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Axe Man
14-01-2020, 11:17 AM
THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY – WESTERN BULLDOGS SEASON PREVIEW 2020 (https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2020/2020/01/13/the-good-bad-and-ugly-western-bulldogs-season-preview-2020/?fbclid=IwAR38OqfnZpzuIdrYq2D2dMkrFseDxSbE-WqAE2IxV654hJkO5a-lRO0hYp4)
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So, we’re making this an annual tradition now – extensive season previews for all 18 teams in this format because… well, people seem to like the Good, Bad, Ugly format for game reviews and I thought why not? Also, I really like Clint Eastwood.

The Dogs leapt back into the minds of a casual fans with a second half of the season that looked as though it would provide a springboard into the finals. However, the pre-finals bye – the one that aided them so much en route to their 2016 triumph, worked the opposite way this time, halting their momentum. They crashed out in spectacular form, on the end of a beat down by a team they had thoroughly humiliated just weeks before.

Can the Dogs hit the finals hard in 2020? Can they take their new acquisitions, welcome back a familiar face or two and give the flag a genuine crack in 2020? Let’s explore

THE GOOD

THIS IS THE BONT WE’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR

I wasn’t a fan of Marcus Bontempelli’s 2018 season. There were points where I felt he looked out of sorts and almost as though he was going through the motions as his team floundered for the second-straight year. Part of me wondered whether his form was symptomatic of the team, or vice versa.

I got my answer in 2019, when Bont slipped into high gear and started to make good on the potential he showed in 2016, and became the player he’s been threatening to be for a while now. The Bulldogs followed suit. Bont finally became an undoubted superstar and the Dogs were in form again.

There are others who get more of the ball, and sure they have their fans in AFL circles, but when Marcus Bontempelli grabs the ball at a stoppage and runs into the forward half, there are few better sights in the game. The comparisons between him and Patrick Cripps have been flying around all day today on Twitter. I’ve checked in on them here and there to see if anyone made convincing arguments either way, and it’s made me smile a bit. They’re very different players that just happened to be chosen in the same draft. Both great, both dominant, and both capable of swinging a game in their team’s favour.

And this is exactly what we saw in 2019.

Their two meetings last year were polar opposites. Cripps destroyed an unaccountable Bont in their first meeting, but in their second, Bont burst from the gates like a man with a point to prove. Make no mistake – it was the early efforts of Bontempelli that gave the Dogs the lead that won the game. The Blues may have come back hard, but Bont ensured the Dogs were in a position to win long before the Carlton revival occurred.

So, after winning the Coaches Association Player of the Year Award in 2019, what is the next logical step for the three-time Charlie Sutton Medallist? Many would think the Brownlow would be something he would be right in contention for, particularly if the Dogs improve on their 2019 result and amass a few more wins, but I’d like something more… meaty.

What I would like to see Bont take a finals game and tear it to shreds. I’d like to see him make a stand in the middle, tear the ball out of there to give his forwards a series of clear one-on-one chances, and then drift forward later in the game, himself to slam a couple home.

Reputations are made in September, and whilst Bont already has a premiership medallion to prove he more than belongs, being the best player on the best team is something that only the great ones ever achieve – it is all in front of him this season

THE MIDFIELD SUPPORTING CAST

There was another Bulldog on the podium as the All-Australian team was named last September, and that honour has never been as richly deserved as when Jack Macrae was named in the team.

Macrae has been an unstoppable ball-winning machine for the Dogs over the last couple of seasons, capable of tearing a team to shreds on the outside, or winning his own ball where necessary. That he has a running mate like Bontempelli means that Macrae will usually get a relatively free run at the footy, as most of the defensive attention goes to his new Captain, however it might be time for teams to rethink that strategy.

You see, it is not just Bont that hurts, and for that matter it is not just Macrae that hurts, either. 2019 saw the emergence of the third member of this elite midfield trio, that pound-for-pound, would have to be the best in the game right now.

After six games masquerading as a forward, Josh Dunkley was unleashed into the midfield, with devastating results. Whilst Macrae is the finesse, and Bontempelli is the heart of the team, Josh Dunkley is the Junkyard Dog. The Junkyard Bulldog, perhaps? He will get down and dirty, tackle you until your insides burst, and then win his own footy as well.

Get these numbers – once Dunkley made his way into the midfield, he averaged 30.16 touches, 6.27 tackles and 6.11 clearances per game. To put it in perspective, on those numbers he would have been ninth in the league in disposals, 13th in clearances and 13th in tackles (amazingly, he was 13th in tackles anyway, so there you go). They’re the sort of numbers that the best midfielder on a team garners.

Dunkley would be considered by most as the third mid on this team. It’s crazy.

Two of the Western Bulldogs mids made the All-Australian team in 2019. The last time three mids on the same team made the AA team was in 2016, when Kennedy, Parker and Hannebery all made it from Sydney. We might see three Dogs in there in 2020.

THE BEST YOUNG FORWARD IN THE BUSINESS

Yes, forwards take a long time to mature – we’ve all heard that, right? The coaches preach patience whilst the media salivate over the next big thing and the possibilities of bags of goals.

And then along comes a kid who looks like a pretty good defender in the making, until the coach decides he might be a bit of alright if he throws him up forward.

Then, as a teenager, he goes about his business and comes within one grab of toppling the contested mark record, held by a player many view as the greatest of the modern era, Wayne Carey. But that’s where we find Aaron Naughton as we prepare for the 2020 season, already displaying and refining the kind of marking prowess that other young key forwards are trying to locate.

His nine contested marks against the much-celebrated Richmond defence were an ominous sign of what is on the horizon. Naughton isn’t waiting for the game to come to him – he is grabbing it by the throat and giving it an almighty shake. He is yet to play a game in his 20s, yet sat second to only Tom Lynch in contested grabs for the 2019 season.

He did this without a legitimate secondary marking target inside 50, as the Dogs looked to him as their bail-out option every time they needed one.

It’s hard to believe that Josh Schache averaged more goals per game than Naughton in 2019. Naughton had just 1.39 to Schache’s 1.71, but there is no question as to which player is more valuable to the team right now.

If we were to grab a bunch of list managers and ask them which player they would grab right now to build around, I wonder how many would choose the 20 year old Naughton. Many would probably grab a midfielder. Not me. Naughton would be my choice – key forwards who are ready to deliver before getting off their P-Plates don’t grow on trees. Aaron Naughton not only delivered in 2019, he delivered more than the Dogs had a right to expect.

Let’s assume he improves again – and why wouldn’t he improve again? What would be the ceiling for him in 2020? He averaged 2.3 contested grabs last season. Matt Taberner was leading the league until he was injured at 2.7 – there’s your Naughton benchmark for 2020. For goals, you’d want him to have a slight gain at least – up from 32 goals to around the 40-mark.

If he accomplishes those targets, he will be knocking on the door of the AA team in short order.

I have to admit, when Luke Beveridge started playing Naughton up forward, I thought he may have been flirting with the form of the youngster. Naughton had started to look right at home in his first season, but as we neared the end of 2018, there he was popping into the forward 50. I suppose the ends justify the means.

There are several good young contested marking players coming through right now. Harry McKay at Carlton and Mitchell Lewis at Hawthorn are two that are nipping at the heels of Naughton, but from what I saw in 2019, they have a way to go yet. He is now the standard by which young marking forwards are set.

And he is only going to get better.

THE NEW RECRUITS

I’ll touch on the ruck situation and why I thought the Dogs should have been targeting a secondary ruck below, but in landing both Josh Bruce and Alex Keath, you’d have to declare this trade period a success for the boys from Whitten Oval.

Whilst I obviously rate Aaron Naughton incredibly highly, the addition of Josh Bruce to an already potent forward line is a ripping move by the Dogs. Bruce was sixth in the league in contested marks in 2019, and when you consider that Naughton was second, you start to get a picture of what the pair can do for each other up forward.

Bruce really established himself as powerhouse inside 50, taking seven contested grabs on two occasions last season, one of which coincided with a six-goal haul against the Kangaroos.

At the other end, Alex Keath was having his name thrown around as a possible All-Australian candidate before injury sent him to the sidelines. Having him back there with Easton Wood, Hayden Crozier and Jackson Trengove fortifies a pretty strong defensive six for the Dogs.

It was against the Dogs last season that Keath really strutted his stuff, finishing with 21possessions and 14 marks as the Crows took home the four points. Now, with a weapon like Keath patrolling his own defensive 50, Luke Beveridge would have a smile from ear to ear.

Are these two inclusions enough to propel the Dogs deeper into the finals? Neither has experienced any September action to this point in their careers, and they appear to have joined a team on the upswing.

OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS

I touched on Josh Bruce and Aaron Naughton above, and I feel as though with Bruce’s inclusion, the Dogs possess one of the most diverse forward set ups in the game.

Bruce and Naughton will hit contests hard, but it is the other sneaky (underrated talent) forwards that have the capacity to bring the pain even when the big blokes aren’t clunking them.

Sam Lloyd was an inspired pick up by the Dogs in 2019, so much so that he ended up leading their goal kicking totals for the season. Lloyd was starved for opportunity at Richmond and certainly made good on his them with the Dogs.

But it doesn’t end there.

Tory Dickson and Josh Schache both snagged 24 goals for the year and Bailey Dale bobbed up late in the season to provide yet another reliable avenue to goal. From Rounds 18-23, Dale kicked 20 goals, including two bags of five as he seemed to continuously get into the right spots at the right time. Whether he can do it over the course of a full season, of course, remains the challenge, but to average over three goals per game in a six-game stretch is nothing to sneeze at.

Waiting in the winds is Billy Gowers, who led the team in goals in 2018 but couldn’t find his way into the side for more than ten games in 2019. Whilst I am sure Gowers isn’t happy about it, it is a great sign for the Dogs to have someone like him ready to swoop on an opportunity should it become available.

THE STEALTH BOMBER

The Dogs are blessed with high-possessions winners and a midfield that can cut teams to ribbons, but one man that continually gets left out of the equation (as I did above) is Lachie Hunter.

So, given there is no such thing as word limits at The Mongrel, why not give the bloke his own section?

After a blistering 2018 placed him firmly in the spotlight, averaging over 29 touches per game, Hunter slipped back to play purely an outside game in 2019, with his contested touches dropping to six per game whilst his uncontested possessions remained over 20 per game. Used as an attacking weapon on the wing, Hunter averages a career-high 4.48 inside 50s per game and ran at an impressive 78% efficiency.

The Dogs have plenty of players who hurt by foot. Hunter, Suckling, Daniel, Johannisen – it’s an embarrassment of riches, really. You simply cannot cover them all. When the big midfield trio fires, it opens the door for the likes of Hunter to find the footy in open spaces without undue attention.

When the Dogs can manufacture space for Hunter to work in, it often spells doom for the opposition. The Dogs were 6-2 when Hunter had 30+ disposals in 2019. If they can get him loose, everyone feeds.

Axe Man
14-01-2020, 11:18 AM
THE BAD

THE LITTLE MAN IN DEFENCE

At one point last season I heard people floating Caleb Daniel’s name as a potential All-Australian half back. I actually couldn’t believe my ears (or if I read it, it might have been my eyes I doubted). Whilst Daniel is a wonderful ball user, and excellent decision-maker, he is a complete liability in defence.

How many times early in the season did we see Daniel isolated with an opponent either at half forward or inside 50? It is a mismatch waiting to happen, and I was a little shocked that Luke Beveridge allowed it to happen so often.

With Daniel at half back, the Dogs were 7-10. I am sure I don’t need to remind anyone that this team made the finals, so I will leave it to all the math magicians out there to calculate their record without him in the team.

I’m not saying there is no place for Daniel in the team – far from it. I just don’t want to see him being exploited so easily by an intelligent forward. So, where to play him to maximise his strengths and limit his weakness?

High half forward or the wing seem like genuine options for Daniel. As I stated above, his ball use is excellent, and I would like to see him with more inside 50s than rebound 50s. In 2019, he averaged 5.94 rebound 50s to just 2.12 inside 50s. With Matt Suckling highly capable of playing that sweeping role across half back, could Daniel be the player that honours the leads of Naughton and Bruce in 2020?

I’d much prefer him in that role than looking around at his teammates wondering how he got caught in yet another one-on-one marking contest in defence.

TIME TO GROW UP… NOW!

I’ve written a bit about Tim English over the off-season, and there is a very good reason for it. His development could be the key to the Dogs taking the next step. Until this point, he has been bullied by mature rucks, and as he heads into year four of his AFL career, the Western Bulldogs will rely on him more than they ever have.

The Dogs didn’t get a back-up ruck in the off-season. I thought they’d really go after Paddy Ryder to assist English when competing against the monsters of the competition, but either they failed miserably, or they have so much faith in the development of English that they did not deem an experienced body necessary.

It is a very risky strategy.

Last season, the Bulldogs won the hit out count once.

Just once.

It is testament to the ability of the Dogs’ midfield that they were able to win the total clearances on 13 occasions. Imagine what they could do if English actually started getting his hand to the footy first? The Dogs were easily the worst ruck team in the competition in 2019, lagging behind a Sydney team that relied on Callum Sinclair. The same Callum Sinclair that had 44 hit outs against the Dogs in Round One.

Here’s another stat for you. 50 hit outs in a game is relatively rare for all but the best rucks in the game. Opposed to English, players did it five times in 2019. This cannot continue.

In Round One the Dogs face Collingwood, with Brodie Grundy hungrily eyeing an opponent he averaged 23.5 disposals and 54 hit outs against. In this game, Tim English has to stand up. He was bullied by Grundy last season in a pair of efforts that resulted in six Brownlow votes.

Can English hurt Grundy on the rebound? Can he drift forward and kick a couple of goals to even the ledger? Can he put his knee into Grundy’s chest and let him know that the boy Grundy pushed around is no more, and in his place stands a mature AFL ruckman?

We get our answer in Round One.

THE UGLY

A SOFT UNDERBELLY?

This might be a bit hard to read for Dogs supporters, but it’s the truth, and you know it.

GWS beat you up in the Elimination Final. They took a team that absolute humiliated them two games earlier and they rubbed their nose in it with a brand of football that was simply too tough for the Dogs on the day. Yes, there was a furore over Toby Greene’s treatment of Bont, and yes I suppose Dogs fans had every right to be upset about it, but my question is – where was the response from the players?

I heard a couple of players state in the media that they wish they knew their captain was being worked over by the Giants. What game were they part of? How did they miss it? Were they not listening at half time and three quarter time? Why didn’t they respond then instead of lamenting it after the fact?

There is a bit of chatter that the Giants exposed the Dogs a little in that Elimination Final. A few people have mentioned to me that they believe the Dogs were a bit soft. That has to sting a little, right?

Granted, the Dogs were missing Tom Liberatore and Mitch Wallis; two who seem the type to fly the flag, but if the entire team is going to rely on just those two to even things up, they had better reassess the strategy.

Mark your calendars – Round Three, under the bright lights of Friday night footy is where the Dogs have their chance to show that the lesson they learned the hard way was a lesson they learned well. If the Giants try any of that bullshit again, the Dogs have to respond, and not just with a little push and shove – they have to respond with a ferocity that leaves no question as to whether they are willing to fly the flag.

Hyperbole can get the better of us all at times, but anyone who has played footy knows how you can look forward to a certain matchup, more so than others. You know when there’s a team you dislike, or in some cases you might even hate them. You know in that game when there is the chance to line someone up and make them pay, you’re going to do it.

I reckon there are a few Bulldogs with Round Three circled on their own calendars right now. Yeah they very well might wish they knew Bont was being targeted in the Elimination Final, but this is when they actually get to do something about it. They know it happened now, and there are no excuses.

Let the fireworks begin.

GVGjr
14-01-2020, 11:45 AM
Thanks for adding that Axeman, really appreciated

bornadog
14-01-2020, 12:26 PM
In regards to the articles opinion on the Elimination Final, all I can say is there is a big difference between tough and dirty, and GWS are plainly dirty. All the behind play stuff should have been stopped by the umpires, but it continued throughout the match. I don't want us to come out and play like them. I want us to play hard, and don't shirk a contest.

Dry Rot
15-01-2020, 12:16 AM
Sorry, I was at the EF and it wasn't just the dirty stuff. The Giants totally outplayed us across the park, and missed many easy shots in the first quarter. It could have been a lot more ugly.

Funny enough, I reckon our backline did OK under those circumstances.

soupman
15-01-2020, 06:39 AM
I agree. GWS were dirty but they were also way harder and tougher than us, and we allowed ourselves to be bullied.

Whingeing that the umpires didn't protect us does not excuse the fact that we meekly rolled over without even a semblance of fight.

GVGjr
15-01-2020, 07:25 AM
I agree. GWS were dirty but they were also way harder and tougher than us, and we allowed ourselves to be bullied.

Whingeing that the umpires didn't protect us does not excuse the fact that we meekly rolled over without even a semblance of fight.

What we apparently hate about GWS now is something that we loved and fully embraced about our club at different times over the years.
Agree that our response was poor. The one thing you can control in football is the amount of vigour you bring to each game and in a final where we knew they would come at us hard we were found wanting and well below the required mark.
The umpires weren't the problem

bornadog
15-01-2020, 08:56 AM
Sorry, I was at the EF and it wasn't just the dirty stuff. The Giants totally outplayed us across the park, and missed many easy shots in the first quarter. It could have been a lot more ugly.

Funny enough, I reckon our backline did OK under those circumstances.

Agree, but I wasn't saying we lost due to GWS dirty stuff. I was commenting on the article talking about toughness.


I agree. GWS were dirty but they were also way harder and tougher than us, and we allowed ourselves to be bullied.

Whingeing that the umpires didn't protect us does not excuse the fact that we meekly rolled over without even a semblance of fight.

Who said anything about whingeing or using it as an excuse?????. I said the dirty stuff was allowed to go on behind play - that is just not football anymore like the bad old days. The umpires just let things go.


What we apparently hate about GWS now is something that we loved and fully embraced about our club at different times over the years.

If you are talking about the 80s, or the three amigos, that is no longer acceptable in football and I don't want to see it again.

Make no mistake GWS were dirty - yes they were hard at the ball as well, but I am talking about the numerous incidences that happened during the game.

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 10:06 AM
What we apparently hate about GWS now is something that we loved and fully embraced about our club at different times over the years.
Agree that our response was poor. The one thing you can control in football is the amount of vigour you bring to each game and in a final where we knew they would come at us hard we were found wanting and well below the required mark.
The umpires weren't the problem

I don't know that thumping blokes off the ball, targeting youngsters and all around acting like the big man on campus has the panache that it once did. Personally I think that it's as *!*!*!*!ing weak as and I don't want to see my team stooping to those levels of thuggery. In fact, if they do then that's it for me-I'm out, that was the sort of thing teams carried on with back in the day but it no longer butters the parsnips.

The umpires should have penalized the first instance and continued to penalize until GWS stopped shitting the nest. If we are going to worry about in the game then I can tell you right now that, as a single parent who bought up two kids by myself, when I see that level of violence in a game that EVERYONE (including mums who decide on what sport their kids play) was watching then we won't have kids playing the game.

bornadog
15-01-2020, 11:02 AM
I don't know that thumping blokes off the ball, targeting youngsters and all around acting like the big man on campus has the panache that it once did. Personally I think that it's as *!*!*!*!ing weak as and I don't want to see my team stooping to those levels of thuggery. In fact, if they do then that's it for me-I'm out, that was the sort of thing teams carried on with back in the day but it no longer butters the parsnips.

The umpires should have penalized the first instance and continued to penalize until GWS stopped shitting the nest. If we are going to worry about in the game then I can tell you right now that, as a single parent who bought up two kids by myself, when I see that level of violence in a game that EVERYONE (including mums who decide on what sport their kids play) was watching then we won't have kids playing the game.

Spot on TD, couldn't have expressed it better myself. Big difference between dirty play and tough play.

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 11:38 AM
Spot on TD, couldn't have expressed it better myself. Big difference between dirty play and tough play.

I like to think that I am tough. But I'm not dirty, I would never hit someone from behind and I'd never run past the contest and clean someone up off the ball. In fact if I saw one of my teammates do that then we would be having a little talk about it and if I wasn't happy with the outcome then I'd take him out myself at the quarter break-the footy ground has to be a safe place (and I'm a little bit crazy.)

bornadog
15-01-2020, 11:47 AM
I like to think that I am tough. But I'm not dirty, I would never hit someone from behind and I'd never run past the contest and clean someone up off the ball. In fact if I saw one of my teammates do that then we would be having a little talk about it and if I wasn't happy with the outcome then I'd take him out myself at the quarter break-the footy ground has to be a safe place (and I'm a little bit crazy.)

Yeah smacking The Bont in the guts 10 metres off the ball when he is over the boundary line and not expecting it is not tough, let alone all the other things he and others were subjected to.

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 11:55 AM
Yeah smacking The Bont in the guts 10 metres off the ball when he is over the boundary line and not expecting it is not tough, let alone all the other things he and others were subjected to.

What I can't understand is why we didn't strike back. If Marcus was my teammate and I saw his opponent do that then (like Elton John) I'd be a little bit happy because that means all the rules are off and I can go whack!

bornadog
15-01-2020, 12:03 PM
Next match v GWS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6vzKmL2j9Y&feature=youtu.be

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 12:09 PM
Next match v GWS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6vzKmL2j9Y&feature=youtu.be

Love it!!!

Let's do the mongrels' legs next time.

mjp
15-01-2020, 12:54 PM
What I can't understand is why we didn't strike back. If Marcus was my teammate and I saw his opponent do that then (like Elton John) I'd be a little bit happy because that means all the rules are off and I can go whack!

This was my frustration though 2D.

The rules - such as they are - are determined by the umpires on a given day. Sometimes a mark is paid following a 10m kick. Other games it is a 20m kick. Sometimes you can hold the ball in under tackle pressure and it will be a ball up. Othertimes it will be holding the ball. Players are smart and generally within 10-15min of the first bounce they have figured it out.

Our players didn't figure anything out on EF day. As someone who made the trip - and it was a bloody long trip from Perth featuring a midnight flight and all sorts of shenanigans in order to get there - the lack of effort and (to quote GVGjr) "VIGOUR" was pretty unbelievable. The worst thing about it was the GWS 'reaction' to what happened in the previous meeting was 100% predictable and - whilst the crossed the line at points during the game, ultimately the umpires tell the players where the line is (they blow the whistle when it is crossed!!) and the Giants players figured this out and ours didn't.

To BAD's point, I know he isn't whingeing about it (and nor are others on here) but whenever you complain about the umpires or the actions of the other team after a loss, it just SOUNDS LIKE sooking. If you win, you can draw attention to umpiring issues, opposition player 'actions' and the perception is that it is just about 'the facts'. After a loss though it just sounds like you are moaning and complaining about getting beaten in a 'fair fight' and the 'messaging' from the club (and us as supporters) after the game came across as very 'sooky' to me at least.

I'm not inside the group but I am confident that within the team the feeling will be no matter what happens in the future, we never get beaten like that again.

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 01:29 PM
Yeah fair point Mike. I don't usually have a lot of patience for whingeing but this game just got me.

It kind of worries me a bit that we are still talking about it like this 4 months down the track. I hope the players aren't. I hope they addressed it on day one of the preseason and it's burning a hole through each player and it's the first thing they thin k of when they walk through the doors to attack that days training. I want them all to be on the same page, IE no matter what happens in the future, we never get beaten like that again. in fact I'd like that exact quote on the back of our jumpers all through the preseason.

bornadog
15-01-2020, 01:46 PM
Yeah fair point Mike. I don't usually have a lot of patience for whingeing but this game just got me.

It kind of worries me a bit that we are still talking about it like this 4 months down the track. I hope the players aren't. I hope they addressed it on day one of the preseason and it's burning a hole through each player and it's the first thing they thin k of when they walk through the doors to attack that days training. I want them all to be on the same page, IE no matter what happens in the future, we never get beaten like that again. in fact I'd like that exact quote on the back of our jumpers all through the preseason.

We are only talking about it due to the article saying we are soft, and maybe we were. I believe it won't happen like that again.

Mofra
15-01-2020, 01:54 PM
We are only talking about it due to the article saying we are soft, and maybe we were. I believe it won't happen like that again.
We do seem to have a lot of 'nice' guys on the list.
Libba has a little bit of bastard about him, Bailey Smith as well. But who is our 'enforcer'? Trengove does it when he's on the paddock but he's no best 22 certainty. Cordy has a nice dose of mongrel in him, but I'm already running out of names.

BornInDroopSt'54
15-01-2020, 03:04 PM
Teams are going to target us with the tough stuff after the ES. Bevo being Bevo will have prep'd us. Will be interesting to see how we respond. We may see a team defence of a different kind.

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 03:04 PM
We do seem to have a lot of 'nice' guys on the list.
Libba has a little bit of bastard about him, Bailey Smith as well. But who is our 'enforcer'? Trengove does it when he's on the paddock but he's no best 22 certainty. Cordy has a nice dose of mongrel in him, but I'm already running out of names.

Umm. There's that bloke, who is number eight this year?

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 03:14 PM
Teams are going to target us with the tough stuff after the ES. Bevo being Bevo will have prep'd us. Will be interesting to see how we respond. We may see a team defence of a different kind.

I remember Bob Murphy saying he realised how hard you have to work when your team doesn't have the ball in a game against Brisbane early in his career when Martyn Pike ran 30 metres to knock him over at CHF even though he wasn't his direct opponent and the ball was 120 metres away.

Rocket Science
15-01-2020, 03:15 PM
We do seem to have a lot of 'nice' guys on the list.
Libba has a little bit of bastard about him, Bailey Smith as well. But who is our 'enforcer'? Trengove does it when he's on the paddock but he's no best 22 certainty. Cordy has a nice dose of mongrel in him, but I'm already running out of names.

Dunks is a hard bastard and Naughts is no shrinking violet either.

That said, who really needs an enforcer if we atone for the GWS effort with ferocious, collective intent and a certain level of non-negotiable solidarity if shitheads try it on like the fluoros did again. And why wouldn't they? They've seen it work.

As MJP suggests, when the next mob asks the question I'm quietly confident we'll have an answer.

BornInDroopSt'54
15-01-2020, 03:19 PM
I remember Bob Murphy saying he realised how hard you have to work when your team doesn't have the ball in a game against Brisbane early in his career when Martyn Pike ran 30 metres to knock him over at CHF even though he wasn't his direct opponent and the ball was 120 metres away.
Rightio but that is gutless, easy to target off the ball but I guess Pike targetted Bob cos he was a star and it let him know they 'respected' him.

Twodogs
15-01-2020, 06:29 PM
Rightio but that is gutless, easy to target off the ball but I guess Pike targetted Bob cos he was a star and it let him know they 'respected' him.

I think that it was the first it had happened to him but it's a fairly common thing. When players talk about "working hard off the ball" that usually means sitting blokes on their arse even though the ball is 60 metres away. It's something recruiters like to see and often that sort of thing will count as much as talent.

If they have two kids with the same amount of talent then the kid with the mongrel will get the list spot. It's the basic mistake that GWS made when they selected their original list. They went for talented kids but forgot that kids who had to fight to get or stay on lists are needed as well to push those kids. If they had got it right in the first place thy would have won the 2016 flag. It was the mongrel and fanaticism that got us over the line against them in the prelim.

MrMahatma
15-01-2020, 10:32 PM
I certainly hope it won’t happen again... but we’ve lost multiple games to lowly clubs due to not being switched on. Do we actually learn from our mistakes in matches that aren’t on our terms?

Eastdog
16-01-2020, 12:12 AM
I certainly hope it won’t happen again... but we’ve lost multiple games to lowly clubs due to not being switched on. Do we actually learn from our mistakes in matches that aren’t on our terms?

We simply cannot be complacent against these teams lower than us and go out their and get the job done - good old professional performance. That GC and Blues loss were bad and nearly cost us playing finals. I would have liked to continue on the momentum after a great first 2 weeks and maybe we would have been in a better position in 2019. The GWS EF game we were outplayed but we were also roughed up as well and I expect a big response when we meet them again. Hopefully in 2020 and future years will have more finals at home if we are able to finish higher on the ladder.

The Pie Man
16-01-2020, 11:27 AM
This was my frustration though 2D.

The rules - such as they are - are determined by the umpires on a given day. Sometimes a mark is paid following a 10m kick. Other games it is a 20m kick. Sometimes you can hold the ball in under tackle pressure and it will be a ball up. Othertimes it will be holding the ball. Players are smart and generally within 10-15min of the first bounce they have figured it out.

Our players didn't figure anything out on EF day. As someone who made the trip - and it was a bloody long trip from Perth featuring a midnight flight and all sorts of shenanigans in order to get there - the lack of effort and (to quote GVGjr) "VIGOUR" was pretty unbelievable. The worst thing about it was the GWS 'reaction' to what happened in the previous meeting was 100% predictable and - whilst the crossed the line at points during the game, ultimately the umpires tell the players where the line is (they blow the whistle when it is crossed!!) and the Giants players figured this out and ours didn't.

To BAD's point, I know he isn't whingeing about it (and nor are others on here) but whenever you complain about the umpires or the actions of the other team after a loss, it just SOUNDS LIKE sooking. If you win, you can draw attention to umpiring issues, opposition player 'actions' and the perception is that it is just about 'the facts'. After a loss though it just sounds like you are moaning and complaining about getting beaten in a 'fair fight' and the 'messaging' from the club (and us as supporters) after the game came across as very 'sooky' to me at least.

I'm not inside the group but I am confident that within the team the feeling will be no matter what happens in the future, we never get beaten like that again.

If it were up to you, would you have made a big deal about this early in pre season?

Depends on how you view the group responding, but I've thought the first meeting of the list this preseason could've shown a bunch of highlights of the game - and the physical nature of most parts - and get pretty confrontational straight away with the 'this NEVER happens again'

Or do you need to start in a more positive bent? Or do you assume they're hurting already, so it's overkill?

Twodogs
16-01-2020, 11:50 AM
If it were up to you, would you have made a big deal about this early in pre season?

Depends on how you view the group responding, but I've thought the first meeting of the list this preseason could've shown a bunch of highlights of the game - and the physical nature of most parts - and get pretty confrontational straight away with the 'this NEVER happens again'

Or do you need to start in a more positive bent? Or do you assume they're hurting already, so it's overkill?

That's where Bevo makes his money. It's his ability to read the room and say the right thing at the right time that sets him apart from nearly every other coach.

I've never been more confident that we have a coach who knows exactly when to put his arm around a player or when to give him a boot up the arse. He got it a little bit wrong in years 3 and 4 of his coaching career with us but he's gone back and corrected the problem rather than stubbornly refuse to concede there is a problem.

I think that's what they refer to when they say that Bevo rates highly in emotional intelligence. His ability to shrug his shoulders, admit he was wrong and fix the problem. That's the lesson he learned after the premiership win. That he's not always right and that's OK we don't expect him to be right every time.

GVGjr
19-01-2020, 05:38 PM
Timely to the discussion around or game against GWS, here is an article with Josh Dunkleys view

Josh Dunkley says the Bulldogs were embarrassed by their finish to 2019 season (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/josh-dunkley-says-the-bulldogs-were-embarrassed-by-their-finish-to-2019-season/news-story/53fd9d41ae5573fd65f4ca2b87f37607)

Their first finals appearance since their 2016 flag triumph was not one the Western Bulldogs want to remember. Still smarting from their ‘embarrassing’ exit, they will hit 2020 with a fresh goal.

Western Bulldogs midfielder Josh Dunkley says the team was embarrassed by its exit from last year’s finals series and the group has vowed to show the AFL its bite in 2020.

The Bulldogs were bundled out of the 2019 finals – the team’s first September appearance since their drought-breaking 2016 premiership – in a 58-point thumping from Greater Western Sydney in their elimination final at Giants Stadium.

The Dogs had stormed into the finals, winning seven of their last nine games to secure their place in the September action.

Dunkley, one of the Bulldogs star performers in 2019, said the team was left smarting from the loss and have pledged to strike back this season.

“It was a disappointing way to end the year, I think everyone would have seen that from the outside … we were pretty embarrassed after it, to be honest,” Dunkley said.

“It was not the way that we wanted to exit, certainly the final series. If we played a game like that during the season we would have been just as disappointed.

“The hunger’s there, we spoke as a group the following week before we exited into the off-season and everyone was really disappointed and hungry as ever.

“Bevo (coach Luke Beveridge) stood up the front and mentioned that we are going to learn from it and going to come back.

“It obviously wasn’t our best day, but we are going to come back bigger and better and stronger in 2020 and hopefully show the footy world what we can produce.”

Since their finals loss, the Bulldogs have added former St Kilda forward Josh Bruce and defender Alex Keath from the Adelaide Crows to their list in the trade period.

Dunkley expects the pair to make an impact for the Bulldogs.

“The off-season we were all away siting by our phones waiting for the call to come through to say that we got the boys. It’s perfect for us the way that they have come in,” Dunkley said.

“Keathy has obviously has some surgery done (to repair a stress fracture in his lower leg) and he has been a delayed start, but he is out there now and performing really well in match sim and Brucey has got a great presence around the footy club already.

“(They are) two great players across the competition that we have sourced out from opposition clubs and I can’t wait to see them line-up for us in 2020.”

The Bulldogs open their pre-season campaign in the Marsh Community Series against North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium on February 21 and the season proper against Collingwood at the same venue on March 20.