AFL Game Day R12 2021

[Eastdog]

Round 12


Friday, June 4

Melbourne vs Brisbane Lions TIO Traeger Park 7:50 PM Seven/Fox


Saturday, June 5

St Kilda vs Sydney Swans Marvel Stadium 1:45 PM Fox

Adelaide Crows vs Collingwood Adelaide Oval 4:35 PM Fox

Essendon vs Richmond MCG 7:25 PM Seven/Fox


Sunday, June 6

Carlton vs West Coast Eagles MCG 3:20 PM Seven/Fox

Fremantle vs Western Bulldogs Optus Stadium 6:40 PM Fox


Byes: Geelong Cats, Gold Coast Suns, GWS Giants, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide

[Eastdog]

Bump

[bornadog]

UPDATED FIXTURE

Round 12

Friday, June 4
Melbourne v Brisbane at Giants Stadium, 7.50pm AEST

Saturday, June 5
Sydney v St Kilda at the SCG, 1.45pm AEST
Adelaide v Collingwood - TBC
Essendon v Richmond at Optus Stadium, 5.40pm AWST

Sunday, June 6
Carlton v West Coast at the SCG, 3.20pm AEST
Fremantle v Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium 4.40pm AWST

Bye: Geelong, Gold Coast, GWS, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide

[Sedat]

Brisbane making the interceptor defenders earn it tonight. They've already lined up Gawn and Petty. Let them know if they are going to fill the hole they will cop some treatment.

We should have done the same last week.

[comrade]

Brisbane making the interceptor defenders earn it tonight. They've already lined up Gawn and Petty. Let them know if they are going to fill the hole they will cop some treatment.

We should have done the same last week.

Yep, good start for Brisbane.

[jazzadogs]

This start from Brisbane makes me so much more disappointed with our start. Their physicality around the contest has been noticeable, and they haven't given up easy touches when the ball does hit the ground.

Our first quarter last week was really pathetic for a 'top' team.

[comrade]

Ripping start from Brisbane, all over Melbourne. Beating them at the coalface, tackling and pressuring the ball carrier and getting the ball in deep with plenty of ground coverage.

Basically everything we didn't do last week.

[Grantysghost]

They've been the best side for the last few weeks imo. Petracca signed his 7 yr deal doesn't look quite as hungry hey.
Bont said he didn't want to do that so he stayed on his game. He is so wise.

[comrade]

2 absolute gifts to Melbourne so far.

[comrade]

Fritsch has one of the most unlikable heads in the game.

[jeemak]

Perception is a funny thing, because of the nature of frees Melbourne is getting it’s feeling like they are getting the rub but they’re 11-17 behind for frees.

[comrade]

Perception is a funny thing, because of the nature of frees Melbourne is getting it’s feeling like they are getting the rub but they’re 11-17 behind for frees.

It's not about the raw numbers, it's where and how.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

This is the real top of table clash. Brisbane look the goods. Their pressure is excellent. Really showing how poor we were last week. I hope we see a lot better intensity this week.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It's not about the raw numbers, it's where and how.

Tell that to Sydney fans.

[Grantysghost]

Fritsch has one of the most unlikable heads in the game.

It's clear #1. He hasn't earned that smirk.

[jeemak]

It's not about the raw numbers, it's where and how.

Yeah that’s what I’m getting at.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Pickett really does play for frees.

[Grantysghost]

Mcluggage is a very very good player.

[Grantysghost]

That down the ground footage shows how Hipwood sprinted across to man up Lever. They've got a good plan here the Lions.

[comrade]

Pickett really does play for frees.

Yeah, absolute horrible flopper. Belongs on a soccer field.

[Grantysghost]

Oliver 8 touches to the half. Needs a big third quarter.

[bornadog]

Pickett really does play for frees.

There were a lot pf posters dirty we didn't get Pickett and we ended up with Cody.

Pickett has done nothing for at least 5 weeks. I guess time will tell which player is better.

[Hotdog60]

If Brisbane keep this up and get the points and we beat Freo we are back on top of the ladder.

Where's the rooting thread.

[Happy Days]

Weightman’s gone past Pickett. Which means according to AFL.com.au they’re both past Cyril.

[ReLoad]

We really got Brisbane at the right time. They have all the attributes of a flag tilt.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

That first half is why I don't think Melbourne are the best team in it.

I wasn't overly impressed with them last week either - we were awful and they won by 4 goals.

Good side, but not great not the best in it.

[jeemak]

If I didn't know it already it's certainly been drummed into me tonight, Christian Petracca is explosive and has strong legs and repeating it over again is perfectly normal.

[bulldogtragic]

There were a lot pf posters dirty we didn't get Pickett and we ended up with Cody.

Pickett has done nothing for at least 5 weeks. I guess time will tell which player is better.

I compared their averages this year on footywire. Cody is comfortably in front on stats alone.

[jeemak]

Bit for Brisbane to think about. Melbourne have ramped it up a bit.

[Grantysghost]

It's the Demons we copped in the first. Good sign they can go up a gear.

[bulldogtragic]

Good game.

[ReLoad]

This thread aged well.....

[jeemak]

According to BT Oliver wins disposal machines.

[Grantysghost]

Lions completely over awed. They've been really poor under the heat. Demons have contributors everywhere.

[comrade]

Melbourne are bloody good. You hate to see it.

[kruder]

Petty isn't bad for a 4th Key Defender on a list, I reckon he would give Cordy and Gardiner a run for their money.

[Grantysghost]

Melbourne are bloody good. You hate to see it.

They've always had the talent, now they've got the attitude and belief along with a great gameplan and intensity.
They're the yard stick now. I don't like them much but good to see someone different up the top I guess.

[comrade]

Petty isn't bad for a 4th Key Defender on a list, I reckon he would give Cordy and Gardiner a run for their money.

Gardner and Cordy would look like world beaters next to Lever and May.

[jeemak]

There's something unlikeable about Melbourne. I can't put my finger on it but it's definitely there and has nothing to do with talent.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

C'mon Dees.

[kruder]

Gardner and Cordy would look like world beaters next to Lever and May.

Cordy wouldn't look like a world beater at any level lets be honest. Gardner is improving we can say that.

[jeemak]

That free kick against Coleman is just stupid. Why would you run full pelt dick first into someone's head?

[bornadog]

Cordy wouldn't look like a world beater at any level lets be honest. Gardiner is improving we can say that.

Gardner

[bulldogtragic]

What’s the root for tonight? Melbourne lock first, or bring up Brisbane for top 2 considerations?

[chef]

That Kosi Pickett is nice to watch.

[chef]

What’s the root for tonight? Melbourne lock first, or bring up Brisbane for top 2 considerations?

Melbourne lock first, need to avoid a Brisbane final.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Gotta say. Very impressive from Melbourne.

[bulldogtragic]

Melbourne lock first, need to avoid a Brisbane final.

Well then. Good day sir.

[comrade]

This is Richmond-esque. Absorbed all the pressure in the first half, stayed in touch and then exploded.

[KT31]

Oliver is a gun, but best thrower in the competition.

[Grantysghost]

Lions have been terrible second half as good as Demons have been. They've really shown nothing.

[DOG GOD]

Very good 2nd half. Moving the ball a lot quicker and more direct.

[jeemak]

Brisbane have been run off their feet, are shitting themselves and haven't adapted at all.

At least the difference in our game was largely poor skill execution whilst having an overall ordinary night.

[Grantysghost]

Oliver had 8 in the first half up to 24 now.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The only question that remains for the dees is it’s round 11. Can they keep this going for another 15 weeks? Hard to say no based on tonight.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Worth noting they have stuff all injuries too.

Their challenge will come.

[comrade]

Kudos to the Dees fitness staff, just overpowering good sides in second halves all year.

[Grantysghost]

Kudos to the Dees fitness staff, just overpowering good sides in second halves all year.

Good supplements?

[jeemak]

So are you supposed to move the ball quickly or slowly against the Dees?

The commentary team couldn't figure out which is the best way to go, because apparently Melbourne like time to set up down the line and force you wide by shutting out the corridor, but also like you to play quickly. So essentially - according to the commentary - like you to do both!

Getting caught deep in defence is a massive problem, as is exiting shallow. Staying on top in the midfield is key, I reckon Melbourne could be in for a shock if a couple of teams decide to play certain players defencively but have the depth to keep the ball moving forward.

[Grantysghost]

Worth noting they have stuff all injuries too.

Their challenge will come.

They just knocked off 2 and 3 pretty easily. Think their draw is pretty sweet here on out.
They certainly have incredible belief. It's on the back of their bottom 6, they just don't have any non contributors.
Guys like Jordan and Rivers are providing plenty.

[Sedat]

Dees are a clear level above everyone else. Their game plan is very September friendly.

I get the 'peaking early' narrative but teams have won multiple games on the bounce before - Carlton won 16 in a row in 1995, Brisbane won a similar amount in 2001. No reason why Melbourne can't do the same.

[bornadog]

I think Williams has made a big difference to the coaching of the team. He has been a good get.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I hate to say it... Melbourne are now verifiably good??
If they avoid injuries they look a lock for minor premiership.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I think Williams has made a big difference to the coaching of the team. He has been a good get.

His personality idiosyncrasies have hobbled his chances of senior coach jobs, but he is a great addition to a coaching group. He's the type we should be looking to add to our coaching group. Dare I say it, maybe Gary Ayres??

[chef]

Melbourne has a gear no one else has, they are also great to watch.

[comrade]

Melbourne has a gear no one else has, they are also great to watch.

Just deadly on the turnover. Whenever Brisbane coughed it up in the second half, Melbourne had a tsunami of players running forward on the overlap. Felt like they scored at will.

They’re going to take some beating, no real weaknesses to exploit at all.

[The Doctor]

I don't think Melbourne are better than us. They are obviously good and deserve to be at the top. But I think we can take them.

I actually think our best is better than theirs. But we need a few things to go our way in terms of personnel and strategy.

Melbourne are almost at full strength. Only Viney & perhaps Tomlinson are out of their best 22 that beat us.

When we add Martin, Wood, Treloar, Dunkley & perhaps Gardner, Scott & Vandermeer to the team that lost to them it's a different ball game. Our midfield is back to its formidable best with these inclusions and will be much harder for them to neutralise. Martin will be a much tougher opponent for Gawn & with Dunks coming in Libba gets better support and I doubt Oliver will be free to run amok as much as he did last time.

We also have a wildcard we haven't used yet. Jamarra.

It would be a great match. We win by 20

[Grantysghost]

Melbourne has a gear no one else has, they are also great to watch.

Not 100 percent sold no one else has that gear. I think the Lions really did play poorly (I get the demons were part of that).
Their form was a little misleading as they hadn't left Qld since rd 6.
I don't think it's a one horse race. No Oliver in the first half and they looked pretty average. Bit of a clue there.

[comrade]

Not 100 percent sold no one else has that gear. I think the Lions really did play poorly (I get the demons were part of that).
Their form was a little misleading as they hadn't left Qld since rd 6.
I don't think it's a one horse race. No Oliver in the first half and they looked pretty average. Bit of a clue there.

I really hope we can get some game time into Toby McLean over the next 4-6 weeks and unleash him back into that defensive mid role he was finding his groove in last year. I can see him giving Oliver a hard time.

[Go_Dogs]

I don't think Melbourne are better than us. They are obviously good and deserve to be at the top. But I think we can take them.

I actually think our best is better than theirs. But we need a few things to go our way in terms of personnel and strategy.

Melbourne are almost at full strength. Only Viney & perhaps Tomlinson are out of their best 22 that beat us.

When we add Martin, Wood, Treloar, Dunkley & perhaps Gardner, Scott & Vandermeer to the team that lost to them it's a different ball game. Our midfield is back to its formidable best with these inclusions and will be much harder for them to neutralise. Martin will be a much tougher opponent for Gawn & with Dunks coming in Libba gets better support and I doubt Oliver will be free to run amok as much as he did last time.

We also have a wildcard we haven't used yet. Jamarra.

It would be a great match. We win by 20

McLean and Richards too who we can’t discount. Both not locks to return but keep the pressure on.

[jeemak]

McLean and Richards too who we can’t discount. Both not locks to return but keep the pressure on.

If fit they'll definitely be considered providing they don't take too long to find their groove.

[jeemak]

Just deadly on the turnover. Whenever Brisbane coughed it up in the second half, Melbourne had a tsunami of players running forward on the overlap. Felt like they scored at will.

They’re going to take some beating, no real weaknesses to exploit at all.

They seemed to have been running much more clearly over the top of the ground while Brisbane seemed to be labouring so much.
I'm hoping it's unsustainable.......but I'm not confident it is.

[hujsh]

I don't think Melbourne are better than us. They are obviously good and deserve to be at the top. But I think we can take them.

I actually think our best is better than theirs. But we need a few things to go our way in terms of personnel and strategy.

Melbourne are almost at full strength. Only Viney & perhaps Tomlinson are out of their best 22 that beat us.

When we add Martin, Wood, Treloar, Dunkley & perhaps Gardner, Scott & Vandermeer to the team that lost to them it's a different ball game. Our midfield is back to its formidable best with these inclusions and will be much harder for them to neutralise. Martin will be a much tougher opponent for Gawn & with Dunks coming in Libba gets better support and I doubt Oliver will be free to run amok as much as he did last time.

We also have a wildcard we haven't used yet. Jamarra.

It would be a great match. We win by 20

As meantioned Mclean and Richards can be added to that lost and getting those depth players back and having the luxury to pick whoever has form or whoever fits the team best that week based on the opposition could give us a nice boost

[bornadog]

They seemed to have been running much more clearly over the top of the ground while Brisbane seemed to be labouring so much.
I'm hoping it's unsustainable.......but I'm not confident it is.

I think Brisbane are not as good as we all thought they may be, especially away from home.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I think Brisbane are not as good as we all thought they may be, especially away from home.

Bit of Port Adelaide about them?

[Happy Days]

Melbourne are almost definitely the best team and definitely better than us. For now, sure, but they are until they show they aren't which will hopefully be around round 20 (I'm not looking it up).

[comrade]

Max Gawn is a big problem.

[chef]

Not 100 percent sold no one else has that gear. I think the Lions really did play poorly (I get the demons were part of that).
Their form was a little misleading as they hadn't left Qld since rd 6.
I don't think it's a one horse race. No Oliver in the first half and they looked pretty average. Bit of a clue there.

Yeah i dunno, they are clearly a step ahead for mine.

Keen for our rematch though and to see if we learnt anything.

[DOG GOD]

Worth noting they have stuff all injuries too.

Their challenge will come.

No injuries, and the easiest upcoming draw (unless COVID completely destroys it)

[DOG GOD]

Max Gawn is a big problem.

Yep, dees have the better ruckman and the better defence.

[jeemak]

It'd be difficult being Brett Ratten at the moment, the Saints would be frustrating to coach this year. That Seb Ross miss to finish off the quarter was typical of them.

[Grantysghost]

It'd be difficult being Brett Ratten at the moment, the Saints would be frustrating to coach this year. That Seb Ross miss to finish off the quarter was typical of them.

The look on Ratten's face. How do you miss from there?

[Happy Days]

They’re in this the Saints. They were in pretty much an identical position in our game as they were in the first quarter here and fully gave up, so I guess that’s something for them.

[EasternWest]

Not a big fan of the Saints jersey. They look like painters you'd see wandering around Bunnings.

[bornadog]

Wow what a loss by Saints. Higgins had 2 shots in dying minutes to put them in front and just rushed his set shots

[bulldogtragic]

Wow what a loss by Saints. Higgins had 2 shots in dying minutes to put them in front and just rushed his set shots

St Kilda still owe a second rounder this year to Richmond for Higgins trade.

Higgins was just doing his part for Richmond to get a better pick. YELLOW AND BLACK. He’s helping, Tiger, Land.

[Sedat]

St Kilda still owe a second rounder this year to Richmond for Higgins trade.

Higgins was just doing his part for Richmond to get a better pick. YELLOW AND BLACK. He’s helping, Tiger, Land.

Higgins the least of their problems. They have a non-competitive key forward who has zero 2nd efforts and also flops like a dead fish - doing the no 12 jumper proud at Moorabbin on that score at least.

I see Ratts did the old injured routine at the presser taking about King. Smart ploy to stop the discussion around his extended dreadful form. Worth noting he's only a few months younger than Naughts - even his brother is doing far more damage on the scoreboard and also with repeat efforts.

[Happy Days]

Higgins the least of their problems. They have a non-competitive key forward who has zero 2nd efforts and also flops like a dead fish - doing the no 12 jumper proud at Moorabbin on that score at least.

I see Ratts did the old injured routine at the presser taking about King. Smart ploy to stop the discussion around his extended dreadful form. Worth noting he's only a few months younger than Naughts - even his brother is doing far more damage on the scoreboard and also with repeat efforts.

You wouldn’t know it from the commentary and coverage of the Saints though. Does Fox have a financial interest in him or something?

[bulldogtragic]

Higgins the least of their problems. They have a non-competitive key forward who has zero 2nd efforts and also flops like a dead fish - doing the no 12 jumper proud at Moorabbin on that score at least.

I see Ratts did the old injured routine at the presser taking about King. Smart ploy to stop the discussion around his extended dreadful form. Worth noting he's only a few months younger than Naughts - even his brother is doing far more damage on the scoreboard and also with repeat efforts.

I can’t take Ratten seriously this season. Horror year and no one seems to be really responsible except for a few fringe player omissions occasionally. I remember thinking he was actually a good coach and player motivator before he was knifed at Carlton. I’m not as certain as I used to be. That the give more than half a shit and still lose isn’t a silver lining.

[Sedat]

You wouldn’t know it from the commentary and coverage of the Saints though. Does Fox have a financial interest in him or something?
The King brothers are on equal footing with the Coventry brothers according to all the media fanbois. At least Ben kicks a few and has some token half-hearted 2nd efforts.

[merantau]

Half time and Essendon are hanging in. Still can't believe I'm barracking for them. I think I'll call it the "Herbatron Effect".

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Haha no comment here about the diagonals playing.
How do they get gifted this annual bonanza?
Normally at the MCG, Optus in Perth shows this great date and occasion as poorly represented by these two teams.
Open it up. Open all the great dates.
'Tradition' is what keeps the big clubs filthy rich.

[comrade]

The Optus Stadium surface looks like it's playing horribly. Players sliding and losing their feet all night and it may have even contributed to McGrath doing a serious knee injury.

[DOG GOD]

The Optus Stadium surface looks like it's playing horribly. Players sliding and losing their feet all night and it may have even contributed to McGrath doing a serious knee injury.

Great. We slip over in dry conditions..can’t wait to see guys like JJ slip sliding away. ;)

[1eyedog]

Haha no comment here about the diagonals playing.
How do they get gifted this annual bonanza?
Normally at the MCG, Optus in Perth shows this great date and occasion as poorly represented by these two teams.
Open it up. Open all the great dates.
'Tradition' is what keeps the big clubs filthy rich.

Have a look at the crowd.

Looks like Essington may end the Tigers top 4 aspirations right here.

On another matter Essington getting crucified by the umps.

[jeemak]

Well the Tigers finished well.

Livid the get a financial windfall and everyone else missing home games suffers. Benny Gale tried to justify this stupidity by saying clubs are great at helping each other out but not financially....

[MrMahatma]

Well the Tigers finished well.

Livid the get a financial windfall and everyone else missing home games suffers. Benny Gale tried to justify this stupidity by saying clubs are great at helping each other out but not financially....

What should happen? I mean, Melb played a match in Sydney and hardly anyone showed, Richmond played in Perth and it was packed. If we played in Perth... how many would show?

They’re a big club and have been very successful. Good luck to them.

[jeemak]

What should happen? I mean, Melb played a match in Sydney and hardly anyone showed, Richmond played in Perth and it was packed. If we played in Perth... how many would show?

They’re a big club and have been very successful. Good luck to them.

Split gate receipts and revenue across the competition.

I mean on a per head basis our fans and North’s and St Kildas have secured Docklands for the betterment of the competition but still get ripped off by playing there, least the league could do is chop us out when we can’t.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Split gate receipts and revenue across the competition.

I mean on a per head basis our fans and North’s and St Kildas have secured Docklands for the betterment of the competition but still get ripped off by playing there, least the league could do is chop us out when we can’t.

Made a coffee and jumped on the Bomberblitz game day thread and read over from the start of the last quarter. It's everything and more.

Sure it's a little sadistic, but I think it's fair game when it's that corrupt organisation.

Also, an Essendon win might have seemed better for us on paper, but just remember that watching on somewhere in lockdown is a young, frustrated, Bombers-supporting, once in a generation key forward. He needs to be reminded that this broken club are no good and aren't going to be winning a final for at least another 450 days (taking the tally to at least 6500 days). Many thanks Richmond.

[Go_Dogs]

Haha no comment here about the diagonals playing.
How do they get gifted this annual bonanza?
Normally at the MCG, Optus in Perth shows this great date and occasion as poorly represented by these two teams.
Open it up. Open all the great dates.
'Tradition' is what keeps the big clubs filthy rich.

Why change a fixture when crowd numbers are tied to your bonus? Will never happen.

[MrMahatma]

Why change a fixture when crowd numbers are tied to your bonus? Will never happen.

In fairness, you’d have to agree, surely, that the now “rolling fixture” where prime time TV slots are only locked in a month in advance is a fantastic advancement in further equalisation. Our club has had 5 prime time (Thurs, Fri or Sat night) slots so far this year, and Good Friday daytime. We have another Friday night match in 2 weeks against Geelong.

Now, this approach to fixturing isn’t guaranteed to continue post Covid (that I know of...) but you’d say it’s better for the TV networks and advertisers, and thus for the AFL so I’d be surprised if they walk away from it.

On the topic of Dreamtime. Well, Essendon and Richmond have done a lot for indigenous football over the past decades, and I believe Sheedy came up with the idea of the match? I’d say it fits comfortably with these two clubs.

[jeemak]

The knives are going to be out for Teague. There's a few media folk out there who are gaslighting Carlton supporters into thinking they're talented and have the personnel to be contending for finals and premierships. It's madness.

We'll be seeing another case of the media picking a coaching target to chase out of his job pretty soon I think.

[macca]

The knives are going to be out for Teague. There's a few media folk out there who are gaslighting Carlton supporters into thinking they're talented and have the personnel to be contending for finals and premierships. It's madness.

We'll be seeing another case of the media picking a coaching target to chase out of his job pretty soon I think.

When I listen to Teagues post match conference, he sounds like a man who is out in limbo.

He knows there are glaring gaps in the list. Their midfield is just crap apart from Walsh. Cripps is a spent force

They have overpaid for downhill skiers on Saad, and Wilson, who they thought he could play midfield. They paid too much for Cripp's contract for a limited inside mid. Petrevski is so talented yet goes missing too often.

Charlie curnow was played when injured.

Letting Kade simpson go last year, may have left them without discipline and seasons defender.

Teague has run out of ideas one where to play some of this players. He actually looks clueless in these conferences.

Injuries have not helped. MCgovern cannot get onto the park.

Maybe Bolton's tough love and instilling discipline in their group may have had longer term results, than putting up with the current groups lets make them feel better.

If the knives our out, He will be gone by the end of this year, knowing Carlton always demanding better results.