The Chad Thread

[Ghost Dog]

It sounds like Bevo has decided that some players need to have an extra incentive to perform near their best over a period of time.
After the last 2 years I can appreciate that process but if you're chasing someone like Wingard it probably wasn't the right offer although it probably does indicate the player wasn't quite up for the challenge.

Wingard is a very talented player but probably a laconic type and maybe the timing just wasn't right.

No doubt he got a wiff of JStringer part II.

[Mofra]

From memory Suckers was a pick upgrade onto the main list with one of the picks given up by Sydney, so in effect Suckers and Stratton for JK and McGlynn.
Rookies upgrade can be done with pick 187 so the pick is irrelevant - taking a player as a rookie is the pertinent choice, the upgrade afterwards shouldn't be counted as success/failure of the pick.

[Scraggers]

Reports are we offered next years first rounder for wingard. Port would want pick 7 for this year’s draft coz of the SA kids. Obviously we wouldn’t baulk on that.

Yeah and I agree, I can see Adams being traded for 2 picks in the 40’s

This is where I get confused ... why would we have spoken to Port? Port were adamant Wingard hadn't asked for a trade, then he declared he wanted to go to Hawthorn. In that time, we said we were interested and we would have no doubt done our reconnaissance on him which would have included sitting with HIM and tabling an offer. Why would we have met with Port and tabled an offer with them?

Saying Port were not interested in our future first rounder (2019) is speculation at best !!

[DOG GOD]

This is where I get confused ... why would we have spoken to Port? Port were adamant Wingard hadn't asked for a trade, then he declared he wanted to go to Hawthorn. In that time, we said we were interested and we would have no doubt done our reconnaissance on him which would have included sitting with HIM and tabling an offer. Why would we have met with Port and tabled an offer with them?

Saying Port were not interested in our future first rounder (2019) is speculation at best !!

You’re probably right. I was just stating what had been mentioned.

[Scraggers]

You’re probably right. I was just stating what had been mentioned.

Sorry DG ... I wasn't having a go at you. It's more a culmination of media outlets saying we couldn't get the deal done with Port and what I've read on here. I just don't see why we would have sat down with Port at all.
Granted, Wingard not choosing us is a different point altogether.

[jeemak]

Of course we had to sit down with Port and scope the buying price through the process. Although Wingard hadn’t declared his intentions publicly the process still needed to roll on.

[mjp]

Of course we had to sit down with Port and scope the buying price through the process. Although Wingard hadn’t declared his intentions publicly the process still needed to roll on.

100%. That's the whole point of the clubs coming together for the week...some of it is working through genuine deals, most of it is looking at what might, maybe, sorta happen and trying to establish a ball park where both clubs can happily play...

This is what is causing the issues with Freo and Melbourne...Melbourne insist they had basically agreed in principle on what the exchange for Hogan would be...at the critical moment, Fremantle pulled back from their 'commitment' (which of course, was never really a 'commitment', it was just a 'negotiating point'...

In any case, we HAD to talk to PA.

[G-Mo77]

No doubt he got a wiff of JStringer part II.

I love this.

Speculation he's coming here. "Oh he'd be perfect for us"

Chooses another club "We dodged a bullet there"

Anyone who think Wingard wouldn't have helped our club are kidding themselves. It's a kick in the guts that we missed out on him.

[ledge]

I love this.

Speculation he's coming here. "Oh he'd be perfect for us"

Chooses another club "We dodged a bullet there"

Anyone who think Wingard wouldn't have helped our club are kidding themselves. It's a kick in the guts that we missed out on him.

I think he is a gun and would have been a great get but it’s not like we lost everything by not getting him , pick 7 is still an excellent position to have as a replacement. To me either way we don’t lose.

[Ghost Dog]

I love this.

Speculation he's coming here. "Oh he'd be perfect for us"

Chooses another club "We dodged a bullet there"

Anyone who think Wingard wouldn't have helped our club are kidding themselves. It's a kick in the guts that we missed out on him.

You want to leave your club and basically demand a ridiculous sum to get it done. Then you start leaving cryptic messages in instagram leaving your club in the dark. Is that the sort of person we want? Not me.

[G-Mo77]

Based on information just provided by Port supporters. Am I not allowed to update my views based on new information?

Sorry GD. Not singling out you. Last year Stringer was worth a 1st round pick, he was a gun. As soon as we traded him for unders he was rubbish and we got a great deal.

[Ghost Dog]

Sorry GD. Not singling out you. Last year Stringer was worth a 1st round pick, he was a gun. As soon as we traded him for unders he was rubbish and we got a great deal.

No worries G-Mo77, you are right to point out tribalism. It's not actually a healthy thing. Sometimes a ratbag can get you over the line ( Carey ) and that is what a good club should be able to do, get a kid and straighten him out. But it works better if you get them a bit younger. A lot of the anti-port Chad stuff is going to be smokescreen to hide the pain of losing him anyway. But for the money he is asking, it would be poor management of Port to keep him. And I really don't like the instagram thing, flirting with leaving or staying on social media.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Based recent information just provided by Port supporting friends.
Port fans seem more concerned about getting a good trade. Reported to have made a ridiculous offer, and invited by Port to explore his options.

I am firmly in the camp that would have loved him and is pretty disappointed. He is the type of player that runs hot and cold, but he kicks goals and wins games.

He would also be a commercial success, I think the hype and highlight reel would have a positive impact of membership numbers and drawing kids to our club. Most kids don’t run around imagining they are Tom Mitchell with his 40 possessions, they pretend they are Cyril or Eddie Betts dribbling in ridiculous goals from the pocket.

I still have a glimmer of foolish hope that the Hawks arrogance to expect a trade without having any currency will finally bite them and Port will come back to us and listen to our future first idea. I think Wingard sounds like he was happy to come to us and he might be willing to accept some of our contract conditions if the only alternative is going back to Port.

Oh well, at worst at least draft night will be more exciting with a pick 7 in play.

[Ghost Dog]

Good points. The club clearly has concerns over his hotness / coldness and I guess that is where the contract clauses come in. His goal kicking has been dropping off year by year. Billy Gowers kicked more goals than him this season.

[Remi Moses]

Sorry GD. Not singling out you. Last year Stringer was worth a 1st round pick, he was a gun. As soon as we traded him for unders he was rubbish and we got a great deal.

It’s all posturing and everyone does it . We were always in the cold light of day going to get a late first or two seconds .
When it was made so public it was always going to end that way

[Eastdog]

I think he is a gun and would have been a great get but it’s not like we lost everything by not getting him , pick 7 is still an excellent position to have as a replacement. To me either way we don’t lose.

Yeah for sure im glad we resigned a few like Wally as he I believe is an important part of the package. A pick within the top 10 especially in this draft is really good. We need just to keep developing our forwards well so they can make the most out of the opprotunities. Billy Gowers great get being our highest goal kicker this season. I liked glimpses of what Fergus Greene showed this year. Josh Schache got better as the year went on and marked well as is a decent kick at goal. Pat Lipinski also showed good signs up there.

[bulldogtragic]

Reading the last part of this thread, it kind of sounds like the logic of the well known philosopher, Billy Madison talking to himself:

BM1 (Last Week: Wingard interest) Wingard is better than Pick 7; I go with the first pick and clean the hair!

BM2 (This Week: No Wingard Interest & lazy rumours) No Wingard is not! Pick 7 is better; I leave the young hair silky and smooth!

BM1 (Wingard deal not done yet, maybe better than Pick 7) Oh, really, fool?!

BM2 (Wingard not happening at all) Really!

BM Stop lookin' at me, Sam Power!

[bornadog]

Didn't realise Chad has a 5 year deal with the Hawks.

[Twodogs]

Didn't realise Chad has a 5 year deal with the Hawks.

That was the fact the meeja forgot to mention at the time. Everyone was so busy idolising Graeme Wright and talking Hawthorn up as the greatest club ever invented they didn't have time to check and tell anyone about that.

It takes Chad through to his early 30s so Hawthorn will get the benefit of his best playing years.

[jeemak]

Interesting read.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bunch-of-lies-wingard-hurt-at-being-labelled-a-sook-20181025-p50buu.html

Not sure whether this guy's head is in the clouds or if he's unfairly maligned.

[Twodogs]

Interesting read.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bunch-of-lies-wingard-hurt-at-being-labelled-a-sook-20181025-p50buu.html

Not sure whether this guy's head is in the clouds or if he's unfairly maligned.

Whichever one it is, it's a problem I am glad we don't have.

[Sedat]

Whichever one it is, it's a problem I am glad we don't have.
It's a couple of Port affiliated media nuffies trying to justify the shocking situation of one of Port's absolute best U-25 players being traded out of the club for no real reason other than they over-paid for Watts, Rockliff and Motlop 12 months earlier, following on from Dixon and Hartlett getting fat contracts. All this 'Wingard sook' commentary is without foundation and fuelled by nobody other than Cornes and Tredrea.

This is a total mess by Port. Wingard will absolutely star at Hawthorn for 200 odd games and 8+ years.

[The Adelaide Connection]

It's a couple of Port affiliated media nuffies trying to justify the shocking situation of one of Port's absolute best U-25 players being traded out of the club for no real reason other than they over-paid for Watts, Rockliff and Motlop 12 months earlier, following on from Dixon and Hartlett getting fat contracts. All this 'Wingard sook' commentary is without foundation and fuelled by nobody other than Cornes and Tredrea.

This is a total mess by Port. Wingard will absolutely star at Hawthorn for 200 odd games and 8+ years.

...and Crows fans. Don’t forget about them. Never have I seen Crows fans push back with jealousy and Tall Poppy syndrome so hard on a player. They really didn’t like that Wingard was at Port and openly disliked the Crows.

[Happy Days]

It's a couple of Port affiliated media nuffies trying to justify the shocking situation of one of Port's absolute best U-25 players being traded out of the club for no real reason other than they over-paid for Watts, Rockliff and Motlop 12 months earlier, following on from Dixon and Hartlett getting fat contracts. All this 'Wingard sook' commentary is without foundation and fuelled by nobody other than Cornes and Tredrea.

This is a total mess by Port. Wingard will absolutely star at Hawthorn for 200 odd games and 8+ years.

But what about his crippling Fortnite addiction?

Nothing that comes out of the SA media can be held in any esteem.

[Twodogs]

But what about his crippling Fortnite addiction?

Nothing that comes out of the SA media can be held in any esteem.


My boss is addicted to Fortnite, she banned her kids from playing it and then thought to herself "I wonder what the attraction is..." and now it's "oh I can't come in today, something has come up" " so where is Kay today?" "She's at home playing Fortnite we think"

[jeemak]

I would think it’s a mix of things, as it usually turns out to be. Why everything has to be so polarised I’m not sure. That Port has mishandled their cap looks likely to be true, that Wingard would frustrate leaders and club coaches is just as likely.

[Ghost Dog]

Fact is, he hasn't played that well past two years. So it's a bit early to say he's going to set Hawthorn on fire.

[jeemak]

Fact is, he hasn't played that well past two years. So it's a bit early to say he's going to set Hawthorn on fire.

I think if they can get him to work his arse off he'll be good for them. The competition year on year has more and more players doing more and more to get the best out of themselves and be the best professionals they can be. If the Chad wants to be truly elite then he has to do more work more often, otherwise he'll be behind physically to the extent his talent will only ensure he is a middling to good player rather than an elite one.

He's clearly good enough, and with the right attitude and physical application he'll be a freak for Hawthorn.

[Twodogs]

I think if they can get him to work his arse off he'll be good for them. The competition year on year has more and more players doing more and more to get the best out of themselves and be the best professionals they can be. If the Chad wants to be truly elite then he has to do more work more often, otherwise he'll be behind physically to the extent his talent will only ensure he is a middling to good player rather than an elite one.

He's clearly good enough, and with the right attitude and physical application he'll be a freak for Hawthorn.


He has roughly the same chance of making it as Stringer. This is the big year, if he *!*!*!*!s this first year up then forget it he will never make it or he could come out and absolutely blow the competition apart.

[Topdog]

He has roughly the same chance of making it as Stringer. This is the big year, if he *!*!*!*!s this first year up then forget it he will never make it or he could come out and absolutely blow the competition apart.

He really has never had a season close to being as bad as Stringer. Not sure why we are comparing the 2 now

[Ghost Dog]

I think if they can get him to work his arse off he'll be good for them. The competition year on year has more and more players doing more and more to get the best out of themselves and be the best professionals they can be. If the Chad wants to be truly elite then he has to do more work more often, otherwise he'll be behind physically to the extent his talent will only ensure he is a middling to good player rather than an elite one.

He's clearly good enough, and with the right attitude and physical application he'll be a freak for Hawthorn.

Would you say him and Luke D are in similar head spaces? Luke at his peak was a great player for us. But seems to have gotten a bit self absorbed. Not sure if this is a fair comparison, ( definitely not at the skill level. Luke I won't miss your kicking boots!).
A Port crossover like Shaun Burgoyne is going to be an important leader for Chad.

[jeemak]

Would you say him and Luke D are in similar head spaces? Luke at his peak was a great player for us. But seems to have gotten a bit self absorbed. Not sure if this is a fair comparison, ( definitely not at the skill level. Luke I won't miss your kicking boots!).
A Port crossover like Shaun Burgoyne is going to be an important leader for Chad.

Perhaps in terms of result, but for different reasons in getting there. The Chad from what I can gather just doesn't really have an interest in football other than being freakishly good at it, and that results in him not getting as much out of himself as he could.

[Sedat]

He really has never had a season close to being as bad as Stringer. Not sure why we are comparing the 2 now
Yep. His midfield numbers in the 2nd half of this year were as good as anyone else at Port - it's the Cornes and Tredrea sidshow ramming home the whole 'played crap for two years and is a sook' narrative. Stringer can only dream of being able to spend more than 2 minutes at as time in the middle. HFF can also be a graveyard, especially when you have most of the ball feeding through to Robbie Gray.

This is purely about money - Port have over-committed for Fool's Gold and don't have enough in the bank for others.

[bulldogtragic]

It was reported by the media that our offer to Port Adelaide was our 2019 1st rounder for Chad Wingard. That's looking almost certain to be pick 4 and Wingard would've made little to no difference based on his 2019 fitness and form.

So on behalf of everyone who loves this club. Thank you Chad for picking Hawthorn and saving us from ourselves.

[GVGjr]

Yep we dodged a bullet in the short term at the very least BT
I'm guessing but I dont think we thought it would be a top 5 oick though

[bulldogtragic]

I'm guessing but I dont think we thought it would be a top 5 pick though

This point/question deserves its own thread. Then what has happened at the club this year???????

[GVGjr]

This point/question deserves its own thread. Then what has happened at the club this year???????

We probably thought it was a pick somewhere beteen 8 and 10. Realistically I think Port would have wanted a lot more anyway.
Too early to make ths call on why the season hasn't quite measured up.

[Grantysghost]

My understanding with Wingard is he had soft tissue, think Hamstring issues during pre season which put him behind the eight ball and he's struggled to get back to full fitness.
I expect if he gets a full pre season next year we will be able to judge better.

[bulldogtragic]

My understanding with Wingard is he had soft tissue, think Hamstring issues during pre season which put him behind the eight ball and he's struggled to get back to full fitness.
I expect if he gets a full pre season next year we will be able to judge better.

The issue for me is giving up pick 4, not with his talent. He's not a trade pick 4 player to me, even if he has 4 more good years.