WB Game Day V Collingwood R1 2021

[Eastdog]

Margin:
Our first goal:
Our best on ground:

[Eastdog]

Our opening match for the 2021 season next Friday! Footy is nearly here. Go Dogs!!

[bornadog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52FGFcIRI4&ab_channel=WesternBulldogs

[Vred]

Margin: 23
Our first goal: Bruce
Our best on ground:Treloar

[EasternWest]

Our first goal: Bruce
Our best on ground:Treloar

Ambitious. I like it.

[ratsmac]

I think I might keep my powder dry on this one until I see what surprises Bevo will pull at the selection table

[Eastdog]

Margin: 23
Our first goal: Bruce
Our best on ground:Treloar

I'll assume you mean 23 in our favour Vred :)

[Vred]

I'll assume you mean 23 in our favour Vred :)


Yes, yes, 23 for us.. Sorry, shouldn't forum + drink lol

[boydogs]

WB by 1
First goal VDM
BOG Macrae

[Go_Dogs]

Dogs by 37
First goal Bruce
BOG Hunter

[CarnTheScray]

Dogs by 40
First goal: Bont
BOG: Martin. Will be key in holding off Grundy.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I am sitting on flights and was supposed to be coming over with the whole crew for a long weekend. The fear of 14 days quarantining on return has freaked my wife out too much, so going to have to pull the pin. She has said I could come alone, but imagine if I got quarantined in the city for 14 days when I got back? The locks might be changed.

Dogs by 17
First Goal- Mitch Wallis
BOG Bont

[merantau]

We win by 25 points. BOG Bont. First goal Mitch

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Dogs by 17.
BOG Bont
First Goal English

[Hotdog60]

Dogs by 35
BOG Treloar as he tears them a new one.
1st goal Astro

[SquirrelGrip]

Dogs by 47
BOG Caleb
First goal Lachie McNeill

[Dry Rot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52FGFcIRI4&ab_channel=WesternBulldogs

Anyone else notice from that video Jong is injured yet again?

He caught on fire.

[comrade]

2 tickets secured in the MCC Reserve. Going to toff it up for the night.

[bornadog]

2 tickets secured in the MCC Reserve. Going to toff it up for the night.

Well done.

Hoping to get tickets for AFL reserve tomorrow.

[Happy Days]

Yeah I got MCC seats too. Looking forward to a better class of slur coming from the Filth supporters.

[KT31]

I think I might keep my powder dry on this one until I see what surprises Bevo will pull at the selection table

I’m hearing Scott will definitely be making his debut.

[bornadog]

Ticket secured.

Don't understand how level 2 and 2A can be sold out in seconds?

[ratsmac]

Ticket secured.

Don't understand how level 2 and 2A can be sold out in seconds?

Got mine too. I just selected best available and got level 1. I wasn't taking any chances fluffing around choosing where to sit. Going with a couple of pies supporters and one wants us to win for Treloar. Funny enough I do to

[ratsmac]

I’m hearing Scott will definitely be making his debut.

Really?? Here we go again on the Bevo selection lottery

[bornadog]

Got mine too. I just selected best available and got level 1. I wasn't taking any chances fluffing around choosing where to sit. Going with a couple of pies supporters and one wants us to win for Treloar. Funny enough I do to

I wasn't fluffing around, I just saw the list of options and the ones down the page showed sold out.

I decided front of level 4.

[Smads57]

Ticket secured.

Don't understand how level 2 and 2A can be sold out in seconds?
Hi BAD, I am AFL Club Support but didn’t log in until 10.30. Also tried specifically for Level 2 or 2A (single seat) and website came back and said none available although they were options I could choose(?), so just requested Best Available and got a seat in Level 2A after all. It’s a bit of a lottery I suspect.

[bornadog]

Hi BAD, I am AFL Club Support but didn’t log in until 10.30. Also tried specifically for Level 2 or 2A (single seat) and website came back and said none available although they were options I could choose(?), so just requested Best Available and got a seat in Level 2A after all. It’s a bit of a lottery I suspect.

I really hate the Ticketek site

[chef]

I’m hearing Scott will definitely be making his debut.

Cool. Good luck to the fella.

[Eastdog]

MCC ticket redeemed on Level 4. Just happy to be going to the footy again. Go Dogs!! Are you up on Level 4 of the MCC as well comrade and Happy Days?

[Eastdog]

Margin: Dogs by 28 points

First goal: Libba

Best on ground: The Bont

[kruder]

I’m hearing Scott will definitely be making his debut.

McNeil to follow? Its classic Bevo.

I'm praying we dont spend the first 12 weeks trying to work out if we are Arthur or Martha again. I'm liking Bevo's stance that we need to take the next step, the little clip at Dunks and JJ dropped but we don't need to go with the youngest team again we need to get the balance right.

[comrade]

MCC ticket redeemed on Level 4. Just happy to be going to the footy again. Go Dogs!! Are you up on Level 4 of the MCC as well comrade and Happy Days?

I'm on level 2, in front of the Long Room. First time at the footy in the MCC Reserve.

[FrediKanoute]

Margin: Pies by 25 (I have serious concerns about BEvo's thinking and selection)

First goal: Dale

BOG: Pendlebury

[HOSE B ROMERO]

I had a dream last night that the dogs were 5 points down with seconds to go. We were streaming forward where Treloar marks 70 metres out. He then runs around the man on the mark, Nathan Buckley, and goals from 50.

Dogs by a point.

BOG: Dunkley who kicks 4 goals and pleads with Beveridge afterwards that he wants more time in the forward line.

[angelopetraglia]

Biggest break in between attending games since I was a young boy. Can’t wait until Friday night. So good to have footy back and can’t wait for the game day ritual and going to the MCG with the family. Life’s good :)

[Happy Days]

MCC ticket redeemed on Level 4. Just happy to be going to the footy again. Go Dogs!! Are you up on Level 4 of the MCC as well comrade and Happy Days?

I'm on Level 1 I think.

[The Pie Man]

Level 1 goal GSS for the boy & I

[bornadog]

Biggest break in between attending games since I was a young boy. Can’t wait until Friday night. So good to have footy back and can’t wait for the game day ritual and going to the MCG with the family. Life’s good :)

Haven't been to a game since Sept 7th elimination final against Plastics, so that is 18 months. I don't normally go to practise matches.

[1eyedog]

Collingwood by 25 points. We'll be the better team but won't take our chances, they will.
BOG Macrae
FG Wallis

[bornadog]

Dogs by 40 points
BOG: Bont
First Goal: Bruce

[Grantysghost]

Dogs by 15
First goal McNeil
BOG Macrae.

[divvydan]

Treloar confirmed making his WB debut.

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/880997/treloar-to-face-pies

[soupman]

Never mind

[comrade]

Treloar confirmed making his WB debut.

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/880997/treloar-to-face-pies

Bevo mentions 'debutants' so I expect McNeil and/or Scott to also get a gig.

[The Pie Man]

Martin & Scott confirmed in

[bornadog]

Martin & Scott confirmed in

Where was that confirmed?

Edit, just saw the vid

[The Pie Man]

Where was that confirmed?

Club Twitter account just now (Lippa & Dale made quick speeches)

[bornadog]

Club Twitter account just now (Lippa & Dale made quick speeches)

Thanks saw that now.

[comrade]

McNeil and Scott both considered best 22 by Bevo. Interesting.

[Happy Days]

That probably means no JJ right?

Very strange.

[comrade]

Bailey Dale making one of the announcements means he's probably a lock.

If you'd told me at the start of the pre-season Dale, McNeil & Scott would all be playing round 1, I would have laughed.

[soupman]

Bailey Dale making one of the announcements means he's probably a lock.

If you'd told me at the start of the pre-season Dale, McNeil & Scott would all be playing round 1, I would have laughed.

And with virtually no injury list to speak of either.

[bornadog]

Based on the announcements and Crozier injured, I would say only one change from last weeks game, ie Treloar in, plus a sub.

[Mantis]

And with virtually no injury list to speak of either.

No Wood & Crozier in defence probably gives the likes of Dale & Scott more opportunities though.

[comrade]

I'm expecting JJ to miss given the debutants already named and the pre-season selections. I hope this serves as a massive wake up call. More focus on footy, less on fashion and smoothies.

[bornadog]

I'm expecting JJ to miss given the debutants already named and the pre-season selections. I hope this serves as a massive wake up call. More focus on footy, less on fashion and smoothies.

I think you maybe right about Duryea coming in as a sub

[EasternWest]

That probably means no JJ right?

Very strange.

Good.

[Happy Days]

Good.

Is it though? JJ cops a lot of heat but I’m struggling to think of one thing that Scott can do even half as good.

[EasternWest]

Is it though? JJ cops a lot of heat but I’m struggling to think of one thing that Scott can do even half as good.

It is.

I don't know enough about Scott one way or the other, but I've seen enough of Johannisen.

I'm not a fan of half backs that like doing flashy stand out things but are reluctant to do anything else.

[Grantysghost]

Have to say those four debutantes give us a nice freshen up going into rd 1. I was very impressed with Scott from ground level at the AAMI game.
Excited to see them all play Friday night on the big stage.

[comrade]

Ahhh, hand-wringing over team selections. Footy is back.

[Axe Man]

Is it though? JJ cops a lot of heat but I’m struggling to think of one thing that Scott can do even half as good.

Kick straight at goal?

From the Melbourne game it seemed like Dale was playing JJs role more so than Scott anyway.

It certainly is surprising but I can only assume JJ is falling short of expectations in some areas and is being challenged to improve. He will be back.

[soupman]

I was very impressed with Scott from ground level at the AAMI game.
I've been dead against his recruitment (and still am from a list management perspective) but was pretty pleased with what we saw in the praccy game of him as a player. Not sure about him as an accountable defender though.

[comrade]

At least we know Martin is a certainty and Grundy is unlikely to completely destroy us from the first minute of the game. Will be a nice change from the previous 4 outings.

[The Pie Man]

Have to say those four debutantes give us a nice freshen up going into rd 1. I was very impressed with Scott from ground level at the AAMI game.
Excited to see them all play Friday night on the big stage.

Thought Scott was very good vs Melbourne, clean and a great kick.

Though McNeil didn’t have it a lot, what he did was exciting...thought he’d miss though, I’m wondering if Vandemeer is right to go?

[Axe Man]

Thought Scott was very good vs Melbourne, clean and a great kick.

Though McNeil didn’t have it a lot, what he did was exciting...thought he’d miss though, I’m wondering if Vandemeer is right to go?

If Vandermeer isn't fit that means someone else needs to come into the nominal 22 from the Melbourne game. Scott & McNeil were already in there. Bedendo and Khamis I am counting as outside the 22. Treloar in and Crozier out is the only certainty. At the moment West is in as well.

[The Pie Man]

If Vandermeer isn't fit that means someone else needs to come into the nominal 22 from the Melbourne game. Scott & McNeil were already in there. Bedendo and Khamis I am counting as outside the 22. Treloar in and Crozier out is the only certainty. At the moment West is in as well.

Given the abundance of HB flankers on our list, we’re going in a bit short of them Friday night.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

McNeil surprises me. A lot.

I like what I see, but I'm not sure he's best 22 with virtually a full squad to pick from.

Bevo loves a smokey.

[Grantysghost]

McNeil surprises me. A lot.

I like what I see, but I'm not sure he's best 22 with virtually a full squad to pick from.

Bevo loves a smokey.

Not bad is it from driving forklifts in December to playing on the biggest stage in March.
He's a nice player got a bit of Shane Edwards about him.

[Eastdog]

Haven't been to a game since Sept 7th elimination final against Plastics, so that is 18 months. I don't normally go to practise matches.

Yes that was the last proper match I went to as well. Went to the practice game at Marvel last week.

[bornadog]

At least we know Martin is a certainty and Grundy is unlikely to completely destroy us from the first minute of the game. Will be a nice change from the previous 4 outings.

Grundy 3 Brownlow votes in each of the last 3 games.

[comrade]

My last game was in Ballarat vs Adelaide. That seems a looooong time ago.

[1eyedog]

Kick straight at goal?

From the Melbourne game it seemed like Dale was playing JJs role more so than Scott anyway.

It certainly is surprising but I can only assume JJ is falling short of expectations in some areas and is being challenged to improve. He will be back.

JJ can't hit the side of a barn let's be honest. He has next to zero defensive ability and is subject to panicking, but he runs fast.

[Axe Man]

My last game was in Ballarat vs Adelaide. That seems a looooong time ago.

At least it was more enjoyable than the above mentioned final.

We didn't play many games in Melbourne in the back end of 2019 so I think my last proper game was round 19 v Freo in late July.

[DOG GOD]

Coll by 37

First goal - Wallis
Bog - macrae

I’m expecting Grundy to have a night out (even with Martin in), and DeGoey ( to kick 5+ against that “defence” of ours)

[kruder]

I agree that Scott looked solid, but adding him to an already inexperienced defence has the alarm bells going for mine. Whos barking orders on defensive set up ?

Going to be interesting how many over the back goals we get Friday night. Im slowly getting to the view that Naughty needs to place defence.

[bornadog]

I agree that Scott looked solid, but adding him to an already inexperienced defence has the alarm bells going for mine. Whos barking orders on defensive set up ?

Going to be interesting how many over the back goals we get Friday night. Im slowly getting to the view that Naughty needs to place defence.

Keath's nickname is the General

[soupman]

Keath's nickname is the General

Not sure that's for his ability to manage our team defence though.

Typically Wood and Crozier have seemed to be best in this role, and Duryea seems decent at it as well looking in from the outside. None of the guys currently in the setup seem like natural leaders in this regard.

[bornadog]

Not sure that's for his ability to manage our team defence though.

Typically Wood and Crozier have seemed to be best in this role, and Duryea seems decent at it as well looking in from the outside. None of the guys currently in the setup seem like natural leaders in this regard.

Players gave him that nickname for being General of the backline.

[soupman]

Players gave him that nickname for being General of the backline.

That seems pretty conclusive then.

Interesting as he doesn't strike me as being the type. He seems to be more of an assertively quiet guy who stands in the corner and does his job.

[bornadog]

That seems pretty conclusive then.

Interesting as he doesn't strike me as being the type. He seems to be more of an assertively quiet guy who stands in the corner and does his job.

Easternwest called him the angry PE teacher

[FrediKanoute]

JJ can't hit the side of a barn let's be honest. He has next to zero defensive ability and is subject to panicking, but he runs fast.

So why did we not offload him at the end of last season? Surely we should have done so when his currency was high.

[Hotdog60]

So why did we not offload him at the end of last season? Surely we should have done so when his currency was high.

I think JJ is still a valuable player but the run he is noted for has been missing for a while now. He has never been all that good defensively not many of his tackles stick but his major asset is to clear the zone and that is not happening. It maybe due to him being sat on by the opposition and may be he hasn't worked out how to break free or the work rate isn't there to burn off his opponent.

JJ is another one of those 2016 players that hasn't got back to that level.

[GVGjr]

Bevo loves his shiny toys.
He's pretty much got his wish list of something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue for round one

I wonder if Scott or O'Neill will the the 2021 version of Will Hayes?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Bevo loves his shiny toys.
He's pretty much got his wish list of something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue for round one

I wonder if Scott or O'Neill will the the 2021 version of Will Hayes?

What does it say about where a few guys on our list have moved behind the pecking order of McNeill and Scott, two newbies? in particular Richards, Hayes, JJ, Cavarra, Jong, Duryea, Roarke Smith.

[comrade]

What does it say about where a few guys on our list have moved behind the pecking order of McNeill and Scott, two newbies? in particular Richards, Hayes, JJ, Cavarra, Jong, Duryea, Roarke Smith.

I don't know, what does it say?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I don't know, what does it say?

I don't reckon it's good that's for sure. Not for a side with expectations for winning a final. Either Scott and McNeill have performed off the charts... or the others have not measured up...
From what I saw from Scott and McNeill, they were good-ish... but they didn't exactly look like they were ripping the door off the hinge to get selected.

[Mantis]

I don't reckon it's good that's for sure. Not for a side with expectations for winning a final. Either Scott and McNeill have performed off the charts... or the others have not measured up...
From what I saw from Scott and McNeill, they were good-ish... but they didn't exactly look like they were ripping the door off the hinge to get selected.

It's the Bevo way isn't it? He's always shown a desire to throw the speculative newbie in straight away rather than allow them to force their way in after strong performances against opposing teams.

#inbevowetrust #bevolotto

[GVGjr]

What does it say about where a few guys on our list have moved behind the pecking order of McNeill and Scott, two newbies? in particular Richards, Hayes, JJ, Cavarra, Jong, Duryea, Roarke Smith.

With Hayes we made the hard call then added him back into the squad

He may lose interest in some of his toys but he isn't prone to start sharing them

[Bulldog Joe]

With Hayes we made the hard call then added him back into the squad

He may lose interest in some of his toys but he isn't prone to start sharing them

Bevo shows classic hoarder tendencies.

We have a Will Hayes and a Roarke Smith sitting in the cupboard.

I can occasionally look in and recall a day where they did something I liked and it makes me feel good.

With my new Anthony Scott and Lachie McNeill toys, I think they can do something that I will also be able to remember fondly before I store them in the same cupboard.

[Bulldog4life]

McNeil to follow? Its classic Bevo.

I'm praying we dont spend the first 12 weeks trying to work out if we are Arthur or Martha again. I'm liking Bevo's stance that we need to take the next step, the little clip at Dunks and JJ dropped but we don't need to go with the youngest team again we need to get the balance right.

I think our list this year is the 3rd or 4th oldest. It as on AFL360. Don't remember exactly which one.

[Bulldog4life]

Bevo loves his shiny toys.
He's pretty much got his wish list of something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue for round one

I wonder if Scott or O'Neill will the the 2021 version of Will Hayes?

Early in the year Bevo tends to rely more on training form than anything else.

[comrade]

Early in the year Bevo tends to rely more on training form than anything else.

That hasn’t exactly worked well for the last 4 years.

[Axe Man]

I think our list this year is the 3rd or 4th oldest. It as on AFL360. Don't remember exactly which one.

We are 5th for average age at 24.7 and 9th for average games at 68.1.

Link (https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/874321/afl-the-age-experience-ladder)

[Before I Die]

Bevo loves his shiny toys.
He's pretty much got his wish list of something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue for round one

I wonder if Scott or O'Neill will the the 2021 version of Will Hayes?

Or possibly the next Picken, M. Boyd or Morris. Hard, gritty and determined. Isn’t this what a lot of Woof posters have been screaming out for?

[GVGjr]

Early in the year Bevo tends to rely more on training form than anything else.

Do we really think Scott and McNeil have out trained others on the list?
I'd say Bevo see's the new boys as having a skill set or two that better fits in with his planning.

[Before I Die]

Early in the year Bevo tends to rely more on training form than anything else.

Surely this has to be the right way to go. What else does he have? Selection based on reputation that is not being replicated on the track or in match sim could not possibly be a good thing.

[GVGjr]

We are 5th for average age at 24.7 and 9th for average games at 68.1.

Link (https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/874321/afl-the-age-experience-ladder)

Yep, no more excuses. If we want to play the more inexperienced players in our list then it's no longer a plausible excuse

[comrade]

Do we really think Scott and McNeil have out trained others on the list?
I'd say Bevo see's the new boys as having a skill set or two that better fits in with his planning.

Yeah, I seriously doubt the likes of Jong, Duryea, Smith and Hayes are holding anything back on the training track given where each of their careers currently stand.

[1eyedog]

So why did we not offload him at the end of last season? Surely we should have done so when his currency was high.

I can't see us ever forcing someone out while under contract. They'd have to be taking the piss pretty majorly.

[bornadog]

Do we really think Scott and McNeil have out trained others on the list?
I'd say Bevo see's the new boys as having a skill set or two that better fits in with his planning.

After the finals loss last year, Bevo promised there would be 6 to 7 faces in the team that the one that lost.

We know there are 4 at this stage

[GVGjr]

Yeah, I seriously doubt the likes of Jong, Duryea, Smith and Hayes are holding anything back on the training track given where each of their careers currently stand.

I was told early last year that Hayes and Greene came back in tremendous shape before the start of the year and were dominating at training so while I joke a bit about Bevo liking new toys I don't think it's an issue of some necessarily outworking others
I think we see a genuine skill set in both of the new boys and we are prepared to back them.
They've clearly done their work and have adapted to the professional sporting life quickly but the notion that they have really outworked others is something I'm not sure about.
Next year though might be a different story for them and it's all about them taking their chances on Friday night and that is exciting.

[Grantysghost]

I was told early last year that Hayes and Greene came back in tremendous shape before the start of the year and were dominating at training so while I joke a bit about Bevo liking new toys I don't think it's an issue of some necessarily outworking others
I think we see a genuine skill set in both of the new boys and we are prepared to back them.
They've clearly done their work and have adapted to the professional sporting life quickly but they notion that they have really outworked others is something I'm not sure about.
Next year though might be a different story for them and it's all about them taking their chances on Friday night and that is exciting.

Agree, it's more likely a case of working hard and taking your opportunities.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I was told early last year that Hayes and Greene came back in tremendous shape before the start of the year and were dominating at training so while I joke a bit about Bevo liking new toys I don't think it's an issue of some necessarily outworking others
I think we see a genuine skill set in both of the new boys and we are prepared to back them.
They've clearly done their work and have adapted to the professional sporting life quickly but the notion that they have really outworked others is something I'm not sure about.
Next year though might be a different story for them and it's all about them taking their chances on Friday night and that is exciting.

What are both of their skillsets that we see as important and different to those of who they have replaced?

[bornadog]

What are both of their skillsets that we see as important and different to those of who they have replaced?

Greene is gone and we have of course retained Hayes. Personally, I don't see Hayes making it.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Greene is gone and we have of course retained Hayes. Personally, I don't see Hayes making it.

Sorry I meant McNeil and Scott. What do we think they bring to the side that say Duryea, Jong, Hayes, JJ etc don’t?

[GVGjr]

What are both of their skillsets that we see as important and different to those of who they have replaced?

I'm speculating that Bevo sees the pace of O'Neil and the decision making and versatility with Scott as something he can work with
He will give them a decent go at it if we follow the Hayes experience.

I hope they give it a great go and really grasp their chances.

[bornadog]

Sorry I meant McNeil and Scott. What do we think they bring to the side that say Duryea, Jong, Hayes, JJ etc don’t?

Sorry, I misunderstood.

McNeil has alot of pace and is more a forward half player than the others. I don't know much about Scott, as it was hard to tell watching him on TV.

[Axe Man]

Sorry, I misunderstood.

McNeil has alot of pace and is more a forward half player than the others. I don't know much about Scott, as it was hard to tell watching him on TV.

McNeil arrived at the club as a midfielder, although he may well find himself playing more forward for us. Scott played forward and midfield for Footscray I believe, which is why the potential move back is surprising.

[comrade]

McNeil arrived at the club as a midfielder, although he may well find himself playing more forward for us. Scott played forward and midfield for Footscray I believe, which is why the potential move back is surprising.

I'm still holding out hope that Bevo played Scott on Breust vs Hawks as a learning experience so show him how a gun mid size forward goes about it.

[Mofra]

I can't see us ever forcing someone out while under contract. They'd have to be taking the piss pretty majorly.
Stringer, that ruck rookie who parted ways mid season?
I agree JJ is safe

[Bulldog4life]

That hasn’t exactly worked well for the last 4 years.

Agree.

[Bulldog4life]

Do we really think Scott and McNeil have out trained others on the list?
I'd say Bevo see's the new boys as having a skill set or two that better fits in with his planning.

Possibly. Who knows for sure.

[Axe Man]

WESTERN BULLDOGS

B: B.Williams 34 R.Gardner 43 C.Daniel 35
HB: T.Duryea 15 A.Keath 42 A.Scott 28
C: P.Lipinski 27 A.Treloar 1 L.Hunter 7
HF: B.Smith 6 A.Naughton 33 J.Dunkley 5
F: T.English 44 J.Bruce 17 M.Bontempelli 4
Foll: S.Martin 8 J.Macrae 11 T.Liberatore 21
I/C: B.Dale 31 L.McNeil 30 M.Wallis 3 L.Vandermeer 23

Emerg: J.Schache 13 Z.Cordy 12 R.West 14 J.Johannisen 39

COLLINGWOOD

B: B.Maynard 37 J.Roughead 23 J.Madgen 44
HB: J.Crisp 25 D.Moore 30 J.Howe 38
C: J.Noble 9 S.Pendlebury 10 T.Brown 6
HF: J.Elliott 5 B.Mihocek 41 W.Hoskin-Elliott 32
F: J.Daicos 7 M.Cox 46 J.Thomas 24
Foll: B.Grundy 4 T.Adams 13 J.De Goey 2
I/C: O.Henry 35 I.Quaynor 3 T.Ruscoe 21 B.Sier 36

Emerg: C.Brown 17 D.Cameron 14 L.Greenwood 19 N.Murphy 28

[comrade]

Riley West should have been a lock, imo. Very stiff.

Our forward line contains one actual forward.

[Axe Man]

Riley West should have been a lock, imo. Very stiff.

Our forward line contains one actual forward.

Someone needed to come out for another defender in Duryea, West was the unlucky one.

[GVGjr]

Solid team, if we can leave the likes of JJ out we have no excuses

Agree with Comrade that West is unlucky

[kruder]

Riley West should have been a lock, imo. Very stiff.

Our forward line contains one actual forward.

Yeah I would have played West ahead of McNeil we need to see what this kid can do.

I'm glad Duryea is in, he is definitely an organiser in defence we need some experience down there.

[Happy Days]

No JJ is a shocking oversight. I know its against the hive mind but he’s better than at least 8 of those other guys. Feels like we’re cutting our nose off with whatever point we’re trying to prove.

[josie]

A tad worried we have Vandermeer and Treloar with history of soft tissue injuries plus Duryea with his not great injury record with us all in 22 vs West who needs some senior games soon as I think he is our potential Libba successor. Positive is Vandermeer & Treloar both quick and Duryea adds a wise head to an inexperienced backline apart from Daniel.

Good to see Schache as emergency as reward for his good form in preseason. Would love to have seen Cavarra picked but good there is competition for spots.

Key to this match i reckon is how well our big blokes; Bruce, Naughts, English & Martin perform.

Go Dogs!!!

[Grantysghost]

That has to be the tallest named forward line ever.

[comrade]

No JJ is a shocking oversight. I know its against the hive mind but he’s better than at least 8 of those other guys. Feels like we’re cutting our nose off with whatever point we’re trying to prove.

JJ has taken the piss for a few years on great coin. He's in the top handful in terms of impact and skill on his day, but he was in terrible shape last year and deserves a rocket. Hopefully this sends a message that getting a game isn't a given, and while he's making 600k+ a year, footy should be his priority, rather than fashion shoots and cool hairstyles.

[Axe Man]

A tad worried we have Vandermeer and Treloar with history of soft tissue injuries plus Duryea with his not great injury record with us all in 22

Given there is an injury substitute available the risk is greatly mitigated.

Who will get the sub vest - JJ or West?

[comrade]

Given there is an injury substitute available the risk is greatly mitigated.

Who will get the sub vest - JJ or West?

I'd go with JJ. If he finds himself coming on in the second half, his speed and running power could be pretty handy.

[bornadog]

That has to be the tallest named forward line ever.

For once we stretch the opposition, but holding the ball in the forward line will be a challenge.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

JJ has taken the piss for a few years on great coin. He's in the top handful in terms of impact and skill on his day, but he was in terrible shape last year and deserves a rocket. Hopefully this sends a message that getting a game isn't a given, and while he's making 600k+ a year, footy should be his priority, rather than fashion shoots and cool hairstyles.

I dare say JJ was probably one of the players Dunkley took issue with re fitness standards.

[bornadog]

I dare say JJ was probably one of the players Dunkley took issue with re fitness standards.

That was actually BS put out by media, plus I can assure you JJ had no issues with fitness last year.

[FrediKanoute]

Scott and McNeil get their debut's

Zaine, Richards, JJ can't get into the team.

There is a bit of pace on the bench - will be interesting to see though whether this team is more than just talk.

[Eastdog]

Good luck to Anthony and Lachie on their debuts.

Looking forward to seeing Adam Treloar and Stefan Martin in action.

[GVGjr]

That was actually BS put out by media, plus I can assure you JJ had no issues with fitness last year.

Didn't you call him out for his weight?

[bornadog]

Didn't you call him out for his weight?

Nope - pretty sure that was Comrade.

[comrade]

Nope - pretty sure that was Comrade.

Yeah, that was me. He was definitely out of shape.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Yeah, that was me. He was definitely out of shape.

Looked a little softer to me too

[jeemak]

Good luck to Anthony and Lachie on their debuts.

Looking forward to seeing Adam Treloar and Stefan Martin in action.

Was there supposed to be a match committee thread this week?

[jeemak]

Didn't you call him out for his weight?

I think he was the only player he didn't!

[bornadog]

I think he was the only player he didn't!

Haha

[EasternWest]

Easternwest called him the angry PE teacher

Pissed off PE teacher actually.

[EasternWest]

No JJ is a shocking oversight. I know its against the hive mind but he’s better than at least 8 of those other guys. Feels like we’re cutting our nose off with whatever point we’re trying to prove.

TIL it's a hive mind if a majority disagrees with me.

[azabob]

Was there supposed to be a match committee thread this week?

You had one job...

[azabob]

Disappointed West isn’t playing. We need to find out if he can actually play.

I also find it odd we play JJ all of 2019 & 2020 and now we suddenly decide he isn’t best 22.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Surely Dale will be a late out for West, JJ has to be the sub. could you imagine him burning the track when the rest are tired with a point to prove. These man still on the mark rules are perfect for JJ.

[Jeanette54]

I note that both teams used their 23rd man tonight, neither for concussion. It will be interesting to see the injuries which warranted their usage, and whether the league judges the changes as fair applications of the rule.

[Grantysghost]

I note that both teams used their 23rd man tonight, neither for concussion. It will be interesting to see the injuries which warranted their usage, and whether the league judges the changes as fair applications of the rule.

Silvagni shoulder looked mild hard to tell.
Vlaustin a minor knee issue.

I'd say both probably would've played on if sub wasn't there.

[Hotdog60]

Silvagni shoulder looked mild hard to tell.
Vlaustin a minor knee issue.

I'd say both probably would've played on if sub wasn't there.

It looked like the type of injuries the player goes to the room get a jab and some strapping and get back out there.
The AFL may say that this is player health and safety in that they don't go back out to further aggravate the injury.

I wonder if it's in the rule to swap the sub. In that if you have used the sub on a injury and then you get a player concussed does the injured player come back on with the Doctor writing a quick please explain certificate.

[SquirrelGrip]

It looked like the type of injuries the player goes to the room get a jab and some strapping and get back out there.
The AFL may say that this is player health and safety in that they don't go back out to further aggravate the injury.

I wonder if it's in the rule to swap the sub. In that if you have used the sub on a injury and then you get a player concussed does the injured player come back on with the Doctor writing a quick please explain certificate.

This is where the sub rule is crazy. If there's only one sub, what's really the point, as if you get a second injury or concussion, then you are short. If health and safety was really the focus, then there'd be no limit on the number of injured players that could be replaced. If they are genuinely injured, then they should be off.

Of course the new rule as it currently stands means the "genuine" aspect can be manipulated way too easily.

[Axe Man]

Surely Dale will be a late out for West, JJ has to be the sub. could you imagine him burning the track when the rest are tired with a point to prove. These man still on the mark rules are perfect for JJ.

Can't see that happening. I am assuming Dale is in as a defender, a swap for West would leave us a defender short.

[Happy Days]

Anyone else wake up ready to run through a brick wall or just me?

[bornadog]

Anyone else wake up ready to run through a brick wall or just me?

Yes - finally I feel pumped by the footy - game day

[Mofra]

Can't see that happening. I am assuming Dale is in as a defender, a swap for West would leave us a defender short.
We have a number of players who can run off halfback though - Hunter can do it, Vandermeer can, and Treloar spent time at halfback in the VFL game.
If there is any position we can cover outside of the centre square it's halfback!

I think West is desperately unlucky. TBH I would have him in before JJ. In a pressure game every player needs to be able to defend.

[bornadog]

We have a number of players who can run off halfback though - Hunter can do it, Vandermeer can, and Treloar spent time at halfback in the VFL game.
If there is any position we can cover outside of the centre square it's halfback!

I think West is desperately unlucky. TBH I would have him in before JJ. In a pressure game every player needs to be able to defend.

West is in an unlucky position because the midfield is stacked, so he needs to make another role his own. In last weeks practise match, he picked up 14 disposals and didn't hit the scoreboard.

[Axe Man]

We have a number of players who can run off halfback though - Hunter can do it, Vandermeer can, and Treloar spent time at halfback in the VFL game.
If there is any position we can cover outside of the centre square it's halfback!

I think West is desperately unlucky. TBH I would have him in before JJ. In a pressure game every player needs to be able to defend.

Sure, half the team COULD play there. I'm just looking at the team as selected - we would generally pick 7 players to primarily rotate through the back 6 and I wouldn't have thought those others would be picked for that role. But then again who knows with Bevo. We shall see tonight.

[Axe Man]

Please Stef and Tim, let's not have our pants pulled down again by a bloke who looks like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYNkhjqL/grundy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WtsYGGgD)

[EasternWest]

Anyone else wake up ready to run through a brick wall or just me?

I am prepared to run behind you as you run through the brick wall, that's for sure.

[Happy Days]

Please Stef and Tim, let's not have our pants pulled down again by a bloke who looks like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYNkhjqL/grundy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WtsYGGgD)

Wonder which rule for life braiding your hair is?

[SquirrelGrip]

Please Stef and Tim, let's not have our pants pulled down again by a bloke who looks like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYNkhjqL/grundy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WtsYGGgD)

Braidy Grundy?

[The Underdog]

Anyone else wake up ready to run through a brick wall or just me?

I have to work until 11 tonight, so...no.

[jeemak]

Please Stef and Tim, let's not have our pants pulled down again by a bloke who looks like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYNkhjqL/grundy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WtsYGGgD)

Cultural appropriation at a time when his club is facing a backlash over being racially insensitive.......

[dog town]

Please Stef and Tim, let's not have our pants pulled down again by a bloke who looks like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYNkhjqL/grundy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WtsYGGgD)
In the 2019 game between Brisbane and Collingwood it was fairly even. Grundy had 33 hit outs and 15 touches vs Martin/Oscar Mc 17 touches and 18 hit outs.

Clearances even.

[Rocket Science]

It's ace footy's back but until we demonstrate otherwise, our backline is too vulnerable, our forward line is too unpredictable and the efforts of our on-ballers are too conditional, particularly when challenged. As Gough might say, it's time ...

I also think we're taking understandable time for the various new pieces of the puzzle to gel effectively.

Pies by 7 points but by all means Dogs stick it up me, I dare you.

[Axe Man]

The Mongrel Punt on the ruck situation:

STANDING UP TO THE RUCK BULLY (https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2021/2021/03/19/standing-up-to-the-ruck-bully/?fbclid=IwAR28MTQbq-O16Kxd-UcYR1Wt8LOsjzSq8fn3_M1yxw0zLbcYy-UMLZCqwog)

[ratsmac]

Not confident at all but....
Dogs by 3 points
First goal Bruce
BOG Treloar why not I say

[RoZDog]

Dogs by 22
First goal - Timmy English
BOG Caleb Daniel

[GVGjr]

Dogs by 24 points in the Jordan Roughead cup

First goal: Wallis
BOG: Dunkley

[comrade]

Gotta say, it’s great to be attending a game of football.

[bornadog]

West medical sub

[Grantysghost]

I'm concerned about the point kick out. Melbourne got it to the centre every time and we kick a lot of points.

Don't think that rule change has had enough focus.

Alert not alarmed.

[jeemak]

Let's go Dogs!

[jeemak]

Well some booed Treloar........which was probably just for the theatre more than anything right?

Really good start, we definitely seem like we've rocked up to play.

[Mantis]

Red hot start.. very impressive so far.

[GVGjr]

Hot start, looking switched on. 3 goals

[Mantis]

Horrible kick by Naughton... Just dumb!

[jeemak]

That's why we don't want the footy in Naughton's hands entering the forward fifty. Bomb it long and it's an easy rebound.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Don’t like this trend of dominating inside 50s but no scoreboard pressure.

[comrade]

After 10 minute mark the game was played how Collingwood likes it. Stop start, ugly kicks inside 50. Lucky to be up despite the possession dominance.

[jeemak]

Collingwood did really well to slow it down and congest, and we got a little bit too cute at times with our hands and kicking.

Treloar should have taken that shot instead of going for the dinky little kick.

[ReLoad]

It’s nice having a competitive ruckman.

[Grantysghost]

It’s nice having a competitive ruckman.

I don't think we realise how big a hole Tom Boyd left.

[bornadog]

The way Collingwood are playing we need to watch the ones over the back.
Our forward line is ridiculously over crowded

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I actually think shorter quarters are better. That quarter just seemed to go too long. Combined with reduced interchanges it just bogs the game down.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The way Collingwood are playing we need to watch the ones over the back.
Our forward line is ridiculously over crowded

Yes the out the back still seems to be a problem

[whythelongface]

Pleasing start. Collingwood have been able to slow the game down but confident we can open the game up as the game progresses.

At least we are well in the game this year as opposed to last year.

[merantau]

Martin is a good pick up. Red hot pressure and we look up for the contest but would have liked another goal or two

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I stand corrected. Pies fans did boo Treloar. Disgraceful

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is Duck watching the same game? A sidestep isn’t enough time?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Hunters spot in the side is vulnerable

[bornadog]

Forward pressure is brilliant

[jeemak]

How is that not holding the ball!

Great play from Gardner to leave his man and essentially save Smith's bacon after that butchered that handball.

[jeemak]

Can someone please tell English that throw ins are falling short.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It’s a big issue we haven’t been able to convert such dominance into even a single goal

[jeemak]

Hunters spot in the side is vulnerable

Massive call after less than a half!

[bornadog]

I can’t stand the *!*!*!*!ing whinging Pies supporters around me

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I can’t stand the *!*!*!*!ing whinging Pies supporters around me

It’ll take some getting used to after so long

[hujsh]

Keath getting a couple intercepts is encouraging

[jeemak]

Keath you complete goose!

That was so obvious.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

31-14 inside 50s for a two goal lead. Never change dogs

[jeemak]

English that is complete shit.

[DOG GOD]

I can see us tiring greatly in the 2nd half. This game should be over. How many inside 50’s do we need to score 10 goals ?

[Stefcep]

We should be up by 5 or 6 goals. This has rope-a-dope written all over it.

The man on the mark rule is horse shit.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Fiiiiiiinally

[jeemak]

How can you pick up the footy without bending over?

Vandermeer lucky not to give away a free kick for in the back then.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Great goal Vandermeer, but Naughton was absolutely monstered and should been paid a free.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Man on the mark rule already exploited. Sub rule already exploited. Anything else AFL?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Great intent Vandermeer!!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Love Vandermeer.

[hujsh]

Brilliant tackle from the Dutchman

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Oh bloody hell

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

And of course we give up a junk time goal.
It's still our thing.

[DOG GOD]

Red time AGAIN

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Where the hell were our mids there?

[EasternWest]

Just a Bulldogs special to end the half.

[Mantis]

All over them, but just a 2 goal lead... going to be interesting to see how we run this one out.

[jeemak]

Pathetic effort from our mids and forwards then to leave the entire corridor open to run.

Need to work harder and should have rolled up to cover the space.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Well some things never change. Double the inside 50s for a 2 goal lead. I’d hate to see the score if collingwood matched our inside 50 count

[DOG GOD]

If Naughton isn’t going to touch the ball, then maybe he can take Moore out of the play ??

[Grantysghost]

Engrave the cup now.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

We've done a lot right, goalkicking still a big weakness. Should be 4 goals at least in front.
I am very pleased however with intent and pressure.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Pathetic effort from our mids and forwards then to leave the entire corridor open to run.

Need to work harder and should have rolled up to cover the space.

Treloar completely stopped, once he didn't get possession.

[DOG GOD]

We've done a lot right, goalkicking still a big weakness. Should be 4 goals at least in front.
I am very pleased however with intent and pressure.

Agree, intent and pressure is pleasing, but I get sick to death of seeing us getting the ball consistently 20 metres from goal, and we can’t score. It’s fumble city, and we just can’t keep it in enough to generate a little space to run into open goal.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Without looking at the stats I feel we should have another goal, maybe two but on the balance of play and momentum I don't think there's a great deal in it.

I'm disappointed in Wallis and Naughton / our forwards ability to halve contests or win them. We still really lack a dangerous small forward, though Vanders has been great.

Big second half, need to put the foot down and test them.

[bornadog]

All over them, but just a 2 goal lead... going to be interesting to see how we run this one out.

should have at least 3 more goals

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Agree, intent and pressure is pleasing, but I get sick to death of seeing us getting the ball consistently 20 metres from goal, and we can’t score. It’s fumble city, and we just can’t keep it in enough to generate a little space to run into open goal.

I'm not comparing us to Richmond as a team, but they were belting Carlton in inside 50's yet only got them late on the scoreboard. They were also very profligate. I hate it too. I'd love to see a more quality based entry, but some teams seem to back a style that favours quantity of entries and then forward pressure to get more chances.

[jeemak]

Well some things never change. Double the inside 50s for a 2 goal lead. I’d hate to see the score if collingwood matched our inside 50 count


The inside fifty count is kind of misleading, I mean just because you're able to get it in there it doesn't mean it's easy to score, does it?

It's why I am so annoyed with English for missing a set shot there was no real excuse for spraying. In a game like this you have to take those chances, increase the lead, and force the opposition to try and open up the game.......making it easier for you to score.

[Grantysghost]

We are dominating, pies have gone total defense keep this up we should bust it open.
Very happy.
We wanted mongrel. LVM wowee.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

The inside fifty count is kind of misleading, I mean just because you're able to get it in there it doesn't mean it's easy to score, does it?

It's why I am so annoyed with English for missing a set shot there was no real excuse for spraying. In a game like this you have to take those chances, increase the lead, and force the opposition to try and open up the game.......making it easier for you to score.

It's those he's got to nail if he is going to play the role he's now been given. It's bread and butter stuff.

[bornadog]

Treloar and Smith playing wing and Hunter HFF, is this working?

[bornadog]

It's those he's got to nail if he is going to play the role he's now been given. It's bread and butter stuff.

he seemed to take too long to have his kick then fluffed it

[angelopetraglia]

At the game. Pies playing super defensive and getting plenty of players behind the ball. We have coughed some goals when they have created space from a turnover. It will be interesting if they can continue to defend and get numbers back as the game progresses. Going to be a fascinating second half.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Treloar and Smith playing wing and Hunter HFF, is this working?

Apart from his initial pass to set up I think Bruce for a goal, he's been really subdued. I really wanted to see him assert his presence.\
Smith has been brilliant. Hunter has done Hunter things, great gut running... combined with some iffy disposal

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Treloar and Smith playing wing and Hunter HFF, is this working?

Smith close to BOG, Hunter started to get into it but need more from him. Treloar has been OK for his first game.

I wonder if we'll move Hunter into the midfield when others start to tire... Could be a difference maker.

[merantau]

Vandermeer reminds me of that great Aussie fighter Jeff "Hitman" Harding. We should be 4 goals up at least. We are showing lots of endeavour but need to be smarter up forward ... again!

[The Doctor]

Courtesy of Sam Landsberger

Inside 50s late in the second quarter..

Round 1, 2020
Collingwood 24
Bulldogs 2

Round 1, 2021
Collingwood 14 (-10)
Bulldogs 32 (+30)

A swing of 40 entries in a half, with the Dogs dominating centre bounce. Stefan Martin’s impact on this team will be as pronounced as his chest.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Can someone explain to why, in every single game of ours, we have a crowded forward line yet the opposition has a paddock? Is this due more to our setup or the opposition knowing we always cough it up? It’s really frustrating seeing it over and over. I don’t see this in neutral games.

[jeemak]

Yeah it's Treloar's first hit out with the senior side, so he was always going to take a bit of time to adjust to us and we to him.

Smith is having a cracker, while Lach just needs to keep it simple and take first options.

[Stefcep]

Can someone explain to why, in every single game of ours, we have a crowded forward line yet the opposition has a paddock? Is this due more to our setup or the opposition knowing we always cough it up? It’s really frustrating seeing it over and over. I don’t see this in neutral games.

Beveridge Ball.

[jeemak]

Can someone explain to why, in every single game of ours, we have a crowded forward line yet the opposition has a paddock? Is this due more to our setup or the opposition knowing we always cough it up? It’s really frustrating seeing it over and over. I don’t see this in neutral games.

We press hard and teams know they can stifle our forwards with congestion.

Not having a really clever small forward or two doesn't help as we don't put enough pressure on the defenders carrying or moving the ball out, and nobody kicks the goals from getting it on the boot quickly.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Libber looks primed too. He has been manic. I love Libber

[bornadog]

Ads to the middle, Hunter wing

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Bruce, you’re playing AFL. You have to at least score.

[KT31]

Great goal Naughts.

[Stefcep]

See what happens when you nail a pass inside forward 50 to a leading forward?

[jeemak]

That's the best kick of his career by far!

Glad to have gotten the first of the quarter, was looking a bit dicey there.

[jeemak]

I'd kill for a player like Moore. Takes the marks, takes the game on.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Straight from the goal line to an open paddock. Honestly I’m sick of this.

[Mantis]

If Wallis can’t push Howe under the ball he is going to struggle to make an impact.

[DOG GOD]

Over the back again

[The Doctor]

Darcy Moore B.O.G.

[DOG GOD]

McNeil is NOT AFL standard.

[Mantis]

McNeil finding it’s a little tougher than in match sim... can he fake a hammy?

[GVGjr]

Gee it's a close contest

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Pathetic entry by Dale.