Crows investigating after duo allegedly caught with illicit substance

[Mofra]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/511512/crows-investigating-after-duo-allegedly-caught-with-illicit-substance


Crows investigating after duo allegedly caught with illicit substance

ADELAIDE is investigating an incident involving Brad Crouch and Tyson Stengle, after the pair were allegedly stopped by police in the early hours of Monday morning in possession of an illicit substance.

The Crows confirmed details of the incident on Monday afternoon, saying they expected police to refer both to a counselling process and suggested that neither player would be charged.

"First and foremost, the alleged conduct is serious and we will continue to ask questions and make sure we have all of the facts before settling on a definitive position going forward," the club's football boss Adam Kelly said.

"The club will also liaise closely with the AFL and AFL Players' Association during this process, including working through any consequences under the AFL's illicit drug policy.

"What is absolutely clear is that all players across the League are well educated about drug use and relevant policies.

"As an organisation, we take a very strong stance against any behaviour of this kind.

"The wellbeing of Brad and Tyson is also paramount and we will make sure they receive appropriate support."

Crouch, the club's 2019 best and fairest winner, is among this year's most sought-after restricted free agents and has attracted the interest of a number of Victorian clubs including Geelong and Essendon.

Meanwhile, it is the second significant incident involving Stengle this year, after he was banned for four matches and fined $2500 having been stopped by police for driving an unregistered vehicle and subsequently recording a blood-alcohol reading of 0.125 in April.

[bornadog]

Dickheads. So much for looking for a new club

[Axe Man]

Stengle's second issue this year after a drink driving incident, going the right way about ruining his career.

Crouch is out of there anyway but I wonder if this will put any would be suitors off? Probably not.

[Mofra]

It might make them roll back his contract a little which could impact on the Crows' compo pick.
Either way this year has been a disaster for the Crows. I won't shed many tears though.

I wonder how Keath feels, preparing for finals as he looks back at his old club right now.

[Mitcha]

Stengle's second issue this year after a drink driving incident, going the right way about ruining his career.

Crouch is out of there anyway but I wonder if this will put any would be suitors off? Probably not.
Both would fit in well at Essendon, Dodo wins trade week yet again!!!

[Bulldog4life]

Dickheads. So much for looking for a new club

It won't worry the Bummers.

[Sedat]

Stengle's second issue this year after a drink driving incident, going the right way about ruining his career.
For those clubs on the lookout for a talented young small pressure forward (albeit an immature dickhead at the moment), there's now one available very much on the cheap.

[comrade]

For those clubs on the lookout for a talented young small pressure forward (albeit an immature dickhead at the moment), there's now one available very much on the cheap.

I hope we're doing some due diligence and making an enquiry.

The Lachie Hunter saga probably makes it tough though.

[Twodogs]

I just read the heading out to my son. He looked up and said "for a second I thought you had said Crozier, phew!"

[ledge]

Bomber bound it’s 100%
Dodoro would be jumping over everyone to get to Crouch now.

[GVGjr]

I get the impression that even if they are both found out to be guilty the footy world won't be savage on them

I doubt it would it even impact Crouch's ability to negotiate a big deal that he seems to be after.

Assuming he is found to be guilty if I was in charge of a club that had a genuine interest in Crouch then I'd be wanting us to withdraw any offers and I say that though knowing I'm completely out of step with how society see's drug use.

I can't imagine this stops him for getting offers although the financial aspects might be a bit lower that he otherwise might have thought he would get

[mjp]

I doubt it would it even impact Crouch's ability to negotiate a big deal that he seems to be after.

For a player who is already questioned re- professionalism (particularly his love of a social occasion) this is not good timing...

For a club wanting to be rid of said player and his big salary, this is absolutely not good timing.

[Twodogs]

Assuming he is found to be guilty if I was in charge of a club that had a genuine interest in Crouch then I'd be wanting us to withdraw any offers and I say that though knowing I'm completely out of step with how society see's drug use.


I'm with you.

Problem is there would be players at every club doing drugs. Stengle and Couch were just silly/unlucky enough to get caught.

[Dry Rot]

What drugs were they caught with?

And did they throw away their phones?

[GVGjr]

For a player who is already questioned re- professionalism (particularly his love of a social occasion) this is not good timing...

For a club wanting to be rid of said player and his big salary, this is absolutely not good timing.

Does this really impact Adelaide if they aren't that interested in keeping him? Won't they receive roughly the same compensation for losing him as an RFA? Lets say he was after 800K per season for 4 years, at worst he will receive a 10% discount to that figure.

[mjp]

Does this really impact Adelaide if they aren't that interested in keeping him? Won't they receive roughly the same compensation for losing him as an RFA? Lets say he was after 800K per season for 4 years, at worst he will receive a 10% discount to that figure.

I would think the discount would be more than that. Salary cap going down + player with 'baggage' and a poor reputation = incentive based contract with a low base = low compensation for the Crows...

[The Adelaide Connection]

What drugs were they caught with?

And did they throw away their phones?

It has been reported that it was allegedly cocaine.

[Dry Rot]

It has been reported that it was allegedly cocaine.

Thanks.

I asked, because I wonder if they are then drug tested by the club?

[The Adelaide Connection]

Thanks.

I asked, because I wonder if they are then drug tested by the club?

The word is that they will likely end up with a strike. They do like to keep these things quiet though so I would assume we will never know for sure.

[Dry Rot]

The word is that they will likely end up with a strike. They do like to keep these things quiet though so I would assume we will never know for sure.

Thanks.

Hopefully that reduces Crouch's value and the Crows compo pick.

Have seen very little of the Crows - is Crouch any good?

[The Adelaide Connection]

Thanks.

Hopefully that reduces Crouch's value and the Crows compo pick.

Have seen very little of the Crows - is Crouch any good?

The biggest problem Adelaide had was that they had two Crouches in a vanilla midfield that was already slow. Brad is better than Matt, but they are both accumulators that lack pace and are not damaging enough for my liking.

Essentially, Brad is a poor man’s Jack MacRae. His strength is in contested ball and he would likely have similar numbers to Jack here, but he is a turnover merchant and/or likes to kick sideways a lot. I guess Geelong are looking at life after Selwood and if Brad was able to farm it out to the likes of Dangerfield (as opposed to another Crouch) he would suddenly look a lot better.

IMO he is not worth anywhere near the $750k they are reporting (or a first round compo pick for that matter).

[Dry Rot]

The biggest problem Adelaide had was that they had two Crouches in a vanilla midfield that was already slow. Brad is better than Matt, but they are both accumulators that lack pace and are not damaging enough for my liking.

Essentially, Brad is a poor man’s Jack MacRae. His strength is in contested ball and he would likely have similar numbers to Jack here, but he is a turnover merchant and/or likes to kick sideways a lot. I guess Geelong are looking at life after Selwood and if Brad was able to farm it out to the likes of Dangerfield (as opposed to another Crouch) he would suddenly look a lot better.

IMO he is not worth anywhere near the $750k they are reporting (or a first round compo pick for that matter).

Thanks. Dunno why there would be great demand for that.

[azabob]

Which one did we originally try and get via the "mini draft"?

[Mofra]

Thanks. Dunno why there would be great demand for that.
Coaches love players that can win their own ball. Being slowish and not a great kick could describe Dunkley or Josh Kennedy too.
Essendon desperately need that type.

[Mofra]

Which one did we originally try and get via the "mini draft"?
Jack Martin

[GVGjr]

I would think the discount would be more than that. Salary cap going down + player with 'baggage' and a poor reputation = incentive based contract with a low base = low compensation for the Crows...

I'd be surprised if that was the case. He just needs two clubs to be interested and he will get close to what he was asking
Failing that, Adelaide will get him to re-sign for a more reasonable offer

[azabob]

Jack Martin

I thought we were also keen on one of the Crouch boys.

It was Brad.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gun-youngsters-head-interstate-20111012-1ll85.html

[EasternWest]

I can't be the only one that thinks just because these young, highly paid men who need to keep their skinfolds down have been caught, doesn't mean they are the only ones in the league doing this.

Because that would be contrary to everything I've heard.

[Axe Man]

Brad Crouch puts free agency prospects in jeopardy with off-season indiscretion (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/brad-crouch-puts-free-agency-prospects-in-jeopardy-with-offseason-indiscretion/news-story/40cacd5204275192aace6483e2d597e3)

Brad Crouch has put a free agency mega payday in jeopardy after being caught with an illicit substance with teammate Tyson Stengle. Jon Ralph analyses what it could mean for his hopes of finding a new club.

Brad Crouch might well have committed the AFL’s version of lighting a barrel of $100 notes on fire during his ill-fated night out with Tyson Stengle and alleged possession of cocaine.

In the grand scheme of AFL misadventures players behaving badly in the off-season, this alleged offence is normally the kind to draw weeks of controversy and a trail of AFL drug-testers for the 2021 season.

In 2015, Jake Carlisle accepted a drug strike for snorting white powder in the off-season, only days into his time at St Kilda.

Carlisle’s punishment was accepting that strike as well as education and target-testing for the seasons to come.

The Herald Sun understands under the current illicit drugs code Crouch appears certain to be handed a strike by the AFL given the code operates 12 months a year.

Off-season testing is only hair-testing used for research and target-testing of players, but if a player is caught with drugs or makes admissions about their use it is the AFL’s decision about whether to hand out a strike.

So Crouch is set to be handed a drug strike, enough normally to at the least tarnish a player’s reputation for years to come.

But Crouch isn’t just any old player, he is one that is trying to orchestrate a free agency contract that will see a suitor throw vast sums of money at him for up to the next five seasons.

AFL clubs will forgive all manner of sins from players if they believe they will win them a premiership.

Richmond even signed Ben Cousins after a meeting with Terry Wallace when the Tigers head coach suspected the Eagles star was using drugs in the meeting where he was supposed to be winning over his prospective club.

In Wallace’s case, he believed signing Cousins might help give him the AFL regime that would get him off drugs, even if only for the time he was at Punt Road.

But Crouch’s problem is the jury is still out on his footballing talents at a time when clubs such as Geelong and Port Adelaide will have to not only commit to him, but convince their supporters he is worth that cash too.

The football jungle drums are beating loud that Crouch is heading to Geelong, but they would need to offer as much as $700,000 a season for him to secure safe passage through free agency.

Any less and Adelaide will likely match that free agency offer given second-round compensation and then force a trade where they would start asking for Adelaide-based players like Brandan Parfitt in exchange.

But how can Geelong convince their fans that he is worth that cash when he didn’t finish top-10 in the club’s best and fairest and has just proven himself to be far from a clean-skin?

The culture Brian Cook has built at Geelong is a values-based one where the club attracts and develops great people.

Geelong was able to argue that securing Jack Steven despite the clear baggage he was carrying — over and above his mental health issues — was about bringing him closer to family on the surf coast.

Steven’s recruitment hasn’t worked out yet but they got him for very little – pick 58 – and he might still star in a final and justify their decision.

If Crouch was to find his way to Geelong, it would take a significant public mea culpa and presumably need the approval of club leaders such as Joel Selwood, Patrick Dangerfield and Tom Hawkins.

Dangerfield has been working hard to get Crouch to Geelong given his ties to his old club.

But while the AFLPA president knows Crouch isn’t the only player in football to allegedly take illicit drugs in the off-season, it still resembles a backhander from Crouch to a senior Cats player trying so hard to get him to his club of choice.

The start of free agency remains 32 days away, a month in which Crouch has much work to do to redeem his reputation and apologise for his sins.

A good start would be to bare his soul in a legitimate public apology – not the kind where he apologises if he might have offended anyone.

For prospective clubs until now his worst offence was that in a competition that puts a premium on precise skills he could spray it like few others of the very elite ball winners.

Now an off-season where he had hoped to set himself up for life financially if he could traverse the vagaries of the AFL’s free agency system couldn’t have got off to a worse possible start.

[bornadog]

The word is that they will likely end up with a strike. They do like to keep these things quiet though so I would assume we will never know for sure.

Can you get a strike for an offseason illicit drug charge? I heard Gil this morning talking about it and the question to him was why don't you change the rules on off season drug charges ( in relation to a strike?)

[Axe Man]

Can you get a strike for an offseason illicit drug charge? I heard Gil this morning talking about it and the question to him was why don't you change the rules on off season drug charges ( in relation to a strike?)

The answer is in the article above:


The Herald Sun understands under the current illicit drugs code Crouch appears certain to be handed a strike by the AFL given the code operates 12 months a year.

Off-season testing is only hair-testing used for research and target-testing of players, but if a player is caught with drugs or makes admissions about their use it is the AFL’s decision about whether to hand out a strike.

[bornadog]

The answer is in the article above:

Thanks. Gils answer was he was going to wait and see what the Police do before any decisions are made

[azabob]

I wonder if this is his first strike? Second strike? Third strike?

Any club signing him is taking a big gamble.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Thanks. Gils answer was he was going to wait and see what the Police do before any decisions are made

That’s weird for him to say that, the police have already diverted them to counselling (as opposed to sending them to court). Apparently this is what they do for first offences on the more minor scale to stop clogging up the courts.

As an aside, Carlisle also allegedly received a strike for his preseason indiscretion.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Coaches love players that can win their own ball. Being slowish and not a great kick could describe Dunkley or Josh Kennedy too.
Essendon desperately need that type.

I agree, he is the type of player that they should have been targeting for years and would be a good fit for them.

Hopefully they pay over the reported $750k too!

[Mofra]

I agree, he is the type of player that they should have been targeting for years and would be a good fit for them.

Hopefully they pay over the reported $750k too!
I doubt he goes to Essendon, unless he 'illicit substances' found are a combination of acid and mushies and he takes both just before Essendon pitch him.

Even Essendon players don't want to play for Essendon right now.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I doubt he goes to Essendon, unless he 'illicit substances' found are a combination of acid and mushies and he takes both just before Essendon pitch him.

Even Essendon players don't want to play for Essendon right now.

...also targeting players they actually need is not really their MO.

[Twodogs]

Stengle in trouble again. Allegedly photographed with "an amount" of drugs. I get that it's hard when you have a drug problem to keep away/say no. I've not always been blameless myself (to put it mildly. I was an out and out drug slut) I understand that often it's not even a decision you make, shit happens and there you are in the vicinity of drugs.

But, for the love of God you can control having your photo taken with them. Am I being too harsh? Is the fact that everyone has a camera on their person made it all but inevitable that someone is going to sneak a photo of you for whatever reason?

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-adelaide-crows-player-tyson-stengle-facing-serious-penalty-over-fresh-alleged-drug-incident-c-1764881

[Axe Man]

Very silly, could be career over for him.

Crows having a good day - Josh Worrall caught drink driving and using his mobile.

[Twodogs]

Very silly, could be career over for him.

Crows having a good day - Josh Worrall caught drink driving and using his mobile.

Ouch! Although Worrall's timing sounds like it is impeccable though. If you're gonna get pulled over doing that then the day your higher profile teammate gets caught doing this is the right day to do it.

[Topdog]

But, for the love of God you can control having your photo taken with them. Am I being too harsh? Is the fact that everyone has a camera on their person made it all but inevitable that someone is going to sneak a photo of you for whatever reason?

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I feel like it is the times. Goodness me I'm glad I didnt grw up in an environment where everyone has a phone on them 24x7

[Bulldog Joe]

I feel like it is the times. Goodness me I'm glad I didnt grw up in an environment where everyone has a phone on them 24x7

The phone isn't actually the problem.

It is the always on webcam that is the problem. It is coincidental that they seem to have a phone attached, because the phone is hardly used as an actual telephone.

[Topdog]

The phone isn't actually the problem.

It is the always on webcam that is the problem. It is coincidental that they seem to have a phone attached, because the phone is hardly used as an actual telephone.

haha yes the problem is social media in general but also that everyone is connected to social media 24x7.

[Mofra]

James Rowe will be happy - mature aged small forward may now be in the frame for best 22 this year.