Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

[azabob]

A guy who can't even update the TLS cert for his website can't be trusted.

Yeah.... that TLS cert is definitely a giveaway for trust levels...


NFI what you are on about GG!! :D

[azabob]

Have no idea what that means but Connors and his team generally squeal the least out of the player manager cohort - they are stealthy and tend to get everything done for the players they represent. And I think we have a pretty solid relationship with him, unlike say a Pickering old school cowboy type who uses the media to overtly pressure clubs to fold.

Come on Sedat... if you don't know what a TLS is I am not going to tell you....

[Doc26]

I think this is an opportunity for the Club to get on the front foot and put the pressure on Geelong, Smith and co.

Following the Dunkley trade scenario, with Brisbane not dealing in good faith, have our Board / President announce to its members that unless a trade of fair value is put forward by Geelong by end of week 1 of trade week, that it approves the sending of Bailey Smith to the Pre-season draft. Let?s make a public stand on this, reminding all that he is not a free agent, and put the heat back on Geelong.

[bornadog]

I think this is an opportunity for the Club to get on the front foot and put the pressure on Geelong, Smith and co.

Following the Dunkley trade scenario, with Brisbane not dealing in good faith, have our Board / President announce to its members that unless a trade of fair value is put forward by Geelong by end of week 1 of trade week, that it approves the sending of Bailey Smith to the Pre-season draft. Let’s make a public stand on this, and put the heat back on Geelong.

This all the way

[Countrydog5]

I can't remember who said it, but it really clarified things in my mind when I heard it. "Geelong need bailey Smith far more than the dogs need a speculative pick 20". The cats approached him while still in contract, so they absolutely have to pay a fair price. The draft is typically a lottery, outside of the top 5ish so picks and there's absolutely no way to know we'll even get a 100 game player from they pick they are offering at this stage. On the flip side, even with an ACL, Baz has already played 100 games, is a known commodity and will improve their midfield substantially.

I've never been more comfortable for the club to make a stand and say 2 firsts, or the draft it is. Hell even we'd pick him up again before the cats got to him, no front ended contract would deter us either, we've got a little play money with Jacko out the door.

[angelopetraglia]

We all knew Baz is targetting young people with his alco pop drinks using his abs as bait. But I did't think the brainwasing and luring people into alco pops would start this young ...

https://i.ibb.co/8cXV9Gf/IMG-2606.jpg

[jeemak]

Putting kids on socials creeps me out, especially if they're not yours.

Dressing them up in alcohol brands is crass.

[hujsh]

Is Barry meant to also be an Asian football club?

[angelopetraglia]

How many photos without a top can one man post? This is not normal behaviour. Narcissism at best.

However, look at that rig. That is proof he is worth two first rounders, surely.

https://i.ibb.co/tHj7Trg/IMG-2607.jpg

[Grantysghost]

We all knew Baz is targetting young people with his alco pop drinks using his abs as bait. But I did't think the brainwasing and luring people into alco pops would start this young ...

https://i.ibb.co/8cXV9Gf/IMG-2606.jpg
Do yourself a favour. Unfollow.

[jeemak]

AP I think it works to Brand Bailey's favour the less he talks and the more he posts images of himself topless.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Where's Kysaiah Pickett?

Gee v Dees Rd 1 please. Or is Kysaiah suspended again?

[Grantysghost]

AP I think it works to Brand Bailey's favour the less he talks and the more he posts images of himself topless.
Can you imagine the shit you'd cop from team mates being such a vein douche?

Crazy.

[Sedat]

Putting kids on socials creeps me out, especially if they're not yours.

Dressing them up in alcohol brands is crass.
The only way it could get worse is if he was somehow caught going to one of those Diddy parties, and Diddy kept the receipts

[comrade]

He?s a complete tool.

[Go_Dogs]

Will he be at the Brownlow and if so, which table?

[Grantysghost]

Will he be at the Brownlow and if so, which table?

I'm looking forward to the B & F on October 2. I have pre-drinks with the players. If Baz is there I'm making sure I have a chat.

He will Bail-ey

[bornadog]

I'm looking forward to the B & F on October 2. I have pre-drinks with the players. If Baz is there I'm making sure I have a chat.

He will Bail-ey

He should be nowhere near the club, players or any one associated with the Westernbulldogs - **** him

[Grantysghost]

He should be nowhere near the club, players or any one associated with the Westernbulldogs - **** him

Dunks was there - and it felt like we pissed in his pocket.

There was a lot of love from Bevo.

I guess the fact he was going to win was something his ego couldn't turn down.

Considering I've seen Bailey Bail-ing early on the pre-drinks before I expect that he will not turn up at all.

Probably has a red bull camp to go to.

[Virgin-Dog]

Dunks was there - and it felt like we pissed in his pocket.

There was a lot of love from Bevo.

I guess the fact he was going to win was something his ego couldn't turn down.

Considering I've seen Bailey Bail-ing early on the pre-drinks before I expect that he will not turn up at all.

Probably has a red bull camp to go to.
If there's one thing Dunks can't be criticized for, it's his commitment to the club prior to his trade. At the events I've attended with Dogs players, I definitely noticed Dunks, Keath and Daniel as being the best with fan engagement (especially with how much time they would spend chatting to random fans). This was even at a time when it was all but confirmed he was leaving.

Compare that to Baz and... I can't respect him at all

[Grantysghost]

If there's one thing Dunks can't be criticized for, it's his commitment to the club prior to his trade. At the events I've attended with Dogs players, I definitely noticed Dunks, Keath and Daniel as being the best with fan engagement (especially with how much time they would spend chatting to random fans). This was even at a time when it was all but confirmed he was leaving.

Compare that to Baz and... I can't respect him at all
The two best from my experience were Tim Obrien and Billy Gowers.

Bont is swamped so hard to tell! But he's also amazing.

[Virgin-Dog]

The two best from my experience were Tim Obrien and Billy Gowers.

Bont is swamped so hard to tell! But he's also amazing.
Definitely got that vibe from Gowers too! Man of the people

[GVGjr]

If there's one thing Dunks can't be criticized for, it's his commitment to the club prior to his trade. At the events I've attended with Dogs players, I definitely noticed Dunks, Keath and Daniel as being the best with fan engagement (especially with how much time they would spend chatting to random fans). This was even at a time when it was all but confirmed he was leaving.

Compare that to Baz and... I can't respect him at all

Some people I have talked to have given praise to Gardner, Lobb and JOD for the way they interact with the members.

[Virgin-Dog]

Some people I have talked to have given praise to Gardner, Lobb and JOD for the way they interact with the members.
Never had the chance to speak with Lobb or JOD. The one time I met Gardner, he was in his first year so still fairly uncomfortable with the fan engagement side of things I think. Still a nice bloke and friendly enough though.

One particular open training I went to, the ones I didn't see spend any longer than the bare minimum were Smith, JUH and a handful of the younger guys.

Darcy was a good one too actually - met him in his first year and he already seemed comfortable with the fan engagement stuff

[GVGjr]

If we assume Geelong's pick 15 is one picks we get for Bailey Smith what else should we holding firm for or is that about all we can expect? Should we demand a F2 pick

[Axe Man]

If we assume Geelong's pick 15 is one picks we get for Bailey Smith what else should we holding firm for or is that about all we can expect? Should we demand a F2 pick

We should be demanding at least pick 15 and F1. Probably have to settle for 15 and something like their second rounder this year or next. We should not settle for just pick 15 which will end up closer to 20.

[bulldogtragic]

If we assume Geelong's pick 15 is one picks we get for Bailey Smith what else should we holding firm for or is that about all we can expect? Should we demand a F2 pick

Two firsts or nothing.

Their 15 will be around 20 (Battle, Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako, Camporeale et al).

So first and F1 is actually pick 20+ and F1. That’s less than Dunkley as their that deal had done later swaps and add ons.

[hujsh]

We should be demanding at least pick 15 and F1. Probably have to settle for 15 and something like their second rounder this year or next. We should not settle for just pick 15 which will end up closer to 20.

How about 15+F1+a player on the fringe we like? Ted Clohesy might be one from the sounds of it. Sounds similar to West in osme aspects but a bit pacier. Or maybe more like Garcia.

[Grantysghost]

If we assume Geelong's pick 15 is one picks we get for Bailey Smith what else should we holding firm for or is that about all we can expect? Should we demand a F2 pick

Pick 15 will end up higher - so they're going to have to PONY UP!

Future first as well.

[Grantysghost]

Two firsts or nothing.

Their 15 will be around 20 (Battle, Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako, Camporeale et al).

So first and F1 is actually pick 20+ and F1. That’s less than Dunkley as their that deal had done later swaps and add ons.

It's for all intents and purposes a second round pick they have this year. It's nowhere near good enough. You can say it's a first but that's rubbish as a lot of the top tier talent is already allocated.

[Grantysghost]

Anyone else sensing today feels like announcement day?

[hujsh]

Anyone else sensing today feels like announcement day?

Was meant to be today or yesterday, so yes I'd expect it today.

[GVGjr]

How about 15+F1+a player on the fringe we like? Ted Clohesy might be one from the sounds of it. Sounds similar to West in osme aspects but a bit pacier. Or maybe more like Garcia.

It's a bit rare that players are added into the negotiations with other player movements. The players that might interest us are the quality of Mannagh and Humphries are not who Geelong will part with but perhaps there is someone else.

We should demand pick 15 and a F1 and if Geelong are committed to him they should be happy with that.

[Grantysghost]

Was meant to be today or yesterday, so yes I'd expect it today.

Then lets hope Bevo is on his way down the highway now - pushing the metaphor to ridiculous lengths!

https://i.postimg.cc/RZzRJLVP/bevoponyup.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[azabob]

The photo of Smith sitting in the Geelong area on Saturday night was shown on footy classified.

Interesting throw away line by Caro at the very end of the clip...



https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/disgruntled-dogs-left-in-dark-with-smith-trade/vi-AA1r8U0Z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=12271bc936444c16b9e6a5969edd8d17&ei=32

[azabob]

Then lets hope Bevo is on his way down the highway now - pushing the metaphor to ridiculous lengths!

https://i.postimg.cc/RZzRJLVP/bevoponyup.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

That is all sorts of terrible GG!!

[Grantysghost]

That is all sorts of terrible GG!!

So bad it's good ?! I only had 5 mins bw meetings :cool:

[Rocket Science]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing when you've reached the 'comments are disabled' phase of your social media reign?

Augurs well for the inevitable 'TYFE Dawgz. L8terz!' farewell post.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The photo of Smith sitting in the Geelong area on Saturday night was shown on footy classified.

Interesting throw away line by Caro at the very end of the clip...



https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/disgruntled-dogs-left-in-dark-with-smith-trade/vi-AA1r8U0Z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=12271bc936444c16b9e6a5969edd8d17&ei=32

This has a lot of Kawhi Leonard about it when he left the San Antonio Spurs.

Bailey is dead to me. It's been like that for nearly 12 months anyway but the way he's gone about this is pathetic and disrespectful to the club. I'd say we're in Griffen territory here except I actually liked Ryan.

[hujsh]

This has a lot of Kawhi Leonard about it when he left the San Antonio Spurs.

Bailey is dead to me. It's been like that for nearly 12 months anyway but the way he's gone about this is pathetic and disrespectful to the club. I'd say we're in Griffen territory here except I actually liked Ryan.

Griff gave the club good tenure at least.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Griff gave the club good tenure at least.

Yeah and I can somewhat understand his grievances (not saying that justified his stabbing us in the back and bailing).

Bailey is a precious, self entitled narcissist who gives zero f***s about the club and never once did. He's become my no 1 most hated former player now. Makes Dunkley look like a non-event.

[kickit2Koly]

I get the feeling the club is happy to see the back off him. If we really wanted to keep him why didn't we up our offer at all?! He was given a 2 year offer at the start of the year and it never improved.

[hujsh]

I get the feeling the club is happy to see the back off him. If we really wanted to keep him why didn't we up our offer at all?! He was given a 2 year offer at the start of the year and it never improved.

I guess they knew he was leaving so the offer was a 'stay a couple years more and cash in harder when you leave after proving yourself'

Also possible some of the rumours of him being of the 'Hunter' ilk mean we're not devastated to lose him. Especially with Richards upgrading on the role we'd have had for Bailey.

[bornadog]

I'd say we're in Griffen territory here except I actually liked Ryan.

I liked Griffen too, but I think there was more to it and BMacc has something to do with it - but we may never find out.

Dunkley was highly professional about his departure

as for Smith, well dead to me since he refused to even show up at training. He better not show up to the B&f

[comrade]

My hope is this deal opens up a can of worms for Geelong, leading to them being investigated and found guilty for ongoing salary cap breaches and having their flags from the last 20 years taken off them. All for a blonde haired douche bag.

[my plums]

My hope is this deal opens up a can of worms for Geelong, leading to them being investigated and found guilty for ongoing salary cap breaches and having their flags from the last 20 years taken off them. All for a blonde haired douche bag.

It's just a different form of COLA. (Cotton On Living Allowance)

[Sedat]

My hope is this deal opens up a can of worms for Geelong, leading to them being investigated and found guilty for ongoing salary cap breaches and having their flags from the last 20 years taken off them. All for a blonde haired douche bag.
How can you possibly refuse to believe that the likes of Matty Scarlett and Tom Stewart aren't legitimate fashion doyens worthy of being Cotton On ambassadors? These two are the very personification of attention-seeking red carpet high fashion.

[Mofra]

How can you possibly refuse to believe that the likes of Matty Scarlett and Tom Stewart aren't legitimate fashion doyens worthy of being Cotton On ambassadors? These two are the very personification of attention-seeking red carpet high fashion.
Paris, New York, Milan, Geelong.

The 4 pillars of the international fashion industry.

[Rocco Jones]

I could imagine Connors being pretty pissed off with this.

We don't have the fanbase or media connections to really give us any power and AFL fine with third party stuff as long as they aren't blatantly obvious (even then, nothing/not much will happen).

Bailey Smith sitting with in the Cats/Cotton On section just makes it too obvious. AFL gives zero ****s about actual integrity but perception/PR is a thing to them.

[Sedat]

Paris, New York, Milan, Geelong.

The 4 pillars of the international fashion industry.
According to Flight of the Conchords and their iconic song 'Fashion is Danger', Wellington is the other pillar of international fashion.

[Grantysghost]

I could imagine Connors being pretty pissed off with this.

We don't have the fanbase or media connections to really give us any power and AFL fine with third party stuff as long as they aren't blatantly obvious (even then, nothing/not much will happen).

Bailey Smith sitting with in the Cats/Cotton On section just makes it too obvious. AFL gives zero ****s about actual integrity but perception/PR is a thing to them.
Yes, officially he's still a dog's player old $emi $mith.

[jeemak]

There?s scuttlebutt on the other site about the Dogs pursuing an investigation into circumstances and Connors being furious with Smith.

[bulldogtragic]

According to Flight of the Conchords and their iconic song 'Fashion is Danger', Wellington is the other pillar of international fashion.

I read the post and started singing Ladies of the World!

I’ve been to Paris, Wellington & Amsterdam.

[hujsh]

There?s scuttlebutt on the other site about the Dogs pursuing an investigation into circumstances and Connors being furious with Smith.

That fact you even used my word means I have to assume that was a personal attack at me, made with malice aforethought


More Scuttlebutt:

Connors told Smith not to go to the Geelong prelim and is annoyed that Smith did anyway. Hurts negotiations. Bulldogs officially requesting the AFL look further into Smith's deal with Cotton on (which I'm sure won't get the Talia treatment)

[bulldogtragic]

There?s scuttlebutt on the other site about the Dogs pursuing an investigation into circumstances and Connors being furious with Smith.

Not going to take his 20% cut?

[bulldogtragic]

That fact you even used my word means I have to assume that was a personal attack at me, made with malice aforethought

Reposting their own stuff. So Jeenak is Jeemak & Hujsh?

Criss/Cross

Didn’t see this coming.

[Grantysghost]

There?s scuttlebutt on the other site about the Dogs pursuing an investigation into circumstances and Connors being furious with Smith.
About being boner champ?

[jeemak]

I hadn?t checked the trade thread before posting!

[hujsh]

Reposting their own stuff. So Jeenak is Jeemak & Hujsh?

Criss/Cross

Didn’t see this coming.

When the hujsh attitude towards English and 2nds rucks changed that was when Jeenak took over.

[Sedat]

I could imagine Connors being pretty pissed off with this.

We don't have the fanbase or media connections to really give us any power and AFL fine with third party stuff as long as they aren't blatantly obvious (even then, nothing/not much will happen).

Bailey Smith sitting with in the Cats/Cotton On section just makes it too obvious. AFL gives zero ****s about actual integrity but perception/PR is a thing to them.
Never double-cross the AFEL when it comes to the optics.

[Sedat]

Not going to take his 20% cut?
If the deal can't get done, 20% of nothing is nothing. I reckon Connors is right to be pissed off.

[bulldogtragic]

If the deal can't get done, 20% of nothing is nothing. I reckon Connors is right to be pissed off.

I’d be royally pissed too. I’m sure he’ll get a good contract from Richmond or North…..

[Sedat]

I’d be royally pissed too. I’m sure he’ll get a good contract from Richmond or North…..
True, but there will be no under-the-table folding stuff without Cotton On involved.

Also Brand Bailey will take a hit if there is some shady stuff that comes to the surface, which obviously reduces his future commercial prospects.

[bulldogtragic]

True, but there will be no under-the-table folding stuff without Cotton On involved.

Also Brand Bailey will take a hit if there is some shady stuff that comes to the surface, which obviously reduces his future commercial prospects.

I’d like to be upset for him, but….

Screw ‘em all.

[Sedat]

I’d like to be upset for him, but….

Screw ‘em all.
I share that sentiment, but Connors has a huge stable and it plays in our favour to stay conciliatory (at least externally) with him and his team - he will be desperate to get the deal done to go to Geelong, and he knows that Smith's dumbass antics on the weekend have helped us potentially achieve a stronger result than otherwise might have been anticipated.

[Grantysghost]

I share that sentiment, but Connors has a huge stable and it plays in our favour to stay conciliatory (at least externally) with him and his team - he will be desperate to get the deal done to go to Geelong, and he knows that Smith's dumbass antics on the weekend have helped us potentially achieve a stronger result than otherwise might have been anticipated.
Mackie doesn't do better result for someone else.
We still have 0 hand I think Sedat and this is just adding to the public embarrassment for Boner Baz the $leazy $emi $mith.
Why, it even make the Cats go it's clear he's a loose unit so we will pay less!

[bulldogtragic]

I share that sentiment, but Connors has a huge stable and it plays in our favour to stay conciliatory (at least externally) with him and his team - he will be desperate to get the deal done to go to Geelong, and he knows that Smith's dumbass antics on the weekend have helped us potentially achieve a stronger result than otherwise might have been anticipated.

I get that, but we’ve done nothing wrong. Even if we go scorched earth he will know it was BS that created it and we are still on the moral high ground too. We don’t need to put his nose out, but his problems with BS are no longer anything to do with us. Thank ****ing Christ too.

[bulldogtragic]

Mackie doesn't do better result for someone else.
We still have 0 hand I think Sedat and this is just adding to the public embarrassment for Boner Baz the $leazy $emi $mith.
Why, it even make the Cats go it's clear he's a loose unit so we will pay less!

Nah I’m with Sedat 100%. Geelong & BS have overplayed their hands. We get what we want or Geelong get nothing and Brand Baz gets embarrassed. It’s a good thing in a perverse way.

[Grantysghost]

Nah I’m with Sedat 100%. Geelong & BS have overplayed their hands. We get what we want or Geelong get nothing and Brand Baz gets embarrassed. It’s a good thing in a perverse way.
It does sound nice :cool:

[bulldogtragic]

It does sound nice :cool:

We won’t get way overs or anything. But we now get something like a fair deal now. I’m sure BS will say he was just helping us get fair value for him being a non narcissist and all.

[GVGjr]

I share that sentiment, but Connors has a huge stable and it plays in our favour to stay conciliatory (at least externally) with him and his team - he will be desperate to get the deal done to go to Geelong, and he knows that Smith's dumbass antics on the weekend have helped us potentially achieve a stronger result than otherwise might have been anticipated.

We've got a lot of cards to play and I agree it's not in our best interest in sending a scorched earth message with Connors and run the potential of alienating him and his stable. That said, we need to make a few points very clear to him.

1 - We worked as closely with Smith as we could and bent over backwards to accommodate him training away from the club and going overseas for a holiday etc.
2 - We put in a few offers for him to consider and he chose to go somewhere else and that's fine and we wish him well.
3 - With that said, we are bitterly disappointed with images of him sitting with a Geelong group in the preliminary final even allowing he is an ambassador for Cotton On and especially when he hasn't confirmed his preferred destination with us.
4 - We will not accept a significantly unders offer from Geelong or any other club for a trade. We are open to picks this year and next, a pick and a player this year and two picks this year.
5 - We can't be jerked around and engage in a game of brinkmanship with Geelong that delays the deal until the last minute. If this cannot be completed professionally and fairly then we will reluctantly walk him to the draft. An offer of a first round pick this year or next isn't going to get it done.
6 - We would really appreciate the Connors Sports Management team working with Geelong to get this done if that is where he chooses but please understand that the extent of our flexibility is contained in point 4 and there isn't a lot of wiggle room.

[DOG GOD]

The club wouldn’t have the balls to send him to the PSD, so we will end up being bent over with this. Pick 15 which will be like pick 20, and who knows after that.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

When the hujsh attitude towards English and 2nds rucks changed that was when Jeenak took over.

Oh that Jeenak...

[GVGjr]

The club wouldn’t have the balls to send him to the PSD, so we will end up being bent over with this. Pick 15 which will be like pick 20, and who knows after that.

It's certainly not something that has been done too regularly by clubs but I do think most supporters, not all, would be okay with that position if the club felt that it needed to pull the trigger. In this unfair trade period it's really hard to strike the perfect balance because everyone is locked into a mindset of exact draft picks or points but it also doesn't mean any club should 'gift' players to stronger clubs.
Our position on the deal is only limited by our mindset and determination and clearly we should not accept a lopsided deal.
I've said it before but 50 cents in the dollar isn't acceptable in a trade for Bailey Smith given his best football could still be in front of him, but perhaps 80c is something we could live with and is something both clubs could aim for. We should be aiming higher though.

[Happy Days]

I want $1.20 on the dollar or he can go play for Richmond. We’ve already done the heavy lifting of playing without him, we don’t really have anything to be afraid of. Plus it will feel so good while we’re doing it which some of you aren’t considering.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYX1hKSXEAA1XpH?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYX1hJoaMAAuMty?format=jpg&name=medium

[jazzadogs]

I hate how they always frame it as 'the dogs want more' not 'anybody who follows AFL can see that he is worth more than that'.

[Happy Days]

Midweek Tackle are the biggest AFL bootlickers in media for anyone who wasn’t aware.

[GVGjr]

I hate how they always frame it as 'the dogs want more' not 'anybody who follows AFL can see that he is worth more than that'.

I really wish they'd just say the Dogs won't accept unders for player who's best football is still in front of him.

[Grantysghost]

I hate how they always frame it as 'the dogs want more' not 'anybody who follows AFL can see that he is worth more than that'.
Yeah but he has no contract and wants to go

If I were the cats I'd be offering two thirds of fk all.

[Bullies]

I really wish they'd just say the Dogs won't accept unders for player who's best football is still in front of him. We'll have to pay the "shit club tax" and will get unders. Same when we want someone we pay overs. It is how it works not being a part of the "big clubs".

[Go_Dogs]

We hold the cards here.

Let’s walk him if we don’t get what we want.

Maybe he still ends up at the Cats via that pathway if he can scare others off, but maybe he doesn’t.

Pony up Carters.

[DOG GOD]

We hold the cards here.

Let’s walk him if we don’t get what we want.

Maybe he still ends up at the Cats via that pathway if he can scare others off, but maybe he doesn’t.

Pony up Carters.

I don’t reckon we, as a club would have the balls to send him to the PSD. 30 mins before the deadline we will accept their pick 15(to become 21) and that will be it, just to get him out of the club.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

What's the minimum we accept?

If it's pick 20 + a second round and we're sending anything back I'm demanding we walk away.

I wouldn't even want us to accept pick #20 & a second on it's own.

[dog town]

I’m really torn, walking him to PSD galvanises the club but we really need the picks. We gave up any leverage we had by holding him last year.

[jeemak]

Yeah but he has no contract and wants to go

If I were the cats I'd be offering two thirds of fk all.

That's because you're a ****?

I know you're not, but that flippant attitude is why the world is a disgustingly shit place to operate if you have a modicum of decency.

Geelong isn't going to be a better club by treating other clubs like shit. See how that worked out for Essendon. Eventually it will hurt them, their time will come.

[GVGjr]

We hold the cards here.

Let’s walk him if we don’t get what we want.

Maybe he still ends up at the Cats via that pathway if he can scare others off, but maybe he doesn’t.

Pony up Carters.

Do players entering the PSD have to nominate terms? That's probably not something the Cats want to be made known. They have a very strict payment structure with players and it might not be in their interest to have that information leaked out.
I think we have a few cards to play so I don't see it was all gloomy as some others clearly see it.
Smith being part of the Connors group makes it a bit harder to walk him to the PSD but it is an option because I don't think Connors can ask us to take a lesser deal. He clearly rates his client and must know the Cats do have the capital to offer a fair deal. A pick pushed back to the 20's won't meet that.

This is from their own website:

Contract Negotiation

The art of contract negotiation can be a delicate and protracted process. Experience and timing are crucial. At CSM, we work relentlessly to secure the best deals for clients that are both fair and equitable.

I don't think the Cats would want him to go to the PSD and run the risk of another club selecting him. Connors certainly won't want that to happen. Perhaps he can help us in another deal to land a player we want but they'll have to come up with something good.
Time will tell but I don't see us being forced to accept a really bad deal.

[soupman]

I'd think PSD would almost be a hollow threat on account clubs don't usually interfere with eachothers deals, however us having a pick before Geelong is the real Trump card. Especially with him not moving for money allegedly it makes it much harder for him to price himself out of anybody else's reach.

I wonder if Bailey would go the Luke Ball route and nominate for the ND instead, and how differently that would play out.

[bulldogtragic]

I'd think PSD would almost be a hollow threat on account clubs don't usually interfere with eachothers deals, however us having a pick before Geelong is the real Trump card. Especially with him not moving for money allegedly it makes it much harder for him to price himself out of anybody else's reach.

I wonder if Bailey would go the Luke Ball route and nominate for the ND instead, and how differently that would play out.

If we pulled that, that’s his best chance to get to Geelong (ND). I’m not sure he’d reach say 20 though, even with himself putting a bounty on his head.

This is a shit show and only gets worse from here I suspect.

[Grantysghost]

That's because you're a ****?

I know you're not, but that flippant attitude is why the world is a disgustingly shit place to operate if you have a modicum of decency.

Geelong isn't going to be a better club by treating other clubs like shit. See how that worked out for Essendon. Eventually it will hurt them, their time will come.
Their initial offer is going to be pretty low it's just the way it works.
I personally don't like it, but it's a competition and I get the game.

Personally I love the negotiating, of course if it's done with respect.

Are we considering Bailey's health issues when we think of his value?

Do the Dogs have to fully disclose that to the buyer?

The **** means im a star right? :cool:

[Bullies]

Do players entering the PSD have to nominate terms? That's probably not something the Cats want to be made known. They have a very strict payment structure with players and it might not be in their interest to have that information leaked out.
I think we have a few cards to play so I don't see it was all gloomy as some others clearly see it.
Smith being part of the Connors group makes it a bit harder to walk him to the PSD but it is an option because I don't think Connors can ask us to take a lesser deal. He clearly rates his client and must know the Cats do have the capital to offer a fair deal. A pick pushed back to the 20's won't meet that.

This is from their own website:

Contract Negotiation

The art of contract negotiation can be a delicate and protracted process. Experience and timing are crucial. At CSM, we work relentlessly to secure the best deals for clients that are both fair and equitable.

I don't think the Cats would want him to go to the PSD and run the risk of another club selecting him. Connors certainly won't want that to happen. Perhaps he can help us in another deal to land a player we want but they'll have to come up with something good.
Time will tell but I don't see us being forced to accept a really bad deal. It would be good if they have to nominate terms as he would definitely be snapped up by Richmond. Isn't it part of the issue that the majority of his funds will be coming via the "marketing agreement" with Cotton On. The Geelong contract is supposedly standard and nothing out of the ordinary.

[Jasper]

Most of us have moved jobs for one reason or another and especially when you are young so I don't begrudge him for that. I just don't appreciate the way he's gone about it and it smacks of a very self focused and entitled attitude.
Good luck to you Bailey you will leave with my blessing but not my support.

[comrade]

Now he?s saying he?s ?outgrown? the Bulldogs. Jog on ****wit.

[bulldogtragic]

Now he?s saying he?s ?outgrown? the Bulldogs. Jog on ****wit.

Say what!?!

[bornadog]

Now he?s saying he?s ?outgrown? the Bulldogs. Jog on ****wit.

Where did he say that Comrade?

[angelopetraglia]

“You never know, I still love the club that’s what people forget,’’ Smith said of the Bulldogs.

“But there’s a level of when you outgrow a place, or you just need a fresh change for whatever reason. I still love them, they’re still my mates. I won’t get too deep into it. I feel like I’d be doing myself a disservice for the player I want to become and the person I want to become by staying in the same environment but we’ll see.”

Source:https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/theres-a-level-of-when-you-outgrow-a-place-or-you-just-need-a-fresh-change-for-whatever-reason/news-story/f907a95aa8a0bc3f45eb40de6d5aa378?amp

[chef]

Where did he say that Comrade?

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/bailey-smith-explains-real-reason-behind-move-away-from-western-bulldogs-c-16195158

[angelopetraglia]

He has outgrown us. Can you get more condescending than that? His brand is too big for the Bulldogs?

[angelopetraglia]

?There?s a level of when you outgrow a place, or you just need a fresh change for whatever reason?

The star midfielder has spoken out about how he ?outgrew? the Western Bulldogs and how he?s trying to fall in love with footy again.

Bailey Smith has revealed the real reasons for wanting to depart the Western Bulldogs, with his manager saying it?s still up in the air where he will land.

The star midfielder, speaking on a panel at the EJ Whitten Grand Final Legends Lunch organised by RULE prostate cancer, revealed he fell out of love with the game but has regained his passion after injuring his knee.

?You never know, I still love the club that?s what people forget,?? Smith said of the Bulldogs.

?But there?s a level of when you outgrow a place, or you just need a fresh change for whatever reason. I still love them, they?re still my mates. I won?t get too deep into it. I feel like I?d be doing myself a disservice for the player I want to become and the person I want to become by staying in the same environment but we?ll see.?

Smith?s manager Paul Connors said when asked if Geelong was the preferred destination: ?Amazingly we?re still working through that.?

Smith, 23, said he?d started having a kick with his Dad and with former footy star turned commentator Dale Thomas.

?I could sort of resent all the headlines I?ve had, all the not so good stuff I?ve done, or the pressure that comes with the way you have to look, all that sort of shit, but it?s also made me learn to value less superficial stuff,?? he said.

?The whole AFL player image stuff and just learn to love the game. I just go for a kick during the week and just learn to love footy at its barest. I kick the footy with my dad and try to fall in love with the game again because I did fall out of love with it for a bit.

?And it?s taken an injury to really, really love it and miss it again because it can get clouded by everything that?s happening.?

Smith spoke on a panel alongside Connors, Gerard Whateley and Ben Cousins, with current Bulldogs board member Luke Darcy hosting.

Darcy admitted it was heartbreaking to lose a player of Smith?s ability.

?It?s heartbreaking, it is because there?s a lot of love for Bailey,?? he said.

?When you see Bailey come into the room and he?s got so much respect and love. We understand the way the system works ? the AFL want players to move.?

He joked: ?If I was doing the deal Jeremy Cameron and two first round picks (in exchange). But he is a young superstar the most marketable player in the game.?

Smith, who has the most followers on Instagram of any AFL player, said he wants to be known for his footy.

?I?ve probably struggled with it (attention) because first and foremost I love football and that?s what I want to be known for,?? he said.

?And people see all the shit I put out on Instagram and all that stuff, that?s the one thing that does get me up in the morning and makes me tick is the game itself and training. That?s my mission in next 10-12 years is to really leave my legacy ? that?s getting a bit too deep ? but to be more football oriented than all the stuff that?s been thrown up so far.?

More than 500 guests attended the lunch, including Jo Silvagni, Steve Hooker, Michael Christian, Titus O?Reily and the second panel members Leigh Matthews, Erin Phillips, Ray Chamberlain and Laura Kane.

[angelopetraglia]

I dislike him even more now. Gee whiz. Who is advising this kid.

[bulldogtragic]

**** you Bailey. **** you. **** you. **** you and **** you.

[bornadog]

I dislike him even more now. Gee whiz. Who is advising this kid.
What a douche he is - bloody wanker

[bulldogtragic]

Seriously, send him to the draft for his personal growth journey. This **** is shitting all over us and doesn’t give a **** in the process.

Scorched earth. Let’s see the Cotton On books and the Geelong books.

[angelopetraglia]

"And people see all the shit I put out on Instagram and all that stuff, that's the one thing that does get me up in the morning and makes me tick is the game itself and training. That's my mission in next 10-12 years is to really leave my legacy ... that's getting a bit too deep ... but to be more football oriented than all the stuff that's been thrown up so far."

Words are cheap Baz. Words are cheap. Action is all that matters and your actions since the Grand Final is the opposite to this. You care more about partying, got caught up in your own brand and off field ventures and forgot that playing football is primarily about being part of a team.

[Happy Days]

Bailey it is not that deep my man. I’m actually in awe of how much of a wanker he is at this point.

[The bulldog tragician]

Such mindless and self centered drivel. Also, Luke Darcy’s conflict of interest in this situation really annoys me. Talking of love and respect for a guy who is actually belittling our club with his condescending remarks? It doesn’t suggest we’re going to be ruthless as we should be in our expectations of what he’s worth.

[angelopetraglia]

Such mindless and self centered drivel. Also, Luke Darcy’s conflict of interest in this situation really annoys me. Talking of love and respect for a guy who is actually belittling our club with his condescending remarks? It doesn’t suggest we’re going to be ruthless as we should be in our expectations of what he’s worth.

To be fair. At that audience what else is Darcy going to say. When Nathan Brown left, Darcy refused to talk to him for years. I'm sure deep down he has zero love for Baz. I feel like Darcy has a ruthless streak in him.

[bornadog]

To be fair. At that audience what else is Darcy going to say. When Nathan Brown left, Darcy refused to talk to him for years. I'm sure deep down he has zero love for Baz. I feel like Darcy has a ruthless streak in him.

Smith shouldn't have been on that panel

[angelopetraglia]

Read this from Luke Darcy https://www.afl.com.au/news/115443/value-of-loyalty from 2011. I feel like I know where he stands on the issue.

A few years later, Nathan Brown chose to leave the Bulldogs for Richmond.

We were close mates at the time and it's fair to say I was extremely disappointed with his decision. Of course there was my self-interest in not wanting to lose a gun player to a fierce rival, but there was also a feeling that he wasn't going for the right reasons.

We didn't speak for over a year and we've never really spoken about him leaving since, but despite the great friendships he made at Richmond I still feel he would have been best served by staying a one-club player.

Loyalty has always been something that divides opinion.

[The bulldog tragician]

To be fair. At that audience what else is Darcy going to say. When Nathan Brown left, Darcy refused to talk to him for years. I'm sure deep down he has zero love for Baz. I feel like Darcy has a ruthless streak in him.
Understand what you’re saying. I still feel he could have stayed polite and factual, plus it’s the wearing of two hats that bugs me, as in the utterances of Darcy the board member and Bulldog legend could seem to be an official club view. I think we’re all going to have extreme emotions as this deeply unpleasant situation plays out.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

My God what a f****ing douche. The guy is so far removed from his reality. He's a true narcissistic f***.

His words are complete shit when his actions are the complete opposite. F*** him off already. I don't care what we get. I wanna see Pickett shirt front the wank.

[Grantysghost]

It's hard to interpret what he's saying in any way other than he's a big fish in a small pond.
Jeez that's either a really poor choice of phrase or he's head is just doing its own thing at this point.

It's ok though, big fish boner Bailey still loves us.

I don't want to over react to every utterance however he really needs a better advisor.

Wake me up when trade week is over re Bailey.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Pickett is my new favourite player.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Interesting that Connors has said they're still working out where he's going. This cotton on thing is probably being looked at right now.

[Grantysghost]

Btw from what I've seen Bailey hasn't outgrown anything.

Thanks, I'm here all week, please, try the fish.

[angelopetraglia]

Seriouls question. Why has he not nominated Geelong yet?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

How dumb is Smith? He can't help but keep putting his foot in it. WTF is Connors doing and advising him?

[GVGjr]

Seriouls question. Why has he not nominated Geelong yet?

Even his manager hasn't given an indication. Hard to know why but could there be another player at the table? I know it's a long shot

[Rocket Science]

The Youtube algorithm is absolutely undefeated.

Unlike Baz's poker face around the at 2:30 mark ...


https://youtu.be/niaOZOkrg-c?t=142

[Rocco Jones]

Seriouls question. Why has he not nominated Geelong yet?

I?m guessing to make out like the Geelong deal hasn?t been 18-24 months in the making. That being seen to nominate Geelong early would hurt his case if Cotton On deal is investigated.

[Sedat]

Interesting that Connors has said they're still working out where he's going. This cotton on thing is probably being looked at right now.
Damage control after Smith's antics on the weekend. Connors is a pro, but Smith must be testing his patience.

[Rocket Science]

Seriouls question. Why has he not nominated Geelong yet?

At a guess it's not to further inflame what's already a contentious bin fire behind the scenes.

[Grantysghost]

At a guess it's not to further inflame what's already a contentious bin fire behind the scenes.
Usually there would be a tacit agreement in place bw the clubs before nomination.

Looks like we can't even get the initial bit happening which screams we are very far apart.

[Rocket Science]

I wonder if Connors' commission doubles every time Baz has to publicly feed his ego.

[soupman]

Normally when a player nominates a trade they head off somewhere quiet and wait till its done.

Smith this week alone seems to have done tv segments, grand final week appearances, "Barry" drink promotions including weird soccer kit give-aways and a stint behind the bar trying to flog the stuff, not to mention a seemingly uptick and needy thirst trap instagram posts.

I appreciate he has had some mental health challenges, but man he makes it hard for himself and must be infuriating to manage.

[Doc26]

To be fair. At that audience what else is Darcy going to say. When Nathan Brown left, Darcy refused to talk to him for years. I'm sure deep down he has zero love for Baz. I feel like Darcy has a ruthless streak in him.

Our Board cannot wait to see the back of Bailey. He?s been too
much work. So we’ve also very much outgrown him. The Club won?t be looking to support Bailey?s interests, just our own at this point.

[1eyedog]

Normally when a player nominates a trade they head off somewhere quiet and wait till its done.

Smith this week alone seems to have done tv segments, grand final week appearances, "Barry" drink promotions including weird soccer kit give-aways and a stint behind the bar trying to flog the stuff, not to mention a seemingly uptick and needy thirst trap instagram posts.

I appreciate he has had some mental health challenges, but man he makes it hard for himself and must be infuriating to manage.

We need employees who put football first. Simple as that.

[jeemak]

Bailey it is not that deep my man. I?m actually in awe of how much of a wanker he is at this point.

I had a suspicion he was a massive wanker, but he's transcending levels I didn't think possible.

[josie]

He appears to be a shallow and illogical thinker. Low IQ, EQ and self absorbed, possibly - correction - almost definitely- a narcissist.

I hope he receives proper mental support and sage advice he needs to have a fulfilled career and life. I’m fearing it could end up like Cousins etc.

I do not wish him ill and still (unbelievably) have a soft spot for him. Mainly I want the best for our club. My second biggest fear is we are not adequately compensated and cycle of small club being bent over & a powerhouse club becomes stronger continues. My greatest fear is we hold firm (which I think is fine in theory & a big part of me says we should if Cats are unfair in negotiations) and a powerhouse club picks him in PSD or ND, with currently struggling teams too scared of his mental fragility & the circus antics that he has created.

One thing is certain, when we play against him it will be close to a sellout and the sparks will fly as our players likely feel as gutted, upset and perplexed as we do by his shenanigans.

[angelopetraglia]

He appears to be a shallow and illogical thinker. Low IQ, EQ and self absorbed, possibly narcissistic.



I'm reasonably certain he is a narcissist.

[ledge]

Our Board cannot wait to see the back of Bailey. He?s been too
much work. So we’ve also very much outgrown him. The Club won?t be looking to support Bailey?s interests, just our own at this point.

We did try and keep him and made an offer so I am not sure he is as bad as people are making out.
He isn’t another Stringer where we shipped him around and wouldn’t have him back.

[hujsh]

It's more fun to make fun of him saying dumb stuff than to try and diagnose him

[jeemak]

He appears to be a shallow and illogical thinker. Low IQ, EQ and self absorbed, possibly narcissistic.

I hope he receives proper mental support and sage advice he needs to have a fulfilled career and life. I’m fearing it could end up like Cousins etc.

I do not wish him ill and still (unbelievably) have a soft spot for him. Mainly I want the best for our club. My second biggest fear is we are not adequately compensated and cycle of small club being bent over & a powerhouse club becomes stronger continues. My greatest fear is we hold firm (which I think is fine in theory & a big part of me says we should if Cats are unfair in negotiations) and a powerhouse club picks him in PSD or ND, with currently struggling teams too scared of his mental fragility & the circus antics that he has created.

One thing is certain, when we play against him it will be close to a sellout and the sparks will fly as our players likely feel as gutted, upset and perplexed as we do by his shenanigans.

I guess this is what Warrick Capper would have been if he came from privilege and took himself seriously.

[Go_Dogs]

Our Board cannot wait to see the back of Bailey. He?s been too
much work. So we’ve also very much outgrown him. The Club won?t be looking to support Bailey?s interests, just our own at this point.

Would love to hear more.

Sounds promising…

[FrediKanoute]

I don’t reckon we, as a club would have the balls to send him to the PSD. 30 mins before the deadline we will accept their pick 15(to become 21) and that will be it, just to get him out of the club.

If we send him to the PSD we are handing Nth Melb a free hit. North pick him up for nothing or do a deal with Geelong. More likely North pick him up on a 1 year contract and do a deal with Geelong for picks.

[jazzadogs]

That interview has got me fuming. What a pr***.

[Grantysghost]

https://i.postimg.cc/7YzQ8ZCZ/Screenshot-20240927-203244.png (https://postimg.cc/HVptbH4q)

[Grantysghost]

My eyes naturally let ALL THE LIGHT IN

[josie]

https://i.postimg.cc/7YzQ8ZCZ/Screenshot-20240927-203244.png (https://postimg.cc/HVptbH4q)

Barbie Bailey doll for sale.

[bulldogtragic]

Completely unrelated to anything on this forum:

https://rrtampa.com/cocaine-eyes/

[Dancin' Douggy]

Just in regards the cotton on ambassador role. I presume in theory he could still get that without playing for Geelong. If you can ONLY get it if you play for Geelong, well that is immediately sus.

[ledge]

I would take Dekonning for him.
Teach Dekonning the back line stuff and he takes over from Lobb, Buss takes Jones spot.

[hujsh]

I would take Dekonning for him.
Teach Dekonning the back line stuff and he takes over from Lobb, Buss takes Jones spot.

Aint no teaching required, the man was a premiership fullback 2 years ago. He's 23 now. If he's coming he's coming to play best 18 style.

[SonofScray]

Well done Baz.

It must have been awful being part of our club and being the absolute of idol of all these little scumbag children from Footscray and surrounds.

Glad you are finally free and able to be your true, authentic self.

Grow on young fella.

[Go_Dogs]

Smith has been spending lots of time in Sydney. Imagine if he went all Buddy and declares the Swans?

[Mofra]

Smith has been spending lots of time in Sydney. Imagine if he went all Buddy and declares the Swans?
I'd laugh

[Sedat]

https://i.postimg.cc/7YzQ8ZCZ/Screenshot-20240927-203244.png (https://postimg.cc/HVptbH4q)
I've been trying to work out who Bailey Smith reminds me of, and it hit me like a bolt of lightning this morning. He is basically the modern version of this guy, except completely humourless, totally devoid of self-awareness, mind-numbingly dull, and nowhere near as talented or entertaining.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0kLDpK_YNo

[Rocket Science]

Look we all know he's just a K-Mart Caleb Poulter anyway.

[bulldogtragic]

I think he will end up a more financially secure (because of the pay this generation), but far less entertaining version of Warwick Capper. Doing voicemail records for $100 and leaking porn tapes for attention in retirement. But without the hit music either.

(I only take what’s mine)


I've been trying to work out who Bailey Smith reminds me of, and it hit me like a bolt of lightning this morning. He is basically the modern version of this guy, except completely humourless, totally devoid of self-awareness, mind-numbingly dull, and nowhere near as talented or entertaining.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0kLDpK_YNo

Tried telling you all 700 posts ago.

Great minds think a like.

[josie]

Look we all know he's just a K-Mart Caleb Poulter anyway.

A big thankyou for my daily laughter dose. I actually like Poults & his mullet. Dark hair frames faces way better than fair hair & Poults is a better kick than Bailey too. Both a bit space cadet like.

[Raels_d]

Smith has been spending lots of time in Sydney. Imagine if he went all Buddy and declares the Swans?
This is the way my thinking is going as well. If he has outgrown us he pretty much has outgrown Victoria. Not sure what Cotton On exposure is like in Sydney or Queensland but ?.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I've been trying to work out who Bailey Smith reminds me of, and it hit me like a bolt of lightning this morning. He is basically the modern version of this guy, except completely humourless, totally devoid of self-awareness, mind-numbingly dull, and nowhere near as talented or entertaining.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0kLDpK_YNo

He reminds me of Billy Hargrove from stranger things.

[EasternWest]

A big thankyou for my daily laughter dose. I actually like Poults & his mullet. Dark hair frames faces way better than fair hair & Poults is a better kick than Bailey too. Both a bit space cadet like.

I mean, I think Smith is a moron and wanted him gone years ago, and I don't mind Poulter, but let's be honest Smith is at least 10 times better than him.

[Grantysghost]

Wow the truth will be out there, I can't wait! Sadly he's with our Zak. That can't be good.
Is that a Pinocchio emoji?

https://i.postimg.cc/rwfzL86b/Screenshot-20240928-134941.png (https://postimg.cc/WdJsGc16)

[jazzadogs]

Wow the truth will be out there, I can't wait! Sadly he's with our Zak. That can't be good.
Is that a Pinocchio emoji?

https://i.postimg.cc/rwfzL86b/Screenshot-20240928-134941.png (https://postimg.cc/WdJsGc16)

I think he's talking about being 'out there' on Grand Final day, an opportunity which the Bulldogs famously didn't provide him...

[bornadog]

Well done Baz.

It must have been awful being part of our club and being the absolute of idol of all these little scumbag children from Footscray and surrounds.

Glad you are finally free and able to be your true, authentic self.

Grow on young fella.

Feels like that is what his thinking is

[Grantysghost]

I think he's talking about being 'out there' on Grand Final day, an opportunity which the Bulldogs famously didn't provide him...
Yeah that's crazy he has been out there. He knows what he's posting.

[Sedat]

I think he's talking about being 'out there' on Grand Final day, an opportunity which the Bulldogs famously didn't provide him...
Well he is quite zippy - not without a chance in the Grand Final Sprint

[GVGjr]

Just some speculation on Code Sports

1477

[jeemak]

Tried telling you all 700 posts ago.

Great minds think a like.

Said the same a few pages ago.

[bulldogtragic]

Said the same a few pages ago.

Temu Warwick Capper knock off, we agree.

[WBFC4FFC]

Just some speculation on Code Sports

1477

Nice to see some objectivity out there, versus the Handbags trying for month’s, via their media contacts (Jake Niall has no shame) in the media trying soften everyone for their first-round pick this year alone being enough!

[jeemak]

Nice to see some objectivity out there, versus the Handbags trying for month’s, via their media contacts (Jake Niall has no shame) in the media trying soften everyone for their first-round pick this year alone being enough!

Jake Niall is the biggest ****ing sycophant in the media, and probably the type of guy who says he's the only one who knows how to roll a joint at a party and then hogs it and talks about how he's the only one who knows how to roll a joint at the party, so it doesn't get passed around.*


*I knew a guy who looks exactly like him who did that so he's tarred.

[bornadog]

Nice to see some objectivity out there, versus the Handbags trying for month’s, via their media contacts (Jake Niall has no shame) in the media trying soften everyone for their first-round pick this year alone being enough!

and Jake isn't the only one.

We should be stirring up a bidding war for Smith amongst clubs. Shop him around and encourage them to interview him.

[Rocco Jones]

We should be stirring up a bidding war for Smith amongst clubs. Shop him around and encourage them to interview him.

What's the point though? Players have to agree to the trade and the PSD option, I think it's a bit of a hollow threat as he will end up where he wants to go anyway. Just front load the contract and renegotiate whenever. The AFL don't really care about integrity unless it's a massive PR storm and media either dislike or don't care about us. Totally get the emotional output of saying '**** Geelong, send him to the PSD' but ultimately, it will just hurt us.

[JanLorMill]

What's the point though? Players have to agree to the trade and the PSD option, I think it's a bit of a hollow threat as he will end up where he wants to go anyway. Just front load the contract and renegotiate whenever. The AFL don't really care about integrity unless it's a massive PR storm and media either dislike or don't care about us. Totally get the emotional output of saying '**** Geelong, send him to the PSD' but ultimately, it will just hurt us.
The PSD threat didn?t hurt Port that much when they sent Stevens there and won the premiership the next year. We have a pick before Geelong and not sure why we couldn’t front end it either.
Not sure what happened with Luke Ball and the national draft. Saints to pies.
We lose pick 15 which we don?t have yet for a player that didn?t play this year and was poor in 2022/23.

We also show we can’t be pushed over like the rest of the league thinks after the Dunkley and Stringer trades.

[Rocco Jones]

The PSD threat didn?t hurt Port that much when they sent Stevens there and won the premiership the next year. We have a pick before Geelong and not sure why we couldn’t front end it either.
Not sure what happened with Luke Ball and the national draft. Saints to pies.
We lose pick 15 which we don?t have yet for a player that didn?t play this year and was poor in 2022/23.

We also show we can’t be pushed over like the rest of the league thinks after the Dunkley and Stringer trades.

Will they really think that? I think the last team that said stuff it, we will send him to the PSD were the Suns with Jack Martin and I don’t think it changed much at all.

I get your sentiment (I think) and if it actually changed anything, I’d definitely be with you, but I don’t think it would. Nice and totally understandable as a vent/FU but unlike fans, Power and co. have to deal with business.

[JanLorMill]

Will they really think that? I think the last team that said stuff it, we will send him to the PSD were the Suns with Jack Martin and I don’t think it changed much at all.

I get your sentiment (I think) and if it actually changed anything, I’d definitely be with you, but I don’t think it would. Nice and totally understandable as a vent/FU but unlike fans, Power and co. have to deal with business.
2019 Suns(last) couldn’t afford $1M Martin put on his head and Melbournes(2nd last) didn’t save a pick in the psd. Carlton was 3rd last.
This year before Geelong there are 14 other possible picks including ours.
Martin was a bust too.

[mighty_west]

The PSD threat didn?t hurt Port that much when they sent Stevens there and won the premiership the next year. We have a pick before Geelong and not sure why we couldn’t front end it either.
Not sure what happened with Luke Ball and the national draft. Saints to pies.
We lose pick 15 which we don?t have yet for a player that didn?t play this year and was poor in 2022/23.

We also show we can’t be pushed over like the rest of the league thinks after the Dunkley and Stringer trades.

We need to be really strong here, especially dealing with clubs like the Cats who can be a pain in the ass to work with, but unfortunately i can't see our club doing this (but we should), we should really stick with demanding two first round picks, they know Baz is a gun, they even mentioned that in a statement recently therefor we hold them to that, otherwise we start talking with other clubs, i wonder if they are being spooked by this Cotton-On investigation?

[bornadog]

As much as I would love to send BS to PSD, we need to get the best deal we can. I trust Power will

[GVGjr]

As much as I would love to send BS to PSD, we need to get the best deal we can. I trust Power will

If it's Geelong it's likely we will have a sliding scale

Top 10 pick = Done deal
2 x 1st round picks = Done deal
1 x 1st, 1 x 2nd + 1 by 3rd = Likely deal
1 x 1st + 1 x 2nd = Negotiate
1 x 1st + Player = Consider
1 x 1st = No
2 x 2nd = No

There are a lot reasons why we shouldn't let him go for a considerable undervalued offer.

[Grantysghost]

If it's Geelong it's likely we will have a sliding scale

Top 10 pick = Done deal
2 x 1st round picks = Done deal
1 x 1st, 1 x 2nd + 1 by 3rd = Likely deal
1 x 1st + 1 x 2nd = Negotiate
1 x 1st + Player = Consider
1 x 1st = No
2 x 2nd = No

There are a lot reasons why we shouldn't let him go for a considerable undervalued offer.
PSD isn't my choice it's nose to spite face stuff.
Doesnt mean we get rolled not sure one means you don't get another.
We pressure the deal using other levers, to the best of our ability.
I think it will get done, it's interesting there's been no announcement though. We clearly are unhappy with things.

[Rocket Science]

Plenty to overthink here ...

Maybe pre-negotiations have gone poorly enough we're threatening the Cats with AFEL scrutiny in an effort to extract an equitable outcome, and perhaps we spare the league the charade of having to 'investigate' should they in turn persuade the Cats to deal in good faith.

Which all presupposes the AFEL's likely to be a fearless, good-faith arbiter in the event of an investigation in the first place. Insert emoji of choice here.

So are we really obliged to focus our persuasions on the league itself by going vocal on the broader issue of salary cap abuse as a tool for player poaching and the AFEL's willingness to abide it, coupled with the appropriate legal muscle if only to suggest we're serious.

Difficult to see it coming to that but you also wonder how exhausted the club's patience reserves are as another rival helps themselves to another premium young asset - even one we're internally glad to be rid of - without paying fair value.

Gonna suck heaps if we just end up getting our lunch stolen again without much of a struggle.

[Rocco Jones]

The system is BS. If we send him to the PSD, Geelong are a lock to get him. They will frontload it and/or no one will get him when he clearly does not want to go to them. Geelong will rework the contract ASAP.

It amounts to draft tampering and the AFL should do something about it but we know of course they won't.

[The Pie Man]

The system is BS. If we send him to the PSD, Geelong are a lock to get him. They will frontload it and/or no one will get him when he clearly does not want to go to them. Geelong will rework the contract ASAP.

It amounts to draft tampering and the AFL should do something about it but we know of course they won't.

Richmond surely have the $ and could do wonders for the brand / drink - why wouldn’t they take him?

[jazzadogs]

If it's Geelong it's likely we will have a sliding scale

Top 10 pick = Done deal
2 x 1st round picks = Done deal
1 x 1st, 1 x 2nd + 1 by 3rd = Likely deal
1 x 1st + 1 x 2nd = Negotiate
1 x 1st + Player = Consider
1 x 1st = No
2 x 2nd = No

There are a lot reasons why we shouldn't let him go for a considerable undervalued offer.

I think we need to stop referring to this year's pick as a first - it will be 20, which realistically is a second round pick. And every chance that next year is the same (if they even offer another 'first').

Pretty much the best deal we can hope for is 2x pick 20 odd (assuming Cats continue as usual and make a prelim).

[Rocco Jones]

Richmond surely have the $ and could do wonders for the brand / drink - why wouldn’t they take him?

Because they'd be signing a player who doesn't want to be there on an inflated short term contract. There's also the Mental Health aspect, whether it's real or just playing a card. He will nominate a deal that's basically fake and then re-negotiate deal with Geelong. It's bullshit but we know the AFL won't do anything about it. We also know the AFL media narrative will be about us being belligerent rather than it being tantamount to draft tampering.

[Rocco Jones]

What I believe we do need to do is find a stronger voice to/with/in the media. I think we are hurt by having AFL media being either neutral, apathetic or anti us.

[Grantysghost]

I think we need to stop referring to this year's pick as a first - it will be 20, which realistically is a second round pick. And every chance that next year is the same (if they even offer another 'first').

Pretty much the best deal we can hope for is 2x pick 20 odd (assuming Cats continue as usual and make a prelim).
That's the Dunkley deal almost.

[Grantysghost]

I think we need to stop referring to this year's pick as a first - it will be 20, which realistically is a second round pick. And every chance that next year is the same (if they even offer another 'first').

Pretty much the best deal we can hope for is 2x pick 20 odd (assuming Cats continue as usual and make a prelim).
Better terminology is probably where it sits in a ten pick range.

It's a top 30 pick.
We want a top 10 pick.

[GVGjr]

I think we need to stop referring to this year's pick as a first - it will be 20, which realistically is a second round pick. And every chance that next year is the same (if they even offer another 'first').

Pretty much the best deal we can hope for is 2x pick 20 odd (assuming Cats continue as usual and make a prelim).

We all know where Geelong's picks this year are situated and future picks are always a lottery. The point is it's already at a discount so I don't understand why so many think we should accept inferior offers because apparently something is better than nothing.

It's an unlikely scenario to put a player into the PSD and if our supporters are okay with a couple of picks for next year then we won't need to but just accepting whatever they offer isn't okay with me.

[The Pie Man]

Because they'd be signing a player who doesn't want to be there on an inflated short term contract. There's also the Mental Health aspect, whether it's real or just playing a card. He will nominate a deal that's basically fake and then re-negotiate deal with Geelong. It's bullshit but we know the AFL won't do anything about it. We also know the AFL media narrative will be about us being belligerent rather than it being tantamount to draft tampering.

They can back themselves in to convince him that Punt Rd is the way - he’d suit their rebuild and the douche will get big crowds and the perfect market for whatever canned sh$t he sells.

Richmond would almost be a win win if we harbor any real ambition to challenge the next 2 years.

[Rocco Jones]

They can back themselves in to convince him that Punt Rd is the way - he’d suit their rebuild and the douche will get big crowds and the perfect market for whatever canned sh$t he sells.

Richmond would almost be a win win if we harbor any real ambition to challenge the next 2 years.

And lose that Cotton On deal that’s technically not linked to Geelong but we know it 100% is? It’s draft/trade/player tampering but we know AFL will look the other way.

[Grantysghost]

We all know where Geelong's picks this year are situated and future picks are always a lottery. The point is it's already at a discount so I don't understand why so many think we should accept inferior offers because apparently something is better than nothing.

It's an unlikely scenario to put a player into the PSD and if our supporters are okay with a couple of picks for next year then we won't need to but just accepting whatever they offer isn't okay with me.
Always add a buffer year to a contract and never let them run out for a young player like Baz.

[jazzadogs]

We all know where Geelong's picks this year are situated and future picks are always a lottery. The point is it's already at a discount so I don't understand why so many think we should accept inferior offers because apparently something is better than nothing.

It's an unlikely scenario to put a player into the PSD and if our supporters are okay with a couple of picks for next year then we won't need to but just accepting whatever they offer isn't okay with me.

I'm with you on the structure of what is acceptable. I just think saying 'two first round picks' is so misleading because it's actually pick 20 and likely pick 15+. The first round these days stretches to 25 picks half the time.

Two top 20 picks is my preference.
If the offer was pick 20 this year and their future second I wouldn't accept.

[Uninformed]

Like the Judd deal with Pratt for Carltom, Smiths Cotton-on link with Geelong looks really suss. It could all be above board, but perceptions matter.

For the sake of being perceived to do the right thing the AFL should deny the Bailey Smith trade to Geelong. Any other team, no problems. But the Geelong move looks bad for the integrity of the competition and should be a no go.

[ledge]

Like the Judd deal with Pratt for Carltom, Smiths Cotton-on link with Geelong looks really suss. It could all be above board, but perceptions matter.

For the sake of being perceived to do the right thing the AFL should deny the Bailey Smith trade to Geelong. Any other team, no problems. But the Geelong move looks bad for the integrity of the competition and should be a no go.

Problem is if you have no facts of wrong doing you can’t penalise a team just because you think it’s suspicious
.

[bornadog]

I'm with you on the structure of what is acceptable. I just think saying 'two first round picks' is so misleading because it's actually pick 20 and likely pick 15+. The first round these days stretches to 25 picks half the time.

Two top 20 picks is my preference.
If the offer was pick 20 this year and their future second I wouldn't accept.

It's still pick 15 (sort of) because the same 15 are available to all clubs. The others pushing it to 20 are ungettable anyway.

[jeemak]

It's still pick 15 (sort of) because the same 15 are available to all clubs. The others pushing it to 20 are ungettable anyway.

It's a decent point. In times past such players would have been taken with third rounders.

[bornadog]

It's a decent point. In times past such players would have been taken with third rounders.

Father/sons, Academy push it out but we couldn't pick them anyhow

[jeemak]

Father/sons, Academy push it out but we couldn't pick them anyhow

Yes, I understood the first time! :)

[Rocco Jones]

As a bit of the guide, decent players drafted at 19/20/21 in recent years:

2017- W Powell, O Allen
2018- Stocker
2019- SDK, T Dow
2020- F Macrae, Holmes, Bowey
2021- JVR, Lohmann, M Johnson
2022- E Allan, Konstantly, D Jones

[jazzadogs]

It's still pick 15 (sort of) because the same 15 are available to all clubs. The others pushing it to 20 are ungettable anyway.

So you're saying that we did pay too much for Sanders... :p

I can see your point and hadn't really thought about it like that.

[GVGjr]

Because they'd be signing a player who doesn't want to be there on an inflated short term contract. There's also the Mental Health aspect, whether it's real or just playing a card. He will nominate a deal that's basically fake and then re-negotiate deal with Geelong. It's bullshit but we know the AFL won't do anything about it. We also know the AFL media narrative will be about us being belligerent rather than it being tantamount to draft tampering.

I don't believe players can nominate fake deals to get through the drafts because the clubs needs to be able to meet that.
Heavily front loaded contracts are also an issue.
We can search for reasons not to stand our ground but we will prove PETA right and fast track the Mutt moniker if we just roll over and submit to the softer touch and some cheap treats.

I don't care if we cop a bad wrap in the media and we should be prepared to ride out a difficult trade period

[Grantysghost]

So you're saying that we did pay too much for Sanders... :p

I can see your point and hadn't really thought about it like that.
However they are the 20th (say pushed back 5) best talent probably so it's not 15.

[mjp]

I don't care if we cop a bad wrap in the media and we should be prepared to ride out a difficult trade period

I'm happy with this - but if we are clear going in then we wont cop criticism.

It's well worth the club - it should be Sam Power with Bevo alongside him - coming out and doing a trade primer presser. ALL of the talk will be about Smith. It should be all love and kisses from us and we should 100% include a video montage of all of his great on-field moments that finishes with "The Bulldogs want to thank Bailey for his xx games of incredible service"...and a statement showing all of his achievements.

Bevo should then talk about the role Bailey has played in our side - that outside/inside role, and talk about how the role that Richards moved into during 2024 was the one we had ear-marked for Baz etc...the plan was always to build his game from the outside in and now he is entering his prime he should be ready to go...he's going to be an amazing player and how we aren't looking forward to seeing a line-up where the oppo includes his name.

Hand back to Power - talk about similar players and the draft capital exchanged...make it C-L-E-A-R.

Geelong are going to offer unders but if WE DO THE WORK for the media, they will 100% allow us too and quote us...

If we take the 'strong, silent approach' as we did with Dunkley then we are going to get raked over the coals again. I don't understand why we don't get on the front foot with this and try and win the media over.

[Grantysghost]

I'm happy with this - but if we are clear going in then we wont cop criticism.

It's well worth the club - it should be Sam Power with Bevo alongside him - coming out and doing a trade primer presser. ALL of the talk will be about Smith. It should be all love and kisses from us and we should 100% include a video montage of all of his great on-field moments that finishes with "The Bulldogs want to thank Bailey for his xx games of incredible service"...and a statement showing all of his achievements.

Bevo should then talk about the role Bailey has played in our side - that outside/inside role, and talk about how the role that Richards moved into during 2024 was the one we had ear-marked for Baz etc...the plan was always to build his game from the outside in and now he is entering his prime he should be ready to go...he's going to be an amazing player and how we aren't looking forward to seeing a line-up where the oppo includes his name.

Hand back to Power - talk about similar players and the draft capital exchanged...make it C-L-E-A-R.

Geelong are going to offer unders but if WE DO THE WORK for the media, they will 100% allow us too and quote us...

If we take the 'strong, silent approach' as we did with Dunkley then we are going to get raked over the coals again. I don't understand why we don't get on the front foot with this and try and win the media over.

Bevo's ongoing war and inability to "use" the media is part of it. Too emotional; play 4d chess Luke!

He doesn't have a good relationship with any of the big hitters. Kane, Barrett, Morris.

He has been better this year, and used them well on 360 standing up for Weightman that definitely galvanised the players.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I'm happy with this - but if we are clear going in then we wont cop criticism.

It's well worth the club - it should be Sam Power with Bevo alongside him - coming out and doing a trade primer presser. ALL of the talk will be about Smith. It should be all love and kisses from us and we should 100% include a video montage of all of his great on-field moments that finishes with "The Bulldogs want to thank Bailey for his xx games of incredible service"...and a statement showing all of his achievements.

Bevo should then talk about the role Bailey has played in our side - that outside/inside role, and talk about how the role that Richards moved into during 2024 was the one we had ear-marked for Baz etc...the plan was always to build his game from the outside in and now he is entering his prime he should be ready to go...he's going to be an amazing player and how we aren't looking forward to seeing a line-up where the oppo includes his name.

Hand back to Power - talk about similar players and the draft capital exchanged...make it C-L-E-A-R.

Geelong are going to offer unders but if WE DO THE WORK for the media, they will 100% allow us too and quote us...

If we take the 'strong, silent approach' as we did with Dunkley then we are going to get raked over the coals again. I don't understand why we don't get on the front foot with this and try and win the media over.

This is an outstanding post.Who do we email this to en masse?

[GVGjr]

I'm happy with this - but if we are clear going in then we wont cop criticism.

It's well worth the club - it should be Sam Power with Bevo alongside him - coming out and doing a trade primer presser. ALL of the talk will be about Smith. It should be all love and kisses from us and we should 100% include a video montage of all of his great on-field moments that finishes with "The Bulldogs want to thank Bailey for his xx games of incredible service"...and a statement showing all of his achievements.

Bevo should then talk about the role Bailey has played in our side - that outside/inside role, and talk about how the role that Richards moved into during 2024 was the one we had ear-marked for Baz etc...the plan was always to build his game from the outside in and now he is entering his prime he should be ready to go...he's going to be an amazing player and how we aren't looking forward to seeing a line-up where the oppo includes his name.

Hand back to Power - talk about similar players and the draft capital exchanged...make it C-L-E-A-R.

Geelong are going to offer unders but if WE DO THE WORK for the media, they will 100% allow us too and quote us...

If we take the 'strong, silent approach' as we did with Dunkley then we are going to get raked over the coals again. I don't understand why we don't get on the front foot with this and try and win the media over.

Communication is the key. When the Dunkley trade request happened I can recall Power talking to the media and saying we are flexible with our requests with picks this year or next and even players being included would be considered.

We need to talk up Smith as a player and make it clear we aren't going to lowering our expectations on what we should receive.
Picks this year and next and/or a player being added to the trade will be considered.
Mackie already has a reputation of being a stubborn negotiator so the Media will likely focus on that if we are upfront with our requirements.

[bornadog]

Communication is the key. When the Dunkley trade request happened I can recall Power talking to the media and saying we are flexible with our requests with picks this year or next and even players being included would be considered.

We need to talk up Smith as a player and make it clear we aren't going to lowering our expectations on what we should receive.
Picks this year and next and/or a player being added to the trade will be considered.
Mackie already has a reputation of being a stubborn negotiator so the Media will likely focus on that if we are upfront with our requirements.

This is what I was saying a few pages back, we need to sell Smith and get the best deal. Even see if other clubs are willing to talk to him and sell their Club and convince Smith Geelong is not the only club out there. As Aza said, he is a perfect fit for Sydney the club and Sydney the City.

[Countrydog5]

Wouldn't we have a pick before geelong in the PSD anyway? So if we do run with the PSD threat, we just say sorry Baz it looks like you're with us again, bad luck and we'll go again next year to a team who will actually be reasonable. If we move on Macrae and Daniel we'd have the stupid cash he'd put on his head anyway. Funniest thing is he's a player in a position of need, so it wouldn't even bite us to re-draft him before he got to the cats.

[GVGjr]

Wouldn't we have a pick before geelong in the PSD anyway? So if we do run with the PSD threat, we just say sorry Baz it looks like you're with us again, bad luck and we'll go again next year to a team who will actually be reasonable. If we move on Macrae and Daniel we'd have the stupid cash he'd put on his head anyway. Funniest thing is he's a player in a position of need, so it wouldn't even bite us to re-draft him before he got to the cats.

I think there is some obscure agreement with the PA that clubs won't do that. In my opinion it's a card that we shouldn't play.

[my plums]

I think they would take him in the national rather than the pre-season draft.

[hujsh]

I think they would take him in the national rather than the pre-season draft.

Where we don't have a first round pick

[JanLorMill]

I think they would take him in the national rather than the pre-season draft.
Why is that case? I know it happened with Ball but it didn't happen with Martin.

[my plums]

Why is that case? I know it happened with Ball but it didn't happen with Martin.

They could take him with their first rounder in the national. Riskier in the PSD maybe?

[1eyedog]

Bevo's ongoing war and inability to "use" the media is part of it. Too emotional; play 4d chess Luke!

He doesn't have a good relationship with any of the big hitters. Kane, Barrett, Morris.

He has been better this year, and used them well on 360 standing up for Weightman that definitely galvanised the players.

Agreed we've been very vanilla at every trade period since McCartney left.

[hujsh]

They could take him with their first rounder in the national. Riskier in the PSD maybe?

It's an easy free hit for like 14 other clubs if they have the cap space. Maybe you get Smith invested, maybe you get some free draft picks next year when you trade him. Also we could pick him. In the national draft you have to lose something to pick a guy that doesn't want to be there. Way less chance someone picks him before Geelong's first pick there but not without risk

[JanLorMill]

They could take him with their first rounder in the national. Riskier in the PSD maybe?
That doesn’t really answer my question. Who decides whether he goes in the national or psd?

[chef]

That doesn’t really answer my question. Who decides whether he goes in the national or psd?

Smith decides.

[Hotdog60]

Players have too much power these days and maybe clubs need to get back some of that power by hitting players they want to keep to get them to re commit to the club a year off of out of contract and if they don't want to they are not totally on board ship them out. Get the best price for them and if a year later they want to move at least they have a contract which makes life a little harder.

[FrediKanoute]

Players have too much power these days and maybe clubs need to get back some of that power by hitting players they want to keep to get them to re commit to the club a year off of out of contract and if they don't want to they are not totally on board ship them out. Get the best price for them and if a year later they want to move at least they have a contract which makes life a little harder.

This is basically what happens in soccer football leagues. You don't let a player run down their contract. If they haven't signed and are entering their last year, you look to sell.

[hujsh]

This is basically what happens in soccer football leagues. You don't let a player run down their contract. If they haven't signed and are entering their last year, you look to sell.

Except Mbappe apparently

[Grantysghost]

Something to help the bulimia along.
https://i.postimg.cc/j5D2VF6Y/20241001-213359.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N9wBmbPd)

[jeemak]

Ollie Dempsey.......**** his Geelong face.

[FrediKanoute]

Except Mbappe apparently

Club owned by one of he Gulf Oil States......they don't need to sell. Most other clubs will sell their stars if they don't commit.

[Happy Days]

Ollie Dempsey.......**** his Geelong face.

All that comment says to me is that Dempsey is playing for Richmond next year.

[azabob]

Ollie Dempsey.......**** his Geelong face.

Young Ollie has quickly wormed his way into your heart hasn’t he?

[Glove38]

For someone who has such a fragile mental state - Bailey isn't showing much emotional intelligence on the way out. He either needs to listen to his manager or get one that can give him the appropriate guidance.

[bornadog]

These journos are so biased towards the bigger clubs. Bailey Smith - yeah pick 15 will do it. Rioli yeah pick 6.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

These journos are so biased towards the bigger clubs. Bailey Smith - yeah pick 15 will do it. Rioli yeah pick 6.

What's worse is the actual system. Perryman could fetch a better pick for gws than we'll get for Smith whilst at the same time making what we get for Smith worse.

[GVGjr]

Has anyone heard if Baz will be at the B&F tonight?

[bornadog]

Has anyone heard if Baz will be at the B&F tonight?

Are you going? Let us know if you see him.

[azabob]

Cal Twomey is reporting Smith has officially nominated Geelong.

[jazzadogs]

Cal Twomey is reporting Smith has officially nominated Geelong.

Very selfless of him to announce that an hour before the b&f. What a stain.

[bulldogtragic]

Very selfless of him to announce that an hour before the b&f. What a stain.

Where’s all his defenders at? He’s acting like a ****. Would love to hear why he’s not.

[hujsh]

Not expected to attend either (Macrae is)

[1eyedog]

Every B&F is overshadowed by a player leaving.

[whythelongface]

Very selfless of him to announce that an hour before the b&f. What a stain.

Strange timing. Why wouldn?t you wait till tomorrow? Gotta wonder about his decision making and the advice he is receiving. Anyway at least we can move forward and negotiate hard for a good outcome.

[Bullies]

Strange timing. Why wouldn?t you wait till tomorrow? Gotta wonder about his decision making and the advice he is receiving. Anyway at least we can move forward and negotiate hard for a good outcome. The club won't be able to sign the paper work quick enough to get rid of him.

[G-Mo77]

Not expected to attend either (Macrae is)

How many votes will he poll? He checked out long ago, good riddance to him.

[bornadog]

Strange timing. Why wouldn?t you wait till tomorrow? Gotta wonder about his decision making and the advice he is receiving. Anyway at least we can move forward and negotiate hard for a good outcome.

I am over him.

Cough up Geelong or PSD

[G-Mo77]

I am over him.

Cough up Geelong or PSD

Seriously BAD. If a player was out of contract and wanted to come to us would you expect more than the 1st we have? It's shit for us but I'm honestly not expecting much more than that.

[Rocket Science]

Where’s all his defenders at? He’s acting like a ****. Would love to hear why he’s not.

Another odd but increasingly telling choice for a bloke who shuns the outside gaze while transparently gagging for it.

[G-Mo77]

Another odd but increasingly telling choice for a bloke who shuns the outside gaze while transparently gagging for it.

And plays the mental health card when things get tough.

[bulldogtragic]

Smith couldn’t even be bothered to turn up tonight after the club reiterated he was invited.

[jeemak]

Smith couldn’t even be bothered to turn up tonight after the club reiterated he was invited.

Two sides to every story! Two sides I say!!!!!

What needs to happen tonight is that nobody even mentions his name at the event. He's not referred to, not a single question about him being asked.

[Grantysghost]

He's defintely not here

Jacko and Macrae are

Seems like he announced it whilst I was in having pre drinks with the players. Where he should have been.

[jeemak]

He's defintely not here

Jacko and Macrae are

Seems like he announced it whilst I was in having pre drinks with the players. Where he should have been.

Both Jacko and Macrae are made of the right stuff. Bullgods.

[Grantysghost]

Both Jacko and Macrae are made of the right stuff. Bullgods.
Ha god. I'm not even drinking.

Jacko and Caleb.

[angelopetraglia]

I hope that once this trade is done, someone leaks our side of the story to the media. He needs to be thrown under a bus. I'm sick of him.

[Go_Dogs]

My god… this is just shameful.

Invited despite everything.
Elects to not attend.
Elects to announce his club of choice (not a secret I guess) an hour before the event.

It’s just so weird.

Did they literally just decide this afternoon (as I’m sure the manager will have you believe) or have they sat on this waiting for this bizarre time to announce it to stick it into us once more cos WGAF?

Weird.

[jeemak]

Yeah it's a bit narcissistic. Not surprising.

He's carrying on as if he's someone who hits leading targets inside fifty.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I'd actually be interested in how the playing group feel about it. If I was there, I'd be asking that question instead of avoiding it.

[josie]

That’s appalling timing.

Do you think Cats or his manager have anything to do with the timing? And if so what would be reasoning? So no other team wants him except the Cats ie a missile to say take whatever low ball offer we put on table…and with Oliver potentially available and Cats interested that offer to us could be ridiculously low.

Really selfish act. Still cannot believe it.

[WBFC4FFC]

That’s appalling timing.

Do you think Cats or his manager have anything to do with the timing? And if so what would be reasoning? So no other team wants him except the Cats ie a missile to say take whatever low ball offer we put on table…and with Oliver potentially available and Cats interested that offer to us could be ridiculously low.

Really selfish act. Still cannot believe it.

Outdoing what George Constanza could even scheme.

All a ploy to make the Bullies accept unders. I am looking through it.

[jeemak]

That’s appalling timing.

Do you think Cats or his manager have anything to do with the timing? And if so what would be reasoning? So no other team wants him except the Cats ie a missile to say take whatever low ball offer we put on table…and with Oliver potentially available and Cats interested that offer to us could be ridiculously low.

Really selfish act. Still cannot believe it.

More so the standing invite was tokenistic and Smith knew it, so he decided to make it about himself. Like any scorned lover might.

Such a poor example of how a well educated, and privileged person should behave. All that "elite" education money well spent, I guess.

[whythelongface]

Can we change title to Unwelcome.

Sorry now I am sounding like a scorned lover

[ledge]

I'd actually be interested in how the playing group feel about it. If I was there, I'd be asking that question instead of avoiding it.

Bont and Libba unfollowed him on insta apparently but are still following Dunkley , I think that says a bit without saying anything.

[GVGjr]

I'd actually be interested in how the playing group feel about it. If I was there, I'd be asking that question instead of avoiding it.

When he trained with the group prior to the finals I reported that he did the 1 on 1 kicking drills in the warm-up with Alex Johnson not one of the other players. I don't think the players are dirty on him but they probably realised that he was done with us and he was best left by himself.