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bornadog
29-09-2018, 12:21 PM
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Tom Boyd’s ability to become as proficient in the ruck as he is up forward has him primed to continue is improvement as an AFL footballer next season.
That’s the view of Bulldogs’ assistant coach Ash Hansen, himself a premiership forward in his playing days for West Coast.
Boyd is just 23 years of age, and has 61 games to his name.

“We know he’s got a high level of talent and we’ve seen what his best looks like,” Hansen told westernbulldogs.com.au.

“I know Tom is striving to get there as soon as he can, and with consistency, and we really encourage him to do that.
“I think our expectations for Tom’s (ability) can be high because they’re going to be matched with Tom’s (expectations of himself) and I think that’s a positive thing. We rate him extremely highly.”

Boyd played 12 games in 2018, and although he missed the last five matches of the season with a back issue, it was a solid return to football.

“Tom really started to develop his ruck craft this year. He probably played more ruck time this year than he has previously, and it grew over the course of the season,” said Hansen.

“Before he injured his back later in the year, I thought he really started to get some nice continuity in his performances. He was available for training, available for games and strung a lot of performances together after an injury interrupted pre-season.

“The fact he was available for the majority of the season was a real strength of his.”
Standing at 200cm, Boyd has great agility and adaptability.

“He’s certainly still an aerial threat. His strength around the contest started to improve and his ruck specific fitness grew as well,” Hansen said.
“Availability of personnel usually determines whether he plays forward or ruck from week to week.

It’s a great position to be in where we know he can play both roles, and then we can select that team on balance or where we think we can get an advantage against the opposition.

“The ruck is one of those positions where the more time you spend in that area of the ground, the more confident you feel, the craftier you get and the more dominant you can become.

“I think it’s a time-based thing, which is the same for our young, tall forwards. The more time he spends on the ground, the more time he spends training, we’re going to start to see his underlying strengths as he starts to blossom.

Hansen said Boyd’s goals for 2019 are simple.

“He’s such an aerial threat, if he can win ground level possessions, win those loose ball gets, that will certainly help him increase his involvement.

“As his aerobic fitness grows over another pre-season, that will allow him to have an impact up forward and around the ground as a marking target for us.”

GVGjr
29-09-2018, 12:35 PM
If he can hold some marks as a forward and be competitive in the ruck he is going to give us a massive advantage over other teams who go into games with one ruckman and a spare parts player doing the ruck work

Looking forward to seeing how Tom Boyd performs in 2019

bulldogtragic
29-09-2018, 01:46 PM
I like how we are giving him two roles to learn at the same time. Why get one role right to a great degree, when you can learn two at a slower rate and risk complicating his mind and game.

That said, my faith in him to achieve his enormous potential dispite this remains unchanged.

bornadog
29-09-2018, 02:04 PM
I like how we are giving him two roles to learn at the same time. Why get one role right to a great degree, when you can learn two at a slower rate and risk complicating his mind and game.

That said, my faith in him to achieve his enormous potential dispite this remains unchanged.

This has been the key on why he has played the roles he has:


Availability of personnel usually determines whether he plays forward or ruck from week to week.

Our rucks have been poor this year, forcing the coach to play Tom in that role. I have no doubt, if English can fulfill his potential, we will see less of Boyd in the ruck.

bulldogtragic
29-09-2018, 02:11 PM
This has been the key on why he has played the roles he has:



Our rucks have been poor this year, forcing the coach to play Tom in that role. I have no doubt, if English can fulfill his potential, we will see less of Boyd in the ruck.

My memory is that most weeks we didn't have all of Roughead & Campbell & English & Trengove injured/suspended. That aside, English and Boyd are rare talents, and if you can better manage their health and those around them, then they will reach their potential and the team will be a lot more competitive. I won't be convinced we've managed his development as a player as well as it should, but that's the past and from 2019 onwards hopefully they will.

whythelongface
29-09-2018, 06:37 PM
Watched the GF again the other day and still can’t fathom why he wasn’t the Norm Smith. He was colossus. Hopefully he can reach those heights again particularly in our forward line.

bulldogtragic
29-09-2018, 06:55 PM
Watched the GF again the other day and still can’t fathom why he wasn’t the Norm Smith. He was colossus. Hopefully he can reach those heights again particularly in our forward line.

Yep. I watched it not long ago, and still can't figure out Johno and the other judges talking about JJ's metres gained. Nothing against JJ that day, but a lot of those long kicks were not overly effective. It's just not a great stat to hang a Norm Smith on. Shots at goal (5), goals (3), contested marks (26) and involvements in key plays are a far greater impact although the stats might not look as high. But when you just watch the game, when you just look out for who is making the most impact, most of the time. Tom was clearly our best. I wonder sometimes after watching the DVD, whether the noise around his contract impacted some of the voters opinions.

GVGjr
29-09-2018, 07:04 PM
Yep. I watched it not long ago, and still can't figure out Johno and the other judges talking about JJ's metres gained. Nothing against JJ that day, but a lot of those long kicks were not overly effective. It's just not a great stat to hang a Norm Smith on. Shots at goal (5), goals (3), contested marks (26) and involvements in key plays are a far greater impact although the stats might not look as high. But when you just watch the game, when you just look out for who is making the most impact, most of the time. Tom was clearly our best. I wonder sometimes after watching the DVD, whether the noise around his contract impacted some of the voters opinions.

I think the error in voting was also responsible for JJ getting a bigger than ideal contract. Tom's contract was already in place :)

MrMahatma
29-09-2018, 10:28 PM
Play him forward. Stop compromising him because of our crap ruck stocks. How about we recruit some good rucks? (Apart from Tim who will be a gun in 4 years).

Eastdog
30-09-2018, 02:04 PM
Play him forward. Stop compromising him because of our crap ruck stocks. How about we recruit some good rucks? (Apart from Tim who will be a gun in 4 years).

Yeah we got Tom for that reason. I'm hoping he can take some more marks up there next season and kick goals. Has had to deal with some personal issues and injury. It still pays to have tall forwards who are strong aerially as we saw in the Grand Final yesterday. Need to have a strong ruck and Tim English is the future but still very young.

ledge
30-09-2018, 04:49 PM
If we can get Boyd, Schache , Gowers and Greene working together in the air we will a pretty unstoppable forward line. ( as long as we deliver it right )

Eastdog
30-09-2018, 05:50 PM
If we can get Boyd, Schache , Gowers and Greene working together in the air we will a pretty unstoppable forward line. ( as long as we deliver it right )

Sounds really good ledge. We would scare a lot of opposition defences.

Rocket Science
30-09-2018, 10:58 PM
If we don't improve the delivery bit, or Boyd's marking, we're going to continue to please a lot of defences too.

bornadog
30-09-2018, 11:06 PM
If we don't improve the delivery bit, or Boyd's marking, we're going to continue to please a lot of defences too.

What we need is a multitude of goal kicker like Collingwood had this year



1
Jordan De Goey (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--jordan-de-goey)

48


2
Will Hoskin-Elliott (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--will-hoskin-elliott)

42


3
Josh Thomas (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--josh-thomas)

38


3
Jaidyn Stephenson (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--jaidyn-stephenson)

38


5
Brody Mihocek (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--brody-mihocek)

29


6
Mason Cox (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--mason-cox)

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BornInDroopSt'54
01-10-2018, 01:13 PM
What we need is a multitude of goal kicker like Collingwood had this year



1
Jordan De Goey (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--jordan-de-goey)

48


2
Will Hoskin-Elliott (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--will-hoskin-elliott)

42


3
Josh Thomas (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--josh-thomas)

38


3
Jaidyn Stephenson (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--jaidyn-stephenson)

38


5
Brody Mihocek (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--brody-mihocek)

29


6
Mason Cox (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-collingwood-magpies--mason-cox)

25



Looking at Mason Cox. Boyd could do worse than imitate his ability to lead at the ball carrier, take the mark out in front to eliminate the opposition's chance to spoil.

westdog54
01-10-2018, 01:24 PM
Would you also have him grow 11cm?

ratsmac
01-10-2018, 02:34 PM
Looking at Mason Cox. Boyd could do worse than imitate his ability to lead at the ball carrier, take the mark out in front to eliminate the opposition's chance to spoil.

For a bloke the size of Cox, he is prepared to make multiple leads if the first one wasn't on. He must work hard on his fitness. His rise to AFL success is quite remarkable considering he's only played 44 AFL games and hardly anything else before that. Love him or hate him that's pretty good and you'd think he has more improvement in him.

I'd love to see Boyd progressing at the same rate as Cox. Boyd seems to get caught in a 1 on 1 wrestle more often than not which is easy to defend with the extra over the top. I agree, I'd love to see Boyd lead up at the ball like Cox.

In his defence, ruck duties haven't helped his forward craft. When he rests forward he's probably too tired for the multiple hard leads.

I hope English really comes a long next season so we can have Boyd and Schache up forward as our Kennedy/Darling combo.

EasternWest
01-10-2018, 03:00 PM
For a bloke the size of Cox, he is prepared to make multiple leads if the first one wasn't on. He must work hard on his fitness. His rise to AFL success is quite remarkable considering he's only played 44 AFL games and hardly anything else before that. Love him or hate him that's pretty good and you'd think he has more improvement in him.

I'd love to see Boyd progressing at the same rate as Cox. Boyd seems to get caught in a 1 on 1 wrestle more often than not which is easy to defend with the extra over the top. I agree, I'd love to see Boyd lead up at the ball like Cox.

In his defence, ruck duties haven't helped his forward craft. When he rests forward he's probably too tired for the multiple hard leads.

I hope English really comes a long next season so we can have Boyd and Schache up forward as our Kennedy/Darling combo.

Who could hate Mason Cox?

ratsmac
01-10-2018, 03:09 PM
Who could hate Mason Cox?

He does play for Collingwood you know

The Bulldogs Bite
01-10-2018, 03:41 PM
Cox is pretty driven and he's done really well to get to this point. Will be interesting to see how he goes next year but he could be a real weapon.

Not sure how driven Boyd is. He still has to prove this IMO. We know Boyd is capable, he delivered on two of the biggest stages ever (PF and GF) but does he want it enough to do it week in and week out?

Let's hope he can take big strides forward in 2019.

EasternWest
01-10-2018, 03:41 PM
He does play for Collingwood you know

I like Collingwood. I like them for a variety of reasons and also because they're not Carlton.

lemmon
01-10-2018, 10:40 PM
For a bloke the size of Cox, he is prepared to make multiple leads if the first one wasn't on. He must work hard on his fitness. His rise to AFL success is quite remarkable considering he's only played 44 AFL games and hardly anything else before that. Love him or hate him that's pretty good and you'd think he has more improvement in him.

I'd love to see Boyd progressing at the same rate as Cox. Boyd seems to get caught in a 1 on 1 wrestle more often than not which is easy to defend with the extra over the top. I agree, I'd love to see Boyd lead up at the ball like Cox.

In his defence, ruck duties haven't helped his forward craft. When he rests forward he's probably too tired for the multiple hard leads.

I hope English really comes a long next season so we can have Boyd and Schache up forward as our Kennedy/Darling combo.

Cox also finishes off his work far better than Boyd does - he kicked 25.12 for the year.

chef
02-10-2018, 05:14 AM
Boyd doesnt have the clean hands that Cox does.