Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Nailed it RS.

He has referenced Bailey's openness with his mental health issues because it clearly diminishes him in Dermott's eyes, and means he can't possibly act in a way that doesn't conform with the stigma that he's applied to him for showing vulnerability as a "man".

Just an average human.

I'd be happy for the club to maybe ask for a please explain regarding this part of his comments.

Yeah it's because of people exactly like him (and there are many in the footballing world) that we still have persistent issues with mental health, racism, sexism etc. The worst part is, these sorts think they get it. It's their ignorance that is the problem. I'll never forget Mick Molloy's response to a caller on MMM regarding sexism. In his attempt to "stick up" for women, he was sexist in the process. Oh and then there's Eddie and Sam Newman.

[Rocket Science]

Nailed it RS.

He has referenced Bailey's openness with his mental health issues because it clearly diminishes him in Dermott's eyes, and means he can't possibly act in a way that doesn't conform with the stigma that he's applied to him for showing vulnerability as a "man".

Just an average human.

I'd be happy for the club to maybe ask for a please explain regarding this part of his comments.

Bevo has a history of being very protective of his charges, notably on this topic, and a tendency to file things for later reference.

His next presser might be interesting.

[Ozza]

For me its a trickier one.

When I see players from other teams get in our players' faces after a mark or goal - it really annoys me.

There's no doubting that Bailey Smith is a serial 'offender' in this regard - but obviously I also liking him playing on the edge.

That it comes from Dermott, and that he referenced the mental health stuff - takes away from the credibility of the discussion.

[SonofScray]

Just thought since Dermott is going all "Won't somebody think of the children" I should check back what his history on Toby Greene is like.

I've only bothered to go back to 2017 using the search terms "Dermott Brereton Toby Greene".


After Toby Greene got done for two weeks for jumper punching Alex Rance Dermott said in this article (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/toby-greene-is-no-grub-despite-his-latest-suspension-according-to-dermott-brereton/news-story/5e2a4eea3ed28a04c05c288dcfe39f64) that:

(Which is a very weird definition of a dirty player btw and also exactly fits all of Toby's later incidents)

and

So no proper condemning his behaviour, just that he thinks Toby will need to grow out of it at some stage. And he's right, those damn do gooders have always turned around and judged innocently competitive guys like Toby in a dim light. Can't they see that he just hates losing?


Regardless, maybe Dermott will show a different vantage point in this article (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-360-hawthorn-champion-jason-dunstall-and-dermott-brereton-disagree-over-toby-greene-incident/news-story/479c1658adc3765851ccde5a4eba1b0f) after a certain Luke D...no that's too obvious...L Dahlhaus got kicked in the face, and then a few weeks later a bunch of Swans kept running into Toby's boots for like no reason.




Ah I see, if the umpires don't call it it's all in the spirit of the game. I expect the umpiring department will be coming out any day now to declare Bailey's actions should have resulted in a free due to "failure to uphold the games spirit".


Oh well surely this article (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-toby-greene-suspension-tribunal-appeals-board-dermott-brereton-gws-giants-collingwood-mcg/news-story/b1b089c724861bf8c390737ef08e84ae) published days after Greene got himself suspended for a Prelim for eye gouging in two finals in a row will clarify Dermotts position better.



He's right, Toby was just trying to put the opposition at unease. Sticking his fingers in key players eyes two weeks in a row is fine, just as long as he doesn't rake them in the process. Oh and the fact he didn't put his fingers in the players mouth and pull also demonstrates how he showed an appropriate duty of care. I wish Bailey restrained himself when he furiously stepped over Brad Sheppard.


Anyway just glad Dermott is holding Bailey to account for stepping over a player confidently and getting in the face of an absolute cheap shot merchant (who plays for a club that has repetitively gone the niggle at every opportunity including in the exact game he was referring to). Definitely can't see any inconsistency in Dermott's opinions, all I see is two players, one who just plays on the edge, hates losing and is continually judged in a dim light by a bunch of "do gooders" while performing in the umpire endorsed "spirit of the game", and another who solely punches down and loves to belittle "good citizens of our sport" despite having admitted to mental health issues that rule him ineligible for that kind of behaviour.
Yep. This is what the kids call being "pwned"

[Testekill]

You have to think that it's Bailey's openness about his mental health issues that let Dermott be comfortable about calling him out for perceived hypocrisy while having no problem with the dirtiest prick in the league.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

For me its a trickier one.

When I see players from other teams get in our players' faces after a mark or goal - it really annoys me.

There's no doubting that Bailey Smith is a serial 'offender' in this regard - but obviously I also liking him playing on the edge.

That it comes from Dermott, and that he referenced the mental health stuff - takes away from the credibility of the discussion.

Same here. And if that's what Bailey was doing I wouldn't support it. But the context has been lost in all of this, as is so often the case these days.

[Ozza]

Same here. And if that's what Bailey was doing I wouldn't support it. But the context has been lost in all of this, as is so often the case these days.

You haven't seen Bailey do this?

[jeemak]

I like how in the minds of Dermie and his ilk everyone was a complete reprobate during their playing days and he wasn't an outlier as an arsehole who hit and stood on peoples faces.

The common catch cry is that "people know they can give lip without consequences", as if anyone who mouthed off in yesteryear's game got whacked for it.

[Bulldog4life]

Yeah it's because of people exactly like him (and there are many in the footballing world) that we still have persistent issues with mental health, racism, sexism etc. The worst part is, these sorts think they get it. It's their ignorance that is the problem. I'll never forget Mick Molloy's response to a caller on MMM regarding sexism. In his attempt to "stick up" for women, he was sexist in the process. Oh and then there's Eddie and Sam Newman.

I'd just about forgotten him. Now I'll have to rub him out of my mind again.

[bornadog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx03jh_eVE0&ab_channel=Michael

[Grantysghost]

Seriously Bailey - first the season launch, now this ... YOU'RE WEARING THE WRONG JACKET! Mercedes don't need free advertising :cool:

Thanks for sharing BAD.

[bornadog]

Seriously Bailey - first the season launch, now this ... YOU'RE WEARING THE WRONG JACKET! Mercedes don't need free advertising :cool:

Thanks for sharing BAD.

Maybe he drives one

[Grantysghost]

Maybe he drives one

The current one isn't too shabby either :

https://shop.westernbulldogs.com.au/2021-western-bulldogs-asics-wet-weather-jacket/

[bornadog]

The current one isn't too shabby either :

https://shop.westernbulldogs.com.au/2021-western-bulldogs-asics-wet-weather-jacket/

I really hate the blue they are using, too light in colour.

[Grantysghost]

I really hate the blue they are using, too light in colour.

It's vibrant blue, taking a leaf from the Tiger's vibrant yellow.

[1eyedog]

$#% Dermot is an idiot. Mental health doesn't work like that man c'mon if that's how you think you should not be commenting on these types of issues. He's not banking credits you moron he's being open and shedding light on these issues for the benefit of all who struggle. Kudos needs to be given you idiot your comments (if anyone actually takes heed), actually undoes much of the courageous dialogue people like Bailey bring to the issue.

Does Dermot even understand that his comments have really no value or meaning? He's at risk of others having second thoughts about speaking out on what is a very important issue to address.

[EasternWest]

Does Dermot even understand.

Imma stop you there.

[bulldogtragic]

So a question. Smith is in the 22 come finals, obviously. But where does he play?

I have Bont, Macrae, Libba, Dunks & Treloar ahead of him in the guts.

The backline is full.

Can he be this finals series version of Clay Smith? He’s a clear upgrade on JJ. He loves to tackle and has burst speed and an awesome ‘don’t argue’, as well as being a good mark. Unlike JJ, you know he only knows one way which is to crack in at 100%. If he brings that with Weightman & Naughton the same, plus maybe JUH and Garcia, there’s a bit of an edge of finals pressure to the forward line. He seems to have Smith/Picken style forward attributes who can also take a run in the middle. Can we refocus him with Dunks & Treloar back? I don’t trust JJ in this role and under pressure. Such a move could help overall.

The alternative is put him on the wing where he has looked a bit lost this year.

So if you accept the mids above start in front of him, where can he make the most impact on the ground?

[azabob]

BT, I like it, I really do.

He hits the scoreboard, I’m on board.

[dog town]

So a question. Smith is in the 22 come finals, obviously. But where does he play?

I have Bont, Macrae, Libba, Dunks & Treloar ahead of him in the guts.

The backline is full.

Can he be this finals series version of Clay Smith? He’s a clear upgrade on JJ. He loves to tackle and has burst speed and an awesome ‘don’t argue’, as well as being a good mark. Unlike JJ, you know he only knows one way which is to crack in at 100%. If he brings that with Weightman & Naughton the same, plus maybe JUH and Garcia, there’s a bit of an edge of finals pressure to the forward line. He seems to have Smith/Picken style forward attributes who can also take a run in the middle. Can we refocus him with Dunks & Treloar back? I don’t trust JJ in this role and under pressure. Such a move could help overall.

The alternative is put him on the wing where he has looked a bit lost this year.

So if you accept the mids above start in front of him, where can he make the most impact on the ground? I don’t think he is outside our best 5-6 mids but he is the one that can transition to a wing the easiest. He will slot back into his wing I think. He isn’t as good there but better for the team overall.

MCG suits him as well.

[bulldogtragic]

BT, I like it, I really do.

He hits the scoreboard, I’m on board.

If this is a thing, I wonder if we give him say the Hawthorn game there to see if it’s worth pursuing. I think we need a proof of concept.

[Happy Days]

Smith had 36 and 2 goals in round one at the G on a wing. He’s got it in him to be full on elite there.

[boydogs]

Smith should be used like a Cooney or Judd, clearance player with burst speed and long kicking. Don't like him on the wing where you want endurance running to get involved in the play at both ends, uncontested marks and precision passing

[Raw Toast]

I don’t think he is outside our best 5-6 mids but he is the one that can transition to a wing the easiest. He will slot back into his wing I think. He isn’t as good there but better for the team overall.

MCG suits him as well.

Baz is a bit of a conundrum I think. While I agree that he can transition to the wing, I don't like the way he tends to run harder when we have the ball, as opposed to when the opposition have it. In contrast, I love the way Ed Richards uses his speed on the wing as a defensive weapon that makes us significantly better in defensive transition. Of course Smith (and JJ when he's on the wing) could do this, they just don't do it as well, or as often. Or at least that's how I see it.

On the other hand, I don't like the idea of Baz replacing JJ who seems to have got what is required of his forward role and has been doing the defensive pressure bits of it much better over the past 4-6 weeks or so.

It's a good problem to have, and maybe we can increase some rotating between our forwards and mids if we ever get all our key mids healthy. Having both Treloar and Smith as largely outside players who can be brought into the trenches late in games and quarters could be a significant advantage (like when Treloar came into the centre-square for most of the final quarter of our first game against the Eagles).

It will be interesting if we get all of them back, because we probably lose a bit of a defensive mid-option as well that Bevo has used a bit of late. Initially McLean was rushed back in to play more of a stopper role, and now Roarke seems to be doing that a bit.

[AshMac]

Baz is a bit of a conundrum I think. While I agree that he can transition to the wing, I don't like the way he tends to run harder when we have the ball, as opposed to when the opposition have it.

The contrast between his strength and ferocity when being tackled vs when doing the tackling is huge.

[dog town]

Baz is a bit of a conundrum I think. While I agree that he can transition to the wing, I don't like the way he tends to run harder when we have the ball, as opposed to when the opposition have it. In contrast, I love the way Ed Richards uses his speed on the wing as a defensive weapon that makes us significantly better in defensive transition. Of course Smith (and JJ when he's on the wing) could do this, they just don't do it as well, or as often. Or at least that's how I see it.

On the other hand, I don't like the idea of Baz replacing JJ who seems to have got what is required of his forward role and has been doing the defensive pressure bits of it much better over the past 4-6 weeks or so.

It's a good problem to have, and maybe we can increase some rotating between our forwards and mids if we ever get all our key mids healthy. Having both Treloar and Smith as largely outside players who can be brought into the trenches late in games and quarters could be a significant advantage (like when Treloar came into the centre-square for most of the final quarter of our first game against the Eagles).

It will be interesting if we get all of them back, because we probably lose a bit of a defensive mid-option as well that Bevo has used a bit of late. Initially McLean was rushed back in to play more of a stopper role, and now Roarke seems to be doing that a bit.

No doubt he loses some impact on the wing. The difficult part is finding a balance if we get everyone back. At some point if we are replacing one gun mid with another it’s actually just netting off.

The others definitely can’t play wing and Smith as you say has been questionable, I still think he fills a need there if we can’t squeeze him in.

It’s possible you could roll all 6 through the middle and half forward but it’s a real juggle as you need to be at your quickest, most alert and defensively active if resting forward. This is even more important if we play 3-3.5 talls. You also have your front line mids who we want in as often as possible.

I have been involved in scenarios where you flick it around by quarter or half quarters. It just depends on your appetite for complexity with these things. I like the idea of trying to find an edge with it as you say by releasing someone into the midfield late.

[Mofra]

I love this conversation.

"We have too many gun midfielders" is one of the best problems I can ever remember us having as a club. Our best football this year coincided with Treloar and Dunkley being in the side along side Macrae, Bont, Smith and Libba.

[dog town]

I love this conversation.

"We have too many gun midfielders" is one of the best problems I can ever remember us having as a club. Our best football this year coincided with Treloar and Dunkley being in the side along side Macrae, Bont, Smith and Libba.
I agree with that, I think seeing Smith in a genuine midfield role has reminded us how good he is and challenges whether we can find a way to keep him off the wing.

[bornadog]

I find Smith really frustrating at the moment, especially with his disposal. His handballing needs to be fixed, his long kicking down the line is also frustrating as he seems to turn the ball over more than he should.

Defensively, he has a lot to learn, especially when he is at the centre bounces - allowing his opponent to just run away.

I know he has been dicked around alot this year with all the midfield options we have, but he needs to be better than he has been.

[comrade]

I find Smith really frustrating at the moment, especially with his disposal. His handballing needs to be fixed, his long kicking down the line is also frustrating as he seems to turn the ball over more than he should.

Defensively, he has a lot to learn, especially when he is at the centre bounces - allowing his opponent to just run away.

I know he has been dicked around alot this year with all the midfield options we have, but he needs to be better than he has been.

I’m with you, he’s in lala land more often than not. I think we have too many mids in the side as it is.

[bulldogtragic]

I’m with you, he’s in lala land more often than not. I think we have too many mids in the side as it is.

I’d make him watch the 2016 finals and tell him to replicate Clay Smith forward.

[Grantysghost]

I’d make him watch the 2016 finals and tell him to replicate Clay Smith forward.

It's an interesting point, he's young his time will come why can't he play a role for us. He doesn't have to be our Peter Matera yet. He can be Phil for a while.

[bulldogtragic]

It's an interesting point, he's young his time will come why can't he play a role for us. He doesn't have to be our Peter Matera yet. He can be Phil for a while.

Yep. A defined role he can focus on where his strengths can make a real difference. Phil is fine for now! :D

[Mantis]

I’d make him watch the 2016 finals and tell him to replicate Clay Smith forward.

He doesn't have it in his DNA to play this role... it's either line breaking midfielder or bust.

[soupman]

He's very frustrating. Can do some amazing stuff in the contest, but if he is running with ball in hand and can't just kick long into the forwardline then I am very concerned. That kick out of defence late in the game yesterday was unsatisfactory to say the least.

[comrade]

He's very frustrating. Can do some amazing stuff in the contest, but if he is running with ball in hand and can't just kick long into the forwardline then I am very concerned. That kick out of defence late in the game yesterday was unsatisfactory to say the least.

At such a critical time, it was a diabolical decision you could see him making from a mile away. His decision making is as poor as anyone’s in the side.

[Bulldog4life]

Yet strange how he is 5th in WOOF voting. Must be some bad judges on here. :(

[soupman]

At such a critical time, it was a diabolical decision you could see him making from a mile away. His decision making is as poor as anyone’s in the side.

Truly throw the remote at the tv stuff.

[1eyedog]

Yet strange how he is 5th in WOOF voting. Must be some bad judges on here. :(

It just highlights the gap between his best and his worst.

[Testekill]

At such a critical time, it was a diabolical decision you could see him making from a mile away. His decision making is as poor as anyone’s in the side.

He literally kicked it straight to Laverde, Laverde didn't even have to move to intercept it because it was straight down his throat.

[comrade]

He literally kicked it straight to Laverde, Laverde didn't even have to move to intercept it because it was straight down his throat.

Sad thing is you could see that was exactly what he was going to do way before he did it.

[bulldogtragic]

Sad thing is you could see that was exactly what he was going to do way before he did it.

Before my time actually doing stuff with no footy, the debate was is Walsh really that much better than Smith. Fast forward. That’s not even a question. How was his year last year and why is he a shadow of that debut year which was stunning?

[1eyedog]

Before my time actually doing stuff with no footy, the debate was is Walsh really that much better than Smith. Fast forward. That’s not even a question. How was his year last year and why is he a shadow of that debut year which was stunning?

Is it partly due to the opposition putting time into him? I'm sure this is also happening to Walsh but some players deal with it and progress out of it quicker than others.

[comrade]

Before my time actually doing stuff with no footy, the debate was is Walsh really that much better than Smith. Fast forward. That’s not even a question. How was his year last year and why is he a shadow of that debut year which was stunning?

Biggest difference between Walsh and Smith is decision making under pressure. Walsh has ice running through his veins and consistently makes good decisions, Baz is a panic merchant. Hopefully it improves with time and experience.

[Happy Days]

Before my time actually doing stuff with no footy, the debate was is Walsh really that much better than Smith. Fast forward. That’s not even a question. How was his year last year and why is he a shadow of that debut year which was stunning?

Shadow is a bit much. He'd been excellent in pretty much every game post bye up until the weekend.

Gotta say I find the lack of enthusiasm for Smith's game to be stunning. We should be thrilled we have him.

[Grantysghost]

Biggest difference between Walsh and Smith is decision making under pressure. Walsh has ice running through his veins and consistently makes good decisions, Baz is a panic merchant. Hopefully it improves with time and experience.

Walsh is outstanding with his decisions. They've hit the jackpot he has Hird written all over him.

Bailey, I don't think he's a panic merchant but sometimes his decision making isn't especially good under real or perceived pressure. His skills are fine from what I can see, what he chooses to do with them at times.. Needs some work :)

[Grantysghost]

Shadow is a bit much. He'd been excellent in pretty much every game post bye up until the weekend.

Gotta say I find the lack of enthusiasm for Smith's game to be stunning. We should be thrilled we have him.

Very much agree.

[Axe Man]

Shadow is a bit much. He'd been excellent in pretty much every game post bye up until the weekend.

Gotta say I find the lack of enthusiasm for Smith's game to be stunning. We should be thrilled we have him.

Agreed. The criticism of Bailey has been well over the top. I would rather a player that gets the ball and tries to create than one that either can't get it or always takes safe options. I think he can tidy up his disposal and decision making as he matures.

[bulldogtragic]

Shadow is a bit much. He'd been excellent in pretty much every game post bye up until the weekend.

Gotta say I find the lack of enthusiasm for Smith's game to be stunning. We should be thrilled we have him.

It’s an honest question not having seen one game on his in 2020. The end of 2019 he looked destined to be a dead set star of the comp by now, such was his stunning 2019. That’s not where his 2021 season has been at. I asked about what his 2020 was like not having seen it and I also asked why he progression hasn’t come on as hoped. Feel free to answer them, because I want to know what people think. I know I didn’t suggest trading him or say I wasn’t unhappy that we have him. But he has had poor runs this season and his decision making can be sketchy and disposal sketchy too. I’m not sure anyone who sees that lacks enthusiasm.

He’s young and will only get better. Perhaps shadow is too emotive a word, but thought it apt in consideration; of him being one of the best first season players we’ve had. So I will rephrase it:

I didn’t see Bailey play in 2020.
How was Bailey’s 2020?
Considering his outstanding, brilliant 2019 and his patchy 2021 - why has his trajectory seemingly levelled off?

[Happy Days]

His 2020 looked like taking off before he was concussed and took about a month to recover. There was some excellent displays mixed in with some quiet performances, but I think he didn't quite deliver on the hype. I honestly find it hard to attribute anything to the 2020 season given the state of the game, between the reduced quarters, hubs and worldwide malaise, were just so radically different to the game that the players are actually employed to play. But Smith was fine if not a little underwhelming, and his 2021 is better.

He's a really eye catching player and a lot of his possessions come on the end of extended runs, which sort of lends itself to equally eye catching disposal errors, but the errors he makes are the type that you'd think would improve with seasoning.

His debut season was awesome but statistically he's improved everywhere, and he's regularly having games where he's in our best 3-4 players. He's clearly getting better but maybe not at the rate that was expected, which is totally fine.

[bulldogtragic]

His 2020 looked like taking off before he was concussed and took about a month to recover. There was some excellent displays mixed in with some quiet performances, but I think he didn't quite deliver on the hype. I honestly find it hard to attribute anything to the 2020 season given the state of the game, between the reduced quarters, hubs and worldwide malaise, were just so radically different to the game that the players are actually employed to play. But Smith was fine if not a little underwhelming, and his 2021 is better.

He's a really eye catching player and a lot of his possessions come on the end of extended runs, which sort of lends itself to equally eye catching disposal errors, but the errors he makes are the type that you'd think would improve with seasoning.

His debut season was awesome but statistically he's improved everywhere, and he's regularly having games where he's in our best 3-4 players. He's clearly getting better but maybe not at the rate that was expected, which is totally fine.

Appreciate it HD. Thanks.

[bornadog]

Agreed. The criticism of Bailey has been well over the top. I would rather a player that gets the ball and tries to create than one that either can't get it or always takes safe options. I think he can tidy up his disposal and decision making as he matures.

The only criticism I have given him is his disposals by hand, and his long kicking to no one. Besides that, he is destined to be a gun mid, but is currently behind Bont, Macrae, Dunks, Libba and Adz - still only 20, and plenty of time to learn his trade.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

There's no doubt Bailey has some deficiencies to work on, but none of them seem insurmountable to a bloke with as much talent and professionalism, s as he exhibits.
We are damn fortunate he fell into our laps due to his inability to play for a lot of his final under 18 year. Any other year and he would've been in contention for a top 3 pick.
He's not missed a game with us since he was drafted. That's almost 3 years! He is a jet and will only get better.
If he was suddenly put on the market, I think most clubs would fall over themselves trying to secure him.
Bailey is one I'd like us to factor into a 4 or 5 year deal and secure him for the long term.

[boydogs]

Bailey's got this weird thing with his kicking where he's like the opposite of Daniel and Macrae, he can only kick it really straight so he has this Redpath sized turning circle because he can't kick around the corner. He will banana it or use his left if he doesn't have time to turn because he can't kick it inside out or with a bent leg. If you apply frontal pressure to him he tries to use his pace to sort of run around then kick back to his target on an angle which he miskicks a lot

He's really good with low kicks to a leading player and accurate long kicks though

[1eyedog]

The only criticism I have given him is his disposals by hand, and his long kicking to no one. Besides that, he is destined to be a gun mid, but is currently behind Bont, Macrae, Dunks, Libba and Adz - still only 20, and plenty of time to learn his trade.

I think composure will come with experience. I don't think he has disposal issues I think he has issues with composure under pressure and I think these will be ironed out in the next 12 months. He's an out and out super star and while he's not untouchable talk of trading him is bordering on ludicrous.

[comrade]

Bailey's got this weird thing with his kicking where he's like the opposite of Daniel and Macrae, he can only kick it really straight so he has this Redpath sized turning circle because he can't kick around the corner. He will banana it or use his left if he doesn't have time to turn because he can't kick it inside out or with a bent leg. If you apply frontal pressure to him he tries to use his pace to sort of run around then kick back to his target on an angle which he miskicks a lot

He's really good with low kicks to a leading player and accurate long kicks though

Yeah, it’s a good point and it’s frustrating. I don’t know whether he lacks agility or he doesn’t trust his kicking depth to cut back inside on the angle but he’s basically a straight line footballer only and opposition have worked out how to pressure him into making mistakes.

[comrade]

I think composure will come with experience. I don't think he has disposal issues I think he has issues with composure under pressure and I think these will be ironed out in the next 12 months. He's an out and out super star and while he's not untouchable talk of trading him is bordering on ludicrous.

Collingwood says they'll trade Darcy Moore in exchange for Baz, what do you say?

[bornadog]

Collingwood says they'll trade Darcy Moore in exchange for Baz, what do you say?

Done

[soupman]

Collingwood says they'll trade Darcy Moore in exchange for Baz, what do you say?

I'd throw them a draft pick as well to secure it.

[Grantysghost]

Collingwood says they'll trade Darcy Moore in exchange for Baz, what do you say?

The Pies would never entertain a Moore trade. But yes.

[1eyedog]

Collingwood says they'll trade Darcy Moore in exchange for Baz, what do you say?

Sam Power is already signing the paperwork.

Like I said he's not untouchable but Moore really would be the perfect player for us.

[comrade]

Cool, so everyone is on the same page as me.

[bulldogtragic]

Cool, so everyone is on the same page as me.

So a straight swap?

Smith about $350,000-$400,000 next year
Moore on $825,000 next year

Clubs swapping contract. Or you pay Moore, we pay Smith ($400,000 difference)

[jeemak]

Baz is definitely tradeable, like pretty much anyone. Just has to be a super sexy offer.

I can start a trade Baz thread any time anyone wants me to. It's almost a year ago to the day that I started that other trade thread.

[Axe Man]

So a straight swap?

Smith about $350,000-$400,000 next year
Moore on $825,000 next year

Clubs swapping contract. Or you pay Moore, we pay Smith ($400,000 difference)

Even Ned Guy after a week long bender wouldn't do that deal. Maybe throw in Will Hayes as a sweetener? :rolleyes:

[comrade]

Baz is definitely tradeable, like pretty much anyone. Just has to be a super sexy offer.

I can start a trade Baz thread any time anyone wants me to. It's almost a year ago to the day that I started that other trade thread.

Baz is our most tradeable asset by far, imo, in terms of being able to get a substantial return AND not having a significant impact on our performance if we lost him.

[bulldogtragic]

Even Ned Guy after a week long bender wouldn't do that deal. Maybe throw in Will Hayes as a sweetener? :rolleyes:

It was a question. The word ‘Or’ tends to indicate multiple options given to the contributor. Along with the preceding question about straight swap. I wanted to understand the terms of a proposed trade. You can keep Hayes.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Baz is our most tradeable asset by far, imo, in terms of being able to get a substantial return AND not having a significant impact on our performance if we lost him.

Still a chance he becomes our best mid in 2 years though.

I think he gets lost in space which is why he isn't effective as a winger. He's best used in the heat of the battle, using his pace to break away from stoppage. Unfortunately his disposal by hand is awful, so he's prone to errors which can be costly. I think his kicking is fine, but his decision making is average.

For mine he won't catch Sam Walsh, Sam's just a better and more complete player. But Smith can still become a top line mid in the game.

Smith is at his best playing on edge - he took this out of his game after Derm's comments earlier in the year and it took him a long while to find it again. Post bye he's been very good, last week he was poor.

I want to see him keep working on his positioning (it can be really bad defensively at times) and ball handling (needs to improve his hands).

[jazzadogs]

I think if Baz was in a team where he wasn't the fifth or sixth best midfielder (almost any other team in the competition), he would be shining a lot brighter. Walsh has had an amazing year as Carlton's #1 - I wonder how Baz would have looked with the same opportunity and consistency of role?

Baz for Moore, maybe Weitering, I would consider - but I would also be disappointed. I think our long-term future will benefit from having Baz in the side, he is a genuine A-grade talent.

[Grantysghost]

Baz is our most tradeable asset by far, imo, in terms of being able to get a substantial return AND not having a significant impact on our performance if we lost him.

I'm not sure about that. He has speed that not many of our mids possess. Treloar now yes, but he only has a couple of years left. I wouldn't be trading him.

[1eyedog]

We'd be stupid not to entertain a Baz + some for a Moore / Weitering-type trade but that is never going to happen, it's a pipe dream. Outside of an elite key back I wouldn't trade him.

[bulldogtragic]

So I’ve been doing something strange, really thinking about a straight swap Smith for Moore today. I’m listening, but I’m not across the line. I’d want something extra, not a lot but maybe:

- Future Pick swap, within the same Round (next year), or
- Some salary, not a huge amount (least interest to me),
- Swap of fringe players (Something like Lynch to Ruck for us - Young to cover KPD options for them)


I think I could get behind a trade. So Smith is tradable. But ideally with something else baked in to the cake.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

So I’ve been doing something strange, really thinking about a straight swap Smith for Moore today. I’m listening, but I’m not across the line. I’d want something extra, not a lot but maybe:

- Future Pick swap, within the same Round (next year), or
- Some salary, not a huge amount (least interest to me),
- Swap of fringe players (Something like Lynch to Ruck for us - Young to cover KPD options for them)


I think I could get behind a trade. So Smith is tradable. But ideally with something else baked in to the cake.

For the first time ever.
Booo!!!!

First Jeemak with sustained campaign to get rid of Dunkley..and now you???? Et tu BT??

[hujsh]

For the first time ever.
Booo!!!!

First Jeemak with sustained campaign to get rid of Dunkley..and now you???? Et tu BT??


He's mad with power. First Richards is on the scrap heap and now Smith. All so he can figure out even more intricate trade deals and win the WOOF 2021 like/thanks award for the most likes/thanks.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

He's mad with power. First Richards is on the scrap heap and now Smith. All so he can figure out even more intricate trade deals and win the WOOF 2021 like/thanks award for the most likes/thanks.

He's turned into Evil Sam Power!!

[jeemak]

He's turned into Evil Sam Power!!

This story has been loosely based on the battle between good Sam Power and Evil Sam Power during trade week. It depicts Evil Sam Power's willingness to gamble away our talent to fulfill his Machiavellian pursuits, and not take no for an answer. The names and specifics of the storyline have been altered for confidentiality and rights purposes, but there's a clear lesson learned here by Evil Sam Power and it's that Good Sam Power has the smarts and technology to stay at least one step ahead at all times.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUa3k4vHeQ

[bulldogtragic]

Collingwood says they'll trade Darcy Moore in exchange for Baz, what do you say?

Yes. Let’s sort out the fine details.

[comrade]

Yes. Let’s sort out the fine details.

Collingwood would laugh.

[bulldogtragic]

Collingwood would laugh.

Here’s hoping they didn’t watch him the last six quarters. He’s a liability right now and I’m trying to cut him slack, but there’s a limit. If I had to pick three words to describe him the last six quarters:

Shanks. Panic. Dumb (decision maker).

I watch the highlights where Ed Richards got concussed earlier this season. Smith gets the ball looks up, sees Richards and his opponent coming from behind and gave Richards a hospital handball, and a concussion.

He reminds me of Koby Stevens more and more.

[comrade]

I can’t unsee Koby Stevens now, BT. Thanks.

[bulldogtragic]

I can’t unsee Koby Stevens now, BT. Thanks.

You’re welcome. I’ve been waiting a while/more games before saying it. When I saw the panicked handball from him that give Richards a concussion I was thinking I haven’t seen that kind of stuff since Koby Stevens. A lot of the issues that held Koby back are similar to Bailey.

If I try to dispassionately look at him. Yes, he’s got speed, can burst away from play, can and does tackle. Can generate good numbers too.

On the flip side. His left foot is very bad. His right foot is long and not generally creative. His decision making is generally poor. His defensive work is sketchy (see Wingard today). He’s good for a brain fade a game (see not rushing a goal today). He is frequently panicked under pressure while compounds decision making. His hands can be sketchy and put team mates in more trouble (see Richards concussion). He’s ranked 18th for Total Turnovers across the entire comp (confirms the above). He’s going well under 50/50 for shot accuracy and is prone to miss altogether.

It’s not all good. And it’s not all bad. Like Koby. And to the question you asked the other day, would you trade him for something really good (Moore)? I would. Which would probably be the best thing for him to play inside mid all the time.

[1eyedog]

You need to get off this Moore thing man it's not happening.

[bulldogtragic]

You need to get off this Moore thing man it's not happening.

That’s what you took away? The question posed by Comrade was Moore. Hence answered. For the avoidance of doubt and full clarity, I would trade Bailey Smith for a suitably decent player irrespective of a surname.

[Happy Days]

Bailey Smith was just about our best player for six weeks and now he’s Koby Stevens because of two off games where the entire team was horrible? Come on.

[1eyedog]

That’s what you took away? The question posed by Comrade was Moore. Hence answered. For the avoidance of doubt and full clarity, I would trade Bailey Smith for a suitably decent player irrespective of a surname.

I know you posted it about 10 time today already

[comrade]

Bailey Smith was just about our best player for six weeks and now he’s Koby Stevens because of two off games where the entire team was horrible? Come on.

No he wasn’t.

[bulldogtragic]

Bailey Smith was just about our best player for six weeks and now he’s Koby Stevens because of two off games where the entire team was horrible? Come on.

I think it’s a fair stretch to say just about our best player. And the 2 months before that he looked lost. Koby could play, it’s not a put down, but he had limitations though. I’m seeing similar limitations in Smith, whilst acknowledging he can play. His last two games have been absolutely putrid. But that’s not the basis for the comparison I’m starting to see.

[The bulldog tragician]

Here’s hoping they didn’t watch him the last six quarters. He’s a liability right now and I’m trying to cut him slack, but there’s a limit. If I had to pick three words to describe him the last six quarters:

Shanks. Panic. Dumb (decision maker).

I watch the highlights where Ed Richards got concussed earlier this season. Smith gets the ball looks up, sees Richards and his opponent coming from behind and gave Richards a hospital handball, and a concussion.

He reminds me of Koby Stevens more and more.

This might be one for the more, ahem, mature members of WOOF but I see Nigel Kellett in him, speed and dash but good decision making perennially eluded him. Baz is still very young. 20!!

[bulldogtragic]

This might be one for the more, ahem, mature members of WOOF but I see Nigel Kellett in him, speed and dash but good decision making perennially eluded him. Baz is still very young. 20!!

I loved Nige!!! Those poor decision making skills capped his career at just 101 games though. Baz has time sure. But I see some early warning signs. I think he will want a very good contract next year and I’m reluctant to support that. He’s under contract this year so we will see. I’d be interested to know how you break those Nige or Koby type parts of their game, or if you can. Both Nige & Koby never could.

P.S. Nice historical player reference!

[The Pie Man]

Anyone catch Baz’s latest anti lockdown Instagram story?

Whoahboy

[jeemak]

Anyone catch Baz’s latest anti lockdown Instagram story?

Whoahboy

No....please share.

[Grantysghost]

https://i.postimg.cc/zfBzCQJ5/Screenshot-20210818-155350-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zysY50bP)

[hujsh]

Ooof

[Grantysghost]

https://media.giphy.com/media/jOpLbiGmHR9S0/giphy.gif

[jeemak]

He's lucky he's good looking and can kick a footy!

Nah, it's probably coming from the right place and if so then good on him.

[bornadog]

He's lucky he's good looking and can kick a footy!

Nah, it's probably coming from the right place and if so then good on him.

Should not get involved in politics

[Grantysghost]

I always get my data from the opposition party and secret reports ;)

[bornadog]

During lockdown 5, Pendelbury tweeted that Dan should get help from Gladys. Went down well and has not aged well either.

[jeemak]

Should not get involved in politics

Yes he should. All young people with influence should be more engaged in politics.

A lack of engagement from prominent young people in politics is part of the reason younger people get stitched up so comprehensively.

[Grantysghost]

Certainly all entitled to their opinions. Just hope he's focused on Friday. Sure he is.

[bornadog]

Delete

[hujsh]

Yes he should. All young people with influence should be more engaged in politics.

A lack of engagement from prominent young people in politics is part of the reason younger people get stitched up so comprehensively.


Sports people should be engaged in politics unless it clashes with my politics in which case sports people have no business getting involved in politics

[Grantysghost]

Sports people should be engaged in politics unless it clashes with my politics in which case sports people have no business getting involved in politics

He clearly feels strongly about the mental health conversation in his cohort so as Jee said coming from a place of care.

Not sure about his sources but that’s another discussion !

[SquirrelGrip]

Yes he should. All young people with influence should be more engaged in politics.

A lack of engagement from prominent young people in politics is part of the reason younger people get stitched up so comprehensively.

Josh Bruce has done the same. In particular he is frustrated by the closure of playgrounds.

Just let these guys express their opinion whether we agree or not. Jeemak is right.

[EasternWest]

https://i.postimg.cc/zfBzCQJ5/Screenshot-20210818-155350-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zysY50bP)

Don't really mind what Bailey's focus is here and he's right - there are some pretty big bills being paid by innocent people in this.

But James Newbury? James "kick homeless people back onto the streets so we can sell the land to developers" Newbury?

If your entire political platform is profit over people, then you've forfeited your right to be taken seriously on mental health issues.

[Mofra]

During lockdown 5, Pendelbury tweeted that Dan should get help from Gladys. Went down well and has not aged well either.
That's surprising.

Pendles normally disappears completely at the first sign of crisis.

[SquirrelGrip]

Please guys, I come on this board to avoid politics with footy and the Bulldogs my one escape from what’s going on right now. Can we just ease off on all the constant political opinion and chat?

[bornadog]

delete

[EasternWest]

Please guys, I come on this board to avoid politics with footy and the Bulldogs my one escape from what’s going on right now. Can we just ease off on all the constant political opinion and chat?

How 'bout them sportsballers! ;)

[FrediKanoute]

But Covid is not political and should not be made political.

Any restriction on rights is political whether validly motivated or not.

Lockdown's have a quelling effect on questioning the Government's response to something like a pandemic and why, 16 months after the pandemic was declared State government's in Australia are still using the "lockdown" approach to try to eradicate the virus? I'm not against a lockdown per se, but lockdown after lockdown after lockdown with no real plan on how to break the cycle - that is a concern.

[bulldogtragic]

It’s health, not politics. Per his message, 148 kids last week were taken to hospital having self harmed or strong enough suicidal ideation that they required crisis assessment. Now think your one of this weeks kids in this infinite sadness contemplating self death over living. That no one cares about you. That you’re meaningless because no one is speaking your truth. No one acknowledges your pain. Until they scroll across Baz page where they see the famous footballer gets it. He sees me. He hears me. He is speaking my truth.

Now if Baz message helps one kid inch back from the metaphoric ledge, helps one kid see a future that is there but they can’t see, then Baz has eased suffering and perhaps prevented thoughts or actions of lasting consequence. Let me assure everyone, when first responders and military people tried to talk PTSD there was virtually no one taking up a position to advocate for them. They were trouble makers, trying to get a pension or entitlement or somehow political against whatever regime it was (it didn’t matter which). When dead bodies piled up so high, there was shock and alarm then nothing until more dead bodies piled up and some action was taken and a Royal Commission into ADF was only announced a couple of months ago.

Pre-Covid, I was talking to a helper at a hospital in Melbourne who ended up telling she was a psych on the CAT Team (Crisis Assessment Team) that go to peoples houses. She mentioned they just can’t get to everyone so they only get to the worst. Thanks political class for running the system down if politics is to be discussed. She mentioned there was a huge increase (long before all this) owing to social media and young people. That the bullying of the school ground made its way incessantly into the heads of kids when awful comments and worse would occur. If they weren’t going out, the problem got amplified beyond my comprehension. So that, times x 1,000 is the situation young folk find themselves in. Clearly, nobody ‘got it’ and the psychological agony they were feeling. Trapped in a vicious cycle of being addicted to social media which is compounding the problem. Then that famous footy player did not much more than acknowledge their pain, suffering, sadness and truth. But I bet he did more good in one post than we could hope to do in a year. So if anyone is sad about his message, maybe walk a mile in another’s shoes. Their shoes are a shitload sadder and have harmful consequences beyond the entitled trivialities of ‘politics’. Baz could wait for the bodies to pile up like the gutless leaders of the past. Or he could try to do something in the here and now, on a forum understood by the young with a message understand by the young. Anyone thinking that his message is meant for most here has an ego problem.

I was first to pot Baz for his game on the weekend. But *!*!*!*! it if I’m not going to be last man standing defending him, not that he needs it. He’s trying to make a meaningful difference in the world. It’s pretty easy to shut up on your big dollar job while something that offends you is killing people. It has nothing to do with politics or us. I hope that those younger folk suffering from their infinite sadness have their suffering eased because one of our players did something that spoke to them. He should be applauded.

[jazzadogs]

Certainly all entitled to their opinions. Just hope he's focused on Friday. Sure he is.

Personally I just hope that he is feeling okay mentally. I know that I have been very very lucky to be able to continue working and had no financial issues during the lockdowns, but it's still made me feel like crap and I am convinced that my performance at work has suffered as a result.

I don't think we can discount that some of our players might have been dealing with similar thoughts and feelings of flatness for the last few weeks (and while it's disappointing, I don't think it's weak or anything to be ashamed of).

[Grantysghost]

Personally I just hope that he is feeling okay mentally. I know that I have been very very lucky to be able to continue working and had no financial issues during the lockdowns, but it's still made me feel like crap and I am convinced that my performance at work has suffered as a result.

I don't think we can discount that some of our players might have been dealing with similar thoughts and feelings of flatness for the last few weeks (and while it's disappointing, I don't think it's weak or anything to be ashamed of).

I agree, I suffered some personal loss this time last year family wise which was tough but apart from that your story is mine. Almost to a person here in Melbourne what you've described in terms of mood / mental health is paralleled anectodally in what I hear from friends and family.

The lockdown prior to this was the one that felt the tipping point as we were back to semi normal, even seeing our beloved Dogs play.

This one it's just widespread low mood and a real sense of is this ever gong to end?! And I've been relatively lucky.

Hope everyone is doing ok, there is light at the end of the tunnel! (and we might just snag a flag).

[Rocco Jones]

I think the issue here is less about the message and more about sharing a politician's views. It's a slippery path as you can draw links that perhaps are unintended with their other views/positions on topics.

Definitely can understand why someone would feel to share the message. Just maybe a wiser way, perhaps something the club could address. Really a shit time for all unless you are a natural recluse who has a mansion I guess.

[bulldogtragic]

With complete respect, it’s effectively a retweet and ‘retweets are not endorsements’.

Inferring other views or beliefs off one retweet speaks more about those who wish to draw the inference. The view shared was not ripping away social and community support to bring the budget to surplus quicker. The view was there’s a emergency with young people and self harm and supplies the data to back it up. I don’t see the issue. I checked Twitter and numerous players follow left of centre politicians as well as COVID-19 accounts. Do we infer that these players are supporting them based and their political beliefs &/or policy positions on a follow and the slippery slope therein?l I’d hope not.

It was a relatively benign data based retweet, which does not infer endorsement. In the furtherance of his massage. I just don’t see the issue. Had it of been an inflammatory nutty tweet from Tim Smith etc, then sure. But context is everything, it was a data tweet about a topic close to his heart. But as I say, retweets aren’t endorsements of the account holder. When this is the standard, every player should get off social media for fear a retweet may start a slippery slope despite no endorsement. I appreciate your perspective, but I can’t agree with that.

Instead of lauding Baz for acting on his social conscience to help others, the discussion isn’t that, it’s about whether retweet’s equal endorsement and whether the account holder of the retweet infers Baz sharing all his beliefs. I greatly respect people who take a personal position to act on their social conscience to help others less fortunate in community, many trying to kill themselves. Baz saw a chance to do something with his position in society and took it. To me that’s the start and end of the story as I just can’t see the inferences in full context. But to each their own.

[bornadog]

Any restriction on rights is political whether validly motivated or not.

Lockdown's have a quelling effect on questioning the Government's response to something like a pandemic and why, 16 months after the pandemic was declared State government's in Australia are still using the "lockdown" approach to try to eradicate the virus? I'm not against a lockdown per se, but lockdown after lockdown after lockdown with no real plan on how to break the cycle - that is a concern.

This is off topic but, but you have brought it up. There are are lots of people criticising lockdowns but they have no alternative.

The reason for the lockdowns is because our Government:

1. Decided not to order Pfizer when offered 40 million doses because they thought is was expensive - cost to economy is now billions. We are finally getting supplies now. With AZ they completely stuffed the communications and people were and still are hesitant to get vaccinated with AZ.

2. Decided not to have dedicated quarantine stations but preferred Hotels which just don't contain the virus. Work has finally started on a quarantine station in Victoria

We cant open up yet, as we will just kill more people. We are at now 27% fully vaccinated and the Gov does have a plan - when we get to 80%, there will be no lockdowns.

[SquirrelGrip]

This is off topic but, but you have brought it up. There are are lots of people criticising lockdowns but they have no alternative.

The reason for the lockdowns is because our Government:

1. Decided not to order Pfizer when offered 40 million doses because they thought is was expensive - cost to economy is now billions. We are finally getting supplies now. With AZ they completely stuffed the communications and people were and still are hesitant to get vaccinated with AZ.

2. Decided not to have dedicated quarantine stations but preferred Hotels which just don't contain the virus. Work has finally started on a quarantine station in Victoria

We cant open up yet, as we will just kill more people. We are at now 27% fully vaccinated and the Gov does have a plan - when we get to 80%, there will be no lockdowns.

Please guys, I come on this board to avoid politics with footy and the Bulldogs my one escape from what’s going on right now. Can we just ease off on all the constant political opinion and chat?

[Rocco Jones]

Very hard to avoid politics when we are talking about a player literally sharing a politician’s tweet. That said, I agree let’s move on.

[bornadog]

Please guys, I come on this board to avoid politics with footy and the Bulldogs my one escape from what’s going on right now. Can we just ease off on all the constant political opinion and chat?


Very hard to avoid politics when we are talking about a player literally sharing a politician’s tweet. That said, I agree let’s move on.

agree, sorry no more from me.

[jeemak]

Big few weeks for Baz, suggest they'll be defining of how Bulldogs supporters - rightly or wrongly - will view him for the rest of his career as a Bulldog.

My take is that he's a vital element to our success or otherwise, and that's a really big wrap for someone who's still as young as he is and playing in a midfield as "stacked" as ours is.

We need good inside to outside players, and if he can get into the game and get this element right, tidy up his skills and keep running all day I'm hopeful that in combination with Treloar running into some form we look more pacey and dangerous from here on. Both should be primed and ready to go now.

[Rocco Jones]

agree, sorry no more from me.

I don’t think a need to apologise. I’ve done the same and probably think close to exactly the same as you on topic. But yes, no more from me too ha!

[Grantysghost]

I don’t think a need to apologise. I’ve done the same and probably think close to exactly the same as you on topic. But yes, no more from me too ha!

But seriously how sh1t is Scomo?

(I joke in honour of Sean Lock! )

I try to steer clear, I agree this should be footy focused.

Agree Jee he has soooo much upside. He's a unique cat too brings lots of things from a marketable sense to our side (200k insta followers is testament to that) so there's challenges and opportunities off field as well as the massive upside on field you've mentioned.

[bornadog]

But seriously how sh1t is Scomo?

(I joke in honour of Sean Lock! )

I try to steer clear, I agree this should be footy focused.

Agree Jee he has soooo much upside. He's a unique cat too brings lots of things from a marketable sense to our side (200k insta followers is testament to that) so there's challenges and opportunities off field as well as the massive upside on field you've mentioned.

Still only 20 with a lot of upside

[josie]

Please guys, I come on this board to avoid politics with footy and the Bulldogs my one escape from what’s going on right now. Can we just ease off on all the constant political opinion and chat?

No offence intended Squirrel Grip, but what BAD posted was not politics - it’s based upon fact that best health professionals & scientists would support and was in response to another post that warranted a logical response. Agree I’d rather read about footy too.

My last 10c worth is when anyone including footy players used a blog/retweet from someone else unless their add ons dispute it, it’s kinda logical to think think they might agree with views of initial poster/tweeter.

No more comment from me on this.

Gawd help us -please bring on Friday and sure hope we can celebrate a win.

[bornadog]

Gawd help us -please bring on Friday and sure hope we can celebrate a win.

It would make lockdown more bearable too.

[kruder]

Progression isn't linear, Baz hasn't had his best year but it has nothing to do with his tweets and the fact he plays fortnite.

When Bailey is at his best, it starts with his defensive pressure. I wanna see more of the basics which will let his talent shine through. Our mids have had a great year and maybe they thought having Dunkley and Treloar back in things were just going to happen, this week the senior members need to lead the way particularly on the defensive side of the game. Who knows maybe Baz may follow..

[Mofra]

He's 20 years old - I'm wondering if he's physically mature enough to be able to provide peak output across an entire season + finals as yet?
He started the year off on absolute fire. I expect each year we're going to see a better version of Bailey.

[1eyedog]

He's 20 years old - I'm wondering if he's physically mature enough to be able to provide peak output across an entire season + finals as yet?
He started the year off on absolute fire. I expect each year we're going to see a better version of Bailey.

Yeah I don't get the angst. As you say he's 20 years old and so far ahead of others (Garcia 20), Butler (20), Richards (22), VDM (22) it's not funny. Sure he has junky disposal at times but he plays like a bull at a gate as well remember. Wait until he's 25 with a well-developed core strength and gets up around 90 kg he will be a wrecking ball.

[josie]

Yeah I don't get the angst. As you say he's 20 years old and so far ahead of others (Garcia 20), Butler (20), Richards (22), VDM (22) it's not funny. Sure he has junky disposal at times but he plays like a bull at a gate as well remember. Wait until he's 25 with a well-developed core strength and gets up around 90 kg he will be a wrecking ball.

It’s the panicky disposal & sometimes lack of defensive pressure I’m worried about. Not sure that will improve dramatically. Would love for him to stay with us & prove me wrong. Exciting when on song for sure. And yes, young enough he could improve these issues. Can anyone else think of a player at dogs or other clubs with a similar exciting start & similar weaknesses that improved them as years went by?

[The bulldog tragician]

It’s the panicky disposal & sometimes lack of defensive pressure I’m worried about. Not sure that will improve dramatically. Would love for him to stay with us & prove me wrong. Exciting when on song for sure. And yes, young enough he could improve these issues. Can anyone else think of a player at dogs or other clubs with a similar exciting start & similar weaknesses that improved them as years went by?

Jack Macrae not a similar style player but has dramatically improved what was a previous weakness and his passes into our forward line can sometimes be lethal now.

[boydogs]

Jack Macrae not a similar style player but has dramatically improved what was a previous weakness and his passes into our forward line can sometimes be lethal now.

Good point, you used to be able to make breakfast while Macrae's kicks inside 50 were coming back down to earth

[ratsmac]

Bailey Smith seems to be stuck between being an inside 0layer and outside player. When he's inside he tries to take off and break tackles when he isn't positioned well enough or have a step to go through traffic and ends up trying to dispose of the ball with two players hanging off him. When he's outside and does get a break his skills aren't where they need to be to deliver the ball to our advantage. The positive thing is he's still pretty good at both at 20 years old and has an appetite to learn and he'll only get better.

[Testekill]

If there was ever a time for him to pull his finger out it'd be this game.

[bornadog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LHwDrgW2vA&ab_channel=AFL

[Ozza]

A shoutout to Bailey Smith's left foot.....drives us collectively crazy sometimes...but perhaps all the practice led to that goal!!

Gee he's a funny player. Texting with the old man during the night, very bi-polar Bazlenka commentary. "Baz FFS".....next one "Bazlenka!!".

[bornadog]

A shoutout to Bailey Smith's left foot.....drives us collectively crazy sometimes...but perhaps all the practice led to that goal!!

Gee he's a funny player. Texting with the old man during the night, very bi-polar Bazlenka commentary. "Baz FFS".....next one "Bazlenka!!".

He was very frustrating when he he just bangs it in the forward 50 straight to Brisbane with not a Dogs player in sight. He did that at least 2 or 3 times, yet he puts through two goals on the run, left and right foot. My wife said, why does he kick it so low when having a shot.

[Grantysghost]

Don't win that one without him all that extra running he does pays off - I'm all aboard the Bailey train. CHOO CHOO! ;)

[Ozza]

Incredible that he hasn't missed a game since getting to the club. We probably forget how young he is given he has no played so many games at his age. Touch wood - but he's setting himself up for a big career games tally at this rate. 65 already and hasn't turned 21!

[Axe Man]

When Baz kicked THAT goal I screamed "He CAN kick" (after somewhat deriding his kicking ability earlier in the game).

My 5 year old son has picked up on it and keeps saying "He can kick". Lucky I didn't say anything more colourful.

[bulldogtragic]

I think Baz moves into ‘The Cody Role’ this week. Inside 50 pressure, speed to smoother and tackle, bring others in and kick goals. Bring the energy, fire the boys up.

I think he’s up for the challenge.

[jeemak]

I think Baz moves into ‘The Cody Role’ this week. Inside 50 pressure, speed to smoother and tackle, bring others in and kick goals. Bring the energy, fire the boys up.

I think he’s up for the challenge.

Who plays the match winning role he played on Saturday with him largely out of the play?

[bornadog]

When Baz kicked THAT goal I screamed "He CAN kick" (after somewhat deriding his kicking ability earlier in the game).

My 5 year old son has picked up on it and keeps saying "He can kick". Lucky I didn't say anything more colourful.

When he had a shot, the first thing I thought of was "agh a point, we are in front" :D

[Mantis]

Who plays the match winning role he played on Saturday with him largely out of the play?

Where did he do his best work? Was it delivering the ball I50 or was it the work he did I50?

[bulldogtragic]

Who plays the match winning role he played on Saturday with him largely out of the play?

Treloar. Bonts.

Some of his kicking I50 was poor. His work inside 50 on the other hand…

[SquirrelGrip]

Bazlenka's kicking is up for discussion - how can someone kick a goal like the "Ice in Veins" one on Saturday night, but then so frequently miss his targets into the forward 50. He seems to hit up the opposition's intercept marker so regularly.

For me, his issue isn't how straight he kicks, but more his depth. He frequently over- and under-kicks the ball. When going for goal on the run, it's not an issue as he kicks through it and distance doesn't matter.

As for his left foot kicking, I think he's done a huge amount of work this year and it's starting to come along nicely. A work in progress.

[jeemak]

Where did he do his best work? Was it delivering the ball I50 or was it the work he did I50?


Treloar. Bonts.

Some of his kicking I50 was poor. His work inside 50 on the other hand…

I understand that he had two kicks that were clearly effective but they seemed to occur when starting high and finishing low rather than starting low, going high and then finishing low again - which is what Cody usually does.

Could be wrong, it's difficult to tell starting positions given the ridiculously poor close up nature of the coverage and the lack of analysis the coverage brings.

Additionally I understand his kicking wasn't great great, but he did a huge amount of gut running and I don't think we should be giving that up.

But, if you think Baz can all of a sudden play a high marking, high pressure and ground ball role like Cody does on the back of a couple of goals then great. It's an extremely tough role and I just don't see it.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I understand that he had two kicks that were clearly effective but they seemed to occur when starting high and finishing low rather than starting low, going high and then finishing low again - which is what Cody usually does.

Could be wrong, it's difficult to tell starting positions given the ridiculously poor close up nature of the coverage and the lack of analysis the coverage brings.

Additionally I understand his kicking wasn't great great, but he did a huge amount of gut running and I don't think we should be giving that up.

But, if you think Baz can all of a sudden play a high marking, high pressure and ground ball role like Cody does on the back of a couple of goals then great. I don't see it.

Yep.. the opportunities he got inside 50, were as a result of burning off his opponent further upfield and running into the play unfolding inside 50, not from a dedicated starting point inside 50. His gut running up and down the ground was huge all night.

[bulldogtragic]

I understand that he had two kicks that were clearly effective but they seemed to occur when starting high and finishing low rather than starting low, going high and then finishing low again - which is what Cody usually does.

Could be wrong, it's difficult to tell starting positions given the ridiculously poor close up nature of the coverage and the lack of analysis the coverage brings.

Additionally I understand his kicking wasn't great great, but he did a huge amount of gut running and I don't think we should be giving that up.

But, if you think Baz can all of a sudden play a high marking, high pressure and ground ball role like Cody does on the back of a couple of goals then great. It's an extremely tough role and I just don't see it.

In a perfect world… it’s not unfortunately. Necessity is the mother of innovation. Someone has to replace Cody out of necessity. I like Smith and putting it on Treloar to step it up. I’m prepared to back this 2021 PF Smith to be the 2016 PF Smith. Hard, runs, burst pace, versatile and can kick a goal. Ideally suited to elsewhere in a perfect world, but can give opposition coach headaches. Our options other are .5 goal a game players who’ve been in and out of the side. Smith has them covered and our mega deep midfield can cover that gut running if they all step up. Especially Treloar. No one is ‘replacing’ Cody outside of Marra who won’t get picked. The best option to cover him for a game I think is Smith.

Well soon enough see what Bevo thinks.

[Mitcha]

Bazlenka's kicking is up for discussion - how can someone kick a goal like the "Ice in Veins" one on Saturday night, but then so frequently miss his targets into the forward 50. He seems to hit up the opposition's intercept marker so regularly.

For me, his issue isn't how straight he kicks, but more his depth. He frequently over- and under-kicks the ball. When going for goal on the run, it's not an issue as he kicks through it and distance doesn't matter.

As for his left foot kicking, I think he's done a huge amount of work this year and it's starting to come along nicely. A work in progress.
It seems he has done a lot of work with our left foot kicking coach Zaine Cordy!!
Baz's left foot is a thing of constant frustration/ultimate beauty.

[MrMahatma]

His interview after the game was awesome. He's such a cool dude and then also such an honest, genuinely nice dude. I mean, stay away from my daughters... but he's like a mullet personified - business and party in equal measures.

[bornadog]

Someone has to replace Cody out of necessity.

If we aren't worried about marking ability, ie high flying, then it is JJ.

[bulldogtragic]

2016 PF: Clay Smith: 26 Disposals, 10 Contested, 6 Clearances, 4I50’s, 5 Marks, 8 Tackles, 4 Goals, 1 GA, 8 Score Involvements, 19 Pressure Acts, 284m Gained

2021 PF: Bailey Smith: 23 Disposals, 11 Contested, 3 Clearances, 6 I50’s 1 Mark, 3 Tackles, 4 Goals, 9 Score Involvements, 22 Pressure Acts, 496m Gained


We need Smith’s on fire to win Preliminary Final. That’s my take away.

[Rocco Jones]

Let’s trade him.

[jazzadogs]

2016 PF: Clay Smith: 26 Disposals, 10 Contested, 6 Clearances, 4I50’s, 5 Marks, 8 Tackles, 4 Goals, 1 GA, 8 Score Involvements, 19 Pressure Acts, 284m Gained

2021 PF: Bailey Smith: 23 Disposals, 11 Contested, 3 Clearances, 6 I50’s 1 Mark, 3 Tackles, 4 Goals, 9 Score Involvements, 22 Pressure Acts, 496m Gained


We need Smith’s on fire to win Preliminary Final. That’s my take away.

Can't believe Clay had 26 touches in that game. An undersold performance - I remember the 4 goals, but those are huge numbers!

[Vred]

Let’s trade him.


I'd be gearing him up for leadership in a couple of years, would never consider trading him. Future captain of the club after Bont.

[soupman]

Very impressive finals series. Has kicked 8 goals (straight). Only Hawkins and Cameron have managed to match that.

[jeemak]

Has anyone ever seen a fatigued player kick one from the boundary at 55m out like Smith did tonight?

[jeemak]

So as a question.....given Luke Hodge enjoyed an over-inflated reputation amongst his peers because of his performances in finals, does that now mean that Bailey Smith is the leader of his draft class?

One of his major rivals for that position also played tonight but didn't get near it. His other major rival didn't get to play in the finals. So I guess by the laws of Hawthorn and Hodge, Bailey is now the best from his class.......providing that moniker doesn't have to wait for two weeks when we win the flag.

NB - I don't think Smith is better than Walsh, but I kinda do.

[jazzadogs]

So as a question.....given Luke Hodge enjoyed an over-inflated reputation amongst his peers because of his performances in finals, does that now mean that Bailey Smith is the leader of his draft class?

One of his major rivals for that position also played tonight but didn't get near it. His other major rival didn't get to play in the finals. So I guess by the laws of Hawthorn and Hodge, Bailey is now the best from his class.......providing that moniker doesn't have to wait for two weeks when we win the flag.

NB - I don't think Smith is better than Walsh, but I kinda do.

Are you saying Carlton should trade Sam Walsh?

[jeemak]

Are you saying Carlton should trade Sam Walsh?

Snigger snigger you cheeky devil.

I'm just saying that if one player gets to form his reputation in finals, then others who follow should as well.

[Happy Days]

Please let the record show that I always loved him. For once checking post histories is okay.

[jeemak]

Please let the record show that I always loved him. For once checking post histories is okay.

No, you're on the wall with everyone else until you prove you did.

Your irrational tendencies are best caught up with you while you're young, otherwise they never will. Prove you're a believer.

[comrade]

*!*!*!*!ing sexy Bazlenka, making me eat humble pie.

[jeemak]

*!*!*!*!ing sexy Bazlenka, making me eat humble pie.

Finally. Great to see you alive.

[azabob]

I'd be gearing him up for leadership in a couple of years, would never consider trading him. Future captain of the club after Bont.

The biggest thing for me is how he took VDM under his wing during the shut down in 2020 and got VDM so fit and cherry ripe there was no choice but to play him V saints in round 2.

[azabob]

I wasn't too vocal on his decision making but without being at the ground it is impossible to see how many gut runs he does time and time again. It's almost like he gives his teammates no other option than to give him the football.

Now the media is picking up on his aerobic capacity and they are showing his repeated efforts and his will to get to contest to contest.

Also going off memory here shout out to Bulldogtragic who called for Smith to play the high HF role as the Clay Smith replacement a few weeks back.

[jazzadogs]

I wasn't too vocal on his decision making but without being at the ground it is impossible to see how many gut runs he does time and time again. It's almost like he gives his teammates no other option than to give him the football.

Now the media is picking up on his aerobic capacity and they are showing his repeated efforts and his will to get to contest to contest.

Also going off memory here shout out to Bulldogtragic who called for Smith to play the high HF role as the Clay Smith replacement a few weeks back.

The play where Treloar took five bounces down the wing, Baz had given the initial handball - made up 10m and then ran alongside Adz the whole way, blocking and shepherding to give him a free path down the field. It was a really clear example of his sacrificial running.

[angelopetraglia]

Didn't think Baz had that type of kick in him. That bomb he launched from outside 50m in the last quarter. Massive kick.

[jazzadogs]

Didn't think Baz had that type of kick in him. That bomb he launched from outside 50m in the last quarter. Massive kick.

And hardly kicked it, if you look at his follow through. Sweet connection.

[bornadog]

Didn't think Baz had that type of kick in him. That bomb he launched from outside 50m in the last quarter. Massive kick.

That was well over 60 metres

[Go_Dogs]

Didn't think Baz had that type of kick in him. That bomb he launched from outside 50m in the last quarter. Massive kick.

Yeah, huge kick. So casual about it too.

He’s been immense this finals series and to jeemak’s earlier question, he is without peer from his draft class now. Not one of his peers could put together the 3 weeks he has.

[bornadog]

Great Photo by Michael Wilson - winner best action photo at AFMA awards

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_SR3fwVgAY5DHq?format=jpg&name=large

[LostDog]

Jesus who's seen the latest Bailey video, not a great look

[Grantysghost]

Jesus who's seen the latest Bailey video, not a great look

He partying like a insta influencer?

[Scraggers]

Jesus who's seen the latest Bailey video, not a great look

I don’t think there’s much wrong with it. We need to remember he’s 20, he’s been locked-down for the last 12 weeks, and he doesn’t say anything inappropriate. He’s obviously drunk (or well on the way) but there is nothing untoward there.

Media beat up again. Nothing to see here. (As most comments underneath the videos on bookface and TikTok attest to)

[jeemak]

Jeeze if that's what upsets people.........

Although again, why film this stuff?

[EasternWest]

I'm too old to know what I should be looking at but if it's just a young guy being a drunk idiot and hurting nobody then I don't care.

[Scraggers]

The young girls of Perth were on Bailey watch. The scuttlebutt was thick and fast when the boys were at nightclubs or even just walking around Freo. He couldn’t go anywhere without being mobbed. Instead of running from it or hiding away, he embraced it. He had a few drinks with the boys (as in locals) and was respectful … even when he was under the weather.

[Grantysghost]

I'm too old to know what I should be looking at but if it's just a young guy being a drunk idiot and hurting nobody then I don't care.

He's on his break, he's like a rock star as long as it's legal I don't have an issue. I've not seen any video tbf.

[EasternWest]

He's on his break, he's like a rock star as long as it's legal I don't have an issue. I've not seen any video tbf.

He's on smoko, so leave him alone.

[Grantysghost]

He's on smoko, so leave him alone.

Hey I got the reference!

I love hate that song.

[EasternWest]

Hey I got the reference!

I love hate that song.

I'm sorry that statement doesn't compute.

Any song with the lyrics "perched atop of his milk crate throne" can only be loved.

[LostDog]

I don’t think there’s much wrong with it. We need to remember he’s 20, he’s been locked-down for the last 12 weeks, and he doesn’t say anything inappropriate. He’s obviously drunk (or well on the way) but there is nothing untoward there.

Media beat up again. Nothing to see here. (As most comments underneath the videos on bookface and TikTok attest to)

His eyes are bigger than dinner plates, I don't see anything wrong with partying but geez, I can see a scandal coming

[Grantysghost]

I'm sorry that statement doesn't compute.

Any song with the lyrics "perched atop of his milk crate throne" can only be loved.

Milk crates are so 2009, when they were integral to the creation of bitcoin mining farms.

I didn't listen. They told me, im in the industry.

I didn't listen.

https://media.giphy.com/media/26ueYx1JMjkT7jc1q/giphy.gif

[Grantysghost]

His eyes are bigger than dinner plates, I don't see anything wrong with partying but geez, I can see a scandal coming

Bailey is a lovely boy and would never do anything wrong ever.
Also he's 20 and has 300k instagram followers and every eligible female in Perth wants to touch him.
Decisions decisions.....

[1eyedog]

Bailey is a lovely boy and would never do anything wrong ever.
Also he's 20 and has 300k instagram followers and every eligible female in Perth wants to touch him.
Decisions decisions.....

And so does GG

[comrade]

Baz is just doing what every other 20 year old footballer does during off season. The only trouble is he’s probably the highest profile player of his age in the league right now so there’s a smart phone following his every move. Probably won’t be long until he goes down the Dusty path and has to hire private booths/rooms to party in.

[Twodogs]

Jeeze if that's what upsets people.........

Although again, why film this stuff?


Agreed, it's pretty tame. I'm just glad that nobody was following me and filming the stuff I did when I was in my 20s

[bulldogtragic]

Agreed, it's pretty tame. I'm just glad that nobody was following me and filming the stuff I did when I was in my 20s

Shame. You could’ve pioneered Reality TV.

[Grantysghost]

And so does GG

I hugged SSEW on GF night, so.... I'm covered.

(he smelt like freshly baked bread).

Caleb too.

Bailey is on the list, I'm starting a 60 day olfactory cleanse prior to the season launch - will report my findings.

[Grantysghost]

Baz is just doing what every other 20 year old footballer does during off season. The only trouble is he’s probably the highest profile player of his age in the league right now so there’s a smart phone following his every move. Probably won’t be long until he goes down the Dusty path and has to hire private booths/rooms to party in.

Nearest the pin re his first ink?

Im going Jan 2023.

[jeemak]

Nearest the pin re his first ink?

Im going Jan 2023.

I think he's already got ink.

[Grantysghost]

I think he's already got ink.

I won't sit here (still in my dogs kit waiting for the GF to start) and allow you to besmirch the exemplary Master Smith's fine name.

Quite frankly :

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xtdloPOSr3ne4U/giphy.gif

[comrade]

Nearest the pin re his first ink?

Im going Jan 2023.

I don’t think Instagram could handle it if Baz got neck tattoos.

[Sedat]

I don’t think Instagram could handle it if Baz got neck tattoos.
He strikes me as the type to not want to put stickers on a Ferrari

[Scraggers]

I won't sit here (still in my dogs kit waiting for the GF to start) and allow you to besmirch the exemplary Master Smith's fine name.

Sorry to burst everyone’s collective bubble, he has a tattoo of a tiger on his back. It’s not very high quality either. Think Stringer’s lion but waaaaaaaay smaller

[Axe Man]

Poor Laith would be well advised to keep his shirt on if a topless Baz is around.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gptz1j4w/smith.jpg (https://postimg.cc/67sCrnVY)

[Grantysghost]

Poor Laith would be well advised to keep his shirt on if a topless Baz is around.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gptz1j4w/smith.jpg (https://postimg.cc/67sCrnVY)

Between them they have an 8 pack !

[EasternWest]

Poor Laith would be well advised to keep his shirt on if a topless Baz is around.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gptz1j4w/smith.jpg (https://postimg.cc/67sCrnVY)


Between them they have an 8 pack !

All youse picking on Laith would kill to be in the nick he's in (me too). It's not fair to compare him to a specimen.


Where's the pic of Buku and Cordy to really cause puzzlement?

[Twodogs]

Shame. You could’ve pioneered Reality TV.

More like been the first to feature on magistrates Court TV

[comrade]

Hanging around with Baz would turn anyone into a never nude

https://i.ibb.co/qC3PJKR/7-E82-FB86-2645-4817-9531-53384-BA417-D2.jpg (https://ibb.co/0KRdsTf)

[Axe Man]

Bulldogs star Bailey Smith opens up on his crazy rise in popularity (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/bulldogs-star-bailey-smith-opens-up-on-his-crazy-rise-in-popularity/news-story/7d13f101a25b6ae74c35e92e5dd74c00)

Western Bulldogs star Bailey Smith has opened up about the spotlight, his mental health and the nude picture of him that was going viral on grand final day.

Smith, who is on the verge of becoming the AFL’s most followed player on social media, said he had even been offered $50,000 to sleep with someone.

Smith set the record straight on the picture by posting the original, which he said was taken off his Facebook account.

“There was a fake nude of me that got shared around Australia,’’ he told the Common Chaos podcast.

“This was like the day of the grand final, the biggest game of my life, and the boys showed me. They knew it was Photoshopped … it was weird. It got sent around to everyone while I was playing and then I addressed it after.

“I stopped looking at (my DMs) two weeks ago. I’m even getting these now, I don’t know how they got my number. Sends a screenshot of his bank account, $50,000 to sleep with this person. It doesn’t stop going. Then I’ve had the stock standard (offers).”

Smith, 20, is known as “Bazlenka” and has more than 334,000 followers on Instagram. Only Dustin Martin has more, with 338,000.

He is now in Queensland with new friends and podcast hosts Ashton Wood and Cartia Mallan but despite speculation, he says he is single.

Smith admits he has struggled with eating disorders, panic attacks and anxiety.

“I don’t know if it’s a good coping mechanism but I just don’t deal with it,’’ Smith said of the attention.

“I acknowledge it, I know it’s there, it is the elephant in my brain but I ignore it as much as I can. The things that ground me each day, I go get my coffee, going to the beach, my best friends, getting dinner. I focus on what I want to do each day and what I want to get out of myself.

“I don’t open up that much because I’m scared of being judged and it’s just something that’s got to do with me. Fear of just being taken advantage of, as well. You can’t just open up to anyone. So I don’t do that but it’s been so refreshing over the past couple of days just to talk to you guys and not feel alone.

“There are so many people around you and wanting this and that from you, it’s so easy to feel empty inside, as dark as that sounds.”

Smith, who has a unique look, with mullet and moustache and enviable physique, said football players often had a stigma attached to them.

“That whole jock and toxic masculinity thing, especially with football players the way they are perceived, the way they treat other people — even just women — they think they’re God’s gift etc.

“That’s why I’m glad you guys said it was refreshing to meet up because we are just normal and want to have a great conversation. We’re not into the whole scene that whatever we do it doesn’t define us, we just want to be normal and respectful. We really thrive off having a good conversation and a few drinks.”

Smith said he learnt to deal with his emotions at a young age.

“It’s such a big thing, I still feel vulnerable to this day talking about it. The more you do it feels so natural … it almost empowers you,’’ he said.

“I just love love.

“Just for my day-to-day and something that helps me when I’m having a panic attack or just having a down day: the sun will rise tomorrow. Understanding that whatever happens, the sun will rise. Life goes on. It’s not that important. You’re gonna die one day. It’s such a small, minuscule part of your life, just live it like it is.

“The thing that opened up so many doors for me is, I don’t know if it’s cliche, is actually working on myself and I started taking medication because that’s something I didn’t do for such a long time. (You think) I don’t want to be weak, I can do it myself, it’ll be so much rewarding if I just get through it.

“I bit the bullet and understood and accepted that I wasn’t right at the time. Opened up so many doors for me, in terms of school, my education went through the roof and then football, that’s been my dream since I was a kid. My work ethic, everything just tied together.

“That vulnerability opens up so many doors.

“Think I was 15. It’s pretty young but I started being really in tune with how I’m feeling and why am I feeling this way.

“I was lucky because my mum was good at helping me do that. In terms of wanting to be successful, it helps you with what you want to do.”

[azabob]

Far out. I seriously hope we have a strong support network around Bailey Smith.

[Grantysghost]

Far out. I seriously hope we have a strong support network around Bailey Smith.

50k - I'd pony that up.

[jeemak]

50k - I'd pony that up.

Sex deficit is now $50,200 compared to best in class..........

Seriously though, crazy stuff to be experiencing at his age and like Aza said, I really hope we've got a good network/ structure in place to help him manage his way through it.

[Grantysghost]

Sex deficit is now $50,200 compared to best in class..........

Seriously though, crazy stuff to be experiencing at his age and like Aza said, I really hope we've got a good network/ structure in place to help him manage his way through it.

I know one of his best mate's mum's is one of Melbourne's best Psychologists so he's got a good network.

I'd pay 20k for a hug. ( maybe I've already had one )

[The Pie Man]

Dude seems intent on being who he is - forget the mullet, the man is different…and he owns it. I dig it.

I’m not too worried, he seems to have a fair bit figured out

[Grantysghost]

Dude seems intent on being who he is - forget the mullet, the man is different…and he owns it. I dig it.

I’m not too worried, he seems to have a fair bit figured out

He's going to need some support to temper things for sure.

[The Pie Man]

He's going to need some support to temper things for sure.

Yeah for sure, but I’m confident he’ll be ok

[1eyedog]

Bulldogs star Bailey Smith opens up on his crazy rise in popularity (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/bulldogs-star-bailey-smith-opens-up-on-his-crazy-rise-in-popularity/news-story/7d13f101a25b6ae74c35e92e5dd74c00)

Western Bulldogs star Bailey Smith has opened up about the spotlight, his mental health and the nude picture of him that was going viral on grand final day.

Smith, who is on the verge of becoming the AFL’s most followed player on social media, said he had even been offered $50,000 to sleep with someone.

Smith set the record straight on the picture by posting the original, which he said was taken off his Facebook account.

“There was a fake nude of me that got shared around Australia,’’ he told the Common Chaos podcast.

“This was like the day of the grand final, the biggest game of my life, and the boys showed me. They knew it was Photoshopped … it was weird. It got sent around to everyone while I was playing and then I addressed it after.

“I stopped looking at (my DMs) two weeks ago. I’m even getting these now, I don’t know how they got my number. Sends a screenshot of his bank account, $50,000 to sleep with this person. It doesn’t stop going. Then I’ve had the stock standard (offers).”

Smith, 20, is known as “Bazlenka” and has more than 334,000 followers on Instagram. Only Dustin Martin has more, with 338,000.

He is now in Queensland with new friends and podcast hosts Ashton Wood and Cartia Mallan but despite speculation, he says he is single.

Smith admits he has struggled with eating disorders, panic attacks and anxiety.

“I don’t know if it’s a good coping mechanism but I just don’t deal with it,’’ Smith said of the attention.

“I acknowledge it, I know it’s there, it is the elephant in my brain but I ignore it as much as I can. The things that ground me each day, I go get my coffee, going to the beach, my best friends, getting dinner. I focus on what I want to do each day and what I want to get out of myself.

“I don’t open up that much because I’m scared of being judged and it’s just something that’s got to do with me. Fear of just being taken advantage of, as well. You can’t just open up to anyone. So I don’t do that but it’s been so refreshing over the past couple of days just to talk to you guys and not feel alone.

“There are so many people around you and wanting this and that from you, it’s so easy to feel empty inside, as dark as that sounds.”

Smith, who has a unique look, with mullet and moustache and enviable physique, said football players often had a stigma attached to them.

“That whole jock and toxic masculinity thing, especially with football players the way they are perceived, the way they treat other people — even just women — they think they’re God’s gift etc.

“That’s why I’m glad you guys said it was refreshing to meet up because we are just normal and want to have a great conversation. We’re not into the whole scene that whatever we do it doesn’t define us, we just want to be normal and respectful. We really thrive off having a good conversation and a few drinks.”

Smith said he learnt to deal with his emotions at a young age.

“It’s such a big thing, I still feel vulnerable to this day talking about it. The more you do it feels so natural … it almost empowers you,’’ he said.

“I just love love.

“Just for my day-to-day and something that helps me when I’m having a panic attack or just having a down day: the sun will rise tomorrow. Understanding that whatever happens, the sun will rise. Life goes on. It’s not that important. You’re gonna die one day. It’s such a small, minuscule part of your life, just live it like it is.

“The thing that opened up so many doors for me is, I don’t know if it’s cliche, is actually working on myself and I started taking medication because that’s something I didn’t do for such a long time. (You think) I don’t want to be weak, I can do it myself, it’ll be so much rewarding if I just get through it.

“I bit the bullet and understood and accepted that I wasn’t right at the time. Opened up so many doors for me, in terms of school, my education went through the roof and then football, that’s been my dream since I was a kid. My work ethic, everything just tied together.

“That vulnerability opens up so many doors.

“Think I was 15. It’s pretty young but I started being really in tune with how I’m feeling and why am I feeling this way.

“I was lucky because my mum was good at helping me do that. In terms of wanting to be successful, it helps you with what you want to do.”

Rad dude seems like a deep thinker and is connected to and owns his emotions. He's at a good club to help him move forward in the right direction. A good club with good people.

[Axe Man]

Police investigate alleged Gold Coast pub incident involving AFL star Bailey Smith (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/queensland/police-investigate-alleged-gold-coast-pub-incident-involving-afl-star-bailey-smith/news-story/c1e685d642b8ffd6985386d9ae33aeca)

Police are investigating an alleged incident at a popular Gold Coast venue involving AFL superstar player Bailey Smith.

The Courier Mail can reveal a formal complaint has been made to police after the alleged incident occurred outside the Burleigh Pavilion on the long weekend of the NRL Grand Final.

It’s understood Smith, who is a star player for the Western Bulldogs with over 330,000 Instagram followers, has not yet spoken to police in relation to the matter.

However a formal complaint has been made by a 22-year-old man.

It is understood the man alleges he was pushed by Smith in the early hours of October 4.

In a statement, police confirmed they are investigating an incident at the venue.

“Police have received a complaint in relation to an (incident involving) a 22-year-old man at Goodwin Terrace around 12.10am on Monday October 4, 2021,” the statement said.

“The man was transported to hospital for treatment.

“Investigations are ongoing.”

An official police complaint was not made until some days after the alleged incident.

An AFL spokesman said they had been made aware of an incident involving a player for the Western Bulldogs, but at this stage would be taking no further action.

“The AFL has been advised by the Western Bulldogs of an incident involving a player on October 4,” a spokesman said.

“On the basis of the information we currently have there will be no further action at this stage.”

While a spokesman for the Club confirmed a small group of players were present.

“The Western Bulldogs are aware of an incident which occurred in Burleigh Heads in Queensland on 4 October, where a small group of its players were present,” a Western Bulldogs spokesman said.

“The Club has conducted its own investigation and is satisfied that no further action is required at this point in time.”

Smith’s manager has been approached for comment but is yet to respond.

Smith appeared as a guest on Gold Coast influencers Ashtyn Wood and Cartia Mallan’s Common Chaos podcast, which was released on Wednesday, to talk about “toxic masculinity, mental health and vulnerability”.

“We’re not into the whole scene, whatever we do, it doesn’t define us, we just want to be normal and respectful like everyone wants to be,” he said on the podcast.

“It’s a credit to the way we were brought up, as a friendship group we’re sick of that (idea that) guys only get on the sesh (party session) together and do all that.”

Smith shared a snippet of the podcast to his Instagram feed and turned off the function that allows users to comment on his posts.

[jeemak]

Great stuff. Just what we needed to pick us up and lift our spirits.

[bornadog]

Great stuff. Just what we needed to pick us up and lift our spirits.

Dickheads harassing him. He is going to cop it from young males who are jealous of him.

[azabob]

Dickheads harassing him. He is going to cop it from young males who are jealous of him.

Not sure it’s just young males BAD

[Axe Man]

The AFL and the club don't seem too concerned by it so hopefully it is nothing to worry about.

What kind of sook makes a police complaint about someone pushing them? No doubt it has only happened because he knows who Bailey is.

[azabob]

Great stuff. Just what we needed to pick us up and lift our spirits.

On face value not sure much to worry about.
He didn’t hit or kick anyone. He pushed someone.

[bornadog]

Not sure it’s just young males BAD

Yeah older guys as well, I guess, stirring him up.

Females are all over him, but I doubt they are violent.

[jeemak]

On face value not sure much to worry about.
He didn’t hit or kick anyone. He pushed someone.

The guy went to hospital, and has made a formal complaint to police who are investigating.

Push, punch or whatever, that's not great.

[bornadog]

The guy went to hospital, and has made a formal complaint to police who are investigating.

Push, punch or whatever, that's not great.

so the media says. Two sides to every story.

Reports to Police two days later.

[SquirrelGrip]

I listened to his podcast with the Gold Coast "influencers" (there's an hour I'll never get back).

He's become the infatuation target of teenage girls - probably the AFL's first Justin Bieber equivalent in the Instagram age. Because he physically stands out in the crowd, he'll cop it more than others. The Club and his Manager will be looking after him. Sooner he is out of the Gold Coast, the better.

[jeemak]

so the media says. Two sides to every story.

Reports to Police two days later.

Are you saying that he didn't go to hospital and hasn't made a report to police who aren't investigating, and as such, it is great?

Because that's the other side to the story.

All I'm saying is I don't think it's great a player of ours is involved with something like this. I'm not saying it's a big deal, or will be, I'm just saying it's not great.

If you think it's great, great.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The guy went to hospital, and has made a formal complaint to police who are investigating.

Push, punch or whatever, that's not great.

I know violence should never be encouraged but there are dickheads out there who deserve a belting. By the sounds of it this bloke got off lightly with a push.

That being said, Bailey better get used to this attention and learn how to cope with it. Because he’s going to get it everywhere he goes.

[bornadog]

Are you saying that he didn't go to hospital and hasn't made a report to police who aren't investigating, and as such, it is great?

Because that's the other side to the story.

All I'm saying is I don't think it's great a player of ours is involved with something like this. I'm not saying it's a big deal, or will be, I'm just saying it's not great.

If you think it's great, great.

Bold bit ????????????????

No, I am saying it sounds fishy from the other party and I like to hear Bailey's side of the story. I can't judge unless I know both sides.

Yes he it not good one of our players is involved, but as BTT says, he needs to get used to being hassled and learn to deal with it. He is only 20 years old.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

It's likely nothing comes of this, but it's a reminder to Bailey he needs to be careful given how big profile he's become.

One thing I'm aware of is that Bailey does say all the right things and certainly appears to have a good head on his shoulders, but with the way he portrays himself on social media and his rightful desire to be regularly out and about, I hope he understands there's always going to be interest in what he does. Some of that interest will be in bad faith, so how he deals with it will be key.

By no means am I saying he needs to avoid going out - that's ridiculous. He's young and deserves a social life, but with the 'good' part of being up in lights comes the bad.

[EasternWest]

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[jeemak]

I know violence should never be encouraged but there are dickheads out there who deserve a belting. By the sounds of it this bloke got off lightly with a push.

That being said, Bailey better get used to this attention and learn how to cope with it. Because he’s going to get it everywhere he goes.

We don't even know what happened and we're already saying the other guy got off lightly without being more severely harmed...........!

[GVGjr]

Dickheads harassing him. He is going to cop it from young males who are jealous of him.

He's a remarkable young player and he seems like a solid citizen but I don't envy the scrutiny he is now under.

[GVGjr]

It's likely nothing comes of this, but it's a reminder to Bailey he needs to be careful given how big profile he's become.

One thing I'm aware of is that Bailey does say all the right things and certainly appears to have a good head on his shoulders, but with the way he portrays himself on social media and his rightful desire to be regularly out and about, I hope he understands there's always going to be interest in what he does. Some of that interest will be in bad faith, so how he deals with it will be key.

By no means am I saying he needs to avoid going out - that's ridiculous. He's young and deserves a social life, but with the 'good' part of being up in lights comes the bad.

Well summed up.
A mate mentioned that if he got rid of the mullet he might blend in more but other than Bont he might be our most marketable player.

[jeemak]

Bold bit ????????????????

No, I am saying it sounds fishy from the other party and I like to hear Bailey's side of the story. I can't judge unless I know both sides.

Yes he it not good one of our players is involved, but as BTT says, he needs to get used to being hassled and learn to deal with it. He is only 20 years old.

I'm just countering your contrarianism to my neutral statement/ position in that I don't think it's great (which it clearly isn't, but we don't know whether it's actually bad either - which I didn't say it was) with a ridiculous one for effect.

[jeemak]

Well summed up.
A mate mentioned that if he got rid of the mullet he might blend in more but other than Bont he might be our most marketable player.

But he shouldn't have to get rid of the mullet, people just need to leave other people alone.

I feel people never really learned enough from what happens next in this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVKySA2-47c

[Grantysghost]

But he shouldn't have to get rid of the mullet, people just need to leave other people alone.

I feel people never really learned enough from what happens next in this scene:


The Mullet did the pushing.

Bailey's hair, whom I've named Kuato, is a parasitic life form with unknown intentions.

Also thanks for the Mos Eisley Cantina ear worm you just planted :cool:


https://youtu.be/pbj4Te_guxY

[jeemak]

Or like Snake's hair on Homer!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-iyHB_FYYY

[Grantysghost]

Or like Snake's hair on Homer!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-iyHB_FYYY

Haha perfect!

Bailey's followers :

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Je4BsnNpIdXlifK/giphy.gif

[MrMahatma]

This thread just went up a notch! Got pushed up?

Sounds like not much. I mean, I understand someone got hurt, but what less could someone do than push?

Slow news week.

[Testekill]

Sounds like a drunk asshole got in his face at the pub and he shoved him.

[Mitcha]

I'm tipping this blokes girlfriend's panties exploded when she saw Baz in the flesh and old mate got a touch jealous, move on, nothing to see here.

[1eyedog]

Baz is the biggest star in the AFL it's almost movie star level he needs to be careful about the decisions he makes. The quicker he realises he can't live a normal life from now on probably the better.

[comrade]

Dude needs to start hiring private rooms/booths pronto. Every drunk dick head with a skinful of Dutch courage will be trying their best to rattle his cage.

[bornadog]

Enjoy some highlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siOE6jqncsQ

[Grantysghost]

Enjoy some highlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siOE6jqncsQ

I thought we traded him? :cool:

[bornadog]

I thought we traded him? :cool:

Only in the game day thread which we don't talk about. ;)

[Grantysghost]

Only in the game day thread which we don't talk about. ;)

Is that a real thing?? :cool:

[azabob]

I thought we traded him? :cool:

Mate you had the whole club burnt to the ground a few weeks back!

[Grantysghost]

Mate you had the whole club burnt to the ground a few weeks back!

I stand by it.

And also completely distance myself from it.

It wasn't me it was the other three!
https://youtu.be/mn1Y7nhB16U

(goto about 1 min 50)

I was pretty average, my drunken heart wasn't just on my sleeve it was on every possible human attachment.

We were 19 points up in the 3rd quarter.... Bah!

It's the 2012 Hawks, I've seen the light now.

Question is, who is our Brian Harris?

[jeemak]

I didn't notice.

[Grantysghost]

I didn't notice.

I won't lie, there was some smoke and shadows behind the curtains.
But a keen eye may have picked it up.

[azabob]

I stand by it.

And also completely distance myself from it.

It wasn't me it was the other three!
https://youtu.be/mn1Y7nhB16U

(goto about 1 min 50)

I was pretty average, my drunken heart wasn't just on my sleeve it was on every possible human attachment.

We were 19 points up in the 3rd quarter.... Bah!

It's the 2012 Hawks, I've seen the light now.

Question is, who is our Brian Harris?

Either way I’m glad you are posting again.

I still think about Bonts goal in the third at least daily. Such a wasted wasted opportunity.

[EasternWest]

I didn't notice.

Yeah I'm not sure what the reference is, and I'm usually all over those.

[Grantysghost]

Yeah I'm not sure what the reference is, and I'm usually all over those.

Lost me too. Think it's in reference to some d1ck head on GF night.

Did that guy scare off Happy Days...

If so he should be banned.

[jeemak]

Lost me too. Think it's in reference to some d1ck head on GF night.

Did that guy scare off Happy Days...

If so he should be banned.

He doesn't scare that easily and will be back.