Senior Assist Coach Options

[bulldogtragic]

A few woofers have suggested the need to have a senior assistant coach to change things up. We haven't replaced the disciplinarian from 2016 in Monty. Some names are starting to rise to the surface:

Brad Scott is a free agent now, could he be like Vossy & Leppa and excel as an assistant?
Brendan Bolton will probably be a free agent soon, is a proven assistant and worked alongside Bevo
John Barker (if there's a Carlton clean out) could be a free agent at year's end, has had 'acting experience' and seems switched on

Some questions:

1) Any other prospects who are likely to be floating around?
2) Which current assistants need to be moved on?
3) Will any of these three coaches above improve the coaching panel?

[bornadog]

Current Senior Assistant is King.

[bulldogtragic]

Current Senior Assistant is King.

Yes. The questions are about the other coaches named (and if they could improve our panel) and if we need to move of any existing assistants out (inc. senior assistant) since we've done very little to the coaching panel.

[westbulldog]

Bring back Matthew Boyd into the coaching group and Lindsay Gilbee as a specialist kicking coach

[bornadog]

Not sure I would like Brad Scott, he and his brother are similar and act like supporters in the box.

I would look at someone like Barker and maybe Bolton from your list. There are also some rumours about the Saints and Brad heading there, so where does that leave Richardson and Brett Ratten?

I think by years end there will be some coaches available, and we should look at a refresh.

[bulldogtragic]

Bring back Matthew Boyd into the coaching group and Lindsay Gilbee as a specialist kicking coach

Boyd: Collingwood development coach 2018 (Grand Final) and 2019 (currently 2nd). With a lot of kids, if he's truly good at his job then that might be something. Is two years outside of the club enough to bring in a fresh set of ideas?

[comrade]

Boyd: Collingwood development coach 2018 (Grand Final) and 2019 (currently 2nd). With a lot of kids, if he's truly good at his job then that might be something. Is two years outside of the club enough to bring in a fresh set of ideas?

He's probably the only ex-player with the steel to actually go up against Bevo if he disagrees. Doesn't seem to be one to ever take a step back.

[The Doctor]

I think we could use a refresh in the coaching dept.

[azabob]

I think we could use a refresh in the coaching dept.

It’s only 18 months overdue

[GVGjr]

What are some of the qualities we are looking for in a senior assistant coach that's going to make a difference?

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

What are some of the qualities we are looking for in a senior assistant coach that's going to make a difference?
We desperately need some mental toughness IMO.
I would be looking to bring both Boyd and Cross at the expense of Gia and Rohan Smith. Three years in the wilderness is long enough.
The losses to Carlton Gold Coast Suns and now North Melbourne is inexcusable. I would also look to replace Steven King and bring in an experienced ruck Coach who is able to teach both English and Lew Young the art of ruck work. We were thrashed in the ruck today with a BOG performance by Goldstein. There is also a need for a running Coach. Our team is too slow leading to handball invariably as the first option rather than kicking the ball. I also think Chris Grant’s role as Director of Coaching should be under review.

[bornadog]

We desperately need some mental toughness IMO.
I would be looking to bring both Boyd and Cross at the expense of Gia and Rohan Smith. Three years in the wilderness is long enough.
The losses to Carlton Gold Coast Suns and now North Melbourne is inexcusable. I would also look to replace Steven King and bring in an experienced ruck Coach who is able to teach both English and Lew Young the art of ruck work. We were thrashed in the ruck today with a BOG performance by Goldstein. There is also a need for a running Coach. Our team is too slow leading to handball invariably as the first option rather than kicking the ball. I also think Chris Grant’s role as Director of Coaching should be under review.

I prefer we get non- bulldog people to the club who have experienced success. What can they bring? New ideas, new strategies and a different way at looking at things.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I prefer we get non- bulldog people to the club who have experienced success. What can they bring? New ideas, new strategies and a different way at looking at things.
So we need to look at the Cats and Hawks for coaches that would change things.

For me it’s all starting at the top. He is lost it. We’ve all seen players out of Posistion, players out of confidence and we can’t even start at the selection table.

[bornadog]

So we need to look at the Cats and Hawks for coaches that would change things.

For me it’s all starting at the top. He is lost it. We’ve all seen players out of Position, players out of confidence and we can’t even start at the selection table.

Cant agree with this, we just don't have the players with experience, especially in the talls.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

I prefer we get non- bulldog people to the club who have experienced success. What can they bring? New ideas, new strategies and a different way at looking at things.
Both Matthew Boyd and Daniel Cross are outstanding individuals who are highly regarded at both Collingwood and Melbourne respectively. They wouldn’t tolerate the mediocrity that we have served up over the past three years. I take your point of looking outside the Club but the WB has its own unique qualities and the two mentioned are first class people who would do wonders for our Club

[Ozza]

Both Matthew Boyd and Daniel Cross are outstanding individuals who are highly regarded at both Collingwood and Melbourne respectively. They wouldn’t tolerate the mediocrity that we have served up over the past three years. I take your point of looking outside the Club but the WB has its own unique qualities and the two mentioned are first class people who would do wonders for our Club

Crossy is under the pump at Melbourne. Wouldn't be surprised if he became available at seasons end.

[GVGjr]

We need a few attributes from an incoming senior assistant
1) IP from a successful club would be ideal
2) A contrast to way players are treated by Bevo, a firmer approach
3) Someone who will challenge Bevo and the other coaches in a productive manner

[macca]

We need a few attributes from an incoming senior assistant
1) IP from a successful club would be ideal
2) A contrast to way players are treated by Bevo, a firmer approach
3) Someone who will challenge Bevo and the other coaches in a productive manner
Agree , especially point #3
Someone needs to challenge our deficiencies and sort it out.
Our kicking is hopelesss and mental focus to stay switched on for 100% game time , yes that includes at the start .

Also need a coach to tell the sports scientist to f@$&& off with their hocus pocus.
Put some mongrel and hungry back into our team and to bleed rwb

[lemmon]

We need a few attributes from an incoming senior assistant
1) IP from a successful club would be ideal
2) A contrast to way players are treated by Bevo, a firmer approach
3) Someone who will challenge Bevo and the other coaches in a productive manner

I'd absolutely look at Brad Scott and hope that we're one of the clubs in his ear.

He hasn't had premiership success but he would bring a hard edge to the coaching lineup, would challenge Bevo and has a huge amount of experience as a head coach.

I get why supporters don't like him, but if we don't think someone with his resume and experience can help our coaching group, then we're really overrating our current crop

[Twodogs]

What are some of the qualities we are looking for in a senior assistant coach that's going to make a difference?

We really need somebody prepared to stand up to Bevo and challenge his 'good ideas'. From what I can see we have never replaced Montgomery in that position.
I don't necessarily think that all left field ideas are bad-we just need to tease them out a bit is all.

[jeemak]

We desperately need some mental toughness IMO.
I would be looking to bring both Boyd and Cross at the expense of Gia and Rohan Smith. Three years in the wilderness is long enough.
The losses to Carlton Gold Coast Suns and now North Melbourne is inexcusable. I would also look to replace Steven King and bring in an experienced ruck Coach who is able to teach both English and Lew Young the art of ruck work. We were thrashed in the ruck today with a BOG performance by Goldstein. There is also a need for a running Coach. Our team is too slow leading to handball invariably as the first option rather than kicking the ball. I also think Chris Grant’s role as Director of Coaching should be under review.

Do we actually know how Cross and Boyd are rated as coaches? What do we actually know about Gia and Smith as coaches?

Are we judging coaching careers on how players played? I loved Gia as a player, sure he had some defensive deficiencies but he was unbelievable in traffic, was super smart with and without the football and seemed to be a well respected communicator within the group. For some reason he seems to have been singled out as a coach we need to move on over time, but in honesty I don't know why.

[jeemak]

I'd absolutely look at Brad Scott and hope that we're one of the clubs in his ear.

He hasn't had premiership success but he would bring a hard edge to the coaching lineup, would challenge Bevo and has a huge amount of experience as a head coach.

I get why supporters don't like him, but if we don't think someone with his resume and experience can help our coaching group, then we're really overrating our current crop

I have never liked the Scott brothers, but, I've always thought Brad was the better coach given the shocking and vanilla playing lists he's had to work with over the journey and the middling success he's had.

If he was available for a senior assistant or directorial role in the background I'd seriously consider him.

[bornadog]

Do we actually know how Cross and Boyd are rated as coaches? What do we actually know about Gia and Smith as coaches?

Are we judging coaching careers on how players played? I loved Gia as a player, sure he had some defensive deficiencies but he was unbelievable in traffic, was super smart with and without the football and seemed to be a well respected communicator within the group. For some reason he seems to have been singled out as a coach we need to move on over time, but in honesty I don't know why.

Going pretty well as a coach of the VFL team

[bornadog]

I'd absolutely look at Brad Scott and hope that we're one of the clubs in his ear.

He hasn't had premiership success but he would bring a hard edge to the coaching lineup, would challenge Bevo and has a huge amount of experience as a head coach.

I get why supporters don't like him, but if we don't think someone with his resume and experience can help our coaching group, then we're really overrating our current crop

I would guess he would be looking for another senior role

[Bulldog4life]

I would guess he would be looking for another senior role

Agree I think we would have more of a chance of getting Bolton or Richardson if either or both loses their job.

[jeemak]

Going pretty well as a coach of the VFL team

Seems to be doing OK, will be interesting to see how the VFL team performs if injury thins out the playing stocks.

What does Cross actually do at Melbourne? Last year he was the runner and development and rehabilitation coach, a role pretty difficult to gauge effectiveness within from my perspective. Melbourne seem to be less effective than they were last year, not sure how their younger players are going and whether they have much coming through.

[bornadog]

Seems to be doing OK, will be interesting to see how the VFL team performs if injury thins out the playing stocks.

What does Cross actually do at Melbourne? Last year he was the runner and development and rehabilitation coach, a role pretty difficult to gauge effectiveness within from my perspective. Melbourne seem to be less effective than they were last year, not sure how their younger players are going and whether they have much coming through.

Looking on the Melbourne site under coaches, Crossy is not even listed, so maybe he is still a runner?

[GVGjr]

Looking on the Melbourne site under coaches, Crossy is not even listed, so maybe he is still a runner?

Isn't he a part time development and rehabilitation coach? I'm sure I've seen him at games this year

[bornadog]

Isn't he a part time development and rehabilitation coach? I'm sure I've seen him at games this year

Maybe they don't list the development guys on their site.

[bornadog]

A list of some of the coaches from The Age as possibles for North job, but we could also target as Senior Assistant:

EX SENIORS
Mark Harvey
A long time since he coached Fremantle and it is unlikely he would be realistically considered.

Justin Leppitsch (Richmond)
Not a good period at the Brisbane Lions but if he learnt his lessons he might be better second time around. Is a good assistant coach.

Matthew Knights (Geelong)
Stepped away from the limelight after he had little chance to prove his wares at Essendon. He is a good assistant coach and would be better the second time around.

Brendan McCartney (Melbourne)
Unlikely to be a candidate having coached at the Western Bulldogs but he is a good asset at the Demons.

Brett Ratten (St Kilda)
Five years at Carlton before stints in a premiership winning era at Hawthorn and now the Saints has him primed. He remains keen and can do the job.

Brenton Sanderson (Collingwood)
Led Adelaide to a preliminary final in three seasons at the Crows and has been an assistant coach in successful periods at Geelong and Collingwood. Can coach but whether he would want the scrutiny of a senior gig remains unclear.

Michael Voss (Port Adelaide)
Made biggest mistake recruiting ready made players at the end of his first season as senior coach at Lions which cruelled his stint. A big name in the game

Assistant coach

Scott Burns (Hawthorn)
Was in the mix at Carlton and has always seemed destined to be a senior coach after stints with West Coast, Collingwood and Hawthorn. He does not suffer fools and is well regarded.

Blake Caracella (Richmond)
Tactical genius who would be an asset at any club but might be too early to step into a senior coaching position.

Ash Hansen (Western Bulldogs)
Under-rated performer who has coached at VFL level and could be ready to make the next step.

Justin Longmuir (Collingwood)
Credited with shaping the Pies gameplan and the players like him. He is a sensible, measured voice.

Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn)
Inexperienced but a certain senior coach in the future. North Melbourne could try to entice him their way.

Matthew Nicks (GWS)
Moved to the Giants after a stint at Port Adelaide where he was respected to improve his senior coaching credentials. He would be a left-field coach.

Jade Rawlings (Melbourne)
Has experience as a caretaker coach, played at the Kangaroos and coaches his own team. He is ready and has seen the Demons move from disaster to a preliminary

Rhyce Shaw (North Melbourne)
Possible caretaker coach has coached NEAFL and won consecutive assistant coach of the year awards. Knows what is needed at North Melbourne.

Dean Solomon (Gold Coast)
Big wraps on the Suns assistant but away from the spotlight so not high in people's consciousness.

Level 4 coaching course participants
Craig Jennings (Melbourne), Daniel Giansiracusa (Western Bulldogs), David Teague (Carlton), Hansen (Western Bulldogs), Henry Playfair (St Kilda), Ashley Prescott (Gold Coast)

[bulldogtragic]

I love that that list air brushes out of history that Jade Rawlings ever played for us. Makes me so happy to want to believe that.

[Happy Days]

Do we actually know how Cross and Boyd are rated as coaches? What do we actually know about Gia and Smith as coaches?

Agree with this - it seems like being labelled as highly rated, without more and by literally anyone, is enough to be highly rated. What has Voss actually done at Port to be highly rated? They're still a thoroughly average side that missed the finals last year and have badly stagnated after a good start; why is Hinkley in strife but Voss remains highly rated?. Is Ratten less highly rated now that he's at a bad side instead of a good one? I've heard for pretty much over a decade how highly rated McCartney is/was as an assistant but he can't even sit in a coaches' box without causing disruption. It kinda seems self-fulfilling to me.

Also you didn't mention how handsome Gia is. That's a top 5 leadership trait and very highly rated in my book.

[Twodogs]

Isn't he a part time development and rehabilitation coach? I'm sure I've seen him at games this year

Crossy has been pretty visual at our games too. Talking to supporters and the like, I don't think he would be doing that if he had a heavy involvement at another club.

[Twodogs]

Agree with this - it seems like being labelled as highly rated, without more and by literally anyone, is enough to be highly rated. What has Voss actually done at Port to be highly rated? They're still a thoroughly average side that missed the finals last year and have badly stagnated after a good start; why is Hinkley in strife but Voss remains highly rated?. Is Ratten less highly rated now that he's at a bad side instead of a good one? I've heard for pretty much over a decade how highly rated McCartney is/was as an assistant but he can't even sit in a coaches' box without causing disruption. It kinda seems self-fulfilling to me.

Also you didn't mention how handsome Gia is. That's a top 5 leadership trait and very highly rated in my book.

Being good looking didn't do my coaching career any good.

[Mofra]

Gia is highly rated in AFL circles, his name even came up as dark horse selections for the North role next year.

I love the idea of either John Barker (who has been close to senior selection) or Matty Boyd (hard arse) joining our coaching list.

[Ghost Dog]

Agree , especially point #3
Someone needs to challenge our deficiencies and sort it out.
Our kicking is hopelesss and mental focus to stay switched on for 100% game time , yes that includes at the start .

Also need a coach to tell the sports scientist to f@$&& off with their hocus pocus.
Put some mongrel and hungry back into our team and to bleed rwb

Love this

[ledge]

Gia has coaching ambitions it’s why he has taken on our vfl team which seems to be going okay.
What’s the thoughts on Chris Maple, he seems to bring gold wherever he goes.

[Axe Man]

Could we offer Sumich some sort of role if he's happy to leave Perth? Seems well regarded.

How much do Melbourne love a sacked coach? McCartney, Neil Craig, now Bolton.


PETER Sumich could return to AFL coaching circles next season.

Sumich was this week named the under-18 national champions All-Australian coach after guiding Western Australia to the titles.

Sumich fell out with Ross Lyon before departing Fremantle in 2016, but could be tempted to re-enter club land for the right role.

Former Carlton coach Brendon Bolton was this week linked to a move to Melbourne.

[Jeanette54]

It seems odd how the media seem to weekly select a coach on whom to turn up the heat.

Often it doesn't seem to bear any relevance to the games won and lost, but mainly centres around the team performance, based on some prejudged concept of potential.

Clarko, for example, is never under any scrutiny, due to his past efforts with team which were packed with talent. However Hawthorn have won less games than we have, with his present line up. And it is undeniable Clarko has overseen the demise of his once great team. Kenny Hinkley and John Worsfold are continually touted as coaches whose jobs are under siege, and yet they have achieved more success this year than the Hawks.

I understand that both Port and Essendon are perceived to have talent to burn, and neither have set the world on fire this year. However the "talent" available to any given coach is a largely subjective measurement. Mainly associated with the value of the story to the publication the journo writes for.

Are we escaping media scrutiny because our irrelevance makes it less of a valuable media story ? Or is it just there is no story to be had from us ?

[azabob]

Supposedly August 1st was D-day for assistant coaches - as in are they continuing at their current club or not.

Anyone hear any news on our assistants?

[bulldogtragic]

Supposedly August 1st was D-day for assistant coaches - as in are they continuing at their current club or not.

Anyone hear any news on our assistants?

I spent some time googling today, checking AFEL.con and out website. Complete silence thus far...

[azabob]

I spent some time googling today, checking AFEL.con and out website. Complete silence thus far...

Yay! All re-signed, move on, nothing to see here...

Surely, surely there has to be some changes!!

[Bulldog4life]

I thought it was the month of August for a decision to be made. Could be wrong.

[azabob]

I thought it was the month of August for a decision to be made. Could be wrong.

You may well be correct.

[Axe Man]

It is August 1 but I'm not sure that clubs all come out and announce who is staying and who is going at the time.

[Twodogs]

It is August 1 but I'm not sure that clubs all come out and announce who is staying and who is going at the time.

Yep, it's the same day as all the horses' birthdays.

[westbulldog]

If the opportunity arose I would appoint Matthew Boyd and Dale Morris without hesitation.

[bulldogtragic]

If the opportunity arose I would appoint Matthew Boyd and Dale Morris without hesitation.

Good call. I was thinking the other day that Morris is incredible as a defender and mentor, but he's got current knowledge on current gun forwards that he can impart for next year.

[soupman]

If the opportunity arose I would appoint Matthew Boyd and Dale Morris without hesitation.

Boyd sure. Morris I would encourage to pursue opportunities at other clubs with a view to bringing him back in a few years.

Our coaching staff is sorely lacking in fresh ideas and perspectives and adding a bloke who has been a part of our club for 14 years does not fix that at all. At least Boyd has had a couple of years at a successful club now, that's the minimum we should be expecting from Morris or any other new coach.

[Bulldog4life]

I thought Dale could be an assistant at Footscray and tell him he can play as long as he likes.

[The Doctor]

If the opportunity arose I would appoint Matthew Boyd and Dale Morris without hesitation.

These are exactly the types we should be bringing into our coaching ranks in some capacity. Bulldogs warriors who gave everything. They have genuine footy smarts, tough but fair, and premiership heroes. We often hear about culture within clubs and it's importance. These two would enhance that surely.

[bornadog]

Melbourne is looking at Richardson as an assistant to Goodwin, but no other movements mentioned.

With Roughies retirement, surely we should be asking him the question.

[azabob]

Melbourne is looking at Richardson as an assistant to Goodwin, but no other movements mentioned.

With Roughies retirement, surely we should be asking him the question.

Apparently Saints are all over him.

[Axe Man]

Craig Jennings (our former opposition analyst) is leaving Melbourne to take up an AFL aligned VFL coaching position. Highly regarded and seen as a potential future senior coach.

[Happy Days]

Craig Jennings (our former opposition analyst) is leaving Melbourne to take up an AFL aligned VFL coaching position. Highly regarded and seen as a potential future senior coach.

How highly regarded can someone be to get a job at a footy club through seek.com.au?

[bulldogtragic]

Richardson to Melbourne
Caracalla to Essendon
Roughead to St Kilda
Bolton to Hawthorn

Are we losing out to other clubs, or not chasing them?

[Rocket Science]

I don't think you could blast our current crop of assistants out with dynamite.

Assuming we'll find a role for Moz and nobody else departs do we really have any openings?

[bornadog]

Bevo did mention a few weeks ago there will be some chnages

[azabob]

Bevo did mention a few weeks ago there will be some chnages

Where did he mention that?

[Rocket Science]

Bevo did mention a few weeks ago there will be some chnages

Another re-shuffle? Or actual turnover?

[bornadog]

Where did he mention that?

I can't remember excatly when, but do recall a mention.

[bulldogtragic]

Another re-shuffle? Or actual turnover?

I'll give you one guess. I wager it's the same guess as mine.

[ledge]

Don’t you have to tell them they are not required by the end of August ?
If so we are just shuffling , which i am ok with if we continue to keep tracking the way we are.

[jeemak]

Shuffling is OK, as long as we actually bring in some new talent to perform meaningful roles. Having the same blokes rotating through the same positions isn't sustainable.

[bornadog]

I'll give you one guess. I wager it's the same guess as mine.

We haven't just shuffled, we have had a few come in and out. Yes there are a few that have been there awhile. Have some faith.

[bulldogtragic]

We haven't just shuffled, we have had a few come in and out. Yes there are a few that have been there awhile. Have some faith.

Faith got nothing to do with it. I'd like to see some of the talented folks moving around clubs at the moment enter our club and strengthen the coaching ranks. New people, with different backgrounds, plus different club experience and new ideas are essential in my estimation.

[bornadog]

Faith got nothing to do with it. I'd like to see some of the talented folks moving around clubs at the moment enter our club and strengthen the coaching ranks. New people, with different backgrounds, plus different club experience and new ideas are essential in my estimation.

I agree, but you think it won't happen.

[bulldogtragic]

I agree, but you think it won't happen.

I hope. But I know Bolton, Roughy, Richo, Caracalla won’t be. My original question was did these guys overlook our offers, or did we not chase them?

[Topdog]

I hope. But I know Bolton, Roughy, Richo, Caracalla won’t be. My original question was did these guys overlook our offers, or did we not chase them?

Besides Caracella who is returning home, none of those teams are in the finals. Could it just be a timing issue with us focusing on this season still?

[jeemak]

Besides Caracella who is returning home, none of those teams are in the finals. Could it just be a timing issue with us focusing on this season still?

From what a very well respected poster around these parts anecdotally states, Caracella wouldn't last two seconds at Willy Wonka's place (and the oompa loompas wouldn't even get out of bed to sing a *!*!*!*! off song for him) so I don't want him.

[GVGjr]

Besides Caracella who is returning home, none of those teams are in the finals. Could it just be a timing issue with us focusing on this season still?

None of them were realistic chances to come to us.
FWIW, the speculation is that there will be two coaching changes.

[Twodogs]

Another re-shuffle? Or actual turnover?

Shape changers like in Doctor Who.

Keep it to yourself but we are fairly confident that we have mastered the science.

[bulldogtragic]

Luke Power headed to Carlton it seems. Must not want to be around his brother... :D

[bornadog]

Luke Power headed to Carlton it seems. Must not want to be around his brother... :D

What role?

[bulldogtragic]

What role?

Development coach.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Boyd sure. Morris I would encourage to pursue opportunities at other clubs with a view to bringing him back in a few years.

Our coaching staff is sorely lacking in fresh ideas and perspectives and adding a bloke who has been a part of our club for 14 years does not fix that at all. At least Boyd has had a couple of years at a successful club now, that's the minimum we should be expecting from Morris or any other new coach.

I want Daniel Cross back. Is he still at Melbourne?

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Me too. Roos gets the credit for their better work ethic but we know it was Cross.

[ledge]

Me too. Roos gets the credit for their better work ethic but we know it was Cross.

Their work ethic has been a major problem this year.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Hey I recon that Wosha will be available tomorrow after the Eagles win.

[bornadog]

Hey I recon that Wosha will be available tomorrow after the Eagles win.
No Thanks

[bulldogtragic]

Would be refreshing if a new assistant came in and challenged our ruck strategies...

[Rocket Science]

Would be refreshing if a new assistant came in and challenged our ruck strategies...

That would entail a tete-a-tete with the coach though soooo ... y'know.

[Mantis]

Would be refreshing if a new assistant came in and challenged our ruck strategies...

What could’ve we done differently with the personnel we have? Seriously.

[jeemak]

Our ruck change-up actually helped turn things around a bit in the second.

Having Trengove in would have helped.

[bulldogtragic]

What could’ve we done differently with the personnel we have? Seriously.

I'd like to 'challenge the strategies'. Including list management strategy re rucks (force out Roughy & Campbell without a mature back up coming in), the match committee strategy of who they're selecting and why, what the midfield coach has to say and of course Bevo analysing outside feedback of his strategy. Today we used our AA mids as the second ruck which may have surprised them. Things across the club regarding rucks seems ripe for someone from the outside joining the team and asking me questions as to why. It could validate everything, or show an area we can improve meaningfully. Today at least, I said I would've brought Trengove in for Cordy and that may have helped. Who knows.

[AshMac]

What could’ve we done differently with the personnel we have? Seriously.

I can’t see any better a line up than we went in with today based on what was available. Trengove is too slow and too rattled under pressure to have had an impact. I thought Cordy was excellent in parts of the game, but their forwards are too tall and mobile and their midfield was too physical all game to create any space for us.

I’m not going to suggest the umpiring altered the course of the game, it didn’t, but they let a lot of under play aggression go against us early in the game. The stomach punch on Bont was ridiculous to not be a free kick in a game where a push from Davis was a free kick. It rattled us and we spent time worrying about them rather than playing our game.

[1eyedog]

I can’t see any better a line up than we went in with today based on what was available. Trengove is too slow and too rattled under pressure to have had an impact. I thought Cordy was excellent in parts of the game, but their forwards are too tall and mobile and their midfield was too physical all game to create any space for us.

I’m not going to suggest the umpiring altered the course of the game, it didn’t, but they let a lot of under play aggression go against us early in the game. The stomach punch on Bont was ridiculous to not be a free kick in a game where a push from Davis was a free kick. It rattled us and we spent time worrying about them rather than playing our game.

You're under selling Trengove. English is a poor match-up for Mummy in the ruck. Trengoves real value in the ruck is his stoppage work. He's a big body and has a presence at the contest. I thought he'd play because they are such a good stoppage team and we'd invariably need him against Mumford, which we did.

[FrediKanoute]

You're under selling Trengove. English is a poor match-up for Mummy in the ruck. Trengoves real value in the ruck is his stoppage work. He's a big body and has a presence at the contest. I thought he'd play because they are such a good stoppage team and we'd invariably need him against Mumford, which we did.

I thought English was good v Mummy today.

[jeemak]

I thought English battled well against Mummy and given the cattle we went in with our change up in the ruck was actually good for a while, but would have been even better if we had Trengove coming in above it to add some physicality.

Looking back at how we thought the game was going to pan out I understand why we selected the side we did, but looking back against how it actually panned out I think we could have definitely used Trengove.

Irrespective of all of that, you can only do what the cattle you have is capable of. Our key midfielders were not effective and our periphery wasn't experienced enough to stand up to handle what the Giants dished up to us. Well played, selected to them, they used the talent at their disposal really well.

[AshMac]

You're under selling Trengove. English is a poor match-up for Mummy in the ruck. Trengoves real value in the ruck is his stoppage work. He's a big body and has a presence at the contest. I thought he'd play because they are such a good stoppage team and we'd invariably need him against Mumford, which we did.

Not sure about that.

Agree in the stoppages and center bounces he’d have been a better physical match up but I thought English did well over the course of the day in the hit outs - plus added more around the ground. Trengove I don’t think would have produced anything outside of those ball ups as a ruck and their backs were just too mobile for him.

[meenies]

Trengove could have been used for enforcer duties at centre bouncers and throw ups (to help protect the mids and bash and crash theirs). That is where he could have been used best and what we lacked.

[GVGjr]

It's probably highly unlikely but is there anyway we could bring Monty back as an assistant coach? He seems to have missed his opportunity as a senior coach and might be looking for a return back to Melbourne

[comrade]

It's probably highly unlikely but is there anyway we could bring Monty back as an assistant coach? He seems to have missed his opportunity as a senior coach and might be looking for a return back to Melbourne

How well do he and Bevo get on?

[GVGjr]

How well do he and Bevo get on?

I'm not sure if there was a problem between the two of them or not. I just think Monty's direct style with players would balance nicely with Bevo

[jeemak]

Is Beveridge not a direct person?

[GVGjr]

Is Beveridge not a direct person?

I think he's more of a people person than jumping on things before the become bigger.

[jeemak]

I think he's more of a people person than jumping on things before the become bigger.

Fair enough. I wouldn't know, but from what I see in the media work he's done he it's pretty clear when he wants to get a point across.

[bornadog]

Fair enough. I wouldn't know, but from what I see in the media work he's done he it's pretty clear when he wants to get a point across.

I think you do the right thing by him and he is loyal, but go against him and you are in trouble. Just ask Williams.

[GVGjr]

Fair enough. I wouldn't know, but from what I see in the media work he's done he it's pretty clear when he wants to get a point across.

Don't you think the discipline of the team fell away after the flag for a couple of years? I get that when Bevo has had enough the player needs an almost miracle to get back in his good books but I think we were slow to address some of the distracted players in 2017/18 but we eventually got there.

[jeemak]

Don't you think the discipline of the team fell away after the flag for a couple of years? I get that when Bevo has had enough the player needs an almost miracle to get back in his good books but I think we were slow to address some of the distracted players in 2017/18 but we eventually got there.

Yes I think it most likely it slightly did but I think a lot of that discipline needs to be player driven. The coach is the coach and has to direct, but within the good teams it's the players who hold themselves to the standards set for them.

Over that time we saw Libba dropped and Stringer exited from the club. We also had players like Biggs and Redpath leave the game and Dahlhaus go to the Cats because he was being managed really closely and most likely not enjoying it.

The biggest issue over the last two years has been getting a consistent team on the park and the overall experience of the teams we did field. It's been staring us in the face for a long time, and that we managed to play so well in the second half of this year is a testament to he discipline and efforts of everyone at the club.

I'm not saying we don't need a refresh, I think we most certainly do. Discipline isn't the worry for me, it's how we evolve our game to capitalise on our strengths but be different so we can be more difficult to play against.

[bornadog]

I'm not saying we don't need a refresh, I think we most certainly do. Discipline isn't the worry for me, it's how we evolve our game to capitalise on our strengths but be different so we can be more difficult to play against.

I think every team needs a refresh with new assistants coming in every few years. Hopefully if the rumours are true, we bring in a couple of outsiders.

There is a good reason why Stringer, Redpath, Dahl, Biggs are no longer at the club. Libba was almost one of them.

[GVGjr]

Yes I think it most likely it slightly did but I think a lot of that discipline needs to be player driven. The coach is the coach and has to direct, but within the good teams it's the players who hold themselves to the standards set for them.

Over that time we saw Libba dropped and Stringer exited from the club. We also had players like Biggs and Redpath leave the game and Dahlhaus go to the Cats because he was being managed really closely and most likely not enjoying it.

The biggest issue over the last two years has been getting a consistent team on the park and the overall experience of the teams we did field. It's been staring us in the face for a long time, and that we managed to play so well in the second half of this year is a testament to he discipline and efforts of everyone at the club.

I'm not saying we don't need a refresh, I think we most certainly do. Discipline isn't the worry for me, it's how we evolve our game to capitalise on our strengths but be different so we can be more difficult to play against.

When things were going pear shaped in 2017 and a few of the boys were clearly distracted the one player we took on and made an example of was a rookie. Perhaps we decided to wait until the end of the season to deal with it rather than to create a story in the media and have to deal with it but I think some players found it a fairly distracting.
At the end of the season Bevo called out one of the main problems in Stringer but that wasn't enough.
A year later I think we made the right calls. I don't think discipline is an issue now and yes just bring in some IP from another club would assist but I do like the idea of someone like Monty that has a different approach to the other coaches.
At the end of the day it's probably a long shot suggestion

[bornadog]

When things were going pear shaped in 2017 and a few of the boys were clearly distracted the one player we took on and made an example of was a rookie. Perhaps we decided to wait until the end of the season to deal with it rather than to create a story in the media and have to deal with it but I think some players found it a fairly distracting.
At the end of the season Bevo called out one of the main problems in Stringer but that wasn't enough.
A year later I think we made the right calls. I don't think discipline is an issue now and yes just bring in some IP from another club would assist but I do like the idea of someone like Monty that has a different approach to the other coaches.
At the end of the day it's probably a long shot suggestion

Monty left suddenly and didn't even wait for the finals. I can only surmise there were issues between him and the other coaches.

[jeemak]

Which rookie did we discipline in 2017?

[GVGjr]

Which rookie did we discipline in 2017?

Goetz

[jeemak]

Monty left suddenly and didn't even wait for the finals. I can only surmise there were issues between him and the other coaches.

Didn't he leave because he wanted to pursue senior coaching options and it was thought it would be a distraction for him to stay? Or is that just the official version?

[jeemak]

Goetz

That was 2016.

[bornadog]

Didn't he leave because he wanted to pursue senior coaching options and it was thought it would be a distraction for him to stay? Or is that just the official version?

That may be true, but don't you think he would stay for the finals then leave?

[GVGjr]

Monty left suddenly and didn't even wait for the finals. I can only surmise there were issues between him and the other coaches.

It's an interesting observation if correct. In the year we won the flag there was apparently some friction among the coaches as you suggest but the following two years we lacked a bit of discipline withing the playing group.
Perhaps sometimes challenging the status quo can be a positive.

[GVGjr]

That was 2016.

Thanks, got it wrong. From memory it was Monty that called him out

[1eyedog]

Not sure about that.

Agree in the stoppages and center bounces he’d have been a better physical match up but I thought English did well over the course of the day in the hit outs - plus added more around the ground. Trengove I don’t think would have produced anything outside of those ball ups as a ruck and their backs were just too mobile for him.

Forget hit outs and work around the ground I'm talking about repeat stoppages. English was ineffective in a contested sutuation at the stoppage and that's where we were killed. JT is miles better at throwing his weight around and protecting his mids / making opposition clearances a more difficult prospect.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we needed harder bodies at the contest and unfortunately we didn't play JT because we underestimated GWS pressure. Obviously Dicko, Wally and Libby are all injured.

[1eyedog]

I actually would have liked to have played English forward and JT in the ruck as soon as we realised we were getting smashed there (midway thought the first?) Unfortunately we just didn't have that option.

As soon as English went forward we started to turn the tide. We just needed JT in there rather than relying on our mids in the ruck.

[azabob]

A few posters think we are lacking that harder edge within our assistant coaching ranks. I also agree with this assessment.

A Yang to Bevo's Yin if you like. This role has been missing since Montgomery departed.

Now the option I am about to suggest will be a very very very unpopular suggestion but I figure i'll suggest it anyway.

Brendan Goddard has been out of the game for one year. I listen to him on RSN radio a couple of times a week and on ABC radio. For the first few weeks I didn't like him mainly because of his on field antics.
However once I put my biases aside I am very impressed with his analysis and understanding of today's game, he also is a student of the game.

Clearly he is a driven individual and demands 100% of his teammates / players -However he probably needs to work on how he delivers his messages.

Now I have no idea if he wants to head down the assistant coaching path but for mine he'd be well worth a conversation with.

[GVGjr]

I don't mind the suggestion Aza but even if Goddard is on a coaching path I think it's more about having a strong 2IC alongside of Bevo

I was told a few weeks back to expect 2 changes to our coaching team but nothing has eventuated so far.

I think Goddard has some very good credentials to be an assistant coach

[Bullies]

A few posters think we are lacking that harder edge within our assistant coaching ranks. I also agree with this assessment.

A Yang to Bevo's Yin if you like. This role has been missing since Montgomery departed.

Now the option I am about to suggest will be a very very very unpopular suggestion but I figure i'll suggest it anyway.

Brendan Goddard has been out of the game for one year. I listen to him on RSN radio a couple of times a week and on ABC radio. For the first few weeks I didn't like him mainly because of his on field antics.
However once I put my biases aside I am very impressed with his analysis and understanding of today's game, he also is a student of the game.

Clearly he is a driven individual and demands 100% of his teammates / players -However he probably needs to work on how he delivers his messages.

Now I have no idea if he wants to head down the assistant coaching path but for mine he'd be well worth a conversation with. Goddard is very good on ABC Grandstand I too was surprised how good has been considering he wasn't a favorite on the field.

Would make an excellent assistant as make a lot of sense.

[Go_Dogs]

Luke Beveridge – senior coach
Steven King – senior assistant coach (opposition, training and strategy)
Rohan Smith – assistant coach (defensive systems and backs)
Jordan Russell – assistant coach (midfield)
Joel Corey – assistant coach (stoppages and set plays)
Ash Hansen – assistant coach (offensive systems and forwards)
Daniel Giansiracusa – VFL head coach
Jamie Maddocks – development manager
Dale Morris – development coach

[azabob]

Being reported Steven King has taken the Gold Coast senior assistant coaching job.

[Grantysghost]

Being reported Steven King has taken the Gold Coast senior coaching job.

Replacing Dew?

[bulldogtragic]

Being reported Steven King has taken the Gold Coast senior coaching job.

Best we find a new good senior assistant. On the face of it, I like Sanderson.

Hopefully he leaves as a two time assistant with us.

[azabob]

Replacing Dew?

Sorry mate. No. Edited

[Grantysghost]

Sorry mate. No. Edited

Taking the Francou role.
Nice to see someone from our side coveted...!

Wonder who we get to replace.

[The Underdog]

Taking the Francou role.
Nice to see someone from our side coveted...!

Wonder who we get to replace.

Scarlett come back?

[azabob]

Scarlett come back?

Or do we approach Adam Kingsley and give him experience at another club and let him work on what is holding him back from getting the top job?

[azabob]

Scarlett come back?

Was it him or Mooney who said we’d never win a flag after we sacked BMAC?

[GVGjr]

Scarlett come back?

Scarlett is apparently off to Carlton

[Mofra]

... or do we find an assistant coach for our defensive group (and who will work closely with Sam Darcy).
Someone who has Premiership experience.
Someone who got every ounce out of himself during his career.

Knowing Matty Boyd is unavailable, do we consider Glove?

[The Underdog]

Scarlett is apparently off to Carlton

Makes sense

[GVGjr]

... or do we find an assistant coach for our defensive group (and who will work closely with Sam Darcy).
Someone who has Premiership experience.
Someone who got every ounce out of himself during his career.

Knowing Matty Boyd is unavailable, do we consider Glove?

I'm not sure on Morris, he seems to have been perfect for the development role and after a year as a coterie manager a move to an assistants role might be a bigger step for him.WE all of course learned to never write him off.

[Hotdog60]

What's Monty up to can we mend bridges

[azabob]

What's Monty up to can we mend bridges

He is at Port.

Bevo would have to instigate it.

I would be happy for him to come back

[bulldogtragic]

Looking at Sanderson,

Played at Adelaide, Collingwood & Geelong

Assistant at Port Adelaide
Assistant at Geelong (during premiership years)
Head Coach at Adelaide (39 wins, 30 losses)
Head Coach AFL Academy (would know many if our players from that time)
Senior Assistant Coach at Collingwood (GF in 2018)

A lot of time at numerous clubs, plus the development role with the AFEL academy. Premiership experience. I’d have him on the shortlist.

[azabob]

Sanderson, Kingsley, Monty and who else?

[bulldogtragic]

Sanderson, Kingsley, Monty and who else?

Unlikely Nathan Buckley. I’d leave Gia to pursue a head coach elsewhere and stay at Essendon.

But clubs have been busy signing them up, hopefully we have too and just not made it public.

I like Sanderson’s CV.

[Happy Days]

Lets just get some guy. It’ll turn out they’re good anyway.

[Mofra]

Let's get a Rioli. Most flag teams have one tucked away somewhere.

[GVGjr]

What's Monty up to can we mend bridges

Is there a bridge to mend?

[GVGjr]

Sanderson, Kingsley, Monty and who else?

3 great nominations. For whatever reason I doubt we would land any of them.

[Hotdog60]

Is there a bridge to mend?

Maybe not, but Monty may have had his nose out of joint when he didn't get the nod for the coaching job.

[GVGjr]

Maybe not, but Monty may have had his nose out of joint when he didn't get the nod for the coaching job.

I didn't think he departed on bad terms with us but having said that I'd be surprised if he returned to us.
I like the fact that he demands high standards from players and that he has a reputation of addressing things quickly.

[Vred]

I know our assistance coaches are contracted, but pay them out and bring in some fresh eyes and ideas, need to change things up at not have a repeat of tonight ever again

[Vred]

Steven King moving to the Suns next season according to Sam Edmund

[comrade]

Steven King moving to the Suns next season according to Sam Edmund

Good luck to him.

[Grantysghost]

Good luck to him.

Yeah BYE!

[angelopetraglia]

We need to bring in some strong IP from other clubs and some new ideas. When was the last time a high profile assistant from another club crossed to us?

[Vred]

We need to bring in some strong IP from other clubs and some new ideas. When was the last time a high profile assistant from another club crossed to us?


Before Bevo..
King came in 2011
Smith in 2012
and Hansen in 2013

Bevo has never really picked his own assistants, just kept what was there when he came in..

[soupman]

We are really good and a lot of that I think has come from how much we value our club as a tight knit group and reward loyalty and the like. I'd expect minimal changes, and despite wanting a refresh of our assistants for some time I think if we can bring in two important coaches into the mix then that would be sufficient and strike a good balance of old and new.

[angelopetraglia]

Before Bevo..
King came in 2011
Smith in 2012
and Hansen in 2013

Bevo has never really picked his own assistants, just kept what was there when he came in..

That is really unbelievable. We desperately need some new senior assistants. For me this has to be our number one priority.

Look at Melbourne. They brought in Mark Williams and Adam Yze. Brought in Alan Richardson as GM of Football Performance. All in one year and looked what happened.

[GVGjr]

Before Bevo..
King came in 2011
Smith in 2012
and Hansen in 2013

Bevo has never really picked his own assistants, just kept what was there when he came in..

Which is a credit to him because the he's got us to finals and 2 GF's as well. Clearly there is teamwork among our coaches and they're developing along the way. Hansen will start getting sounded out for senior spots as well and I'd love to keep him at the club.

[GVGjr]

That is really unbelievable. We desperately need some new senior assistants. For me this has to be our number one priority.

Look at Melbourne. They brought in Mark Williams and Adam Yze. Brought in Alan Richardson as GM of Football Performance. All in one year and looked what happened.

I think it highlights that bringing in quality coaches can really help..mind you a healthy list and good recruiting plays a big part as well.