Blue Chip Investment - Tom Boyd

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Just thought I would start the discussion around Tom Boyd?

Will we ever see the very best of a guy that had so much potential that he went No1 in the AFL draft in 2013?

My discussion is around why do we not have players on performance contracts more often, based on games played or output on the field. I know that I don't see Tom other than on the field but is he really earning his pay packet at this point of time? Is he someone like the Bont that we can just wheel out in front of the media and he performs and puts his best foot forward for the Club?

I think two years ago a person at the club put out "that maybe Tom should hand back some of his cash" I think this was largely due to the intense Media cloud that follows anyone on that kind of money, but has Tom really been value for money? Should he come out and say I'm handing back xxxx as I haven't deserved that type of reward?

No doubt we all came along for the ride in the Grand final of 2016 and truely believed that he was going to pay us back in spades, but where are we now? At 23 he still has so much football and life in front of him. With him out of contract in 2021 will the media frenzy heat up and what would be an acceptable contract for our Tom if we were to sign him up now?

[bornadog]

I think two years ago a person at the club put out "that maybe Tom should hand back some of his cash"?

That was a stupid suggestion by Luke Darcy and someone else on the crap radio station they work for.

[MrMahatma]

That was a stupid suggestion by Luke Darcy and someone else on the crap radio station they work for.

I wanna say Matthew Lloyd?

[comrade]

Honestly believe we’ll never see Boyd truly at his best and he wont play beyond his contract.

But he will be an absolute Bulldogs legend forever for that one game and that goal in 2016.

[ReLoad]

Tom is such an enigma.

I was thinking the same question about a month ago, although more around "if we will ever see him play again"

To me the question of "if/was he worth it" is such a non point, his performances in '16 as well as his signing was the great white hope that ended the turmoil period both returned a divided worth more than his contract.

However the other question, will he ever live up to what he is capable of? The jury is still out on that, his battle with the darkness as well as his body failing him at the moment make for a real cloud as to if he can.

I don't think Tom is the type of guy that reads much written about him, but if he did happen to read this, id simply say;

Tom, you're 23 years old, you have a whole life ahead of you, you need to do whats best and right for you, and once you are in a position of strength, then you can help others, whether that be in a football sense, in a wellbeing sense, or a mentor sense.

You've got an opportunity thanks to football to set yourself up for life, I hope you can grasp that opportunity with both hands, like you did on that day in '16 and you make the most of it. Tom, we are all immensely proud of you and how you carry yourself and the expectations of your draft pick and contract, I know if my kids could take on some of your traits id be one super proud dad.

Keep it up Tom, we believe in you.

[chef]

Honestly believe we’ll never see Boyd truly at his best and he wont play beyond his contract.

But he will be an absolute Bulldogs legend forever for that one game and that goal in 2016.

Dont forget the prelim where he nullified the mummy.

[Dancin' Douggy]

For mine.
We just let his back get better. Even if it takes a whole year (or more)

Tim English plays as our No1 ruckman.

Tom plays as a permanent forward when he comes back.

Then we can at least find out what he's capable of delivering.

He's only 23. We've never actually seen him play his 'correct' position for any length of time.

I don't really think we need to think too much beyond that.

****Other than the fact he needs a dedicated marking coach.

[Rocket Science]

Tom's predicament's beginning to remind me a bit of of Justin Koschitzke, in more ways than one.

I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Then again, the latter retired a 200-gamer. If we can get that out of Tom how could you be remotely ungrateful?

Just wish the big lump could get a clear and consistent run at it if for no other reason than to spare us all of dying wondering.

[The Pie Man]

I think of Tom Boyd's contract in really simplistic terms - think of how many millions we've spent on player contracts since 1954. Then realise that we don't win the 2016 flag without Tom and his 6 (?) million dollar contract.

Think he can still be a reasonable ruck/forward if he gets fit, though while Gordon may not have envisioned his prelim/GF contribution when signing him, he was worth it.

Oh, and Nathan Brown tipped into that contract discussion in 2016 - can you think of someone in a worse position to offer a take on that? This industry...

[SonofScray]

I'm not convinced he'll play again.

I'd do the deal again in the circumstances with which it emerged.

He earned his money in the PF/GF. Whether he becomes the gun we hoped, or not, any development and good footy from here is a bonus.

[AshMac]

I feel for Boyd. In some ways he reminds me of Jack Watts in having huge expectations at such a young age. In honesty, I think the trade was really irresponsible of Liam pickering who chased money - went on radio talking about how it paid for his pool - and didn’t necessarily represent the mental health of his client.

Not going to weigh in on his salary being paid back - it’s what was negotiated so it’s what he’s entitled to. Doubt many here would take a pay cut if they didn’t need to.

As for his footy - he still strikes me as the type of player who isn’t built for today’s game. Too slow, too big. Ideal scenario is he plays out his contract, re signs for peanuts and takes 3 nice marks a game and kicks 1-2 a game when the pressure is off. Again though - doubt he’d do that if offered more elsewhere

[Sedat]

I really feel for Tom. When you have an incredibly powerful footy voice like Leigh Matthews opening wishing failure on your career, it would be a massive millstone around anybody's neck. The pile-on as a result of that coward lighting the match on Tom's career has been one of the more unsavory aspects of footy media reporting in the last few years.

[Hotdog60]

Maybe with the new rules Tom would be better suited as the stay at home forward.
If he doesn't mark the long bomb does he get out marked if not it open up opportunities for the smaller forwards.
Playing only at FF he has more energy to jump at the ball, I remember him saying in an interview he was buggered when he went back to rest.

[SonofScray]

I really feel for Tom. When you have an incredibly powerful footy voice like Leigh Matthews opening wishing failure on your career, it would be a massive millstone around anybody's neck. The pile-on as a result of that coward lighting the match on Tom's career has been one of the more unsavory aspects of footy media reporting in the last few years.

Absolutely. That was a vile comment from Matthews and the subsequent commentary around giving money back is absolutely ludicrous. That neither have really been challenged in the media tells us plenty.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Maybe with the new rules Tom would be better suited as the stay at home forward.
If he doesn't mark the long bomb does he get out marked if not it open up opportunities for the smaller forwards.
Playing only at FF he has more energy to jump at the ball, I remember him saying in an interview he was buggered when he went back to rest.

He really doesn't have the typical body for endurance sport. To be constantly chasing the ball and be there for every ball up and boundary throw in.

The closest physical specimen to Tom in the league is probably Tom Hawkins who pretty much plays as a stay at home forward.

I would love to see Tom have an extended run in that role.

[Remi Moses]

I really feel for Tom. When you have an incredibly powerful footy voice like Leigh Matthews opening wishing failure on your career, it would be a massive millstone around anybody's neck. The pile-on as a result of that coward lighting the match on Tom's career has been one of the more unsavory aspects of footy media reporting in the last few years.

My sentiments as well . Even after his Finals series exploits they were silent

[MrMahatma]

He really doesn't have the typical body for endurance sport. To be constantly chasing the ball and be there for every ball up and boundary throw in.

The closest physical specimen to Tom in the league is probably Tom Hawkins who pretty much plays as a stay at home forward.

I would love to see Tom have an extended run in that role.

Mumford? Big blokes can still have big tanks.

[bulldogtragic]

Stevo on Twitter: Dogs confirm Tom Boyd handed $2 million back to club when agreement on retirement reached...


Wow. Maybe there’s even more big trade/s coming. Wow.

[bornadog]

Stevo on Twitter: Dogs confirm Tom Boyd handed $2 million back to club when agreement on retirement reached...


Wow. Maybe there’s even more big trade/s coming. Wow.

Didn't he say that in the MIke Sheahan interview.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Didn't he say that in the MIke Sheahan interview.

I don’t think the amount was mentioned, just that he forfeited any payment.

[bornadog]

I don’t think the amount was mentioned, just that he forfeited any payment.

Unless it was in another interview but he mentioned $1.9 million

[bornadog]

Tom awarded Life Membership

[bulldogtragic]

Walk away from/forfeit or literally hand back payments already made?

I knew he walked away from over $1.5m. Stevo stating he’s handed back another $2m. Or is Stevo a bit inelegant with his wording?

[jazzadogs]

Walk away from/forfeit or literally hand back payments already made?

I knew he walked away from over $1.5m. Stevo stating he’s handed back another $2m. Or is Stevo a bit inelegant with his wording?

Inelegant. Although I think that was Garlick's wording too, I think it was clear from context that Boyd forfeited the remaining 2 million despite his contract enabling him to take it if he wanted. He didn't give back money already earned.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

In his latest interview with Bob Murphy on the Freedom in a Cage podcast he considers himself set up for life financially. Well worth a listen it’s a comprehensive discussion

[Twodogs]

In his latest interview with Bob Murphy on the Freedom in a Cage podcast he considers himself set up for life financially. Well worth a listen it’s a comprehensive discussion


I owned a house, payed for by me, in West Footscray by the time I was 30. Paid off, mortgage free, 100% mine. It went in the divorce, sold for 250k 6 years after I payed 100k for it. Being the glutton for punishment that I am I keep up with the current value. The back yard got sold to put units in about 3 years ago for 785 k! And they kept the house already built on the front!

Then I got married. I hope Tom has taken into account the effect the inevitable divorce will have on being set up for life.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Well that took an unexpected turn