Preseason Training 2021

[Vred]

198? Surely an inside mid in 2022!


with the way the games going, your not half wrong.

I suspect he'll grow an extra few CM's over the next year or two, hopefully fills out and can fill that lockdown defender role we need down back, as well as back up ruck

[Mofra]

with the way the games going, your not half wrong.
Blicavs will go back in 2021 but has played plenty of time on the wing.
Darcy Jnr is only 3cm taller than Patty Cripps!

[azabob]

Hope his knees are strong. He will surely be the first third gen player we have seen.

Is there concerns over his speed and agility?

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Is there concerns over his speed and agility?

Only genetically. His dad's knees shortened his career.

[bornadog]

Bont’s Blues take match-sim honours (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/852502/bont-s-blues-take-match-sim-honours?fbclid=IwAR12Lw7zcmiaje7a8KxLbql1H4HKPOPub8ExEwYxuFZ MUEkvbIIdLMP9vAQ)

Two goals from skipper Marcus Bontempelli helped the Blues claim the chocolates in the Western Bulldogs’ first extended scratch match hit-out for 2021.


With a healthy list to work with and a number of players vying for a spot on the Bulldogs’ list in 2021, there were nearly 40 players involved in the session.


Bontempelli split the big sticks twice from a distance in the eight goal to five game.


Off-season recruit Adam Treloar also featured for the Blues and kicked a goal, with spearhead Aaron Naughton and speedster Laitham Vandermeer chiming in with one apiece.


Emerging defender Buku Khamis produced one of the day’s highlights, with a goal on the run from outside-50.


Treloar played in a Blue midfield alongside the likes of Tom Liberatore, who impressed again, plus young guns Pat Lipinski and Rhylee West.


Number one draft pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan also ran out for the Blue team, with ruckmen Stefan Martin and Tim English spending time on the same team and playing against each other.


For the team in Yellow, AFL hopeful Corey Preston impressed with a pair of majors.


The 18-year-old small forward is one of four players training with the Bulldogs in the hope of earning a spot on the AFL list.


Bailey Smith, Jack Macrae and Josh Dunkley spent time in the Yellow midfield, with English and yet-to-debut big man Jordon Sweet.


Father-son prospect Sam Darcy also featured in the same role as his father, Luke, spending time forward and in the ruck.


Key forward Josh Schache was one of three individual goal-kickers for team Yellow, alongside Ben Cavarra and Lin Jong, who each displayed good signs spending time on the ball and up forward

[Axe Man]

It would be handy if Preston turns out to be the small forward we crave.

[bornadog]

Good to see Buki do some nice things and what great experience for Sam Darcy

[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[Rocket Science]

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Just me or does Jongy look sturdier and less 'wiry'?

Wonder if it's part of a new conditioning angle to help keep him on the park.

[1eyedog]

Just me or does Jongy look sturdier and less 'wiry'?

Wonder if it's part of a new conditioning angle to help keep him on the park.

yeah looks heavier.

[1eyedog]

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Met Westy in the fish and chip shop last week at Apollo Bay. Was with Lynchy. He ordered flake, 6 dimmies and chips. I said that will take some work and he replied that he'll do 10km of soft sand running tomorrow.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It would be handy if Preston turns out to be the small forward we crave.

How many list spots do we have left?

[Axe Man]

How many list spots do we have left?

1 for Lloyd, 2 if we want to place Mclean on the long term injury list.

[Axe Man]

Met Westy in the fish and chip shop last week at Apollo Bay. Was with Lynchy. He ordered flake, 6 dimmies and chips. I said that will take some work and he replied that he'll do 10km of soft sand running tomorrow.

I hope at least the flake was grilled.:D

[1eyedog]

I hope at least the flake was grilled.:D

There was nothing grilled on the pile, no. When in Rome I suppose.

As an aside, Sweety looks like a massive unit. Makes Martin look smallish.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

How do you order fish and chips and leave without at least 1 potato cake.

[Dry Rot]

As an aside, Sweety looks like a massive unit. Makes Martin look smallish.

Who else can't wait for Sweet's debut? And to bash someone.

[Rocket Science]

Who else can't wait for Sweet's debut? And to bash Jeremy Cameron.

Fixed! :o

[jeemak]

Who else can't wait for Sweet's debut? And to bash someone.

I'm just looking forward to seeing him dominate real VFL matches and kick a few, take some marks around the ground, and hopefully bring some mongrel to the role to counter what we get with English.

Timmy English excites me a lot, at full potential being realised I don't see how he's not a league top ten player at some stage in his career. And I also think his ruck craft is a bit better than people give him credit for, but his strength and willingness to use what he already has in that area leaves a bit to be desired.

We need Sweet to step up and provide competition and support in the ruck department, and it will only be through consistent good performances where he shows aggression, a few tricks in different areas and dominates that he will get his chance.

[jeemak]

Fixed! :o

Just warming into your preseason RS......I look forward to you coming off light duties in the next couple of weeks.

[1eyedog]

How do you order fish and chips and leave without at least 1 potato cake.

Was thinking the same thing. Six dim sims! :D

[Smads57]

Did anyone else notice there was a decided lack of references in the match sim report, to the performances of any backline players. It was all about the mids/fwds....

[Rocket Science]

Was thinking the same thing. Six dim sims! :D

I've always suspect our very own Tom Liberatore was the genius behind this inspired work of art (https://www.instagram.com/dim_sim_king/), but perhaps I should've been looking at West the Younger.

Though perhaps Libba's simply taken a padawan under his wing, for the legacy must endure.

[Hotdog60]

Did anyone else notice there was a decided lack of references in the match sim report, to the performances of any backline players. It was all about the mids/fwds....

That's because the backs aren't needed because the ball won't be down there very often. :)

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Exciting to hear Preston snagged a couple given his limited opportunity at a higher level.
https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/corey-preston/

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Did anyone else notice there was a decided lack of references in the match sim report, to the performances of any backline players. It was all about the mids/fwds....

Smads, I believe there were no references because our backline sucks.

[1eyedog]

I've always suspect our very own Tom Liberatore was the genius behind this inspired work of art (https://www.instagram.com/dim_sim_king/), but perhaps I should've been looking at West the Younger.

Though perhaps Libba's simply taken a padawan under his wing, for the legacy must endure.

Nah Libba is the king. The perfect mentor really.

[bornadog]

the angry PE teacher

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsibrmkUwAA09Dy?format=jpg&name=large

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsibsvwU4AAQ1xK?format=jpg&name=large

[comrade]

the angry pe teacher

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/esibrmkuwaa09dy?format=jpg&name=large

I said drop and give me 20!

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsiaqWVUwAEg99G?format=jpg&name=large

[The Underdog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsiaqWVUwAEg99G?format=jpg&name=large

Laughing because some kid just fell off the climbing rope.

[comrade]

Laughing because some kid just fell off the climbing rope.

"One more lap, fat boy'

[EasternWest]

Laughing because some kid just fell off the climbing rope.

Ha ha ha look at the little fatty.

[The Underdog]

Ha ha ha look at the little fatty.

Somehow never sees that kid get dacked though.

[EasternWest]

Somehow never sees that kid get dacked though.

Sees it? He orders it.

[Vred]

I've always suspect our very own Tom Liberatore was the genius behind this inspired work of art (https://www.instagram.com/dim_sim_king/), but perhaps I should've been looking at West the Younger.

Though perhaps Libba's simply taken a padawan under his wing, for the legacy must endure.

The food truck I plan to open later this year is gonna have a Libba and Bont burger on the menu, that's for sure.

[bornadog]

The food truck I plan to open later this year is gonna have a Libba and Bont burger on the menu, that's for sure.

What will be in the burger to reflect the two players? eg Plenty Chilli in the Libba Burger?

[Vred]

What will be in the burger to reflect the two players? eg Plenty Chilli in the Libba Burger?

Probably something very messy for the Libba, pulled pork, slaw, pickled onion, bbq and chilli sauce.

Something more refined for the Bont, 14 hour smoked brisket, lettuce, tomato cheese etc.

I'll be naming a few burgers/items after Bulldogs legends/stars, Ill get WOOF's input closer to the day.

[azabob]

Probably something very messy for the Libba, pulled pork, slaw, pickled onion, bbq and chilli sauce.

Something more refined for the Bont, 14 hour smoked brisket, lettuce, tomato cheese etc.

I'll be naming a few burgers/items after Bulldogs legends/stars, Ill get WOOF's input closer to the day.

When you are ready you need to create a dedicated thread.

[comrade]

Probably something very messy for the Libba, pulled pork, slaw, pickled onion, bbq and chilli sauce.

Something more refined for the Bont, 14 hour smoked brisket, lettuce, tomato cheese etc.

I'll be naming a few burgers/items after Bulldogs legends/stars, Ill get WOOF's input closer to the day.

Surely this is the Libba burger:

https://i.ibb.co/tZDSF3f/tumblr-inline-nohlcfa-Rjo1qb3cj5-1280.jpg (https://ibb.co/4spc3Jy)

[bornadog]

The food truck I plan to open later this year is gonna have a Libba and Bont burger on the menu, that's for sure.

Good luck with the venture.

[AshMac]

Surely this is the Libba burger:

https://i.ibb.co/tZDSF3f/tumblr-inline-nohlcfa-Rjo1qb3cj5-1280.jpg (https://ibb.co/4spc3Jy)

100%. Beat me to it.

[comrade]

100%. Beat me to it.

Either that or a Vietnamese bahn mi given his 2016 post season shenanigans.

[Rocket Science]

The food truck I plan to open later this year is gonna have a Libba and Bont burger on the menu, that's for sure.

I humbly beseech ye in the name of true connoisseurs everywhere, may the mighty Moe Oyster get a guernsey.

[AshMac]

Either that or a Vietnamese bahn mi given his 2016 post season shenanigans.

Solid banter. I’m still voting the Dimmie sandwich!

[GVGjr]

Solid banter. I’m still voting the Dimmie sandwich!

Hasn't Libba got a fruit and nut bar type tattoo? If so a deep fried Mars Bar, and given our link to Mars Stadium, might be the perfect fast food for him

[AshMac]

Hasn't Libba got a fruit and nut bar type tattoo? If so a deep fried Mars Bar, and given our link to Mars Stadium, might be the perfect fast food for him

This has got legs! Might need a commitment none of these items are sold to Libba if he rocks up to the food truck. Want him in pristine condition this year!

[gohardorgohome]

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What a great photo to show how a stronger ruckman should position themself..(pre one metre rule).. low wide stance which is hard to move...one shoulder holding out the other ruck........ ohhh I hate the one metre rule for ruckmen... long live the shorter stronger smarter ruckman over ex basketballers and athletes....

Id be so happy if Martin is as good as The Peoples Beard

[gohardorgohome]

I'm just looking forward to seeing him dominate real VFL matches and kick a few, take some marks around the ground, and hopefully bring some mongrel to the role to counter what we get with English.

Timmy English excites me a lot, at full potential being realised I don't see how he's not a league top ten player at some stage in his career. And I also think his ruck craft is a bit better than people give him credit for, but his strength and willingness to use what he already has in that area leaves a bit to be desired.

We need Sweet to step up and provide competition and support in the ruck department, and it will only be through consistent good performances where he shows aggression, a few tricks in different areas and dominates that he will get his chance.

English will be awesome if he obtains a nasty streak... like many of his team mates he seems very nice.

[Dry Rot]

English will be awesome if he obtains a nasty streak... like many of his team mates he seems very nice.

We need to hire Mick Gatto as an assistant coach.

[gohardorgohome]

We need to hire Mick Gatto as an assistant coach.

Not really but I’d be delighted if players can step up to the intensity of both Libbas, Clay Smith, Dale Morris, Matthew Boyd, Liam Picken, Shane Biggs.

Not too many “ Nice “ teams win premierships unless they are very talented....

[Twodogs]

Hope his knees are strong. He will surely be the first third gen player we have seen.

Depends on what you mean by third generation. Frank Asked (who played in the VFA for us) was the father in law of Arthur Stevens who played in the '54 premiership and who was the father of Allan Edwards who finished his VFL career with us. Jake Edwards and Shane O Bree were the fourth generation to play league football by not with us.

[Twodogs]

We need to hire Mick Gatto as an assistant coach.

Mick's "consulting business" is located not far from Whitten oval but I think he's a Carlton supporter.

[The Underdog]

Mick's "consulting business" is located not far from Whitten oval but I think he's a Carlton supporter.

Makes sense, what with the brown paper bags and all.

[Bulldog4life]

What a great photo to show how a stronger ruckman should position themself..(pre one metre rule).. low wide stance which is hard to move...one shoulder holding out the other ruck........ ohhh I hate the one metre rule for ruckmen... long live the shorter stronger smarter ruckman over ex basketballers and athletes....

Id be so happy if Martin is as good as The Peoples Beard

Not forgetting the pull of Sweet's top. Surprising how the good ruckmen get away with this a lot.

[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

Get Excited

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtRAtfBUYAAOyPS?format=jpg&name=medium

[Grantysghost]

Get Excited

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtRAtfBUYAAOyPS?format=jpg&name=medium

It looks like that's Jamarra honing his high marking chops. Reality : defender step ladder drill.

[Rocket Science]

Props to Zainer for putting his hand up to get 'posterized' for the greater good.

[Grantysghost]

Props to Zainer for putting his hand up to get 'posterized' for the greater good.

Using the Brad Johnson memorial marking bag no less. Or is that the drink cart... Maybe both!

[Axe Man]

https://i.postimg.cc/rsvWZ5VL/Capture.png (https://postimg.cc/K3DRRk39)

I guess this means 1 of them is training as a defender.

[comrade]

https://i.postimg.cc/rsvWZ5VL/Capture.png (https://postimg.cc/K3DRRk39)

I guess this means 1 of them is training as a defender.

Looks like Young is pointing for the kicker to go left for a lead...

Schache to defence confirmed.

[jeemak]

He could be pointing to another forward for a defender to pick up.

[josie]

Very perceptive comrade !!

I wonder what surprises Bevo has in store for us, then again nothing with Bevo positions & selections should really surprise us.

Carn the dogs.

[mjp]

Looks like Young is pointing for the kicker to go left for a lead...

Schache to defence confirmed.

Young is listed on the website as a Key Forward.

I know it doesn't mean much but it used to say key defender...

It could of course be a simple alternating leader/defender marking drill where they each take a turn...forwards - after all - have to defend as well!

[Doc26]

It looks like that's Jamarra honing his high marking chops. Reality : defender step ladder drill.


Get Excited

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtRAtfBUYAAOyPS?format=jpg&name=medium

Just an entree to JUH one day taking one of the greatest high marks of all time, hopefully not over Zaine.

[Hotdog60]

Intensity ramps up in match practice

https://resources.westernbulldogs.com.au/photo-resources/2021/02/06/9e6a40a1-1700-4eb9-9c9a-49ba8c63a735/HERO_070221.jpg?width=952&height=592

Practice matches are just around the corner for the Western Bulldogs, with match simulation sessions at VU Whitten Oval ramping up.

A four-quarter training block across 80 minutes took place on a warm, windy morning at the Kennel on Friday.

It was an extension on the Bulldogs’ recent match simulation sessions.

An ‘unofficial’ practice match against another Victorian-based AFL club awaits over the coming month, before the AAMI Community Series match on March 8 against Melbourne at Marvel Stadium.

Star midfielder Josh Dunkley said things were progressing nicely at this stage of the pre-season.

https://resources.westernbulldogs.com.au/photo-resources/2021/02/06/7cbebe50-5abd-4dd9-b7e0-5a14cbde1430/070221_MatchSIm2.jpg?width=1064&height=600

“It was a good hit-out. We spent some time trying to build chemistry in teams and it was another step in the right direction,” he told westernbulldogs.com.au.

“The boys have been training really well since day one of pre-season. It’s been a positive start.”

Aaron Naughton was at his high-flying best, taking some big marks and converting. He was supported strongly by fellow forward Josh Bruce, who also spent time in the ruck.

Dunkley found plenty of the footy, as did the usual midfield suspects. Tom Liberatore was among them – he also hit the scoreboard on multiple occasions, as did Lin Jong.

Emerging midfielder-forwards Rhylee West and Ben Cavarra also showed some promising signs.

https://resources.westernbulldogs.com.au/photo-resources/2021/02/06/62cc15b1-a0d9-45f7-a9bc-64a6c2021a10/HERO_070221MatchSim1.jpg?width=1064&height=600

It’s been a different pre-season for the Bulldogs – and all clubs – with most returning to full training in the new year, as opposed to December.

But Dunkley praised the group for coming back in great physical condition, which has allowed them to get straight into match practice.

“The boys love playing footy, that’s what we’re here to do. It’s nice to be able to get those sessions in and slowly increase it as the weeks go on,” he said.

“There’s no rest, but it’s good. I think we’re going really well as a group and excited about what we can do this year.”

LINK (It’s been a different pre-season for the Bulldogs – and all clubs – with most returning to full training in the new year, as opposed to December.

But Dunkley praised the group for coming back in great physical condition, which has allowed them to get straight into match practice.

“The boys love playing footy, that’s what we’re here to do. It’s nice to be able to get those sessions in and slowly increase it as the weeks go on,” he said.

“There’s no rest, but it’s good. I think we’re going really well as a group and excited about what we can do this year.”)

[azabob]

That picture of Naughton reminds me of a 1980’s tennis player.

[bornadog]

That picture of Naughton reminds me of a 1980’s tennis player.

I thought the same thing.

I wonder what is happening here:


He was supported strongly by fellow forward Josh Bruce, who also spent time in the ruck.

[GVGjr]

That picture of Naughton reminds me of a 1980’s tennis player.

Have a look at Vitas Gerulaitis as a comparison although I can't recall him wearing a headband

[Hotdog60]

I wonder what is happening here:

Maybe that's why he shed the kilos to increase mobility. With all our tall forwards (who would think you would say that about the Dogs :) ) Him and English rotating out of a forward pocket.

[whythelongface]

Have a look at Vitas Gerulaitis as a comparison although I can't recall him wearing a headband

Either Vitas or Guillermo Vilas. Vilas had the headband and Gerulaitis had the blonde locks.

[GVGjr]

By the way, anyone who says English needs to develop his physique further and get stronger etc is underrating the progress he has made since he arrived at the clib. From a physical development perspective there is no more excuses for English, he has Martin to train against and learn from plus Sweet throwing his weight around and he will reach the 50 game milestone early in the season so this year we will know if he is genuinely good enough

[bornadog]

this year we will know if he is genuinely good enough

I think he is genuinely good enough around the ground, but what we need is his ruckwork to be good enough.

He is still only 23 and I wouldn't expect him to mature till at least another 2 years, but needs to show his tap work is on the improve.

[GVGjr]

I think he is genuinely good enough around the ground, but what we need is his ruckwork to be good enough.

He is still only 23 and I wouldn't expect him to mature till at least another 2 years, but needs to show his tap work is on the improve.

He's just about through his 5th preseason with us and will soon play his 50th senior game plus he is now physically ready to compete so I don't want to minimise expectations on him based on his age. At some point age should not be a consideration in assessing if he is up to it or at what level he is capable of achieving because most other players are judged vastly quicker.
Based on that I think it's more than fair to set a level of expectation on him this year especially after bringing in Martin to support him
I don't think waiting until he is 25 plus before he actually starts to have his performances fairly evaluated is a reasonable consideration

[The Bulldogs Bite]

He's just about through his 5th preseason with us and will soon play his 50th senior game plus he is now physically ready to compete so I don't want to minimise expectations on him based on his age. At some point age should not be a consideration in assessing if he is up to it or at what level he is capable of achieving because most other players are judged vastly quicker.
Based on that I think it's more than fair to set a level of expectation on him this year especially after bringing in Martin to support him
I don't think waiting until he is 25 plus before he actually starts to have his performances fairly evaluated is a reasonable consideration

Agreed with this. About time we take off the training wheels with Tim he needs to improve and take big steps forward this year.

Thought his final v St. Kilda was awful and particularly the passage of play where he cuddled one of their midfielders when he should have buried him into the ground.

Plenty of ability as we all know but I want to see two things - 1) Improved ruck craft and 2) Aggression. The reality is that he can play like Bontempelli around the ground but if he can't compete in the ruck and become more assertive/aggressive, he can't play as a number one ruck.

I still have hopes but it's the lack of aggression which really concerns me. You need that to compete with Grundy, Gawn, Witts, Naitanui, Banker is etc

[bornadog]

He's just about through his 5th preseason with us and will soon play his 50th senior game plus he is now physically ready to compete so I don't want to minimise expectations on him based on his age. At some point age should not be a consideration in assessing if he is up to it or at what level he is capable of achieving because most other players are judged vastly quicker.
Based on that I think it's more than fair to set a level of expectation on him this year especially after bringing in Martin to support him
I don't think waiting until he is 25 plus before he actually starts to have his performances fairly evaluated is a reasonable consideration

All I am saying is he won't be at his peak till at least 25 years old.

[GVGjr]

All I am saying is he won't be at his peak till at least 25 years old.
So we should only judge players when they've had a chance to hit their perceived peak? I want to remove any of these barriers for Tim because now needs to take a step forward.
At TBB points out it's now time to remove the training wheels and ramp up expectations for Tim. He's no longer the skinny and inexperienced youngster that arrived at the club.

[bornadog]

So we should only judge players when they've had a chance to hit their perceived peak? I want to remove any of these barriers for Tim because now needs to take a step forward.
At TBB points out it's now time to remove the training wheels and ramp up expectations for Tim. He's no longer the skinny and inexperienced youngster that arrived at the club.

You are putting words into my mouth. I said no such thing.

All I am saying is he will reach his peak at 25 plus because the big guys mature at an older age. Gawn didn't hit his peak till about 28. As I said, I am expecting him to improve this year and start getting more hitouts. The one thing I am not expecting is Tim being a superstar in the ruck.

[GVGjr]

You are putting words into my mouth. I said no such thing.

All I am saying is he will reach his peak at 25 plus because the big guys mature at an older age. Gawn didn't hit his peak till about 28. As I said, I am expecting him to improve this year and start getting more hitouts. The one thing I am not expecting is Tim being a superstar in the ruck.

It appears you're wanting to hose down having expectations being placed on him based on his age saying he needs more time rather than accepting that it might be time for him to take another step forward.
Eventually we need to evaluate the level that English will achieve as a ruckman within the competition and work out what level of support he might need. We need to determine if he is going to be a top tier ruckman, middle of the road or someone outside of the best 8 or so and by the end of the year we should have a clearer picture if he can keep progressing

He's done very well so far with minimal support over the last two years and I'm all for putting the spotlight on him this year.
He needs to improve the timing of his leaps in the centre square contests, become a stronger mark around the ground and to become a better help with the defenders when he drops back there

Regarding Gawn, he has just turned 29 yo.
I think you're underestimating his career if you only think he came good and hit his peak at 28. He's been playing very good footy for 4 but more likely 5 years and started making progress about the same time in his career that I'm hoping Tim can.

[Bulldog Joe]

While English should get better over the next 2 to 3 seasons, he really needs to stamp his authority on games now.

He is big enough, but he does need to bring aggression to his game.

[jeemak]

Here's English and Gawn at the age Tim is now:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=12&type=A&pid1=6345&pid2=3346&fid1=O&fid2=O

Here's English and Gawn with Gawn an additional year older:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=12&type=A&pid1=6345&pid2=3346&fid1=A&fopt1=23&fid2=A&fopt2=24

And a year older again:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=12&type=A&pid1=6345&pid2=3346&fid1=A&fopt1=23&fid2=A&fopt2=25

If Tim can show this type of progression then I'll be happy, though I'm not sure he's going to be reaching the level Gawn has with respect to hit outs.

[GVGjr]

While English should get better over the next 2 to 3 seasons, he really needs to stamp his authority on games now.

He is big enough, but he does need to bring aggression to his game.

Exactly. It doesn't mean he can't keep improving but it's time for him to take a step forward

[bornadog]

Here's English and Gawn at the age Tim is now:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=12&type=A&pid1=6345&pid2=3346&fid1=O&fid2=O

.

So at the same age, Tim is already ahead of where Gawn was. It is the next year he needs to take the next step.

I am not disagreeing at all with anyone's assessment, all I am saying is don't expect Tim to be a superstar in the next year as he is still developing and will get even better in the next couple of years.

I want him to be very competitive this year and not get thrashed in the hitouts.

[jeemak]

I think he's been improving each yeah and think he will improve again. It's not unreasonable to expect him to be more aggressive and hold his ground/ compete better in ruck contests, and nullify his opponents dominance in the latter. It's also not unreasonable with his developing size and strength to expect him to not just hold his own but to start winning or at least levelling the ledger against some of the lesser opponents more often.

If he can do that then he's tracking really well.

[Axe Man]

Apparently we will be playing a scratch match against Hawthorn - not sure when or where.

[KT31]

Apparently we will be playing a scratch match against Hawthorn - not sure when or where.

I have heard we are going to have one against the Pies as well, also told Treloar twisted his ankle at training but nothing major.

[Eastdog]

I have heard we are going to have one against the Pies as well, also told Treloar twisted his ankle at training but nothing major.

I hope not too serious with that injury.

[Axe Man]

I have heard we are going to have one against the Pies as well, also told Treloar twisted his ankle at training but nothing major.

Is it slightly unusual to have a scratch match against the team you are playing in round 1?

[Mofra]

Is it slightly unusual to have a scratch match against the team you are playing in round 1?
My initial thoughts too. Very strange

[Axe Man]

Hawks scratch match locked in (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/860379/hawks-scratch-match-locked-in)

The Western Bulldogs will have their first hit-out against another club, when they meet Hawthorn in a fortnight’s time.

The unofficial scratch match - one of the AFL’s match simulation practice matches - will see the Bulldogs and Hawks face off on February 24 from 10.30am.

It will be played behind closed doors in line with AFL protocols.

The match is a precursor to the AAMI Community Series - which will be open to fans.

On March 8, the Bulldogs will face Melbourne at Marvel Stadium, as they build up towards the season proper, which kicks off against Collingwood at the MCG on March 19.

[comrade]

Hawks scratch match locked in (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/860379/hawks-scratch-match-locked-in)

The Western Bulldogs will have their first hit-out against another club, when they meet Hawthorn in a fortnight’s time.

The unofficial scratch match - one of the AFL’s match simulation practice matches - will see the Bulldogs and Hawks face off on February 24 from 10.30am.

It will be played behind closed doors in line with AFL protocols.

The match is a precursor to the AAMI Community Series - which will be open to fans.

On March 8, the Bulldogs will face Melbourne at Marvel Stadium, as they build up towards the season proper, which kicks off against Collingwood at the MCG on March 19.

I look forward to getting the absolute bare minimum coverage from our media team, besides the obligatory interview with Will Hayes or Lin Jong :D

[soupman]

I look forward to getting the absolute bare minimum coverage from our media team, besides the obligatory interview with Will Hayes or Lin Jong :D

Don't forget the highlights package featuring close up shots of footies and grass with players moving in the blurry background spliced with 1-2 second bits of footage from the game that tells us absolutely nothing.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Wood injured his hamstring at training. Low grade strain so will be out about a month.

[Templeton31]

Wood injured his hamstring at training. Low grade strain so will be out about a month.

crap.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

bugger... how long those strings gonna hold together for Easton is the big question.

[Hotdog60]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/861697/match-sim-with-ash-hansen?videoId=861697&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1613110290001

[Smads57]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/861697/match-sim-with-ash-hansen?videoId=861697&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1613110290001

Studied this clip fairly carefully and couldn’t see Treloar in any of the plays - injured/rested?

[Happy Days]

He rolled an ankle I think.

[meenies]

Studied this clip fairly carefully and couldn’t see Treloar in any of the plays - injured/rested?

was that him at 1:11 roving Sweet in the Black?

[Smads57]

was that him at 1:11 roving Sweet in the Black?

I think you're right - thanks meenies....

[EasternWest]

was that him at 1:11 roving Sweet in the Black?

Amazing! Good to see you posting, meenies.

[kruder]

There is something about Bedendo...:p Athletic traits so good, lets hope he can find the footy, we might have ourselves a player.

[Grantysghost]

Treloar has missed last two intra clubs with a calf apparently. Hmmm.

[Dry Rot]

Boom recruit in doubt for R1 grudge match against old mates

Bulldogs taking 'conservative' approach with former Magpie Adam Treloar's calf

https://www.afl.com.au/news/549406/boom-recruit-in-doubt-for-r1-grudge-match-against-old-mates

[Axe Man]

Josh just found out BAD doesn't think he's fat anymore.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dy112V5v/bruce.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QHxFbyRw)

[jazzadogs]

Josh just found out BAD doesn't think he's fat anymore.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dy112V5v/bruce.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QHxFbyRw)

The muscle definition in his legs is the most noticeable change for me. I'm really keen to see what he can offer assuming that he can actually run and jump now.

[bornadog]

Josh just found out BAD doesn't think he's fat anymore.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dy112V5v/bruce.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QHxFbyRw)

Looks fantastic - go Brucey

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euzc7FdVoAE-WYT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Rocket Science]

Could we just pause for a sec to gaze upon the majesty that is Bailey Williams' ball drop?

https://i.ibb.co/2tss6Rg/Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-9-35-13-pm.png (https://ibb.co/pzRRPNJ)

You just know that thing's going somewhere good.

[bornadog]

Could we just pause for a sec to gaze upon the majesty that is Bailey Williams' ball drop?

https://i.ibb.co/2tss6Rg/Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-9-35-13-pm.png (https://ibb.co/pzRRPNJ)

You just know that thing's going somewhere good.

Did you see him having a shot at goal from outside the boundary line pocket?

see here (https://twitter.com/westernbulldogs/status/1363711242750152705)

[hujsh]

Did you see him having a shot at goal from outside the boundary line pocket?

see here (https://twitter.com/westernbulldogs/status/1363711242750152705)


Very nice. Can he nail his shots on the run instead though?

[Mofra]

Very nice. Can he nail his shots on the run instead though?
Pretty sure his banana on the run from 45m was one of the top 5 goals of the year on our highlights package last year.

Our set shots are a concern more than goals on the run (Bont especially)

[Grantysghost]

Could we just pause for a sec to gaze upon the majesty that is Bailey Williams' ball drop?

https://i.ibb.co/2tss6Rg/Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-9-35-13-pm.png (https://ibb.co/pzRRPNJ)

You just know that thing's going somewhere good.

Absolutely text book.

[comrade]

Is that a rare sighting of first round draftee Cody Weightman in the background? I thought we might have left him behind in QLD by mistake.

[hujsh]

Pretty sure his banana on the run from 45m was one of the top 5 goals of the year on our highlights package last year.

Our set shots are a concern more than goals on the run (Bont especially)

He's 10.19 for his career and most of them would be shots on the run he's capable of making. Would be a massive weapon if he nailed more of those chances.

I won't argue that general set shot conversion is a higher team wide priority

[Happy Days]

Is that a rare sighting of first round draftee Cody Weightman in the background? I thought we might have left him behind in QLD by mistake.

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.

[Axe Man]

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.

If you were any more premature you would require a nasal spray from Ugly Dave Gray.

[Bulldog4life]

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.

Much too early to tell yet.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.

Difficult to judge on the basis of a broken year. Hard for a pro let alone a first year kid.

This year should give us a better gauge.

[Mofra]

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.
He plays like a medium forward in a small forward's body. I'm not sure we need that type in an era of low interchanges meaning our mids rest forward - we have perhaps one spot for a medium "general" forward and that's Wally. Richards / VDM can play the high forward/wing rotation role and that's without considering McLean returning. Or a speccie pick like Bedendo coming good.

I'm not writing him off but I'm certainly not picking up the hammer to build a bandwagon either. Not much expectation.

[The Underdog]

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.

I’m struggling to see it. I hope he gets there, but aside from being “bubbly” I don’t see anything that gets him into the 22.

[kruder]

I know its premature and unfair but man am I all the way out on Weightman, and get the vibe that I'm not alone.

Your not alone, surprised he was a first rounder he doesn't look to have an elite AFL trait? Marking above his head for his size maybe?

Im hoping we are seriously wrong.

[Dry Rot]

So does Cavarra have more tools than Weightman?

[josie]

I thought both Cav and Weightman were good in practice match vs box hill. Cav was very good and Weightman good early. Too early to call on Weightman and I’m a Cav fan.

[jeemak]

Weightman looked in the top class at the level he played today. Some of his stuff on the ground was pretty good, his kicking was where it needed to be but his overhead ability was excellent.

I get he might not be the ground level player we thought we wanted from his draft, but if he can be competent in that area and be a marking threat which he clearly is then as a natural forward he has something to offer.

I'm actually excited about him, we have very few natural forwards but he seems to be one.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Weightman looked in the top class at the level he played today. Some of his stuff on the ground was pretty good, his kicking was where it needed to be but his overhead ability was excellent.

I get he might not be the ground level player we thought we wanted from his draft, but if he can be competent in that area and be a marking threat which he clearly is then as a natural forward he has something to offer.

I'm actually excited about him, we have very few natural forwards but he seems to be one.

From the glimpses I saw, he looked better than last year.

I think Weightman is a victim of our recruiting; he isn't the fast, small, zippy forward that many of us wanted but just because he doesn't fit that criteria, it doesn't mean he can't still be an effective forward in his own right with time.

[comrade]

Can someone make a case that we’re going to improve enough to actually contend this year, based on what we saw yesterday? I like the Martin addition but I’m not sure we’ve addressed our major deficiencies in any meaningful way.

[Happy Days]

Can someone make a case that we’re going to improve enough to actually contend this year, based on what we saw yesterday? I like the Martin addition but I’m not sure we’ve addressed our major deficiencies in any meaningful way.

It was admittedly not the best performance, but its not a complete disaster either. Given our major off season recruit didn’t play, all I was really looking to take from yesterday’s game was how the ruck tandem worked, and whether Dunkley would continue to bother trying. Both were pretty reasonable ticks. Guys over using handball, not really chasing or going at half rat power isn’t bothering me at this point and to be honest I was pretty shocked at both the strength of the two sides and how long all the players stayed out there for.

Sure if we had come out and belted them then it would probably be more comfortable, but this stuff is really more about trial and error with the ball in hand than it is about manic intensity. Do any of us *really* have concerns over Bont’s disposal or Bailey Smith’s trajectory?

[Happy Days]

Also I would argue that trotting English out every week to have his ribs caved in was our absolute number one deficiency last year, so to see drastic improvement there was fantastic.

[bornadog]

It was admittedly not the best performance, but its not a complete disaster either. Given our major off season recruit didn’t play, all I was really looking to take from yesterday’s game was how the ruck tandem worked, and whether Dunkley would continue to bother trying. Both were pretty reasonable ticks. Guys over using handball, not really chasing or going at half rat power isn’t bothering me at this point and to be honest I was pretty shocked at both the strength of the two sides and how long all the players stayed out there for.

Sure if we had come out and belted them then it would probably be more comfortable, but this stuff is really more about trial and error with the ball in hand than it is about manic intensity. Do any of us *really* have concerns over Bont’s disposal or Bailey Smith’s trajectory?

We also missed Macrae yesterday who is a ball magnet.

Bont is an elite kicker and yesterday was an aberration and as for Smith, he will be a star.

[Mantis]

Can someone make a case that we’re going to improve enough to actually contend this year, based on what we saw yesterday? I like the Martin addition but I’m not sure we’ve addressed our major deficiencies in any meaningful way.

Adding Treloar & Macrae back into the midfield can't be understated, they each regularly get 25+ touches and will get the ball going our way more them not. We bat very deep in the midfield and we will overwhelm lots of teams with our depth in this zone.

Naughton is a star too.. his 2020 season was a shambles with the interrupted pre-season and than a 6-8 week lay-off (when he was just about to get going), but he still provided an aerial threat... all reports are he's flying and I'm excited by what he will bring both in the air and at ground level.

Like you I'm still concerned with the issues that have been a stable over the past 2-3 years.. our ability to defend is poor and we don't use the ball well enough going forward to capitalize on general play dominance.. I guess we just have to hope it clicks as it did in the finals run in 2016 as it seems it won't be changed with game style adjustments.

[comrade]

Sure if we had come out and belted them then it would probably be more comfortable, but this stuff is really more about trial and error with the ball in hand than it is about manic intensity. Do any of us *really* have concerns over Bont’s disposal or Bailey Smith’s trajectory?

No, those 2 should be fine. It's everywhere besides the midfield that concerns me and nothing from yesterday addressed that.

[Happy Days]

No, those 2 should be fine. It's everywhere besides the midfield that concerns me and nothing from yesterday addressed that.

Backline partial agree. Gardner is still a worry and Keath got lost with the ball in the air a couple of times yesterday (which given how he plays is a bit of a big yikes). But most of the forwards were pretty good across both games?

[comrade]

Backline partial agree. Gardner is still a worry and Keath got lost with the ball in the air a couple of times yesterday (which given how he plays is a bit of a big yikes). But most of the forwards were pretty good across both games?

Individually they were fine, but I'm looking for signs of a cohesive system that will stand up against the best sides. Obviously hard to judge without Naughton there, but I just don't think we're strong enough down there with Wallis, Dale, West and Vandermeer as our medium/smalls.

[Grantysghost]

Reading Steven King's comments after the game yesterday he made it pretty clear Martin will be first ruck with English starting forward. Went on to say that Stef will have to "learn how to play forward in our system".

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Individually they were fine, but I'm looking for signs of a cohesive system that will stand up against the best sides. Obviously hard to judge without Naughton there, but I just don't think we're strong enough down there with Wallis, Dale, West and Vandermeer as our medium/smalls.


Whilst the things you're concerned about are the things I really want to see change, I'm, just not convinced we were ever going to be able to test that in the first practice game (not even a pre-season level match). If this is still showing rnd 1, then sound the alarms.
I'm happy we didn't incur any significant injury, and the boys got a run under their belt.
If anything a praccy game loss, really reinforces the work they still need to do and hopefully that augurs well for a team that doesn't just think it's going to all click come round 1.

[Mantis]

Individually they were fine, but I'm looking for signs of a cohesive system that will stand up against the best sides. Obviously hard to judge without Naughton there, but I just don't think we're strong enough down there with Wallis, Dale, West and Vandermeer as our medium/smalls.

How many of these guys will even play?

I'm thinking 1 maybe 2.

[comrade]

How many of these guys will even play?

I'm thinking 1 maybe 2.

I think Wallis and Vandermeer are definites, West a good chance if he follows up over the next few weeks.

[The Adelaide Connection]

One question I have, is what were the rotation numbers for each team? Not sure if it was mentioned in the broadcast or listed anywhere.

Traditionally Bevo has been a 'practise how we play' kinda guy, sticking to the prescribed interchanges despite our opponents often throwing restrictions out the window.

I seem to remember we have been run over late in quarters and in the last quarter in preseason games where this has been a thing.

[comrade]

One question I have, is what were the rotation numbers for each team? Not sure if it was mentioned in the broadcast or listed anywhere.

Traditionally Bevo has been a 'practise how we play' kinda guy, sticking to the prescribed interchanges despite our opponents often throwing restrictions out the window.

I seem to remember we have been run over late in quarters and in the last quarter in preseason games where this has been a thing.

I thought I heard that the Hawks had 6 on the bench to our 5, not sure of rotation numbers.

[Mofra]

Reading Steven King's comments after the game yesterday he made it pretty clear Martin will be first ruck with English starting forward. Went on to say that Stef will have to "learn how to play forward in our system".
I have very little faith that Stef Martin will be a threat when resting forward for us.
I have an enormous amount of faith that English is a real threat forward of the ball.

[Mofra]

I thought I heard that the Hawks had 6 on the bench to our 5, not sure of rotation numbers.
They did but I think Granger-Barrass only played a half for the Hawks.

[Mantis]

I think Wallis and Vandermeer are definites, West a good chance if he follows up over the next few weeks.

It's sure going to be interesting with how we fit all the mids into the team and try and keep some ''pure'' small/ mid forwards in there too.


I have very little faith that Stef Martin will be a threat when resting forward for us.
I have an enormous amount of faith that English is a real threat forward of the ball.

Do you have enormous faith that our forward-line will function with English up forward with Bruce & Naughton down there too?

[The Underdog]

It's sure going to be interesting with how we fit all the mids into the team and try and keep some ''pure'' small/ mid forwards in there too.



Do you have enormous faith that our forward-line will function with English up forward with Bruce & Naughton down there too?

To be fair though, if Naughton takes Dale’s spot, he’s better in the air, better at ground level and quicker with defensive pressure. It’s not like he’s a liability when the ball hits the deck. And really, could our forward line function less well? Not saying it’s a sure thing, but it’s worth a shot.

[comrade]

Wallis Bruce West
English Naughton Vandermeer

That's how I think we'll line up in round 1.

[Mantis]

To be fair though, if Naughton takes Dale’s spot, he’s better in the air, better at ground level and quicker with defensive pressure. It’s not like he’s a liability when the ball hits the deck. And really, could our forward line function less well? Not saying it’s a sure thing, but it’s worth a shot.

We're lucky that Naughts is our best air & ground player in the front half as he will help cover off the deficiencies of others.


Wallis Bruce West
English Naughton Vandermeer

That's how I think we'll line up in round 1.

That means Dunkley & B.Smith start on the bench? Maybe another pure mid too depending on who plays on the ''other'' wing? (Hunter on one)

I can't see how we play all of West, Wallis & VD given how many mids we need to fit in.

[comrade]

We're lucky that Naughts is our best air & ground player in the front half as he will help cover off the deficiencies of others.



That means Dunkley & B.Smith start on the bench? Maybe another pure mid too depending on who plays on the ''other'' wing? (Hunter on one)

I can't see how we play all of West, Wallis & VD given how many mids we need to fit in.

I think it'll be something like this:

Wallis Bruce West
English Naughton Vandermeer
Hunter Dunkley Macrae
Richards Gardner Daniel
Crozier Keath Williams

Martin Bont Treloar

JJ Baz Libba Duryea

[Bulldog4life]

I think it'll be something like this:

Wallis Bruce West
English Naughton Vandermeer
Hunter Dunkley Macrae
Richards Gardner Daniel
Crozier Keath Williams

Martin Bont Treloar

JJ Baz Libba Duryea

Interesting to hear on the broadcast that JJ has been training over summer further up the ground too. Not 100% sure if it was with mids or forwards. Did someone else hear it?

[The Underdog]

Interesting to hear on the broadcast that JJ has been training over summer further up the ground too. Not 100% sure if it was with mids or forwards. Did someone else hear it?

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s on the wing.

[Axe Man]

Interesting to hear on the broadcast that JJ has been training over summer further up the ground too. Not 100% sure if it was with mids or forwards. Did someone else hear it?

From JJ a couple of weeks ago:


“I’ll most likely predominantly play half-back, but I’ve told ‘Bevo’ that I’m just happy to play wherever the team needs me,” he told Dwayne Russell on SEN 1116.

“If the team is lacking speed up forward or needs a bit of speed on the wing, I’m happy to play there, but I’ll (mostly) play half-back with Caleb Daniel, Bailey Williams and Hayden Crozier.

[Happy Days]

Well North just got done by the Saints by 15 goals in their scratch match so it could be worse.

[Mofra]

Do you have enormous faith that our forward-line will function with English up forward with Bruce & Naughton down there too?
Yes. Naughton is quick, seriously quick and at times last year and in 2019 was our best forward at applying defensive pressure.
Straight swap for Dale makes us better ahead of the ball.
English and Bruce seemed to stay our of each other's way pretty well so it can be taught.

[soupman]

Individually they were fine, but I'm looking for signs of a cohesive system that will stand up against the best sides.

This is my biggest concern coming out of yesterday (and on reflection has been a concern for some time).

Our "system" is chuck a bunch of theoretically good players into the same side and tell them to handball a lot. Nothing about the way we play shows me we are better than the sum of all parts (and often we are worse).

For the forward line, its just a collection of mediocre forwards trying to do their thing. Except Naughton and Bruce do the same thing. All of our medium sized medium paced guys do the same thing. Wallis does his own thing, but I'm not sure he can afford to do that when we try to play three talls up there, especially when two of them are Bruce and Martin trying to play as deep big targets.

Our midfield is stacked for talent, but they don't compliment each other. There are no grunts, and nobody sacrifices their own game for the betterment of others (or if they do they then ask for a trade to Essendon so they don't have to anymore).

Our backing is a shambles, we have about 3 intercept defenders, 1 third tall, and the rest are all rebounders. There is no one we can trust to just do their job and allow the others to do theirs, they are all trying to be everything.

Obviously there are exceptions to this and I assume this is not the plan, but it is exactly how we have played for years. Bizarrely when we were good (5 years ago now) we had a system in defence and midfield especially where by working as a group those areas were good and made guys like Biggs, Roberts, Hamling, McLean and many others look good because they worked well in the system.