AFL Game Day Round 4, 2019 - Collingwood V Western Bulldogs at the MCG

[Eastdog]

Our final match at the MCG in 2019 for the home and away season hopefully to play there again if we make the finals.

Prediction for margin, our first goal and our best on ground. My early prediction but could change on tomorrow night’s team announcement who comes in etc.

Margin: Bulldogs by 1 point

FG: Billy Gowers

BOG: Toby McLean

Go Bulldogs!!

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I recon we will rise to the occasion this week and get over the pies

We will jump them with Wallis kicking the first
Bont bouncing back as BOG
And a final margin of 14 points

[bornadog]

Dogs by 8
First Goal Naughton
BOG The Bont

[chef]

Pies by 45
First goal Dickson
BOG Libba

[AndrewP6]

Pies by 52
First goal Gowers
BOG for us - CD.

[boydogs]

Pies by 24
First goal Gowers
BOG Macrae

[Bulldog4life]

Dogs by 28
First Goal Naughty
BOG Naughty

[bulldogtragic]

Dogs by 41
BOG Wood (shutting down DeGoey)
FG Bailey Smith

[Eastdog]

Need to have a good start to the game. Our starts this year haven’t been great. Get that early confidence.

[Mofra]

Bulldogs by 9
First Goal Govers
BOG Naughton

[Rocket Science]

Them by lots.
First Major : The Bont
BOG : McLean

I hope we push Toby onto the ball rather than squander him up forward, he was in everything the last time we played this mob.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Dogs by 11
BOG Libba
FG Schache

[Ghost Dog]

The Mighty Western Bulldogs by 15 points
BOG Action Jackson McCrae
FG 'Flying Knee ' Cordy

[Jam Donuts]

Doggies by 10
First Goal Hunter
BOG Hunter

[ratsmac]

Dogs by 3
First goal - Dickson
BOG - Macrae

[DOG GOD]

Pies by 63
Ist goal - Dunkley
Bog - libba

[Axe Man]

Dayne Beams out, replaced by Callum Brown.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Dogs by 2
First goal- Schache
Best- Bontempelli

[Doggy]

Collingwood by 30
BOG JJ
First goal Billy G

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Dogs by 1 point
BOG: Bont
First Goal: McLean

[westdog54]

A nice moment at the toss of the coin, both number 22s accompanying their captain to the middle.

[EasternWest]

Who could possibly boo Roughead?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Wallis. Unacceptable turnover

[MrMahatma]

Far out

[hujsh]

What a waste of an otherwise decent start

[bulldogtragic]

Horrible spectacle from both teams. Not to mention we left our skills at Whitten Oval. Hopefully we can get them delivered by quarter time.

[chef]

Dumb footy again

[westdog54]

Smith very busy early.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Frustrating thus far. We look the better team, but our turnovers are a factor.

[Rocket Science]

Just lacking that crucial bit of composure at the top of the arc.

[westdog54]

Handball club is in operation.

Hands in close are very sharp.

[bulldogtragic]

Red time goal?

[bulldogtragic]

Red time goal?

Phew.

[Rocket Science]

Disciplined, plenty of endeavour, a bit to like but need to find some seams going forward.

[westdog54]

This is going to be a battle of attrition. The match ups are very even.

[EasternWest]

Smith very busy early.

Can play a bit the boy.

[jeemak]

Why Hunter thought holding up the ball 60m out was a good idea is beyond me. The one time to move it quickly and either go long or lower the eyes was then but for whatever bloody reason he refused to do it.

Good quarter defencively, everyone did what they were supposed to do. Bont missing to the left again no doubt will have GVGjr annoyed!

[S Coast Simon]

Going to be an interesting game. I am quietly confident we can clean up a bit and get this one. It was only our mistakes that stopped us, not Collingwood.

[G-Mo77]

Just a hideous game of footy if were neutral I'd have probably switch off right now.

Can't score. I think we'll keep it close, but we just don't have the ability to score. No one seems willing to take the game on to open it up.

[DOG GOD]

Pies with a very open fwd 50 and us with a typical congested fwd line. How many bombs will we see tonight. De goey looks like he could kick 10.

Turnovers with stupid handballs like usual. Gonna be hard to find space in our fwd line if we don’t move it quickly.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Love the effort and concentration. Execution lacking.
We should be 2 goals up.
Really loving Wood's efforts. His tackle on Pendles was fantastic.
Caleb Daniel very industrious.

[S Coast Simon]

Fair call. Someone needs to tell the Bont to aim for right goal post.
Why Hunter thought holding up the ball 60m out was a good idea is beyond me. The one time to move it quickly and either go long or lower the eyes was then but for whatever bloody reason he refused to do it.

Good quarter defencively, everyone did what they were supposed to do. Bont missing to the left again no doubt will have GVGjr annoyed!

[EasternWest]

Fair call. Someone needs to tell the Bont to aim for right goal post.

I mean, if you're going to tell him to aim for a post you might as well tell him to aim for the middle :).

[Rocket Science]

Jeezus. Umpires having a putrid sixty seconds.

Here Pies, have a goal.

[jeemak]

Wallis is having a shit day.

[Mantis]

Wallis is having a shit day.

He isn’t very good at this football game.

[Rocket Science]

Must stay focused and hit back now. Can't let them pull away.

[bulldogtragic]

Naughton, why touch it....

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Jeez we seem to regularly find a way to sit on our balls.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Collingwood don't have to play well. Just wait for us to turn it over.

[bulldogtragic]

Duryea, I take back my Mea culpa.

[MrMahatma]

Naughton, why touch it....

Yeah, but that’s a horrible decision. That was a goal.

[hujsh]

Jeez we seem to regularly find a way to sit on our balls.

I read that as shit on our balls.

I feel both are apt.

[Mantis]

We just continuously make critical errors! Why?

[Rocket Science]

What's Dunkley's role at the moment? Completely uninvolved.

[bulldogtragic]

Yeah, but that’s a horrible decision. That was a goal.

A 50/50 call me thinks. Should've been a clear goal. Insane from Aaron.

[DOG GOD]

I’m just waiting for the cwood flood gates to open

[bulldogtragic]

Thank god this 4 game teenager is out there.

[jeemak]

How's the finish on Smith!!!

[westdog54]

Can play a bit the boy.

Yes he can. Great goal.

[hujsh]

Well done Smith.

Someone willing to take/make the shot

[Rocket Science]

WOT a goal. Onya Smith. Lovely glimpse.

[EasternWest]

Yes he can. Great goal.

Now if he'd just do something about those sideburns.

[westdog54]

Even Suckling's lacksadaisical chips are perfect.

[EasternWest]

Even Suckling's lacksadaisical chips are perfect.

He is kicking really well tonight.

[EasternWest]

We are absolutely dominating possession now. Must kick a few.

[jeemak]

I'm really sick of the pissing up the wall of opportunities.

[bulldogtragic]

Mark of the year?

[westdog54]

Oh my goodness gracious me.

Mark of the year thus far

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Wood just undid his earlier good work.

[Mantis]

Easton Wood.. you’re the weakest link.. Goodbye!

[EasternWest]

Hey we're getting hurt out the back after a turnover despite owning the last ten minutes. Who saw this happening? Grrrr.

[hujsh]

We are absolutely dominating possession now. Must kick a few.

Nah just more opportunity to turn it over

[jeemak]

Oh Easton, you were doing so well today before that.

What a grab from Crozier!

[bulldogtragic]

2.7 and on the full.

Going at 20%. The AFEL app just pointed out we are 17th for accuracy this year. I can't believe there's a worse team.

[DOG GOD]

Some of our decision making is indeed primary school stuff

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Kudos Crozier. Takes mark of the year on the HFF, then runs all the way back on Wood's stuff up to try and make the contest.

[bulldogtragic]

Red time goal??

[DOG GOD]

Yep, primary school stuff Caleb

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Wow. Now we are just inventing ways to be dumb.
Surely Caleb just smashes it down the line when his option isnt there?

[westdog54]

Red time goal??

Saved by De Goey's lairising.

[chef]

Thank *!*!*!*! Collingwood is as crap as us at goal kicking .

[hujsh]

Any chance someone could work to give Daniel a target to hit anywhere within 50 m of him? No? Okay then.

[jeemak]

Well, I'm really bullish about our potential to improve tonight. I actually think with a bit of a reset at half time we can get things moving a bit more cleanly and tick the scoreboard over a bit more.

Just have to stop being so silly!

[DOG GOD]

If it wasn’t for bont and libba, wed be 10 goals down

[MrMahatma]

Now if he'd just do something about those sideburns.

There’s a party in his mouth and everyone is invited!

[hujsh]

Watching us play is like playing a scratch and win game. Teases and teases with lots of 2's but never delivers on the payout of 3 matches that you need.

[Murphy'sLore]

Taking a sip of my wine every time we kick a goal - suffice to say I am very sober.

[EasternWest]

There’s a party in his mouth and everyone is invited!

Ha ha.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I really hope the Filth's failure to capitalise on our mistakes bites them hard in the 2nd half.
We should be slaughtering them, but for our poor execution, our inability to take the right final option.
Their forwards are a non factor if we don't turn the ball over. We're winning clearances, tackles and disposals, inside 50's. We've got the game on our terms for enough of the time.......we're just blowing it.
We need to get Schache, Naughton and Gowers into the game in the second half, because we sure as hell know our mids don't have a hurt factor.

[whythelongface]

Our fwd line is dysfunctional but do too is our delivery. We really struggle to be consistent scorers. Our only consolation is we make it difficult for our opponents to score. However we can only hold out for so long. If we don’t impact the scoreboard early in the 3rd we will struggle to get past the Pies.

[MrMahatma]

Taking a sip of my wine every time we kick a goal - suffice to say I am very sober.

Nervous drinker here too. I sip every time I want to swear... safe to say I’m blind.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Taking a sip of my wine every time we kick a goal - suffice to say I am very sober.

Damn, I knew I got it wrong; a sip of red wine every time we go inside 50 and don't get a shot on goal.. I'm about to pass out

[merantau]

We're keeping them in it and they're keeping us in it! Very strange game. We miss so many chances - it is demoralzing.
Still there is the opportunity to win this game if we start to deliver some decent ball inside 50. Naughton, Gowers, Schache have been AWOL. Let's Go Dogs.

[MrMahatma]

Big 3rd quarter. Feeling like we’re about to bust it open.

[GVGjr]

Not a pretty game but we are hanging tough

[Mantis]

Yah those critical errors hay Zaine

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Dunks!!!

[jeemak]

Richards isn't thinking tonight tonight...…..

[bulldogtragic]

Richards isn't thinking tonight tonight...…..

Nice Smashing Pumpkins reference. Kudos.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

If we can limit the turnovers, big if, we have got these guys.

[kruder]

Crozier the new Easton Wood sensational

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Wow.. Naughton. The Foster comparison previously made here ( my apologies- I forget by whom) is spot on.

[EasternWest]

Crikey. Naughton is a beast.

[1eyedog]

We're up and about now

[FrediKanoute]

If you are going to switch you MUST hit your target. A gift

[MrMahatma]

Second gift of a goal. Hurts.

[Mantis]

Bloody hell Libba... working so hard and we continually do that.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

If you are going to switch you MUST hit your target. A gift

Was that Duryea?

[G-Mo77]

I'll happily put my hand up and say I was dead against Naughton up forward. I haven't seen anything like this in a long time from a Bulldog.

[EasternWest]

Bontempelli has been so good tonight.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

If not for the catastrophic result of about 2% of our execution, we're a top 4 side..It's just that that 2% of screw ups costs us big points.

[GVGjr]

We jus t need to get some multiple goal kickers now :)

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Bontempelli has been so good tonight.

Him and Naughton are a side you can build 10 years around.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

We didn't deserve that goal against, our defenders did nothing wrong, just brilliance from Varcoe

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Loving the 1%ers across the board from our guys tonight.

[FrediKanoute]

Big 3rd quarter - 5 goals, but still only 5 points ahead

[merantau]

We have a big chance to go on with this. Let's do it!

[GVGjr]

First goal is important for us

[jeemak]

How in shits name was that not in the back to Dickson? How?

Terrible.

[bulldogtragic]

Smithy! Oh.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

That was clearly Crozier first. Atrocious decision

[bulldogtragic]

Not close to a mark. If we lose this, we should be please explaining them.

[EasternWest]

Not close to a mark. If we lose this, we should be please explaining them.

"Umpire's paid mark ticked off by AFL".

[kruder]

Dicksons hands have costs us 4 times in the quarter

[FrediKanoute]

Gone. Calling it 5 mins out

[hujsh]

Yah those critical errors hay Zaine

To be fair to him, if you're talking about the kick, he was missing his boot apparently.

[bulldogtragic]

Over.

[chef]

Done.

[G-Mo77]

Geez really disappointing last term. Haven't looked like it this quarter.

[Murphy'sLore]

Very disappointing.

[hujsh]

*!*!*!*!ed

[G-Mo77]

Shache has been a dead set statue tonight. With the triple teaming of Naughton he still doesn't look like getting near it

[jeemak]

Interesting that we're one man up as well, that we couldn't leverage it.

Collingwood deserve the win tonight, we just cough up the footy too much.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Really disappointing, we're so close to being a top side....but we kills ourselves.

[Murphy'sLore]

So we're gallant again, are we? I used to be happy with that, before 2016.

[bulldogtragic]

So we're gallant again, are we? I used to be happy with that, before 2016.

Feeling very honourable in the loss right now.

[G-Mo77]

So we're gallant again, are we? I used to be happy with that, before 2016.

Yep. Getting respect but not winning. Until we clean up our ball use and find more direct avenues to goal this is all we should expect with the occasional W coming our way.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Disappointing midfield in the last - we were like bees to the honeypot.

I’ve got some concerns over McLean, Dickson, Gowers and Schache - the first 3 aren’t offering enough defensively or offensively. Schache hasn’t touched the footy in two weeks which is made worse by his inability to compete in any way physically.

We’re on the right track but we have some players I’m concerned about and we still turn it over too much. Even our better players like Bont and Macrae turn it over far too often.

[kruder]

So we're gallant again, are we? I used to be happy with that, before 2016.

We just don't look like we believe yet. Agree feels like a classical historical dogs performance.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Forget delivery inside 50, Schache reminds me of Alastair Ford right now, in terms of timidity. Looks like he has all the attributes, but just plays with timidity.
He and Gowers were worst on ground. JJ gets a pass given his long absence.

[AndrewP6]

I hate dropping games on Friday. I hate Collingwood.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Actually disagree. It's not a lack of belief. It's the repeated frustration of giving massive amounts of effort, and getting not only ZERO reward, but the opposition getting a cheap freebie. No matter what the sport, cricket or footy, when you put in maximum effort and it produces nothing, and in fact the opposition get a quick reward off the back of YOUR maximum effort for no gain, it just takes the wind out of your sails.
We believe, or most of them believe...and are giving it everything and more...we just fail to capitalise.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I hate dropping games on Friday. I hate Collingwood.

It's a rarity, but I wholeheartedly agree. There goes my weekend. Thanks goodness my kids don't have any birthday's to celebrate this weekend... I'd be lousy.

[jeemak]

I'm still seething over Dickson not being awarded the in the back early in the last. He was a bit disappointing with his handling tonight, but a fair bit of it was in the middle of the ground in traffic under huge pressure and that's not really his go.

Schache and Gowers were disappointing, but I'm not sure the MC have the apricots to drop both when each should be in trouble. The question is, how did Trengove play tonight? If he is in reasonable touch I think we get him in as our second ruck and give Schache a spell with Gowers out for Greene or Lipinski.

Richards was also disappointing, he's getting it a bit but isn't making good decisions.

The midfield looked a bit tired in the last, and I don't think the five day break really helped us too much. Once again they and others across the ground got too fixated on hunting the footy and that allowed Collingwood to get some outside ball and some clear air to get it moving.

[Sedat]

Disappointing midfield in the last - we were like bees to the honeypot.

I’ve got some concerns over McLean, Dickson, Gowers and Schache - the first 3 aren’t offering enough defensively or offensively. Schache hasn’t touched the footy in two weeks which is made worse by his inability to compete in any way physically.

We’re on the right track but we have some players I’m concerned about and we still turn it over too much. Even our better players like Bont and Macrae turn it over far too often.
Good summary. Very hard to kick a winning score when there are too many passengers in our F50.

If 2019 is a development year, we're not far off it. English in the ruck is a complete liability at the moment but we need to play the long game.

[jeemak]

Good summary. Very hard to kick a winning score when there are too many passengers in our F50.

If 2019 is a development year, we're not far off it. English in the ruck is a complete liability at the moment but we need to play the long game.

I think he needs Trengove as support as his opponent isn't being worn down at all when Schache gets a run in the ruck. If English is still to physically limited, how does replacing him in game with someone even less physical help our cause, particularly if that player isn't touching the football?

[Grantysghost]

Thought we were a bit unlucky with some goal decisions. Naughton touch was over the line, Pies got an 80 metre penalty for a goal and Crozier had a large portion of the Cox mark in the last. That's a three goal swing right there.

[FrediKanoute]

Schache 1 kick, 3 handballs
Gowers 1 kick, 4 handballs

Both should hand back their match payments - not good enough

[FrediKanoute]

Thought we were a bit unlucky with some goal decisions. Naughton touch was over the line, Pies got an 80 metre penalty for a goal and Crozier had a large portion of the Cox mark in the last. That's a three goal swing right there.

The Cox mark was a Cox Mark. Crosier had barely enough. Maybe play on.
The touch over the line begs the question why was Naughton going for the mark? Surely it should have been all about the shepherd in a 2 on 1?

[kruder]

Schache 1 kick, 3 handballs
Gowers 1 kick, 4 handballs

Both should hand back their match payments - not good enough


Can you add Duryea to that list?

[Grantysghost]

The Cox mark was a Cox Mark. Crosier had barely enough. Maybe play on.
The touch over the line begs the question why was Naughton going for the mark? Surely it should have been all about the shepherd in a 2 on 1?

Agree he should've just let it go through but it's irrelevant to the clear footage showing it was over the line. BT is a nauseating commentator these days too. Constantly having a crack about our crowd numbers.

[jeemak]

Agree he should've just let it go through but it's irrelevant to the clear footage showing it was over the line. BT is a nauseating commentator these days too. Constantly having a crack about our crowd numbers.

I'd be interested to learn of a time when he didn't make you want to vomit.

[Grantysghost]

I'd be interested to learn of a time when he didn't make you want to vomit.

Ha fair point.

[Sedat]

I think he needs Trengove as support as his opponent isn't being worn down at all when Schache gets a run in the ruck. If English is still to physically limited, how does replacing him in game with someone even less physical help our cause, particularly if that player isn't touching the football?
I'm a Schache supporter but we simply cannot carry passengers both inside F50 or up the ground as 2nd ruck. He needs to get much more involved and more often.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I'm a Schache supporter but we simply cannot carry passengers both inside F50 or up the ground as 2nd ruck. He needs to get much more involved and more often.

Why is it we give Schache a free pass, as being a young key tall... and yet Naughton in year 2 is a game changer who asserts himself in all facets of play?
Schache is largely timid, tentative, and low intensity and very much a long shot to be a legitimate long term key AFL player.

[comrade]

Does anyone else get frustrated by Macrae's constant tendency to go to ground and try to draw contact. He's better than that.

[Sedat]

Why is it we give Schache a free pass, as being a young key tall... and yet Naughton in year 2 is a game changer who asserts himself in all facets of play?
Schache is largely timid, tentative, and low intensity and very much a long shot to be a legitimate long term key AFL player.
He might be tall but Schache aint a key forward. He needs to get on his bike and use his supposed elite tank to provide a bailout option.

Naughton is next level and most key forwards under 21 would pale in comparison to him.

[Remi Moses]

Agree entirely on Schache. He just has to insert himself into the game , as does Gowers .
Poor tonight , both of them .

[Remi Moses]

Yes we get it Taylor
Collingwood have got more supporters and no need to have a peeing competition

[angelopetraglia]

Just back from the game. Thought we had them when Wally put us two goals up. We took out chances in the 3rd quarter and kicked a few goals against the trend of the game.

They just had too much run and were cleaner in the last. Cox also had a massive influence. The five day break had to be a factor. We looked like we were running on the spot.

Turnovers that cost us cheap goals have been a trend for the last three weeks. Some atrocious kicking resulted in three gifts. That’s basically the ball game. When we got our chance on the turnover, we didn’t hurt them.

[Eastdog]

Dissapointed again with the result tonight but still a lot of good moments but the skill level from both sides was way down. Talking with my brother who is a happy Pies fan tonight he wasn't that impressed with the game and win but in the end they won and we didn't which makes it even more frustrating on our end. Our mids got a lot of the ball but the overall game was a defensive one.

We need a lot more from our forawrds Gowers, Schache dissapointing. For me tonight I thought Naughton, Crozier, Daniel, Bont, Macrae were good. Suckling and McLean kicked nice goals and the Lloyd goal I liked. Still a struggle for us find the sticks. Crozier's mark was fantastic.

Onto Easter Sunday and back at Marvel Stadium against the Blues.

[bornadog]

how did Trengove play tonight? .

Trengove 26 disposals and kicked 2.2

[bornadog]

Just back from the game. Thought we had them when Wally put us two goals up. We took out chances in the 3rd quarter and kicked a few goals against the trend of the game.

They just had too much run and were cleaner in the last. Cox also had a massive influence. The five day break had to be a factor. We looked like we were running on the spot.

Turnovers that cost us cheap goals have been a trend for the last three weeks. Some atrocious kicking resulted in three gifts. That’s basically the ball game. When we got our chance on the turnover, we didn’t hurt them.

Spot on well summed up.

With Schache and Gowers not firing we left to it to too few to kick goals. We seem to run out of puff in the last ten minutes, and they won the ball out of the centre and it was game over. De Goey to the centre made all the difference.

[The bulldog tragician]

A funny game to make sense of. I feared we would be belted. But our midfield were very strong in negating the Grundy ruck dominance. I don’t think I’ve seen a 19yo mark like Aaron Naughton. My god he is impressive.

It was a disappointing night for Gowers and Schache. But the kicking into the forward line continues to be atrocious. I am usually a big fan of Hunter but his kicking can be such a liability...and knowing that, he then stops and props and we lose momentum. Ed needs to go back to Footscray and find form. JJ will be better for the run. Bailey Smith improves each week. That magic goal on the big stage will show him he belongs.

All in all I feel very encouraged. We are not far off from becoming a very good side, our premiership core will still be in their prime when the young talent matures, we just need to keep positive even when our efforts don’t bring the just rewards.

[jeemak]

He might be tall but Schache aint a key forward. He needs to get on his bike and use his supposed elite tank to provide a bailout option.

Naughton is next level and most key forwards under 21 would pale in comparison to him.

I think the best thing that can come out of the weekend is Tom Boyd getting through the game physically and mentally unscathed if it happens, because he is a massive competitor compared to Schache and we would look a much better team with him playing second ruck to English, or even first ruck.

Naughton is a freak of a player, and will end up being the steal of the draft at pick nine if this form line continues. He just doesn't care about his safety when flying, which is by far the biggest attribute someone with his marking ability can have. There's only one Bulldogs player I've seen in my lifetime in a key position that I have so much faith in as a forward, and he ended up being the best CHB I have ever seen so who knows what this kid will end up achieving.

[jeemak]

Trengove 26 disposals and kicked 2.2

Thanks Michael.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Agree entirely on Schache. He just has to insert himself into the game , as does Gowers .
Poor tonight , both of them .
You begin to wonder on tonight’s whether Schache and Gowers are up to the required standard. I would prefer to play Greene forward who showed ability. Little point in rucking Schache when he simply isn’t good enough. Far better to play a stronger body in Trengrove. English was outclassed for the second week in a row which is a further concern.

[SonofScray]

We could have been 4-0 and equally could have been 0-4. 2-2 is probably right.

Gowers was a pylon out there tonight. He can have a spell I think. Shache was poor, but I'd persist.

The game was pretty dour, by our doing, which was good. The big shame obviously being the repeat instances of I50 =/= Goals. Need the rewards, scoreboard pressure.

[Ghost Dog]

Some winning moments without the win. Take great confidence from the effort and spread of contribution. That goal by Smith made my night. He's going to be a beast. Missing easy goals loses you games.

[jeemak]

You begin to wonder on tonight’s whether Schache and Gowers are up to the required standard. I would prefer to play Greene forward who showed ability. Little point in rucking Schache when he simply isn’t good enough. Far better to play a stronger body in Trengrove. English was outclassed for the second week in a row which is a further concern.

I think each have suffered from extensive attention after the first couple of weeks of the season that they wouldn't have previously. it will take some time for them to adjust.

They need time to respond, but that should possibly be via the two's.

[merantau]

The game was lost because we had a few more passengers than them, we missed our chances again, gifted them goals with horrible turnovers and lacked surety by hand at crucial moments.
Despite Grundy's complete dominance Collingwood's vaunted midfield was outclassed for 80% of the match.
We are not far away. But remember: they missed chances too which tempers my optimism. We need to improve our conversion rate. That is NUMBER 1 priority.
Starting next match, a dominant performance, is just the filip needed.

[westdog54]

Can you add Duryea to that list?

I'm curious as to why Duryea ought to be in the gun. I would have thought 21 touches and 6 marks plus plenty of good contests was a fairly solid outing?

[ledge]

Same old story , delivery into the forward line , just bomb it in and watch it come out 90% off the time , it’s been happening for years with us.
Either find a guy who will smash the packs or take a strong mark, Haven’t seen a guy like Naughton since Templeton.
Could we try Crozier up forward ?

I beg to differ on people’s comments on Gowers , he tackled a lot and put pressure on but sadly it was when he was up the ground.
Schache was terrible but as I keep saying we don’t help our forwardsat all with our delivery.

[Pickenitup]

Thought Doc played quite well

[westdog54]

Are we giving Schache the best chance to use that tank of his. When we stream forward after a turnover we seem to be doing it haphazardly giving him little to no room to lead up the ground.

Do we need to structure up better on the rebound?

[kruder]

I'm curious as to why Duryea ought to be in the gun. I would have thought 21 touches and 6 marks plus plenty of good contests was a fairly solid outing?

Thought he was poor at best. Very ordinary in the contest, slow, falls over at critical times and only average by foot. I understand that we have a young group hence why he is brought in but lets be honest there are some very ordinary premiership players out there. Bailey Williams in please.

[Hotdog60]

With Naughton aerial expertise I think it is giving players up the field an excuse to bomb it long as an easy out. More so now than in the past.

Moore and Howe covering Aaron we should exploited it. But we don't seem to have the smarts or skills to do it.

Does that problem fall on Grace or Hansen on how we enter our 50.

[angelopetraglia]

Last night had an issue in the crowd for the first time in a long while.

We have reserved seats at Marvel Stadium (same seats on the bottom deck since we moved there) and are also AFL members. So most of the games we are surrounded by Bulldog supporters and the same people for a long, long time.

Sitting in the AFL members last night. I was at the football with my Day (70) and my son (12). The people behind us were swearing. Not occasionally. Consistently and most of it was pretty offensive. I have a high threshold for those type of idiots and don't want to cause any issues. However by half way through the second quarter I turned around and calmly asked them if they could stop swearing but they are free to barrack as hard as they want.

He turned around and said "If you don't like it mate, you can all go back to the soccer".

Both my parents were born in Italy but came to Australia in the early 1950s as toddlers. I used to cop that every second week growing up (and much, much worse), but never ever thought that my son would be subjected to it. I thought we had gone past that. The guy who said it was in his 30s.

My Dad got visibly upset, but get didn't create any issues. At half time I calmly turned around and told him how sad I was that I'm still copping that type of abuse and people still think in those terms. The females he was with were horrified and were telling him to pull his head in but he didn't show any remorse. You can't teach stupid.

Bloody sad just thinking about it.

[merantau]

Last night had an issue in the crowd for the first time in a long while.

We have reserved seats at Marvel Stadium (same seats on the bottom deck since we moved there) and are also AFL members. So most of the games we are surrounded by Bulldog supporters and the same people for a long, long time.

Sitting in the AFL members last night. I was at the football with my Day (70) and my son (12). The people behind us were swearing. Not occasionally. Consistently and most of it was pretty offensive. I have a high threshold for those type of idiots and don't want to cause any issues. However by half way through the second quarter I turned around and calmly asked them if they could stop swearing but they are free to barrack as hard as they want.

He turned around and said "If you don't like it mate, you can all go back to the soccer".

Both my parents were born in Italy but came to Australia in the early 1950s as toddlers. I used to cop that every second week growing up (and much, much worse), but never ever thought that my son would be subjected to it. I thought we had gone past that. The guy who said it was in his 30s.

My Dad got visibly upset, but get didn't create any issues. At half time I calmly turned around and told him how sad I was that I'm still copping that type of abuse and people still think in those terms. The females he was with were horrified and were telling him to pull his head in but he didn't show any remorse. You can't teach stupid.

Bloody sad just thinking about it.

That is absolutely rank. I despise that so much. Arrogant prick. Reeks of everything I hate about his type. Big mouth dickhead who as my old man used to say: "Wouldn't know shit from clay." Those types are pure scum.

[Bulldog4life]

I think the best thing that can come out of the weekend is Tom Boyd getting through the game physically and mentally unscathed if it happens, because he is a massive competitor compared to Schache and we would look a much better team with him playing second ruck to English, or even first ruck.

Naughton is a freak of a player, and will end up being the steal of the draft at pick nine if this form line continues. He just doesn't care about his safety when flying, which is by far the biggest attribute someone with his marking ability can have. There's only one Bulldogs player I've seen in my lifetime in a key position that I have so much faith in as a forward, and he ended up being the best CHB I have ever seen so who knows what this kid will end up achieving.

Yes Tom would be a good acquisition although Bevo said in his presser that Tom is long way off from playing in our firsts.

[Doc26]

Undoubtedly Naughton and Crozier’s marking were highlights on the night. I can’t recall us having strong contested marks since the days of Grant and Foster.

Our turnovers continue to hurt us badly. Just bad lapses by foot, giving it back to the opposition when we’ve all pushed forward. I can recall numerous costly examples of this e.g Daniel, Duryea, Wallis resulting in opposition goals.

There were some line ball umpiring calls that also didn’t go our way that resulted in goals. The two line ball goal line calls that could’ve been goals to us, and then later the Crozier first hands on the ball that was paid a mark to Cox who subsequently scored.

Of course Grundy’s work was too much around the contests. I hold a view that although the net clearance effect is not as damaging it has a draining effect on our mids not getting any clear advantage time and time again. If nothing else Beveridge has been consistent (stubborn) in not acknowledging our need for an experienced ruckman whilst English is given time to develop.

Schache and Gowers were my two biggest disappointments of the evening. With the amount of inside 50s that we had we just could not convert this to scoreboard pressure. I had hoped that Schache may had turned a corner but on the last two weeks I’ve been mislead.

I’m wondering when Boyd regains enough fitness whether Schache might be tried to hold down a key defensive position. He supposedly has a tank, is a beautiful field kick and developing this side to his game will help down track. Whether he has the grit and fight for defence would be my main question.

When Boyd is ready, Boyd and Naughton as our key forward pillars, with Boyd changing ruck with English may be worth a try.

I still hold that Williams is a much better bet than Duryea, and that Lipinski deserves a place for Gowers.

Makes for a subdued start to the weekend to go down to Collingwood on a Friday night.

[AndrewP6]

Thought he was poor at best. Very ordinary in the contest, slow, falls over at critical times and only average by foot. I understand that we have a young group hence why he is brought in but lets be honest there are some very ordinary premiership players out there. Bailey Williams in please.

Doc went at 76% by foot. Bont 75% - so "poor by foot" isn't really accurate.

[AndrewP6]

Thoughts on Cordy? To be honest I barely noticed him - and I don't think that's a positive.

[Remi Moses]

Last night had an issue in the crowd for the first time in a long while.

We have reserved seats at Marvel Stadium (same seats on the bottom deck since we moved there) and are also AFL members. So most of the games we are surrounded by Bulldog supporters and the same people for a long, long time.

Sitting in the AFL members last night. I was at the football with my Day (70) and my son (12). The people behind us were swearing. Not occasionally. Consistently and most of it was pretty offensive. I have a high threshold for those type of idiots and don't want to cause any issues. However by half way through the second quarter I turned around and calmly asked them if they could stop swearing but they are free to barrack as hard as they want.

He turned around and said "If you don't like it mate, you can all go back to the soccer".

Both my parents were born in Italy but came to Australia in the early 1950s as toddlers. I used to cop that every second week growing up (and much, much worse), but never ever thought that my son would be subjected to it. I thought we had gone past that. The guy who said it was in his 30s.

My Dad got visibly upset, but get didn't create any issues. At half time I calmly turned around and told him how sad I was that I'm still copping that type of abuse and people still think in those terms. The females he was with were horrified and were telling him to pull his head in but he didn't show any remorse. You can't teach stupid.

Bloody sad just thinking about it.

Used to cop that crap often in the 80’s
Thought it had disappeared. Often at Geelong, but referencing pyramid would shut them up .
What a sad sack

[EasternWest]

Last night had an issue in the crowd for the first time in a long while.

We have reserved seats at Marvel Stadium (same seats on the bottom deck since we moved there) and are also AFL members. So most of the games we are surrounded by Bulldog supporters and the same people for a long, long time.

Sitting in the AFL members last night. I was at the football with my Day (70) and my son (12). The people behind us were swearing. Not occasionally. Consistently and most of it was pretty offensive. I have a high threshold for those type of idiots and don't want to cause any issues. However by half way through the second quarter I turned around and calmly asked them if they could stop swearing but they are free to barrack as hard as they want.

He turned around and said "If you don't like it mate, you can all go back to the soccer".

Both my parents were born in Italy but came to Australia in the early 1950s as toddlers. I used to cop that every second week growing up (and much, much worse), but never ever thought that my son would be subjected to it. I thought we had gone past that. The guy who said it was in his 30s.

My Dad got visibly upset, but get didn't create any issues. At half time I calmly turned around and told him how sad I was that I'm still copping that type of abuse and people still think in those terms. The females he was with were horrified and were telling him to pull his head in but he didn't show any remorse. You can't teach stupid.

Bloody sad just thinking about it.

That is bullshit mate, but kudos to you for being the better man and dealing with it with grace and class.

[Doc26]

Doc went at 76% by foot. Bont 75% - so "poor by foot" isn't really accurate.

I was referring more specifically to the turnover lapses by foot, not so much overall kicking efficiency. There’s overall efficiency ratings that can mask disposals that simply kill you with way the modern game is played.

[bornadog]

Last night had an issue in the crowd for the first time in a long while.

We have reserved seats at Marvel Stadium (same seats on the bottom deck since we moved there) and are also AFL members. So most of the games we are surrounded by Bulldog supporters and the same people for a long, long time.

Sitting in the AFL members last night. I was at the football with my Day (70) and my son (12). The people behind us were swearing. Not occasionally. Consistently and most of it was pretty offensive. I have a high threshold for those type of idiots and don't want to cause any issues. However by half way through the second quarter I turned around and calmly asked them if they could stop swearing but they are free to barrack as hard as they want.

He turned around and said "If you don't like it mate, you can all go back to the soccer".

Both my parents were born in Italy but came to Australia in the early 1950s as toddlers. I used to cop that every second week growing up (and much, much worse), but never ever thought that my son would be subjected to it. I thought we had gone past that. The guy who said it was in his 30s.

My Dad got visibly upset, but get didn't create any issues. At half time I calmly turned around and told him how sad I was that I'm still copping that type of abuse and people still think in those terms. The females he was with were horrified and were telling him to pull his head in but he didn't show any remorse. You can't teach stupid.

Bloody sad just thinking about it.

If there is a Next time report them to security.

There is no place for racism in this world.

[The bulldog tragician]

That is bullshit mate, but kudos to you for being the better man and dealing with it with grace and class.
Sickening behaviour. Unfortunately last night the Pies fans around us lived up or should I say down to their well worn reputation of offensiveness.

[Pickenitup]

I was sitting in Pies members area and my pies mate was embrassing calling us tragic club welfare club etc bagging Libba for being a druggie made my blood boil especially when the pies ain’t a clean club can’t wait till the rematch In June.

[jeemak]

Thoughts on Cordy? To be honest I barely noticed him - and I don't think that's a positive.

I thought I noticed him stuff a kick up whilst only playing with one boot, kicking it with his sock. That made me frustrated.

He was never going to be able to match the reach of Mason Cox, but seemed to get done for pace/dash by him a couple of times which seemed strange to me.

[Bulldog4life]

I was sitting in Pies members area and my pies mate was embrassing calling us tragic club welfare club etc bagging Libba for being a druggie made my blood boil especially when the pies ain’t a clean club can’t wait till the rematch In June.

You don't need a mate like that.

[SonofScray]

Sickening behaviour. Unfortunately last night the Pies fans around us lived up or should I say down to their well worn reputation of offensiveness.

Pre and post game was awful on this front. Blokes trying to pick fights on the train, getting aggro on the concourse. I've been involved in five altercations across 33 years of going to the footy, Collingwood involved 3/5 times. They just have this cohort in their fan base where footy is an excuse for a piss up and an opportunity to hide behind the pack mentality.

[The bulldog tragician]

Pre and post game was awful on this front. Blokes trying to pick fights on the train, getting aggro on the concourse. I've been involved in five altercations across 33 years of going to the footy, Collingwood involved 3/5 times. They just have this cohort in their fan base where footy is an excuse for a piss up and an opportunity to hide behind the pack mentality.

Several near us were drinking beer from a boot. Classy.

[Eastdog]

Will be back in our members area this week amongst our own supporters.

[Ghost Dog]

Call security. That's racist.
If I was in earshot of that my brother, I would be calling security straight away on your behalf. To save someone else the bother.
Swearing like that around kids is not allowed at games. Racist comments are not allowed.
I love the fact things have improved in that regard at AFL. People who give racist lip are kicked out. People who start fights are arrested.
I love the fact I barrack for a club where there is little of that. Fight incidents seem always to be started by Richmond, Collingwood or Essendon supporters in my experience.

[jeemak]

I mean swearing isn't flash and it's definitely unsavoury, but it's easy enough to explain to kids. It's when it turns into bigotry and has sexuality, race and gender denigration where it becomes difficult.

The racists should have been reported and escorted from the ground. Angelo, you did a wonderful job in maintaining your grace and dignity, as did those you were watching the game with. I'm sorry this stuff still exists.

[bornadog]

Coaches votes leaders

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[Bulldog4life]

Coaches Votes:

COLLINGWOOD v WESTERN BULLDOGS
9 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Brodie Grundy (COLL)
5 Tom Phillips (COLL)
4 Hayden Crozier (WB)
2 Caleb Daniel (WB)
2 Jordan De Goey (COLL)