Collingwood and the Cap

[Mofra]

It's been widely reported Collingwood have issues with the cap - hence Aish's departure.

With Grundy signing and Beams' issues, they again face a squeeze this year. Moore and De Goey are the high profile signings, but there are other players that have performed well with little fanfare.

An interesting one is Tom Phillips - outside runner with a huge tank and performance clauses in his contract he smashed last year. He could be a target for a team looking for a solid wingman who just flies under the radar.

[comrade]

It's been widely reported Collingwood have issues with the cap - hence Aish's departure.

With Grundy signing and Beams' issues, they again face a squeeze this year. Moore and De Goey are the high profile signings, but there are other players that have performed well with little fanfare.

An interesting one is Tom Phillips - outside runner with a huge tank and performance clauses in his contract he smashed last year. He could be a target for a team looking for a solid wingman who just flies under the radar.

At least some of Beams' salary will be wiped off in short order, you'd imagine.

[Axe Man]

This article talks about the Beams situation and Tom Phillips:

How much will the Dayne Beams deal cost the Pies, or can they break even despite his exit? (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/how-much-will-the-dayne-beams-deal-cost-the-pies-or-can-they-break-even-despite-his-exit/news-story/e26d982766109d208886e46d7c5771de)

On September 1 2018, Dayne Beams stood in front of the Brisbane faithful and declared his love for the club and his future within it.

That connection was the “driving factor” in him wanting to honour his contract. Beams’s final message was: “I love you boys.”

But in the hours after that best-and-fairest second placing the Lions reconciled themselves to his eventual departure.

During a long and emotional late-night discussion with club powerbrokers, Beams railed against his second placing to Dayne Zorko, adamant he would have been a worthy winner.

It would take the better part of two months for Brisbane to trade Beams back to Collingwood, yet by the end of that night the Lions knew they would trade him if the right deal was presented.

As one Lions insider said, a captain who should be the most low-maintenance figure at a football club had instead become its most high-maintenance.

Despite its public position to the contrary, Brisbane had reconciled itself to trading its star midfielder.

Beams is now a Collingwood player in name only as his management and the club work on a financial settlement that could still be months in the making.

But to present this as a case of Collingwood bungling a $2 million deal with reckless disregard for Beams’s issues is unfair, too.

Collingwood knew that Beams’s mental ill health was multifaceted and borne out of more than grief for his father’s death.

The club that once hired a private investigator and spoke to chief commissioner Christine Nixon about the risk profile of Ben Cousins will have its own thoughts on its levels of due diligence.

But it shared the view of Brisbane’s mental health experts: that like many players in football, Beams would need help and guidance to maximise his mental health, but could be effectively managed.

To go into those details helps no party given Beams remains away from the game consulting experts about his mental health.

But Beams was the last deal done in trade week — half an hour before deadline — and the Lions weren’t desperate to retain Beams (having just traded for Lachie Neale). But they wouldn't have done so without a quality trade.

If Collingwood cannot get salary cap relief from the AFL for Beams’s extraordinary circumstances — and why wouldn’t it ask — it will be on the hook for whatever it eventually settles for with Beams.

The Pies know more than anyone premierships are won and lost on fine margins, privately aware they wouldn’t have done the deal if they hadn’t been so close against West Coast a month before.

Only time will tell whether those selections and cap space cost them the players that might have been the difference when the next opportunity comes around.

The $2 million salary handed to Beams might be more problematic long term than the two first-round picks Collingwood handed up for the midfielder.

When the Magpies traded for Beams he was fresh off the All-Australian squad after averaging 29 disposals and 5.6 clearances. The Pies had just lost a Grand Final by a kick.

He had the backing of good mate Steele Sidebottom and met with coach Nathan Buckley to repair an at-times frosty previous relationship.

Collingwood, having secured Jordan De Goey and Jack Crisp in its initial trade with Brisbane for Beams, gave up picks 18 and 56 and its 2019 first-rounder, and got back Beams plus picks 41 and 44.

It immediately parlayed those picks into academy selection Isaac Quaynor (pick 13), and father-son Will Kelly (29), also securing academy kid Atu Bosenavulagi (77).

Last November as a result of handing its first-rounder to Brisbane, its first pick was midfielder Jay Rantall at pick 40, then Trent Bianco at 45 and Trey Ruscoe at 55.

If you want to kick the Pies you can say they handed over picks that in 2018 gave the Lions exciting midfielder Ely Smith and the Power in 2019 likely Round 1 debutant Mitch Georgiades (Port swapped picks with the Lions).

The Pies took Beams knowing they had a trio of father-son and academy picks coming up.

Quaynor is now exciting the Magpies after a huge pre-season while late pick Bosenavulagi is also showing promise.

Rantall hasn’t missed a beat all summer and he, too, might make an early debut.

If Quaynor turns into an elite half-back and former basketballer Tom Wilson can fire after a strong pre-season as a Category B rookie, it’s not the lost first-round selections that will hurt.

The sum total of their gains and losses from the two-year period might be a breakeven.

It’s the salary cap effect that potentially hurts.

Last year’s sleeper trade that never happened was of wingman Tom Phillips, who the Pies were willing to move on despite a new contract signed in early 2019 and his 572-possession year.

Geelong was a suitor given it needed outside run and might have offered a long-term deal, but Phillips simply wasn’t interested. Fair enough, given his new deal.

If Phillips hits the markers for his performance clauses he can make a lucrative sum this season, which will put even more pressure on the Pies’ salary cap.

He runs all day, rarely misses a game and is the kind of mid-priced player a tight cap could squeeze out.

Brodie Grundy’s seven-year deal actually gives the Pies flexibility to defer some of his money to later years.

If Darcy Moore puts together a solid season he will be paid accordingly, but the wildcard is the unpredictable De Goey, soon to be with his third management group.

But the Pies will feel the fallout from Beams’s salary if Phillips is tipped out or De Goey accepts a mega-deal elsewhere that the Pies could have matched with that lost salary cap space.

[Axe Man]

At least some of Beams' salary will be wiped off in short order, you'd imagine.

There has been talk that unlike Tom Boyd, Beams will not leave the money on the table and may even be asking for his full contact to be paid. In that case Collingwood may have to include it all in the cap.

[Mofra]

There has been talk that unlike Tom Boyd, Beams will not leave the money on the table and may even be asking for his full contact to be paid. In that case Collingwood may have to include it all in the cap.
The rumour mill is in overdrive about Beams, including the decision to step away from football isn't entirely his own.
Either way it's been a terrible deal for Collingwood.

[hujsh]

One thing that article highlights to me is how well Brisbane have traded in recent history. Of course you're going to trade Beams in that circumstance (imagine complaining about a second place finish in the B&F) but you wouldn't have known it at the time. Quite the contrast to the normal circumstances (like Stringer with us)

[jeemak]

One thing that article highlights to me is how well Brisbane have traded in recent history. Of course you're going to trade Beams in that circumstance (imagine complaining about a second place finish in the B&F) but you wouldn't have known it at the time. Quite the contrast to the normal circumstances (like Stringer with us)

All of the industry insiders would have known.

[comrade]

There has been talk that unlike Tom Boyd, Beams will not leave the money on the table and may even be asking for his full contact to be paid. In that case Collingwood may have to include it all in the cap.

Yeah, just read that. I assumed he'd cut a deal ala Boyd, but not everyone is cut from the same cloth as big Tommy.

[jeemak]

Yeah, just read that. I assumed he'd cut a deal ala Boyd, but not everyone is cut from the same cloth as big Tommy.

He had it all, talented, articulated and intelligent. Not sure if Beams has the same post career prospects as our Tom.

[comrade]

He had it all, talented, articulated and intelligent. Not sure if Beams has the same post career prospects as our Tom.

That's true, his circumstances are different.

[Bulldog Joe]

He had it all, talented, articulated and intelligent. Not sure if Beams has the same post career prospects as our Tom.

I guess you could ask what Beams lacks. As a player he is/was certainly talented.

Maybe he struggles with the other 2 traits.

[bornadog]

Collingwood still have cap issues.

Sam Edmund:


There's been rumours floating around relating to more Collingwood players who have pushed money back. Now Pies footy boss Graham Wright on @SENBreakfast this morning: "There's still a hangover in relation to the salary cap. We've still got some issues we're dealing with there"

Can we help them again and take Darcy Moore off their hands :D

[bulldogtragic]

Collingwood still have cap issues.

Sam Edmund:



Can we help them again and take Darcy Moore off their hands :D

He’s out contract next year, and a free agent. They’re going to have to match his $800,000 as a minimum long term. If Moore could get that money elsewhere at a contender, and they got a great trade back and fixed their cap, it might demand some consideration from them. They might still say no, but who knows if they haven’t fixed it by now.

[comrade]

He’s out contract next year, and a free agent. They’re going to have to match his $800,000 as a minimum long term. If Moore could get that money elsewhere at a contender, and they got a great trade back and fixed their cap, it might demand some consideration from them. They might still say no, but who knows if they haven’t fixed it by now.

I mean, if it was even a possibility, you would hope we'd do everything in our...power...to make it happen. Moore in our backline, I can't even fathom how good it would be.

[bulldogtragic]

I mean, if it was even a possibility, you would hope we'd do everything in our...power...to make it happen. Moore in our backline, I can't even fathom how good it would be.

They wouldn’t want a first rounder this year, owing to Daicos. We’d need it to cover Darcy.

Spitballing. So a future first rounder, Young to give them KP depth for Moore leaving and then a genuinely good player. Would Richards (yet to re-commit) and a famous club family be enough? Or is it more Bailey Smith?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

They wouldn’t want a first rounder this year, owing to Daicos. We’d need it to cover Darcy.

Spitballing. So a future first rounder, Young to give them KP depth for Moore leaving and then a genuinely good player. Would Richards (yet to re-commit) and a famous club family be enough? Or is it more Bailey Smith?

If the Treloar trade is anything to go by I'd offer them Will Hayes and a future 2nd. :D

[comrade]

They wouldn’t want a first rounder this year, owing to Daicos. We’d need it to cover Darcy.

Spitballing. So a future first rounder, Young to give them KP depth for Moore leaving and then a genuinely good player. Would Richards (yet to re-commit) and a famous club family be enough? Or is it more Bailey Smith?

Future first and Ed Richards, where do I sign?

[Grantysghost]

I mean, if it was even a possibility, you would hope we'd do everything in our...power...to make it happen. Moore in our backline, I can't even fathom how good it would be.
It’s just never going to happen. The members would riot.

[GVGjr]

Future first and Ed Richards, where do I sign?

That's a seriously bad and one sided deal. Surely we should be asking Collingwood to pay 300K of his salary each of the next 3 years ? :)

[Axe Man]

The thing you are all overlooking is that Ned Guy doesn't work at the pies anymore. Graham Wright won't be so easy to outmaneuver. Unless we bring in Steve Kolyniuk as a special negotiator...

[bulldogtragic]

There’s an article on afel.com.au now too. Wright didn’t need to declare any of this right now. He clearly wanted to (maybe before lockdowns affect player values). Seems like an open invitation for Sam Power (& 16 others) to make enquires with him and Collingwood player managers.

Be it us, or other clubs, if they can trade out Moore (FA next year, $800,000) and bring in a good pick and a very good younger player (on less money too) then they fix their TPP whilst bringing in talent for the rebuild. If not Moore, maybe DeGoey?

I also wonder if we should be really, really hard at Moore. Because we already have a huge bargaining chip: Treloar’s salary on Collingwood’s books. Not only can we try to engage on a Moore trade, but we can offer renegotiation of that Treloar salary. They owe an average $300,000 a season. Maybe we agree to take some of that on to secure a suitable trade (ie future 1st & Richards - if Schache’s not in the plans next year we can include him and pay 1/2 his salary). Add Wallis and others to the outgoing salary list on top of our ‘wiggle room’ and we can squeeze in.

Cash is still a problem for them. We can help them on both Treloar & Moore salaries (fixing their TPP) and provide them a first round drafted good player and another first rounder. At least worth a few chats I’d think.

[macca]

Bringing in a player like Moore, could help us get to that premiership. Imaging swinging Naughton and Moore between forward and defence? It would create nightmares for opposition teams.

It be worth the $$$ spent to get that premiership.

[bulldogtragic]

Bringing in a player like Moore, could help us get to that premiership. Imaging swinging Naughton and Moore between forward and defence? It would create nightmares for opposition teams.

It be worth the $$$ spent to get that premiership.

Some favourites would have to go to ensure enough salary cap is free like Wallis, Lipinski, Jong, Richards (if that’s the trade) and others like Cavarra, Hayes and possibly Schache and one of Cordy/Young.

Moore had played his footy for the most part with Varcoe & Treloar so we have some familiar faces with Bonts & Bevo for a meet and greet. That Treloar salary on their books is 3D chess stuff:

Power says he doesn’t want Treloar. Then he does but a huge salary left on Collingwoods books. Then Collingwood agree in the last few seconds. Then Power goes back to Collingwood this year and offers for them to keep some of their own money to get another best 5 player of theirs this year...

The +/- $1.2M noosed around Collingwoods TPP makes us a very good potential trade partner IMO.

[Dry Rot]

How are Moore's hamstrings?

[soupman]

Some favourites would have to go to ensure enough salary cap is free like Wallis, Lipinski, Jong, Richards (if that’s the trade) and others like Cavarra, Hayes and possibly Schache and one of Cordy/Young.



Um are you serious? Atm I would only offer three guys in that entire paragraph a contract in 2022, and they are at best on the absolute fringe of our 22 (Lipinski, Richards and Cordy).

And surely none of them are eating up much salary by themselves.

[bulldogtragic]

Um are you serious? Atm I would only offer three guys in that entire paragraph a contract in 2022, and they are at best on the absolute fringe of our 22 (Lipinski, Richards and Cordy).

And surely none of them are eating up much salary by themselves.

Might be at cross purposes, perhaps I was not succinct. I was saying in such a scenario we need to open up more cap space (and spots) collectively. In addition to a good player involved in a hypothetical trade.

[Mofra]

It’s just never going to happen. The members would riot.
They already are.
I think they try to keep him, then lose him as a FA next year.

They other KPD is Roughy who is on the wrong side of 30.

[Happy Days]

That's frankly unbelievable that they're still suffering from a cap squeeze. Why don't they just can De Goey and keep the actual good players?

[EasternWest]

That's frankly unbelievable that they're still suffering from a cap squeeze. Why don't they just can De Goey and keep the actual good players?

Sunk cost fallacy.

DeGoey definitely has a case of the "Stringer". Difference is we figured it out.

[Mofra]

Grundy, de Goey, Pendles, Adams, Moore and $500k pa for Mayne.

Who the hell else are they paying? Jamie Elliott probably on good coin after Collingwood out-bid Melbourne's FA attempt. Daicos Jnr?

[Axe Man]

Grundy, de Goey, Pendles, Adams, Moore and $500k pa for Mayne.

Who the hell else are they paying? Jamie Elliott probably on good coin after Collingwood out-bid Melbourne's FA attempt. Daicos Jnr?

Cox is on $500k, but that ends this year.

[Scraggers]

So is Moore seriously on the cards for us, or is this just spitballing?

[GVGjr]

So is Moore seriously on the cards for us, or is this just spitballing?

I would suggest this is Spitballing

[SquirrelGrip]

I’d have thought Grundy, De Goey and Cox provide the most salary cap pressure.

Grundy to Crows, De Goey to Bombers (they seem to like that type at Tullamarine) and Cox to Longhorns.

[bulldogtragic]

So is Moore seriously on the cards for us, or is this just spitballing?

Spitballing. Their cap is still shot, we’d love Moore and could offer a good trade that helps their rebuild and can offer them additional salary cap relief by covering a bit more of Treloars amount in their cap. Spitballing. Fits nicely enough though.

[Twodogs]

Grundy must be getting an absolute motza. Given his form the ROI they are getting on the money they are paying him sounds pretty lop sided.

[Twodogs]

The thing you are all overlooking is that Ned Guy doesn't work at the pies anymore. Graham Wright won't be so easy to outmaneuver. Unless we bring in Steve Kolyniuk as a special negotiator...

Somebody might not know what you are referring to. That sounds like a good reason to watch it again doesn't it?



https://youtu.be/qrCBGfn-WFw


Glorious. Just glorious!!

[Axe Man]

Nathan Buckley quits: Collingwood coach stands down midway through 2021 AFL season (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/nathan-buckley-quits-collingwood-coach-stands-down-midway-through-2021-afl-season/news-story/3b1667e6ec19a3a2e38758b20caadef7)

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley will step down from his position after Monday’s game against Melbourne.

Buckley has made the call to hand over the reins amid increasing pressure on him midway through a poor season.

There will be an 11am press conference.

The under-pressure Buckley is expected to tell the players and staff at the Holden Centre today.

The Magpies have dropped out of the finals race this year, slipping to 3-9 and sitting in 16th.

Buckley led the Magpies to the 2018 Grand Final but they lost to the West Coast Eagles by a kick in the dying seconds.

[GVGjr]

He seemed to have a steely determination stay on as coach on AFL360 the other night. The wheels move quickly in the AFL.

[Mofra]

Grundy must be getting an absolute motza. Given his form the ROI they are getting on the money they are paying him sounds pretty lop sided.
$1m x 7 years is the rumour

[Bulldog Revolution]

I’d have thought Grundy, De Goey and Cox provide the most salary cap pressure.

Grundy to Crows, De Goey to Bombers (they seem to like that type at Tullamarine) and Cox to Longhorns.

Moore would be part of it also - but hes worth the big money they are paying him

We tried to draft him and inquired last time he was out of contract - we've clearly always rated him, but its unlikely we ever get him

[Mofra]

Collingwood's rapid implosion is incredible.
Treloar, Stephenson, Phillips, McGuire, Ned Guy, Buckley (plus the Joffa sideshow).

I say we pick over that still warm dead carcass of a list while we can.

[bulldogtragic]

Collingwood's rapid implosion is incredible.
Treloar, Stephenson, Phillips, McGuire, Ned Guy, Buckley (plus the Joffa sideshow).

I say we pick over that still warm dead carcass of a list while we can.

Definitely.

[comrade]

How close are Moore and Bucks?

[bulldogtragic]

Time for Treloar & Varcoe to ring Moore, as friends, just to see how he’s doing.

[Ghost Dog]

He seemed to have a steely determination stay on as coach on AFL360 the other night. The wheels move quickly in the AFL.

Must be getting sick of the media circus.

[comrade]

Time for Treloar & Varcoe to ring Moore, as friends, just to see how he’s doing.

"Hey Darce, it's Adz. Just calling to check in. Alex Keath is looking for a new best friend, just saying"

[Grantysghost]

$1m x 7 years is the rumour

I really think these long term contracts can be a disincentive. Bont said as much when he signed for 4 which makes me like him even more (didn’t think it was possible).

[Mofra]

"I fought Treloar and, Treloar won"

[Mofra]

Treloar will be getting paid by Collingwood next year but not Buckley - amazing turn of events

[bulldogtragic]

Treloar will be getting paid by Collingwood next year but not Buckley - amazing turn of events

That’s four years Jimmy.

Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. (US political rally chanting)

[merantau]

Somebody might not know what you are referring to. That sounds like a good reason to watch it again doesn't it?



https://youtu.be/qrCBGfn-WFw


Glorious. Just glorious!!

I love this footage. If I viewed it a million times the million and first time would be the best. Thanks for posting.

[bornadog]

I love this footage. If I viewed it a million times the million and first time would be the best. Thanks for posting.

I still remember where I was sitting and saying to my mate, I wonder if he will run around him.

[MrMahatma]

"I fought Treloar and, Treloar won"

This wins!

[jeemak]

I love this footage. If I viewed it a million times the million and first time would be the best. Thanks for posting.

I make a point of watching it pretty much any time it pops up. There's many a wasted minute in a day, but this ain't one of them.

[Twodogs]

Treloar will be getting paid by Collingwood next year but not Buckley - amazing turn of events

Neither will Ned Guy.

[macca]

I’d have thought Grundy, De Goey , Moore and Cox provide the most salary cap pressure.

Reading between the lines, Buckley probably had enough and may have put his footdown and asked for a rebuild. The board may have rejected the idea.


Its kinda sad, as I felt when he took over as head coach, it was a year too early. Malthouse could have gotten that list to another granny in 2013. The players really respected Malthouse, and you could see after the lost, that alot of them were very emotional.

No winners in this. It such a cruel industry. Lost a GF by an amazing kick in last min.

I can really see Collingwood offloading some of their players at end of the season. Alot can happen in 7 years.

I say bring back Malthouse!

Here are some of the pies salaries, thanks to bornadog for the link.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-collingwood-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2020-salary-cap-squeeze-adam-treloar-jaidyn-stephenson-jack-gunston/news-story/5963f777114e3b85c9577622b8dd458e

[bornadog]

I’d have thought Grundy, De Goey and Cox provide the most salary cap pressure.

Reading between the lines, Buckley probably had enough and may have put his footdown and asked for a rebuild. The board may have rejected the idea.




Its kinda sad, as I felt when he took over as head coach, it was a year too early. Malthouse could have gotten that list to another granny in 2013. The players really respected Malthouse, and you could see after the lost, that alot of them were very emotional.

No winners in this. It just a cruel industry.

I can really see Collingwood offloading some of their players at end of the season. Alot can happen in 7 years.

Grundy, De Goey and Moore.

Cox is on $500k

[EasternWest]

"I fought Treloar and, Treloar won"

This may be the greatest comment ever made on this forum.

Naturally I'm stealing it to use elsewhere.

[bulldogtragic]

Dear Collingwood,

Greetings and salutations. Thanking you once more for paying $300,000 to facilitate Adam playing in our Grand Final. That was a very swell thing of you to do. We just wanted to give you our appreciation again and to let you know that in a financial sense, that you too have reached the 2021 Grand Final. If you would like us to vouch for you to these scallywags trying to take over your board citing “gross mismanagement” we would be happy to assist you as you so desire. Sam says to say howdy and he will see y’all real soon. With our deepest sympathies,

Western Bulldogs

[SquirrelGrip]

Dear Collingwood,

Greetings and salutations. Thanking you once more for paying $300,000 to facilitate Adam playing in our Grand Final. That was a very swell thing of you to do. We just wanted to give you our appreciation again and to let you know that in a financial sense, that you too have reached the 2021 Grand Final. If you would like us to vouch for you to these scallywags trying to take over your board citing “gross mismanagement” we would be happy to assist you as you so desire. Sam says to say howdy and he will see y’all real soon. With our deepest sympathies,

Western Bulldogs

PS With our Premiership Ruckman Stef retiring, we'd be more than happy for you to pay $500,000 to facilitate Brody to play with us next year and thus enable you to start your re-build sooner.

[Twodogs]

Dear Collingwood,

Greetings and salutations. Thanking you once more for paying $300,000 to facilitate Adam playing in our Grand Final. That was a very swell thing of you to do. We just wanted to give you our appreciation again and to let you know that in a financial sense, that you too have reached the 2021 Grand Final. If you would like us to vouch for you to these scallywags trying to take over your board citing “gross mismanagement” we would be happy to assist you as you so desire. Sam says to say howdy and he will see y’all real soon. With our deepest sympathies,

Western Bulldogs

...And as for us winning the 2021 premiership we just wanted you to know that we couldn't have done it without you. Thanks again.

[comrade]

...And as for us winning the 2021 premiership we just wanted you to know that we couldn't have done it without you. Thanks again.

Imagine Treloar winning a Norm Smith.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Imagine Treloar winning a Norm Smith.

Imagine the Collingwood melts.......

[Dancin' Douggy]

Oh how sweet would that be!

Imagine Treloar winning a Norm Smith.

[The Doctor]

Imagine Treloar winning a Norm Smith.

Followed up by GWS nominating F/S Daicos with pick 2. The one Collingwood gave them.

[Twodogs]

Imagine Treloar winning a Norm Smith.

As Dick Emery (the unfunniest comedian of all ttime) used to say:

Oh, you are awful. But I like you...

[chef]

De Goey at it again. Arrested in NY for groping a women.

[Dry Rot]

De Goey at it again. Arrested in NY for groping a women.

I am shocked and surprised.

The New York City Police Department told the ABC Mr De Goey and 28-year-old Australian man Luke Dyson were charged with assault and forcible touching.

It relates to an alleged incident that happened at the PHD Rooftop Lounge at the Dream Hotel in the Chelsea district in the early hours of Saturday morning (local time).

The Collingwood Football Club said it was "aware of a report involving Jordan De Goey".

Police said they responded to an emergency services call from a 35-year-old woman who claimed she was groped by two men on the dance floor.

When the woman's 37-year-old male friend tried to intervene, he was punched, kicked and struck in the face with a glass bottle, police alleged.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-31/collingwood-player-jordan-de-goey-arrested-in-new-york-city/100583470

[Grantysghost]

He might be gone if he was the glass bottle offender.

[macca]

That would fix some of their cap problems
He has never played enough consistent football to justify the money his one

Be interesting to hear the pies fans outrage if he gets sacked

[G-Mo77]

He might be gone if he was the glass bottle offender.

With past history the grope should be enough for them to shop/sack. It is Collingwood we're talking about though, they'll probably announce him as Captain.

[divvydan]

He might be gone if he was the glass bottle offender.

Gone to Ch7 as a commentator?

[bornadog]

With past history the grope should be enough for them to shop/sack. It is Collingwood we're talking about though, they'll probably announce him as Captain.

Not the first time for him. Police dropped sexual assault charges he was facing earlier in the year.

[GVGjr]

If he is found guilty I don't see how Collingwood keeps him on their playing list.
Given that the club also heard about it from the media rather than the player it won't sit well with them either.

You have to wonder about the way Collingwood have managed their players and the way the leadership group is performing.

The no dickheads policy might me you pass over the occasionally more talented player but it probably saves you a low in the end

If you asked Collingwood supporters should they have kept Treloar instead of De Goey I think most would say yes.

[Grantysghost]

If he is found guilty I don't see how Collingwood keeps him on their playing list.
Given that the club also heard about it from the media rather than the player it won't sit well with them either.

You have to wonder about the way Collingwood have managed their players and the way the leadership group is performing.

The no dickheads policy might me you pass over the occasionally more talented player but it probably saves you a low in the end

If you asked Collingwood supporters should they have kept Treloar instead of De Goey I think most would say yes.

Malthouse used to protect their loose cannons like Didak, Shaw, Swan didn't he. It seems cultural.

Didak was even in a car that had bullets fired from it by a guy who went on to become a murderer.

[GVGjr]

Malthouse used to protect their loose cannons like Didak, Shaw, Swan didn't he. It seems cultural.

Didak was even in a car that had bullets fired from it by a guy who went on to become a murderer.

The problems you walk past are the problems you accept. I expected better from Buckley though

[Twodogs]

Malthouse used to protect their loose cannons like Didak, Shaw, Swan didn't he. It seems cultural.

Didak was even in a car that had bullets fired from it by a guy who went on to become a murderer.


Christopher Wayne Hudson. He was pistol whipping a woman on a CBD street and shot dead a bloke who came to her aid. Hudson was a Hell's Angel . Apparently the Angels rang the police to tell them they had Hudson and would hand him over. The cops said they'd come and collect him but the Angels said that they wanted to remove his gang tattoos first then in the background there was the sound of a belt sander starting up! Hudson was dropped off at a hospital and needed skin grafts to his injuries.

The Hell's Angels are obviously much better at getting rid of trouble makers than Collingwood.

[jeemak]

Christopher Wayne Hudson. He was pistol whipping a woman on a CBD street and shot dead a bloke who came to her aid. Hudson was a Hell's Angel . Apparently the Angels rang the police to tell them they had Hudson and would hand him over. The cops said they'd come and collect him but the Angels said that they wanted to remove his gang tattoos first then in the background there was the sound of a belt sander starting up! Hudson was dropped off at a hospital and needed skin grafts to his injuries.

The Hell's Angels are obviously much better at getting rid of trouble makers than Collingwood.

Apparently there was a blow torch involved as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/bikies-burned-tattoo-from-hudsons-arm-20090507-aviw.html#:~:text=A%20source%20quoted%20by%20the,oxyacetylen e%20torch%2C%20the%20insider%20said.

But I guess a belt sander probably burns more than it does anything else!

[boydogs]

Christ, didn't even click the link and I need therapy. Best keeping that away from our group

[Grantysghost]

Christopher Wayne Hudson. He was pistol whipping a woman on a CBD street and shot dead a bloke who came to her aid. Hudson was a Hell's Angel . Apparently the Angels rang the police to tell them they had Hudson and would hand him over. The cops said they'd come and collect him but the Angels said that they wanted to remove his gang tattoos first then in the background there was the sound of a belt sander starting up! Hudson was dropped off at a hospital and needed skin grafts to his injuries.

The Hell's Angels are obviously much better at getting rid of trouble makers than Collingwood.

Wow - that's like something straight out of Sons of Anarchy.

[GVGjr]

Charges against De Goey have been dropped.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Charges against De Goey have been dropped.

1 charge has been dropped. That of forcible touching. He still faces charges of assault and harrassment.

[GVGjr]

1 charge has been dropped. That of forcible touching. He still faces charges of assault and harrassment.

Thanks for clarifying. The early report I saw said Charges had been dropped

[bornadog]

1 charge has been dropped. That of forcible touching. He still faces charges of assault and harrassment.

I wonder how that charge on the women was dropped $$$

[jeemak]

I wonder how that charge on the women was dropped $$$

It says that was dropped by the prosecution, so it will be interesting to find out whether that was at the request of the accuser.

[Twodogs]

Apparently there was a blow torch involved as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/bikies-burned-tattoo-from-hudsons-arm-20090507-aviw.html#:~:text=A%20source%20quoted%20by%20the,oxyacetylen e%20torch%2C%20the%20insider%20said.

But I guess a belt sander probably burns more than it does anything else!

Maybe the belt sander didn't work very well?

[Mofra]

I wonder how that charge on the women was dropped $$$
Or there is footage showing his dropkick of a mate was the groper. The guy who glassed the girl's friend.

[Twodogs]

Or there is footage showing his dropkick of a mate was the groper. The guy who glassed the girl's friend.

Maybe it comes under joint enterprise law? Those laws that treat both parties to a crime the same no matter who did what.

[GVGjr]

The turnaround by the Pies has been impressive.

From a mismanaged salary cap where they pay something like 250K a season for a quality player like Treloar to play against them
With one of the competitions best ruckman in Grundy missing most of the season
With one of their more talented players in De Goey getting in the headlines for all the wrong reasons
The way they have been able to extract good seasons from ageing veterans in Sidebottom and Pendlebury plus somehow they've made Cox into a AFL relevant player
And a playing list that I don't think is that strong.

They have also been able to get an impressive winning streak going.

How does a club that's had so many challenges over the last couple of years extract such a huge turnaround in performances?

The new coach has worked, Nick Daicos has been sensational but can anyone suggest the reasons why they have excelled this year?

[azabob]

The have a great blend of experience, youth and 100% exuberance.

A change of coach and philosophy has down wonders.

Buckley was very defensive first and McRae is very much take the game on.

I’m sure there are also players who Buckley didn’t necessarily trust; but with a new coach comes a blank slate.
They are very similar to the dogs in 2015.

[jeemak]

It's been a massive turnaround and good for them.

Playing a lot of games at the MCG helps them - as does winning the close games they have, and I think they've probably been underestimated by a few sides including last night.

Wins on the board is a great indicator, though percentage usually is as well and for second spot their percentage is pitiful. I do think that once teams get to finals and tighten up the defencive areas of their games Collingwood will struggle to score but again, well done to them for winning the close ones all year.

[bornadog]

It's been a massive turnaround and good for them.

Playing a lot of games at the MCG helps them - as does winning the close games they have, and I think they've probably been underestimated by a few sides including last night.

Wins on the board is a great indicator, though percentage usually is as well and for second spot their percentage is pitiful. I do think that once teams get to finals and tighten up the defencive areas of their games Collingwood will struggle to score but again, well done to them for winning the close ones all year.

They have won 6 of last 7 v Melbourne

[Grantysghost]

They've played 8 of the current top 8 and are at 5 and 3.

Draw is a little easy.

In their current run they've only faced two top 8 sides.

Melbourne and Freo.

Done Dees twice and did Freo over there.

Overall I'd say easy ish draw but not a cake walk.

Outside looking in Macrae has got them playing for each other. There's a real sense of side by side.

[bornadog]

Outside looking in Macrae has got them playing for each other. There's a real sense of side by side.

McRae :)

I remember Aker singing his praises about 10 years ago.

[GVGjr]

They've played 8 of the current top 8 and are at 5 and 3.

Draw is a little easy.

In their current run they've only faced two top 8 sides.

Melbourne and Freo.

Done Dees twice and did Freo over there.

Overall I'd say easy ish draw but not a cake walk.

Outside looking in Macrae has got them playing for each other. There's a real sense of side by side.

It's good analysis but I guess where I'm coming from is around do average teams achieve an 11 game winning streak?
The draw is the draw and even if they dropped a couple of the close ones they've still been impressive.

I think a soft draw is just a small part of how their fortunes have changed.

[Grantysghost]

McRae :)

I remember Aker singing his praises about 10 years ago.

He doesn’t know how to spell his own name, that’s weird.

[Grantysghost]

It's good analysis but I guess where I'm coming from is around do average teams achieve an 11 game winning streak?
The draw is the draw and even if they dropped a couple of the close ones they've still been impressive.

I think a soft draw is just a small part of how their fortunes have changed.

Yes I was trying to say it’s an not a walk over draw but is a factor.

Not the major one. From what I’ve seen a lot of fringe guys like Mcreery are standing up.

Games since last loss (not including last night)



R10 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/040820220522.html)
A
Fremantle
2.2 5.3 7.4 12.8
80
2.2 2.4 3.6 6.8
44
W
36
5-0-5
Perth Stadium
35534
Sun 22-May-2022 3:20 PM


R11 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/030420220529.html)
H
Carlton
3.4 4.8 7.12 11.13
79
2.2 6.2 6.7 11.9
75
W
4
6-0-5
M.C.G.
80627
Sun 29-May-2022 3:20 PM


R12 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/041020220605.html)
A
Hawthorn
5.4 7.9 8.10 10.12
72
2.2 4.4 8.5 10.8
68
W
4
7-0-5
M.C.G.
43939
Sun 05-Jun-2022 2:10 PM


R13 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/041120220613.html)
H
Melbourne
0.5 3.8 6.10 12.10
82
3.1 5.4 7.6 8.8
56
W
26
8-0-5
M.C.G.
76059
Mon 13-Jun-2022 3:20 PM


R15 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/042120220626.html)
H
Greater Western Sydney
3.4 5.9 9.17 11.22
88
2.4 2.4 5.4 12.5
77
W
11
9-0-5
M.C.G.
30804
Sun 26-Jun-2022 3:20 PM


R16 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/042020220702.html)
A
Gold Coast
3.4 6.9 6.10 9.13
67
3.4 5.6 6.11 8.14
62
W
5
10-0-5
Carrara
16027
Sat 02-Jul-2022 7:25 PM


R17 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/041220220709.html)
H
North Melbourne
4.2 5.2 8.5 13.10
88
4.2 8.4 12.7 12.9
81
W
7
11-0-5
M.C.G.
45039
Sat 09-Jul-2022 1:45 PM


R18 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/010420220716.html)
A
Adelaide
4.1 6.3 10.5 14.7
91
3.2 7.6 10.8 13.8
86
W
5
12-0-5
Adelaide Oval
30110
Sat 16-Jul-2022 1:15 PM


R19 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/040520220724.html)
H
Essendon
6.2 7.4 8.5 12.8
80
0.1 5.3 10.7 11.10
76
W
4
13-0-5
M.C.G.
72402
Sun 24-Jul-2022 3:20 PM


R20 (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/041320220730.html)
H
Port Adelaide
4.3 7.5 11.8 13.10
88
6.3 6.6 8.9 12.10
82
W
6
14-0-5
M.C.G.
40716
Sat 30-Jul-2022 1:45 PM

[EasternWest]

He doesn’t know how to spell his own name, that’s weird.

Good ole Macare.