Player Contract Status

[GVGjr]

If Hunter leaves, can JJ play wing?

Good suggestion.

[bulldogtragic]

Say for argument sake Jones, Lobb, another trade, 4 picks = 7 spots need open

So JJ stays.

7:

1. Dunkley
2. Hunter?
3. Schache?
4. Butler?
5. Delist Martin move him to rookie list if he needs to be given a contract?

6 & 7…. Cordy? Wallis? Duryea?

[bornadog]

Say for argument sake Jones, Lobb, another trade, 4 picks = 7 spots need open

So JJ stays.

7:

1. Dunkley
2. Hunter?
3. Schache?
4. Butler?
5. Delist Martin move him to rookie list if he needs to be given a contract?

6 & 7…. Cordy? Wallis? Duryea?

Rumoured Crozier wants more opportunity somewhere

[hujsh]

I'm kinda glad JJ is staying. Hate to see home grown rookies who made it big with us leave. Probably means he's on a salary that better matches his current output. He still offers enough to be best 22. If he can play a wing role that'd be great. Not certain he can but hey I'm rooting for him.

[angelopetraglia]

JJ has assets that are rare and you can't teach. Speed and the ability for repeated sprint efforts which isn't something that our team does not have a lot of. I also thought that when it really mattered against Brisbane and Port in the finals last year he did a few things that were special that others could not have brought. He still has an X-Factor if his body is 100%.

Happy to see him sign on for a couple of more years.

[Axe Man]

Say for argument sake Jones, Lobb, another trade, 4 picks = 7 spots need open

So JJ stays.

7:

1. Dunkley
2. Hunter?
3. Schache?
4. Butler?
5. Delist Martin move him to rookie list if he needs to be given a contract?

6 & 7…. Cordy? Wallis? Duryea?

The rookie list is full, we would have to delist Parker to open a spot (or trade a contracted rookie).

[hujsh]

Rumoured Crozier wants more opportunity somewhere

I doubt he finds it. I'm sure we'd help him if he did

[Axe Man]

The rookie list is full, we would have to delist Parker to open a spot (or trade a contracted rookie).

Otherwise upgrade a rookie to the primary list but that doesn't help in opening a list spot.

[bulldogtragic]

The rookie list is full, we would have to delist Parker to open a spot (or trade a contracted rookie).

Could all Wallis, Cordy & Duryea go then?

It’s looking very, very tight.

[bornadog]

The rookie list is full, we would have to delist Parker to open a spot (or trade a contracted rookie).
surely Martin retires

[Axe Man]

Some snippets from an AFL.com article:


Geelong captain Joel Selwood is still considering his future, but fellow veterans Tom Hawkins and Isaac Smith are set to play on, while Western Bulldogs ruckman Stef Martin is another weighing up retirement.

Gold Coast has tabled an offer to veteran forward Levi Casboult, as have the Bulldogs to Taylor Duryea and Zaine Cordy

Link (https://www.afl.com.au/news/852144/lions-look-into-sun-cat-set-to-depart-gold-coast-go-berry-picking)

[F'scary]

Some snippets from an AFL.com article:

... Western Bulldogs ruckman Stef Martin is another weighing up retirement.



Link (https://www.afl.com.au/news/852144/lions-look-into-sun-cat-set-to-depart-gold-coast-go-berry-picking)

what is there for him to weigh up? He was totally cooked in 2022. What does he want? To go out as burnt offerings?

[azabob]

what is there for him to weigh up? He was totally cooked in 2022. What does he want? To go out as burnt offerings?

Surely if he wants to go on, the club say no thanks.

[Eastdog]

Yep Martin getting on now. It would be the time to let him go.

[Axe Man]

Kylie Watson-Wheeler announced the re-signings of Duryea and Keath in her B&F speech last night.

[hujsh]

Kylie Watson-Wheeler announced the re-signings of Duryea and Keath in her B&F speech last night.

She'd have to exist for that to be true and I've been told on WOOF that she does not.

[bulldogtragic]

Kylie Watson-Wheeler announced the re-signings of Duryea and Keath in her B&F speech last night.

Bloody hell it’s getting tight.

Assuming 3 trades/fa, minimum 3 drafted = 6 out (I’d prefer 4 draft picks)

1. Dunkley
2. Hunter?

Josh Schache
Louis Butler
Zaine Cordy (offered contract?)
Mitch Wallis (read Bevo is happy to have him next year according to Wallis)
Stefan Martin (still not retired)
Charlie Parker (R)

[Axe Man]

Bloody hell it’s getting tight.

Assuming 3 trades/fa, minimum 3 drafted = 6 out (I’d prefer 4 draft picks)

1. Dunkley
2. Hunter?

Josh Schache
Louis Butler
Zaine Cordy (offered contract?)
Mitch Wallis (read Bevo is happy to have him next year according to Wallis)
Stefan Martin (still not retired)
Charlie Parker (R)

Plus Crozier if we can find any takers.

You would think Wallis will be made to wait until after trade week.

I'm not sure why we are the only club yet to announced any delistings or retirements when our season ended weeks ago.

[bulldogtragic]

Plus Crozier if we can find any takers.

You would think Wallis will be made to wait until after trade week.

I'm not sure why we are the only club yet to announced any delistings or retirements when our season ended weeks ago.

I don’t understand either, it’s strange and a little disconcerting. If Crozier can’t get a taker, could he paid out Travis Cloke style to free up a spot.

[Bulldog Joe]

I don’t understand either, it’s strange and a little disconcerting. If Crozier can’t get a taker, could he paid out Travis Cloke style to free up a spot.

This would seem essential.

Perhaps we could make him Footscray captain to offset some of it.

[MrMahatma]

Crozier is ok depth. He’s not the worst on the list by far.

[GVGjr]

Crozier is ok depth. He’s not the worst on the list by far.

He's dropped off sharply this year so it's a difficult decision for club and player. Can he get a regular game elsewhere will be the big decision for him but I doubt other clubs will view him in that light.
Unless we are prepared to pay out part or all of his contract he might be seen as just someone who mentors the younger players and is essentially the Footscray captain as Bulldog Joe suggests.

[ledge]

Cordy must have had a club call his manager . 2 year contract on the table but not signed yet .. interesting.

[bornadog]

Cordy must have had a club call his manager . 2 year contract on the table but not signed yet .. interesting.

Hey ledge, welcome back

[Bullies]

He's dropped off sharply this year so it's a difficult decision for club and player. Can he get a regular game elsewhere will be the big decision for him but I doubt other clubs will view him in that light.
Unless we are prepared to pay out part or all of his contract he might be seen as just someone who mentors the younger players and is essentially the Footscray captain as Bulldog Joe suggests. Couldn't see anyone going near Crozier. He is done and all clubs would have seen that this year and last year when there were also no takers. Our bad for the length of the contract.

[bornadog]

Couldn't see anyone going near Crozier. He is done and all clubs would have seen that this year and last year when there were also no takers. Our bad for the length of the contract.

We signed him up for 3 years when he was best 22 and only 25 years old

[GVGjr]

Cordy must have had a club call his manager . 2 year contract on the table but not signed yet .. interesting.

Apparently 2 clubs interested. Essendon might be one of them.

Welcome back Ledge

[G-Mo77]

Couldn't see anyone going near Crozier. He is done and all clubs would have seen that this year and last year when there were also no takers. Our bad for the length of the contract.

I could see the Saints trying for him again. They were big on him when we traded for him and again when he was coming out of contract. I wouldn't be surprised they show some interest.

[MrMahatma]

Apparently 2 clubs interested. Essendon might be one of them.

Welcome back Ledge

What's he worth? A 3rd rounder?

[Axe Man]

What's he worth? A 3rd rounder?

Cordy? Zero, he's a free agent that won't attract any compensation.

[bulldogtragic]

So out (4): Dunkley, Cordy, Schache, Hunter

In (4): Jones, 3 minimum draft picks


So one of Wally or Butler right now. Might be both.

[Hotdog60]

Hunter may still go?

[bulldogtragic]

Hunter may still go?

Lobb may come in?

'Right now', it's Wally or Butler being very, very nervous.

[bulldogtragic]

So out (4): Dunkley, Cordy, Schache, Hunter

In (5): Jones, Lobb, 3 minimum draft picks - If we want a DFA then 6 in


So one or two of Martin, Wallis & Butler out the door.

[hujsh]

So out (4): Dunkley, Cordy, Schache, Hunter

In (5): Jones, Lobb, 3 minimum draft picks - If we want a DFA then 6 in


So one or two of Martin, Wallis & Butler out the door.

Realistically Martin stays as depth in case English is injured (maybe Sweet too) and the other two don't really give us cover in any other position so sorry Wallis it's probably time.

[bulldogtragic]

Realistically Martin stays as depth in case English is injured (maybe Sweet too) and the other two don't really give us cover in any other position so sorry Wallis it's probably time.

This is the question now. Wallis or a DFA that actually fills a role and will actually play senior footy?

[hujsh]

This is the question now. Wallis or a DFA that actually fills a role and will actually play senior footy?

I'd rather a punt on someone new TBH

[azabob]

So out (4): Dunkley, Cordy, Schache, Hunter

In (5): Jones, Lobb, 3 minimum draft picks - If we want a DFA then 6 in


So one or two of Martin, Wallis & Butler out the door.

All 3 out thanks BT.

Keath very lucky, very lucky.

[DOG GOD]

We just can’t have players on the list that won’t play. Martin, Wallis and butler should all go…but I feel Martin won’t (roll eyes).

[hujsh]

We just can’t have players on the list that won’t play. Martin, Wallis and butler should all go…but I feel Martin won’t (roll eyes).

Best case is we're waiting to see what state leaguers are available and we pick someone up

[Vred]

Hey Axe, according to ZeroHanger Alex Keath signed an extension mid year, might want to update the list?

https://www.zerohanger.com/bulldogs-defender-alex-keath-reportedly-extends-kennel-stay-with-contract-trigger-122660/

[Axe Man]

Hey Axe, according to ZeroHanger Alex Keath signed an extension mid year, might want to update the list?

https://www.zerohanger.com/bulldogs-defender-alex-keath-reportedly-extends-kennel-stay-with-contract-trigger-122660/

I am aware of the reported trigger for Keath, as well as Duryea re-signing (as mentioned by the President), but I only update on official announcements (and link to those announcements so that it is all verifiable).

Hopefully the club actually informs us of the PE teacher and Doc's contract status soon.

[hujsh]

Axe is something of a standard setter on WOOF. Best not question his methods

[bulldogtragic]

In assessing it some more. Four players out, two players in. Three minimum picks, so at the very minimum one has to be delisted/‘retired’ from Butler, Wally & Martin.

I’d actually like to take four picks in to the draft. With plenty of future picks, we should think about opening up an extra spot to give us the flexibility to trade into the draft if there’s someone we really like. If that doesn’t happen, we could upgrade a deserving a rookie (opening up a rookie draft pick) or use the late pick 69 if there’s still a roughy. Four draft picks means moving on two of Butler, Wally or Martin.

I will assume Tim, Lobb, Sweet & Darcy is sufficient ruck depth and Butler is behind too many. So then the question is does the club extend Wally, or look at a DFA in his spot. The ‘best’ names of smalls seem to be Aarts, Rowe, Narkle, Phillips or Frederick, with talls thinner at maybe Stein, Sproule and Fullerton.

Wally or one of these type needs/role players?

[Mofra]

I will assume Tim, Lobb, Sweet & Darcy is sufficient ruck depth and Butler is behind too many. So then the question is does the club extend Wally, or look at a DFA in his spot. The ‘best’ names of smalls seem to be Aarts, Rowe, Narkle, Phillips or Frederick, with talls thinner at maybe Stein, Sproule and Fullerton.

Lobb & Darcy are KPPs first (Darcy raw), rucks second so I'd be looking at more depth there. We can wait to the rookie draft because there are good rookie rucks available every year.

I don't think Martin can play even in the event of injury, Butler is 'ok' but I'm not sure that's enough.
Wally may scrape another year out of himself as the 'good bloke' who mentors the kids but if we pick up a small forward (as expected) he's behind a logjam already, and one more who plays a role we need won't help him.

Unless we think he can play as a defensive mid...

[bulldogtragic]

Lobb & Darcy are KPPs first (Darcy raw), rucks second so I'd be looking at more depth there. We can wait to the rookie draft because there are good rookie rucks available every year.

I don't think Martin can play even in the event of injury, Butler is 'ok' but I'm not sure that's enough.
Wally may scrape another year out of himself as the 'good bloke' who mentors the kids but if we pick up a small forward (as expected) he's behind a logjam already, and one more who plays a role we need won't help him.

Unless we think he can play as a defensive mid...

What’s a defensive mid??? Not sure I’ve heard that term since 2014.

[bulldogtragic]

In assessing it some more. Four players out, two players in. Three minimum picks, so at the very minimum one has to be delisted/‘retired’ from Butler, Wally & Martin.

I’d actually like to take four picks in to the draft. With plenty of future picks, we should think about opening up an extra spot to give us the flexibility to trade into the draft if there’s someone we really like. If that doesn’t happen, we could upgrade a deserving a rookie (opening up a rookie draft pick) or use the late pick 69 if there’s still a roughy. Four draft picks means moving on two of Butler, Wally or Martin.

I will assume Tim, Lobb, Sweet & Darcy is sufficient ruck depth and Butler is behind too many. So then the question is does the club extend Wally, or look at a DFA in his spot. The ‘best’ names of smalls seem to be Aarts, Rowe, Narkle, Phillips or Frederick, with talls thinner at maybe Stein, Sproule and Fullerton.

Wally or one of these type needs/role players?

Now the question is Butler & Martin?

[The Underdog]

Now the question is Butler & Martin?

You'd assume both will be delisted, but they're certainly taking their time announcing it.

[bulldogtragic]

You'd assume both will be delisted, but they're certainly taking their time announcing it.

That outcome gives us 4 picks and a potential DFA. With Lobb & Jones. Good mix of mature with the highly rated new. Seems like a good and balanced approach.

[The Underdog]

That outcome gives us 4 picks and a potential DFA. With Lobb & Jones. Good mix of mature with the highly rated new. Seems like a good and balanced approach.

Which is why they’ll both be retained yeah? :cool:

[The Underdog]

So Butler and Parker delisted, which means Martin gets a 1 year contract or gets to announce his retirement rather than a delisting? Which will it be?

[Mofra]

What’s a defensive mid??? Not sure I’ve heard that term since 2014.
In fairness, Libba's second half in the 2016 GF on Kennedy was the best effort we'd seen since Moz's debut game on McLeod.

Ideally we find a kid from outside the APS system who scrapes onto the rookie list. Any Frankston VFL reserves players with the middle name of Keith going around? Or a 'scrappy' Williamstown player?

[bulldogtragic]

So Butler and Parker delisted, which means Martin gets a 1 year contract or gets to announce his retirement rather than a delisting? Which will it be?

Surely he retires. But I say that with no confidence.

So currently 4 ND picks and 1 RD pick. Surely Martin retires and a DFA offers something else.

[Mofra]

Surely he retires. But I say that with no confidence.

So currently 4 ND picks and 1 RD pick. Surely Martin retires and a DFA offers something else.
We've been linked with Rowe, not sure if we'd put him on the main list or rookie list.
Do we have to elevate Sweet and/or Khamis this year? May be 3 live picks and 1 elevation for us this draft.

[bulldogtragic]

We've been linked with Rowe, not sure if we'd put him on the main list or rookie list.
Do we have to elevate Sweet and/or Khamis this year? May be 3 live picks and 1 elevation for us this draft.

From memory their time was reset as part of the messy 2020 list management mayhem. I’m a bit hoping of bringing in a fourth spot open and hoping someone we really rate is on the board at say Pick 15, and GWS would be open to live trading it for the Brisbane 2023 First. Or even in the second round live trading. That would allow us 4 picks in the top 40 this year (plus Lobb & Jones). If we absolutely won’t live trade, then perhaps an upgrade or spot open for SSP if no DFA on the main list. I just don’t see the need for Martin, and I see a lot of flexibility in having his spot open up. Surely the Wally call is harder than Martin.

[bornadog]

We've been linked with Rowe, not sure if we'd put him on the main list or rookie list.
Do we have to elevate Sweet and/or Khamis this year? May be 3 live picks and 1 elevation for us this draft.

Parker is out and he was a rookie

[azabob]

Stef Martin has retired.

[Grantysghost]

Stef Martin has retired.

Everything is coming up Millhouse.

I'm liking this cleanout.

[GVGjr]

Stef Martin has retired.

Shame we didn't get him a couple of years earlier. He had a very good career.

[bulldogtragic]

Everything is coming up Millhouse.

I'm liking this cleanout.

Great decisions by the club. In Wally’s case a tough call. But this is really good list management.

[Bulldog4life]

Great decisions by the club. In Wally’s case a tough call. But this is really good list management.

Agree BT. I like the way we didn't rush into the decisions but took our time about them.

[F'scary]

ok, what is the score now with list spots available to fill as at this present juncture?

[bulldogtragic]

ok, what is the score now with list spots available to fill as at this present juncture?

5 Main List
1 Rookie List

[F'scary]

5 Main List
1 Rookie List

So, first 3 picks in the draft are a given. Question is do we use pick 69 &/or 87 or do we go 1 or 2 DFAs. Or other strategy?

I guess it depends on where you can spot the potential.

[bulldogtragic]

So, first 3 picks in the draft are a given. Question is do we use pick 69 &/or 87 or do we go 1 or 2 DFAs. Or other strategy?

I guess it depends on where you can spot the potential.

I’ve previously posted. For me, one DFA. Four spots to the draft. The fourth comes from:

Trading Brisbane’s Future First for say GWS pick 15 (like drafting Pickett at 12 & Weightman at 15) if the club really rates the kid available at 15
Trading other future picks to get in this year
Looking at a roughy at Pick 69
Upgrading a rookie if so deserving
Leaving it open for a SSP selection for players training with us over summer

Lots of options taking in four spots.

[Axe Man]

5 Main List
1 Rookie List

We were running with a full 6 category A rookies. You can have just the 4 category A rookies and have 2 more on the primary list.

So although you would think we will stick with the current structure and go +5 to the main list and +1 to the rookies, we could also:

+6 main list, or

+7 main list and -1 rookie list (through a rookie elevation).

Another possibility involves shifting a category B rookie to category A (Khamis, Raak), reducing the overall list size, although I'm not sure why we would do that.

[bulldogtragic]

We were running with a full 6 category A rookies. You can have just the 4 category A rookies and have 2 more on the primary list.

So although you would think we will stick with the current structure and go +5 to the main list and +1 to the rookies, we could also:

+6 main list, or

+7 main list and -1 rookie list (through a rookie elevation).

Another possibility involves shifting a category B rookie to category A (Khamis, Raak), reducing the overall list size, although I'm not sure why we would do that.

True. There’s a very slight higher wages bill by moving the balance towards the main list too. I guess Power has right until the end of the ND to make a final decision. I guess if we live traded (for example) into four good picks, and at Pick 69 there’s someone the club really wants who won’t skip to Pick 11 in the rookie draft, Power has the flexibility to pull the trigger on that player at Pick 69 and forego the rookie draft pick. Power has left himself a lot of flexibility (from his delistings) as you say.

[Mofra]

I’ve previously posted. For me, one DFA. Four spots to the draft. The fourth comes from:

Trading Brisbane’s Future First for say GWS pick 15 (like drafting Pickett at 12 & Weightman at 15) if the club really rates the kid available at 15
Trading other future picks to get in this year
Looking at a roughy at Pick 69
Upgrading a rookie if so deserving
Leaving it open for a SSP selection for players training with us over summer

Lots of options taking in four spots.
Pick 69 should move up substantially once FS & NGA bids are matched.
We do have future picks to help move those later picks up too

[F'scary]

I’ve previously posted. For me, one DFA. Four spots to the draft. The fourth comes from:

Trading Brisbane’s Future First for say GWS pick 15 (like drafting Pickett at 12 & Weightman at 15) if the club really rates the kid available at 15
Trading other future picks to get in this year
Looking at a roughy at Pick 69
Upgrading a rookie if so deserving
Leaving it open for a SSP selection for players training with us over summer

Lots of options taking in four spots.

very complicated business, these days. I have been reading your posts and they are very interesting. My 2 cents is that I have a natural aversion to trading future year picks for the current year. I get worried that comes the next draft, things have gone such that you really need to go to the draft and your highest pick isn't even worth draft points. 12 months can be a long time in football. I'm sure there are some clubs that have already done this to themselves. To me, it is kind of related to not managing your salary cap.

[F'scary]

We were running with a full 6 category A rookies. You can have just the 4 category A rookies and have 2 more on the primary list.

So although you would think we will stick with the current structure and go +5 to the main list and +1 to the rookies, we could also:

+6 main list, or

+7 main list and -1 rookie list (through a rookie elevation).

Another possibility involves shifting a category B rookie to category A (Khamis, Raak), reducing the overall list size, although I'm not sure why we would do that.

...just to simplify things...:D

[F'scary]

I've forgotten what all the differences are between the senior list and the rookie list. Is there a risk with not promoting a deserving rookie to the main list via a late draft pick?

[bulldogtragic]

very complicated business, these days. I have been reading your posts and they are very interesting. My 2 cents is that I have a natural aversion to trading future year picks for the current year. I get worried that comes the next draft, things have gone such that you really need to go to the draft and your highest pick isn't even worth draft points. 12 months can be a long time in football. I'm sure there are some clubs that have already done this to themselves. To me, it is kind of related to not managing your salary cap.

Fair enough argument too. I guess my thinking is that with 3 x First Round selections in the next two drafts, it's a matter of taking two first rounders this year and one next year, or the reverse. We are still hitting the first round next year no matter what. And the theory is predicated on the club rating both players at Pick 11 (pushed to 12). Similar to 2019 ND - us drafting Pickett and then trading in to grab Weightman. Then drafting Dev Roberston with our early second. Which would be a massive return if the club nails all three picks with a 2023 First and Second rounder still in the bank with 3 x Fourth rounders. For next year, if the two/three picks were small forwards or other types that can play a good amount of footy next year, then that is an immediate benefit, if like the club, you believe the club is in the premiership window.

If that opportunity isn't there, if the player being traded into this year for is not considered worth the high value trade, then I wouldn't trade in this year.

But i'm open to the club exploring whether the current mix of 1 x 2022 & 2 x 2023 First Rounders gets flipped around to take two this year. The thing of it is we won't know for sure until Pick 14 is selected and GWS Pick 15 'may' be available.

Without checking other lis managers, i'd strongly suggest Sam Power is the best predictor of future pick value in the entire league (from past analysis i've done on his record with future picks). He hasn't lost a 'futures' trade by correctly seeing where we end up finishing, and where he correctly sees opposition clubs end up finishing the next year. If he was at a racecourse, you'd put all your money on his tips. So i'm comfortable that if Power makes a big decision like this with future picks, that he is betting on a winner.

[bulldogtragic]

I've forgotten what all the differences are between the senior list and the rookie list. Is there a risk with not promoting a deserving rookie to the main list via a late draft pick?

Not anymore. They can all play senior footy unlike the rule back in the day and I don't imagine they'd be earning a lot more money (if any) in most cases. Once they've hit the their maximum 3 years then it's time to elevate or delist. By needlessly moving up a rookie we'd be say moving Pick 69 ND down to Pick 11 in the Rookie Draft. That could be something like a 20 pick (or more) sliding down the order of talent.

In times of Father/Sons, it's handy to have upgrading options if we need to free up spots to use draft points. Not sure where Croft or others are in the next year or two, but it makes more sense to elevate then rather than potentially take super late ND picks.

[SquirrelGrip]

So if we were to trade back into this year's draft by swapping one of our future firsts, would be trade our future first or the future first we got from Brisbane?

[GVGjr]

So if we were to trade back into this year's draft by swapping one of our future firsts, would be trade our future first or the future first we got from Brisbane?

It really depends on the pick we could get. GWS have a few but I don't think it really matters which one we trade. Both sides should finish close on the ladder anyway.

[Bulldog Joe]

It really depends on the pick we could get. GWS have a few but I don't think it really matters which one we trade. Both sides should finish close on the ladder anyway.

Well if we are backing ourselves we trade our pick and keep the Brisbane one. Other teams are likely to think ours would be the earlier pick.

We want the best outcome from us finishing higher.

[bulldogtragic]

We were running with a full 6 category A rookies. You can have just the 4 category A rookies and have 2 more on the primary list.

So although you would think we will stick with the current structure and go +5 to the main list and +1 to the rookies, we could also:

+6 main list, or

+7 main list and -1 rookie list (through a rookie elevation).

Another possibility involves shifting a category B rookie to category A (Khamis, Raak), reducing the overall list size, although I'm not sure why we would do that.

I think you’re right Axe.

Out: 7 players main list
In: 4 players main list (Jones, Lobb, upgraded Khamis & Sweet as Sam Power has said we need to do)

3 Picks, with three main list spots. 2 Cat A RL spots, which can be rebalanced as you say.

But if we moved 1 RL spot into the ML. That’s a DFA option and three picks.
But if we moved 2 RL spots into the ML. That’s a DFA option and four picks if we are looking to trade the Brisbane Future First to a late First this year.

Leaving One or No rookie draft picks with McNeil, McComb, Smith & Scott holding down four spots.

We can rebalance this list after the ND/before the RD so we can make the decision in/after the National Draft on one of the calls. The other question is whether we want a DFA on the main list, or hope to get them in the rookie draft.

If the depth is better next year by the Rookie Draft, it might be an added benefit to take the extra high pick this year and forgo to RD pick this year.

Looks like it’s going to be a very technical time for Sam Power.

[GVGjr]

I think RL promotions can count towards the 3 list changes if you want them to.

[bulldogtragic]

I think RL promotions can count towards the 3 list changes if you want them to.

That’s factored in G.

[F'scary]

A burning question with me is how do we expect to become more successful when we don't hire any DFA's? Why do we keep missing out?

[Mofra]

I think RL promotions can count towards the 3 list changes if you want them to.
I read it as 3 live picks at the draft plus rookie promotions for Sweet & Khamis

[bulldogtragic]

I read it as 3 live picks at the draft plus rookie promotions for Sweet & Khamis

Exactly Mof. It's 3 live picks, and upgrading Sweet and Buku, on top of Jones and Lobb (7 Players In). That's our maximum right now (with 7 Players Out).

But if Power re-balances the lists to add 2 Main List Spots (thus reducing the Rookie List by two spots), then we could adding two more players this year to the main list, such as a DFA and a potential 4th (good/high end) Draft Pick if an opportunity presents itself. If it doesn't, Power can just adjust the list by one and take Pick 11 in the Rookie Draft.

In essence, two existing rookies (Sweet and Buku) take up the very literal new last two spots on the list in re-balancing the list. We're just moving them laterally without needing to cut the Main List further. Assuming we want the option to look at a DFA and extra high/good pick this year if there's a good live trade available. Which would be a pretty good outcome if the club rates the players in each scenario.

Sam Power doesn't need to finalise anything until after the National Draft, so he can just play things out and see what happens.

[bornadog]

Exactly Mof. It's 3 live picks, and upgrading Sweet and Buku, on top of Jones and Lobb (7 Players In). That's our maximum right now (with 7 Players Out).

But if Power re-balances the lists to add 2 Main List Spots (thus reducing the Rookie List by two spots), then we could adding two more players this year to the main list, such as a DFA and a potential 4th (good/high end) Draft Pick if an opportunity presents itself. If it doesn't, Power can just adjust the list by one and take Pick 11 in the Rookie Draft.

In essence, two existing rookies (Sweet and Buku) take up the very literal new last two spots on the list in re-balancing the list. We're just moving them laterally without needing to cut the Main List further. Assuming we want the option to look at a DFA and extra high/good pick this year if there's a good live trade available. Which would be a pretty good outcome if the club rates the players in each scenario.

Sam Power doesn't need to finalise anything until after the National Draft, so he can just play things out and see what happens.

I would love to see Roarke promoted to the senior list

[bulldogtragic]

I would love to see Roarke promoted to the senior list

That would make it impossible to take a DFA and extra good pick by taking another main list spot. Can he wait until next year?

[GVGjr]

That would make it impossible to take a DFA and extra good pick by taking another main list spot. Can he wait until next year?

We have a few too many players that are unlikely to play a lot of senior football next year so once again we are tight for list spots.

[bulldogtragic]

We have a few too many players that are unlikely to play a lot of senior football next year so once again we are tight for list spots.

The list re-balance will fix the structure at least for next year and bringing in a ready to go DFA, and hoping Jones, Keath, McLean & Bruce are good to manage through the season. By the end of next year there’s a chance Crozier & O’Brien are gone, Duryea & Keath retired, and decisions to be made on Bedendo, Cleary and Jones, and rookies McComb, Scott and McNeil and possibly Roarke upgraded. Plus any trade requests. Looks ok

They should open up a few spots for the end of 2023. I think Power would be pretty comfortable. I guess we watch for DFA activity next week and guess whether we trade into the First Round this year? 3 top picks inside 23 this year (based on the phantom draft posted today) and a hit at say Pick 37 on a Munkara type, with a solid DFA added would be pretty exciting for next year.

[hujsh]

I would love to see Roarke promoted to the senior list

When we gave him a 2 year extension did that not move him to the senior list? I always assumed that he must have been elevated at that time. Don't see any good way to confirm who is actually a rookie or not though

[soupman]

What even is the point of the rookie list anymore?

Can't they just make it so that players after pick say 60 only get one year contracts and sae us from this dumb reshuffle?

I mean it doesn't seem like they have any less requirements than main listed players, nor any restrictions now that they don't have to be promoted to play, so whats the point?

[jeemak]

What even is the point of the rookie list anymore?

Can't they just make it so that players after pick say 60 only get one year contracts and sae us from this dumb reshuffle?

I mean it doesn't seem like they have any less requirements than main listed players, nor any restrictions now that they don't have to be promoted to play, so whats the point?

Apart from not being able to afford a second house, drink from the top shelf and afford themselves nice kicks it's pretty much the same for them.

The AFLPA should be doing more in this area than anything else. You can't have one type of labour doing the same thing as every other type but being discriminated against due to speculative talent assumptions.

[bulldogtragic]

Apart from not being able to afford a second house, drink from the top shelf and afford themselves nice kicks it's pretty much the same for them.

The AFLPA should be doing more in this area than anything else. You can't have one type of labour doing the same thing as every other type but being discriminated against due to speculative talent assumptions.

Bigger question than just footy. First round draftees get paid more than late picks. Late pick draftees get paid more than rookie picks. Should that be the case? Same labour, same pay?

Clubs might argue they would speculate and invest in players if not the reduce contract tenure and the reduced financial cost.

Soup’s point is a very good one. The RL doesn’t function as originally intended and many clubs don’t use rookies, but journey ruckman, the exact opposite. In the tiered pay for draftees, making Pick 60+ one year and $85,000 removes the need for a rookie list. While the Cat B list should be left in tact.

The existing structure is still to my understanding:

Picks 1-20 you’re on a base salary of $105,000 a year,
Picks 21-40 you’re on $95,000, and
Picks 41 and up you then go onto $90,000 a year,
Rookies are rookie listed at 85,000 a year.

*Proposed Pick 60+ (no RL) $85,000 on one year*

[Axe Man]

When we gave him a 2 year extension did that not move him to the senior list? I always assumed that he must have been elevated at that time. Don't see any good way to confirm who is actually a rookie or not though

No, you can contract rookies for multiple years. Sweet and Scott also signed 2 year contracts last year.

[hujsh]

No, you can contract rookies for multiple years. Sweet and Scott also signed 2 year contracts last year.

What's the limit now? I feel like it used to be 2 once upon a time but since we have to elevate Sweet and Buku it must be higher

[bulldogtragic]

What's the limit now? I feel like it used to be 2 once upon a time but since we have to elevate Sweet and Buku it must be higher

A third year with consent. But an extra year was added for COVID For them.

[Axe Man]

Duryea remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1242115/?fbclid=IwAR3Ok-aB_i0vOnoW0Mz8p1DhHt6XpjZUbtc6yY77LrNbxkOHLO9qJyd7G70)

Veteran defender Taylor Duryea has signed a one-year contract extension to remain in the red, white and blue until at least the end of 2023.

The dual premiership player will extend into an 11th AFL season, taken as the 69th pick in the 2009 National Draft, before moving to the Kennel from Hawthorn in 2019.

Duryea played 12 games across the 2022 season after suffering a knee injury in Round 12, crossing into the Club’s leadership group at the beginning of the season.

The 31-year-old averaged 13 touches and six marks per game, playing a pivotal role on the competition’s best small forwards.

Bulldogs General Manager – List & Recruiting, Sam Power was pleased to have the experience and leadership of Taylor for another season at the Bulldogs.

“We’re really pleased to have Taylor sign on for at least another season.” Power said.

“Taylor’s leadership from the moment he stepped in the building has been an asset to our club, both on and off field.

“His selfless actions on the football field epitomise the person that Taylor is, playing a variety of roles across the backline during his time at the Bulldogs.”

Duryea’s signing comes off the back of a successful trade period for the Bulldogs, acquiring key defender Liam Jones and forward Rory Lobb.

[Grantysghost]

Duryea remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1242115/?fbclid=IwAR3Ok-aB_i0vOnoW0Mz8p1DhHt6XpjZUbtc6yY77LrNbxkOHLO9qJyd7G70)

Veteran defender Taylor Duryea has signed a one-year contract extension to remain in the red, white and blue until at least the end of 2023.

The dual premiership player will extend into an 11th AFL season, taken as the 69th pick in the 2009 National Draft, before moving to the Kennel from Hawthorn in 2019.

Duryea played 12 games across the 2022 season after suffering a knee injury in Round 12, crossing into the Club’s leadership group at the beginning of the season.

The 31-year-old averaged 13 touches and six marks per game, playing a pivotal role on the competition’s best small forwards.

Bulldogs General Manager – List & Recruiting, Sam Power was pleased to have the experience and leadership of Taylor for another season at the Bulldogs.

“We’re really pleased to have Taylor sign on for at least another season.” Power said.

“Taylor’s leadership from the moment he stepped in the building has been an asset to our club, both on and off field.

“His selfless actions on the football field epitomise the person that Taylor is, playing a variety of roles across the backline during his time at the Bulldogs.”

Duryea’s signing comes off the back of a successful trade period for the Bulldogs, acquiring key defender Liam Jones and forward Rory Lobb.

KWW went a bit early ;)

[Axe Man]

KWW went a bit early ;)

The social media team would be desperate for any sort of content to fill the dead zone between trade week and the draft. Luckily most people probably didn't listen to her speech.

[Grantysghost]

The social media team would be desperate for any sort of content to fill the dead zone between trade week and the draft. Luckily most people probably didn't listen to her speech.

It was all a massive jab at Dunks.

We had all these re-signings, not you !

We had this guy - not you Dunks, this guy - not you Dunks, BAILEY SMITH 300K INSTA FOLLOWERS, Not you Dunks...rinse and repeat.

[ledge]

So it’s all finalised with Doc signing another year . We have 6 spots to fill if my calculations are right.

[jazzadogs]

So it’s all finalised with Doc signing another year . We have 6 spots to fill if my calculations are right.

Has Keath hitting his trigger been confirmed anywhere?

[F'scary]

Duryea remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1242115/?fbclid=IwAR3Ok-aB_i0vOnoW0Mz8p1DhHt6XpjZUbtc6yY77LrNbxkOHLO9qJyd7G70)

Veteran defender Taylor Duryea has signed a one-year contract extension to remain in the red, white and blue until at least the end of 2023...

If we had delisted him, he could have been the DFA we need.

[Axe Man]

We have 6 spots to fill if my calculations are right.

It's almost like someone wrote that in the OP. ;)

The thing is though it may not be 6 as apparently Buku needs to be upgraded and one would assume that would make him no longer a category B rookie. Unless we have another prospective category B rookie the list would shrink by 1 overall.


Has Keath hitting his trigger been confirmed anywhere?

I really should link the articles in the OP. Oh wait, I do. ;)


The 30-year-old triggered a contract extension for 2023 earlier this year and believes he has plenty more in the tank after turning his back on a cricket career to join the Adelaide Crows as a Category B rookie when he was 24.

[EasternWest]

It's almost like someone wrote that in the OP. ;)

The thing is though it may not be 6 as apparently Buku needs to be upgraded and one would assume that would make him no longer a category B rookie. Unless we have another prospective category B rookie the list would shrink by 1 overall.



I really should link the articles in the OP. Oh wait, I do. ;)

Imma stop reading this site if you're just going to make things up.

[bornadog]

Weightman locked in until 2025 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1254001/)

It’s been a big week for Cody Weightman.

Days after taking over the Western Bulldogs’ famous no.3 jumper, the livewire forward has committed to a further two seasons at VU Whitten Oval, signing on until at least the end of the 2025 season.

Drafted at Pick 15 in the 2019 National Draft, the 21-year-old has become an instant fan favourite, creating plenty of excitement in the forward line with 61 goals in 40 matches.

A consistent performer in the red, white and blue, Weightman found his best form in 2022, kicking 36 goals and averaging 10 touches per game.

“I am super pumped to stay here, it is a great place to come and work every day,” Weightman said.

“There is an array of reasons why someone would want to stay, it is an exciting young group and we all get along, on and off the field.

“It does feel like we are building something special here.

“It’s a good time to be a Bulldogs fan and an even better time to be a player, the opportunity prevailed to stay around and it was a no brainer for me.

“It was always a childhood dream to play AFL at any club and for the Bulldogs to give me an opportunity for that – it's still surreal to be honest.

“I feel totally blessed by the support and the people that have helped me get here and the Club is a part of that in a big way.

"It’s my aim to give back to the Club in any way I can, particularly on field.

“To the fans, embrace the excitement around the Club. We are setting the bar really high and we want to get back to a level we know we can be at."

Bulldogs’ General Manager of List and Recruiting, Sam Power, was elated to keep Weightman at VU Whitten Oval into the future.

“From the moment Cody walked into the Club, his infectious personality and appetite to improve has been on show within our football program.” Power said.

“Within three seasons, Cody has become one of the most damaging small forwards in the competition, while developing a strong relationship with our red, white and blue army.

“We’re thrilled as a club to keep him beyond next season, and his early commitment to our program displays the trust he has in the direction of the organisation.”

[F'scary]

Weightman is good but he has to work on ways of staying in the game when he's not having a hot streak. He's all fire and ice at the moment.

[The Doctor]

great news

[Grantysghost]

Number 3 is for life.

[bulldogtragic]

So with Baker signing on, we have one rookie list vacancy for the SSP (unless being held over for the mid season draft for some reason).

One to go.

[GVGjr]

So with Baker signing on, we have one rookie list vacancy for the SSP (unless being held over for the mid season draft for some reason).

One to go.

I wonder what our position is? Surely it's to offer a few players the chance to train with us and then make a decision in the SSP.

[bulldogtragic]

I wonder what our position is? Surely it's to offer a few players the chance to train with us and then make a decision in the SSP.

I’m 100% behind that. The three players fight for the last spot. An overlooked rookie ruckman, a better state league ruckman and a recycled ruckman.

As a left field option. Someone like an Ethan Phillips. Keath & Jones have question marks beyond a year/two, Bruce may or may not work as a defender, Darcy may be a forward or ruck/forward, Buss is a kid and Gardner needs another foil.

Phillips is 23. Put two years into him when all of Keath, Bruce & Jones might be retired. Then it’s Gardner, Buss is year 3 and a 26yo Phillips in his third year with us (if he keeps his spot). Backed by probably Khamis maybe. Plus a drafted or two over the journey.

[G-Mo77]

What happened to our interest in Rowe? I think he would have been a better option than Baker.

[bornadog]

What happened to our interest in Rowe? I think he would have been a better option than Baker.

Not sure, but someone posted up that he joined an SANFL club.

[Bulldog4life]

What happened to our interest in Rowe? I think he would have been a better option than Baker.

Different positions. Likely we lost interest in a small forward when we drafted Charlie.

[bornadog]

Gardner remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1268746/)

Western Bulldogs defender Ryan Gardner has put pen to paper on a three-year contract extension.

It’s a welcome reward and story of persistence for the 25-year-old, who has played 43 games in the red, white and blue since being picked up in the 2019 Mid-Season Rookie Draft.

Gardner spent three years on Geelong’s list from 2016-2018, before joining Footscray in 2019, and is one of four Bulldogs currently on the list to have come via the VFL pathway.

The Tasmanian enjoyed a career-high 22 outings in 2022, averaging 8.5 spoils (ranked elite), two intercept marks and eleven disposals per game.

Gardner finished 7th in the Charles Sutton Medal while also claiming the Brad Johnson Best Team Player award.

“It’s such a great achievement for me personally – I’ve had a few hiccups along the way, so to be able to get a three-year contract is just an amazing feeling,” Gardner said.

“It was a pretty easy option to stay – I didn’t really feel like going anywhere else. I really love it here and I think it’s the best place for me to be.

“I just want to keep playing good footy and having a say down there in the backline. I’m only 25, so still have so much growth in front of me.

“I want to keep developing and see where it can take me.”

General Manager of List and Recruiting, Sam Power, said it was pleasing to lock away Gardner until at least the end of 2026.

“Ryan’s commitment since walking through the door has been first-class and this new contract is reward for his hard work and persistence,” he said.

“In the space of three seasons, Ryan has become a mainstay of the Bulldogs defence, playing with courage and consistency against the talented forwards of the competition.

“We still believe Ryan has plenty of growth in his football and we’re thrilled he has committed to us for the next three seasons.”

[GVGjr]

Good signing. Hope he has another 100 games plus with us.

[Axe Man]

Nice half volley for Sam Power to put away to the fence. Now to turn his attention towards some others, particularly Ed Richards.

[bornadog]

Nice half volley for Sam Power to put away to the fence. Now to turn his attention towards some others, particularly Ed Richards.

He has a long list for 2023, although some may not be worth re-signing until they prove their worth to perceiver with.

Agree, Ed would be a priority along with Mclean, Darcy

[Axe Man]

He has a long list for 2023, although some may not be worth re-signing until they prove their worth to perceiver with.

Agree, Ed would be a priority along with Mclean, Darcy

It's a long list but most aren't overly concerning. They are either fringe players or very little chance of being poached. Darcy is obviously very important but would have to be a miniscule chance of leaving. McLean and Williams good players but not cornerstones of the team. Richards is the only one that worries me to any significant extent. Hopefully he is done early in the season before he drives his price up any further!

[Happy Days]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Richards took the first half of the season to increase his value.

Is it weird Darcy isn’t already done? I’m not nervous or anything but usually these top picks are extended before the end of their first year.

[Mofra]

Obviously Darcy had to wait for Gardner's 3 year extension to get done.

Congrats Gards

[GVGjr]

He just did an interview with Gaze and Maher and it's good to hear him say that he feels like he belongs.
He thanks Bevo and especially Smith for sticking with him.

[aker39]

He just did an interview with Gaze and Maher and it's good to hear him say that he feels like he belongs.
He thanks Bevo and especially Smith for sticking with him.

https://megaphone.link/NTETP9854127801

[The Doctor]

Laitham Vandermeer: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/928511?fbclid=IwAR1JQZg_-JiV-pAfzNd7NqQOP43F-9fskpEcIhfKruODaV_2K80x5puUGxo)

Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/959503?fbclid=IwAR0wEvRwqjavwB0FoI2k31VZ577eRUm5N-JpTHJ5QJIjJbP3AaQbDZKsfxE) (Rookie)

Tim O'Brien: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1023914/bulldogs-land-free-agent-tim-o-brien)

Jordon Sweet: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1024309/sweet-signs-on)

Roarke Smith: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1024919/roarke-s-reward-smith-locked-in-until-2023) (Rookie)

Mitch Hannan: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)

Dominic Bedendo: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)

Buku Khamis: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)

Robbie McComb: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1210741/exciting-quartet-sign-on-at-bulldogs) (Rookie)

Cody Raak: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1210741/exciting-quartet-sign-on-at-bulldogs) (Rookie)



Just had a look at who is out of contract this year and perhaps not in the frame for round 1 selection. It's going to be a defining year for some of these boys to try and break into the senior team and then hold their spot on the list.

[Bulldog Joe]

Just had a look at who is out of contract this year and perhaps not in the frame for round 1 selection. It's going to be a defining year for some of these boys to try and break into the senior team and then hold their spot.

Obviously we are unlikely to delist/trade them all, but they certainly need to show something to keep their spots.

It may be difficult to break in to the top team but they absolutely need to be at the top of the game for Footscray to show they are ready and perhaps attract attention from elsewhere to stay AFL listed players.

[The Doctor]

Obviously we are unlikely to delist/trade them all, but they certainly need to show something to keep their spots.

It may be difficult to break in to the top team but they absolutely need to be at the top of the game for Footscray to show they are ready and perhaps attract attention from elsewhere to stay AFL listed players.

Sweet is the interesting one. If he decides to look for better opportunity elsewhere what will we do about replacing him?

[Mantis]

Sweet is the interesting one. If he decides to look for better opportunity elsewhere what will we do about replacing him?

We would need to recruit a mature/readymade ruckman who could be called on if English is either injured or out of form.

As others have mentioned our strategy not to have drafted a ruck who could be developed behind English & Sweet is a strange call, but maybe we feel it's easier to draft a mature one when needed.

[Axe Man]

Sweet is the interesting one. If he decides to look for better opportunity elsewhere what will we do about replacing him?


We would need to recruit a mature/readymade ruckman who could be called on if English is either injured or out of form.

As others have mentioned our strategy not to have drafted a ruck who could be developed behind English & Sweet is a strange call, but maybe we feel it's easier to draft a mature one when needed.

There is a ruck merry-go round every trade period. Fringe rucks are continually moving clubs for greater opportunity (at least perceived). There will be options from other AFL clubs and from the state leagues if Sweet were to depart.

[soupman]

Sweet is the interesting one. If he decides to look for better opportunity elsewhere what will we do about replacing him?

I'm not worried about that.

If we want a serviceable but unspectacular ruck to serve as a backup there is a number who have no real trade value. West Coast alone have 4 candidates (Williams, Jamieson, Barnett, Williams).

Our issue is that we haven't really tried at all to get another prospect on the list who could be more than that. Darcy I guess should count, but he fell into our lap, but say if English went we haven't really taken any measures to get a potential quality option onto our list.

[1eyedog]

I'm not worried about any of those names. There's a reason they haven't been extended. Ultimately it's up to them to show something when they get their opportunity. I'd like to retain Raak, Bedendo, McNeil and Khamis as I think they have the most upside as they're all in the right age demographic.

[Mantis]

Sam Darcy has re-signed for 2 more years.. takes him through until the end of 2025.

[Grantysghost]

Sam Darcy has re-signed for 2 more years.. takes him through until the end of 2025.

Bloody beautiful.

I love Marra, this kid though....

[Mofra]

There is a ruck merry-go round every trade period. Fringe rucks are continually moving clubs for greater opportunity (at least perceived). There will be options from other AFL clubs and from the state leagues if Sweet were to depart.
Weirdly, Max Lynch may be gettable. Hawks have just grabbed Meek, and Ned Reeves is ranked pretty highly there.
They've also got a rookie ruck on the books (Ramsden)

[Happy Days]

Weirdly, Max Lynch may be gettable. Hawks have just grabbed Meek, and Ned Reeves is ranked pretty highly there.
They've also got a rookie ruck on the books (Ramsden)

I think Max Lynch will be gettable in the sense that he will be free. He’s been terrible at Hawthorn.

[bornadog]

Sam Darcy has re-signed for 2 more years.. takes him through until the end of 2025.

Good News.

In a few years he will be wanting a huge increase if he keeps improving

[jeemak]

I'm not worried about that.

If we want a serviceable but unspectacular ruck to serve as a backup there is a number who have no real trade value. West Coast alone have 4 candidates (Williams, Jamieson, Barnett, Williams).

Our issue is that we haven't really tried at all to get another prospect on the list who could be more than that. Darcy I guess should count, but he fell into our lap, but say if English went we haven't really taken any measures to get a potential quality option onto our list.

Are you saying that we should have tried to draft another English quality level talent when we landed Darcy just to prove we're trying?

[Axe Man]

Darcy continues red, white and blue legacy
(https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1280147/darcy-continues-red-white-and-blue-legacy)
Sam Darcy will continue to call VU Whitten Oval home for the next two years.

The emerging youngster and third generation Bulldog inked a contract extension this week, keeping him in the red, white and blue until at least the end of 2025.

Darcy made his senior debut in round 21 last season, showcasing plenty of skill and versatility during the latter part of the Bulldogs campaign.

With an ability to play at either end of the ground and even rotate through the ruck, the 208cm tall is a valuable asset to the Dogs’ future.

Darcy said he couldn’t be happier to remain a Bulldog.

“My immediate feeling is I am just super excited to sign with the Club, I can’t wait to see what the future holds,” Darcy said

“It’s pretty special having rich family history with Dad and Grandpa playing here. I’m really proud to follow in their footsteps and represent the Dogs.”

“It was awesome to get a taste of senior football in my first year, particularly with that final, I was definitely pinching myself with the crowd and atmosphere.”

“Everyone at the club has been amazing from the coaching staff through to all the players, allowing me to be the best player I can be and help the team succeed wherever I can.”

Bulldogs General Manager of List and Recruiting, Sam Power, said it was pleasing to secure Darcy’s signature.

“Sam has been a fantastic addition to our football club over the past 12 months and we couldn’t be happier to retain him for two more seasons.” Power said.

“His versatility, courage in the air and ability to compete have been key attributes in the beginning of his football journey, showing the capabilities Sam has at either end of the ground.”

“Sam has a real hunger to learn and get the best out of himself, making him a popular member of the playing group, while his passion for the red, white and blue is evident given his strong family ties to the club.”

“While Sam still has so much growth and development in his game, our fans and members should be excited about what he can deliver in the future.”

Darcy joins Ryan Gardner (three-year deal) as recently re-signed Bulldogs.

[soupman]

Are you saying that we should have tried to draft another English quality level talent when we landed Darcy just to prove we're trying?

Yes, but it's more of a historical criticism than a current one.

Prior to Darcy our only real effort to find someone was Sweet, a player we have consistently been reluctant at best to actually use at any stage of his career. Clearly we don't see it as a concern, especially with Darcy on the list now, but the way we have drafted/not drafted for the position has shown that the only meaningful way we have gotten a prospect on our list aside from Sweet has been through Darcy falling in our laps. We haven't even thrown our hat in the ring for any trade options of value maybe ever in Bevo's tenure, Trengrove may be the exception but I thought he was recruited to be not a ruck.

Anyway I don't think it's a huge issue currently, but I also think we have shown that we are thoroughly uninterested in recruiting for that position.

[Axe Man]

We haven't even thrown our hat in the ring for any trade options of value maybe ever in Bevo's tenure, Trengrove may be the exception but I thought he was recruited to be not a ruck.

We had a serious crack at Soldo a couple of years back.

[bornadog]

We had a serious crack at Soldo a couple of years back.

Pretty sure there were others as well under Bevo - Steph Martin in 2015 off the top of my head.

[GVGjr]

Libba has re-signed. Such great news.

[azabob]

Liberatore has extended his contract by one year.

[hujsh]

Libba signed on for another season

[angelopetraglia]

Libba. Yes. Gee whiz I love him.

[hujsh]

Libba has re-signed. Such great news.


Liberatore has extended his contract by one year.


Libba signed on for another season


Libba. Yes. Gee whiz I love him.

So we all got the text? He promised me I was the first...

[azabob]

Libba has re-signed. Such great news.


Liberatore has extended his contract by one year.


Libba signed on for another season


Libba. Yes. Gee whiz I love him.

We all know GVGjr set this up so we all appeared under his post...

[GVGjr]

We all know GVGjr set this up so we all appeared under his post...

First to the ball gets the reward.

[bulldogtragic]

Gardner, Darcy & Libba in a month.

Sam has been a busy list manager.

[azabob]

First to the ball gets the reward.

That has been Libba's theory.

[bornadog]

Liberatore locks in another year (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1281243/)

Premiership Bulldog Tom Liberatore has locked in at least one more year in the red, white and blue.

The 30-year-old was due to come out of contract at season’s end but has put pen to paper this week, taking him into a 14th season at the Club.

A key part of the Bulldogs’ on-ball brigade, Liberatore enters the new campaign after averaging an impressive 25 disposals, five tackles and seven clearances in 2022.

One of three father-son selections currently on the list, the 2014 Charles Sutton Medallist is also on track to celebrate his 200-game milestone in round five this year.

“It makes me very excited – I think I’m almost getting to the end now, so it certainly gives me a bit of closure going into this season,” Liberatore said.

“The last three of four years in particular have been positive for me personally and also the Club as well.

“We’ve got a great group around us and a really good environment to thrive and get the best out of ourselves.

Bulldogs’ GM of List Management and Recruiting, Sam Power, was pleased to extend Liberatore into another season.

“The entire club is thrilled to have Tom remain for another season, taking him through until the end of the 2024 season,” Power said.

“Tom’s impact on the playing group has been profound over the past few years, taking his game to a new level and imparting his knowledge onto our young players as a leader of the Club.

“His competitiveness and consistency was highlighted by a second-place finish in the Charles Sutton Medal last season, as he shows no signs of slowing down, continuing to be a vital part of our midfield group.”

Fellow father-son Bulldog Sam Darcy also extended his time at the Kennel this week, following Ryan Gardner’s three-year deal last month.

[Happy Days]

Great news. His pre-season match form has been as good as it possibly could be.

[jazzadogs]

I love Libba and agree he looks in fantastic condition, and can see the benefits to him of getting pen to paper early in the season.

But I think it's a funny one from the club. 30 yo with history of knee injuries, you'd think it could have waited until later in the year.

I hope he has a great 2023 and 2024!

[Go_Dogs]

Libba could play quite a few more years it seems, he’s in great form and condition. But, one year at a time I suppose…

Great to have some good news before the season kicks off.

[Grantysghost]

I love Libba and agree he looks in fantastic condition, and can see the benefits to him of getting pen to paper early in the season.

But I think it's a funny one from the club. 30 yo with history of knee injuries, you'd think it could have waited until later in the year.

I hope he has a great 2023 and 2024!

Might be a bit of a reward for him and his form over the last couple of seasons?

It's been a while since his knee.

You make a good point, having thought about it I'm ok with the early call for Libba.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

Might be a bit of a reward for him and his form over the last couple of seasons?

It's been a while since his knee.

You make a good point, having thought about it I'm ok with the early call for Libba.

Yep i remember 3 or 4 years ago the general thinking was that Libba would have to be nursed through the rest of his career due to his knee issues.

But his form since has been wonderful. Such a Liberatore.

[Axe Man]

BULLDOG CLOSING IN ON DEAL (https://www.afl.com.au/news/882460/don-to-wait-roo-in-demand-dog-closes-on-new-deal)

THE WESTERN Bulldogs' run of contracts is set to continue with Ed Richards edging towards a contract extension.

Richards moved back to defence last season and had the best year of his career at the club, with a new deal in the works. It is likely to take him through to the end of the 2025 season, when he would reach free agency.

The 23-year-old played a career-best 22 games last year and averaged 18 disposals to claim the Dogs' most improved player award.

He had garnered rival interest in 2021 but remained with the club, with his crafty and smart ball use out of the back half important for the Dogs.

The Western Bulldogs have been able to tie up some of their priority re-signings ahead of the season, with exciting tall Sam Darcy inking a two-year extension and free agent Tom Liberatore signing on for another year. – Callum Twomey

[GVGjr]

Lets get this deal done earlier. I have a feeling that if Ed gets on a run his value might start to jump.

[Axe Man]

Lets get this deal done earlier. I have a feeling that if Ed gets on a run his value might start to jump.

He's about the only player left coming out of contract this year I would be worried about losing. The rest are either old or fringe types at this stage, unlikely to garner much interest from elsewhere. Williams perhaps the exception but he's hardly irreplaceable either.

2024 is a different story though. Some early extensions would be welcome there.

[bornadog]

Great news on Ed

[bornadog]

delete

[bornadog]

Staying put: Run-and-gun Dog inks two-year extension at the Kennel (https://www.afl.com.au/news/896906/staying-put-run-and-gun-dog-inks-two-year-extension-at-the-kennel)

WESTERN Bulldogs half-back Ed Richards has signed a two-year extension that ties him to the Whitten Oval until at least the end of 2025.

As flagged in Inside Trading last month, Dogs list boss Sam Power has now secured the former first-round pick, after re-signing Sam Darcy, Tom Liberatore and Ryan Gardner on the eve of the season.

Richards' new contract will see the emerging star through to free agency.

The 23-year-old has made a fast start to 2023 after a breakout 2022 campaign to be ranked No.5 among general defenders this season, behind only Adam Saad, Nick Daicos, Jack Sinclair and Hayden Young, according to Champion Data's player ratings system.

Richards finished 10th in last year's Charles Sutton Medal and was named the most improved player at the club, after playing 22 games in a breakout 2022 campaign.

He is averaging 23.7 disposals, 10.7 contested possessions, 10 intercept possessions and 8.7 groundball gets ? rated elite in all categories for a general defender ? as well as 5.7 rebound 50s and 477.9 metres gained.

Richards played a key role in last Thursday night's win over Brisbane at Marvel Stadium, helping reignite the Western Bulldogs' season after a winless first fortnight.

Now Richards ? who has famous Collingwood lineage ? looms as a key part of a new-look defence, built around Liam Jones and featuring two All-Australian playmakers in Caleb Daniel and Bailey Dale.

[GVGjr]

I think that is a good deal for Richards and the club.

[Axe Man]

That's great work by Power to get Richards locked away early, his signature was the most important of those coming out of contract this year. Shaping as a fairly stress free year as far as 2023 expiring contracts go, those remaining are largely fringe players or veterans.

[Grantysghost]

How is he only 23! Feels like he's been around forever.

Great news to have him locked away.

[bornadog]

How is he only 23! Feels like he's been around forever.

Great news to have him locked away.

This is his 6th season playing - 88 games to date.

[Bulldog Joe]

So locked in until free agency.

That seems the new way as players position themselves for their best payday.

[EasternWest]

So locked in until free agency.

That seems the new way as players position themselves for their best payday.

Can you blame them?

[jeemak]

He's a really good player Richards, and a great signature for us to land.

I find him a bit frustrating at times, but given his age he can be a bit more composed when he needs to be. I made the quip in the game day thread, sometimes he panics when he shouldn't and sometimes he doesn't when he should.

He'll be elite with consistency in his headspace/ with a bit more maturity.

[chef]

Can you blame them?

You'd be dumb not too.

[Bulldog Joe]

Can you blame them?

It is what I would recommend if I was his agent.

[The Doctor]

Josh Bruce: 2023
Hayden Crozier: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/572617/three-more-years-for-crozier)
Bailey Williams: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/899103/williams-locked-in-at-the-kennel)
Laitham Vandermeer: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/928511?fbclid=IwAR1JQZg_-JiV-pAfzNd7NqQOP43F-9fskpEcIhfKruODaV_2K80x5puUGxo)
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/959503?fbclid=IwAR0wEvRwqjavwB0FoI2k31VZ577eRUm5N-JpTHJ5QJIjJbP3AaQbDZKsfxE) (Rookie)
Anthony Scott: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/993636?fbclid=IwAR2xviV3vwVvg1GD9sncVu88QkEXrS_3-pqcDxnG4vd1vkbyd6iBm7MbTIA) (Rookie)
Tim O'Brien: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1023914/bulldogs-land-free-agent-tim-o-brien)
Jordon Sweet: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1024309/sweet-signs-on)
Roarke Smith: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1024919/roarke-s-reward-smith-locked-in-until-2023) (Rookie)
Arthur Jones: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1033645/2021-afl-draft-pick-43-arthur-jones)
Luke Cleary: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1033720/2021-afl-draft-pick-61-luke-cleary)
Mitch Hannan: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)
Dominic Bedendo: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)
Buku Khamis: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)
Robbie McComb: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1210741/exciting-quartet-sign-on-at-bulldogs) (Rookie)
Cody Raak: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1210741/exciting-quartet-sign-on-at-bulldogs) (Rookie)
Toby McLean: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1210741/exciting-quartet-sign-on-at-bulldogs)
Alex Keath: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1172056/were-under-no-illusions-keath)
Taylor Duryea: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1242115/duryea-remains-in-red-white-and-blue)
Oskar Baker: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1254865/baker-crosses-to-the-kennel) (Rookie)



20 players remain out of contract for next year. Almost half the list. Who among them would be considered a priority signing?

[Hotdog60]

20 players remain out of contract for next year. Almost half the list. Who among them would be considered a priority signing?

I'm struggling to see who would be a must signing but that's not saying there are players there I wouldn't like to keep.
It's a list of players at the end of their careers and backup types plus some speculative that can be great potential but haven't played enough to tell.

[Grantysghost]

20 players remain out of contract for next year. Almost half the list. Who among them would be considered a priority signing?

You can clearly see Sam's process here and his list of priorities. It's not the dregs, however it's certainly the bottom end of the list.

Baker, Scott, Williams, Jones, Cleary, Keath I'd say are the ones I would definitely keep.

Vandermeer and McNeil next in line.

The rest. Hmm. Roarke, Buku, Toby, Sweet, Crozier, Bendendo nice to have I guess on short term deals or shop around.

Don't care about the others due to age/usefullness. (Duryea, Raak, McComb, TOB, Bruce).

[Bulldog Joe]

20 players remain out of contract for next year. Almost half the list. Who among them would be considered a priority signing?

From that list I would see Baker and Anthony Scott as definite re-signings, with Cleary my next priority.

While Khamis is showing some promise as a forward, he is well done the list in terms of getting games.

[DOG GOD]

Other than 3-4 players the rest are just plodders on this list. It really showcases our list at where it is imo.

[jazzadogs]

20 players remain out of contract for next year. Almost half the list. Who among them would be considered a priority signing?

I think we will definitely offer contracts to:
Bruce
Williams
Vdm
Scott
Sweet
Jones
Cleary
Hannan
Khamis
Baker

The rest are definitely still possible, but those 10 I see as being more likely than not.

[The Underdog]

AFL.com reporting that Arty has been offered a 2 year deal and expected to be finalised soon.

[bornadog]

AFL.com reporting that Arty has been offered a 2 year deal and expected to be finalised soon.

Good news for him

[Testekill]

Glad to have Richards locked in for another couple of years, you gotta feel that any team wanting some drive off of half back would be eyeing him off.

[bornadog]

Glad to have Richards locked in for another couple of years, you gotta feel that any team wanting some drive off of half back would be eyeing him off.

I always thought some how we wouldn't have him this long, especially with the Collingwood connection. Glad he is happy at the club and confident to extend his contract

[Happy Days]

AFL.com reporting that Arty has been offered a 2 year deal and expected to be finalised soon.

Positive vibes aside, the rate of improvement he?s shown in the last 12 months is more than enough reason to offer this deal up. Good stuff.

[azabob]

Good news for him

You must be somewhat more confident in Jones making an impact compared to last year?

[Stevo]

You must be somewhat more confident in Jones making an impact compared to last year?

Good memory. Attitudes towards players can change quickly.

[bornadog]

You must be somewhat more confident in Jones making an impact compared to last year?
As I said last year he had a long way to go, and I was right, he was never going to debut in his first year.

Good luck to him to continue developing.

[Axe Man]

Positive vibes aside, the rate of improvement he?s shown in the last 12 months is more than enough reason to offer this deal up. Good stuff.


As I said last year he had a long way to go, and I was right, he was never going to debut in his first year.

Good luck to him to continue developing.

I think Bevo said last week that Jones was still miles away pre Christmas so his improvement in the last 3-4 months has been outstanding. Hopefully some senior games and a contract will see him continue his upward trajectory.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtART_EaEAAFeC1?format=jpg&name=medium

[The Underdog]

Great news for the Clizzard. Hope he gets a few more games under his belt this year. Looks like 2 year extensions are the flavour.

[The Doctor]

Jeebus it's all happening "quick and fast" as my ol man would say.

Great news on Cleary with murmurings Arty soon to follow.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I both refuse to acknowledge the existence of this thread and simultaneously demand its creation!

Also, keep on truckin' Sam Power!

[EasternWest]

I both refuse to acknowledge the existence of this thread and simultaneously demand its creation!

Also, keep on truckin' Sam Power!

What thread?

[The Doctor]

wrong thread, sorry!

[azabob]

wrong thread, sorry!

excitement levels up for no reason... thanks DOC.

[bornadog]

Jones remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1311259/jones-remains-in-red-white-and-blue)

Exciting youngster Arthur Jones will remain in the red, white and blue for at least the next two years, after penning a contract extension this week.

The 19-year-old from Mount Barker, WA was drafted with pick 43 in the 2021 National Draft and is a product of WAFL side Claremont.

Jones broke through for his senior debut against Brisbane in round three and has played every game since so far.

Prior to his debut, Jones bided his time with Footscray in the VFL, playing 16 matches across his first season in red, white and blue.

Bulldogs? General Manager of List Management and Recruiting, Sam Power, said it was pleasing to lock Jones in for another two years.

?Arthur has had a taste of senior football this year and has shown some exciting qualities across the forward line with his pressure and pace,? Power said

?He has an infectious personality and loved team member that brings energy and enthusiasm to the group on and off the field.

?We look forward to Arthur running out in the red, white and blue for years to come.?

Jones has played three games in 2023, averaging six touches and two tackles per game to begin his career.

[Testekill]

FREE AGENT DOG AFTER SECURITY AT KENNELWestern Bulldogs free agent Bailey Williams is happy to wait until late in the season to assess his future despite his happiness at Whitten Oval.
When players hit free agency status rivals increase their interest given the ease with which they can poach them.
The Dogs have already locked away free agents including Tom Liberatore and Ryan Gardner but as a dependable rebounding defender Williams will have interest.
A longer-term deal given his free agency status rather than a huge contract is likely to keep him at the Dogs.
Ryan Gardner was able to secure three years given his free agency status so the model is there for a similar deal for Williams.








https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-afl-trade-news-all-the-latest-on-potential-2023-player-movement/news-story/f75444ea0b5cd16d7edc4b24a606b414


I suspect that Williams is SA bound at the end of the year, Seedsman is done via concussions and Adelaide would be keen on a ready wing replacement.

[azabob]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-afl-trade-news-all-the-latest-on-potential-2023-player-movement/news-story/f75444ea0b5cd16d7edc4b24a606b414


I suspect that Williams is SA bound at the end of the year, Seedsman is done via concussions and Adelaide would be keen on a ready wing replacement.

Gardner wasn't a free agent was he?

[Axe Man]

Gardner wasn't a free agent was he?

Previously delisted so that makes him a free agent every time he comes out of contract.

[Axe Man]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-afl-trade-news-all-the-latest-on-potential-2023-player-movement/news-story/f75444ea0b5cd16d7edc4b24a606b414


I suspect that Williams is SA bound at the end of the year, Seedsman is done via concussions and Adelaide would be keen on a ready wing replacement.

There may be some interest but I'm not sure they would be willing to offer massive overs. If we offer a similar deal he may be happy to stay.

[azabob]

Axeman, come years end who are you keeping?

My keeps are bolded.

Clearly we can't delist, trade etc the remaining 14 players but they whoever is signed should only be on a one year deal.

Of the unsigned I'd aim to turn over at least six players.

Josh Bruce: 2023
Hayden Crozier: 2023
Bailey Williams: 2023
Laitham Vandermeer: 2023
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (Rookie)
Anthony Scott: 2023 (Rookie)
Tim O'Brien: 2023
Jordon Sweet: 2023
Roarke Smith: 2023 (Rookie)
Mitch Hannan: 2023
Dominic Bedendo: 2023
Buku Khamis: 2023
Robbie McComb: 2023 (Rookie)
Cody Raak: 2023 (Rookie)
Toby McLean: 2023
Alex Keath: 2023
Taylor Duryea: 2023
Oskar Baker: 2023 (Rookie)
James O?Donnell: 2023 (Rookie)

[Axe Man]

Axeman, come years end who are you keeping?

My keeps are bolded.

Clearly we can't delist, trade etc the remaining 14 players but they whoever is signed should only be on a one year deal.

Of the unsigned I'd aim to turn over at least six players.

Josh Bruce: 2023
Hayden Crozier: 2023
Bailey Williams: 2023
Laitham Vandermeer: 2023
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (Rookie)
Anthony Scott: 2023 (Rookie)
Tim O'Brien: 2023
Jordon Sweet: 2023
Roarke Smith: 2023 (Rookie)
Mitch Hannan: 2023
Dominic Bedendo: 2023
Buku Khamis: 2023
Robbie McComb: 2023 (Rookie)
Cody Raak: 2023 (Rookie)
Toby McLean: 2023
Alex Keath: 2023
Taylor Duryea: 2023
Oskar Baker: 2023 (Rookie)
James O?Donnell: 2023 (Rookie)

I agree with your bolded players, although perhaps need to wait until the end of the season to make a call on Duryea given his age. Keath in the same boat.

O'Donnell would be close to a certainty to remain unless he is completely hopeless or not doing the right things.

Most of the others deserve more time to put their case forward, particularly those who have been injured - Vandermeer, Bedendo & Smith.

[azabob]

Hold onto your hats. Vandeermer has signed on for two more years.

[azabob]

Bulldogs’ utility Laith Vandermeer has put pen to paper on a new deal that will see his time extend at VU Whitten Oval until at least the end of 2025.

Drafted at Pick 37 in the 2018 National Draft, Vandermeer has played 33 games in the red, white and blue, kicking 19 goals, providing valuable speed and endurance around the ground.

The 24-year-old broke into the AFL side during the 2020 season, playing 12 games and earning the Chris Grant Best First Year player award in that same season.

The youngster was thrilled to remain at the Bulldogs for a further two seasons.

“I’m extremely pumped,” Vandermeer said.

“The way we are heading is looking very promising, it’s exciting to sign for a couple of years and be a part of something special.

“From a personal point of view, I’ve had a disappointing start (to 2023) due to injury, for the club to be able to back me in and have some belief this time of the year certainly keeps me going.”

“I just want to get better each week, particularly with the boys in good form, I’ve just got to play my role each week and put my hand up for selection."

Bulldogs’ GM of List Management and Recruiting, Sam Power, was pleased to lock away Vandermeer into the future.

“Over his first five years in the red, white and blue, Laith has displayed some really exciting attributes on the field that benefit the way the Bulldogs play,” Power said.

“Laith has played some important roles for the football club, including during the 2021 Finals Series, culminating in playing as the sub in the Grand Final.”

“Given Laith’s age and experience we feel he has plenty of improvement still left in him and we’re excited as a Club to see what he can produce in the next few seasons.

[bulldogtragic]

Hold onto your hats. Vandeermer has signed on for two more years.

I don’t like this. But good luck to him.

[Hotdog60]

He was one I had on the chopping board. I hope he can make something off the half back and his disposal improves better than his kicking for goal.
If LVM can stay on the park could we roll Bailey Dale through the middle for a bit of pace and better kicking %.

[hujsh]

Last chance. Really hope he can step into the HBF role as the likes of Dureya and JJ can only have so long left and Daniel is doing well as a mid.

[MrMahatma]

Pace is gold. Hopefully he can get some resilience in those legs. Worth holding on to.

[EasternWest]

Hold onto your hats. Vandeermer has signed on for two more years.

It's not the worst signing we've ever had but I don't see the point. As always, I hope to be proven wrong.

[DOG GOD]

I don’t like this. But good luck to him.
Same.
Feel very “Meh” about it tbh.

[Grantysghost]

I like Laith so happy days.

[macca]

VDM could be candidate to replace Duryea when he retires.

Im not convinced on VDM as a footballer ( skills) and durability (physically)

But the Coaches should know what they are doing

24 years old , there is a growing gap in our list of mid-20s players we recruited who don't make it.

[Grantysghost]

VDM could be candidate to replace Duryea when he retires.

Im not convinced on VDM as a footballer ( skills) and durability (physically)

But the Coaches should know what they are doing

24 years old , there is a growing gap in our list of mid-20s players we recruited who don't make it.

How does Duryea still get a game ? Seems to escape any scrutiny.

[GVGjr]

VDM could be candidate to replace Duryea when he retires.

Im not convinced on VDM as a footballer ( skills) and durability (physically)

But the Coaches should know what they are doing

24 years old , there is a growing gap in our list of mid-20s players we recruited who don't make it.

There is a chance that could happen but they're very different players.
I agree that his durability hasn't been impressive so I guess we factored that into the deal.
The other think that concerns me with Vandermeer is the way he rushes his decision making. He would need to improve that substantially to become Duryea's replacement.

[hujsh]

VDM could be candidate to replace Duryea when he retires.

Im not convinced on VDM as a footballer ( skills) and durability (physically)

But the Coaches should know what they are doing

24 years old , there is a growing gap in our list of mid-20s players we recruited who don't make it.

That's older than I thought... at his age he should be best 22. And he just got 2 years. **** we're generous with contract length.

[bulldogtragic]

That's older than I thought... at his age he should be best 22. And he just got 2 years. **** we're generous with contract length.

Maybe if I ask really nicely I can get a year or two. I’m happy with Cat B.

[EasternWest]

Maybe if I ask really nicely I can get a year or two. I’m happy with Cat B.

Get in line

[Testekill]

For someone so injury prone it's weird that we're both going so early in the season and going two years.

[soupman]

I'm not annoyed he's been extended, he is clearly rated by the MC and could potentially fill a few different roles for us to at least an ok standard, and has a clear point of difference to the rest of the list (speed).

I am annoyed this is a continuation of us just handing out years willy nilly to fringe players though. West still has a year to run and has never looked further away from being an AFL footballer, I don't expect us to fall out of love with Vandermeer prior to next season but it's definitely a possibility by this time next year.

[macca]

That's older than I thought... at his age he should be best 22. And he just got 2 years. **** we're generous with contract length.

I did not want to say it but this has kinda got an eker feel to it.
drafted 2018
33 games for 24 years old , so heading into this 5th year of AFL now + 2 more years to go with this contract!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

2 years for VDM is silly and not necessary.

[GVGjr]

I'm not annoyed he's been extended, he is clearly rated by the MC and could potentially fill a few different roles for us to at least an ok standard, and has a clear point of difference to the rest of the list (speed).

I am annoyed this is a continuation of us just handing out years willy nilly to fringe players though. West still has a year to run and has never looked further away from being an AFL footballer, I don't expect us to fall out of love with Vandermeer prior to next season but it's definitely a possibility by this time next year.

It's been a problem with Bevo with holding on to players a year or two too long. I stated in the list management thread that if fit VDM should be offered a 1 or 2 year deal so if it's weighted just a bit to the number of games played in his 2nd year it might not be a bad contract for us.
I know from watching him train he does do the work so if he can get a good run at it then he might make it.

[macca]

It's been a problem with Bevo with holding on to players a year or two too long. I stated in the list management thread that if fit VDM should be offered a 1 or 2 year deal so if it's weighted just a bit to the number of games played in his 2nd year it might not be a bad contract for us.
I know from watching him train he does do the work so if he can get a good run at it then he might make it.

I have not seen him play live , but does he look like a natural footballer? i.e reads the play, knows how to get in the right positions ?
As you can't see where players run on TV, who they block or tackle for , all this sort of stuff off screen.

he has the same kicking disease as the rest of the team .

footywire stats:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-western-bulldogs--laitham-vandermeer

vs

Lachlan schultz : https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-fremantle-dockers--lachlan-schultz

drafted same year, Schultz x2, matches , leading in all areas, excepts stats are similar : for CA, I50, CL, R50.

what does CG mean?


VDM Schultz
GM 33* 78
K 5.3 7.6
H 4.5 4.4
D 9.8 12
M 2.5 3.8
G 0.6 1.1
B 0.6 0.7
T 2.1 2.9
HO 0 0
FF 0.6 1
FA 0.7 1.1
GA 0.6 0.6
I50 2.4 2.1
CL 0.4 0.4
CG 2 2.7
R50 0.3 0.4

My point is Schultz is a good player and that is the standard we should try to be retaining. Do we keep VDM for another 2 years so he potentially reach that standard or use that list spot for another potential candidate ? More hope than actually this happening as so many parameters to become a good and durable footy player and sometimes its just not getting injured!

[G-Mo77]

2 years for VDM is silly and not necessary.

Has he even played this season? Why are we so quick to extend an injury prone player who has managed only 30+ games in 5 seasons?

[azabob]

How does Duryea still get a game ? Seems to escape any scrutiny.

Legit questions;
Who is putting pressure on Duyrea as our small lockdown defender? Who is showing leadership in the backline outside of their own game?

[GVGjr]

Has he even played this season? Why are we so quick to extend an injury prone player who has managed only 30+ games in 5 seasons?

He hasn't played senior footy this year and while I thought he deserved a deal I get why some would be a bit frustrated with signing up a player who's had injury challenges over a number of seasons. The fact that he played those 30+ games at around 10 per season in the previous 3 years probably highlights that the coaches think he's good enough when fit. Ironically his best year in terms of games played was the shortened season back in 2020 of 12 games out of 17.
We've tried him in a few positions as well so I'd like to know how confident we are that he can be turned into a somewhat regular senior player for us.

[Grantysghost]

Legit questions;
Who is putting pressure on Duyrea as our small lockdown defender? Who is showing leadership in the backline outside of their own game?

Second part Jones.

First part, no one unfortunately maybe Cleary and Poulter. Does Taylor lock down ?

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FypJmqmagAE5CBC?format=jpg&name=medium

[bornadog]

SECOND-CHANCE BULLDOG EYES EXTENSION (https://www.afl.com.au/news/953878/cat-close-to-new-deal-bombers-made-to-wait-pie-in-talksx)


WESTERN Bulldogs rookie Oskar Baker is eyeing a contract extension after playing every game so far for the club since crossing from Melbourne.

The speedy wingman joined the Dogs as a pre-season supplemental selection period signing last December after being delisted by Melbourne.

Discussions are underway for a new contract beyond this season, with his current one-year deal in place for 2023.

The former Demon has taken his second chance at an AFL career, playing all 14 games so far this season and impressing.

Baker crossed to the Dogs after playing 15 games across five seasons for Melbourne, having been drafted from Queensland.

He has averaged 14 disposals this season and added some more run to the Dogs' mix, and recently gathered 22 disposals against Geelong in round 12. He started his season with a goal in each of the first three games of the Bulldogs' campaign. – Callum Twomey

[EasternWest]

Started really well and has tailed off a lot but happy to extend him. Definitely has some traits we lack, including a bit of aggro.

[bulldogtragic]

We can keep him on the rookie list for another (up to) two years. Seems a low risk option from a list perspective. Not to mention Roarke, McNeil & Scott need to be delisted or promoted so there’s plenty of rookie list spots in a few months. That’s assuming McComb and Poulter are there next year too.

[bornadog]

We can keep him on the rookie list for another (up to) two years. Seems a low risk option from a list perspective. Not to mention Roarke, McNeil & Scott need to be delisted or promoted so there’s plenty of rookie list spots in a few months. That’s assuming McComb and Poulter are there next year too.

I really can't see why we would keep McComb

[bulldogtragic]

I really can't see why we would keep McComb

Me neither. Just opens up a fourth rookie spot which makes it beyond a no brainer to keep/extend Baker on the rookie list.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I can see why we would be talking big money for English. He is not worth mitre than Bont. Absolutely worth more then Naughton so my thoughts are Bont 1m, English 850k-900k trade Naughton get as much as you can as his value is behind Bont and English. JUH, Darcy, Weightman and Arty will be the goods so Naughts is surplus to our needs.

Stick o your guns Power. This could be an interesting off season

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I can see why we would be talking big money for English. He is not worth mitre than Bont. Absolutely worth more then Naughton so my thoughts are Bont 1m, English 850k-900k trade Naughton get as much as you can as his value is behind Bont and English. JUH, Darcy, Weightman and Arty will be the goods so Naughts is surplus to our needs.

Stick o your guns Power. This could be an interesting off season

I'd trade English ten times over before Naughton.

[macca]

We would be in dissray if English go , as his the Hybrid ruck ( less ruck more hybrid) type that Bevo needs
I can see some of our midfields playing ruck.

[josie]

Naughton is competitive as they come, amazing at ground level, popular with the group and one of the most popular with supporters, a reasonable goal kicker and a marking excitement machine. The type of player you go to watch and do something special.

I think English has come a long way and would much prefer to keep him than lose him but I don?t think he is worth more than Naughts $ wise, marketing wise or playing wise either. Bevo may need to change his ruck philosophy if English leaves and he can?t find what he wants.

Given all the time, effort and faith put into English I?ll be a bit upset with him if he leaves after offering him what I?m sure will be a decent contract, even though I do understand footy careers are short and so money is an important factor.

[Axe Man]

Baker to stay a Bulldog (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1378335/baker-to-stay-a-bulldog)

Western Bulldogs wingman Oskar Baker has put pen to paper on a two-year contract extension, tying him to the Kennel until at least 2025.

Baker was added to the Bulldogs? list on the opening day of last year?s pre-season supplementary selection period, following a five-season stint at Melbourne.

He made his red, white and blue debut in the opening round against his former Club, impressing with his speed, agility and versatility to retain his spot for the next 13 rounds.

?I?m absolutely stoked ? it?s funny how in nine months things can change, but I?ve really enjoyed the year here so far,? Baker said.

?I?m looking forward to two more in the red, white and blue.

?I think (the fresh start) has done wonders for me and my football. I?ve loved every minute of my time here so far.

?It was a massive positive for me to play the first 14 games. I took a lot out of that and will do what I can outside of the team to look forward to trying to get back into the team when they need me.?

Bulldogs? GM of List Management and Recruiting, Sam Power, said the contract extension was great reward for the 25-year-old.

?Oskar?s ability to play an important role on the wing and use his speed has been a hallmark of his first six months at the Bulldogs,? Power said.

?He has built strong relationships within the player group and having played less than 30 games; we see a lot of growth and upside in Oskar?s game.?

Baker joins the likes of Ed Richards, Sam Darcy, Cody Weightman, Ryan Gardner and Laith Vandermeer to commit to the Bulldogs this season.

[G-Mo77]

2 years? He can't even get a game now and didn't look close on Saturday either.

[Grantysghost]

2 years seems pretty generous.

[azabob]

2 years? He can't even get a game now and didn't look close on Saturday either.

I'd be questioning this is his 6th year in the system.

[G-Mo77]

I'd be questioning this is his 6th year in the system.

It's not like we would have had numerous clubs salivating over him. Just leave it until the end of the season and offer it if he improves, make them work for it. VDM and now Baker, 2 year deals on the back of mediocrity.

[GVGjr]

2 years? He can't even get a game now and didn't look close on Saturday either.

Not every player with a contract is necessarily best 22 for the season. 2 years seems a fair time for him to establish himself with us.

[bornadog]

Not every player with a contract is necessarily best 22 for the season. 2 years seems a fair time for him to establish himself with us.

Does worry me at all. 25 Years old should start to hit his peak.

[GVGjr]

Does worry me at all. 25 Years old should start to hit his peak.

His best has been good enough and we just need to see some more consistency. It's early days but he and Poulter look like they can fill a couple of roles for us.

[G-Mo77]

Not every player with a contract is necessarily best 22 for the season. 2 years seems a fair time for him to establish himself with us.

Nothing wrong with making him earn 2 more years, seems premature to me.

[Mofra]

I probably would have gone 1, but he can play a role and I assume he'd be on base.

[GVGjr]

Nothing wrong with making him earn 2 more years, seems premature to me.

I get both sides of the argument but it's not like you can really have 15 players on one year deals.
I just don't think Baker on a 2 year deal is much of a list management problem for us.

[G-Mo77]

I get both sides of the argument but it's not like you can really have 15 players on one year deals.
I just don't think Baker on a 2 year deal is much of a list management problem for us.

It's not until it is. We probably thought the same when we gave the likes of Hannan a contract. I wouldn't have given him 1 year mate, I would have waited until the end of season.

[bulldogtragic]

I probably would have gone 1, but he can play a role and I assume he'd be on base.

I can be convinced this is ok, on the above (base salary) and that he remains those two years on the rookie list (where base salary isn’t included in the TPP). If that’s the case, I wouldve still done one year, but can live with this scenario. Although still a bit confused why we are so generous with our contracts. But it’s not ‘that’ bad, if the scenario is correct.

[jazzadogs]

1 with a games trigger for a second? I think whether it was one or two years he is on base wage either way, so I struggle to see how we could be saving money by spreading it across two years.

Regardless, I'm glad he's staying at the club.

[Axe Man]

DOGS FREE AGENT CLOSE TO SIGNING (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-the-latest-contract-updates-and-trade-news-in-the-afl/news-story/7d6fe78965b728de1444b7064dc5a437)

Western Bulldogs free agent Bailey Williams is weeks away from securing a new deal.

Amid speculation about Bailey Smith’s future, Williams has had a strong year on the opposite wing averaging 18 possessions as a hard-running utility.

He is keen to stay and talks are progressing strongly, with the Dogs playing Williams and Caleb Poulter on their wings with Smith as a high half forward against Collingwood.

The Dogs on Tuesday locked in former Melbourne wingman Oskar Baker after securing him as a summer rookie last year.

He has been handed a two-year contract extension to 2025.

[GVGjr]

It's not until it is. We probably thought the same when we gave the likes of Hannan a contract. I wouldn't have given him 1 year mate, I would have waited until the end of season.

Do you look at this with the same sort of mindset of what sometimes happens in the NBA?
If he is signing for a modest base with incentives for senior appearances I don't see it as much of a risk.

[Grantysghost]

DOGS FREE AGENT CLOSE TO SIGNING (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-the-latest-contract-updates-and-trade-news-in-the-afl/news-story/7d6fe78965b728de1444b7064dc5a437)

Western Bulldogs free agent Bailey Williams is weeks away from securing a new deal.

Amid speculation about Bailey Smith’s future, Williams has had a strong year on the opposite wing averaging 18 possessions as a hard-running utility.

He is keen to stay and talks are progressing strongly, with the Dogs playing Williams and Caleb Poulter on their wings with Smith as a high half forward against Collingwood.

The Dogs on Tuesday locked in former Melbourne wingman Oskar Baker after securing him as a summer rookie last year.

He has been handed a two-year contract extension to 2025.

Mein Gott - they just want to put Bailey into everything.

He's not playing wing much you flogs.

[Axe Man]

Mein Gott - they just want to put Bailey into everything.

He's not playing wing much you flogs.

They (HUN) also gave 'Corey Weightman' 1 vote for the Collingwood game. I'm not even sure how Cody would have managed a vote, never mind Corey.