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Dry Rot
21-01-2020, 09:54 PM
The addition of Keath and Bruce, and apparent continued development of English, means that in season 2020 we will have the tallest Dogs team I can remember.

A far cry from a couple of seasons ago when Gowers was our key forward. And Bont had to often go forward.

So do Keath and especially Bruce mean that we will play a little differently in 2020? If so, how?

Rocket Science
21-01-2020, 10:35 PM
I'm just relieved we won't have to watch Daniel climb an opponent's leg like a possum up a tree to effect a spoil ever again.

jeemak
22-01-2020, 07:45 AM
We'll possibly go a little more direct and take on the interceptor a bit more to avoid opposition defences rolling back and blocking space.

jeemak
22-01-2020, 07:46 AM
I'm just relieved we won't have to watch Daniel climb an opponent's leg like a possum up a tree to effect a spoil ever again.

Prepare to be disappointed. There's going to be times when we're caught out and Caleb will be the man with the tank to get back, resulting in the odd miss-match.

Mofra
22-01-2020, 08:19 AM
I'm just relieved we won't have to watch Daniel climb an opponent's leg like a possum up a tree to effect a spoil ever again.
That was more due to his running capacity than a mismatch I thought. He covers a lot of ground. I'm not sure how we use him this season.

bornadog
22-01-2020, 09:16 AM
Prepare to be disappointed. There's going to be times when we're caught out and Caleb will be the man with the tank to get back, resulting in the odd miss-match.


That was more due to his running capacity than a mismatch I thought. He covers a lot of ground. I'm not sure how we use him this season.

He is also very good at reading the play

Mofra
22-01-2020, 09:23 AM
If there are passages of play where the ball is moved slowly and the opposition defence do get back - we're going to need multiple players who can get front and square of the contest.

We know both Naughts and Bruce are excellent contested marks, and they have to split the defenders so there will be two areas of the F50 to kick to a contest (led by one of those guys each).
That should mean against teams that like to play 'fast' we can work on slowing the game down to play to our advantage.

The team that likes to play 'fast' more than any other - Richmond. We may be the only team that stops them as I can't see Collingwood or GWS doing it who are two of the other genuine challengers.

AshMac
22-01-2020, 09:34 AM
Good thread. I’d like to see a few players better at crumbing at the fall of the ball in the F50 than last year.

Still think our defence will be more intercept than lock down - I’m questing who our real backline general will be. See Easton wood potentially playing that role as he steps away from leadership duties off the field - just not sure he has the footy brain for it. Boyd Snr was outstanding in that role in 2016.

Twodogs
22-01-2020, 12:06 PM
The addition of Keath and Bruce, and apparent continued development of English, means that in season 2020 we will have the tallest Dogs team I can remember.

A far cry from a couple of seasons ago when Gowers was our key forward. And Bont had to often go forward.

So do Keath and especially Bruce mean that we will play a little differently in 2020? If so, how?

Back in the '70s we had Quinlan, Dempsey, Round, Sandilands, Templeton, McGhie, Baker and a few more talls that could seriously play (unfortunately most of them proved how well they could play at other clubs) on the list at the same time.

bornadog
22-01-2020, 01:19 PM
Back in the '70s we had Quinlan, Dempsey, Round, Sandilands, Templeton, McGhie, Baker and a few more talls that could seriously play (unfortunately most of them proved how well they could play at other clubs) on the list at the same time.

Plus Sockeye Salmon

Twodogs
22-01-2020, 05:30 PM
Plus Sockeye Salmon

I said "could seriously play" Sockeye's talents lay more with the distribution of a well layed elbow.

BornInDroopSt'54
23-01-2020, 04:12 PM
With the talls recruited and with the two good marking forwards, the mids will have to learn to kick to their advantage. Just a well weighted kick that favours our forward rather than his opponent should do most times. So Bont, Smith and Macrae should nail it less so Dunks but he should be OK. Toby, Cody and Caleb should be great at passing but I hope it is practised and along quality assurance lines and the customers i.e. the forwards, give their suppliers feedback about delivery.

Axe Man
28-01-2020, 04:31 PM
Tall trio can work, says Naughton (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/557433/tall-trio-can-work-says-naughton?fbclid=IwAR1Dht9zsAKrRrsD6WMGqseHdBZzcbm8hTgcv-HzQbUPKsPpbRvOyrTJsLc)

Two things have Aaron Naughton excited about the build up to 2020.

One of those is finally being back on the park, after playing three quarters of a match simulation session at Mooloolaba on Sunday.

The other is playing alongside new recruit Josh Bruce and Josh Schache, which Naughton also got a look at in Sunday’s hit-out.

“It was our first time with the three talls to be able to work together,” Naughton said.

“It was pretty fresh.

“We worked it well… over the coming weeks and leading into the Marsh Community Series, we’ll be able to build that chemistry and no doubt it’s going to be a lot of fun up there.”

It’s been a different pre-season for Naughton, as he’s worked to overcome the first significant injury of his career.

The emerging forward sustained a serious knee injury in the Bulldogs’ elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, and has slowly built his training loads over the past couple of months.

He kicked two goals and took a big mark in the third quarter, but most importantly got through unscathed.

“It’s obviously been good this week up here in Mooloolaba, to be able to play a little bit of match sim has been nice,” Naughton said.

“It’s sort of a bit nerve-wracking first time out there again, but I’m building nicely.

“It was good to be able to be able to take a couple of marks and get the ball moving again.

“Not everything’s going to come back straight in the first match-sim, but it was nice to run around and attack the footy.”

AshMac
28-01-2020, 05:39 PM
Tall trio can work, says Naughton (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/557433/tall-trio-can-work-says-naughton?fbclid=IwAR1Dht9zsAKrRrsD6WMGqseHdBZzcbm8hTgcv-HzQbUPKsPpbRvOyrTJsLc)

Two things have Aaron Naughton excited about the build up to 2020.

One of those is finally being back on the park, after playing three quarters of a match simulation session at Mooloolaba on Sunday.

The other is playing alongside new recruit Josh Bruce and Josh Schache, which Naughton also got a look at in Sunday’s hit-out.

“It was our first time with the three talls to be able to work together,” Naughton said.

“It was pretty fresh.

“We worked it well… over the coming weeks and leading into the Marsh Community Series, we’ll be able to build that chemistry and no doubt it’s going to be a lot of fun up there.”

It’s been a different pre-season for Naughton, as he’s worked to overcome the first significant injury of his career.

The emerging forward sustained a serious knee injury in the Bulldogs’ elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, and has slowly built his training loads over the past couple of months.

He kicked two goals and took a big mark in the third quarter, but most importantly got through unscathed.

“It’s obviously been good this week up here in Mooloolaba, to be able to play a little bit of match sim has been nice,” Naughton said.

“It’s sort of a bit nerve-wracking first time out there again, but I’m building nicely.

“It was good to be able to be able to take a couple of marks and get the ball moving again.

“Not everything’s going to come back straight in the first match-sim, but it was nice to run around and attack the footy.”

Personally don’t see all 3 playing inside 50 very often. Would love Schache as a high half forward using his mobility to take uncontested marks whilst streaming back into the F50 with the run.

GVGjr
28-01-2020, 07:16 PM
Personally don’t see all 3 playing inside 50 very often. Would love Schache as a high half forward using his mobility to take uncontested marks whilst streaming back into the F50 with the run.

Playing 3 tall's deep in the forward line would be problematic so there will be some tinkering
Bruce and Naughton are of course great contested marks
Bruce and Schache are very mobile and capable of playing further up the ground and we know Schache is a good kick

Grand Master Bevo has had a couple of months to plot the course we will be taking so I can't wait to see it in action and what surprises he might have up his short sleeves

AshMac
28-01-2020, 09:03 PM
Playing 3 tall's deep in the forward line would be problematic so there will be some tinkering
Bruce and Naughton are of course great contested marks
Bruce and Schache are very mobile and capable of playing further up the ground and we know Schache is a good kick

Grand Master Bevo has had a couple of months to plot the course we will be taking so I can't wait to see it in action and what surprises he might have up his short sleeves

Me too. I’m really looking forward to seeing how we line up and to watch the dynamic between those 3.

Naughton FF. Bruce CHF and Schache a high half forward using his speed to take uncontested marks inside 40m would be amazing to see.

Mofra
29-01-2020, 08:48 AM
Me too. I’m really looking forward to seeing how we line up and to watch the dynamic between those 3.

Naughton FF. Bruce CHF and Schache a high half forward using his speed to take uncontested marks inside 40m would be amazing to see.
Schache regularly topped out team for kms covered under the GPS tracker stats. He doesn't have acceleration off the mark (tests slow for 20m sprints) but his tank is outstanding for a big man, we'll play that to our advantage. I really rate his kicking inside 50 so if he becomes a leading, marking, 2 assist per game player he'll help up enormously.

With his tank he just leads and leads so the opposition defenders are split, giving Naughts and Bruce more one out chances as both are elite contested marks. Bailey Dale and Sam Lloyd get the 4th and 5th defenders and both can take a mark too.

Rocket Science
29-01-2020, 02:56 PM
Schache regularly topped out team for kms covered under the GPS tracker stats. He doesn't have acceleration off the mark (tests slow for 20m sprints) but his tank is outstanding for a big man, we'll play that to our advantage. I really rate his kicking inside 50 so if he becomes a leading, marking, 2 assist per game player he'll help up enormously.

With his tank he just leads and leads so the opposition defenders are split, giving Naughts and Bruce more one out chances as both are elite contested marks. Bailey Dale and Sam Lloyd get the 4th and 5th defenders and both can take a mark too.

Consider we also have the ultimate luxury of Bont slipping into that forward mix as desired and pardon me while I quietly get ahead of myself.

ledge
29-01-2020, 03:16 PM
Consider we also have the ultimate luxury of Bont slipping into that forward mix as desired and pardon me while I quietly get ahead of myself.

Don’t forget Dickson and Weightman on the way in.
Dunkley doesn’t mind slipping forward either occasionally and with West we have multiple lined ups to change depending on opposition and the odd bad day from a forward.

Mofra
29-01-2020, 03:40 PM
Consider we also have the ultimate luxury of Bont slipping into that forward mix as desired and pardon me while I quietly get ahead of myself.
The sixth spot will generally be for a mid resting forward or a mid that pushes up to become an extra midfielder (hai Wallis).

Wally has surprisingly good forwardcraft if the end of 2018 is any guide. He might become a Gia/Clay Smith hybrid.

weltschmerz
29-01-2020, 04:33 PM
The sixth spot will generally be for a mid resting forward or a mid that pushes up to become an extra midfielder (hai Wallis).

Wally has surprisingly good forwardcraft if the end of 2018 is any guide. He might become a Gia/Clay Smith hybrid.

Could be a good place for Bailey Smith too.

Twodogs
30-01-2020, 12:43 PM
The sixth spot will generally be for a mid resting forward or a mid that pushes up to become an extra midfielder (hai Wallis).

Wally has surprisingly good forwardcraft if the end of 2018 is any guide. He might become a Gia/Clay Smith hybrid.


Could be a good place for Bailey Smith too.


Libba likes a goal. If the list stays healthy Footscray won't lose a game.

Like a few have said we have Cavarra to see if he can find his feet at AFL level to provide competition for the small pressure forward role. We are genuinely strong across all lines.

It's the sixth player in each line or the bottom 4 players in the team that shows how good the team is I reckon. And we have good competition for nearly every spot in the team.