PDA

View Full Version : Bont still a Brownlow chance after quirk of MRO timing



Mofra
20-08-2019, 03:30 PM
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-20/bont-still-a-brownlow-chance-after-quirk-of-mro-timing


A QUIRK of timing has saved Marcus Bontempelli's Brownlow hopes and his chances of potentially featuring in the AFL finals.

Bontempelli was only fined $2000 from the Match Review this week after his late bump on Nick Haynes during Sunday's victory over the Giants was classified as 'low' impact.

However, it has since been revealed that Haynes – who was struggling to breathe in the immediate aftermath of the blow – sustained a rare fracture to his cricoid (a ring-shaped cartilage around his windpipe) as a result.

It means the important defender – who is a Virgin Australia AFL All Australian candidate – could miss up to four weeks, putting his own chances of appearing in the club's upcoming finals campaign in doubt.

AFL.com.au understands Haynes had undergone scans in the early afternoon on Monday and was preparing to meet with specialists at the time the Giants were required to submit their medical report to the AFL.

Not yet knowing the full extent of the injury, it left Match Review Officer (MRO) Michael Christian with little evidence to determine the impact of the blow by the time he was required to hand down his findings.

It also meant the Giants were left with no opportunity to present more information to the AFL on Haynes' injury.

Giants officials have subsequently expressed their disappointment in the process to the AFL.

However, in a statement released on Tuesday, an AFL spokesperson said: "The Match Review Officer can only adjudicate based on the available evidence at the time."

Had the extent of Haynes' injury been known at the time of the MRO's decision, the bump almost certainly would have been assessed as either 'high' or 'severe' impact.

That would have left Bontempelli staring at either an automatic two-match suspension or a direct referral to the AFL Tribunal, which would have more than likely been advised to hand down a ban of three or more matches.

Without the relevant knowledge at the time of his decision, Christian was forced to use the fact that Haynes only spent a small amount of time on the bench – before playing out the game – as evidence to suggest 'low' impact.

However, the incident occurred with just one minute remaining in the first half, with Giants medics understood to have tended to Haynes throughout the 20-minute interval.

The Giants do not believe that was taken into consideration by the MRO.

Speaking on Tuesday, Giants footy boss Wayne Campbell also revealed that Haynes' inability to breathe properly continued after the final siren.

"It was a very rare one – our doctors haven't seen one before," Campbell said.

"He managed to see out the game … he couldn't breathe at the end of the game, but the doctors did the right thing by him after that. Disappointingly, he'll miss this week."

Haynes returned to the field after the main break, playing the entirety of the second half of the contest and finishing with 26 disposals and nine marks in defence.

"There was certainly consideration to ('medium' impact)," Christian had told AFL.com.au on Monday.

"He did come out onto the ground after half-time and played out the second half, so that was certainly a contributing factor in terms of that determination."

Christian did use the medical report to determine that Haynes had been struck in the throat as a result of the bump. That led him to assessing the contact grading as 'high'.

Where the AFL can appeal decisions made at the AFL Tribunal based on the fact it is an independent body, it cannot appeal the decisions made by the MRO.

This is due to the MRO being an AFL-endorsed decision-maker, meaning there is no action that either the League or the Giants can take following Haynes' scan results.

bulldogtragic
20-08-2019, 03:33 PM
Haynes out of week one of finals. Good for which ever team gets them. Hopefully us.

hujsh
20-08-2019, 03:33 PM
Is this the incident where Bont bumps into the guy and immediately raised his arms up?

If so it didn't look too hard and seems like more of an awkward impact than an intent to hurt.

All this article really shows is that

a) the Giants wanted Bont to be rubbed out
b) the MRO is completely dependent on knowing the outcome and that's far more important than the intent and action. I'm not sure that should be the case unless you find they were clearly reckless or acted illegally. Once you've done that you should then assess the damage done.

comrade
20-08-2019, 03:37 PM
The Bont dodging bullets like Neo in the Matrix.

Mofra
20-08-2019, 03:45 PM
It's weird, I don't think there was much malicious intent there but the injury is significant.

1eyedog
20-08-2019, 03:57 PM
The party gets even better.

The Doctor
20-08-2019, 03:59 PM
Wayne Campbell involved. What do we expect?

bornadog
20-08-2019, 04:02 PM
Wayne Campbell involved. What do we expect?

The good old snitch

Sedat
20-08-2019, 04:36 PM
The Bont dodging bullets like Neo in the Matrix.
Get on him for the Brownlow. Time for payback 22 years after Granty was wrongfully denied his.

macca
20-08-2019, 04:40 PM
The good old snitch

His got form at the tribunal . One of the few things he was consistent at apart from playing a lot of losing games for Richmond

Topdog
20-08-2019, 04:40 PM
Very strange for a club to comment essentially pleading for a player to be suspended

choconmientay
20-08-2019, 05:03 PM
a) the Giants wanted Bont to be rubbed out


It could be internally they are probably planning to play us in the EF and wanted Bont out via MRO hence they took time to prepare the medical report. Too bad it didn't go their way.

The Specialist they booked Haynes in must be a secret Bulldogs supporter ;)

Hotdog60
20-08-2019, 05:48 PM
I watched the replay and there wasn't much in it. The Bont was going for the smother and couldn't make it and then braced for contact and had pulled up and slowed down for the hit.
He raised his hands as he realised he has given away a free.
I think it just an unlucky hit that he got hurt. The Bont even dropped his knees to avoid a head clash.
Now I even dislike them more if that's possible bunch of sooks.

The bulldog tragician
20-08-2019, 06:11 PM
Oh for heavens sake. I was amazed the Tribunal even considered this one. It was a body collision that could hardly have been avoided. The club that harbours Jeremy Cameron who caused brain bleeding in his assault on a player, and Toby Greene planting his foot on a players jaw, is dropping its lower lip like a toddler because Bont wasn’t outed? They are such an ordinary bunch of individuals.

Twodogs
20-08-2019, 06:28 PM
What a pack of sooks. I wish they had some supporters so we could at least have somebody to taunt.

They don't even have any bots set up to pretend follow them on twitter. At least if you say something political you can be sure a bot will snap back.

Testekill
20-08-2019, 07:06 PM
The fact that they came out and complained is evidence that they wanted Bont to miss the final. Utterly ordinary and a blatant attempt to sabotage us.

chef
20-08-2019, 07:50 PM
Lets not talk like we've made the finals.

ratsmac
20-08-2019, 08:32 PM
GWS can go *!*!*!*! themselves and Campbell can stick his medical report where the sun don't shine. Wayne Campbell is a *!*!*!*! wit of the highest order. Excuse the french but that is an absolute disgraceful act to try get Bontempelli suspended for such an un malicious bump. I thought the club should've contested the $2000 fine as I thought it was unjust. A free kick was warranted and that's it.

Michael Christian can jam it too while I'm on a rant. Jack Ziebal has been doing worst than what Bontempelli did for years and has no case to answer.

What a load of rubbish the AFEL has become.

comrade
20-08-2019, 08:35 PM
Lets not talk like we've made the finals.

Exactly. It’s going to be the biggest let down of all time if we lose.

chef
20-08-2019, 08:38 PM
Exactly. It’s going to be the biggest let down of all time if we lose.

Im nervous as *!*!*!*!, big game everything on the line and the opponent is the Crows who we've choked a fair few times before .

Flamethrower
20-08-2019, 09:17 PM
The fine was an absolute joke. Marcus DID NOT choose to bump - the collision was unavoidable so he stopped his momentum and braced to minimize impact. He then lowered his body to avoid head contact.

To say the contact was high is a fail anatomically - contact was to the upper chest which is where the base of the larynx is located.

If Marcus had have been suspended for that, that would be it for me as far as the AFL is concerned.

ledge
20-08-2019, 09:32 PM
I wonder if this could be another Collins moment re Chris Grant.

anfo27
20-08-2019, 09:51 PM
So he couldn't breathe properly but played the entire second half in a game they got flogged. Shouldn't there be questions on the giants medical staff if they are allowing a player back on the field that is having difficulty breathing?

I think i'll wait until week 1 of the finals & see if Haynes is playing or not before i believe that medical report. Something tells me he will be playing though.

Twodogs
20-08-2019, 10:05 PM
So he couldn't breathe properly but played the entire second half in a game they got flogged. Shouldn't there be questions on the giants medical staff if they are allowing a player back on the field that is having difficulty breathing?

I think i'll wait until week 1 of the finals & see if Haynes is playing or not before i believe that medical report. Something tells me he will be playing though.

If that is GWS' own medical assessment then he shouldn't be allowed to play for as long as their own medical diagnosis says he is unfit.

macca
20-08-2019, 10:15 PM
If that is GWS' own medical assessment then he shouldn't be allowed to play for as long as their own medical diagnosis says he is unfit.

The medical staff should be asked to take lie detector. How can you ask a player to come back on when they have breathing difficulty ? It makes no sense .


Ziebell deliberately charged cloke and broke his ribs with full intent , and gets off with nothing other than “fair “ bump

MRO hate us and will try to go out of their way to suspend or fine our players
Aka redpath

Screw the MRO what a farce .

ledge
20-08-2019, 10:23 PM
The medical staff should be asked to take lie detector. How can you ask a player to come back on when they have breathing difficulty ? It makes no sense .


Ziebell deliberately charged cloke and broke his ribs with full intent , and gets off with nothing other than “fair “ bump

MRO hate us and will try to go out of their way to suspend or fine our players
Aka redpath

Screw the MRO what a farce .

Well it’s worked in our favour this time.

jeemak
20-08-2019, 10:53 PM
They are still hurting over 2016, bless their cotton socks.

josie
20-08-2019, 11:22 PM
They are still hurting over 2016, bless their cotton socks.

This is a beaut post

I like Haynes and hope he is ok. No way does Bont deserve a suspension. Hate those orange campaigners even more.

1eyedog
21-08-2019, 07:44 AM
They are still hurting over 2016, bless their cotton socks.

It will be their 1997 forever.

1eyedog
21-08-2019, 07:48 AM
Exactly. It’s going to be the biggest let down of all time if we lose.

Agreed. It would actually be very Bulldogs of old to lose this.

Mofra
21-08-2019, 08:56 AM
Very strange for a club to comment essentially pleading for a player to be suspended
It's quite possible we play them in two weeks time again.
It's pure self interest.

westdog54
21-08-2019, 09:06 AM
This is not a 'Quirk of MRO timing' in the slightest.

This is GWS coming out with a diagnosis 2 days after the fact, AFTER they allowed said player, who apparently was struggling to breathe, play out the remainder of the match.

Either their medical department are incompetent or their football department are spiteful. Either way its nothing to do with the MRO's timeframe.

Mantis
21-08-2019, 09:30 AM
This is not a 'Quirk of MRO timing' in the slightest.

This is GWS coming out with a diagnosis 2 days after the fact, AFTER they allowed said player, who apparently was struggling to breathe, play out the remainder of the match.

Either their medical department are incompetent or their football department are spiteful. Either way its nothing to do with the MRO's timeframe.

I think it is.

My understanding is that the finding handed down was low impact, but this was based purely by judgement and without a medical report. The MRO should have been in discussion with GWS to determine when a medical report would be made available and delayed the finding until this time... if it was known the medical report would be made available only a few hours later.

In saying that I don't believe it was a reportable offence, but if it was determined to be by the MRO then the decision needs have all evidence provided and not be half-arsed like it is in this case.

Twodogs
21-08-2019, 01:15 PM
I think it is.

My understanding is that the finding handed down was low impact, but this was based purely by judgement and without a medical report. The MRO should have been in discussion with GWS to determine when a medical report would be made available and delayed the finding until this time... if it was known the medical report would be made available only a few hours later.

In saying that I don't believe it was a reportable offence, but if it was determined to be by the MRO then the decision needs have all evidence provided and not be half-arsed like it is in this case.


But half arsed and this AFL commission seem to go hand in hand!

Axe Man
22-08-2019, 01:54 PM
I completely agree with Bevo here, not sure what else Bont could have done?


Haynes will miss 2-4 weeks with a fractured larynx, which Beveridge labelled as "tragic", but he stands firm in his belief that match review decisions should be based on intent and whether there's any malice, rather the outcome.

"Marcus takes ground quickly, he's anticipating one of two things; one, Nick Haynes uses deception and baulks him and gets around him, so he's got to be careful, he's got to short his steps and he's got to slow down a fraction.

"Or two, he kicks the ball. Nick in his desire to get the most out of his kick, he kicks it extremely late.

"Marcus has virtually stopped and Nick's momentum has taken him into Marcus and what's he going to do but stand there."