Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

[Twodogs]

Not sure it’s just young males BAD

Id like to be able to swing a left foot kick around my body running like that at any age.

[1eyedog]

Id like to be able to swing a left foot kick around my body running like that at any age.

No offence but for some reason I see you more as the Mitch Hannan bullocking-type who takes it cleanly then dishes off creatively out the side. Let the rock stars have their glory.

[jeemak]

No offence but for some reason I see you more as the Mitch Hannan bullocking-type who takes it cleanly then dishes off creatively out the side. Let the rock stars have their glory.

I fear you've just unleashed a Royce Hart screamer review anecdote.

[GVGjr]

I know he's had a late start to training this year but I think Smith could have a break out season in 2022.
He's been seriously good since he arrived at the club so I don't say this lightly but his ceiling is that of a star player and if he stays healthy in 2022 I think he can reach another level.

With a packed centre square midfield will he get enough time in there or could we plant him on a wing and let him be that link up player delivering the ball quickly into the fowards? Or could he play mainly as a forward with some sharp bursts in the midfield late in the quarters that catch a tiring opposition out?

The question I have for you all is how do we best use Smiths talents this year?

[The Underdog]

I know he's had a late start to training this year but I think Smith could have a break out season in 2022.
He's been seriously good since he arrived at the club so I don't say this lightly but his ceiling is that of a star player and if he stays healthy in 2022 I think he can reach another level.

With a packed centre square midfield will he get enough time in there or could we plant him on a wing and let him be that link up player delivering the ball quickly into the fowards? Or could he play mainly as a forward with some sharp bursts in the midfield late in the quarters that catch a tiring opposition out?

The question I have for you all is how do we best use Smiths talents this year?

I think the query on him until late in the year was carelessness with his disposal and his defensive positioning, but he seemed to clean that up by the end of the year and had a very strong finals.
I think he has to continue to build midfield minutes as he gives us a burst of speed that we probably only really get from Treloar otherwise. He has that capacity to run the wings and give us power through there, but I think he'll be a strong part of the midfield mix.
The midfield minutes mix is going to continue to be a huge question given the players who need time through there. If we have a fit Bont, Smith, Macrae, Treloar, Dunkley and Libba, it gets tight. Especially with Smith, Macrae and Dunks looking for big new contracts. Was interesting on the Danny Boyd podcast, they had Mitch Wallis on, who basically was pleading with the coaching staff not to pigeonhole him as a mid sized forward. Not sure he can get mid minutes with that crew but he clearly wants to be considered.

[Swoop]

You make an excellent point with regards to Bailey Smith. I think if you look back two seasons ago, his move to the wing was instrumental in our fightback against the Saints in the elimination final. With the addition of Treloar, the logical progression was for Smith to make the wing his own in 2021.

He started well but as the season unfolded, with injuries to Treloar and Dunkley, it became evident he needed to move into the middle. He offers us a real point of difference with his power and he has now evolved past merely being a wingman.

When Dunkley and Treloar returned in the 2nd half of the season, I believe part of our slump was attributed to struggling to manage our midfield dynamic. Eventually we settled on using both Treloar and Smith as high half forwards which allowed them to use their strengths to push up at the ball and get the ball into their hands in the forward half of the ground. This was a large reason Smith had such an influential finals series particularly with his impact on the scoreboard.

The flip side means that our forward line dynamic changes slightly to what it looked like in the first half of the season. I think the coaches are comfortable playing 3 athletic talls in English, Naughton, Jamarra , and even Hannan because they can still pressure the ball. This means there are less spots available for genuine small forwards, and means Weightman, Vandermeer, JJ and McNeil are vying for less spots.

I see 2022 unfolding in a similar manner to how last season finished. Having said that, I'm hoping Bailey is clearly in our best starting midfield by the end of the 2022 season.

[bornadog]

Do we think Smith should be playing the outside role of the inside role? He is very strong and has a burst of speed. I do like him in the middle, and as players like Libba begin to age, he will get more midfield time.

[GVGjr]

Do we think Smith should be playing the outside role of the inside role? He is very strong and has a burst of speed. I do like him in the middle, and as players like Libba begin to age, he will get more midfield time.

He doesn't have any limits, I think he could perform brilliantly well in any roles he was asked to play.

[kruder]

I have a feeling GVGjr there won't be much trade Bailey Smith talk this year on Woof that's for sure.

With the plaudits he received on his finals performances and the impact he had on games I think he will be more willing to play and accept the outside role when needed. I'm not sure during the season he ever did, which was reflective in his average performances but a so called striker role suits him, he may not get 30 every week but can seriously impact the game when it counts and get recognised for it, will suit him down to the ground.

The other thing I noticed during the finals is that he was prepaid to hold onto the pill a little longer which saw the game open up around him, I'm excited to see more growth in this area , I agree lookout 2023.

[bornadog]

Coming of Age

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP9BCfAaQAgD5YM?format=jpg&name=large

[Bulldog4life]

Bailey Smith's profile has exploded since his scintillating finals – he finished fourth in the Gary Ayres Medal following a dominant burst – but the hype doesn’t seem to be affecting his football. The 21-year-old has started the season with 33, 31, 36 and now 43 disposals – six more than his previous best – in a best on ground performance on Good Friday. While other midfielders have generated more praise across the first five rounds, no one is averaging more touches than the Victorian, who is averaging 35.8 disposals and 6.5 inside 50s after missing round two due to injury. Smith tormented North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium on Friday, finishing with nine score involvements, seven inside 50s and 646 metres gained in a performance that attracted plenty of praise from Luke Beveridge post-game. Not hard to see why brands are clamouring to get the Bulldogs star to sign with them. Now the Dogs need him to sign on the dotted line.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/741658/eight-things-we-learned-this-demon-deserves-more-credit

[Axe Man]

Baz has had a trim...

https://i.postimg.cc/VvGSdycd/baz.webp (https://postimages.org/)

[Go_Dogs]

Gone the Draper look. Interesting.

[Grantysghost]

Baz has had a trim...

https://i.postimg.cc/VvGSdycd/baz.webp (https://postimages.org/)

Watch every teenage kid rock this in the next month.

[GVGjr]

Is it just me or is he now starting to look like a pretty boy version of Wayne Weidemann?
:)

[Hotdog60]

We used know how to wear a mullet in my day bloody amateurs.

[Happy Days]

When he gets a normal haircut it’s absolutely over for everyone else.

[EasternWest]

Watch every teenage kid rock this in the next month.

Wrong post.

[EasternWest]

Baz has had a trim...

https://i.postimg.cc/VvGSdycd/baz.webp (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/qqsRdqbV/images-3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mantis]

How are we rating Bailey's year so far?

Increased his numbers, runs hard, big TOG, but are we getting the most out of him?

[GVGjr]

How are we rating Bailey's year so far?

Increased his numbers, runs hard, big TOG, but are we getting the most out of him?

Goal kicking aside he's been very impressive, I'm not sure we can get a lot more from him without running him into the ground.
Do you have some suggestions where we might be be able to get a bit more out of him.

[Swoop]

It's a real hard one to judge isn't it? What is his best position? How does he compliment our other midfielders?

One of the issues with Bailey is that he has more versatility than some of our other midfielders such as Dunkley, Libba and Macrae. Ultimately his best position for his own development is as an inside midfielder who has the ability to win the inside football and be damaging on the outside. No different to other explosive mids in the Dusty/Petracca mould (not a comparison for talent just player type). I really like his Round 1 game where he played predominantly as a genuine midfielder.

Conversely, the best thing for the team is to combine his time elsewhere to allow Dunkley, Macrae and Libba minutes through the midfield.

It seems like we've settled on a high half forward role which allows him to spend plenty of time on the ground. He can push up the field and still be damaging in the forward half of the ground with stints through the midfield when needed.

His development has definitely put pressure on our other mids. As the season goes on there will be increasing pressure on others around him. I wouldn't mind seeing Macrae spending a few minutes through the wing and Dunkley forward to have a better balance for Bailey.

Early on he was wasteful with the footy but I think the past few weeks have been slowly correcting themselves. If he is to be successful in the role, he needs to be a bit more damaging but he is young and it is part of his development. He still has been one of our best performing players this year, he just needs to keep working on his game and ironing out a few areas.

Can any of our mids go elsewhere to allow for his development?

[azabob]

It's a real hard one to judge isn't it? What is his best position? How does he compliment our other midfielders?

One of the issues with Bailey is that he has more versatility than some of our other midfielders such as Dunkley, Libba and Macrae. Ultimately his best position for his own development is as an inside midfielder who has the ability to win the inside football and be damaging on the outside. No different to other explosive mids in the Dusty/Petracca mould (not a comparison for talent just player type). I really like his Round 1 game where he played predominantly as a genuine midfielder.

Conversely, the best thing for the team is to combine his time elsewhere to allow Dunkley, Macrae and Libba minutes through the midfield.

It seems like we've settled on a high half forward role which allows him to spend plenty of time on the ground. He can push up the field and still be damaging in the forward half of the ground with stints through the midfield when needed.

His development has definitely put pressure on our other mids. As the season goes on there will be increasing pressure on others around him. I wouldn't mind seeing Macrae spending a few minutes through the wing and Dunkley forward to have a better balance for Bailey.

Early on he was wasteful with the footy but I think the past few weeks have been slowly correcting themselves. If he is to be successful in the role, he needs to be a bit more damaging but he is young and it is part of his development. He still has been one of our best performing players this year, he just needs to keep working on his game and ironing out a few areas.

Can any of our mids go elsewhere to allow for his development?

I think the obvious choice is Treloar. I'm a Treloar fan for everything he can bring to the table but he has been too inconsistent this year.

[bornadog]

I think the obvious choice is Treloar. I'm a Treloar fan for everything he can bring to the table but he has been too inconsistent this year.

On Treloar, I think he has been very consistent this year. He is getting about the same number of disposals each week.

On Smith - the one area that I believe is still a flaw is his wild kicking when he decides to just belt the ball forward to no one in particular. He is getting better each week, but I would like him to hit more targets.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

His disposal lets him down, but he's still growing his game.

I'd actually like us to make him our #1 mid and really encourage him to take us on his shoulders. His game is quite well rounded in that he can win contested ball but he can also break away from stoppage - the rest of our mids can really only do one or the other.

As Swoop said, he's flexible, but I think it's time others accommodate to him and not the other way around.

Give him the keys.

[Mantis]

Goal kicking aside he's been very impressive, I'm not sure we can get a lot more from him without running him into the ground.
Do you have some suggestions where we might be be able to get a bit more out of him.

Like others have mentioned we need to get him into the midfield more as he has a big POD, with others being a bit too vanilla... really noticed his lack of impact against Port when he played 60% game time as a forward.

His ball use needs to improve... and I'd like to see more variety in his game when he takes possession. Too much pin the ears back and take on the tackler rather than to perhaps look to hand the ball off to a team-mate in a better position. Obviously we want him to play to his strengths, but not to the detriment of our ball movement.

[EasternWest]

His disposal lets him down, but he's still growing his game.

I'd actually like us to make him our #1 mid and really encourage him to take us on his shoulders. His game is quite well rounded in that he can win contested ball but he can also break away from stoppage - the rest of our mids can really only do one or the other.

As Swoop said, he's flexible, but I think it's time others accommodate to him and not the other way around.

Give him the keys.

Spot on.

He's so young, yet carries a massive load for us every week.

He's only going to get better too. Just a freakishly good player.

[Mantis]

His disposal lets him down, but he's still growing his game.

I'd actually like us to make him our #1 mid and really encourage him to take us on his shoulders. His game is quite well rounded in that he can win contested ball but he can also break away from stoppage - the rest of our mids can really only do one or the other.

As Swoop said, he's flexible, but I think it's time others accommodate to him and not the other way around.

Give him the keys.

In front of Bontempelli? I know Bont hasn't been himself this year, but he's in the best 2-3 players in the comp when he's up & going so it's a stretch to think Smith takes the #1 spot.

[boydogs]

Smith isn't the problem, like with most Bulldog sides in living memory it's our talls letting us down

[Bulldog Joe]

Smith isn't the problem, like with most Bulldog sides in living memory it's our talls letting us down

Against Port Adelaide there were very few talls to let us down. When Ed Richards is playing on the tallest opposition forward you are going to be in a lot of trouble with the ball in the air.

[kruder]

Loving his development I still think he has another gear of quality to come with experience. IMO he needs to hold on to the ball longer, when he does things will open up around him and you will see his efficiency improve.

[boydogs]

Against Port Adelaide there were very few talls to let us down. When Ed Richards is playing on the tallest opposition forward you are going to be in a lot of trouble with the ball in the air.

We were totally uncompetitive in the air in defense. We lost hitouts 40-21, but our mids still won the clearances. The issue was not Bailey Smith's midfield time

[The Bulldogs Bite]

In front of Bontempelli? I know Bont hasn't been himself this year, but he's in the best 2-3 players in the comp when he's up & going so it's a stretch to think Smith takes the #1 spot.

Yep, in front of Bont.

I'm concerned about Bont's body and the reality is he's always going to play a fair chunk forward. He's obviously the better player at full flight and in key moments he should be right in the thick of it, but it should be alongside Smith - not in replace of.

[azabob]

Oh boy, Sammy Edumond reporting a photo of Smith circulating with a bag of white power.

[angelopetraglia]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU7jh23aUAA2IGj?format=jpg&name=large

[angelopetraglia]

Sam Edmund

"A photo appearing to show Bulldogs superstar Bailey Smith with a bag of white powder has surfaced.
A video is also in circulation of Smith at a party where he leans away from the camera before returning.
It's unclear when they were recorded. Dogs have been contacted for comment"

[Grantysghost]

What a flog.

[jeemak]

Oh man. These dickheads and their fascination with filming their drug use. Will they ever learn?

That's him suspended for a few weeks I guess. Not sure we'll secure much for him when he asks for a trade at the end of the year.

[Grantysghost]

Oh man. These dickheads and their fascination with filming their drug use. Will they ever learn?

That's him suspended for a few weeks I guess. Not sure we'll secure much for him when he asks for a trade at the end of the year.

Cotton on will love it too.

[angelopetraglia]

Sounds like a little has changed since this then https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/miles-ahead-smith-s-discipline-sets-him-apart-20181107-p50elp.html

"Not only is he renowned as one of the hardest trainers in this year’s draft pool, but he’s also incredibly strict on himself.

Smith plans and cooks every meal himself, intermittently fasts and has never touched a drop of alcohol – and doesn’t plan to for the entirety of his AFL career.

“I’ve never had it, it’s a mental thing, it’s just not worth it,” Smith told Fairfax Media.

“I’ve come this far, why waste it?”

“I might [try it] when I’m old. Like, really old.”

Smith wouldn’t be the only draftee who plans to stay away from the booze, but his dedication to his diet and personalised training program is unlikely to be matched"

[jeemak]

Whilst I'm glad the bullshit that came/ comes out of my mouth isn't in print, that was some class A bullshit at the time and is even more so now.

[EasternWest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU7jh23aUAA2IGj?format=jpg&name=large

WTAF?

Like just to be clear, I am a small l Liberal when it comes to drugs. All drugs should be decriminalised, legalized, measured and monitored in my opinion.

I'm not stupid enough to think our players (and a lot of young men in the league) aren't using. But what I can't believe is their inability for discretion if they're going to do it. Just so, so stupid.

[Grantysghost]

Sounds like a little has changed since this then https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/miles-ahead-smith-s-discipline-sets-him-apart-20181107-p50elp.html

"Not only is he renowned as one of the hardest trainers in this year’s draft pool, but he’s also incredibly strict on himself.

Smith plans and cooks every meal himself, intermittently fasts and has never touched a drop of alcohol – and doesn’t plan to for the entirety of his AFL career.

“I’ve never had it, it’s a mental thing, it’s just not worth it,” Smith told Fairfax Media.

“I’ve come this far, why waste it?”

“I might [try it] when I’m old. Like, really old.”

Smith wouldn’t be the only draftee who plans to stay away from the booze, but his dedication to his diet and personalised training program is unlikely to be matched"

They don't drink it puts on weight.

Do you guys recall the Collingwood game and some mono toothed cretin was giving it to Bailey by pretending to snort.

Bailey did the weirdest thing, he smiled at him and did some weird tongue dance which probably got him 50k more insta followers.

[Grantysghost]

Bailey v Pies fan (pretending to snort). Might be his dealer?


https://youtu.be/no3myrZTtyM

[jeemak]

WTAF?

Like just to be clear, I am a small l Liberal when it comes to drugs. All drugs should be decriminalised, legalized, measured and monitored in my opinion.

I'm not stupid enough to think our players (and a lot of young men in the league) aren't using. But what I can't believe is their inability for discretion if they're going to do it. Just so, so stupid.

No way, not with the war on drugs going so well in its 50th year!

[Grantysghost]

WTAF?

Like just to be clear, I am a small l Liberal when it comes to drugs. All drugs should be decriminalised, legalized, measured and monitored in my opinion.

I'm not stupid enough to think our players (and a lot of young men in the league) aren't using. But what I can't believe is their inability for discretion if they're going to do it. Just so, so stupid.

I love how you've dropped that first paragraph in there. Haha so subtle. Waiting for implosion in 5,4,3....

[azabob]

Cotton on will love it too.

I think that will be the last straw for them.

[Grantysghost]

I think that will be the last straw for them.

Thank God, I'm sick of seeing him semi naked whilst driving around town.
It makes me feel things, things I've been told are unnatural.

Like.. I feel I should eat less and go to the gym more.

[EasternWest]

No way, not with the war on drugs going so well in its 50th year!

Ha ha ha.

I don't want to delve to far into it, but I can tell you're in the same page as me. The war on drugs is a farce, there's actually no war because wars end.

It's time to accept drugs are real. If you want to make an impact on the effect they're having in the community then behave like grown ups around the issue.

I can tell you from first hand boots on the ground experience that if it's a war, the war is lost.


I love how you've dropped that first paragraph in there. Haha so subtle. Waiting for implosion in 5,4,3....

I just wanted to be clear I wasn't a pearl clutching big L Liberal. I'm a raging socialist. Come at me bro.

[angelopetraglia]

It does feel like the entire media hype and socia media mania has gone to his head (he now has 371K followers, Buddy has 353K and the Bulldogs have 173K). Does he have any good friends inside the club? As a complete outsider it doesn't feel like he is particularly close to any teamates?

(Just had a look at his insta. The amount of photos he has on there without a top in is more disturbing that the photo of him with the bag).

[chef]

My daughter knows his ex, so it's no surprise to me and just some of the dodgy shit he's been up too. Sounds like a POS as a human TBH.

[Grantysghost]

Ha ha ha.

I don't want to delve to far into it, but I can tell you're in the same page as me. The war on drugs is a farce, there's actually no war because wars end.

It's time to accept drugs are real. If you want to make an impact on the effect they're having in the community then behave like grown ups around the issue.

I can tell you from first hand boots on the ground experience that if it's a war, the war is lost.



I just wanted to be clear I wasn't a pearl clutching big L Liberal. I'm a raging socialist. Come at me bro.

Haha. At least if meth is legal we wouldn't have to worry about funnelling so much money into diabetes.

The genocide side effect could be an issue.

I don't want to drag this out as you don't want to talk about it so I'll stop. Right now. Won't respond again. ;)

[Grantysghost]

My daughter knows his ex, so it's no surprise to me and just some of the dodgy shit he's been up too. Sounds like a POS as a human TBH.

You have to dm me the deets chef so tantalising! And dm some macaroons.

[EasternWest]

Haha. At least if meth is legal we wouldn't have to worry about funnelling so much money into diabetes.

The genocide side effect could be an issue.

I don't want to drag this out as you don't want to talk about it so I'll stop. Right now. Won't respond again. ;)

Oh I'm happy to talk about it, I just didn't want to be the one to go in and on about it (because I could).

[EasternWest]

You have to dm me the deets chef so tantalising! And dm some macaroons.

Seconded.

Do you deliver to Uluru?

[jeemak]

My daughter knows his ex, so it's no surprise to me and just some of the dodgy shit he's been up too. Sounds like a POS as a human TBH.

No way man, he's a good Christian from a great family, and from an amazing school that churns out really well balanced young men.

[jeemak]

Anyway, the club has released a statement:

“The Western Bulldogs are aware of images of Bailey Smith circulating on social media,” a statement released on Saturday morning read.

“The club is investigating the legitimacy of these images and is not in a position to comment further at this time.”

Let's see how this plays out. Not going to lay into the kid too much.

[Grantysghost]

Anyway, the club has released a statement:

“The Western Bulldogs are aware of images of Bailey Smith circulating on social media,” a statement released on Saturday morning read.

“The club is investigating the legitimacy of these images and is not in a position to comment further at this time.”

Let's see how this plays out. Not going to lay into the kid too much.

Could be sugar.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

just posted this in the not worth a thread. Hope it’s not

[EasternWest]

Could be sugar.

https://i.postimg.cc/FsybyNG1/images-5.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[The Bulldogs Bite]

It does appear that his values have changed in recent times from what I've seen.

Tend to think it's gone to his head, which isn't hard to fathom. He needs to be careful from this point forward that he doesn't turn for the worst though.

[Vred]

Wow… just *!*!*!*!ing wow

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

I know. Here I was shaking my head at those brawling Demons and look what happened

[The Underdog]

Quelle surprise...might be missing more than 2. What a week for his reputation.

[Happy Days]

Personally I full on don’t give a shit about the drug use but people who show off about taking drugs are so toy, so I feel like this is a bit of a hit to his brand as a hot cool guy.

[GVGjr]

Anyway, the club has released a statement:

“The Western Bulldogs are aware of images of Bailey Smith circulating on social media,” a statement released on Saturday morning read.

“The club is investigating the legitimacy of these images and is not in a position to comment further at this time.”

Let's see how this plays out. Not going to lay into the kid too much.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

[The Underdog]

Personally I full on don’t give a shit about the drug use but people who show off about taking drugs are so toy, so I feel like this is a bit of a hit to his brand as a hot cool guy.

Agree about the use, but to flaunt it like this and expect it won't get out there is just dumb as *!*!*!*!. Suspected he was a bit of a dickhead, now confirmed.

[The Underdog]

Innocent until proven otherwise.

That's pretty damning evidence. Gonna need a pretty good explanation to get out of it.

[1eyedog]

Unless this is photoshopped who cares whether he used or not. He's a contracted AFL listed player for the Bulldogs effectively stating to his 300k followers that drugs are cool. The implications are huge. Won't see him for many many weeks I'd assume. Bye bye sponsorships and lifestyle. Prolly the best thing that could happen to him honestly.

Has he signed that contract yet?

[GVGjr]

That's pretty damning evidence. Gonna need a pretty good explanation to get out of it.

It might be a damning image but for me it's not quite evidence at the moment.

I have a different opinion to many regarding drug use but the overriding thought at the moment is that I hope he gets the support and whatever counseling he needs if this actually an issue. I'm confident the club will be a huge support for him.
At the moment footy is a somewhat secondary consideration as far as I'm concerned.

Whatever happens I hope he gets back to the basics because despite his tremendous talent at times he does appear to be getting ahead of himself.

I caught up with a number of ex colleagues last night for a meal and we mainly talked about footy (It's a super coach draft league group) and the colleague who has Smith in his team was talking positively about how good of a player Smith was and that the world was his oyster. It goes to show that things can change quickly in life.

[Grantysghost]

Yes, yes he does.

https://i.postimg.cc/mrvfC7NB/Screenshot-20220611-125214-Outlook.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Grantysghost]

Yes, yes he does.

https://i.postimg.cc/mrvfC7NB/Screenshot-20220611-125214-Outlook.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Literally just popped up in my emails. Classic timing.

[GVGjr]

Edmond believes this is an image from last year.

[Scraggers]

The only person who truly knows what is going on here is Bailey (and maybe the person who took the pics/video). With the amount of trolling and face duplication technologies, I’m not 100% convinced it’s him. I think the club are right to not pass judgement until it has been investigated properly.
If it is in fact Bazlenka, then yes, his image is tarnished and it will cost him a whole heap of sponsorship. If it’s not him … well

[jeemak]

If that's not a case of cocaine tongue I've never seen one.......

Anyway, let's see how it plays out.

[whythelongface]

Ha ha ha.

I don't want to delve to far into it, but I can tell you're in the same page as me. The war on drugs is a farce, there's actually no war because wars end.

It's time to accept drugs are real. If you want to make an impact on the effect they're having in the community then behave like grown ups around the issue.

I can tell you from first hand boots on the ground experience that if it's a war, the war is lost.



I just wanted to be clear I wasn't a pearl clutching big L Liberal. I'm a raging socialist. Come at me bro.

It is an interesting discussion. Maybe not for a footy forum, but totally agree with where you are coming from.

As for Bailey will reserve any judgement until the situation is fully investigated.

[Bulldog4life]

Innocent until proven otherwise.

Agree let this play out before we all judge and condemn.

[Bulldog4life]

Unless this is photoshopped who cares whether he used or not. He's a contracted AFL listed player for the Bulldogs effectively stating to his 300k followers that drugs are cool. The implications are huge. Won't see him for many many weeks I'd assume. Bye bye sponsorships and lifestyle. Prolly the best thing that could happen to him honestly.

Has he signed that contract yet?

Bingo!

[EasternWest]

I have a different opinion to many regarding drug use but the overriding thought at the moment is that I hope he gets the support and whatever.

But this is part of the issue. What if it isn't a problem and he doesn't need counseling?

What if he uses "sugar" like you and I have a beer?

[azabob]

The Age is reporting the photo was taken late last year when Smith was on his mental health break away from the club.

[chef]

Seconded.

Do you deliver to Uluru?

Is Kyabram on your way home?

[EasternWest]

Is Kyabram on your way home?

https://i.postimg.cc/fT4T9gzR/giphy-downsized-large.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[EasternWest]

Also let's be honest this is crap viewing, but it's clearly not the worst photo Smith has been involved in.

https://i.postimg.cc/8z0Y7xGy/20220611-132546.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rD5jbnKW)

[bornadog]

Yes, yes he does.

https://i.postimg.cc/mrvfC7NB/Screenshot-20220611-125214-Outlook.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Maccas is worse than taking drugs

[GVGjr]

But this is part of the issue. What if it isn't a problem and he doesn't need counseling?

What if he uses "sugar" like you and I have a beer?

He will still need some support given the focus it has. I dare say he will need some counseling as well.

[EasternWest]

He will still need some support given the focus it has. I dare say he will need some counseling as well.

Sure, but I don't think that's what you were referring to originally.

[1eyedog]

Bingo!

Nah reckon he was on the gear during his break. Might have been the reason why he left. Sort stuff out. He can come out and say yes I was away from the club and did some things I'm not proud of but I've moved on from that difficult period and healed. That should do it.

[GVGjr]

It might be a damning image but for me it's not quite evidence at the moment.

I have a different opinion to many regarding drug use but the overriding thought at the moment is that I hope he gets the support and whatever counseling he needs if this actually an issue. I'm confident the club will be a huge support for him.
At the moment footy is a somewhat secondary consideration as far as I'm concerned.

Whatever happens I hope he gets back to the basics because despite his tremendous talent at times he does appear to be getting ahead of himself.

I caught up with a number of ex colleagues last night for a meal and we mainly talked about footy (It's a super coach draft league group) and the colleague who has Smith in his team was talking positively about how good of a player Smith was and that the world was his oyster. It goes to show that things can change quickly in life.


Sure, but I don't think that's what you were referring to originally.

Lets put the original post back up.
If it is an issue for him, he will need support. I suspect that even if it isn't an issue he will need some support and/or counseling.

[bornadog]

Lets put the original post back up.
If it is an issue for him, he will need support. I suspect that even if it isn't an issue he will need some support and/or counseling.


Nah reckon he was on the gear during his break. Might have been the reason why he left. Sort stuff out. He can come out and say yes I was away from the club and did some things I'm not proud of but I've moved on from that difficult period and healed. That should do it.

My guess is 1eye is correct and he got support in that period he was away. If he needs more support, the club will give it to him.

[The Underdog]

So is mental health break now a standard AFL euphemism for I’ve gone a bit hard on the gear and I need to be somewhere I can rehab / am unlikely to get tested?

[EasternWest]

Lets put the original post back up.
If it is an issue for him, he will need support. I suspect that even if it isn't an issue he will need some support and/or counseling.

So are you saying it's an issue for Bailey or there'll be an issue because of it?

Anyway, I've just sent the video, or a video anyway, and the case is now closed.

[Scorlibo]

There's going to be a huge variety of takes on the drugz that are part of broader discussions. As it pertains to Bailey and our season, I'm

a) surprised that he would commit this moment to a photo. Who knows where his head was at to make that seem like a smart thing to do, maybe he was in a depressive phase, maybe it's part of a broader compulsion to share his life experiences for external affirmation, maybe it was sent to someone who he 100% trusted to keep it private. Whichever way you look at it, there is/was something going on for him personally.

b) worried for him given the scrutiny it will bring, he speaks openly about a fear of being judged. He'll cop all sorts on the field as well. Agree with GVG our primary concern should be for his welfare and making sure he has a good support network.

c) worried for the Club if (b) isn't handled right that we either won't get the best out of Bailey from here on in or he will choose to move somewhere else

[SquirrelGrip]

So is mental health break now a standard AFL euphemism for I’ve gone a bit hard on the gear and I need to be somewhere I can rehab / am unlikely to get tested?

Yes it is

[SquirrelGrip]

Bailey has made a statement

https://i.postimg.cc/pLvsQpgW/681-CA99-D-3-B60-4065-BE04-A50779-EE7-B0-A.jpg (https://postimg.cc/SJZLkNS3)

[EasternWest]

Bailey has made a statement

https://i.postimg.cc/pLvsQpgW/681-CA99-D-3-B60-4065-BE04-A50779-EE7-B0-A.jpg (https://postimg.cc/SJZLkNS3)

Well at least he's got on the front foot and hasn't tried to deny it.

GVG is right :) and he's gonna need support as it'll be a rough year from the crowd from here in for Bailey.

[1eyedog]

Nah reckon he was on the gear during his break. Might have been the reason why he left. Sort stuff out. He can come out and say yes I was away from the club and did some things I'm not proud of but I've moved on from that difficult period and healed. That should do it.

Aaaaaaand done.

[EasternWest]

Aaaaaaand done.

Stable genius. Vote 1ed.

[bornadog]

Aaaaaaand done.

You were spot on.

Good on him for fessing up.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Bailey has made a statement

https://i.postimg.cc/pLvsQpgW/681-CA99-D-3-B60-4065-BE04-A50779-EE7-B0-A.jpg (https://postimg.cc/SJZLkNS3)

Brilliant response by Smith.

[bornadog]

STATEMENT FROM WESTERN BULLDOGS CEO AMEET BAINS


We are extremely disappointed to have observed social media content showing Bailey Smith with an illicit substance.

This content was captured after the 2021 AFL season, while the players were on personal leave.

We absolutely do not condone our players being involved with illicit substances and firmly believe players are well-educated on what constitutes appropriate behaviour.

As a football club with significant influence, we have a responsibility to uphold the highest of standards, as we represent the community, our members and fans, our corporate partners and our other stakeholders.

Bailey is a young man who has faced many challenges and pressures off the field in recent times which he has spoken of extensively. He endured a particularly difficult time towards the end of last year that ultimately led to time away from football.

While this clearly does not excuse his behaviour, it is our responsibility as a Club to ensure we have supported, and we continue to support, Bailey’s health and wellbeing.

We are encouraged that this year, Bailey has successfully put steps in place to ensure he can manage his mental health and be strong in his decision-making, while being able to perform to the best of his ability on the field. This has been reflected in his strong on-field performances across the 2022 AFL season.

The Club has supported Bailey through this process, and we will continue to work closely with him and provide him the support he needs, as he continues his journey as a Bulldogs player.

The Club and the AFL Integrity Unit continue to investigate the emergence of the content on social media and the context surrounding it. An outcome of that investigation will be communicated in due course.

STATEMENT FROM BAILEY SMITH

I have recently been made aware of the presence of social media content that shows me with an illicit substance.

In confronting this, the temptation is to speak in vague generalities and avoid the issue. However, I am determined to learn the lessons of my past and be a better person in the future.

After much reflection, I am now in a position to confess to indulging in behaviours in late 2021 of which I am deeply ashamed. I do not have an excuse for those behaviours, however the state of my mental health over that period post Grand Final dramatically deteriorated, and I spiralled out of control leading to poor decision making and actions at the time. All of this resulting in the leave I took from football at the commencement of pre-season training late last year.

The depth of my emotions over that period, coupled with some of my behaviours, have reminded me that, as a person, I am still very much a work-in-progress.

I know I have obligations beyond myself, not just contractually – but in terms of the example I set through the decisions I make, and I will be better.

I have made mistakes. I am very aware of that, and I fully own it.

I unreservedly apologise to my family, my teammates, my club and its sponsors, the AFL, my supporters and my sponsors.

I have made mistakes, but I resolve to learn from each and to do all I can to avoid letting myself down, and those around me.

[Grantysghost]

Be so full circle if Morris was the one who leaked it.

[EasternWest]

Be so full circle if Morris was the one who leaked it.

Jaime Lannister sends his regards.

[bornadog]

Jaime Lannister sends his regards.

Winter is coming

[Grantysghost]

Winter is coming

Is that a white powder reference bad?

[Grantysghost]

Jaime Lannister sends his regards.

I preferred him when he pushed kids out of towers.

[EasternWest]

I preferred him when he pushed kids out of towers.

Eh. I preferred him when his character arc was interesting not trite junk.

[chef]

Bailey has made a statement

https://i.postimg.cc/pLvsQpgW/681-CA99-D-3-B60-4065-BE04-A50779-EE7-B0-A.jpg (https://postimg.cc/SJZLkNS3)

That's a pretty decent statement from Baz. Nice to see him own it.

[The Underdog]

That's a pretty decent statement from Baz. Nice to see him own it.

Mostly.
Aside from the I have no excuse, but here’s my excuse bit, it’s a very solid statement and much stronger than a lot of players in similar situations. He didn’t have a lot of options though. Between the photos and video he was absolutely caught out.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I don't care so much about the drugs part. We all make our own choices, but what he has to realise is the potential ramifications of his decisions. The 'worst case' is he becomes addicted, ala Ben Cousins, but none of them think that when they start. However, the main thing he needs to be cognisant of is that it could rob him of a fortune.

He could become the richest player by far if he plays his cards right, both in terms of his on field ability and his massive profile off it.

Is it really worth risking over? That's the question I hope he asks himself moving forward.

[Ghost Dog]

I don't care so much about the drugs part. We all make our own choices, but what he has to realise is the potential ramifications of his decisions. The 'worst case' is he becomes addicted, ala Ben Cousins, but none of them think that when they start. However, the main thing he needs to be cognisant of is that it could rob him of a fortune.

He could become the richest player by far if he plays his cards right, both in terms of his on field ability and his massive profile off it.

Is it really worth risking over? That's the question I hope he asks himself moving forward.

Just to clarify, if the potential for addiction is there, isn't it really a drugs issue?
Or do you see it as a mental health issue.

[Grantysghost]

Just to clarify, if the potential for addiction is there, isn't it really a drugs issue?
Or do you see it as a mental health issue.

Chicken egg.

Sometimes drugs lead to mental health issues.
Sometimes mental health issues lead to drugs.

There's no right answer, it's different for everyone and that's why speaking about how it is for you is super important and receiving support and understanding.

I know a little about Bailey from the mother of his mate and the mental health issues are nothing new.

[westbulldog]

He made a mistake, most 21yo's do. Yes he is high profile, yes he has owned it and publicly apologized. It would be nice to hear our non-existent President provide some public support to the young man. Lets not crucify him but get around him, support him in every way and move on.

[Scraggers]

This is really disappointing; my daughter and niece idolise Bazlenka. He is the example that they all look up to. He has let a lot of people down. I hope the “mental health” break was precisely that and not our club hiding him from drug testing whilst it remained in his system. I would like to have complete faith in him and the club (or any footy club for that matter) but I just can’t be sure anymore.

[jeemak]

This is really disappointing; my daughter and niece idolise Bazlenka. He is the example that they all look up to. He has let a lot of people down. I hope the “mental health” break was precisely that and not our club hiding him from drug testing whilst it remained in his system. I would like to have complete faith in him and the club (or any footy club for that matter) but I just can’t be sure anymore.

I don't have kids, so this is from the cheap seats, but this is a great opportunity to talk to them about a conversation that may usually be difficult to broach and often comes after the fact/ after they've had a crack themselves.

[jazzadogs]

On an unrelated note I do recall Bailey spending a fair chunk of time post-grand final on the Gold Coast with Billy Gowers.

[Grantysghost]

On an unrelated note I do recall Bailey spending a fair chunk of time post-grand final on the Gold Coast with Billy Gowers.

It's also whose house he drove Lachie Hunter to after he stacked his car.

[bornadog]

He made a mistake, most 21yo's do. Yes he is high profile, yes he has owned it and publicly apologized. It would be nice to hear our non-existent President provide some public support to the young man. Lets not crucify him but get around him, support him in every way and move on.

The CEO came out and made the club statement. Do we really need the president as well?

[Grantysghost]

The CEO came out and made the club statement. Do we really need the president as well?
We might be just so used to Gordon and his style it’s hard to get used to KWW.

[bornadog]

We might be just so used to Gordon and his style it’s hard to get used to KWW.

Very few Presidents come out and be the spokes person for the club. Kennett in the past has been outspoken, and Peter was very hands on. The GC president doesn't hold back, but other than those they usually take a back seat.

[jeemak]

I only want the president to be heard on strategic matters, not tactical and fire fighting matters like this.

PG was great, and was who we needed. But I think it would have been part of the plan to get the club running as a business operation and like most corporate structures leave it to the CEO and COO etc. to do the heavy lifting with the board over the top for governance.

[bornadog]

Smith tackles poor choices head-on with illicit substance confession (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/smith-tackles-poor-choices-head-on-with-illicit-substance-confession-20220611-p5at1o.html)


Bailey Smith entered the AFL as a cleanskin. He has told associates he had never touched illicit drugs until October of last year, in the period following the grand final.


Only Smith can explain what precisely triggered his descent into an “illicit substance” for a period late last year. But if his history as a meticulous preparer makes his indulgence surprising, we should not be shocked that he would be captured on video and in photographs holding the bag, so to speak.

For Smith is among the absolutely most photographed and Instagrammed footballers in the game, with a social media following that dwarfs that of many clubs; his looks, hair and cool charm have seen “Bazlenka” - his social media handle - become a favourite of youth, irrespective of club or code allegiance.


Smith’s image on social platforms gives the impression of a hip, slightly edgy and confident footballer with a mullet for the ages. But the reality - as Smith has freely admitted - is that he’s a 21-year-old who has struggled with mental health issues, in the form of anxiety.


That Smith has been hoist on - not quite his own - social media petard is embarrassing for both the Bulldogs and the AFL. The former will face questions about their culture - the lot of clubs when players muck up in public (see Melbourne over the past five days), while the AFL will have their welfare-based drug policies critiqued yet again.


Last night, Smith and his camp received the positive news that clothing giant Cotton On, which uses the popular player as a brand ambassador, would retain him.

It may or may not have influenced Cotton On’s call, but it was clear that the damage to player, club and AFL had been mitigated – at least partially – by Smith’s own response, which is the strongest and most honest by any recent AFL player who has been caught in a drug imbroglio of his own making.


Smith, importantly, fessed up to his sins and he did this almost immediately, admitting to the “illicit substance”, expressing shame and vowing to improve himself. Within several hours of the still photographs of him holding the white powder (the video came later) surfacing, Smith had put out his contrite confession, in concert with the club, killing the video and photographic birds with one stone.

Smith, from what one can gather, was again having a tough time on Saturday. Those around him say that this period of post-season excess was an aberration - a window of poor choices - and that he has since rebalanced his life, stabilised and that this has been reflected in his performances on the field (notwithstanding the headbutting suspension).


The AFL will likely impose a penalty on Smith, which would be added to his two games missed for the headbutt on Zach Tuohy. If you take a line through Brad Crouch, caught in possession of drugs late in 2020 (before he left the Crows for St Kilda), Smith will get a maximum of a two-match suspension.


The penalty, in any case, is usually the damage to one’s image/reputation. In Smith’s case, this will be the part that hits hardest, having carved out a unique following that presented him with commercial opportunities.


That said, it’s not a huge call to connect the enormous following that Smith has generated, a largely organic happening on the internet, and his post-season troubles. How does such adulation impact upon a 21-year-old with anxiety issues? Best to leave that one to the mental health experts.

For the club and the AFL, it was clear that they were caught between two non-negotiables that can conflict - the necessity of taking a moral stance against the offending behaviour and the need to protect a young man with mental health vulnerabilities.


Yet ultimately, as Smith seemed to recognise, the environment and the strange cult of internet celebrity that have engulfed him cannot be used as an excuse.


For as surely as Bailey Smith has his own brand and his own fevered following, he alone owns his image - and his actions.

[Scraggers]

I don't have kids, so this is from the cheap seats, but this is a great opportunity to talk to them about a conversation that may usually be difficult to broach and often comes after the fact/ after they've had a crack themselves.

You’re correct, everything is a learning experience and this provides the opportunity to have conversations. I’m very lucky that I have great relationships with my kids and extended family and can talk about any topic with them. But unfortunately there are more families that can’t/don’t have these sorts of conversations. These are the ones I fear for the most.

[jazzadogs]

It's also whose house he drove Lachie Hunter to after he stacked his car.

I have also noticed on social media that Billy and Steven May are good friends.

[westbulldog]

The CEO came out and made the club statement. Do we really need the president as well?
It would be nice to hear anything from her, she is invisible, this might have been an opportunity for her to at least show some support for the young man.

[GVGjr]

The CEO came out and made the club statement. Do we really need the president as well?

I agree, the CEO statement is good enough.

[jeemak]

You’re correct, everything is a learning experience and this provides the opportunity to have conversations. I’m very lucky that I have great relationships with my kids and extended family and can talk about any topic with them. But unfortunately there are more families that can’t/don’t have these sorts of conversations. These are the ones I fear for the most.

Yeah that's fair enough. I've always had a troubled understanding of idolising footballers and using them as role models. It wasn't a thing in my family, however, we were always parochial about our beloved Doggies and their personalities (my mum would turn savage apparently if anyone dared talk down Teddy back in the day).

[Bulldog4life]

I agree, the CEO statement is good enough.

Yep just leave it to the CEO. Agree.

[GVGjr]

A very minor aspect in the challenges Bailey Smith is going through is the potential impacts to the contract talks he is having with us.
The HUN has speculated, via discussions with player managers, that he will be offered somewhere between 650K to 800K per season.

He's such an impact player for us and we need to stump up the money to keep him at the club.

The short term challenges are well known and the contract talks can always wait.

[GVGjr]

Channel 9 have reported that they believe the club first became aware of these pictures and video was about 3 days prior to it going public.
Smith is likely to complete an additional 2 weeks suspension for this indiscretion.

[Grantysghost]

A very minor aspect in the challenges Bailey Smith is going through is the potential impacts to the contract talks he is having with us.
The HUN has speculated, via discussions with player managers, that he will be offered somewhere between 650K to 800K per season.

He's such an impact player for us and we need to stump up the money to keep him at the club.

The short term challenges are well known and the contract talks can always wait.

Does it alter his worth?

Clubs are so careful not to recruit anyone who has problems I'm not sure if this will have the potential to lower his value.

[GVGjr]

Does it alter his worth?

Clubs are so careful not to recruit anyone who has problems I'm not sure if this will have the potential to lower his value.

Value wise there is probably minimal damage done but maybe some additional clauses could be added. It's a balancing act because if you under value him, and his form says you shouldn't do that, it opens the door for others.

If he was worth 750K per season a couple of weeks back he's still worth that now.

[Mofra]

Be so full circle if Morris was the one who leaked it.
Tin foil hat time - it was Sammy Power. Brutal list management.
"Yeah, I think you should accept that lower offer now Baz"

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU8O3U4UEAES1KQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[josie]

Agree with Hodge. He is an ok special comments man. Seems to be mostly thoughtful and fair minded.

[GVGjr]

For those with access to the HUN, Smith does and interview talking through his challenges

[SquirrelGrip]

For those with access to the HUN, Smith does and interview talking through his challenges

Bailey Smith’s first interview: ‘I went days without getting out of bed’
Bulldogs star Bailey Smith has given a tell-all interview to the Herald Sun after footage of his drug use and post-grand final partying emerged.
Grace Baldwin
EXCLUSIVE

Bailey Smith has revealed in his darkest times he couldn’t get out of bed, go to training or even talk to anyone.
In an incredible tell-all interview, the Western Bulldogs star has opened up about how he turned to partying to deal with his mental health battles, including “chronic anxiety”, exacerbated by last year’s devastating grand final loss.

However he said it was almost a relief now that a video and images of his drug taking had been leaked, and he was ready to take accountability and be transparent about getting help – something he urged other men to also do.

Smith described his parents and girlfriend Gemma Dawkins as the “best support”, also offering a special mention to Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge, who he revealed was the first from the club to text him saying “here to support you, we’ll get through this”.

“And I’ve got my psychologist, my doctor at the footy club, which is great for me. Obviously the Bulldogs have been great in supporting me,” he said.

After revealing the shattering aftermath of the grand final loss to the Demons was a trigger for his mental deterioration when the video surfaced on Saturday, the 21-year-old said distance from family and worrying about the next season led to a string of poor decision making.

“I just had to take that month off, and I didn’t know what my future looked like from there,” he said.

“I didn’t know if I’d ever get back to good form, or get back on the straight and narrow.”

The period he took in the Gold Coast, where he spent a month and the video was taken, was saturated with crippled mental health.

Smith admitted the thought of leaving AFL altogether does “cross your mind”.

However he said he never wanted to abandon the game because he “can’t live without it”.

“But there have certainly been really dark days,” he said.

“Even now, I haven’t brushed my teeth in two days just because of this stuff.

“It does hit me, and I do get waves of chronic anxiety and it’s difficult.

“I reckon I went days without eating, even brushing my teeth, leaving my bedroom, I couldn’t talk to people (after the grand final).

“I didn’t go on my phone or anything, but that’s just what it was.

“I didn’t do any training, anything like that – I couldn’t even get out of bed to go to training.

“I’m sure lots of people have experienced that, and it’s not an excuse to why I acted the way that I did, but it certainly does provide context as to why I made such a stupid decision like I did.”

Smith said he found it hard to resist the alluring party lifestyle in the whirlwind of 2021.

“It is a reality of what lots of people are like; the party life which I’ve tried to steer clear from a lot this year, and got sucked into last year,” he said.

“This is good for people to see the path they don’t want to go down.

“Lots of people growing up can fall into the wrong crowds and fall into doing stupid stuff.”

Smith said anyone – no matter how successful they were – was vulnerable to the seduction of the party scene.

“I want to inspire people if they’ve made the wrong decisions or are struggling.

“There’s always rock bottom, but you can always pick yourself back up from there.

“I own it, I don’t shy away from it … but it’s hard to own up to that when it’s such an embarrassing thing.

“It’s a period of my life where I feel ashamed.

“I’m extremely remorseful, embarrassed … it’s something I’ve got to live with.”

An advocate for mental health, Smith said his struggle with anxiety and depression was “not an excuse” for his behaviour, but he felt it “provided context” as to why he made a “stupid decision”.

“Have the courage to talk to your loved ones and even the people you don’t want to be vulnerable to, so you don’t spiral out of control as I have,” he said.

“Lots of people think ‘mental health’ is a cop out, or you’re just ‘playing the mental health card’.

“But I really dislike people when they say that because clearly, they haven’t faced it before.

“Mental health is a complex sort of beast and it affects people in every way – so you can’t judge.”

“It’s easy to just label someone as being weak or – even myself being an idiot party boy, or arrogant or whatever, who just thinks he can do anything. But you’d be surprised how much it really can take control of you and warp the decisions you make.

“Hopefully I can rebuild my image and work on myself and be a better human for the people around me.”

[MrMahatma]

Well… if the GF loss impacted one guy that much, it must’ve impacted a few more at least a bit.

[Grantysghost]

I don't know why but I don't feel comfortable with that interview.
Can't quite pin down why but feels off.

[Grantysghost]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU8O3U4UEAES1KQ?format=jpg&name=medium

He went the drink driving route didn't he.

But it says triple premiership captain not drink driver guy.

[jeemak]

I don't know why but I don't feel comfortable with that interview.
Can't quite pin down why but feels off.

Do you watch The Boys?

I'm annoyed at him ripping on the party scene. The party scene is awesome, providing it's not the only thing in your life and it's with nice people.

[Grantysghost]

Do you watch The Boys?

I'm annoyed at him ripping on the party scene. The party scene is awesome, providing it's not the only thing in your life and it's with nice people.

Greatest show ever.

[jeemak]

Greatest show ever.

Well you get the feeling this is all a bit stage managed and that the club may have been a few steps ahead in its planning given it knew about the photo a few days before it came out.

Scratch the veneer and it's all pretty cynical, much like with the Supes.

[Grantysghost]

Well you get the feeling this is all a bit stage managed and that the club may have been a few steps ahead in its planning given it knew about the photo a few days before it came out.

Scratch the veneer and it's all pretty cynical, much like with the Supes.

https://media.giphy.com/media/QBwRKyS6vXNfmLF7TR/giphy.gif

[comrade]

Bailey ‘Homelander’ Smith.

[Grantysghost]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/779279

Barrett is in love.

[Ghost Dog]

In Shanghai, I'm finding the best way out of a hole is to start helping others.

Bailey should get on the front foot, and get into a social work certificate at VU, share the lessons he has learned.

VU will really benefit from the PR, and Bailey can start to get an idea of what drugs really do in the community.

Was watching a doco on Australian prisons the other day. Ordinary housewives doing time for getting sucked into drugs.
Most of it because they lost their businesses during the pandemic and turned to drugs as a way to cope.
Lost houses, marriages, the lot.

The Italian drug mafia is neck deep into the Australian recreational drug scene. Note what is happening in Sydney.

[merantau]

It's added another hurdle for the Club to jump on the run home. Maybe he did the Hun interview to silence their guns as quick as possible. News Corp is an execrable organisation.

[ReLoad]

In Shanghai, I'm finding the best way out of a hole is to start helping others.

Bailey should get on the front foot, and get into a social work certificate at VU, share the lessons he has learned.

VU will really benefit from the PR, and Bailey can start to get an idea of what drugs really do in the community.

Was watching a doco on Australian prisons the other day. Ordinary housewives doing time for getting sucked into drugs.
Most of it because they lost their businesses during the pandemic and turned to drugs as a way to cope.
Lost houses, marriages, the lot.

The Italian drug mafia is neck deep into the Australian recreational drug scene. Note what is happening in Sydney.

whats the doco called?

[EasternWest]

whats the doco called?

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[Mofra]

Well… if the GF loss impacted one guy that much, it must’ve impacted a few more at least a bit.
Ryan Gardner for one - finding out you've been left out via media would be incredibly tough

[Bulldog4life]

I don't know why but I don't feel comfortable with that interview.
Can't quite pin down why but feels off.

I feel the opposite. Different folks different strokes.

[Grantysghost]

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Too soon.

[angelopetraglia]

On an unrelated note I do recall Bailey spending a fair chunk of time post-grand final on the Gold Coast with Billy Gowers.

Billy Gowers. An another Xavier alumni.

[soupman]

I don't know why but I don't feel comfortable with that interview.
Can't quite pin down why but feels off.

I also think its uncomfortable.

The statement the club and Bailey put out in the immediate aftermath was sufficient and did a pretty good job of sucking the oxygen from the story.

This feels very "let's turn this loss into a win", and I think its going to go down badly with most of the football public.

A front page story detailing your demons and how you have overcome adversity released literally 24 hours after the story even breaks is very PR, and its very hard for people to get on board with a comeback when there hasn't even really been anything to visibly comeback from.

I mean hes the most privileged looking kid going round, and has done everything he can to embrace the spotlight. The only sanction he looks like facing from this is maybe an extra 2 weeks suspended. Still gets to keep his sponsorships, his celebrity, his job, his big contract. He's a pretty hard person to feel sympathetic for, even believing his mental struggles. To have to read the front page article about his issues and how don't worry he's already beaten them and then the impending commentator lovefest for him would not be exciting many people I think.

[Mofra]

On an unrelated note I do recall Bailey spending a fair chunk of time post-grand final on the Gold Coast with Billy Gowers.
Hence the Collingwood fan having a friendly 'chat' with Bailey about his break, and Bailey's reaction

[GVGjr]

I know this is a difficult conversation to have on TV when coaches are being asked about the illicit drugs policy but I shrug my shoulders a bit when I hear responses about players receiving more education.
The players receive a lot more education on the pitfalls of drugs than the vast majority of society. They also know it could cost their job and that it can represent a serious challenge to their health but I get the feeling that it isn't a genuine deterrent for them.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I don't think it's a lack of education as the coaches and AFL seem to think.
Coaches are never going to say it should be an automatic 6 to 8 week holiday for the first strike.

[jeemak]

Throwing the book at people has never been a deterrent in society, so I hardly think it will ever be a deterrent in the AFL.

The conservative approach the likes of Kennett want to adopt will just result in players (and let's face it, clubs) go to even more extraordinary lengths to avoid detection than they already probably do.

The less we hear from his ilk, and the more we hear from health professionals the better. Our society is so anti-expert these days, it drives me mad.

[MrMahatma]

Thing is, society at large hasn’t figured out how to play this. Many, many people take that stuff relatively regularly with no issue. Many take it and it ruins their life. Big punishment for dealing/trafficking, small (none?) for using.

[merantau]

I wish he had just released the apology and then went to ground. Does he think News Corp has his back? If so, super naive.

[Grantysghost]

Throwing the book at people has never been a deterrent in society, so I hardly think it will ever be a deterrent in the AFL.

The conservative approach the likes of Kennett want to adopt will just result in players (and let's face it, clubs) go to even more extraordinary lengths to avoid detection than they already probably do.

The less we hear from his ilk, and the more we hear from health professionals the better. Our society is so anti-expert these days, it drives me mad.

Interestingly Kennett was one person who visited Lake in rehab.
I don't mind Kennett having a say. He's done a lot of work in this area.
Agree re punishment. Check out the Norwegian system. 21 years is max term, the prisons are more like rehab clinics.

They actually want to help people be better.

[Ghost Dog]

Thing is, society at large hasn’t figured out how to play this. Many, many people take that stuff relatively regularly with no issue. Many take it and it ruins their life. Big punishment for dealing/trafficking, small (none?) for using.

Depends where you live. Welcome to China.

I've seen a lot of videos of Bailey doing some great work in clinics at primary schools.
Such a pity a lot of that will be undone, reputation wise.

Is the AFL system just encouraging players with the idea that it's ok as long as you don't get caught?

[Ghost Dog]

Throwing the book at people has never been a deterrent in society, so I hardly think it will ever be a deterrent in the AFL.

The conservative approach the likes of Kennett want to adopt will just result in players (and let's face it, clubs) go to even more extraordinary lengths to avoid detection than they already probably do.

The less we hear from his ilk, and the more we hear from health professionals the better. Our society is so anti-expert these days, it drives me mad.

Agree and Disagree with that. It depends on the country.
Singapore and China, examples of what worked for them. But would never work in Australia and I wouldn't want their penal system. A human life is not the same here and their drugs problem gets morphed into a human rights problem.
Western countries imported copious amounts of drugs to these societies and that's what they needed to get things on track.
Penalties are definitely a deterrent in China.

[Jeanette54]

Part of the problem, which hasn't really been addressed is, why is the current generation (not just footballers) so damn mentally fragile? So much so that they can't take any form of stress, criticism or set back.

The two generations before me had every reason to suffer from mental fragility, and some did. Two world wars and a massive depression saw that almost everybody was touched by really difficult circumstances. And yet they, in the main, coped. Alcohol was the drug of choice for some, and no doubt it ruined lives. However, those generations did not exhibit the general levels of angst and self-absorption that we see in society today.

Personally, I believe that we need a hard assessment of why. And what has suddenly become so different, that our current millennial generation has so little resilience to the slings and arrows which are a part of normal life. Once we can establish the reasons and change society, we can go some way to addressing the causes of mental health issues. Until then we are only treating the victims (such a modern word) symptoms of societies maladies.

[Grantysghost]

Part of the problem, which hasn't really been addressed is, why is the current generation (not just footballers) so damn mentally fragile? So much so that they can't take any form of stress, criticism or set back.

The two generations before me had every reason to suffer from mental fragility, and some did. Two world wars and a massive depression saw that almost everybody was touched by really difficult circumstances. And yet they, in the main, coped. Alcohol was the drug of choice for some, and no doubt it ruined lives. However, those generations did not exhibit the general levels of angst and self-absorption that we see in society today.

Personally, I believe that we need a hard assessment of why. And what has suddenly become so different, that our current millennial generation has so little resilience to the slings and arrows which are a part of normal life. Once we can establish the reasons and change society, we can go some way to addressing the causes of mental health issues. Until then we are only treating the victims (such a modern word) symptoms of societies maladies.

The internet.

[bornadog]

Part of the problem, which hasn't really been addressed is, why is the current generation (not just footballers) so damn mentally fragile? So much so that they can't take any form of stress, criticism or set back.

The two generations before me had every reason to suffer from mental fragility, and some did. Two world wars and a massive depression saw that almost everybody was touched by really difficult circumstances. And yet they, in the main, coped. Alcohol was the drug of choice for some, and no doubt it ruined lives. However, those generations did not exhibit the general levels of angst and self-absorption that we see in society today.

Personally, I believe that we need a hard assessment of why. And what has suddenly become so different, that our current millennial generation has so little resilience to the slings and arrows which are a part of normal life. Once we can establish the reasons and change society, we can go some way to addressing the causes of mental health issues. Until then we are only treating the victims (such a modern word) symptoms of societies maladies.

Here are some reasons according to a study (https://www.anxietycentre.com/faq/why-is-mental-illness-on-the-rise/)



Increased parental pressures
Increased adoption of electronic media (Electronic Screen Syndrome)
Increased performance pressures (education, career, financial, etc.)
Increased terrorist events and threats
Increase in divisive news
Dramatic increase in violent TV programs, movies, and video games
Dramatic increase in graphic children’s media
Increase in sexually explicit material (TV programs, movies, video games, easy access online, etc.)
Social media pressure
Reduced face-to-face interactions and social supports
The breakdown of the family unit
Sexual orientation confusion
Gender confusion
Being exposed to a multitude of opinions (on TV and online)
Being exposed to aggressive behavior (a dramatic rise in child abuse, adult abuse, sexual abuse, etc.)
Poor/reduced sleep
Increased financial pressure on parents
Reduced parental contact - children are prematurely separating from parents and families, and bonding to peers
Easy access to, and the acceptance of, recreational drugs (of all types)
Overly protected/indulged children
Reduced expectations for young adults
The ‘I’ generation (where everyone believes they are entitled to whatever they want, from opinions to lifestyle choices, and whenever and however they want it)

[GVGjr]

Part of the problem, which hasn't really been addressed is, why is the current generation (not just footballers) so damn mentally fragile? So much so that they can't take any form of stress, criticism or set back.

The two generations before me had every reason to suffer from mental fragility, and some did. Two world wars and a massive depression saw that almost everybody was touched by really difficult circumstances. And yet they, in the main, coped. Alcohol was the drug of choice for some, and no doubt it ruined lives. However, those generations did not exhibit the general levels of angst and self-absorption that we see in society today.

Personally, I believe that we need a hard assessment of why. And what has suddenly become so different, that our current millennial generation has so little resilience to the slings and arrows which are a part of normal life. Once we can establish the reasons and change society, we can go some way to addressing the causes of mental health issues. Until then we are only treating the victims (such a modern word) symptoms of societies maladies.

I get why there has been a sharp increase with MH numbers especially there is more temptation in society but the part I struggle understanding is why it's somewhat accepted that people, and especially athletes, turn to illicit drug use to cope with these challenges.
Many articles online reference Beyond Blue etc if people are struggling with MH, there is plenty of education, public awareness and many companies even have employee assistance programs in place.
For a footballer there is a fair bit of support in place, plenty of education on the risks of gambling, alcohol and drugs, player managers they can turn to and access to medical professionals so with all that in place I don't get the illicit drug taking and why it's somewhat accepted.

[hujsh]

Part of the problem, which hasn't really been addressed is, why is the current generation (not just footballers) so damn mentally fragile? So much so that they can't take any form of stress, criticism or set back.

The two generations before me had every reason to suffer from mental fragility, and some did. Two world wars and a massive depression saw that almost everybody was touched by really difficult circumstances. And yet they, in the main, coped. Alcohol was the drug of choice for some, and no doubt it ruined lives. However, those generations did not exhibit the general levels of angst and self-absorption that we see in society today.

Personally, I believe that we need a hard assessment of why. And what has suddenly become so different, that our current millennial generation has so little resilience to the slings and arrows which are a part of normal life. Once we can establish the reasons and change society, we can go some way to addressing the causes of mental health issues. Until then we are only treating the victims (such a modern word) symptoms of societies maladies.

Are people more fragile or is it that people talk about their mental health and it's a subject better understood in the wider community and in academia?

PS Bailey is not a Millennial. Youngest Millennials are nearly 30 now. Oldest ones are 40ish. Zoomers are the ones who must be hated for their youth now.

[hujsh]

I get why there has been a sharp increase with MH numbers especially there is more temptation in society but the part I struggle understanding is why it's somewhat accepted that people, and especially athletes, turn to illicit drug use to cope with these challenges.
Many articles online reference Beyond Blue etc if people are struggling with MH, there is plenty of education, public awareness and many companies even have employee assistance programs in place.
For a footballer there is a fair bit of support in place, plenty of education on the risks of gambling, alcohol and drugs, player managers they can turn to and access to medical professionals so with all that in place I don't get the illicit drug taking and why it's somewhat accepted.

Maybe because drugs make you feel good and counseling etc doesn't (at least not in the short term necessarily). People have been taking drugs about as long as there have been people so it's easier said than done to just stop it from happening (especially younger people)

[bornadog]

Maybe because drugs make you feel good and counseling etc doesn't (at least not in the short term necessarily). People have been taking drugs about as long as there have been people so it's easier said than done to just stop it from happening (especially younger people)

With the older generation, people didn't talk about mental health issues, especially men, so nothing was done about it. People now are more open and don't see it as a stigma and are not afraid to seek help.

Back when I was growing up, people thought anyone with a mental illness were just weirdos, or nut cases. Things are much better now and support is also better.

[Grantysghost]

I read Japan is punishing cyber bullying with a year in the clink.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/asia/japan-cyberbullying-law-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

[Grantysghost]

With the older generation, people didn't talk about mental health issues, especially men, so nothing was done about it. People now are more open and don't see it as a stigma and are not afraid to seek help.

Back when I was growing up, people thought anyone with a mental illness were just weirdos, or nut cases. Things are much better now and support is also better.

It's so true. My late father suffered silently through a mountain of trauma and when he relinquished control of his mind it was uncontrollably released over his final years.

He was one of the first on the scene at the West Gate Bridge accident and never spoke of the things he saw and did; including pulling significantly injured people from the mud.

Talk folks if you've got an issue. It's so important.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I don't think there is any supporting evidence that may suggest this has anything to do with the new generation being more 'mentally fragile' or having 'little resistance to the slings and arrows that are a part of normal life' than previous generations.

I suspect it's more that previous generations suffered in silence, or that when they went off the rails there was no connection made to earlier trauma. We know even today there is a social stigma attached to mental health issues, which in my mind makes those willing to step up and acknowledge their issues remarkably brave.

Even reading accounts of veterans from conflicts as far back as WW1 and WW2, we know they suffered, and mainly suffered their trauma's in silence or drowned them out in alcohol, drugs violence and suicide.

Even so called normal life, people are in the modern day, retrospectively acknowledging that they suffered their condition in silence.
I recall an episode of 'Open Mike' with Ken Hunter where he detailed the horrifying anxiety and depression he suffered from, and how he largely kept it to himself out of fear of the response from his teammates, coaches and family. He also threw out there something about how many others there were like him: players who suddenly seemed to lose their ability and form, and just drifted out of the game, with people wondering 'gee what happened to so and so, he could've been anything...'

Nothing I've observed in the younger generation makes me believe that they're any less resilient, or fragile, or unable to cope with the rigors of normal life than the generations preceding them. I think they're to be commended for breaking the stupid taboos that have constrained previous generations from being able to open up and be honest about this debilitating medical issue.

As for the use of illicit substances. Yes they're very well educated about the impacts, dangers and professional consequences of taking them, but if you're not well mentally, I think its safe to say you're not going to be making the same rational decisions on things as someone who is mentally on top of their game.

[bornadog]

I don't think there is any supporting evidence that may suggest this has anything to do with the new generation being more 'mentally fragile' or having 'little resistance to the slings and arrows that are a part of normal life' than previous generations.

I suspect it's more that previous generations suffered in silence, or that when they went off the rails there was no connection made to earlier trauma. We know even today there is a social stigma attached to mental health issues, which in my mind makes those willing to step up and acknowledge their issues remarkably brave.

Even reading accounts of veterans from conflicts as far back as WW1 and WW2, we know they suffered, and mainly suffered their trauma's in silence or drowned them out in alcohol, drugs violence and suicide.

Even so called normal life, people are in the modern day, retrospectively acknowledging that they suffered their condition in silence.
I recall an episode of 'Open Mike' with Ken Hunter where he detailed the horrifying anxiety and depression he suffered from, and how he largely kept it to himself out of fear of the response from his teammates, coaches and family. He also threw out there something about how many others there were like him: players who suddenly seemed to lose their ability and form, and just drifted out of the game, with people wondering 'gee what happened to so and so, he could've been anything...'

Nothing I've observed in the younger generation makes me believe that they're any less resilient, or fragile, or unable to cope with the rigors of normal life than the generations preceding them. I think they're to be commended for breaking the stupid taboos that have constrained previous generations from being able to open up and be honest about this debilitating medical issue.

As for the use of illicit substances. Yes they're very well educated about the impacts, dangers and professional consequences of taking them, but if you're not well mentally, I think its safe to say you're not going to be making the same rational decisions on things as someone who is mentally on top of their game.

Did you read post #915? I have a link to a study

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Did you read post #915? I have a link to a study

Yes I did, and my question is, and wasn't addressed in the linked article: How do we know they're suffering more than previous generations? Its all good and well to say these are the list of things that are impacting mental illness today, but as for benchmarking against prior generations levels, there's nothing in there to make the claim. How are they capable of saying mental illness has risen? We do know that reporting of mental illness in earlier time wasn't as rigorous, and that many people didn't feel comfortable, or in many cases weren't aware they were suffering from a mental illness.

I think we could equally draw up a compelling list of environmental factors unique to prior generations that today's generations don't have to consider.
Maybe its worse today, maybe its not, the article certainly doesn't provide any data to support the claim.

[soupman]

My take is that any major perceived difference in the different generations mental health issues stems from us now being better at recognising it and encouraging people to address it. So basically YHFs take.

[bornadog]

Yes I did, and my question is, and wasn't addressed in the linked article: How do we know they're suffering more than previous generations? Its all good and well to say these are the list of things that are impacting mental illness today, but as for benchmarking against prior generations levels, there's nothing in there to make the claim. How are they capable of saying mental illness has risen? We do know that reporting of mental illness in earlier time wasn't as rigorous, and that many people didn't feel comfortable, or in many cases weren't aware they were suffering from a mental illness.

I think we could equally draw up a compelling list of environmental factors unique to prior generations that today's generations don't have to consider.
Maybe its worse today, maybe its not, the article certainly doesn't provide any data to support the claim.

It's a tricky one, and as you say difficult to answer.

Certainly things like World wars have effected thousands of soldiers returning to Australia after seeing horrific things, which we don't have today (not to that extent anyway) - just one of the difference in the past

Great to have the much better support mechanism that wasn't available before.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

The Club has a number of outstanding Officials to assist players like Bailey Smith and Lachie Hunter overcome their current difficulties.
Our President, Kylie Watson-Wheeler is the Senior Vice President and MD of the Walt Disney Company, Australia and NZ.
CEO, Ameet Bains, is highly regarded and in his former role as Head of Recruitment at St. Kilda, would be fully aware of the pressures placed on League Players today with the huge scrutiny into their private lives given the amount of dubious press today.
Together with Luke Beveridge, Luke Darcy as Football Director and Chris Grant as Manager of Football Operations, all have sound football credentials in dealing with all areas of welfare in ensuring the best possible care is provided.
With Club is in very good shape with a record all time high of 48,000 members with stage 2 of the VU Whitten Oval Redevelopment under way. Our number 1 ticket holder, Alan Johnstone, a successful business Leader over many years ,which has seen him donate a new car each year, in the Bulldogs major Fundraising raffle. The long standing Major Donor, Mission Foods together with other key sponsors has given the Western Bulldogs integrity and credibility.
The sponsorship of Victoria University has seen a number of our players engage in Higher Education studies in their preparation for life after League Football. These Good News stories sadly are rarely published.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Article by Matt Stokes (sic) about Bailey and when Stokes was exposed for cocaine use.
Let me know if firewalled:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/mathew-stokes-my-road-back-after-cocaine-arrest-20220616-p5au3p.html

[Scraggers]

It’s officially two weeks for bringing the game into disrepute.

[GVGjr]

It’s officially two weeks for bringing the game into disrepute.

So it's a 4 week break for Smith. I think he got his correct whack.

[bornadog]

I wonder which prick released the pictures and video?

2 weeks is fair enough as it is similar to penalties already handed out to a couple of other plyers.

[GVGjr]

I wonder which prick released the pictures and video?

2 weeks is fair enough as it is similar to penalties already handed out to a couple of other plyers.

It's a low act no doubt but in the long run it's better to be cleared up now.

[Bulldog4life]

I wonder which prick released the pictures and video?

2 weeks is fair enough as it is similar to penalties already handed out to a couple of other plyers.

I've been thinking that too. Without being even competent on social media....only on twitter.... is it possible to find out where posts start?

[Scraggers]

I wonder which prick released the pictures and video?

2 weeks is fair enough as it is similar to penalties already handed out to a couple of other plyers.

The social media mafia are going into a frenzy ... Rioli got a year, Cousins got a year, Warnie got a year for a diuretic, two weeks is a joke, 12 weeks for betting on a game but four weeks for headbutting and doing drugs. Needless to say, there's a lot of unhappy campers out there

[Bulldog4life]

The social media mafia are going into a frenzy ... Rioli got a year, Cousins got a year, Warnie got a year for a diuretic, two weeks is a joke, 12 weeks for betting on a game but four weeks for headbutting and doing drugs. Needless to say, there's a lot of unhappy campers out there

On the other hand there are also a lot of players out there who have had a strike against them but the public don't know their names and they haven't been suspended. They are the true lucky ones.

[bornadog]

The social media mafia are going into a frenzy ... Rioli got a year, Cousins got a year, Warnie got a year for a diuretic, two weeks is a joke, 12 weeks for betting on a game but four weeks for headbutting and doing drugs. Needless to say, there's a lot of unhappy campers out there

Yes, I saw that.

All of these instances are completely different. Smith got the same penalty as Crouch and Mumford

[GVGjr]

The social media mafia are going into a frenzy ... Rioli got a year, Cousins got a year, Warnie got a year for a diuretic, two weeks is a joke, 12 weeks for betting on a game but four weeks for headbutting and doing drugs. Needless to say, there's a lot of unhappy campers out there

Plus some in the industry have received severe penalties for racially insensitive comments.
It's consistent with some others but he's done well.

[WBFC4FFC]

On the other hand there are also a lot of players out there who have had a strike against them but the public don't know their names and they haven't been suspended. They are the true lucky ones.

Smith (for want of a better term) fixed himself up after the incident late last year, knowing what he had done. Don't know of others who had done anything about such indiscretions until being caught/outed.

Therefore what is a 2-week suspension going to serve, aside from Gil's focus on "optics" all of the time?!?! (Lest he be the last to call the kettle black).

Hence Bevo's comments the other day I guess.

[Mantis]

The social media mafia are going into a frenzy ... Rioli got a year, Cousins got a year, Warnie got a year for a diuretic, two weeks is a joke, 12 weeks for betting on a game but four weeks for headbutting and doing drugs. Needless to say, there's a lot of unhappy campers out there

Rioli tampered with a sample for an official drug test... very different to getting on the gear during the off-season.

Given how rife drug use is in the community, especially for people in this age demographic and how phones are out for everything it makes you wonder how many players will be nervous in the lead up to a GF that their ''mates'' don't release similar material given the potential implications?

[bornadog]

The worse thing is I had him for the Brownlow - heading butting and this :(

[G-Mo77]

I wonder which prick released the pictures and video?

They didn’t put the bag in his hand. Bailey needs to learn and make better choices. It's on him not the person who leaked it.

[bornadog]

They didn’t put the bag in his hand. Bailey needs to learn and make better choices. It's on him not the person who leaked it.

Of course, but still a dog act

On the other hand maybe did him a favour exposing it

[G-Mo77]

Of course, but still a dog act

On the other hand maybe did him a favour exposing it

Yes, it could be a blessing in disguise, well should be really.

[Scraggers]

Yes, it could be a blessing in disguise, well should be really.

He did say a weight had been lifted once this was made public

[Scraggers]

Rioli tampered with a sample for an official drug test... very different to getting on the gear during the off-season.

Given how rife drug use is in the community, especially for people in this age demographic and how phones are out for everything it makes you wonder how many players will be nervous in the lead up to a GF that their ''mates'' don't release similar material given the potential implications?

You’re correct about Rioli … and his was just pot. Cousins was never actually caught or proven; his ban was for the possibility of him being a user.

The whole system is inconsistent. Some first strike players are not even outed.

[Axe Man]

Some first strike players are not even outed.

I think you mean the vast majority. Nor should they be.

[hujsh]

You’re correct about Rioli … and his was just pot. Cousins was never actually caught or proven; his ban was for the possibility of him being a user.

The whole system is inconsistent. Some first strike players are not even outed.

Also worth noting the Warne thing was because it was a potential masking agent for PEDs

[Ghost Dog]

2007–2008: Drug possession arrest, delisted by West Coast Eagles and 12-month AFL ban

On 16 October 2007, Cousins' car was stopped in Northbridge and searched. He was arrested for drug possession and refusing to submit to a blood test.

I thought all and sundry knew about his drug usage. Not the case?

[KT31]

Seconded.

Do you deliver to Uluru?

If Chef bakes and bags, I'm happy to escape the cold and deliver.

[EasternWest]

If Chef bakes and bags, I'm happy to escape the cold and deliver.

25 and sunny today in Alice Springs. Come on up (don't forget the macaroons).

[Scraggers]

Western Bulldogs star Bailey Smith cuts iconic blonde mullet for product launch

Link (https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-star-bailey-smith-cuts-iconic-blonde-mullet-for-product-launch--c-8226130)

:eek:

[hujsh]

Western Bulldogs star Bailey Smith cuts iconic blonde mullet for product launch

Link (https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-star-bailey-smith-cuts-iconic-blonde-mullet-for-product-launch--c-8226130)

:eek:
What a nice looking young man

https://images.perthnow.com.au/publication/C-8226130/f701d29fd5eb935c896bbcc2abfcdb4c3e1c816a.jpg?imwidth=828&impolicy=pn_v3

[bornadog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ_CzxtVZxM

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FckMUPrWIAIfAi3?format=jpg&name=small

[EasternWest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FckMUPrWIAIfAi3?format=jpg&name=small

Alright that's great and all but if you could now spend a summer not in the spotlight and practicing how to hit a target that'd be awesome

Ps I love you

[Axe Man]

Alright that's great and all but if you could now spend a summer not in the spotlight and practicing how to hit a target that'd be awesome

Ps I love you

Whatever he does the most important thing is that nobody is filming it.

[EasternWest]

Whatever he does the most important thing is that nobody is filming it.

Unless it's him saying "I love you EasternWest". Then he can be filmed.

[Grantysghost]

New Baz ink.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRyWHkWh/Screenshot-20220929-123833-Instagram.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TLf224jk)

[MrMahatma]

Um... wow.

[Grantysghost]

Um... wow.

Seems like messing with a perfect sculpture or something to me.
Graffiti!

[hujsh]

I think all tats are pretty meh and so many people get them they're more boring to have than not.

Except Libba. He's the only one with unique tats

[EasternWest]

New Baz ink.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRyWHkWh/Screenshot-20220929-123833-Instagram.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TLf224jk)

Heavy Stringer vibes incoming.

[Happy Days]

Kinda hard TBH. And smart not to get any that would show up in pics where he’s facing the camera.

[chef]

Jeepers they are some shit tatts.

Why put bumper stickers on a Ferrari.

[Axe Man]

New Baz ink.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRyWHkWh/Screenshot-20220929-123833-Instagram.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TLf224jk)

Picasso or Escobar?

[chef]

Picasso or Escobar?

I think it means I feel like a god.

[Axe Man]

I think it means I feel like a god.

Yeah I just looked it up, from a Kanye West song which is disappointing, but at least it wasn't Nickleback.

[Grantysghost]

Jeepers they are some shit tatts.

Why put bumper stickers on a Ferrari.

Reminds me of the ones you got as a kid with bubble gum.

[bornadog]

I always wonder why people get a tat on a spot on their body that they can't see themselves?

[Mofra]

I always wonder why people get a tat on a spot on their body that they can't see themselves?
BAD, let me introduce you to Tramp Stamps...

[Hotdog60]

Not my thing, each to their own I guess.

[Twodogs]

Picasso or Escobar?

When I was a much younger man the girl who was the great passion of my life and I promised one another that if we ever had kids we'd call the first one Stupid Legs Pablo. The great advantage being it would have suited a boy or a girl.

Luckily for my actual kids I wasn't ready for fatherhood at the time and ended up having kids with someone else

[jeemak]

When I was a much younger man the girl who was the great passion of my life and I promised one another that if we ever had kids we'd call the first one Stupid Legs Pablo. The great advantage being it would have suited a boy or a girl.

Luckily for my actual kids I wasn't ready for fatherhood at the time and ended up having kids with someone else

You really mellowed in the time between Stupid Legs Pablo and Liberatore as a middle name for your daughter.

[Twodogs]

You really mellowed in the time between Stupid Legs Pablo and Liberatore as a middle name for your daughter.

Don't forget the 6 foot invisible rabbit my son is named after


https://youtu.be/VvfXvW2wsuQ

[F'scary]

I have a friend who had some terrible scars on his back and he got tattoos to cover them up. Very effective and now he looks like Mr Cool down at the beach.

[EasternWest]

I have a friend who had some terrible scars on his back and he got tattoos to cover them up. Very effective and now he looks like Mr Cool down at the beach.

But does he look like Mr Cool Ice?

[F'scary]

But does he look like Mr Cool Ice?

I'll google this dude and get back to you.

[F'scary]

But does he look like Mr Cool Ice?

:D:D:D:eek: Mishtah Cool Ice!!!!. No, my friend's are more abstract, like a painting.

[Grantysghost]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmX3lhjNHo6/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Can we trade him now?

[hujsh]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmX3lhjNHo6/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Can we trade him now?

Get out Newjeemak

[Grantysghost]

Get out Newjeemak
Liviiiiing in a newewew jeemak CITTTAAAAYYYY...

https://movie-sounds.org/ghetto-movie-sound-clips/quotes-with-sound-clips-from-new-jack-city/living-just-enough-living-in-the-new-jack-city

[Mofra]

Two guys who definitely don't eat Maccas are the face of Maccas.
What a time to be alive

[lemmon]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmX3lhjNHo6/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Can we trade him now?

You'd have to be paid an absolute packet to make that pile of cringe

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Oh dear God no

[Grantysghost]

Two guys who definitely don't eat Maccas are the face of Maccas.
What a time to be alive

Want an 8 pack like Bailey? Grab our limited edition BAZLENKA nuggets with real feathers and coconut oil dipping sauce for a limited time only.

[F'scary]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmX3lhjNHo6/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Can we trade him now?

But Travis Bloke likes it.

[weltschmerz]

Smith and Petracca are known for doing all their own cooking and being strict about their diets. Afaik Petracca even does healthy cooking videos. Weird choice.

[MrMahatma]

Smith and Petracca are known for doing all their own cooking and being strict about their diets. Afaik Petracca even does healthy cooking videos. Weird choice.

The weird choice is theirs, not McD’s

[weltschmerz]

Baz is in a position to set himself up financially for the rest of his life over the next 5-10 years. It's a bit cringey but he's taking his opportunities for a huge pay day.

[jeemak]

People actually like this stuff which is why it's done. Think about that.

Baz can stay for now, however.

[1eyedog]

This is Bulldogs 95 retro jumper good

[Grantysghost]

People actually like this stuff which is why it's done. Think about that.

Baz can stay for now, however.

These guys are pretty smart, maximising their income while they're able.

Serious cringe though. As least Bailey has Neighbours level acting ability (can see a cameo in his future), Trac, (for MJP) I've seen watered concrete with more personality.

[Grantysghost]

Baz is in a position to set himself up financially for the rest of his life over the next 5-10 years. It's a bit cringey but he's taking his opportunities for a huge pay day.

Spot on!

[Mofra]

Baz is in a position to set himself up financially for the rest of his life over the next 5-10 years. It's a bit cringey but he's taking his opportunities for a huge pay day.
Dunks is jealous because if he had a personality, it could have been him!

[bornadog]

Baz is in a position to set himself up financially for the rest of his life over the next 5-10 years. It's a bit cringey but he's taking his opportunities for a huge pay day.

Go for it I say

[ReLoad]

Petracca sure does know how to stay with top end brands, Maccas and Cash converters!

In saying that, im for sale, will sell for a half eaten cheese sandwich.

[Axe Man]

Petracca sure does know how to stay with top end brands, Maccas and Cash converters!

In saying that, im for sale, will sell for a half eaten cheese sandwich.

I phoned my manager and told him I was available for anything!

He said "I'm not your manager" and to "stop calling".

[The Underdog]

People actually like this stuff which is why it's done. Think about that.

Baz can stay for now, however.

The only upside is that knowing footy clubs, there’ll be a minimum of 5 people using this to take the piss at training.

[azabob]

The only upside is that knowing footy clubs, there’ll be a minimum of 5 people using this to take the piss at training.

Could you imagine if Biggs, Redpath, Dahl, Stringer (with Libba) were all still at the club how much Smith would be copping?

[1eyedog]

My kids love the ad