Player Contract Status

[Grantysghost]

They (HUN) also gave 'Corey Weightman' 1 vote for the Collingwood game. I'm not even sure how Cody would have managed a vote, never mind Corey.

Face-palm

[G-Mo77]

Do you look at this with the same sort of mindset of what sometimes happens in the NBA?
If he is signing for a modest base with incentives for senior appearances I don't see it as much of a risk.

Hard to compare as they can just cut them from the roster or trade the player/contract out at any time, there is more flexibility. I just think it was far to premature, he was a delisted free agent signing, there would be virtually no team interested in signing him and he's been on the outer for a few weeks now. I really see no issue in making him earn this deal during the season and rewarding him if he performs after the season is over

[mjp]

They (HUN) also gave 'Corey Weightman' 1 vote for the Collingwood game. I'm not even sure how Cody would have managed a vote, never mind Corey.

Well, Cody did kick 4 goals. That's pretty close to being in the votes for me!

[Axe Man]

Well, Cody did kick 4 goals. That's pretty close to being in the votes for me!

It was Daicos 3, Quaynor 2 and "Corey" 1. Cody was good but I'm not sure he was our best and his direct opponent was also close to best on. He didn't feature in the coaches votes whereas Marra, Naughton and Bont did. Elliot probably shaded him as well.

[Bulldog Joe]

I probably would have gone 1, but he can play a role and I assume he'd be on base.

This is spot on.

We need players capable of being around the top 30 on base salary so we can afford to pay and retain the top end.

[EasternWest]

Well, Cody did kick 4 goals. That's pretty close to being in the votes for me!

You've never raised this issue before

[Mantis]

Alex Keath has signed a new 1yr deal for 2024.

[JanLorMill]

Alex Keath has signed a new 1yr deal for 2024.
I’m over our signings this year. This could have waited til we had no other options. He has played reserves this year and last. He has looked past it at times too.

[azabob]

Alex Keath has signed a new 1yr deal for 2024.

I guess it was either him or Bruce.

[azabob]

I’m over our signings this year. This could have waited til we had no other options. He has played reserves this year and last. He has looked past it at times too.

Agree with this. This says more about our list management than Alex Keath

[bornadog]

I’m over our signings this year. This could have waited til we had no other options. He has played reserves this year and last. He has looked past it at times too.

He needs to just be a backup and not play as best 22, unfortunately we don't have many options unless we play a 19 year old Buzz

[bulldogtragic]

Why isn’t my Cat B contract request being approved?

[GVGjr]

Alex Keath has signed a new 1yr deal for 2024.
I'm okay with that from a purely depth perspective but it probably makes it harder for Josh Bruce.

[hujsh]

I'm okay with that from a purely depth perspective but it probably makes it harder for Josh Bruce.

Yes if we have Jones, Keath, Gardner with JOD and Buzz in defence and Marra, Naughts, Darcy, Lobb and possibly Croft as forwards there's not really space for Bruce at either end.

[G-Mo77]

Nope, don't like it. Like I said with Baker signing on for 2 years. Why now? These guys aren't going to be taken away from us, no one would be interested so why are we signing over list spots in 2024 and beyond so quickly? Finish the season, explore Draft, FA and trade avenues then sign your fringe players.

[azabob]

Does anyone know for sure what Rory Lobb's contract length is?

Woof thinks three years but I keep reading four years in the media. At the time I thought it was four years and his salary spread out of the term.

[bulldogtragic]

Does anyone know for sure what Rory Lobb's contract length is?

Woof thinks three years but I keep reading four years in the media. At the time I thought it was four years and his salary spread out of the term.

Footywire - for what it’s worth, sometimes gets it wrong - has him with us for another three seasons.

[GVGjr]

Does anyone know for sure what Rory Lobb's contract length is?

Woof thinks three years but I keep reading four years in the media. At the time I thought it was four years and his salary spread out of the term.

Not 100% certain but I believe he's contracted until the end of 2026.

[bornadog]

Does anyone know for sure what Rory Lobb's contract length is?

Woof thinks three years but I keep reading four years in the media. At the time I thought it was four years and his salary spread out of the term.

Pretty sure three years. Foxfooty reports 3 here (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/afl-2023-rory-lobb-struggles-video-western-bulldogs-trade-contract-latest-news/news-story/9a9f58643d19039dfb50c9a586a9c1d3)

[GVGjr]

Pretty sure three years. Foxfooty reports 3 here (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/afl-2023-rory-lobb-struggles-video-western-bulldogs-trade-contract-latest-news/news-story/9a9f58643d19039dfb50c9a586a9c1d3)

I hope that is correct.

[Bullies]

Pretty sure three years. Foxfooty reports 3 here (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/afl-2023-rory-lobb-struggles-video-western-bulldogs-trade-contract-latest-news/news-story/9a9f58643d19039dfb50c9a586a9c1d3) I think they offered him 4 years on the orignal deal if he was able to be released on his Freo contract early but they made him stay for the extra year.

[GVGjr]

Just saw on Twitter that Anthony Scott will get a two year deal.

[bulldogtragic]

Just saw on Twitter that Anthony Scott will get a two year deal.

Good for him. Upgraded he is.

Now the other two at the end of their three years: Roarke & McNeil?

[Grantysghost]

What's the story with Treloar is this the last year the pies pay some of his contract?

[bulldogtragic]

What's the story with Treloar is this the last year the pies pay some of his contract?

From memory it was every year. Unless it was front loaded. It was $300,000 for each season.

[azabob]

Just saw on Twitter that Anthony Scott will get a two year deal.

Thanks for this. I really like Scott as a player, have since day one.

He is one bloke on our list that knows his limitations and his team first attitude is second to none. The way he has plugged holes all over the ground can't be undersold.

Gut feel also is he he nails most of his opportunities in front of goal!!

[bulldogtragic]

Thanks for this. I really like Scott as a player, have since day one.

He is one bloke on our list that knows his limitations and his team first attitude is second to none. The way he has plugged holes all over the ground can't be undersold.

Gut feel also is he he nails most of his opportunities in front of goal!!

I love how we didn’t fully protect himself to look after Bont. If he fully protected himself he could’ve really (accidentally) done real damage to Bont. Anyone who puts the safety of others over themselves gets a big tick from me.

Except super rich fire fighters.

[Jeanette54]

I see that the Sun is once again running with the Bailey Smith to Geelong story, this morning. Seems they won't be satisfied until they make it happen.

[bulldogtragic]

I see that the Sun is once again running with the Bailey Smith to Geelong story, this morning. Seems they won't be satisfied until they make it happen.

Let them. He’s under contract. They have to write some BS and ‘Smith gets the clicks’.

[bornadog]

Thanks for this. I really like Scott as a player, have since day one.

He is one bloke on our list that knows his limitations and his team first attitude is second to none. The way he has plugged holes all over the ground can't be undersold.

Gut feel also is he he nails most of his opportunities in front of goal!!

Yes, I have been on board the Scott train. He is a tough bugger, and a beautiful kick of the footy.

Deserves his contract.

[angelopetraglia]

Scott now official https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1400654/scott-remains-a-bulldog

"Utility Anthony Scott has extended his time at the Kennel, signing on for a further two seasons at the Western Bulldogs. The contract extension will tie Scott to the Club until at least the end of the 2025 season."

[jeemak]

Where am I?

[EasternWest]

Where am I?

Just close your eyes and you'll wake up back in reality where none of this happened.

[angelopetraglia]

Jon Ralph reporting Bailey Williams has signed a three year contract extension.

[Grantysghost]

Jon Ralph reporting Bailey Williams has signed a three year contract extension.

Crap. Wrong Bailey.

Plus, sorry I think I've entered the twilight zone or the Bermuda triangle. Something feels off here.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Anyone else have an issue on this thread where the text is illegible?

Ah don't worry I'll just pretend it doesn't exist.

[ledge]

Caro saying smith going to hawthorn I’ve been told, but Ralphy saying no one’s leaving. Talk about media hedging their bets .

[Hotdog60]

Hey Axe, I was going over the contract status with my son and it's not up to date. The one year signing are there and Williams. Or aren't they official yet.
Great thread just ignore the nay sayers. :)

[azabob]

Hey Axe, I was going over the contract status with my son and it's not up to date. The one year signing are there and Williams. Or aren't they official yet.
Great thread just ignore the nay sayers. :)

Nothing official on Williams.

[azabob]

Keath is officially signed for 2024.

[Grantysghost]

Keath is officially signed for 2024

https://media.giphy.com/media/v0eHX3n28wvoQ/giphy.gif

[bulldogtragic]

Keath is officially signed for 2024.

Great now for Doc & TOB. I think Bruce called time too early, could’ve got another season.

[bornadog]

Keath is officially signed for 2024.

Hopefully depth only and Buss gets alot of games.

[Sedat]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v0eHX3n28wvoQ/giphy.gif
Palestinian Chicken episode! One of the great TV moments of all time :D

[Grantysghost]

Palestinian Chicken episode! One of the great TV moments of all time :D

Funkman! When he's sitting downstairs listening to that....

Larry comes down.

Problem?

I think he quotes the scarlet pimpernel as he walks down... One of the greats.

Oh and he takes off Funkmans yarmulke in the car park xD

[Sedat]

Funkman! When he's sitting downstairs listening to that....

Larry comes down.

Problem?

I think he quotes the scarlet pimpernel as he walks down... One of the greats.

Oh and he takes off Funkmans yarmulke in the car park xD
RIP Funkman - imagine having that much talent sitting there as comedy back-up.

Every time I hear his name the first words that come to mind are...."wanna hear a joke" :D

[bulldogtragic]

RIP Funkman - imagine having that much talent sitting there as comedy back-up.

Every time I hear his name the first words that come to mind are...."wanna hear a joke" :D

p.s. your…


I went to check the sex talk quote in PC episode. God that?s hilarious. I can?t cut and paste it for fear of a ban, but where the **** does LD come up with that stuff. The follow up convo is hilarious too. I think that sex talk and the infamous joke from Funk to Seinfeld are the two hardest laughs I can remember from a tv show. It?s just stuff you don?t expect from TV shows.

[Grantysghost]

Mitch Hannan has left, not offered a contract.

Let the games begin!

[Grantysghost]

RIP Funkman - imagine having that much talent sitting there as comedy back-up.

Every time I hear his name the first words that come to mind are...."wanna hear a joke" :D

Oh that liver joke to Jerry. His reaction seemed genuine!

[hujsh]

Mitch Hannan has left, not offered a contract.

Let the games begin!

Oh ho? Not expecting that. A start

[Grantysghost]

Oh ho? Not expecting that. A start

Same. I think some players will be worried.

[bornadog]

Mitch Hannan has left, not offered a contract.

Let the games begin!
let’s get serious

[angelopetraglia]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1419142/hannan-departs-bulldogs

Western Bulldogs utility Mitch Hannan has been advised that he will not be offered a contract for the 2024 season.

The 29-year-old arrived at the Kennel after crossing from Melbourne in 2020. He was traded to the red, white and blue for a third-round draft selection.

Hannan played 30 games for the Dogs across three seasons, kicking 21 goals and playing in the 2021 AFL Grand Final.

The Footscray Premiership player could only manage six senior games this season as injuries took their toll, including a season-ending ruptured Achilles he sustained in the VFL.

Bulldogs’ General Manager of List and Recruiting Sam Power thanked Hannan for his contribution during his time at VU Whitten Oval.

“Mitch has contributed strongly across his time at the Bulldogs, highlighted by playing a pivotal role in the Club’s push towards the Grand Final in 2021,” Power said.

“He’s been a fantastic team-mate inside the locker room, and we wish him all the best for the next stage of his career.”

[bulldogtragic]

Well that was the inevitable bust predicted at the time.

At least they made one quick decision. That’s a positive, but they should’ve added a few more with it.

[angelopetraglia]

Has someone posted latetly the full list of players who currently don't have a contract for next season?

[bornadog]

Well that was the inevitable bust predicted at the time.

At least they made one quick decision. That’s a positive, but they should’ve added a few more with it.

I wonder if he plays this weekend? or is he injured and it's goodbye

[angelopetraglia]

I wonder if he plays this weekend? or is he injured and it's goodbye

He ruptured his achillies heel. He is not playing anytime soon.

[bulldogtragic]

I wonder if he plays this weekend? or is he injured and it's goodbye

He’s out for next year.

[GVGjr]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1419142/hannan-departs-bulldogs

Western Bulldogs utility Mitch Hannan has been advised that he will not be offered a contract for the 2024 season.

The 29-year-old arrived at the Kennel after crossing from Melbourne in 2020. He was traded to the red, white and blue for a third-round draft selection.

Hannan played 30 games for the Dogs across three seasons, kicking 21 goals and playing in the 2021 AFL Grand Final.

The Footscray Premiership player could only manage six senior games this season as injuries took their toll, including a season-ending ruptured Achilles he sustained in the VFL.

Bulldogs’ General Manager of List and Recruiting Sam Power thanked Hannan for his contribution during his time at VU Whitten Oval.

“Mitch has contributed strongly across his time at the Bulldogs, highlighted by playing a pivotal role in the Club’s push towards the Grand Final in 2021,” Power said.

“He’s been a fantastic team-mate inside the locker room, and we wish him all the best for the next stage of his career.”

He was close to being an AFL standard player and injuries probably kept him from establishing himself at both the Dees and us.
Heard him speak at the players sponsors room a while back and a very intelligent guy. He will do well outside of footy.

[bornadog]

He was close to being an AFL standard player and injuries probably kept him from establishing himself at both the Dees and us.
Heard him speak at the players sponsors room a while back and a very intelligent guy. He will do well outside of footy.

Wish him all the best.

[whythelongface]

Wish him all the best.

Yes absolutely. Really liked Mitch. Gave it his all.

[G-Mo77]

Fond memories of the Footscray VFL days with Longy. I wanted to draft both players. Wish him a speedy recovery and hope that he can play footy again next season.

[ledge]

I think he was out injured next year anyway. I thought he was going to get delisted no matter what.
A likeable guy but just that inch away in talent from being an AFL regular . Tease you with a few highlights but never got consistency.
Very much like Gowers in that respect.

[Axe Man]

He?s out for next year.

Achilles ruptures aren't usually 12 month injuries, he should be back playing somewhere (if he wishes to) next year. I assume the club will still assist in his rehab.

[Sedat]

It's mind-blowing now to think that Mitch Hannan, Roarke Smith, Josh Schache and a 55yo Stef Martin held together by gaffatape were about 8 minutes of composed tempo footy away from being premiership players less than 2 years ago.

[azabob]

Josh Bruce: 2023

Alex Keath: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1172056/were-under-no-illusions-keath)
]

Axe Man can you update the Keath news? https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1387262/keath-extends-until-2024

Also Bruce has retired.

[bulldogtragic]

Axe Man can you update the Keath news? https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1387262/keath-extends-until-2024

Also Bruce has retired.

These posts are how savvy moderators of this thread have palmed off responsibility in the past?

I wish you well in taking it over Aza.

[azabob]

These posts are how savvy moderators of this thread have palmed off responsibility in the past?

I wish you well in taking it over Aza.

I heard your sabbatical from woof was due to an extra long pre season with a view to take this mantel back.

[bulldogtragic]

I heard your sabbatical from woof was due to an extra long pre season with a view to take this mantel back.

Hard pass.

[Axe Man]

Axe Man can you update the Keath news? https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1387262/keath-extends-until-2024

Also Bruce has retired.

Thanks - missed the Keath one when I was away, I did ask if there were any announcements I had overlooked.

[EasternWest]

It's mind-blowing now to think that Mitch Hannan, Roarke Smith, Josh Schache and a 55yo Stef Martin held together by gaffatape were about 8 minutes of composed tempo footy away from being premiership players less than 2 years ago.

And Roarke Smith was one of our best on the day.

[Grantysghost]

And Roarke Smith was one of our best on the day.

Proves it wasn't a real season.

[Sedat]

And Roarke Smith was one of our best on the day.
He was even better in the PF demolition over Port a week earlier.

If he is delisted this year, I will be sad but understand completely. I've loved his story of adversity, and his ability know exactly what his role required for the betterment of the team.

[angelopetraglia]

And Roarke Smith was one of our best on the day.

First goal. Beat a few Demons in this passage https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1441697513887596549?s=20

[Hotdog60]

The good thing about that bit of play was he cleaned up May in the process. :)

[angelopetraglia]

Interesting looking back at that 2021 Grand Final team. 12 of them didn't play in the last round against Geelong.

[EasternWest]

Proves it wasn't a real season.

Uncharitable.

What more does a role player who always gave his all have to do to earn your love?

[MrMahatma]

First goal. Beat a few Demons in this passage https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1441697513887596549?s=20

I think that?s the first clip/highlight I?ve watched of that match since the night.

I actually feel a little ill.

Great goal though.

[Grantysghost]

I think that?s the first clip/highlight I?ve watched of that match since the night.

I actually feel a little ill.

Great goal though.

Same.

[Grantysghost]

Uncharitable.

What more does a role player who always gave his all have to do to earn your love?

Do it in a real season. That was tongue in cheek...i love Rourke.

[angelopetraglia]

Bulldogs wingman signs new deal after mid-season lifeline

MID-SEASON recruit Caleb Poulter has signed a two-year contract extension just three months after earning a second chance at the Western Bulldogs.

The 20-year-old earned a shot in Luke Beveridge's side for the first time in round 16 and held his spot across the final nine games of the season.

Poulter was delisted by Collingwood at the end of 2022 after managing 12 appearances across two seasons.

The South Australian signed with Footscray in the VFL rather than returning home and was rewarded for that decision when the Bulldogs selected him at pick No.10 in June's Mid-Season Rookie Draft.

With Lachie Hunter departing during last year's trade period, Poulter grasped a vacant spot on the wing in the closing stages of the season, producing patches that showed he can play a role in 2024 and beyond.

With his AFL season over, Poulter starred in Footscray's 79-point VFL win over Casey on Saturday, collecting 27 disposals, 15 marks and three goals at Box Hill City Oval.

The Dogs have made two list changes to date with Josh Bruce retiring after tearing his anterior cruciate ligament and Mitch Hannan not earning another contract after rupturing his Achilles tendon in August.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I have some concerns on Poulter, but he's deserving of a chance and has some nice attributes. Good luck to him.

[bulldogtragic]

Rookie spot. Minimum wage.

We’ve done plenty worse. Let’s see if he can tidy his game up a bit.

[GVGjr]

I have some concerns on Poulter, but he's deserving of a chance and has some nice attributes. Good luck to him.

He's got a lot to improve on and for me he doesn't quite read the play that well. On occasions he handballs to when his team are not where they're going to be when the ball arrives causing them to stop and come under more pressure from the opposition.

Lets see how he goes with another full pre-season behind him.

[macca]

He's got a lot to improve on and for me he doesn't quite read the play that well. On occasions he handballs to when his team are not where they're going to be when the ball arrives causing them to stop and come under more pressure from the opposition.

Lets see how he goes with another full pre-season behind him.

I noticed that as well in a few games his played in the WC game on 2 occasions which I watched live.

I am very positive on him as he got some good basic skills you can work on.
I think with say 5%-10?% improvement he could be a good solid player .

[GVGjr]

I noticed that as well in a few games his played in the WC game on 2 occassions which I watched live.

I am very positive on him as he got some got some good basics.
I think with say 5%-10?% improvement he could be a good solid player .

We should be confident that he's been a good selection and that he's got scope to improve but like a lot of youngsters he's got some areas to focus on.

[Bullies]

We should be confident that he's been a good selection and that he's got scope to improve but like a lot of youngsters he's got some areas to focus on. Jury definitely out on this one. Hopefully to be proven wrong but like a lot of supporters just not sure. Has a penetrating left foot but it his decision making that is a great concern. Looks at home in the 2's but when he goes to the next level just not so sure.

[bornadog]

Jury definitely out on this one. Hopefully to be proven wrong but like a lot of supporters just not sure. Has a penetrating left foot but it his decision making that is a great concern. Looks at home in the 2's but when he goes to the next level just not so sure.

Well I thought he did ok considering he joined the seniors late in the season and he had to learn the game plan and the way his team mates play.

He is only 20 years old and played 20 games plus 1 as sub. Let's see how he goes next year after a full preseason with the seniors.

[azabob]

Well I thought he did ok considering he joined the seniors late in the season and he had to learn the game plan and the way his team mates play.

He is only 20 years old and played 20 games plus 1 as sub. Let's see how he goes next year after a full preseason with the seniors.

The thing with Poulter, he did miss his teammates but to my naked eye more often than not I thought that is where his teammate should’ve been. He loves to run forward and always have the ball moving forward. He isn’t one for going backwards or sideways.

[Bullies]

The thing with Poulter, he did miss his teammates but to my naked eye more often than not I thought that is where his teammate should’ve been. He loves to run forward and always have the ball moving forward. He isn’t one for going backwards or sideways. He certainly didn't go back on Saturday playing on the wing. His opponent kicked 5 goals.

[azabob]

He certainly didn't go back on Saturday playing on the wing. His opponent kicked 5 goals.

Very true. I think we needed to sign him, we have a few wingman on our list but all have significant flaws.

Hopefully with a pre season under his belt he will understand our game plan and help with his decision making.

[Sedat]

Truck signed on for 4 years to end 2027. Good result, he has a lot of talent.

[whythelongface]

Truck signed on for 4 years to end 2027. Good result, he has a lot of talent.

That is great news. Was concerned he wouldn’t be with us. At 25 has lots of good years ahead. Just needs to be more consistent.

[angelopetraglia]

That is a long deal for Truck. He has been durable with 23, 22 and 23 games in his last three years. He has been solid without really shooting the lights out since the 2021 GF.

Generous deal in length IMHO.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Happy with that. He's certainly talented and falls into the bucket of someone who I think we can get a lot more out of.

[DOG GOD]

Hmm 4…I might’ve gone with 3.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Hmm 4…I might’ve gone with 3.

I would've preferred 3 as well. Maybe even 2 better than 4 but ultimately I'd prefer to keep him than lose him. He's got a great skill set and is quite versatile. Just needs to use his physicality a lot more and, like many of our mid tier players, step up another level. I think he's capable of reaching another level or 2.

[DOG GOD]

I would've preferred 3 as well. Maybe even 2 better than 4 but ultimately I'd prefer to keep him than lose him. He's got a great skill set and is quite versatile. Just needs to use his physicality a lot more and, like many of our mid tier players, step up another level. I think he's capable of reaching another level or 2.

I think he’s one of those players that’s it’s all between the ears. If he wants to do the hard things, get his body where it needs to be, find a position that suits his talents and he’s on the team page with gameplan etc, then yeah he could be anything. He’s showed he’s got talent, but now it’s becoming a first 10 picked in the 22 every week.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I think he’s one of those players that’s it’s all between the ears. If he wants to do the hard things, get his body where it needs to be, find a position that suits his talents and he’s on the team page with gameplan etc, then yeah he could be anything. He’s showed he’s got talent, but now it’s becoming a first 10 picked in the 22 every week.

Yeah we have many players like that. Between the ears and not enough physicality/intensity, concentration and willingness to do the 1%ers. To me, changing that will be the difference between success and stagnation. I think we've got too many players in this category for it to be a personnel issue. I think it's likely more down to coaching/gameplan but what the hell would I know.

[Grantysghost]

He's one I would've shopped. Maybe they did and had no bites.
Feel like he kind of epitomises the current side.

Things are going his way he looks like Darren Jarman. If they're not he looks like Darren Jarman. Now.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

He's one I would've shopped. Maybe they did and had no bites.
Feel like he kind of epitomises the current side.

Things are going his way he looks like Darren Jarman. If they're not he looks like Darren Jarman. Now.

As a RFA, our best return would have been a 2nd or 3rd rounder. At 25yo I'd rather keep him.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

He's one I would've shopped. Maybe they did and had no bites.
Feel like he kind of epitomises the current side.

Things are going his way he looks like Darren Jarman. If they're not he looks like Darren Jarman. Now.

Completely agree but we have so many guys like this that if we think it's a personnel issue we'd have to flip over half the side which means full rebuild. Club won't want that with Bont at his peak. I'd prefer to give the guys another shot under a new regime but looks like we'll have to hope we get a new regime under the existing one.

[GVGjr]

Truck signed on for 4 years to end 2027. Good result, he has a lot of talent.

4 years is way overs given what he has delivered. We should rate his durability, versatility, skills and overall potential but on displayed form he plateaued as a player and it's hard to say his best football is still in front of him.

I hope he proves me wrong.

[Axe Man]

He's one I would've shopped. Maybe they did and had no bites.
Feel like he kind of epitomises the current side.

Things are going his way he looks like Darren Jarman. If they're not he looks like Darren Jarman. Now.

He was a free agent so I doubt we would have given him 4 years if nobody was interested. Re-signing free agents tends to come at a premium in terms of $$$ or years or both since other clubs are willing to offer more without having to give up a draft pick.

Impossible to know what kind of compensation we could have received if he did leave but I'm guessing it would have been at the lower end of the scale.

[Grantysghost]

He was a free agent so I doubt we would have given him 4 years if nobody was interested. Re-signing free agents tends to come at a premium in terms of $$$ or years or both since other clubs are willing to offer more without having to give up a draft pick.

Impossible to know what kind of compensation we could have received if he did leave but I'm guessing it would have been at the lower end of the scale.

Ah didn't know re FA. If only.... You know.

Thanks.

[GVGjr]

As a RFA, our best return would have been a 2nd or 3rd rounder. At 25yo I'd rather keep him.

Happy to keep no doubt but why offer him 4 years? He's been with us since being drafted in 2015 and is he really fulfilling his potential?

[Axe Man]

Happy to keep no doubt but why offer him 4 years? He's been with us since being drafted in 2015 and is he really fulfilling his potential?

Most likely to match or come close to a rival offer. Or perhaps he wanted 4 years on less money rather than 3 years on more which may suit our salary cap structure? I would assume we weighed up the contract required to keep him against the likely compo and decided we would rather retain Truck's services over probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Happy to keep no doubt but why offer him 4 years? He's been with us since being drafted in 2015 and is he really fulfilling his potential?

He's certainly stagnated the last 2 seasons (another who has not recovered from those famous 5 minutes of the 2021 gf). In my opinion he's one of our many mid tier players not fulfilling their potential but I think he's got plenty of ability and his stagnation is possibly a by-product of our overall demise since 2021. A new direction could do him wonders.

I do think 4yrs is a bit much but I think longer deals are going to become the norm in the next cba.

[Grantysghost]

He's certainly stagnated the last 2 seasons (another who has not recovered from those famous 5 minutes of the 2021 gf). In my opinion he's one of our many mid tier players not fulfilling their potential but I think he's got plenty of ability and his stagnation is possibly a by-product of our overall demise since 2021. A new direction could do him wonders.

I do think 4yrs is a bit much but I think longer deals are going to become the norm in the next cba.

He seems to lack motivation. Apart from a couple of windows he's not hit any great heights for me and I find him a very frustrating player.
No idea why contracts are secret, however most likely as Axe says the 4 was a negotiated lever v more coin.

I'm a little confused about this deal, 2 years would be ok by me. Needs a little disruption.

Things nobody has ever said...

Oh no Bailey Williams isnt playing.

[G-Mo77]

I actually like the guys and think he can be very handy on his day. 4 years does seems excessive though.

[GVGjr]

Most likely to match or come close to a rival offer. I would assume we weighed up the contract required to keep him against the likely compo and decided we would rather retain Truck's services over probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Thanks, I'd think you're probably right on the mark with this.
I know he hadn't had any genuine interest a couple of months back so something might have changed.

What has ever occurred to get this long term off has worked brilliantly well for him but I wonder what we can do to keep him incentivised to perform.

[GVGjr]

I actually like the guys and think he can be very handy on his day. 4 years does seems excessive though.

If we signed him for 2 years I'd be as happy as but he hasn't earned a 4 year deal on performance.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

He seems to lack motivation. Apart from a couple of windows he's not hit any great heights for me and I find him a very frustrating player.
No idea why contracts are secret, however most likely as Axe says the 4 was a negotiated lever v more coin.

I'm a little confused about this deal, 2 years would be ok by me. Needs a little disruption.

Things nobody has ever said...

Oh no Bailey Williams isnt playing.

I think if we were happy to lose him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder (most likely the latter) then we could have held firm at 2 or 3yrs. We haven't had many hits in that end of the draft lately so I'd rather back a 25yo known quantity.

I think we'd miss him more than we realise given our lack of depth. Part of Bailey's issue is he hasnt nailed down a role. Like some others such as Daniel they might need to settle in a position to start excelling.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

If we signed him for 2 years I'd be as happy as but he hasn't earned a 4 year deal on performance.

There's a lot of players getting looong deals in the league lately. I think it's becoming the norm.

[bornadog]

Good to see truck locked away - hopefully we can settle him into a role instead of flipping from wing to HBF

[GVGjr]

There's a lot of players getting looong deals in the league lately. I think it's becoming the norm.

At some stage we will likely hear that list spots are tight and offering longer than deserved contracts is one of the reasons why.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

At some stage we will likely hear that list spots are tight and offering longer than deserved contracts is one of the reasons why.

100%. But on the flip side we can't try go against the market and risk losing lots of players. The club needs to decide who is and isn't worth keeping. Bailey for mine is probably on the fringe but id lean towards wanting to keep. There's a huge glut of players behind him who need to be sent to the scrap heap first imo and should have been sent there long ago.

It's really interesting to see how polariaing this signing has been btw. I think it shows how inconsistent and frustrating our performances have been.

[Grantysghost]

I think if we were happy to lose him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder (most likely the latter) then we could have held firm at 2 or 3yrs. We haven't had many hits in that end of the draft lately so I'd rather back a 25yo known quantity.

I think we'd miss him more than we realise given our lack of depth. Part of Bailey's issue is he hasnt nailed down a role. Like some others such as Daniel they might need to settle in a position to start excelling.

I'm the opposite. It's time to send a message to the group.
I mean what was said at his exit interview... Keep doing what you're doing? Here's 4 years.

Hard calls need to be made and he's a guy I would've taken a hit on. If we get a second rounder from the Crows then jackpot, all the other players know the deal.

Having worked kind of in the government for 25 years (we are an agency), playing for Bevo feels like a government job. Most cushy AFL gig on earth.

Tell us another story Luke before bedtime.

Ha.. Sorry I'm being seriously tongue in cheek however this has ground my gearage!

What's his best B and F finish?

[azabob]

I'm the opposite. It's time to send a message to the group.
I mean what was said at his exit interview... Keep doing what you're doing? Here's 4 years.

Hard calls need to be made and he's a guy I would've taken a hit on. If we get a second rounder from the Crows then jackpot, all the other players know the deal.

Having worked kind of in the government for 25 years (we are an agency), playing for Bevo feels like a government job. Most cushy AFL gig on earth.

Tell us another story Luke before bedtime.

Ha.. Sorry I'm being seriously tongue in cheek however this has ground my gearage!

What's his best B and F finish?

Lets not get too crazy. I'd settle for dropping a "name player" when the team isn't performing.

[Grantysghost]

Lets not get too crazy. I'd settle for dropping a "name player" when the team isn't performing.

Bailey was dropped to sub. I think that was a strong message.

[Sedat]

He was drafted as a ball winning mid and hasn't really played there at all. It's about time he challenged himself to step into the midfield rotations, and it's also about time the match committee get unpredictable and start adding layers to our predictable (to opposition coaches) midfield rotation mix.

He has the right age profile, as well as the talent and skill to become a significant asset to us in an area of need - it's up to him to grasp the opportunity (and the match committee to give him that opportunity).

[Axe Man]

What's his best B and F finish?

Finished 10th in 2021, outside top 10 last year so I'm guessing 10th would be his best result.

[GVGjr]

100%. But on the flip side we can't try go against the market and risk losing lots of players. The club needs to decide who is and isn't worth keeping. Bailey for mine is probably on the fringe but id lean towards wanting to keep. There's a huge glut of players behind him who need to be sent to the scrap heap first imo and should have been sent there long ago.

It's really interesting to see how polariaing this signing has been btw. I think it shows how inconsistent and frustrating our performances have been.

I get that but surely you go hard at keeping the better players and be a bit more pragmatic with those who might have plateaued out.
There is a lot to like about Williams but he isn't performing at a high enough level on a consistent basis.
Good for him to get a 4 year deal but it's set a benchmark and it might be hard to explain to other players wanting a similar guarantee or commitment.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I'm the opposite. It's time to send a message to the group.
I mean what was said at his exit interview... Keep doing what you're doing? Here's 4 years.

Hard calls need to be made and he's a guy I would've taken a hit on. If we get a second rounder from the Crows then jackpot, all the other players know the deal.

Having worked kind of in the government for 25 years (we are an agency), playing for Bevo feels like a government job. Most cushy AFL gig on earth.

Tell us another story Luke before bedtime.

Ha.. Sorry I'm being seriously tongue in cheek however this has ground my gearage!

What's his best B and F finish?

I hear you. It's a bit chicken and egg in some ways. Is it the playing group largely at fault for our performances or the coaching?

[G-Mo77]

If we signed him for 2 years I'd be as happy as but he hasn't earned a 4 year deal on performance.

Yeah 2 would have been ideal, 2 + 1 with KPI's I would have been fine with as well. 4 I'm a bit concerned.

I'd like to see him in a more settled role going forward, he's moved around a lot to the point I don't think he knows where he's playing.

[Grantysghost]

Finished 10th in 2021, outside top 10 last year so I'm guessing 10th would be his best result.

Cheers mate. Hey maybe we need a table with b and F spots per year.

[whythelongface]

He was drafted as a ball winning mid and hasn't really played there at all. It's about time he challenged himself to step into the midfield rotations, and it's also about time the match committee get unpredictable and start adding layers to our predictable (to opposition coaches) midfield rotation mix.

He has the right age profile, as well as the talent and skill to become a significant asset to us in an area of need - it's up to him to grasp the opportunity (and the match committee to give him that opportunity).

Good call. Has some pace, can tackle and is a decent size - 188cm. Hopefully we try him in the mids in the off season

[WBFC4FFC]

Good call. Has some pace, can tackle and is a decent size - 188cm. Hopefully we try him in the mids in the off season

Thought I heard during the year he would end up at the Crows.

Good to keep him but I can’t help but think the 4 years is a signal Bailey Smith will be gone.

[Grantysghost]

I hear you. It's a bit chicken and egg in some ways. Is it the playing group largely at fault for our performances or the coaching?

Depends on the review...

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[bulldogsthru&thru]

Depends on the review...

https://i.postimg.cc/05H58JpV/Screenshot-20230905-180623.png (https://postimg.cc/s17CmxHW)

Well given what we've heard so far it sounds like it's the assistant coaches fault.

[azabob]

He was drafted as a ball winning mid and hasn't really played there at all. It's about time he challenged himself to step into the midfield rotations, and it's also about time the match committee get unpredictable and start adding layers to our predictable (to opposition coaches) midfield rotation mix.

He has the right age profile, as well as the talent and skill to become a significant asset to us in an area of need - it's up to him to grasp the opportunity (and the match committee to give him that opportunity).

Sedat, have you met our match committee?

[G-Mo77]

Well given what we've heard so far it sounds like it's the assistant coaches fault.

Teflon head coach.

Next thing the guys handing the drinks out will be shown the door.

[MrMahatma]

Glad we signed Truck on. Good player. Best 22. Talented and match hardened. Not the kind of fringe player who has clogged up our list in recent years. I’m also happy with 4. That’ll make him 29 when it expires. Do shorter deals after that.

[jeemak]

I'm the opposite. It's time to send a message to the group.
I mean what was said at his exit interview... Keep doing what you're doing? Here's 4 years.

Hard calls need to be made and he's a guy I would've taken a hit on. If we get a second rounder from the Crows then jackpot, all the other players know the deal.

Having worked kind of in the government for 25 years (we are an agency), playing for Bevo feels like a government job. Most cushy AFL gig on earth.

Tell us another story Luke before bedtime.

Ha.. Sorry I'm being seriously tongue in cheek however this has ground my gearage!

What's his best B and F finish?

I hope they told him that they've backed him in to have the most consistently good years of his career on the back of him putting in huge effort over the preseason and focusing on his preparation. And that if he doesn't he's tradeable.

[FrediKanoute]

Glad we signed Truck on. Good player. Best 22. Talented and match hardened. Not the kind of fringe player who has clogged up our list in recent years. I’m also happy with 4. That’ll make him 29 when it expires. Do shorter deals after that.

I agree, Am happy with a 4 year deal. Whilst he may not be the inside Mid he was recruited to be I think he is a really good option as a winger. We looked much better with him and Poulter/Baker on the wings. He's a long, accurate kick, good pair of hands and has nice evasive skills. We can look to shorter deals when he is 29 or so.

[soupman]

Was genuinely really good as a defender in 2021 until an atrocious performance in the GF (maybe worst on ground?) and has looked shy of confidence ever since and had to shuffle through roles in the side.

I'd try and work him into our midfield mix as well, I think we need a freshen up in there and his ability to move in traffic plus a lovely piercing kick could be something different. He's been ok on the wing but I don't think wed be losing a lot.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Was genuinely really good as a defender in 2021 until an atrocious performance in the GF (maybe worst on ground?) and has looked shy of confidence ever since and had to shuffle through roles in the side.

I'd try and work him into our midfield mix as well, I think we need a freshen up in there and his ability to move in traffic plus a lovely piercing kick could be something different. He's been ok on the wing but I don't think wed be losing a lot.

Couldn’t we use him in as mid and have a rotation with Adz on the wing. Maybe 80/20. I’d prefer Williams in the centre bounce over both Daniel or Weightman. The other is Libba swap with a West as an 80/20. We need to be blooding the next generation and Libba could play forward

[Grantysghost]

I agree, Am happy with a 4 year deal. Whilst he may not be the inside Mid he was recruited to be I think he is a really good option as a winger. We looked much better with him and Poulter/Baker on the wings. He's a long, accurate kick, good pair of hands and has nice evasive skills. We can look to shorter deals when he is 29 or so.

I think Baker is as good at this point have to say. I don't think guys like Williams are that hard to find.

Hopefully he gets back to his best and cracks the top ten of the B and F.

[GVGjr]

I agree, Am happy with a 4 year deal. Whilst he may not be the inside Mid he was recruited to be I think he is a really good option as a winger. We looked much better with him and Poulter/Baker on the wings. He's a long, accurate kick, good pair of hands and has nice evasive skills. We can look to shorter deals when he is 29 or so.

I don't think we recruited him as an inside mid and he has been shuffled around in a few positions. He's performed pretty well in whatever role he has been given but I'm not seeing the level of performance in what he has delivered so far that warrants this sort of commitment back to him.
The 4 year deal is not that much of an issue but I'm surprised that we made that commitment.

[ledge]

I guess it depends on what he accepted money wise too .
He isn’t injury prone and I think we as fans under rate him a little .
If he accepted say 300 to 400k a year that’s only just over a million for 4 years . Cheap as chips for a bloke coming into his best years .

[The Bulldogs Bite]

4 years is way too much.

We've given 5 years to the likes of JJ, Hunter and Macrae and I'd argue none of them worked out despite the fact all 3 are very good players and performed above and over what Williams has produced.

It really should have been 2, perhaps a trigger for 3. Axe would be on the money in terms of it being spread over 4 years, but that's a long commitment for a player who is ranked 15-22.

I don't mind the idea of him playing midfield to change up our dynamic, but his decision making isn't as quick as it needs to be. You can't 'sell' candy every time you get the footy. I'd rather we put him back to where he actually played his best footy as a half back.

[ledge]

4 years is way too much.

We've given 5 years to the likes of JJ, Hunter and Macrae and I'd argue none of them worked out despite the fact all 3 are very good players and performed above and over what Williams has produced.

It really should have been 2, perhaps a trigger for 3. Axe would be on the money in terms of it being spread over 4 years, but that's a long commitment for a player who is ranked 15-22.

I don't mind the idea of him playing midfield to change up our dynamic, but his decision making isn't as quick as it needs to be. You can't 'sell' candy every time you get the footy. I'd rather we put him back to where he actually played his best footy as a half back.
Don’t get me wrong I personally would have offered two.
But we don’t know the details of the contract.
Maybe he is going back to his best position, whatever the reason the club obviously see him better than we do.

[ledge]

I also find it strange we complain about our list having fringe players who aren’t good enough . Well the only way to keep your bottom players who are good enough is to put them on long deals.
Williams isn’t a fringe player but is a good player to lock in and now we aren’t having to deal with losing him every year.
We now know his worth and can now look at keeping fringe players who are good enough.
It Also means if a club is interested in him they will have to pay overs to get him .

[Sedat]

Sedat, have you met our match committee?
I know, but I'm fully expecting changes to be made in match committee personnel, game plan and player roles - you simply cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, especially when your best player (and the best in the entire competition) just had a career year, as did your best inside mid and no 1 ruckman. And despite all that, we missed finals and scraped into 8th position 12 months earlier - that is a plenty big enough sample size to know the game plan needs an overhaul, as does match committee, as do player roles in the team.

I'm sure Bains and Grant fully understand this. And deep down I'm sure Bevo does as well, otherwise he will be borderline unemployable as a senior coach in 12-24 months time.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I know, but I'm fully expecting changes to be made in match committee personnel, game plan and player roles - you simply cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, especially when your best player (and the best in the entire competition) just had a career year, as did your best inside mid and no 1 ruckman. And despite all that, we missed finals and scraped into 8th position 12 months earlier - that is a plenty big enough sample size to know the game plan needs an overhaul, as does match committee, as do player roles in the team.

I'm sure Bains and Grant fully understand this. And deep down I'm sure Bevo does as well, otherwise he will be borderline unemployable as a senior coach in 12-24 months time.

Do you actually have faith Sedat that Bains and Grant understand this? A lot of us on here saw this early last year yet somehow those in charge didn't think anything needed changing.

[Sedat]

Do you actually have faith Sedat that Baines and Grant understand this? A lot of us on here saw this early last year yet somehow those in charge didn't think anything needed changing.
Ultimately I'm glass half-full and you've got to have faith that your leaders are competent enough to read the room and understand what is required (Bevo included).

If Bains/Grant think that a couple of minor tweaks is all we need because we were "so unlucky in several close games" in 2023, we deserve all the ridicule we will inevitably get. I do think the messaging has been different this off-season compared to 12 months ago - although the proof will be in the actions/outcomes and not the words.

[Danjul]

I agree, Am happy with a 4 year deal. Whilst he may not be the inside Mid he was recruited to be I think he is a really good option as a winger. We looked much better with him and Poulter/Baker on the wings. He's a long, accurate kick, good pair of hands and has nice evasive skills. We can look to shorter deals when he is 29 or so.
I believe that the game plan needs to be redesigned to build on the players talents, and he is one of the players where this has not happened. When he get a chance he is very damaging, but too often we deliberately bottle up play against the boundary and players can?t get out. Both Poulter and Baker also seem to understand how space is critical to forward movement.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I do hope we review what gameplan changes we made during last off-season that were subsequently thrown out the window 2 games into a disastrous start to the season.

[Danjul]

I think Baker is as good at this point have to say. I don't think guys like Williams are that hard to find.

Hopefully he gets back to his best and cracks the top ten of the B and F.
I have watched Baker closely and it is obvious that he is bringing Melbourne?s use of space with him. I have seen him make position to quickly launch into the forward area only to be ignored in favour of the long bomb.

Against Essendon he brought the ball around the boundary and gave a nice pass to Khamis, who passed to Weightman for a goal. Quick movement that generates team results.

He also got one of his own later. I found it interesting that he was subbed off early and then dropped from the team.

[mjp]

I have watched Baker closely and it is obvious that he is bringing Melbourne?s use of space with him.

Baker understands space.

I'm not sure if it's a Melbourne thing or Melbourne recruiters identify players who understand it.

[Throughandthrough]

Williams received some higher offers , also long term from other clubs Or so I heard

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Williams received some higher offers , also long term from other clubs Or so I heard

Thanks. Makes sense why we offered 4 then. Good to see he chose to stay with us as well. With rumours of Naughton and Marra signing extensions soon it doesn't seem like there is unrest amongst the players.

[bornadog]

Williams received some higher offers , also long term from other clubs Or so I heard

Good to hear from you TT and thank you for the update on Williams. Glad he chose to stay

[angelopetraglia]

Jon Ralph

Dogs utility Taylor Duryea should get another deal but the Dogs still have to make decisions on Hayden Crozier, Buku Khamis, Roarke Smith and Toby McLean.

McLean has real talent and is an unrestricted free agent, while Tim O’Brien will likely get another one-year deal.

[angelopetraglia]

Jon Ralph

The two-year deal for Sweet has been in front of him for some time.

But not only is Tim English in career-best form, there is a chance Sam Darcy will eventually turn into a ruckman, who can play at either end.

West Coast is one of the clubs interested in Sweet but consider the turbulence in the ruck market.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Jon Ralph

Dogs utility Taylor Duryea should get another deal but the Dogs still have to make decisions on Hayden Crozier, Buku Khamis, Roarke Smith and Toby McLean.

McLean has real talent and is an unrestricted free agent, while Tim O’Brien will likely get another one-year deal.

All those players should be moved on imo.

McLean happy to keep as insurance on a cheap deal. O'Brien should not be getting another deal.

[bornadog]

All those players should be moved on imo.

McLean happy to keep as insurance on a cheap deal. O'Brien's should not be getting another deal.

Tim is a bust I am afraid. His injuries never helped him.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

TOB another year? Insanity.

Duryea is done despite being a good player in the past.

[GVGjr]

Jon Ralph

Dogs utility Taylor Duryea should get another deal but the Dogs still have to make decisions on Hayden Crozier, Buku Khamis, Roarke Smith and Toby McLean.

McLean has real talent and is an unrestricted free agent, while Tim O’Brien will likely get another one-year deal.

Sammy Power has flagged that there won't be a lot of changes to the list given we are only looking to draft in 2 to 4 players and I assume add 2 more via trades.

If that holds true then there will be a few 1 year deals offered to the players coming out of contract.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Sammy Power has flagged that there won't be a lot of changes to the list given we are only looking to draft in 2 to 4 players and I assume add 2 more via trades.

If that holds true then there will be a few 1 year deals offered to the players coming out of contract.

Hard to understand our refusal to turn the list over.

Do we really think the answer to our problems is to chuck more senior support around Bevo? It's worrying.

[bulldogtragic]

Hard to understand our refusal to turn the list over.

Do we really think the answer to our problems is to chuck more senior support around Bevo? It's worrying.

Yes. Yes we do.

[bornadog]

Hard to understand our refusal to turn the list over.

Do we really think the answer to our problems is to chuck more senior support around Bevo? It's worrying.

How many do you want turned over and where do the picks come from? Last year was 8 and the year before 6.

[Bulldog Joe]

Yes. Yes we do.

I certainly believe that a better performance in the overall coaching and game day effort would have us improve significantly.

Changing the playing personnel won't help if we continue to defend poorly and bomb forward.

[bulldogtragic]

I certainly believe that a better performance in the overall coaching and game day effort would have us improve significantly.

Changing the playing personnel won't help if we continue to defend poorly and bomb forward.

I think it’s a bit of everything. So we now see what we do with the player aspect.

[Ozza]

TOB another year? Insanity.

Duryea is done despite being a good player in the past.

Couldn't agree more.
O'Brien was a very ordinary pick up.

Doc has been good for us, but we have to look at other options now. Hopefully JJ can stay healthy next year, and I think we have to give Cleary a decent run at it and work out if he is a player. I think Cleary might be ok.

[G-Mo77]

We're taking the piss if we're signing guys like TOB.

[whythelongface]

We're taking the piss if we're signing guys like TOB.

But we need players like O’Brien for cover. We can’t get rid of every fringe player and replace them with potentially another fringe player who is untested at this level. Thus we are limited in the number of effective list changes we can make. May as well keep on a player or two that we know can cover, to some degree, in the event of injury.

[G-Mo77]

But we need players like O’Brien for cover. We can’t get rid of every fringe player and replace them with potentially another fringe player who is untested at this level. Thus we are limited in the number of effective list changes we can make. May as well keep on a player or two that we know can cover, to some degree, in the event of injury.

And untested player might be better. O'Brien is no good now and won't improve at all.

[bulldogtragic]

And untested player might be better. O'Brien is no good now and won't improve at all.

Often injured too. Not much of a back up in the rehab group. Might need a back up for him.

[whythelongface]

And untested player might be better. O'Brien is no good now and won't improve at all.

True about the untested player but given the amount of players that could be turned over (up to 12) there will be a number of misses. Whilst we think that TOB is no good at least we know he can play at AFL level as a depth player. An unknown quantity is just that and you are unlikely to play that player in the event of injury. Hence you need players like O’Brien as cover (as much as we may not like it). Thus I see no issue giving a few players like this rolling one year contracts.

[Bullies]

True about the untested player but given the amount of players that could be turned over (up to 12) there will be a number of misses. Whilst we think that TOB is no good at least we know he can play at AFL level as a depth player. An unknown quantity is just that and you are unlikely to play that player in the event of injury. Hence you need players like O’Brien as cover (as much as we may not like it). Thus I see no issue giving a few players like this rolling one year contracts. He was at Hawks for nearly 10 years and was no good there. He is one ordinary footballer. He is what is known as a list clogger and gets paid for it. Bad move by the club if they leave him on the list.

[whythelongface]

He was at Hawks for nearly 10 years and was no good there. He is one ordinary footballer. He is what is known as a list clogger and gets paid for it. Bad move by the club if they leave him on the list.

I don’t disagree but you can’t get rid of all ‘list cloggers’ in one full swoop unless there are players out there that are more needs based. Whilst he may be an average footballer he can still play a role if called upon. Similar to others that have been mentioned eg Duryea, McNeill etc definitely need to get rid of some but you can’t get rid of all. Every club is in the same boat and will always have players that are deemed not good enough on the list (but can potentially play a role). You can’t just have a list of developing players or young recruits from 22 to 44, you need experienced players that aren’t good enough to be regulars to help balance the list and can brought in on an as required basis - hence I get the need to sign a player like O’Brien whether I personally like the decision or not. Hopefully in time we get better quality back up players - not easy to manage and there will always be criticisms as to whom is retained and not.

[ledge]

I don’t disagree but you can’t get rid of all ‘list cloggers’ in one full swoop unless there are players out there that are more needs based. Whilst he may be an average footballer he can still play a role if called upon. Similar to others that have been mentioned eg Duryea, McNeill etc definitely need to get rid of some but you can’t get rid of all. Every club is in the same boat and will always have players that are deemed not good enough on the list (but can potentially play a role). You can’t just have a list of developing players or young recruits from 22 to 44, you need experienced players that aren’t good enough to be regulars to help balance the list and can brought in on an as required basis - hence I get the need to sign a player like O’Brien whether I personally like the decision or not. Hopefully in time we get better quality back up players - not easy to manage and there will always be criticisms as to whom is retained and not.

Pretty simple really . You delist a player for a better player, if no better player is around you keep them .
Especially if you need experience and are in the “ premiership window “
We are in mid space at the moment our up and coming stars ( which I believe will be a great group) are still young and learning, so in the next two years they will start hitting their peak . We have the next two drafts/ trades to get fast , hard mids to compliment them.

[Happy Days]

If we re-sign O’Brien I will not be attending games he is selected for. Gotta have some self respect at some point.

[hujsh]

Pretty simple really . You delist a player for a better player, if no better player is around you keep them .
Especially if you need experience and are in the “ premiership window “
We are in mid space at the moment our up and coming stars ( which I believe will be a great group) are still young and learning, so in the next two years they will start hitting their peak . We have the next two drafts/ trades to get fast , hard mids to compliment them.

If that was our approach we'd never draft players with potential and would just load up with state league players and maybe first rounders. Sometimes it's appropriate to cut players loose for the chance their replacement can show something more longer term.

[Go_Dogs]

Sammy Power has flagged that there won't be a lot of changes to the list given we are only looking to draft in 2 to 4 players and I assume add 2 more via trades.

If that holds true then there will be a few 1 year deals offered to the players coming out of contract.


But we need players like O’Brien for cover. We can’t get rid of every fringe player and replace them with potentially another fringe player who is untested at this level. Thus we are limited in the number of effective list changes we can make. May as well keep on a player or two that we know can cover, to some degree, in the event of injury.

It’s an interesting debate / approach here.

While we need to turn the list over, we do need some coverage and depth across most areas. While TOB has been disappointing in the games he’s played and his injury history not good either, he can play roles at either end of the ground. I suspect Bruce deciding to pull the pin (different roles I know) and Darcy also struggling with injury have made this decision for us.

Personally I don’t like it as I’d like to see depth players pushing for the 22 regularly and actually staying on the park for most of the year.

On the broader issue of how much we should turn the list over, while we may not have a bunch of early picks, at some point we need to back in our talent identification and target players with some key attributes who also have some development areas and back ourselves in to turn them into AFL players. We seem gun shy here. Every post won’t be a winner but if we can add one 100 game plus player out if 3 late selections that would be an amazing result. Too often we’re keeping blokes for a few years who we know won’t do that, and then using late picks of blokes who are good allrounders at VFL level but lack any genuine AFL attribute.

[Throughandthrough]

If we re-sign O’Brien I will not be attending games he is selected for. Gotta have some self respect at some point.


Renew your membership. Won’t need to miss any matches

[G-Mo77]

TOB and McComb gone. Good decision.

[jeemak]

Add Raak to that.

[kruder]

I can understand the recruitment of TOB, we have been in desperate need of an interceptor but it just didn't work out. Raak and McComb on the other hand have never had AFL attributes, I see those decisions in a very different light.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Excellent.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5uoh13aMAA6Bl7?format=webp&name=900x900

[Axe Man]

I can understand the recruitment of TOB, we have been in desperate need of an interceptor but it just didn't work out. Raak and McComb on the other hand have never had AFL attributes, I see those decisions in a very different light.

Raak was a free hit, didn't even take a list spot as a cat B rookie. Was worth giving him a chance, didn't work out.

[1eyedog]

Thank f&%#

Losing Varcoe sucks. Marra is close with him.

[angelopetraglia]

Thank you for your service TOB, McComb and Raak. But all 100% the right decisions.

[angelopetraglia]

Does everyone feel with the news today that McLean and Crozier will be offered deals?

[Bulldog Joe]

Does everyone feel with the news today that McLean and Crozier will be offered deals?

Probably giving them a chance to find an interested club to help them. Might even get a pick swap trade for some minor points.

[G-Mo77]

Does everyone feel with the news today that McLean and Crozier will be offered deals?

Smith maybe? I don't see Crozier getting another chance, he's done. McLean will go elsewhere.

[angelopetraglia]

I don't see Crozier getting another chance, he's done.

If that is the care. Why not announce today? Surely he doesn't have any trade currency?

[Bulldog Joe]

If that is the care. Why not announce today? Surely he doesn't have any trade currency?

Perhaps they are waiting on Duryea decision also

[G-Mo77]

Perhaps they are waiting on Duryea decision also

Or others as well, Sweet, McLean. Also trade ins/out could determine his fate.

[angelopetraglia]

So we have the following without a contract (thanks Axe Man):

Hayden Crozier: 2023
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (Rookie)
Jordon Sweet: 2023
Roarke Smith: 2023 (Rookie)
Dominic Bedendo: 2023
Buku Khamis: 2023
Toby McLean: 2023
Taylor Duryea: 2023

We have so far made five retirements/delistings. It doesn't sound like that many more to go when you consider potential trades. Does anyone have a handle on what the normal/our average is most years?

Last year we had eight.

Louis Butler (delisted), Zaine Cordy (free agent, St Kilda), Josh Dunkley (trade, Brisbane), Lachie Hunter (trade, Melbourne), Stefan Martin (retired), Charlie Parker (delisted), Josh Schache (trade, Melbourne), Mitch Wallis (delisted)

[angelopetraglia]

So this is how many players teams removed from their list last year. So the median was 8 and the average was 8.2

Hawks 11
Dons 10
Suns 9
Pies 9
Kangas 9
Freo 9
Cats 9
Tigers 8
Swans 8
GWS 8
Eagles 8
Dogs 8
Demons 8
Saints 7
Port 7
Lions 7
Blues 7
Crows 5

[jeemak]

So we have the following without a contract (thanks Axe Man):



This type of mollycoddling of his ravings about a thread that doesn't exist won't help anyone.

[angelopetraglia]

How many players have we added to our list. So over the last 13 seasons, we have averaged 8.2 additions to our list with a median of 8 players (which is exactly the same as the average of the 18 clubs last year removed from their list, oddly enough).

2010 11
2011 10
2012 9
2013 5
2014 11
2015 8
2016 7
2017 7
2018 11
2019 5
2020 7
2021 7
2022 8

[GVGjr]

Does everyone feel with the news today that McLean and Crozier will be offered deals?

Well considering we are likely to only draft 2 to 4 players and assuming we trade for a couple more then they might make the most sense to be retained. If we are confident Bedendo can get back on the park I'd say he might get retained.

[JanLorMill]

I can understand the recruitment of TOB, we have been in desperate need of an interceptor but it just didn't work out. Raak and McComb on the other hand have never had AFL attributes, I see those decisions in a very different light.
I don?t understand it. He intercepted well in 1 game prior and that was against us.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Good decisions.

I want McNeil gone. No offence to him, but he has zero attributes to make it at the elite level. Not quick enough, not big enough, not strong enough, not skilled enough, doesn't find enough of the ball and so on. Cut and move on.

I also want Crozier gone but I'll live with it if we move on McNeil. At least Hayden brings some leadership.

McLean will be an interesting one.

Bedendo to get 1 year would be my assumption.

[angelopetraglia]

I don?t understand it. He intercepted well in 1 game prior and that was against us.

All my Hawthorn supporter friends just laughed at this trade. They disliked him as a player.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

TOB didn't work out and is better suited to the state leagues but the appeal was obvious - good athlete with decent skills.

More to work with than quite a few others on our list.

Good luck to him.

[hujsh]

If O'Brien wasn't injured so often I could see some value to him as a 3rd tall but the injuries really put a full stop on that conversation.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

So from the guys left. We need to get Sweet, McLean and Khamis all sorted out. The others will all most likely be delisted.

The. Let?s hope Power turns his head to get Naughts, Smith, English, JUH and a West signed up before the season gets underway. We need to stop all the noise prior to next year.

[Axe Man]

So from the guys left. We need to get Sweet, McLean and Khamis all sorted out. The others will all most likely be delisted.

The. Let?s hope Power turns his head to get Naughts, Smith, English, JUH and a West signed up before the season gets underway. We need to stop all the noise prior to next year.

No chance we delist all those unsigned players, especially if the 3 you mentioned leave as well. It will be too big a list turnover.

Also no chance all those players re-sign before next season. I can't see Smith and English in particular re-signing any time soon.

[Axe Man]

This type of mollycoddling of his ravings about a thread that doesn't exist won't help anyone.

Talking about a thread that doesn't exist in the thread that doesn't exist is some next level twilight zone stuff.

[bornadog]

Talking about a thread that doesn't exist in the thread that doesn't exist is some next level twilight zone stuff.

What thread? :D

[azabob]

Buku officially announced.

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1447506/khamis-remains-loyal-to-bulldogs

[jeemak]

Thanks for all of your hard work in getting this thread up and running Aza.

[jeemak]

The Khamis situation is an interesting one for me. I can think of a few reasons why he stayed:

- Lack of interest elsewhere

- Lobb leaving and a medium forward/ second ruck position opening up due to a change in tack from the MC

- Same terms and role at alternative destinations due to his limitations

- Loyalty and buy-in


Not sure where I sit, reckon it might be the latter two combined and it would be amazing if he was spirited in his gratefulness enough to stay the course with the club that has stood by him for a very long time.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

The Khamis situation is an interesting one for me. I can think of a few reasons why he stayed:

- Lack of interest elsewhere

- Lobb leaving and a medium forward/ second ruck position opening up due to a change in tack from the MC

- Same terms and role at alternative destinations due to his limitations

- Loyalty and buy-in


Not sure where I sit, reckon it might be the latter two combined and it would be amazing if he was spirited in his gratefulness enough to stay the course with the club that has stood by him for a very long time.

I am liking that he's made the choice to back his improvement at the club.

I am a long time 49ers fan in NFL and am loving the Brock Purdy story develop.
Last player selected in draft which comes with the moniker of Mr Irrelevant due to very few notable careers coming from that pick

Drafted by the Nine's, behind an established veteran QB in Garoppolo, and behind a pick 3 QB Trey Lance, whom the Nine's sold the farm to trade up in the draft to get.

Both QBs go down injured long term mid season and they play Purdy instead of signing another veteran QB.
And he's now the starter having established himself as the clear QB1.

I'd love to see Khamis force his way past his competition.
I'd love all our developing players to have a similar mindset to grit it out,and earn a spot.

[azabob]

Thanks for all of your hard work in getting this thread up and running Aza.

BT did warn me to be careful what I wish for.

[angelopetraglia]

Toby has been delisted.

[chef]

Toby has been delisted.

Sad stuff. Another Bullgod gone.

[ledge]

Sadly I don’t think he would be picked up by another club if he wanted to go on .. doesnt mention anything about him trying elsewhere so I would say he is done .
Might end up an assistant coach if we don’t fill the voids soon .

[azabob]

Being reported Taylor Duyrea has signed a one year deal..

[bulldogtragic]

Being reported Taylor Duyrea has signed a one year deal..

I guess Harmes ain’t a back pocket after all.

[G-Mo77]

Being reported Taylor Duyrea has signed a one year deal..

What does he bring to the table now? Could this be a coaching kind of role because on field he did very little for us in 2023.

[GVGjr]

What does he bring to the table now? Could this be a coaching kind of role because on field he did very little for us in 2023.

A bit like Keath in terms of depth and experience. He is a good organiser on the field.

[hujsh]

What does he bring to the table now? Could this be a coaching kind of role because on field he did very little for us in 2023.

I mean, would you like to see Vanders vs Papley again? Sadly this is the best we have so I'm really hoping we get Lual

[G-Mo77]

I mean, would you like to see Vanders vs Papley again? Sadly this is the best we have so I'm really hoping we get Lual

Dureya vs Papley is no better. The matchup against Elliot was embarrassing also. My memory is not great but he seems to have been torched by most this season. I'm just not sure it's the direction we should be going. A rookie list coaching/playing role I'd be comfortable with. Best 22/main list for 2024, no way.

[Bulldog4life]

I guess Harmes ain’t a back pocket after all.

Appears he will be playing Bazza's role. Half forward/on the ball. According to the man himself.

[bulldogtragic]

Appears he will be playing Bazza's role. Half forward/on the ball. According to the man himself.

Bazza filling in Tom Mitchell’s/Jeaga O’meara’s vacancy?

[azabob]

Can I ask what Sam Power was thinking when he signed Jack Macrae till the end of 2027? He will be 30 next year and 33 at the end of the contract. Surely it can’t be at top $ and has to be a sliding down scale?

[ledge]

Can I ask what Sam Power was thinking when he signed Jack Macrae till the end of 2027? He will be 30 next year and 33 at the end of the contract. Surely it can’t be at top $ and has to be a sliding down scale?

Hopefully it was up front and by the end of it he is on the minimum wage.
Also nowadays you trade them out a year or two away and get good return, he was elite and a young side looking for a leader could we pay a decent return for him.

[Grantysghost]

Can I ask what Sam Power was thinking when he signed Jack Macrae till the end of 2027? He will be 30 next year and 33 at the end of the contract. Surely it can’t be at top $ and has to be a sliding down scale?

I guess he's pretty elite over a number of years? I can't recall at the time if anyone thought it was overs or not?

Love Jacko I think he still has plenty of life left him in.

[jazzadogs]

Can I ask what Sam Power was thinking when he signed Jack Macrae till the end of 2027? He will be 30 next year and 33 at the end of the contract. Surely it can’t be at top $ and has to be a sliding down scale?

Was probably thinking he was signing an All-Australian ball winning star Vice-Captain of the club...

I don't think he offered the contract to an average half forward/'5th mid'.

[azabob]

Was probably thinking he was signing an All-Australian ball winning star Vice-Captain of the club...

I don't think he offered the contract to an average half forward/'5th mid'.

I wish our list management team and Beveridge were a bit more aligned…

Macrae five year deal - next year not in the starting midfield rotations and shuffled to a half forward flank
RSmith plays in the 2021 GF finally secures a multi year contract and never to be seen again.
Gowers, McComb similar examples.

[Grantysghost]

I wish our list management team and Beveridge were a bit more aligned…

Macrae five year deal - next year not in the starting midfield rotations and shuffled to a half forward flank
RSmith plays in the 2021 GF finally secures a multi year contract and never to be seen again.
Gowers, McComb similar examples.

I don't think anyone can keep up with Bevo's rapid change ideas.
Easton Wood forward anyone!

[ledge]

I don't think anyone can keep up with Bevo's rapid change ideas.
Easton Wood forward anyone!

With respect to Smith he has been injured 99% of it .

[bornadog]

I don't think anyone can keep up with Bevo's rapid change ideas.
Easton Wood forward anyone!
One week only, and no one wants to forget it

[Bulldog4life]

I don't think anyone can keep up with Bevo's rapid change ideas.
Easton Wood forward anyone!

Naughty forward anyone.

[bornadog]

I wish our list management team and Beveridge were a bit more aligned….

What does this statement even mean

[azabob]

What does this statement even mean

Fairly self explanatory if you include my entire post.

[bornadog]

Fairly self explanatory if you include my entire post.

You don't think there is list management committee that work together?

[GVGjr]

I wish our list management team and Beveridge were a bit more aligned…

Macrae five year deal - next year not in the starting midfield rotations and shuffled to a half forward flank
RSmith plays in the 2021 GF finally secures a multi year contract and never to be seen again.
Gowers, McComb similar examples.

I'd be surprised if Bevo and the list management committee aren't as close to being fully aligned as you can reasonably expect.
Sure there would be challenging discussions and differing opinions that might even create some tension but that's a healthy debate.

There has been some perplexing decisions on contract lengths and in particular player retention which you've highlighted but I'm assuming that the committee is largely on board with that.

[azabob]

You don't think there is list management committee that work together?

I do think they work together, they have to.
But there have been a few puzzling decisions.
I was just spitballing as that what happens when not much is happening.

[Axe Man]

Do we know how long a contract Coffield received? Unlike Harmes it doesn't seem to have been publicised.

[hujsh]

Do we know how long a contract Coffield received? Unlike Harmes it doesn't seem to have been publicised.

I think it's meant to be 2 years (with triggers for one extra) but haven't seen that officially anywhere

[Axe Man]

I think it's meant to be 2 years (with triggers for one extra) but haven't seen that officially anywhere

I will go with 2 years for now. It's annoying when they don't even tell us how long we have signed someone for, I never found an official source for Lobb's contract either.

[GVGjr]

Do we know how long a contract Coffield received? Unlike Harmes it doesn't seem to have been publicised.

I thought I read it was two compared to the Saints one year offer.

[The Doctor]

Contracted Players = 39 (33 Primary List, 5 Category A Rookies, 1 Category B Rookie)
Open List Spots = 4


Hayden Crozier: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/572617/three-more-years-for-crozier)
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/959503?fbclid=IwAR0wEvRwqjavwB0FoI2k31VZ577eRUm5N-JpTHJ5QJIjJbP3AaQbDZKsfxE) (Rookie)
Roarke Smith: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1024919/roarke-s-reward-smith-locked-in-until-2023) (Rookie)
Dominic Bedendo: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1154226/trio-re-sign-at-the-bulldogs)
Taylor Duryea: 2023 (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1242115/duryea-remains-in-red-white-and-blue)



By my reckoning we currently have

2 Primary list spots available which will be used on Pick 6 and Croft

Out: Bruce, Hannan, O'Brien, McLean, Sweet = 5 off

In: Coffield, Harmes, Scott (upgrade) = 3 on

2 Rookie spots open following the delisting of McComb and Scott being upgraded to the primary list.


Has Taylor Duryea been confirmed as signing up for another year? If So, it leaves Crozier and Bedendo to be determined. Some of the talk from Twomey indicated we would likely be taking 4 picks to the draft which would mean these 2 would have to be delisted.

If we delist Rourke and McNeill (I think we should let them go) we could go to the draft with 4 picks in the National draft and up to 4 in the rookie draft.

[Stevo]

By my reckoning we currently have

2 Primary list spots available which will be used on Pick 6 and Croft

Out: Bruce, Hannan, O'Brien, McLean, Sweet = 5 off

In: Coffield, Harmes, Scott (upgrade) = 3 on

2 Rookie spots open following the delisting of McComb and Scott being upgraded to the primary list.


Has Taylor Duryea been confirmed as signing up for another year? If So, it leaves Crozier and Bedendo to be determined. Some of the talk from Twomey indicated we would likely be taking 4 picks to the draft which would mean these 2 would have to be delisted.

If we delist Rourke and McNeill (I think we should let them go) we could go to the draft with 4 picks in the National draft and up to 4 in the rookie draft.

We should let go all of Roarke, McNeil, Croz and Bedendo as its time for a refresh

[Axe Man]

By my reckoning we currently have

2 Primary list spots available which will be used on Pick 6 and Croft

Out: Bruce, Hannan, O'Brien, McLean, Sweet = 5 off

In: Coffield, Harmes, Scott (upgrade) = 3 on

2 Rookie spots open following the delisting of McComb and Scott being upgraded to the primary list.


Has Taylor Duryea been confirmed as signing up for another year? If So, it leaves Crozier and Bedendo to be determined. Some of the talk from Twomey indicated we would likely be taking 4 picks to the draft which would mean these 2 would have to be delisted.

If we delist Rourke and McNeill (I think we should let them go) we could go to the draft with 4 picks in the National draft and up to 4 in the rookie draft.

I think that's all correct other than the fact you can have 4, 5 or 6 category A rookies, so we can play around with that if we wish. That's why I just refer to open list spots.

Nothing official on Duryea but it seems more than likely he has or will sign a 1 year deal.

From an article (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1057418/up-to-12-clubs-set-to-upgrade-rookies-ahead-of-draft-robbie-fox-mason-wood-nathan-murray) on AFL website:


Anthony Scott is expected to be upgraded at the Western Bulldogs

It's also worth noting that if Lual goes undrafted we can pick him up as a category B rookie which will give us an additional list spot.

[bulldogtragic]

By my reckoning we currently have

2 Primary list spots available which will be used on Pick 6 and Croft

Out: Bruce, Hannan, O'Brien, McLean, Sweet = 5 off

In: Coffield, Harmes, Scott (upgrade) = 3 on

2 Rookie spots open following the delisting of McComb and Scott being upgraded to the primary list.


Has Taylor Duryea been confirmed as signing up for another year? If So, it leaves Crozier and Bedendo to be determined. Some of the talk from Twomey indicated we would likely be taking 4 picks to the draft which would mean these 2 would have to be delisted.

If we delist Rourke and McNeill (I think we should let them go) we could go to the draft with 4 picks in the National draft and up to 4 in the rookie draft.

By my reckoning, just checking the rules, 10.11.3 indicated we can elevate rookies between the ND & RD. If this is still the case, we can elevate Scott after the ND and not include him for the purposes of list spots/picks with points.

So we are a net 3 spots on the main list, if that?s still current. We need more spots open for picks with points to use.

McNeil & Roarke must be delisted or promoted having expired their maximum term of three years, so we will have four vacancies on the rookie list.

I think we need to delist Dom & Croz to take the open spots to 5. But I?d like 7 spots.

I?m trying to find the exact rule, but the AFEL don?t make it easy for the average Joe to access them all. But I seem to now recall there?s leeway of two extra picks if your rookie list is larger than 4. We are six. So if this is the rule, after delisting Dom & Croz (5 net spots), we could take it 7 picks with points for strategic reasons. Pick 5 and then the 6 others to cover Croft & Lual if he slides. (Or we formally rebalance the list and change it back at list lodgement)

From there the 5 net spots are the four picks and Scott elevated between drafts. Then we do a list lodgement and unfortunately we still six rookie list spots, despite taking the buffer of two into the ND.

Then it?s Baker & Poulter (JOD stays Cat B if that?s our agreement with him). Then four rookie list spots. Which I guess breaks down two picks, an SSP (DFA) and a MSD spot left open.

The thing I?d love to know from Power would be how many picks he wants to take in for points. He acquired 5 later picks this period so it?s at least 6 (Pick 5 plus these five traded in picks). But whether he?d like to take in 69 as well which will come in a heap. That could allow for some live trading flexibility.

I?m not really sure why Dom & Croz haven?t been cut yet, if Duryea has been extended.

[G-Mo77]

✍️ The Western Bulldogs have re-signed veteran small defender Taylor Duryea [@JoshGabelich]

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I haven't seen anything official but this is the closest.

I would have kept Scott on the RL. We'll be wanting his head at the end of 2024 and will be stuck with him. Bad move.

[Axe Man]

✍️ The Western Bulldogs have re-signed veteran small defender Taylor Duryea [@JoshGabelich]

�� Follow @TheSaltyBulldog on Twitter

I haven't seen anything official but this is the closest.

I would have kept Scott on the RL. We'll be wanting his head at the end of 2024 and will be stuck with him. Bad move.

I don't think we have a choice with Scott as he has to be upgraded after 3 years on the rookie list and being contracted until the end of 2025.

[Axe Man]

Bedendo remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1459925/bedendo-remains-in-red-white-and-blue)

Bulldogs utility Dom Bedendo will continue his career in the red, white and blue after signing a one-year contract extension tying him to the Club until the end of the 2024 season.

Injury prevented the 21-year-old from adding to his two games in 2022, after being selected at Pick 55 in the 2020 National Draft from the Murray Bushrangers.

The youngster made his debut against the Lions in Round 16, 2022.

Bulldogs General Manager of List and Recruiting Sam Power was pleased for Bedendo to remain at the Club.

“Dom hasn’t had much luck with injury over the past 12 months, but we feel he’s got real growth in his game heading into 2024,” Power said.

“He has shown glimpses throughout his games at VFL and AFL level and will benefit from a full pre-season, beginning in November.

“Dom’s athletic traits and ability to compete in the air will hold him in good stead as he aims for more regular football next season.”

Bedendo’s re-signing completes the Bulldogs on-field changes in the lead up to the National and Rookie Drafts in late November.

[ledge]

Bedendo remains in red, white and blue (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1459925/bedendo-remains-in-red-white-and-blue)

Bulldogs utility Dom Bedendo will continue his career in the red, white and blue after signing a one-year contract extension tying him to the Club until the end of the 2024 season.

Injury prevented the 21-year-old from adding to his two games in 2022, after being selected at Pick 55 in the 2020 National Draft from the Murray Bushrangers.

The youngster made his debut against the Lions in Round 16, 2022.

Bulldogs General Manager of List and Recruiting Sam Power was pleased for Bedendo to remain at the Club.

“Dom hasn’t had much luck with injury over the past 12 months, but we feel he’s got real growth in his game heading into 2024,” Power said.

“He has shown glimpses throughout his games at VFL and AFL level and will benefit from a full pre-season, beginning in November.

“Dom’s athletic traits and ability to compete in the air will hold him in good stead as he aims for more regular football next season.”

Bedendo’s re-signing completes the Bulldogs on-field changes in the lead up to the National and Rookie Drafts in late November.

I’m happy about that , he is extremely good in the air .
If we can get all these talls and great markers of the ball to come together the ball will never hit the ground.

[EasternWest]

I'm ok with this.

[bornadog]

Still young, so let's see how he goes.

[hujsh]

There was a couple week period in the VFL where he showed he could find the ball (24 touches and 21) and that's what he'll need to improve on and do regularly to get in to the AFL team IMO. Hopeful that he can