Three things you have learned. *ELIMINATION FINAL* 2020 v St Kilda.

[Twodogs]

Finals again. Week one v St Kilda so tell us what you have learned with the extra speed, pressure and focus that comes with finals footy!

[GVGjr]

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[Mantis]

1/ We need to fix our ruck situation

2/ We need to fix our forward pressure

3/ We need to fix our defensive systems... they just walked goals in.

[mjp]

1/ We need to fix our ruck situation

2/ We need to fix our forward pressure

3/ We need to fix our defensive systems... they just walked goals in.

Forward pressure was alright...and defending was ok - kept them to 10 goals. But when you are plus 16 for inside 50’s and lose...well, my goodness.

[comrade]

Same way we’ve lost all year so just copy and paste my answers from Rd 2, the Blues loss, the Lions loss etc.

[Mantis]

Forward pressure was alright...and defending was ok - kept them to 10 goals. But when you are plus 16 for inside 50’s and lose...well, my goodness.

How easily did they score their goals?

Understand the differential in inside 50’s was huge, but when he hack kick it in, and fill the forwardline with anyone except forwards then I’m not sure what we expect... especially against a tall defence.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

1. Naughton should probably go back given JUH is coming. Our back half is diabolical and needs a stable key defender. Naughton and Keath looks solid. Naughtys two finals forward have been really poor, I get the attraction of playing him forward, but I think for the betterment of the side he goes back.

2. Lipinski isn't a good fit for us. Slow, meek in the contest. Said it earlier in the year but he's expendable.

3. Could we target somebody like Mason Cox?

[Bullies]

1. Libber is our barometer. When he comes into the game we fire. Unfortunately for the first 3 quarters he was missing.

2. Ryan Gardner will make it as a footballer

3. We need a small forward who can kick goals and need to put more game time into Vandermeer for his pace.

[ratsmac]

1. Missing set shots from 20m out in an elimination final is just inexcusable. It absolutely cost us.

2. Ruck, nope didn't learn anything there

2. I'll go again. Our game style doesn't stand up in finals. This result was fitting for our season.

3. We need intercept markers. Every team seems to have them except us. Wood used to be good at it. Crozier used to be good at it. Keath is OK at it. This may come down to defensive structures.

[Dry Rot]

1/ We need to fix our ruck situation

2/ We need to fix our forward pressure

3/ We need to fix our defensive systems... they just walked goals in.

This plus we have no forward system.

Our forward line is full of HBFs and failed mids. Bruce god help us was our only specialist forward IIRC.

And critical tackles don't stick.

[Dry Rot]

2. I'll go again. Our game style doesn't stand up in finals. This result was fitting for our season.

What I was thinking for most of the game.

[Sedat]

Forward pressure was alright...and defending was ok - kept them to 10 goals. But when you are plus 16 for inside 50’s and lose...well, my goodness.
We had a lot of dirty entries. Their entries, especially in the middle 2 qtrs were quick, clean and deep.

We were gutsy to keep running the game out but some of our set up and play in the first 3 qtrs was abject.

1. We need to give more respect to the ruck and stoppage set up
2. Trading is just as important as drafting. St Kilda loses this game comfortably without their off season recruits.
3. We only beat West Coast without Nic Nat of the teams in the top 8. We ended up exactly where we deserved this season.

[FrediKanoute]

Forward pressure was alright...and defending was ok - kept them to 10 goals. But when you are plus 16 for inside 50’s and lose...well, my goodness.

Bang on. Lachie hitting the post. Bailey Smith missing a sitter. Wally missing from a free. End of the day we had chances to win this and didn't take them. Wasn't the ruck; Wasn't Cordy getting injured; it was not making the most of forward entries.

[FrediKanoute]

1) we have the basis of a team that can be competitive, but I'm not sure we have the team that will take he next step in a final;

2) our 20th/21st/22nd players need to be better;

3) we need to be more than just Caleb Daniel

[Rance Fan]

1 We have too many same type players. No Bigs
2 Just cos you are the tallest player in the club, doesn't mean you know how and can play the ruck role. Keep him FF in 2021
3 Long bombs and missed shots...ordinary

[The Bulldogs Bite]

3. Could we target somebody like Mason Cox?

This call looks great right about now ;)

[DOG GOD]

1) we are in DESPERATE need for a ruckman
2) we are in DESPERATE need for a Cameron/Ryan clone
3) we are in DESPERATE need for goal kicking/tackling coaches

[SonofScray]

1 scoreboard pressure is the best sort of pressure

2 our system is not up to scratch

3 scraping into finals and being dealt with by shit rival is really disappointing

[AshMac]

1. We have learnt absolutely nothing about finals footy

the rest of the disappointing lessons I already knew

[westdog54]

1. Watching Brad Hill's workrate up and down the ground made me realise just how much I miss Liam Picken and Matthew Boyd.
2. Paddy Ryder is criminally underrated.
3. Caleb Daniel might be the best kick of a football I have EVER seen play the game.

[Eastdog]

Bang on. Lachie hitting the post. Bailey Smith missing a sitter. Wally missing from a free. End of the day we had chances to win this and didn't take them. Wasn't the ruck; Wasn't Cordy getting injured; it was not making the most of forward entries.

Agree although the ruck is an issue for us. Considering the margin of 3 points yes not taking those big chances cost us this game.

[macca]

1) we are in DESPERATE need for a ruckman
2) we are in DESPERATE need for a Cameron/Ryan clone
3) we are in DESPERATE need for goal kicking/tackling coaches

There must be players in the local leagues which meet the first 2 ?

Ryder was the ruckman we had to chase last year . Did we go hard for him? I would be staggered if he was not chased hard. His very good with his Ruck craft , gets in the right positions , excellent mark and kicks goals .

Where can we find a ruck /fwd that is available ? Is Wright a chance ?

What is Gilbee doing nowadays ? Or I hope we can keep Dickson around to help out with the kicking

[Bulldog4life]

1. We were the fitter team.
2. If it wasn't for the shorter quarters in my opinion we would have won.
3. Left our run too late.

[Scorlibo]

1. Some of our best players let us down when it mattered most. Bontempelli, Macrae and Hunter. They had a few moments but by and large had little effect on the game. Bontempelli had only 4 contested possessions, Macrae only 1 clearance, Hunter a huge missed opportunity in front of goal and about 5 'nothing' up and under kicks down the wing. These three are champions but I hope the memory of this game spurs them to greater heights next year.

2. The good teams slip past our forward pressure. So many frustrating missed tackles that allowed the Saints to exit their defensive fifty.

3. We came into the game with the wrong mindset. Clearly there was some kind of instruction to slow down movement, or possess the ball by foot. It resulted in consistent congestion in our forward half. When we finally started taking the game on in the last quarter it proved too little too late.

[Bulldog4life]

1. Some of our best players let us down when it mattered most. Bontempelli, Macrae and Hunter. They had a few moments but by and large had little effect on the game. Bontempelli had only 4 contested possessions, Macrae only 1 clearance, Hunter a huge missed opportunity in front of goal and about 5 'nothing' up and under kicks down the wing. These three are champions but I hope the memory of this game spurs them to greater heights next year.

2. The good teams slip past our forward pressure. So many frustrating missed tackles that allowed the Saints to exit their defensive fifty.

3. We came into the game with the wrong mindset. Clearly there was some kind of instruction to slow down movement, or possess the ball by foot. It resulted in consistent congestion in our forward half. When we finally started taking the game on in the last quarter it proved too little too late.


I thought Macrae was super tough playing on after coping the shoulder to the face/jaw. Wouldn't be surprised if it affected him the rest of the match. One tough bugger.

[bornadog]

1. We need to finish in the top four and get a second chance. That is the third elimination final we have bowed out in, two by less than a goal.

2. We need to target another Key Backman to take on the gorillas - these fullforwards are not getting shorter with the King boys over 200, Lynch over 200 and many more coming through.

3. We need a reliable small pressure forward who also kicks goals and someone to play the second ruck role effectively.

[SquirrelGrip]

2. We need to target another Key Backman to take on the gorillas - these fullforwards are not getting shorter with the King boys over 200, Lynch over 200 and many more coming through.

It’s the giraffes that are the problem moving forward, not the gorillas.

[bornadog]

It’s the giraffes that are the problem moving forward, not the gorillas.

Yeah, time to change the terminology, they are tall and athletic as well.

[Stefcep]

This plus we have no forward system.

Our forward line is full of HBFs and failed mids. Bruce god help us was our only specialist forward IIRC.

And critical tackles don't stick.


I actually think we do have a forward system. I don't like it, but its there..........But its not really a system, its chaotic, unpredictable, hapharzard. This is no accident because its been the same for all of Beveridge's tenure even in 2016.

The thing he will rightly point out is that the purpose of a forward system is create goal scoring opportunities more than your opponent gets, to win the game.

Well we actually did that. We created the opportunities and we kept them to 10 goals That should be enough to win. And 3 points margin says the system isn't to blame...

Personally, I want to see the whole game plan overhauled, but can the players play another way?

[Danjul]

I actually think we do have a forward system. I don't like it, but its there..........But its not really a system, its chaotic, unpredictable, hapharzard. This is no accident because its been the same for all of Beveridge's tenure even in 2016.

The thing he will rightly point out is that the purpose of a forward system is create goal scoring opportunities more than your opponent gets, to win the game.

Well we actually did that. We created the opportunities and we kept them to 10 goals That should be enough to win. And 3 points margin says the system isn't to blame...

Personally, I want to see the whole game plan overhauled, but can the players play another way?
Yesterday our best forwards were the umpires. I think they had 3 of our first 4 goals.

They seem to be the only scoring opportunities the deliberate chaos game plan generates.

[mjp]

Yesterday our best forwards were the umpires. I think they had 3 of our first 4 goals.


Well...the stats will say that but the first goal (Bruce) was in the run of play after a free kick had been paid. I think he should have stopped/given the ball back to ( I think) Wallis but our players have done this all year. Play-on-advantage inside scoring distance but OUTSIDE the goal square is just selfish, me first footy.

We aren’t a super disciplined side.

[GVGjr]

Well...the stats will say that but the first goal (Bruce) was in the run of play after a free kick had been paid. I think he should have stopped/given the ball back to ( I think) Wallis but our players have done this all year. Play-on-advantage inside scoring distance but OUTSIDE the goal square is just selfish, me first footy.

We aren’t a super disciplined side.

That would have halved Bruce's total kicks of the footy for the day :)

[mjp]

That would have halved Bruce's total kicks of the footy for the day :)

Kicks aside, he was poor. Couldn’t stick a tackle. Couldn’t prevent st Kilda taking marks in f50...Having lived the JB experience for 17 games now I honestly wonder what we saw in him in the first place. I admit to liking him as an option during 2019 but didn’t really watch that much of the Saints last year...

Basically, I don’t get it.

[The bulldog tragician]

That would have halved Bruce's total kicks of the footy for the day :)

Anyone else feel embarrassed at his “pulling the jumper” gesture? When you’re at your third club it feels a bit empty. It was certainly premature!

As for what I learnt:

2016 is a long long way back in the rear vision mirror and this team does not have the same hunger that group collectively had - it doesn’t just happen again automatically and yet we still heard a lot about whether we could win again from 7th...

I still don’t know if I want Naughton to be a forward or a defender ... mainly I just badly want him to be uninjured!

More than what I learnt, I’d love to hear what Bevo has learnt. I’m not at all clear on the vision or strategy that we’re following...not criticising...I just get very mixed messages about the side that he’s trying to mould and the selection and recruitment decisions he’s made over the past couple of years

[GVGjr]

Kicks aside, he was poor. Couldn’t stick a tackle. Couldn’t prevent st Kilda taking marks in f50...Having lived the JB experience for 17 games now I honestly wonder what we saw in him in the first place. I admit to liking him as an option during 2019 but didn’t really watch that much of the Saints last year...

Basically, I don’t get it.

I know players can go through poor patches but the real concern is why we just picking him outside of the one missed game with injury.

14 goals from 17 games is reasonable but 6 of them came in one game. His kicking for goal was generally woeful. His relief ruck work is poor as well.
He's got some work to do next season to repay the faith we placed in him and to go close to earning his pay

[SonofScray]

More than what I learnt, I’d love to hear what Bevo has learnt. I’m not at all clear on the vision or strategy that we’re following...not criticising...I just get very mixed messages about the side that he’s trying to mould and the selection and recruitment decisions he’s made over the past couple of years
Not much I fear. We've wasted so much time since the flag saying one thing over summer and then not implementing it come the season. He's presented himself better recently & seemed to have figured out what he wanted last year after a dismal start, but it seems like he wiped it all again, for a similar outcome, with less reward.

It's all in the margins, a finals win I thought would be par and restore some confidence I had in him. He was 3 points away. My belief in him and his tenure is back where it was at the start of the season. Uncertain. Only marginally better than where it was prior to the halfway mark last year, which was rock bottom.

[bornadog]

Kicks aside, he was poor. Couldn’t stick a tackle. Couldn’t prevent st Kilda taking marks in f50...Having lived the JB experience for 17 games now I honestly wonder what we saw in him in the first place. I admit to liking him as an option during 2019 but didn’t really watch that much of the Saints last year...

Basically, I don’t get it.

Last year kicked 35 plus goals and 5th in AFL total contested marks.

He has had a poor season, and hopefully he works on it over the summer and we see what happens next year.

[Happy Days]

Of all the issues I had with yesterday's performance Bruce's total inability to get to any contests to halve them, which from what I can tell is his entire role in the side, was the most frustrating.

His effort at what ended up being the final live moment of the match was pitiful. If he can't find a way to get back those ten or so yards of pace he lost then he won't be able to split any packs, he won't be able to get any separation to be hit up, and he will continue to be totally useless.

[Sedat]

Kicks aside, he was poor. Couldn’t stick a tackle. Couldn’t prevent st Kilda taking marks in f50...Having lived the JB experience for 17 games now I honestly wonder what we saw in him in the first place. I admit to liking him as an option during 2019 but didn’t really watch that much of the Saints last year...

Basically, I don’t get it.
Being the sucker for punishment, I decide to watch a replay of the last qtr today. When there is a marking contest there is absolutely no thought given by Bruce to shepherd or to legally stop the run of his direct opponent and allow Naughts a proper run and jump at it. There is absolutely no chemistry or synergy between the 2 players like there is with other key forward duos.

The pivotal 2 marking contests at F50 in the last 90 seconds were damning. First up Membury takes an uncontested mark because Bruce was running backwards and not even looking at the ball, and as a result he and his opponent got directly in the way of Naughton to run and leap and kill the contest/mark it. Crozier was on Membury and could have gone up but he reasonably thought there was enough firepower with Bruce and Naughts to contest against Membury, so he went front and centre. After the Membury mark, we somehow win the ball back again 20 seconds later (great manning up and structure behind the ball to stop them icing the clock) and have another chance with Duryea kicking into F50, set up by Daniel handball. This time Crozier decides to go for the mark because he doesn't trust Bruce after the previous botched contest. Unfortunately Bruce directly spoils Crozier and then half a second later gives away the lazy free for too high. In both those marking contests we had good cover in the air and good cover at ground level to pick up the spoils.

On evidence of this year Bruce has a very low football IQ. Getting to as many contests as possible doesn't mean fly for absolutely everything. There is a massive disconnect between our key forwards or there is very poor coaching and instructions given to the key forwards to fly for everything.

Oh, and Ryder was just as massive in the replay as he was live. He won almost every stoppage and gave them a silver platter with easy ball - he set up their only goal and also the Billings point which he should have kicked. He also won contested marks as the outlet on the wing - he got them really important field position whenever we threatened. Also Caleb and Williams were outstanding in that last qtr, Williams in D50 with his rebounding and Caleb as the architect in the middle.

[Danjul]

Last he kicked 35 plus goals and 5th in AFL total contested marks.

He has had a poor season, and hopefully he works on it over the summer and we see what happens next year.

It is incomprehensible that he has been selected every game based upon his output. 5 goals from 14 games. Take out the game where Schache looked after him and you have nothing.

But the real tragedy for the supporters is they are not surprised.

[comrade]

Being the sucker for punishment, I decide to watch a replay of the last qtr today. When there is a marking contest there is absolutely no thought given by Bruce to shepherd or to legally stop the run of his direct opponent and allow Naughts a proper run and jump at it. There is absolutely no chemistry or synergy between the 2 players like there is with other key forward duos.

The pivotal 2 marking contests at F50 in the last 90 seconds were damning. First up Membury takes an uncontested mark because Bruce was running backwards and not even looking at the ball, and as a result he and his opponent got directly in the way of Naughton to run and leap and kill the contest/mark it. Crozier was on Membury and could have gone up but he reasonably thought there was enough firepower with Bruce and Naughts to contest against Membury. We somehow win the ball back again 20 seconds later (great manning up and structure behind the ball to stop them icing the clock) and have another chance with Duryea kicking into F50. This time Crozier decides to go for the mark because he doesn't trust Bruce after the previous botched contest. Unfortunately Bruce directly spoils Crozier and then half a second later gives away the lazy free for too high. In both those marking contests we had good cover in the air and good cover at ground level to pick up the spoils.

On evidence of this year Bruce has a very low football IQ. Getting to as many contests as possible doesn't mean fly for absolutely everything. There is a massive disconnect between our key forwards or there is very poor coaching and instructions given to the key forwards to fly for everything.

Oh, and Ryder was just massive in the replay as he was live. He won almost every stoppage and gave them a silver platter with easy ball - he set up their only goal and also the Billings point which he should have kicked. He also won contested marks as the outlet on the wing - he got them really important field position whenever we threatened. Also Caleb and Williams were outstanding in that last qtr, Williams in D50 with his rebounding and Caleb as the architect in the middle.

Nice recap, Sedat.

The small gains Bruce had won over the past few weeks have been completely wiped by his performance yesterday. He needs a massive pre-season but to be honest, given we played him in spite of his horrendous form following his one good game v North, is the incentive really there for him to transform himself?

[Sedat]

Nice recap, Sedat.

The small gains Bruce had won over the past few weeks have been completely wiped by his performance yesterday. He needs a massive pre-season but to be honest, given we played him in spite of his horrendous form following his one good game v North, is the incentive really there for him to transform himself?
I forgot to mention that both Wally and Richards were front and center in that last contest where Crozier was spoiled by Bruce. The Saints defenders were aiming to spoil forward where Richards was but Bruce got there first and knocked it to the feet of the pack, where of course there was heavy congestion. Cue the free kick and game over.

[bornadog]

Being the sucker for punishment, I decide to watch a replay of the last qtr today. .

I agree with everything you said about Bruce - it is a worry. If you go back to my posts from earlier in the year, I really questioned why we needed to recruit him. It wasn't a need for us.

I mentioned this in the game day thread, I don't like the way Naughton plays FF at all. He is always at the back of the pack or on the side surrounded by opposition and not leading anywhere to open up the forward line and give a target for the mids. Naughton has alot to learn in his craft, remembering he has never really played forward in his junior days and he is only 20 years old - 6 months older than the King Bros.

I think we need to look at a new forwards coach because Hansen is too old style, has had his chance and we need fresh eyes, someone more recent out of the game.

[The bulldog tragician]

I agree with everything you said about Bruce - it is a worry. If you go back to my posts from earlier in the year, I really questioned why we needed to recruit him. It wasn't a need for us.

I mentioned this in the game day thread, I don't like the way Naughton plays FF at all. He is always at the back of the pack or on the side surrounded by opposition and not leading anywhere to open up the forward line and give a target for the mids. Naughton has alot to learn in his craft, remembering he has never really played forward in his junior days and he is only 20 years old - 6 months older than the King Bros.

I think we need to look at a new forwards coach because Hansen is too old style, has had his chance and we need fresh eyes, someone more recent out of the game.
I feel Naughton led a lot more last year, it was something I liked about his game, he kept presenting. Based on Sedat’s great recap his trickiest opponent has usually been the bloke wearing number 7 for us.

I wonder how many times this year we got the scenarios that other teams get against us...where the ball speeds into a really open forward line with so much space that a goal is inevitable. Even when we win our goals are often hard work, I can barely remember a player being able to do a leisurely stroll into goal. I’d love to see us able to get Naughton one on one more frequently, he is such a superb mark, but he is usually in the midst of congestion...so MUCH congestion.

[Sedat]

I feel Naughton led a lot more last year, it was something I liked about his game, he kept presenting. Based on Sedat’s great recap his trickiest opponent has usually been the bloke wearing number 7 for us.

I wonder how many times this year we got the scenarios that other teams get against us...where the ball speeds into a really open forward line with so much space that a goal is inevitable. Even when we win our goals are often hard work, I can barely remember a player being able to do a leisurely stroll into goal. I’d love to see us able to get Naughton one on one more frequently, he is such a superb mark, but he is usually in the midst of congestion...so MUCH congestion.
Just on Naughton, he took 2 monster pack marks in the last qtr and in both of them he had to compete against his direct opponent and also Bruce and his direct opponent. Their chemistry is a clear problem.

The one game where Naughton got a lot of space and clean delivery was against Adelaide when he kicked a big bag and Bruce didn't play. Granted Adelaide were hopeless at the time but he still had to do it against Daniel Talia who is no mug (unlike his brother)

[Happy Days]

Just on Naughton, he took 2 monster pack marks in the last qtr and in both of them he had to compete against his direct opponent and also Bruce and his direct opponent. Their chemistry is a clear problem.

I can think of one solution.

[The bulldog tragician]

I can think of one solution.

Move him to the backline where his spoiling could be an asset?:)

[comrade]

I can think of one solution.

The Polec Protocol?

[GVGjr]

The Polec Protocol?

I thought it might be the Shane Stremple solution down at the Yarraville nets :)

[GetDimmaBack]

How often do I need to learn these things?

1. THey had Marshall and Ryder. We had English. We need our Ryder.

2. Bad kicking is bad football.

3. Apparently we might have a chance at a good kid in the draft. Haven't heard much about him, though...

[bornadog]

I can think of one solution.


Move him to the backline where his spoiling could be an asset?:)

How would a Peter Wright work out for us. We could move Naughton back to FB, Jamara forward pocket, and Peter and English swapping in the ruck/ forward roles?

[Eastdog]

3. Apparently we might have a chance at a good kid in the draft. Haven't heard much about him, though...

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan. A bit about him here GDB on the AFL website from back in May 2020:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/432689/why-ugle-hagan-is-keen-to-fill-bont-s-boots-at-the-kennel

[hujsh]

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan. A bit about him here GDB on the AFL website from back in May 2020:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/432689/why-ugle-hagan-is-keen-to-fill-bont-s-boots-at-the-kennel

Think it was a bit tongue in cheek that comment ED

[Sedat]

How would a Peter Wright work out for us. We could move Naughton back to FB, Jamara forward pocket, and Peter and English swapping in the ruck/ forward roles?
We could go after Peter Wright, but is he the player we need to fill a specific role? Since our flag we have traded in Cloke, Trengove, Schache and now Bruce to address specific KPP needs and none of them have improved our team at all to date. That is an unmitigated trading and list management disaster.

Wright may well be worth chasing but what is the specific role we are chasing him for? Worth noting that he failed to get a game all season in a bottom 5 team and wasn't injured.

[bornadog]

We could go after Peter Wright, but is he the player we need to fill a specific role? Since our flag we have traded in Cloke, Trengove, Schache and now Bruce to address specific KPP needs and none of them have improved our team at all to date. That is an unmitigated trading and list management disaster.

Wright may well be worth chasing but what is the specific role we are chasing him for? Worth noting that he failed to get a game all season in a bottom 5 team and wasn't injured.

Ruck/Forward to help out Tim

[bulldogsthru&thru]

On paper Wright is the perfect player to compliment Tim in the ruck and spend time forward. However he's not really a ruckman at all. Not any more than Trengove is. And getting him means we certainly need to offload Schache and potentially even Bruce. That's not even considering why he can't get a game for the Suns.

[Sedat]

Ruck/Forward to help out Tim
What are his ruck stats? How many minutes per game has he rucked previously and can ruck moving forward? Will he improve our stoppage game and give the midfield first CLEAN use? If he comes in, what then of Schache and Bruce, who are almost identical types (primarily forward but can ruck a bit when needed)?

Sorry for all the questions but they need to be asked. My preference is for a quality stoppage ruckman who can provide value elsewhere (aka Goldy despite his age). I'm not sure Wright ticks all those boxes.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

What are his ruck stats? How many minutes per game has he rucked previously and can ruck moving forward? Will he improve our stoppage game and give the midfield first CLEAN use? If he comes in, what then of Schache and Bruce, who are almost identical types (primarily forward but can ruck a bit when needed)?

Sorry for all the questions but they need to be asked. My preference is for a quality stoppage ruckman who can provide value elsewhere (aka Goldy despite his age). I'm not sure Wright ticks all those boxes.

If the Saints are going hard for Taranto, they'll certainly be splashing some coin. I know they won't let him go but what would it take to pry Marshall out?

[bornadog]

What are his ruck stats? How many minutes per game has he rucked previously and can ruck moving forward? Will he improve our stoppage game and give the midfield first CLEAN use? If he comes in, what then of Schache and Bruce, who are almost identical types (primarily forward but can ruck a bit when needed)?

Sorry for all the questions but they need to be asked. My preference is for a quality stoppage ruckman who can provide value elsewhere (aka Goldy despite his age). I'm not sure Wright ticks all those boxes.

Just a suggestion, that is all.

Same questions you are asking can be directed to anyone coming in.

[Bulldog4life]

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan. A bit about him here GDB on the AFL website from back in May 2020:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/432689/why-ugle-hagan-is-keen-to-fill-bont-s-boots-at-the-kennel

I have seen Jamarra to be 194cm and 196cm in a number of different articles. Here we go again.

[bornadog]

I have seen Jamarra to be 194cm and 196cm in a number of different articles. Here we go again.

He is a teenager growing.

[azabob]

He is a teenager growing.

lol!!

[The Adelaide Connection]

What's Zephaniah Skinner doing these days? The kid could seriously jump and at 190ish cm is the type of ruckman Bevo could really get around. ;)