us up. There are no positives to come out of this. If we think that because we are young and we get a few players back next year that it will turn around we are kidding ourselves. We have so many guys who have peaked or are just no good. Why the coaches can't see what the supporters do with Smith, HC and Roughy and yet continue to play them. We are wasting games on them. They are not going to all of a sudden turn into good footballers.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 04:38 PM
If the MC can’t see Smith and HC are borderline WRFL standard we have bigger issues than I thought

Greene must get a game next week

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:40 PM
MC needs to be shown the door, except Bevo, who needs someone like a Ratten to come in an help strategies...our so called game plan is laughable and seem to be playing favourites....this needs a massive overhaul, and hopefully the end of year review will highlight this.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:40 PM
Greene must get a game next week

Need to see what he can do at AFL level. The time has come.

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:42 PM
Greene must get a game next week

Unless they’ve already decided to delist him.

GVGjr
22-07-2018, 04:45 PM
I agree, but do you think as the season has gone on, these young players are starting to drop off?

They sure have but they are hopefully gaining a very unhealthy level of appetite for being thumped in games.
I remember back a few years ago when Liberatore and Wallis came back early from their end of season break to get a few extra strength sessions in because they weren't going to allow Lenny Hayes to bully them again and push them into the ground.

Perhaps this might be a spur for some of the players to do a bit more. A good coach can niggle the guys in a productive way despite our performances. If enough of them step forward, others will follow. We just need some of them to show some leadership.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:49 PM
Mclean and JJ, just let Shuey get through the traffic.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:50 PM
Well done Honeychurch.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:51 PM
The fumbliness of so many today.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:52 PM
Cordy....you numbnuts

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:52 PM
I’m sorry, but our players have the mindset of being in Vegas on their end of season trip.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:53 PM
Take Rorake Smith off!

The Bulldogs Bite
22-07-2018, 04:54 PM
I don’t think we’d beat Carlton right now

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 04:55 PM
I don’t think we’d beat Carlton right now
Whoever wins that game will be by under a kick

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:55 PM
As lacking in awareness as Roarke was there, the pass to him just setvhim up.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:55 PM
I don’t think we’d beat Carlton right now

You would think we would win that but who knows.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 04:57 PM
Way too easy Dogs! Way to easy!

jeemak
22-07-2018, 04:57 PM
Daniel, once again, pissing a long ball away like it doesn't matter.

whythelongface
22-07-2018, 04:58 PM
Just bomb it long into the forward line. Great tactic

The Bulldogs Bite
22-07-2018, 04:59 PM
Daniel, once again, pissing a long ball away like it doesn't matter.

I’d look to trade him if we can get value

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 04:59 PM
What the heck was Dunkley doing?
They're just phoning it in now. No one is showing any application or care.
This is going to be a 80 point belting unless guys start showing some heart.

Grantysghost
22-07-2018, 05:00 PM
Say what you want about injuries and you can laugh and joke about it, but do you think Libba, Bont, Wood, Williams, Suckling, Picken would make a difference today?

15 WCE players today are aged 26 or older, only 3 for the WBD
Difference of 12 is equal biggest for a V/@AFL game
2014 R17 FREM v GWS
2010 R22 GEEL v WCE
1909 R10 CARL v UNI

Via @sirswampthing on Twitter.

dukedog
22-07-2018, 05:00 PM
Did I just see the umpire try to educate an eagles play about not encroaching on the mark instead of paying a penalty?

GVGjr
22-07-2018, 05:00 PM
Daniel, once again, pissing a long ball away like it doesn't matter.

He was aways a smart decision maker and yet he has been poor most of this year. I'm not sure why this has happened.

kruder
22-07-2018, 05:02 PM
He was aways a smart decision maker and yet he has been poor most of this year. I'm not sure why this has happened.

Pretty simple when your mind isn't on the job.....

whythelongface
22-07-2018, 05:07 PM
I just don’t understand our forward structure. Where is Roughy playing when Boyd is rucking?

dukedog
22-07-2018, 05:09 PM
I just don’t understand our forward structure. Where is Roughy playing when Boyd is rucking?

Hopefully at Geelong next year for a second rounder

whythelongface
22-07-2018, 05:11 PM
Shannon Hurn is a thug

dukedog
22-07-2018, 05:12 PM
Shannon Hurn is a thug

I don't really think he could have done alot but brace.
But I second he a thug also.

whythelongface
22-07-2018, 05:13 PM
I don't really think he could have done alot but brace.

Looking at it again probably not but he is still a thug regardless

josie
22-07-2018, 05:14 PM
Bravo Bevo in stopping the bleeding. Ugly I know but at least it stops a mega blowout. Hope Honey is ok.

kruder
22-07-2018, 05:15 PM
Hopefully at Geelong next year for a second rounder

Bartell has been positive on Roughead. Lock him in at the cats.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 05:15 PM
What he could have done was move towards the area the ball was travelling to rather than back and left to ensure he made contact with HC.

Perhaps not malicious, but definitely intentional.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 05:15 PM
Shannon Hurn is a thug

I'm not sure if the Honeychurch bump is evidence of that. He didn't run 5hrough him. He stopped and he had Honeychurch taken possession, which he should have done, Hurn would have been in position to effect a tackle. Honey flubs it and has to stick his head down over the ball.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 05:19 PM
Bravo Bevo in stopping the bleeding. Ugly I know but at least it stops a mega blowout. Hope Honey is ok.

Still not doing enough damage on the scoreboard but yes stopped the score ticking for them.

Happy Days
22-07-2018, 05:19 PM
This is shocking viewing but at least it's been an admirable and disciplined defensive effort - something we haven't shown the last few weeks.

dukedog
22-07-2018, 05:20 PM
I'm not sure if the Honeychurch bump is evidence of that. He didn't run 5hrough him. He stopped and he had Honeychurch taken possession, which he should have done, Hurn would have been in position to effect a tackle. Honey flubs it and has to stick his head down over the ball.

Absolutely. I was only playing around.... He will go for it though. He opted to bump. That will be the definition. High contact. He will get 2 weeks. Unlucky but he chose to pump...just like taking opposition legs out. Going for the ball but the rule over rides it.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 05:21 PM
I just don’t understand our forward structure. Where is Roughy playing when Boyd is rucking?

The two of them are breaking even in the hitouts with WC today, but both not doing enough around the ground.

Nuggety Back Pocket
22-07-2018, 05:21 PM
There are no positives to come out of this. If we think that because we are young and we get a few players back next year that it will turn around we are kidding ourselves. We have so many guys who have peaked or are just no good. Why the coaches can't see what the supporters do with Smith, HC and Roughy and yet continue to play them. We are wasting games on them. They are not going to all of a sudden turn into good footballers.
Surprised you didn’t include Boyd as well as Roughy. Boyd has been a huge disappointment for the season. Time to play English for the rest of the year.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 05:23 PM
Surprised you didn’t include Boyd as well as Roughy. Boyd has been a huge disappointment for the season. Time to play English for the rest of the year.

English 52 hitouts yesterday. Agree Boyd has been poor

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 05:27 PM
We just have lost any semblance of football intelligence.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 05:31 PM
It's just poo

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 05:32 PM
JJ...
We seem to find new ways to embarrass ourselves.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 05:33 PM
JJ...
We seem to find new ways to embarrass ourselves.

Sums up our year.

josie
22-07-2018, 05:35 PM
Would like Bartel as assistant coach.....does not just follow the flock, smart footballer and smart analysis.

dukedog
22-07-2018, 05:36 PM
We definately look a bottom 2 side. I think we have got worse as the year has gone on.

Eastdog
22-07-2018, 05:36 PM
Shocking defending Dogs :mad:

dukedog
22-07-2018, 05:37 PM
Would like Bartel as assistant coach.....does not just follow the flock, smart footballer and smart analysis.

I like this.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 05:37 PM
Adams is not the sharpest tool in the shed. For a guy with his physique, he often misses opportunities to employ it to advantage because of poor decisions, which end up removing him from the contest.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
22-07-2018, 05:40 PM
I have no idea how we are not 10 goals or more down right now. We've been ripe for the picking. West Coast just have failed to really take the spoils.

azabob
22-07-2018, 05:42 PM
Would like Bartel as assistant coach.....does not just follow the flock, smart footballer and smart analysis.

Bartel is the best in the business. Said it many times on here. My understanding is he wants to get into list management etc. not coaching

DOG GOD
22-07-2018, 05:49 PM
We have about 15 defenders in our team and our defence is a shambles lol

EasternWest
22-07-2018, 05:50 PM
I have no idea how we are not 10 goals or more down right now. We've been ripe for the picking. West Coast just have failed to really take the spoils.

They've been pretty underwhelming. They're obviously just playing down to us, because if they took us remotely seriously they'd be demolishing us.

The Underdog
22-07-2018, 05:51 PM
Adams is not the sharpest tool in the shed. For a guy with his physique, he often misses opportunities to employ it to advantage because of poor decisions, which end up removing him from the contest.

For all of the complaints about Trengove, he’s been a mile ahead of Adams today. Grizz has had an absolute shocker

Grantysghost
22-07-2018, 05:51 PM
Not sure going super defensive and still losing by ten goals is a great strategy. They certainly tried hard today, but basically forfeited any chance of winning (however remote).

ReLoad
22-07-2018, 06:00 PM
Well I for one am glad I flew to Perth........

The bulldog tragician
22-07-2018, 06:05 PM
Our spirit is broken at present. I just want 2018 season to end and for a major, thoughtful, comprehensive look at what has gone wrong. I know we are fielding a very young team and injuries have been cruel but the fact that the remnants of our premiership team are playing so poorly is really troubling.

merantau
22-07-2018, 06:10 PM
Sounds so totally depressing. I didn't see any of the game thankfully. Did anyone see a glimmer of hope anywhere? Seems we weren't completely crushed because WC couldn't be bothered! I hope that's not true and that we showed some fight in the 2nd half.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 06:12 PM
For all of the complaints about Trengove, he’s been a mile ahead of Adams today. Grizz has had an absolute shocker

Adams has been poor the last two weeks.

bulldogtragic
22-07-2018, 06:14 PM
Sounds so totally depressing. I didn't see any of the game thankfully. Did anyone see a glimmer of hope anywhere? Seems we weren't completely crushed because WC couldn't be bothered! I hope that's not true and that we showed some fight in the 2nd half.

They did score 100% more than our score without really trying. There was no hope in it. We just need the year to end, and pray to every god that the club will make a lot of hard decisions to turn things around.

Nuggety Back Pocket
22-07-2018, 06:19 PM
Adams has been poor the last two weeks.

So has Trengrove. Both are very unperformers.

G-Mo77
22-07-2018, 06:19 PM
It went as expected. 2 teams having a kick around with very little pressure. I think I'm almost done with footy for 2018.

Nuggety Back Pocket
22-07-2018, 06:23 PM
We have about 15 defenders in our team and our defence is a shambles lol

Too many changes down back. We looked a lot better when Cordy Naughton and Richards were in defence.

jeemak
22-07-2018, 07:09 PM
Better Bulldogs teams have been beaten by worse West Coast teams in WA by more, and netted worse results.

Some of the unthinking errors from players of all ages early in the piece were frustrating, and I refuse to believe that is how we instructed the players to set up and defend the ground (i.e. leave passages through the middle of the ground, and wide spaces for WCE players to move through behind our lines).

Unfortunately if we try to both defend well and attack, we're not fit enough to be able to do each and we get exposed. It was good to see the players stifle scoring a bit more in the second half, though with some straighter kicking the opposition could have gotten on a roll and we know what they can be like when it's been snowing, and the groomers have been groomed.

It's clear we're getting a really good look at who we're not sure about, I want to see Greene and Collins in to close out the season. I hope HC is OK.

Twodogs
22-07-2018, 07:09 PM
Sounds so totally depressing. I didn't see any of the game thankfully. Did anyone see a glimmer of hope anywhere? Seems we weren't completely crushed because WC couldn't be bothered! I hope that's not true and that we showed some fight in the 2nd half.

The defence got lots of practice.

Bullies
22-07-2018, 07:49 PM
Pretty simple when your mind isn't on the job..... Daniel is a good player in a good team but not so when he is the one who needs to turn it on.

The bulldog tragician
22-07-2018, 08:20 PM
Daniel is a good player in a good team but not so when he is the one who needs to turn it on.

He used to be so clean with the ball. What has happened?

The Underdog
22-07-2018, 09:08 PM
He used to be so clean with the ball. What has happened?

When he’s not using the ball cleanly then he becomes a pretty big liability.

angelopetraglia
22-07-2018, 09:27 PM
Gee Whiz ... it is pretty hard to watch at the moment. I love the game. Love the club. But I was so nonchalant about today's result. Not even angry or upset with how we played, just expected it.

It's a long, long winter when your team is not competitive.

merantau
22-07-2018, 09:57 PM
Gee Whiz ... it is pretty hard to watch at the moment. I love the game. Love the club. But I was so nonchalant about today's result. Not even angry or upset with how we played, just expected it.

It's a long, long winter when your team is not competitive.
To be quite honest I was surprised we did not get beaten by a lot more. We have an awful record there and the way we have been playing ....!!!
I have to think that fitness has to be a big factor in our 2nd half fade outs.
I feel for Tom Campbell. A genuine ruck who has been overlooked time and again. He must know his cards are marked. We desperately need English to develop into a to mobile ruck who takes marks around the ground. We need Tom Boyd to do what he was recruited to do - kick goals as a permanent forward presence.
We have shown we can mix it with good sides for a half. We have also shown a remarkable tendency to fall in a heap. Get a good run with injuries, settle players in positions, fix our goal kicking and we can regenerate and be a force again.

bornadog
22-07-2018, 10:00 PM
To be quite honest I was surprised we did not get beaten by a lot more. We have an awful record there and the way we have been playing ....!!!
I have to think that fitness has to be a big factor in our 2nd half fade outs.
I feel for Tom Campbell. A genuine ruck who has been overlooked time and again. He must know his cards are marked. We desperately need English to develop into a to mobile ruck who takes marks around the ground. We need Tom Boyd to do what he was recruited to do - kick goals as a permanent forward presence.
We have shown we can mix it with good sides for a half. We have also shown a remarkable tendency to fall in a heap. Get a good run with injuries, settle players in positions, fix our goal kicking and we can regenerate and be a force again.

All true. Do you realise Tom Campbell is out with a foot injury - yeah another one.

Danny the snakeman
22-07-2018, 11:55 PM
If thats what we have to offer im glad i only get to see it live once a year tho unfortunately i had to see it twice this year.

merantau
23-07-2018, 12:06 AM
All true. Do you realise Tom Campbell is out with a foot injury - yeah another one.

No, I didn't realise that. I thought he had got over his injuries and had been playing VFL.
Perhaps we could organize an award for injured players.
The Tom Williams Medal for the bloke who missed the most games in the year. (Knee reconstructees ineligble)

merantau
24-07-2018, 10:59 AM
Injuries are an occupational hazard and a significant factor in a team's performance over the season.
We have statisticians going misty eyed over every meaningless stat that Bwuce trots out ("That's the first time Pilsudski's kicked two on his left at the G since round 8 back in 2012! What a player!)
But injuries just Don't get a run!
Why can't we have a simple measure such as: "For this game WC have 6 listed players unavailable due to injury and the Bulldogs have 15 unavailable
Or if we want to get complex the "Experience Lost" Indicator. "For this match the Dogs are missing 666 games and the West Coast 103" Lingy (squeeky voice): "There's some big outs there Bwuce. It's a tuff game, this AFL"
Then for further insight you could divide the "Lost Experience" total by the number of players out - the higher the figure the more significant the outs due to the fact of losing a 20 gamer is more significant than losing a 2 gamer.
For eg 10 out, experience lost 100, Experience Lost Index 10
5 out experience lost 100, Experience Lost Index 20

I wonder how we'd stack up this year?
Do something useful stats men. I don't give a rat's arse how many goals Pilsudski has snagged on his left - seriously.

Nuggety Back Pocket
24-07-2018, 09:52 PM
To be quite honest I was surprised we did not get beaten by a lot more. We have an awful record there and the way we have been playing ....!!!
I have to think that fitness has to be a big factor in our 2nd half fade outs.
I feel for Tom Campbell. A genuine ruck who has been overlooked time and again. He must know his cards are marked. We desperately need English to develop into a to mobile ruck who takes marks around the ground. We need Tom Boyd to do what he was recruited to do - kick goals as a permanent forward presence.
We have shown we can mix it with good sides for a half. We have also shown a remarkable tendency to fall in a heap. Get a good run with injuries, settle players in positions, fix our goal kicking and we can regenerate and be a force again.

Always enjoy your comments. We simply do not have a Gawn or Grundy to give us first use of the ball. English is the only option going forward. I am not sure we can afford to play both Boyd and Schache in the same forward line. Our back line was at its best when Cordy Naughton and Richards were in defence. Williams and Bontempelli have been huge losses in the midfield. Our forward line has been a disaster forced to rely on the likes of Wallis to kick goals. Gowers has been spending too much time in the midfield and as such we miss his impact as a goal kicker. I would like to see Young played as he and Naughton are our future as key defenders.
Wood is also a huge loss as Captain and similarly Liberatore in the midfield where the game is normally won or lost. The stronger Clubs all have a very capable midfield and we struggle to compete at the moment.