WB Game Day V West Coast R11 2019

[GVGjr]

We have been cutting on average about 10 players per year, how much can one cut?

How many players left from the premiership list?

By saying the list isn't good enough haven't you answered your own question?

Player development is a far better focus than using injuries and inexperience as the primary excuses

[merantau]

We promised a lot in the first half but turned it in in the second - badly. Our skill level, even in the first half, was poor. Really poor handling, and errant hand and foot passes often meant the receiver kicked under pressure. The second half was truly ordinary. You would like to think the team would come out FIRING but instead we conceded two quick goals to be four goals down. Five minutes later it was game over and season over I'm afraid.
We have too many passengers, too many players down on form and not enough quality waiting in the wings. I am afraid that spells TROUBLE.
I hope I'm wrong but I can't see us winning any more than another 4 games this year.
Dale, Lipinski, Gowers, Young and Williams will struggle to become established players. Of those who played in 2016 Wood, McLean, JJ Roberts and Dickson have dropped away. Of those who have come in Lloyd has been serviceable
The shining lights are Smith and Naughton and English who will be a very good player. He still has a lot a learn and needs to be stronger. I was hopeful that Lewis Young will establish himself and I have not given up on him.
Of those in the VFL Sachce needs to be given a decent run at it and so does Lin Jong who at times has shown a bit and he does go at the ball 100% . I feel very frustrated with the way we have played these last two and a half years. We have regressed badly. Our best is good enough but we can rarely sustain it and we are terribly easy to score against

[Sedat]

All well and good, but what is the solution right now?
Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

[merantau]

Another shining light that I failed yo mention is Josh Dunckley. He is having a very good year.

[DOG GOD]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

Totally agree Sedat. English looks best when he’s linking up. His skill level is very good for his height. He’s proved he can play fwd. we need a guy who can out body opposing ruckman, and Trengove certainly uses his body.

I’ve wanted English to be our #1, but the more I see him, the less I see him as that player. We screwed Tom Boyd. Let’s not do the same with English.

[merantau]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

I absolutely agree with this. Trengove may as well not have been out there today but English cannot play back so we needed another tall defender in. Lewis Young is the only one I can think of.

[Danjul]

I absolutely agree with this. Trengove may as well not have been out there today but English cannot play back so we needed another tall defender in. Lewis Young is the only one I can think of.

???? I thought Trengove did a good job keeping Kennedy to 9 possessions.

The fact that Kennedy got 3 goals is only a surprise because everyone would expect more. That’s what champions do.

The eagles had 2 strong experienced power forwards who kicked 9 goals. We kicked 10.

All top teams prioritise key forwards, the Dogs haven’t for years.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

Trengrove into the ruck and English up forward makes a lot of sense. Would prefer to see Naughton and Lew Young tried as our key defenders and use Cordy as our third tall defender. This would mean using Schache at CHF with English as the other key forward in an attempt to consolidate our key backs and forwards. Our defence has had 20 goals on average kicked against it in the past 3 games and believe that Naughton would strengthen a weakness down back at the moment.

[bornadog]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

Who plays fullback on the gorilla's?

[merantau]

???? I thought Trengove did a good job keeping Kennedy to 9 possessions.

The fact that Kennedy got 3 goals is only a surprise because everyone would expect more. That’s what champions do.

The eagles had 2 strong experienced power forwards who kicked 9 goals. We kicked 10.

All top teams prioritise key forwards, the Dogs haven’t for years.

Well that is true Kennedy had only nine possessions but I don't think that was because Trengove had a good game on him. I CANNOT remember one instance of Trengove generating anything out of defence. I do remember him gifting Kennedy a goal when he was 8 mts off him and a scrubby kick came in and Kennedy took an easy chest mark. That is not good enough from an experienced player. I think he goes well in the ruck and would be happy to see him in that role. Letting Roughie go is starting to look like a major blunder.

[jeemak]

Who plays fullback on the gorilla's?

Who are the gorillas? To me that's the point, they don't really exist anymore.

All of the really strong players in the comp, apart from the odd resting rucks are really quick. Defenders evolve as forwards evolve, not the other way around.

If we want to stop strong quick forwards having an impact then we need to fix our issues up the ground to slow play down when we don't have it, like other teams do against us. That way we can actually have two players hitting the oppositions best forwards in a contest rather than relying on one on ones.

Just check out the way we defended in 2016. It wasn't because we had amazing key defenders, on the contrary, they were a motley bunch of triers. It was because everything up the ground was almost perfect enough to allow our defenders to help each other, and this is something we haven't seen this year.

[bornadog]

Who are the gorillas? To me that's the point, they don't really exist anymore.

Ok, let me describe them as tall players that can play.

Assuming Trengove rucks, who plays on Kennedy, Cox, Buddy, Cameron, Dixon, Hawkins, Hipwood, Lynch, Hogan, Daniher (when fit), Bruce, Brown, Wight and Mckay?

[G-Mo77]

Letting Roughie go is starting to look like a major blunder.

It was always a blunder. We needed to keep 1 of either him or Campbell and we gave them away. Boyd, if was actually fit in mind was not healthy in body and was a long way off. English is just a kid learning. Why were both so expendable? I'm kind of happy we got an egg right between the eyes with the way Roughy is playing right now. We should never have thrown him away like garbage.

[Ghost Dog]

Who are the gorillas? To me that's the point, they don't really exist anymore.

All of the really strong players in the comp, apart from the odd resting rucks are really quick. Defenders evolve as forwards evolve, not the other way around.

If we want to stop strong quick forwards having an impact then we need to fix our issues up the ground to slow play down when we don't have it, like other teams do against us. That way we can actually have two players hitting the oppositions best forwards in a contest rather than relying on one on ones.

Just check out the way we defended in 2016. It wasn't because we had amazing key defenders, on the contrary, they were a motley bunch of triers. It was because everything up the ground was almost perfect enough to allow our defenders to help each other, and this is something we haven't seen this year.

Dale Morris is a bit more than a trier. He has negated some of the great players in recent history. I see your point and we need to fix the midfield, but sometimes you just cannot stop the flow. We can't always have it on those terms. And on those days, who are you going to call on? Morris has a history of negating Riewoldt, Buddy, dangerous players who are not quick. ( Patton, Cox, loads of KPF players in recent history who are slow ). Zaine Cordy doesn't have the strength. There will always be the occasional need for a strong, tall-playing defender, a player like Morris, Roughy, or Trengrove.

[Rocket Science]

Our tale of talls since the end of last season's been quite the wild ride.

Roughy? ... There's the door mate.
TC? ... Are you still here? Follow him.
Adams? ... Sure, we'll drive you to the airport.
Morris? ... You've done your what again?
Boyd? ... Sigh. All the best son.
Schache? ... Have a spell. But try harder, or something.
Roberts? ... Fine, up you come. Oh that's right, back you go.
Gardner? ... Because nothing says everything's fine like drafting a trier then immediately handing him a guernsey. Against the, you know, premiers.

[Mofra]

Our tale of talls since the end of last season's been quite the wild ride.

Roughy? ... There's the door mate.
TC? ... Are you still here? Follow him.
Adams? ... Sure, we'll drive you to the airport.
Morris? ... You've done your what again?
Boyd? ... Sigh. All the best son.
Schache? ... Have a spell. But try harder, or something.
Roberts? ... Fine, up you come. Oh that's right, back you go.
Gardner? ... Because nothing says everything's fine like drafting a trier then immediately handing him a guernsey. Against the, you know, premiers.
You missed a couple.

Naughton: You've spent all pre-season in defence, um, try forward. Shit, you're actually good!
Trengove: Ok you've spent all pre-season as a ruck. Enjoy the VFL. Oh, um, he's your promotion now go to defence.
Young La: Ok you're skinny, raw, and... wait you can actually play. Here's soem senior gametime.
Young Le: Now you're a utility son, enjoy the ride.

[bornadog]

Our tale of talls since the end of last season's been quite the wild ride.

Roughy? ... There's the door mate.
TC? ... Are you still here? Follow him.
Adams? ... Sure, we'll drive you to the airport.
Morris? ... You've done your what again?
Boyd? ... Sigh. All the best son.
Schache? ... Have a spell. But try harder, or something.
Roberts? ... Fine, up you come. Oh that's right, back you go.
Gardner? ... Because nothing says everything's fine like drafting a trier then immediately handing him a guernsey. Against the, you know, premiers.

OR

Roughy - Can't ruck, third man up hid his deficiency. Backline, well Pies have Darcy as the main man, plus a very good mature defence that helps him.
TC - not good enough
Adams- constantly injured never on the park anyway
Morris - yeah injured, too short for the modern game as a tall anyway
Boyd - unfortunate mental breakdown, not clubs fault
Schache - needs to do more, still learning the game
Roberts - too slow
Gardner - well last man standing

Lew Young - again learning the game.

[Twodogs]

Did anyone else notice that Gardner started the game on the wing?

Bevo must read WOOF and was feeling in a playful mood...

[Danjul]

OR

Roughy - Can't ruck, third man up hid his deficiency. Backline, well Pies have Darcy as the main man, plus a very good mature defence that helps him.
TC - not good enough
Adams- constantly injured never on the park anyway
Morris - yeah injured, too short for the modern game as a tall anyway
Boyd - unfortunate mental breakdown, not clubs fault
Schache - needs to do more, still learning the game
Roberts - too slow
Gardner - well last man standing

Lew Young - again learning the game.

how many more years will it take for Lewis Young and Schache to learn the game, 90% of which amounts to get the ball and kick the ball.

And Roughead was a good fullback before he was turned into a poor ruckman, because the better ruckman couldn’t run like a midfielder.

[bornadog]

how many more years will it take for Lewis Young and Schache to learn the game, 90% of which amounts to get the ball and kick the ball.
And Roughead was a good fullback before he was turned into a poor ruckman, because the better ruckman couldn’t run like a midfielder.

How long have you been following footy? You know that talls take longer to mature - Young is 20 years old and Schache 21 and both have not played 50 games yet. (11 and 44)

Roughead was never a good Fullback with us.

[Danjul]

How long have you been following footy? You know that talls take longer to mature - Young is 20 years old and Schache 21 and both have not played 50 games yet. (11 and 44)

Roughead was never a good Fullback with us.

Young got 20 possessions and 9 marks in his first game. Obvious talent and should have had a lot more games in the last 2 years. He is being remoulded, not developed.

Schache kicked goals regularly at the end of last season and was a match winner against Hawthorn. what is he learning in the vfl? Nothing.

Interesting that we have seen both used in the ruck, no wonder they cannot perfect their craft.

back in the previous era a lot of people thought Roughead was going to be a good full back. Nobody ever thought he was a ruckman.

At Collingwood he has gone back to what he does best. And he is doing it better than anybody we can put on the field.

We don’t need a team of champions, a champion team would be a massive improvement.

[Eastdog]

Right now.

Points for we are 9th with 888
Points against we are 17th with 1001

Been awful defensively in particular these last few weeks.

[Danjul]

Right now.

Points for we are 9th with 888
Points against we are 17th with 1001

Been awful defensively in particular these last few weeks.

how many of the 380 points kicked against us in the last 3 weeks were generated on our backline? Not that many.

Yesterday the eagles got about 70 from stoppages.

yes, the backline can improve but that is only part of the solution. The team selection ( playing positions), the game strategy and the forward craft all must be improved too.

Against Carlton last time all were disastrous.

[mjp]

how many of the 380 points kicked against us in the last 3 weeks were generated on our backline? Not that many.

Yesterday the eagles got about 70 from stoppages.

yes, the backline can improve but that is only part of the solution.

Where did eastdog say it was about the backline? He said we were terrible DEFENSIVELY. Defending starts at full-forward.

As soon as I watched our forwards leave Hurn and McGovern in the first quarter to LEAD for the ball, I knew we were doomed. You have to play against those blokes with an elbow in there BACK. AT ALL TIMES. For some reason, things like this - like going into the game with a defensive mindset (but a positive attitude) is completely lost on us. Yes - they scored from stoppages. Of course they did. Because our mids make zero effort to account for a player - we have an arm on them, the ball goes in the air, our blokes forget their opponent and get magnetised by the ball and some 'plan' they have to win it...WRONG ATTITUDE.

Forward craft? Give me a spell. We didn't need forward craft. We needed a bit of focus on the defensive side of the game. Allowing West Coast to kick 14 goals in a half is an absolute joke...

I tell you one thing - if we have kept them to 10x scoring shots in the second half we would have had a chance to win no matter how bad our forward craft was. Letting them kick 14? The '89 Cat's couldn't have run them down.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Hi4GZUcAAJv20.jpg

[Danjul]

Forward craft? Give me a spell. We didn't need forward craft. We needed a bit of focus on the defensive side of the game. Allowing West Coast to kick 14 goals in a half is an absolute joke.

in the second half West Coast, who is a much stronger and better team, had 18 shots at goal for 14 goals.

in the first half we had 14 shots at goal for 4 goals.

with that sort of forward work we will never win, because our game plan for their kick out allows the opposition to run the ball effortlessly into their forward line 9 or 10 times.

[GVGjr]

Ok, let me describe them as tall players that can play.

Assuming Trengove rucks, who plays on Kennedy, Cox, Buddy, Cameron, Dixon, Hawkins, Hipwood, Lynch, Hogan, Daniher (when fit), Bruce, Brown, Wight and Mckay?

I think the original plan was Naughton but with Boyd on a LTIL and no replacement sought for him Naughty was sent forward which worked.
It just screams that we are lacking in KP depth. It makes you wonder why we didn't try and replace Adams?

[mjp]

in the second half West Coast, who is a much stronger and better team, had 18 shots at goal for 14 goals.

in the first half we had 14 shots at goal for 4 goals.

with that sort of forward work we will never win, because our game plan for their kick out allows the opposition to run the ball effortlessly into their forward line 9 or 10 times.

...Which is a DEFENSIVE PROBLEM.

Points are going to be kicked. We missed some absolute sodas yesterday...that isn't forward 'craft' - it's just missing goals. It does happen. It shouldn't happen as often as it does to our team, but it has happened since the game was first played.

Our reaction to that and commitment to make sure we get the ball back is PUTRID. Other teams kick a point and think '7-point play'...why isn't that our attitude???

[Hotdog60]

In hindsight which is a wonderful thing we should have drop Naughty back to defence after the first couple of minutes in the 3rd.
Not that it would have probably made much difference.
I found Hunter annoying again on the weekend. When he needs to move it on he holds on to it and looks to much down the line instead of a short option in the middle. If moved quickly players are free and made the move early to get separation.
But I saying that he would most likely lollipop it to them and take away any advantage.

[comrade]

I found Hunter annoying again on the weekend. When he needs to move it on he holds on to it and looks to much down the line instead of a short option in the middle. If moved quickly players are free and made the move early to get separation.
But I saying that he would most likely lollipop it to them and take away any advantage.

He's the master of the U-Turn.

[FrediKanoute]

Only watched the 1st half whcih I though was really good aside from the latter part of the 2nd. That said we had to work hard for our goals and a number of the behinds in the first half were rushed. I can't help but wonder though that if we are 10 goals 4 behinds at half time instead of 4/10 whether that would have swung the result our way.

I agree that defensively we dont and haven't been playing a team defense game and our forwards and mids are lazy when it comes to running the other way and putting pressure on the ball carrier, but kicking for goal and putting scoreboard pressure helps with this and we failed in the first half t exert this.

Didn't watch the 2nd half of the game so can't comment.

[Ghost Dog]

Only watched the 1st half whcih I though was really good aside from the latter part of the 2nd. That said we had to work hard for our goals and a number of the behinds in the first half were rushed. I can't help but wonder though that if we are 10 goals 4 behinds at half time instead of 4/10 whether that would have swung the result our way.

I agree that defensively we dont and haven't been playing a team defense game and our forwards and mids are lazy when it comes to running the other way and putting pressure on the ball carrier, but kicking for goal and putting scoreboard pressure helps with this and we failed in the first half t exert this.

Didn't watch the 2nd half of the game so can't comment.

Lazy or poor coaching / lack of motivation? I find it hard to believe that Bont, Jack, and other midfielders who played out of their skins in 2016 are lazy. They are highly trained sportsmen and they know what to do, or should. Methinks there might be a chance they are sulking about something.

[G-Mo77]

Lazy or poor coaching / lack of motivation? I find it hard to believe that Bont, Jack, and other midfielders who played out of their skins in 2016 are lazy. They are highly trained sportsmen and they know what to do, or should. Methinks there might be a chance they are sulking about something.

Sulking? If so or anyone else for that matter is, maybe they should think about all the hard earnt dollars every member has wasted on this club.

[GVGjr]

Sulking? If so or anyone else for that matter is, maybe they should think about all the hard earnt dollars every member has wasted on this club.

Do you really feel that way? That's never been even a second thought for me and we've been through vastly harder tests than this
I think most of the players have a respect for the fans who turn up at games and support the club.

[Ghost Dog]

Do you really feel that way? That's never been even a second thought for me and we've been through vastly harder tests than this
I think most of the players have a respect for the fans who turn up at games and support the club.

Sulking is a poor word on my part. Just not feeling it as a group. Very young people, and so much is expected of them.

[1eyedog]

I think football players see fans as byproducts of the theatre. They are respectful when they need to be because they are made to understand the value of the membership dollar. There are exceptions, Murphy for instance.

[mjp]

Sulking is a poor word on my part. Just not feeling it as a group. Very young people, and so much is expected of them.

If they aren't sulking then some of them sure look like it...I don't mind the word.

The sentiment about membership $ I don't agree with - that isn't and shouldn't be the players concern - but it is hard watching them (seemingly) go through the motions at the moment. I think if they did a faces in the crowd exercise at the moment they would not be happy at the actions they needed to describe.

[Ghost Dog]

Well a punch in the head to the AFL. Christ on a bike, we have 50 thousand cameras at the ground, and the vision from the TV station can't be feed through to score review because of a 'Technicality' . Turn on your TV you bunch of....
"We will continue to educate...." I just hate that they act all high and mighty and stuff up the most simple things.


If they aren't sulking then some of them sure look like it...I don't mind the word.

The sentiment about membership $ I don't agree with - that isn't and shouldn't be the players concern - but it is hard watching them (seemingly) go through the motions at the moment. I think if they did a faces in the crowd exercise at the moment they would not be happy at the actions they needed to describe.

It's not surprising we lost, but letting them humiliate us was.
But what are you supposed to say? ' that was disappointing', I believe is the term these days.
F**** Filthy!!! is what you used to be able to say.

[Bulldog4life]

I think the original plan was Naughton but with Boyd on a LTIL and no replacement sought for him Naughty was sent forward which worked.
It just screams that we are lacking in KP depth. It makes you wonder why we didn't try and replace Adams?

This was my main concern before the season began.

[G-Mo77]

Do you really feel that way? That's never been even a second thought for me and we've been through vastly harder tests than this
I think most of the players have a respect for the fans who turn up at games and support the club.

Not really, I'm a member for life and it starts automatically each year. I'll be honest though driving down to watch them and waste additional money on petrol, parking, food etc and also my time on the road certainly comes into play now.

[Happy Days]

If they aren't sulking then some of them sure look like it...I don't mind the word.

The sentiment about membership $ I don't agree with - that isn't and shouldn't be the players concern - but it is hard watching them (seemingly) go through the motions at the moment. I think if they did a faces in the crowd exercise at the moment they would not be happy at the actions they needed to describe.

You've called out Macrae a few times now - what is it you're seeing in his game that makes you think he's sulking? I sorta saw it against Carlton, but I think its more a combination of his role being necessarily smaller having to play away from the ball, an unfamiliarity with how to play the position, and an allergy to having shots on goal (therefore placing a hard ceiling on any impact i50) that is subduing him more than poor attitude/application.

(I'm genuinely asking btw - feel like that can get lost at times)

[mjp]

You've called out Macrae a few times now - what is it you're seeing in his game that makes you think he's sulking?
(I'm genuinely asking btw - feel like that can get lost at times)

It's because I think he is our BEST PLAYER that I keep calling him out. He can pretty much do anything on a footy field and his want for the footy - screaming for it from his team-mates from 50m+ away as a junior - is legendary. Now he seems to be going through the motions.

It is hard to define and describe I guess but when I watch him play, I don't see the Macrae of last year who was ready to hunt the footy at every opportunity...he has his head down ALL THE TIME - just doesn't look happy. I don't have the same 'body language police' concerns about McLean because even though his impact has been down he always 'looks' like he is having a go and trying to get involved. There was one situation on the weekend in (I think) the last quarter when the ball rolled ob in front of Jackson and he almost seemed relieved...

How do you define body language as good or bad? I don't know. He is a leader though and his body language is bad. To me, there are a lot worse places to be playing footy than in the forward line of a team that is ranked (or was before the weekend) 6th for scoring/inside 50's...hell, worst case you might kick a few goals and add a couple of zeros onto your free agency contract/get another couple of years at the end of your career because someone thinks you might be able to 'go forward like gazza'.

[Mofra]

This was my main concern before the season began.
The cub seemed to know Boyd was unlikely to play this year, but I'm sure the expectation was that Schache would continue to at least be part of our best 22.
Naughton is fantastic forward even if he's not always getting the rewards for it on the stats sheet. I do believe we asked the question about some opposition talls? I agree we need depth in this area, even if it's a cheap pick up in the Sam Day mould.

[Rocket Science]

It's because I think he is our BEST PLAYER that I keep calling him out. He can pretty much do anything on a footy field and his want for the footy - screaming for it from his team-mates from 50m+ away as a junior - is legendary. Now he seems to be going through the motions.

It is hard to define and describe I guess but when I watch him play, I don't see the Macrae of last year who was ready to hunt the footy at every opportunity...he has his head down ALL THE TIME - just doesn't look happy. I don't have the same 'body language police' concerns about McLean because even though his impact has been down he always 'looks' like he is having a go and trying to get involved. There was one situation on the weekend in (I think) the last quarter when the ball rolled ob in front of Jackson and he almost seemed relieved...

How do you define body language as good or bad? I don't know. He is a leader though and his body language is bad. To me, there are a lot worse places to be playing footy than in the forward line of a team that is ranked (or was before the weekend) 6th for scoring/inside 50's...hell, worst case you might kick a few goals and add a couple of zeros onto your free agency contract/get another couple of years at the end of your career because someone thinks you might be able to 'go forward like gazza'.

While not disputing we need more from Jacko at the moment - among many others - given his extended record as a tireless contributor almost without peer, the fact the likes of him are seemingly dropping their heads sets off certain alarm bells.

[bornadog]

It's because I think he is our BEST PLAYER that I keep calling him out. He can pretty much do anything on a footy field and his want for the footy - screaming for it from his team-mates from 50m+ away as a junior - is legendary. Now he seems to be going through the motions.

It is hard to define and describe I guess but when I watch him play, I don't see the Macrae of last year who was ready to hunt the footy at every opportunity...he has his head down ALL THE TIME - just doesn't look happy. I don't have the same 'body language police' concerns about McLean because even though his impact has been down he always 'looks' like he is having a go and trying to get involved. There was one situation on the weekend in (I think) the last quarter when the ball rolled ob in front of Jackson and he almost seemed relieved...

How do you define body language as good or bad? I don't know. He is a leader though and his body language is bad. To me, there are a lot worse places to be playing footy than in the forward line of a team that is ranked (or was before the weekend) 6th for scoring/inside 50's...hell, worst case you might kick a few goals and add a couple of zeros onto your free agency contract/get another couple of years at the end of your career because someone thinks you might be able to 'go forward like gazza'.

I think he has only been down the past two weeks and it just happens we recorded our lowest inside 50's with 49 and 46, whereas we were averaging almost 60.