Always Right Match Committee - Round 15 Vs West Coast Eagles 2021

[Scraggers]

Welcome to the Always Right Match Committee Thread. The Match Committee threads has been named after long time WOOF member Always Right who tragically passed away in March 2018.

If you were on the Western Bulldogs match committee what changes would you make after our Round 14 match against Geelong for our Round 15, 2021 match against West Coast Eagles at Optus Stadium on Sunday Arvo?

For those new to these threads, please give a brief explanation for your changes ... this would add a lot of value to the discussion.

[GVGjr]

Bumpity bump

[bulldogtragic]

In: Wood, Schache, Martin
Out: Crozier, Naughton, Hannan

[G-Mo77]

It's time for JUH BT. I don't care if Schache kicks 20 in the VFL I'm not picking him over JUH again.

[bornadog]

OUT Hannan

[SonofScray]

Hannan Out
Bailey Smith OUT

[ReLoad]

Tobias was awesome upon his return, but he pulled up lame a few times, hard to get match fitness in during such a short recovery period.

I think we need to sit on the injury news, but if naughts is out, we need to unleash JUH.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Tobias was awesome upon his return, but he pulled up lame a few times, hard to get match fitness in during such a short recovery period.

I think we need to sit on the injury news, but if naughts is out, we need to unleash JUH.

Agree Toby was a great story tonight. Thought he gave everything and showed he's got a lot to add to our best team going forward.
Not sure unleashing JUH in Perth for his first game is ideal. He didn't show a great deal in VFL tonight.

[bornadog]

We really needed Martin tonight, hopefully he is ready for next week.

[Happy Days]

I wanna drop Hannan but I’m already really bummed out at the thought of playing Schache again.

[angelopetraglia]

We really needed Martin tonight, hopefully he is ready for next week.

English had no influence. Ratugolea did a lot of hard work around the contested ball that Martin would have negated. We missed him.

[FrediKanoute]

You have to reward performance and Schache performed. Good 5 goals that he got. Would have him pencilled in v WCE and ask him to bring the same level of intensity that he did in the VFL tonight.

JUH- no., Got 2 cheap goals and looked sore. He is a brilliant, but next week is not the right week.

[The Underdog]

Tobias was awesome upon his return, but he pulled up lame a few times, hard to get match fitness in during such a short recovery period.

I think we need to sit on the injury news, but if naughts is out, we need to unleash JUH.

Going on the VFL game yesterday, it’d be less an unleashing and more a release him to get destroyed. He looked a mile off AFL football yesterday.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we just replace Naughton with Martin and Wally goes out, although Lipinski, Schache, Garcia and Richards were all good enough in the VFL to warrant selection.

[Go_Dogs]

Immediate thoughts without knowing who is fit / who isn’t:

In Martin (if healthy)
Out Naughton (if injured)

In Richards
Out McLean (seemed a bit proppy, who knows?)

In Wallis (let him tag Sheed)
Out Roarke (good depth, but not offering us quite enough - did he have a defensive role? Hard to tell on TV)

[GVGjr]

We really needed Martin tonight, hopefully he is ready for next week.

Do you think we dropped him because he wasn't ready? Could it have been because of the conditions?

[comrade]

Do you think we dropped him because he wasn't ready? Could it have been because of the conditions?

If it was conditions based, it makes the decision even more insane.

[G-Mo77]

Do you think we dropped him because he wasn't ready? Could it have been because of the conditions?

Martin was injured. He was never going to play.

[SquirrelGrip]

A difficult week of selection as we’ll probably need to take an extended squad to Perth, meaning some who are a close to the mark may not go to WA as it is more important they play an extra game in the VFL. Expect Wood, Schache, Martin and either Garcia or West to join the 23 from this week. Maybe Naughton doesn’t go depending on injury but everyone else will.

Richards and Marra in particular need games this week.

[The bulldog tragician]

Surely, surely Hannan does not play next week. I know we don’t know roles assigned etc but if he is there to stop intercept marking he failed, as he did with being a productive forward.

Schache to replace Naughton, and Martin in for Hannan. I think McLean and Wally did ok though with the former he may have pulled up sore after such a brutal “welcome back” game

[GVGjr]

Surely, surely Hannan does not play next week. I know we don’t know roles assigned etc but if he is there to stop intercept marking he failed, as he did with being a productive forward.

Schache to replace Naughton, and Martin in for Hannan. I think McLean and Wally did ok though with the former he may have pulled up sore after such a brutal “welcome back” game

The coach was quite clear in his comments a couple of weeks back that Hannan was performing the tasks of he that had been asked to do. From what I have seen Bevo should be setting the benchmark a lot higher.

We had some good performances at Footscray last night, it will be interesting to see which ones come into the selection mix.

[GVGjr]

Sam Edmond is saying that the Dogs expect Naughton to make the trip to WA

[soupman]

Martin comes in, that's the easy one. For Naughton obviously. English plays forward more.

Would really like to drop Crozier, he has offered so little this year. Is no longer an influence in the air, his ground ball stuff is ok but not that good, and man he is shocking with the ball in hand. Every kick is a 40m lollipop to no one specifics advantage. Wood comes straight in for him.

Hannan has been shithouse, but not sure who we have that offers that hybrid of mobile defensive forward who has a touch of pace and is decent in the air to replace him. Not sold it's Wallis, JUH would be my pick but not this week, so I think Hannan stays. If we do want to run with the three talls again though then Schache gets a call up for Hannan, but thats hardly any more inspiring.

If Naughton does turn out to be fit then Hannan can get out.

Would also be happy to drop Bailey Smith but I think we won't. Garcia probably first in line there, I really don't rate West who is the other contender.

Also cannot believe how nobody brings up Roarkes name in this thread anymore. Not that he deserves to be in the discussion necessarily, but considering basically nobody here rates him it shows how much the appreciation of his role on here has changed.

[azabob]

If Ed Richards had one more game under his belt he’d be a great option to replace Bailey Smith on a wing.

[soupman]

If Ed Richards had one more game under his belt he’d be a great option to replace Bailey Smith on a wing.

Garcia is probably in the discussion ahead of him.

[bornadog]

In: Martin

Out: Hannan

[azabob]

Garcia is probably in the discussion ahead of him.

Good call. I think Richards is more suited to an outside role than Garcia though.

[The bulldog tragician]

The coach was quite clear in his comments a couple of weeks back that Hannan was performing the tasks of he that had been asked to do. From what I have seen Bevo should be setting the benchmark a lot higher.

We had some good performances at Footscray last night, it will be interesting to see which ones come into the selection mix.

Yeah I get that we don’t know what Hannan is meant to do, but even so, when the ball does get into his hands, he is so fumbly..!

It is probably the week for changes, to freshen the team up, and to begin introducing guys who’ve been long term injuries such as Richards back into the mix.

[Bullies]

Will be interesting to see what they do. I think they may have "rested" a few had they won last night and be ready to go in the back half. They still might.

[DOG GOD]

Will be interesting to see what they do. I think they may have "rested" a few had they won last night and be ready to go in the back half. They still might.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Libba rested this week.

[bornadog]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Libba rested this week.

That would be a disaster

[Happy Days]

In: Martin and Wood

Out: Hannan and Crozier

We go in with Sweet or English as the first ruck and we’re dead.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Libba rested this week.

Good Luck. You can go and tell him 👊

[DOG GOD]

Good Luck. You can go and tell him ��
What’s his number ??

[EasternWest]

What’s his number ??

0420 696969

[DOG GOD]

0420 696969

All I got was heavy panting.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

All I got was heavy panting.

Hope you had “Show your called ID” turned off

[1eyedog]

0420 696969

Just dial Dim Sims R Us.

[bornadog]

0420 696969

I thought that was your number

[EasternWest]

I thought that was your number

Can you prove I'm not Tom Liberatore?

[westbulldog]

Out
Hannan and JJ (imo they gifted Stewart a b.o.g)
In
Martin Wood/Wallis/Garcia

[Ozza]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Libba rested this week.

Why would he be rested?

We have a 9 day break.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Can you prove I'm not Tom Liberatore?

Show us yer tatts Greasy boy!!

[1eyedog]

Can you prove I'm not Tom Liberatore?

Yes you can't post and play silly.

[DOG GOD]

Why would he be rested?

We have a 9 day break.

I was referring to another poster who mentioned that he wouldn’t be surprised if a few players got rested. The first one that came to mind for me was Libba. With the quarantine etc, he’s one that I would look at. That would really revitalise him for the run home.

[soupman]

I don't understand the resting comments.

We literally just had a week off, and have a 8 clear days off this week.

[EasternWest]

Show us yer tatts Greasy boy!!

https://i.postimg.cc/NFmW9qnv/images.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[EasternWest]

Yes you can't post and play silly.

Typical. Talent underrated again.

[bornadog]

https://i.postimg.cc/NFmW9qnv/images.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Actually I thought this was more like your tattoo

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4c833b246abd516eda0e6e7d3cb64652

[1eyedog]

Typical. Talent underrated again.

Perpetually it seems.

[EasternWest]

Actually I thought this was more like your tattoo

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4c833b246abd516eda0e6e7d3cb64652

I am not Jake Stringer

[comrade]

This week seems pretty straight forward.

OUT: Hannan, Baz, Crozier
IN: Martin, Garcia, Wood

Wallis as sub again

[DOG GOD]

I’m thinking

IN- Martin and wood
Out- Hannan and Crozier

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I am not Jake Stringer

But you are borderline flying!

[Jeanette54]

If I the match committee I would be putting Josh Schache's senior selection purely in his hands. As in "do you think you should be selected this week" ? If he is prepared to make the call, and take the responsibility, he's in. JJ to take Bailey Smith's role. Wallis to remain sub.

in: Martin (if fit) Schache, Wood.
out: Hannan, Crozier, Baz (managed)

[bornadog]

27 players are going to Perth. Other than the 23 last week, which additional 4 will go?

I will say, Wood, Garcia, Martin, Lippa.

[EasternWest]

But you are borderline flying!

Easy on the borderline purple lips.

[comrade]

27 players are going to Perth. Other than the 23 last week, which additional 4 will go?

I will say, Wood, Garcia, Martin, Lippa.

Yeah, that sounds about right to me though I would leave Bailey Smith in Melbourne and have him play VFL.

[bornadog]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me though I would leave Bailey Smith in Melbourne and have him play VFL.

Agree, he needs a stint at VFL to get back into form, but somehow I doubt they leave him behind.

[Ghost Dog]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me though I would leave Bailey Smith in Melbourne and have him play VFL.

Garcia was great in the VFL. Just watching it for the second time.

[comrade]

Garcia was great in the VFL. Just watching it for the second time.

Yep, put his hand right up. Tackles and pressure like a terrier. I honestly don't think we lose anything by replacing with Baz with Garcia with the form the former is in right now.

[Rocco Jones]

Glad we have Wood and Wally there as senior guys.

[divvydan]

According to Age reporter, Daniel Cherny: No Martin, Wood, JUH on plane. Schache goes, as does Naughton.

[azabob]

According to Age reporter, Daniel Cherny: No Martin, Wood, JUH on plane. Schache goes, as does Naughton.

Hopefully Sweet is on the plane in that case.

[comrade]

Hopefully Sweet is on the plane in that case.

Nah, one ruck all the way. What could go wrong?

[Go_Dogs]

Martin needed surgery and we’ve kept it quiet?

From right to go to essentially what will be 3 games / 4 weeks not good.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

Does anyone think that Wallis could be brought in as an inside mid to help Libba?

Very keen on Garcia after watching him the other night. Just don't know whether bevo would go with him in Perth.

[meenies]

Garcia, Richards and Sasch on plane

[comrade]

Garcia, Richards and Sasch on plane

Ridiculous.

[bulldogtragic]

Does anyone think that Wallis could be brought in as an inside mid to help Libba?

Very keen on Garcia after watching him the other night. Just don't know whether bevo would go with him in Perth.

Garcia is a WA boy. Playing in front of family and friends might be an extra spur on, on top of his second game and deserving the shot. Some extra energy around the rooms might be nice.

[The bulldog tragician]

Ridiculous.

Sorry, I don’t get why?

[comrade]

Sorry, I don’t get why?

We're going in with English as our solo option against the best in the competition.

We're also leaving Wood at home who should be playing in place of Crozier.

[bulldogtragic]

English vs Nic Nat. Bruce/Schache second ruck.

[comrade]

English vs Nic Nat. Bruce/Schache second ruck.

Is there a dislike button for this ;)

[bulldogtragic]

Is there a dislike button for this ;)

I wish there was. Like Crozier over Wood. Or Hannan over Bedendo.

[The bulldog tragician]

We're going in with English as our solo option against the best in the competition.

We're also leaving Wood at home who should be playing in place of Crozier.

I thought you meant the 3 mentioned, ok.

[Rocco Jones]

I think Sweet is a bad match up for Nic Nat and thought he struggled in the VFL. Maybe having the tallest/mobile options is best. I don't know, I do not like either option.

[Rocco Jones]

I am going with
In: Richards, Schache, Garcia
Out: Hannan, Crozier, Roarke

Sub: Crozier

[comrade]

I think Sweet is a bad match up for Nic Nat and thought he struggled in the VFL. Maybe having the tallest/mobile options is best. I don't know, I do not like either option.

So you prefer Schache or Macrae going up against him?

[bulldogtragic]

So you prefer Schache or Macrae going up against him?

Lew Young is at least tall, has practice rucking, is mobile, has good hands and can defend. He’s been tried forward so could swap forward with Tim.

Alas, we are going to get smashed in this area. Our mids are going to have to work overtime to not allow first tap to dictate clearances.

[comrade]

Lew Young is at least tall, has practice rucking, is mobile, has good hands and can defend. He’s been tried forward so could swap forward with Tim.

Alas, we are going to get smashed in this area. Our mids are going to have to work overtime to not allow first tap to dictate clearances.

NicNat will just clear it himself.

[Rocco Jones]

So you prefer Schache or Macrae going up against him?

I do not want Macrae there and I am probably with you in wanting Sweet, more as it frees up English to play forward. I just can see why we would go a mobile option. The thing is, Schache was uncompetitive last time around. It is not like we have a solid option with the mobile choice.

[G-Mo77]

Lost already by selections.

[azabob]

Lost already by selections.

Is Sweet on the plane?

[bulldogtragic]

Is Sweet on the plane?

Apparently not. No Martin. No Wood. No JUH.

[comrade]

I do not want Macrae there and I am probably with you in wanting Sweet, more as it frees up English to play forward. I just can see why we would go a mobile option. The thing is, Schache was uncompetitive last time around. It is not like we have a solid option with the mobile choice.

We're really no more mobile with Schache in the side if he can't get near it.

[bulldogtragic]

We're really no more mobile with Schache in the side if he can't get near it.

He shouldn’t ruck and he shouldn’t play KPF. I still like him as the (Adel) Tom Lynch circa 2015-2018 as the tall elite runner that is taller than opponents to rack up marks up the ground, who is a good field kick and when getting shots on goal is a very accurate kick. Basically this how he played a fair amount of the weekend against Geelong VFL, still kicked 6 too. Basically the role Hannan isn’t doing. Stay out of the way of Naughton & Bruce & Cody, and use his strengths to advantage. He can do everything that Hannan isn’t it, just taller.

[bornadog]

Schache will only get a game if Naughton still sore.

I wonder what is happening with Martin?

[Vred]

No Martin or Sweet? No Lew Young? SCHACHE?

BRB putting $1000 On WCE to win

[soupman]

Honestly if Martin isn't fit do we even have anyone else who can genuinely contest with NicNat? Sweet is just ok but not sure he is equipped to do anything but be badly beaten in the middle. If thats the case is there any benefit in picking someone to get annihilated when we can just let English take the centre bounces and rotate a bunch of guys through there around the ground?

I think there is a good chance we don't even bother contested the boundary throw ins and just try and swarm him at ground level.

To be clear, I don't think any of this is a good plan, but I'm also not sure we have an option which isn't "get badly beaten in the ruck".

[Mofra]

So you prefer Schache or Macrae going up against him?
Nicnat has a lower TOG than any comporable ruckman. The times a second ruckman will be opposed to NicNat will either be minimal or non-existent.

I would bring in either Martin, or Sweet if he's unavailable. WCE have played two rucks as long as I can remember so it's not just NicNat, (their) Bailey Williams would murder any no 2 option we have that isn't named Tim English and I want us to revert back to our 3-tall forwardline structure.

At this stage I'd have Hannan out Martin in, Crozier (out/inj/rested) and Wood in.
Then pray like hell Naughton is ok. Play him deep, Bruce to play Naughton's higher/CHFish role.

[comrade]

Nicnat has a lower TOG than any comporable ruckman. The times a second ruckman will be opposed to NicNat will either be minimal or non-existent.

I would bring in either Martin, or Sweet if he's unavailable. WCE have played two rucks as long as I can remember so it's not just NicNat, (their) Bailey Williams would murder any no 2 option we have that isn't named Tim English and I want us to revert back to our 3-tall forwardline structure.

At this stage I'd have Hannan out Martin in, Crozier (out/inj/rested) and Wood in.
Then pray like hell Naughton is ok. Play him deep, Bruce to play Naughton's higher/CHFish role.

Martin, Wood and Sweet didn't make the trip.

[Mofra]

Martin, Wood and Sweet didn't make the trip.
Oh damn.
Young or Schache - toss a coin. Schache kicked 6 so I guess "selection integrity" comes into play.
Bruce as second ruck.

English will get killed at taps but can out-work NicNat around the ground.

[Bulldog Joe]

Oh damn.
Young or Schache - toss a coin. Schache kicked 6 so I guess "selection integrity" comes into play.
Bruce as second ruck.

English will get killed at taps but can out-work NicNat around the ground.

Young didn't go over either.

[Happy Days]

We’re really gonna pick Schache again aren’t we.

[Mantis]

We’re really gonna pick Schache again aren’t we.

He deserves his opportunity.. it would be nice for him to play against a lesser opponent, but he is performing well at the lower level which you need to reward.

[soupman]

We’re really gonna pick Schache again aren’t we.

I'm torn. Like you I am less than convinced he is worth playing.

But also I hate it when we give players a contract and then refuse to play them.

If we think Schache (or Roarke, or Hayes, or Cavarra, or Khamis, or Sweet, or Young, or Hannan, or Jong etc.) is worthy of our spot on our list then when they do everything that is asked of them and perform well in their chosen role at VFL level then they should be picked. The decision as to whether or not they are good enough for us should not be made mid-season, but rather in the off season when we decide if we are going to retain them or not. The asterix on that is that this changes if they demonstrate during the season that they aren't as up to it as we thought/hoped. Schache's game this year was exactly what he has produced in the past, why was that good enough to give him a contract for this year but now is a reason not to give him a game when there is a clear role for him and he is the best performing candidate?

*I know the answer is that he's no good, but if we thought that then he wouldn't be on the list.

[Happy Days]

He deserves his opportunity.. it would be nice for him to play against a lesser opponent, but he is performing well at the lower level which you need to reward.

Maybe. But I don't want to. He's shocking and won't try if he doesn't win one of his first two or three contests, which he won't because he's shocking. This has been going on for three years now I'm so sick of it.

[EasternWest]

Maybe. But I don't want to. He's shocking and won't try if he doesn't win one of his first two or three contests, which he won't because he's shocking. This has been going on for three years now I'm so sick of it.

He was so putrid last time he played I put a line through him - and I really rated his talent before that.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice you can't get fooled again.

[Rocco Jones]

Maybe. But I don't want to. He's shocking and won't try if he doesn't win one of his first two or three contests, which he won't because he's shocking. This has been going on for three years now I'm so sick of it.

I don't see him as shocking and lacking effort. I think he isn't a typical tall forward, relies on a decent motor and skills. The issue is his confidence. I get the risk, I did not want him to play another game for us after Tigers. But I am with Mantis, we have to reward form in the VFL. Long game I think it's the approach to go with in general.

Schache hasn't just kicked goals in the VFL, he is doing the right things. Against Frankston, he stood up to physical intimidation. He looked a step above on Friday against a strong VFL team. I think he should be in but I won't die on that hill.

[Happy Days]

I don't see him as shocking and lacking effort. I think he isn't a typical tall forward, relies on a decent motor and skills. The issue is his confidence. I get the risk, I did not want him to play another game for us after Tigers. But I am with Mantis, we have to reward form in the VFL. Long game I think it's the approach to go with in general.

Schache hasn't just kicked goals in the VFL, he is doing the right things. Against Frankston, he stood up to physical intimidation. He looked a step above on Friday against a strong VFL team. I think he should be in but I won't die on that hill.

I don't know how you could come to another conclusion to be honest. He gave up against Collingwood in 2019, gave up against Carlton in 2020 and gave up against Richmond earlier this year. He's just not willing to work hard enough to play the role that his physical attributes demand of him.

[comrade]

If I had to choose between English as primary ruck with Hannan/Bruce as back up versus English as primary ruck with Schache/Bruce as back up, I'm choosing the latter. I hate it, but I hate it less than the former.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Anyone else think English has been poor since coming back? He wasn’t physical to begin with but seems even less so since the concussion. A bit spooked?

[Ghost Dog]

Josh is on our list and taking a spot. If he doesn't fit now, he never will.
May as well make this the acid test.

[1eyedog]

We’re really gonna pick Schache again aren’t we.

Well we could just leave Hannan in the side I suppose?

I had a lot of time for Schache but this is simply his final opportunity. He's actually lucky he's got one because I didn't see him playing again after the Richmond game, but it looks like he's been given a final chance. Five years in the system, 200cm tall, massive aerobic capacity, 55 games in, he needs to make a contribution.

Fail to perform and he'll be lost to us forever.

[MrMahatma]

I’d play Schache if he’s in form. He’s in form so play him. Mids need to kick to him. He’ll kick goals.

[Happy Days]

Well we could just leave Hannan in the side I suppose?

Why does one going out means the other comes in?

Seriously the result with Schache is just so predictable.

[Rocco Jones]

I don't know how you could come to another conclusion to be honest. He gave up against Collingwood in 2019, gave up against Carlton in 2020 and gave up against Richmond earlier this year. He's just not willing to work hard enough to play the role that his physical attributes demand of him.

I think he has been more physical and harder working in VFL. Let me get this straight, if we pick him, I will be nervous. Maybe you're right, it's hard to tell if it's confidence or effort, especially with his history.

[GVGjr]

If I had to choose between English as primary ruck with Hannan/Bruce as back up versus English as primary ruck with Schache/Bruce as back up, I'm choosing the latter. I hate it, but I hate it less than the former.

While I agree I'm just not convinced form and team balance are a high selection priority for us.

[1eyedog]

Why does one going out means the other comes in?

Seriously the result with Schache is just so predictable.

I'm working under the assumption that Naughton plays and Schache replaces Hannan so we still go out three talls with English in the ruck. If Naughton doesn't play and we have Schache and Hannan down there we'll struggle.

[Rocco Jones]

If I had to choose between English as primary ruck with Hannan/Bruce as back up versus English as primary ruck with Schache/Bruce as back up, I'm choosing the latter. I hate it, but I hate it less than the former.

I think we are in real trouble if Naughton can't play or is really hampered (unless Eagles don't get the guys expected to come back).

I'd see Schache is filling in whatever works around English and Bruce. If English is doing well-enough in the ruck, Schache stays forward. If Bruce and English both look dangerous alongside Naughts, Schache takes more time in the ruck. It's a bigger ground, which hopefully suits Schache's forward patterns (MCG didn't help, I know...).

[comrade]

While I agree I'm just not convinced form and team balance are a high selection priority for us.

It should be the highest priority, surely?

[Go_Dogs]

Nic Nat will play approx. 70% game time, so if we want to play English on Nic Nat, and rest Timmy on the bench / forward when Nic Nat is off, we need someone capable of spending 30% game time in the ruck.

If Sweet isn’t playing it’s probably Bruce / Schache as the best options. At least if Schache comes in we can try and keep their tall defenders accountable with always having at least 2 tall forwards on the field.

Plus agree with reward form.

I’d written Schache off after Richmond too. The fact he’s gone back and played well is good though - he hasn’t fallen in a heap and given up, he’s been resilient and gone back to work. Like that. Reward it.

[comrade]

Nic Nat will play approx. 70% game time, so if we want to play English on Nic Nat, and rest Timmy on the bench / forward when Nic Nat is off, we need someone capable of spending 30% game time in the ruck.

If Sweet isn’t playing it’s probably Bruce / Schache as the best options. At least if Schache comes in we can try and keep their tall defenders accountable with always having at least 2 tall forwards on the field.

Plus agree with reward form.

I’d written Schache off after Richmond too. The fact he’s gone back and played well is good though - he hasn’t fallen in a heap and given up, he’s been resilient and gone back to work. Like that. Reward it.

If Shaq does play, I hope we're smarter than last time and not leave him stranded on their best tall defender like we did with Balta. If Shaq goes to McGovern, we know Bevo is tanking this one.

[GVGjr]

It should be the highest priority, surely?

Our history over the last 3 years would suggest it hasn't been. I guess there is some sort of balance we work with.
Now if the playing group can accept that some players are automatic selections and others just have to bide their time until the call up then I guess we have to accept that as well.

I think it has the potential to deflate some players when they feel their hard work and effort isn't rewarded or acknowledged so I do feel it should be a high priority for selection.

[Rocco Jones]

If Shaq does play, I hope we're smarter than last time and not leave him stranded on their best tall defender like we did with Balta. If Shaq goes to McGovern, we know Bevo is tanking this one.

100%. I think for two reasons
1/ We need him to rotate around Chill/Juice's needs
2/ If he is struggling forward, giving him a feel of the game a bit

Clearly playing him isn't ideal. We would love a ruck to go with Nic Nat more. Or JUH to be there already. I think Sweet is a worse option but get what fans would prefer it.

[Rocco Jones]

Nic Nat will play approx. 70% game time, so if we want to play English on Nic Nat, and rest Timmy on the bench / forward when Nic Nat is off, we need someone capable of spending 30% game time in the ruck.

If Sweet isn’t playing it’s probably Bruce / Schache as the best options. At least if Schache comes in we can try and keep their tall defenders accountable with always having at least 2 tall forwards on the field.

Plus agree with reward form.

I’d written Schache off after Richmond too. The fact he’s gone back and played well is good though - he hasn’t fallen in a heap and given up, he’s been resilient and gone back to work. Like that. Reward it.

Ideally we have English spending as much of that 70% as logistically possible. If Shache is a liability forward, that'll need to change. Kills us especially against sides with a strong ability to get intercept marks.

[Bulldog Joe]

Ideally we have English spending as much of that 70% as logistically possible. If Shache is a liability forward, that'll need to change. Kills us especially against sides with a strong ability to get intercept marks.

Personally I would prefer English to ruck when NicNat isn't but we don't have anyone to oppose him.

Bevo could just as easily send Caleb into the ruck and have as much chance of winning a hitout.

[Rocco Jones]

Personally I would prefer English to ruck when NicNat isn't but we don't have anyone to oppose him.

Bevo could just as easily send Caleb into the ruck and have as much chance of winning a hitout.

Yeah I guess it isn't just about winning the hitout, it's how you compete to ensure NN doesn't get the easiest run at it. English is a great option around the ground but clearly hitouts are a weakness. Schache and Bruce need to compete as much as possible. With English, Bruce, Schache and hopefully Naughton up forward, I hope we can keep mids/small filling in to a minimum. If Bruce and Schache can't compete in the ruck, we probably have to give some time with a smaller option.

[bornadog]

I think Schache will only come in if Naughton is not ready to go

[Bulldog Joe]

Thinking about our ruck options against NicNat is not a pleasant way to spend time.

However, if we genuinely want to disrupt him we need someone who can leap without necessarily matching his bulk.

The only player on our list with the skill set is actually Aaron Naughton.

I know it won't happen and there would be a meltdown from fans, but I would send Naughton to NicNat and let him play on him everywhere he goes. He would make it more difficult than anyone we have and would also make Nic worry about him.

English can ruck when NicNat spells and we can still have Bruce and Schache as tall forwards.

[DOG GOD]

Thinking about our ruck options against NicNat is not a pleasant way to spend time.

However, if we genuinely want to disrupt him we need someone who can leap without necessarily matching his bulk.

The only player on our list with the skill set is actually Aaron Naughton.

I know it won't happen and there would be a meltdown from fans, but I would send Naughton to NicNat and let him play on him everywhere he goes. He would make it more difficult than anyone we have and would also make Nic worry about him.

English can ruck when NicNat spells and we can still have Bruce and Schache as tall forwards.

I like this thinking. Naughton has a pretty good tank and no way NN will be able to run with him. It won’t happen though.

I think Bevo will go in knowing NN will win every tap, and if he thinks English is a better option fwd, then I reckon that’s where he will play. Don’t be surprised if we see the likes of Hannan etc up against NN. Yep, it would not surprise me one bit.

[1eyedog]

Thinking about our ruck options against NicNat is not a pleasant way to spend time.

However, if we genuinely want to disrupt him we need someone who can leap without necessarily matching his bulk.

The only player on our list with the skill set is actually Aaron Naughton.

I know it won't happen and there would be a meltdown from fans, but I would send Naughton to NicNat and let him play on him everywhere he goes. He would make it more difficult than anyone we have and would also make Nic worry about him.

English can ruck when NicNat spells and we can still have Bruce and Schache as tall forwards.

Naughts in the ruck? Yeah nah. I mean it will probably happen.

Hang on, don't we need to provide ourselves with the best chance to kick goals? Isn't that Naughton?

Let someone else get beat up by NN.

I'm melting aren't I!

[comrade]

Naughton in ruck?

https://i.ibb.co/dmCqxd7/4EHG0FT.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[Bulldog Joe]

Naughts in the ruck? Yeah nah. I mean it will probably happen.

Hang on, don't we need to provide ourselves with the best chance to kick goals? Isn't that Naughton?

Let someone else get beat up by NN.

I'm melting aren't I!

I know it won't happen, but the best way to win matches is not to concede first possession to your opposition. With our expected ruck set up it won't matter who we keep forward, because they will mostly be spectators.

I hope I'm wrong but Tim English is not competitive enough to be any threat to NicNat.

[MrMahatma]

Does Martin not flying prevent him from showing up later this week and playing?

[bornadog]

Does Martin not flying prevent him from showing up later this week and playing?

How do we know he didn't fly?

I think he may play:


Ruckman Stefan Martin is also expected to be available to play this week, after being a late withdrawal on Friday night.

“He was close to playing but didn’t quite tick all our boxes in the final fitness test,” Bell said.


“Stef will return to training this week and if he gets through like I expect, he’ll return to availability.”

[azabob]

Does Martin not flying prevent him from showing up later this week and playing?

Because of quarantine requirements

[The bulldog tragician]

Naughton in ruck?

https://i.ibb.co/dmCqxd7/4EHG0FT.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

110 kg of Nic Nat crashing into Naughton’s sore ribs :D

[ratsmac]

English needs to grow up in the ruck. We know he has played the forward role well and played well as a mobile tall around the ground. But it's time he takes a scalp in the actual 1st ruck role. The team needs it! He has the tools he just for some reason can't get his hand on the ball in rucking contests. I think his problem is all between the ears. Nic Nat is probably the most formidable ruckman in the comp so if English can halve contests and just do enough to stop NN from having it all his own way, it will go a long way to helping us win and also give him the confidence to establish himself as a genuine ruckman. We aren't asking English to give NN a flogging but just to be competitive with him. I won't be holding my breath for this to happen this week but come on Chilli, give us something.

If Martin doesn't play a lot rests on English's shoulders and the time is nigh.

[Rocco Jones]

Naughton in ruck?

https://i.ibb.co/dmCqxd7/4EHG0FT.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

Lol. Yeah I am into alternative ruck options but not that one.

[Eastdog]

Hopefully Martin comes back soon. The ruck problem. Yeah still a big issue for us. I hope English can have a top game. There was one game last year he was fantastic. Just needs to be more consistent.

[KT31]

Ruckman Stefan Martin is also expected to be available to play this week, after being a late withdrawal on Friday night.

“He was close to playing but didn’t quite tick all our boxes in the final fitness test,” Bell said.

“Stef will return to training this week and if he gets through like I expect, he’ll return to availability.”

Quite confusing that this was posted on the Bulldogs website a couple of hours ago, is there a loophole we can still fly a player up?

[jeemak]

He was so putrid last time he played I put a line through him - and I really rated his talent before that.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice you can't get fooled again.

In the footsteps of greatness we tread......

[jeemak]

It should be the highest priority, surely?

I think what he means is his view of form and team balance isn't being matched with selection.

[GVGjr]

Ruckman Stefan Martin is also expected to be available to play this week, after being a late withdrawal on Friday night.

“He was close to playing but didn’t quite tick all our boxes in the final fitness test,” Bell said.

“Stef will return to training this week and if he gets through like I expect, he’ll return to availability.”

Quite confusing that this was posted on the Bulldogs website a couple of hours ago, is there a loophole we can still fly a player up?

Or could he be saying he could be available to play...for Footscray?

[1eyedog]

I know it won't happen, but the best way to win matches is not to concede first possession to your opposition. With our expected ruck set up it won't matter who we keep forward, because they will mostly be spectators.

I hope I'm wrong but Tim English is not competitive enough to be any threat to NicNat.

It should be avoided at all costs. We need Naughton to be injury free for the rest of the year and putting him in the ruck against NN in the hope that he can nullify him enough to give us a chance of winning one game is too high risk as far as our season is concerned.

I see what you're getting at and agree that if Martin doesn't play we're stuffed (we may be stuffed even if he does play), but I reckon Stevo has neglected the 'Martin being present detail', and he was actually on that plane.

[1eyedog]

Or could he be saying he could be available to play...for Footscray?

If Stefan Martin plays VFL this week I'll do a Lou Richards to Ted Whitten bet that he won't and if I lose I'll come over to your house and do your lawn with nail clippers.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I think Bevo will go in knowing NN will win every tap, and if he thinks English is a better option fwd, then I reckon that’s where he will play. Don’t be surprised if we see the likes of Hannan etc up against NN. Yep, it would not surprise me one bit.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Young have a crack at Nic Nat. He will burn him across the ground and could also go forward and stretch them.

[bornadog]

Ruckman Stefan Martin is also expected to be available to play this week, after being a late withdrawal on Friday night.

“He was close to playing but didn’t quite tick all our boxes in the final fitness test,” Bell said.

“Stef will return to training this week and if he gets through like I expect, he’ll return to availability.”

Quite confusing that this was posted on the Bulldogs website a couple of hours ago, is there a loophole we can still fly a player up?

Well no one can confirm whether he flew up...... maybe separately

[KT31]

Well no one can confirm whether he flew up.

That would have really tested his shoulder.:D:D

Ba-Dum Tish : I’m here all week, try the veal.

[boydogs]

Schache is a 4th quarter specialist with his fitness coming to the fore

Just need someone to insult his girlfriend or something to make him physical at the start

[Axe Man]

Schache is a 4th quarter specialist with his fitness coming to the fore

Just need someone to insult his girlfriend or something to make him physical at the start

https://i.postimg.cc/sXKPYZGx/waterboy-quotes-22.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mjp]

Examples would help.

Cool.

Rd 21 2015 - 77 point loss.
Rd 18 2018 - 54 point loss.
Rd 11 2019 - 61 point loss.

It's harder to tank against Freo because they are generally terrible and 4x easy points...but if ever a player needs a rest they simply don't get on the plane. I think he figures the chances of winning are diminished so why not save them for another day?

I've commented on this before. Team selection can be hard to follow but team selection in Perth can be REALLY hard to follow!

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Young have a crack at Nic Nat. He will burn him across the ground and could also ho forward and stretch them.

Young and English appeals as the best option but cannot see it happening.

[MrMahatma]

Cool.

Rd 21 2015 - 77 point loss.
Rd 18 2018 - 54 point loss.
Rd 11 2019 - 61 point loss.

It's harder to tank against Freo because they are generally terrible and 4x easy points...but if ever a player needs a rest they simply don't get on the plane. I think he figures the chances of winning are diminished so why not save them for another day?

I've commented on this before. Team selection can be hard to follow but team selection in Perth can be REALLY hard to follow!

You genuinely think Bevo says “this will be tough… why bother, let’s save the best squad for next week”

[DOG GOD]

One thing that Schache has to offer is a good tank. Bevo will know we have no one in the ruck that will contend with Nic Nat. Not even English. So who is better fwd, English or Schache ?. I say English. So we have our 3 headed monster if Naughton gets up. Schache takes the ruck duties and runs Nic Nat off his feet. One thing NN doesn’t do well is defend, so Schache needs to exploit that. Give Josh a run around the ground. Let him utilise what he’s best at. Great tank, and quality field kicking skills. Even his marking, when not on 2 opponents just might come to the fore. We HAVE to make NN accountable away from the centre bounce. Schache might be the best chance of this.

[Bulldog Joe]

You genuinely think Bevo says “this will be tough… why bother, let’s save the best squad for next week”

We have seen it happen and not just in Perth.

Also happened round 18 2015 against Brisbane.

It also happened in Launceston in round 3 2015.

[Topdog]

We have seen it happen and not just in Perth.

Also happened round 18 2015 against Brisbane.

It also happened in Launceston in round 3 2015.

Yep and Bevo and the Dogs certainly aren't on our own.

[bornadog]

One thing that Schache has to offer is a good tank. Bevo will know we have no one in the ruck that will contend with Nic Nat. Not even English. So who is better fwd, English or Schache ?. I say English. So we have our 3 headed monster if Naughton gets up. Schache takes the ruck duties and runs Nic Nat off his feet. One thing NN doesn’t do well is defend, so Schache needs to exploit that. Give Josh a run around the ground. Let him utilise what he’s best at. Great tank, and quality field kicking skills. Even his marking, when not on 2 opponents just might come to the fore. We HAVE to make NN accountable away from the centre bounce. Schache might be the best chance of this.

One of the best games Schache played was in early 2019 against the Hawks at the G. He kicked 3 or 4 goals and all when he was second ruck. I found him much better as a second ruck that day than as a FF. I have a feeling he did the same at Ballarat that year.

[DOG GOD]

One of the best games Schache played was in early 2019 against the Hawks at the G. He kicked 3 or 4 goals and all when he was second ruck. I found him much better as a second ruck that day than as a FF. I have a feeling he did the same at Ballarat that year.

Absolutely. Josh needs to be moving and needs to be involved. We need to use him as a link and he could be damaging with his kicking.

[MrMahatma]

We have seen it happen and not just in Perth.

Also happened round 18 2015 against Brisbane.

It also happened in Launceston in round 3 2015.

To confirm, are you (and MJP) suggesting this is happening this week?

[Bulldog Joe]

To confirm, are you (and MJP) suggesting this is happening this week?

I am certainly hoping it doesn't.

[G-Mo77]

Well no one can confirm whether he flew up...... maybe separately

He's not going over. If he plays it's likely to be VFL which makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

[GVGjr]

If Stefan Martin plays VFL this week I'll do a Lou Richards to Ted Whitten bet that he won't and if I lose I'll come over to your house and do your lawn with nail clippers.


He's not going over. If he plays it's likely to be VFL which makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Perplexing isn't it?
Perhaps he needs to play 2 or 3 quarters before returning into the senior side

[ratsmac]

Perplexing isn't it?
Perhaps he needs to play 2 or 3 quarters before returning into the senior side

He has missed a heap of football when you think about it. He's played 2 quarters since he got injured in round 7 against Richmond

[comrade]

He has missed a heap of football when you think about it. He's played 2 quarters since he got injured in round 7 against Richmond

VFL is going to be lit on Saturday, our two best ruckman might be playing!

[Happy Days]

VFL is going to be lit on Saturday, our two best ruckman might be playing!

Our best ruckman is Bont though.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Our best ruckman is Bont though.

Third man up.

[comrade]

Third man up.

We'd win the flag in a canter if that rule was still allowed :(

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Young and English appeals as the best option but cannot see it happening.

Never say never. I recon it’s a chance this week as Bevo has been on a roll. It’s season defining this week so he will pull out all stops

[bornadog]

Never say never. I recon it’s a chance this week as Bevo has been on a roll. It’s season defining this week so he will pull out all stops

I don't think Young has made the trip

[Axe Man]

Never say never. I recon it’s a chance this week as Bevo has been on a roll. It’s season defining this week so he will pull out all stops

You can say never this week since Young wasn’t on the plane.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I don't think Young has made the trip

Ahh I see now why all of the Woofers in the no are suggesting we play the Shack

[bornadog]

Ahh I see now why all of the Woofers in the no are suggesting we play the Shack

Schack is in Perth.

[boydogs]

One of the best games Schache played was in early 2019 against the Hawks at the G. He kicked 3 or 4 goals and all when he was second ruck. I found him much better as a second ruck that day than as a FF. I have a feeling he did the same at Ballarat that year.

He lead the comeback against Hawthorn in the last quarter when he kicked most of his goals, but again, that was the last quarter

[dog town]

Martin would be incredibly underdone so not surprising they are plugging him back into vfl first. I think it’s now been a half of footy in 8 weeks and he wouldn’t have been able to lift his arm above his head for the last 3 weeks. You can play with some shoulder injuries but training can be an issue when you’re managing them.

[Bulldog4life]

If Stefan Martin plays VFL this week I'll do a Lou Richards to Ted Whitten bet that he won't and if I lose I'll come over to your house and do your lawn with nail clippers.

I was there that day too.

[mjp]

You genuinely think Bevo says “this will be tough… why bother, let’s save the best squad for next week”

Yes.

[mjp]

To confirm, are you (and MJP) suggesting this is happening this week?

I’m saying when it comes to team selection for games in Perth nothing would surprise me.

[kruder]

Did anyone see Richards over in Perth?

I haven't heard any news on Mclean either?

[comrade]

Did anyone see Richards over in Perth?

I haven't heard any news on Mclean either?

It has been reported by multiple journos that Richards made the trip along with Schache, Garcia and the 23 that played last week (which includes McLean).

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Current forecast in Perth for Sunday is for 95% chance of rain, 15 to 20mm and the chance of storms.......

[bornadog]

Current forecast in Perth for Sunday is for 95% chance of rain, 15 to 20mm and the chance of storms.......

great

[1eyedog]

Current forecast in Perth for Sunday is for 95% chance of rain, 15 to 20mm and the chance of storms.......

Looking forward to seeing a continuation of the long-sleeves action.

[Happy Days]

Sick no Schache then.

[DOG GOD]

Current forecast in Perth for Sunday is for 95% chance of rain, 15 to 20mm and the chance of storms.......

Exactly what we need.

[bornadog]

Exactly what we need.

Garcia should come in

[azabob]

Exactly what we need.

I'm not sure if you are serious or not!

[DOG GOD]

I'm not sure if you are serious or not!
Why? Rain will help us curb the aerial dominance of Kennedy/darling/Allen/barrass/McGovern/Nic Nat and give us a better chance.

[DOG GOD]

Garcia should come in
I agree

[1eyedog]

Why? Rain will help us curb the Ariel dominance of Kennedy/darling/Allen/barrass/McGovern/Nic Nat and give us a better chance.

Its true. Mermaids love water.

[DOG GOD]

Its true. Mermaids love water.

Damn autocorrect ;)

[jeemak]

Damn autocorrect ;)

The bane of every The Little Mermaid enthusiast I'm sure. ;)

[jeemak]

I've completely fried my brain thinking about the ruck situation and I've resolved not to worry about it anymore, in the hope we'll just manage whatever is thrown at us by a committed midfield performance.

It if it is going to be wet then we have to leave out Schache. I'm not against playing him at all, but I don't want to play him in a game where the odds are already stacked against him.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Nic Nat will still be fearsome in the wet.
Do a Keath and let him take it and tackle or obstruct.

[Rocco Jones]

Nic Nat chat on here resembles kids on Elm Street chatting about Freddy.

[bornadog]

In: Richards, Garcia Schache,
outs nil at this stage

[azabob]

ROUND 15 SQUAD

West Coast Eagles v Western Bulldogs
Sunday 27 June, 1.20pm AWST / 3.20pm AEST
Optus Stadium

B: Ryan Gardner, Alex Keath, Bailey Williams
HB: Taylor Duryea, Zaine Cordy, Bailey Dale
C: Caleb Daniel, Tom Liberatore, Lachie Hunter
HF: Jason Johannisen, Aaron Naughton, Cody Weightman
F: Anthony Scott, Josh Bruce, Marcus Bontempelli
R: Tim English, Jack Macrae, Bailey Smith
Ext int: Mitch Wallis, Hayden Crozier, Josh Schache, Toby McLean, Ed Richards, Mitch Hannan, Roarke Smith, Riley Garcia

[1eyedog]

I'd select Garcia, Wallis, McLean and Smith on the bench. Going to be wet.

[The Adelaide Connection]

West Coast’s ‘ins’ read:
Vardy
Petruccelle
McGovern
Shuey
Sheppard

Not ideal, I wouldn’t have thought.

[jeemak]

West Coast’s ‘ins’ read:
Vardy
Petruccelle
McGovern
Shuey
Sheppard

Not ideal, I wouldn’t have thought.

What's the concern? The height or the quality in McGovern and Shuey?

[Bullies]

West Coast’s ‘ins’ read:
Vardy
Petruccelle
McGovern
Shuey
Sheppard

Not ideal, I wouldn’t have thought. I think you forgot Kelly

[The Adelaide Connection]

What's the concern? The height or the quality in McGovern and Shuey?

McGovern, Shuey and, as below, I also forgot Kelly. Vardy coming in as a second ruck when our second ruck is playing first ruck also doesn’t bode well.

WC would have to be pretty much at full compliment with these ins. I wasn’t confident beating them before (with the Perth factor and that forward line), but now I am more than a bit concerned. Hopefully it’s just bulldog brand anxiety induced pessimism.

[MrMahatma]

McGovern, Shuey and, as below, I also forgot Kelly. Vardy coming in as a second ruck when our second ruck is playing first ruck also doesn’t bode well.

WC would have to be pretty much at full compliment with these ins. I wasn’t confident beating them before (with the Perth factor and that forward line), but now I am more than a bit concerned. Hopefully it’s just bulldog brand anxiety induced pessimism.

Meh. Our players are better than their players.

We’ll win.

[jeemak]

McGovern, Shuey and, as below, I also forgot Kelly. Vardy coming in as a second ruck when our second ruck is playing first ruck also doesn’t bode well.

WC would have to be pretty much at full compliment with these ins. I wasn’t confident beating them before (with the Perth factor and that forward line), but now I am more than a bit concerned. Hopefully it’s just bulldog brand anxiety induced pessimism.

Even though some of our losses have been a bit shattering, I genuinely believe we're a better side than we were last time we faced WCE. We're an evolving mix of players and spots have been hard fought for with very high turnover. If we play Richards this week that leaves Hayes, Jamarra, and Bedendo as the only players we haven't played this year and that's completely insane for a side sitting second on the ladder, and says to me we are getting confident in who we can put on the table at any time against anyone.

As I said above, I don't really care about the ruck side of things. If our midfield shows up we nullify it, and if we all play our role we'll make it really hard for any team because irrespective of some weaknesses in defence, the way we stop opposition movement is excellent over the course of a game because of the system we deploy.

We win this game and we are two of four in a segment of the season I thought we'd be one of four, and still making the top two. Brisbane winning tonight was fantastic for us, I can't wait to see how we bring it to the table this week.

[Bulldog4life]

Yep it is WC who should be worried.

[Mantis]

Even though some of our losses have been a bit shattering, I genuinely believe we're a better side than we were last time we faced WCE. We're an evolving mix of players and spots have been hard fought for with very high turnover. If we play Richards this week that leaves Hayes, Jamarra, and Bedendo as the only players we haven't played this year and that's completely insane for a side sitting second on the ladder, and says to me we are getting confident in who we can put on the table at any time against anyone.


I have us a better team when at full strength, but given WC will add Yeo & Shuey to their midfield and we lose Dunkley, Treloar & Martin from ours from our last clash you would think the odds are weighted heavily in WC's favour to get the better of us?

[mjp]

Even though some of our losses have been a bit shattering, I genuinely believe we're a better side than we were last time we faced WCE.

Last time we had Martin, Dunks and Treloar. And Naughton who I don't think will play Sunday.

I'm just not sure how you can say that. I know there is water under the bridge and form and all sorts but we were like - really (REALLY) good in the last 20 mins of that game and had other periods of total dominance...we also kicked the ball to McGovern a bit so there's that I guess. Then again, a couple of weeks back we kicked it to Lever and last week we kicked it to Stewart.

[mjp]

I have us a better team when at full strength, but given WC will add Yeo & Shuey to their midfield and we lose Dunkley, Treloar & Martin from ours from our last clash you would think the odds are weighted heavily in WC's favour to get the better of us?

LOL - My post was like, 1 minute later...sorry mate!

[1eyedog]

I'm not overly fussed about this game. I agree with the above, they are much closer to full strength than we are, and when you're talking about a a game in Perth against a team well-entrenched in the 8, and you're missing 3 players from your top 10 and they're not, you're really on the back foot.

Bevo not bringing Martin, and likely taking a conservative approach with Naughton, suggests that we feel it may be better to keep our powder dry with this one. I wouldn't be surprised if Bont and Libba also play reduced minutes, but we'll see.

The test for our top 4 aspirations starts as of next week. We've got Norf, the Swans at Marvel, the Suns and Adelaide in Ballarat leading into the Melbourne game at the G. We must win those 4 games starting next week, we then enter the Melbourne game with hopefully no additional injuries and likely Dunkley and perhaps Treloar back.

If Martin stays fit we are at full strength for the final three games against Hawthorn, Essendon and Port at Marvel. After this week we should be looking at 7 wins and that's if we lose to Melbourne, which I don't think we will. And remember Melbourne have a horror run home. They have us, Port in Adelaide, WC in Perth and Geelong at Junky stadium.

We are aiming for two finals in Melbourne. Win the first we have a Melbourne Prelim.

Easier said than done I know.

[jeemak]

I meant that more along the lines of how we play rather than personnel, I mean without those two we nearly knocked off what was the form team of the competition at their shitty home ground.

For some reason I'm excited about what we can do this week, but am also fully prepared to be knocked back to reality!

[Rocco Jones]

Listening to Bevo's presser, I think he is pretty honest about selections.

- Seems like no change. Spoke about Schache, Richards and Garcia as 'back ups'. Only in if someone is sore.
- Stef seems to be having a few different issues with his body, his groin being the latest. If he plays VFL, seems like it'll be reduced as Bevo mentioned him being weeks away.
- Sweet's problems with Gawn seem pretty present in MC's mind. Trying to focus on our strengths rather than patching up a weakness. I agree that playing Sweet would be unwise this week.
- Naughts good to go.
- Playing a taller backline as part of long game approach.

[bulldogtragic]

I don’t think Stef is around next year. Achilles, shoulder, groin and other issues. Hopefully we can just get 6 games straight from him later in the year. If he’s aware Sweet has a while to go, hopefully that means we are chasing a good ruck hard.

[comrade]

Bevo has fallen back into bad habits with the ruck, using one game as evidence that a player isn't worthy of picking any more.

[Rocco Jones]

Bevo has fallen back into bad habits with the ruck, using one game as evidence that a player isn't worthy of picking any more.

Yeah it's a hard one. I definitely get not going with Stef. Think he is a huge risk of breaking down during a game and in terms of getting him cherry ripe for finals, I would prefer to give him monitored minutes in the VFL.

I hear you re: playing an actual ruck but to be honest I do not see the difference between Sweet and small options vs Nic Nat as huge. I really do not like either option.

[comrade]

Yeah it's a hard one. I definitely get not going with Stef. Think he is a huge risk of breaking down during a game and in terms of getting him cherry ripe for finals, I would prefer to give him monitored minutes in the VFL.

I hear you re: playing an actual ruck but to be honest I do not see the difference between Sweet and small options vs Nic Nat as huge. I really do not like either option.

Maybe not this particular game, especially against such a monster in the wet. But last week against Ratugolea and Blicavs?

[Rocco Jones]

I don’t think Stef is around next year. Achilles, shoulder, groin and other issues. Hopefully we can just get 6 games straight from him later in the year. If he’s aware Sweet has a while to go, hopefully that means we are chasing a good ruck hard.

Yep. Having a mature ruck who can play is huge for us. I am with comrade (I think it's him) in really wanting a physical ruck, would compliment English well.

[Rocco Jones]

Maybe not this particular game, especially against such a monster in the wet. But last week against Ratugolea and Blicavs?

Yeah, I agree with that. Sweet did struggle vs Stanley though...

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. I hated having Dunks and co. in the ruck last year and have wanted English forward for ages. I just see the ruck selection this week as understandable.

[Rocco Jones]

Sorry for posting 3 times in a row. My issue isn't so much the ruck. The biggest reason I would want Sweet in is to have English forward.

[comrade]

Yeah, I agree with that. Sweet did struggle vs Stanley though...

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. I hated having Dunks and co. in the ruck last year and have wanted English forward for ages. I just see the ruck selection this week as understandable.

It's not so much Sweet would dominate in the ruck and give us great looks, it means English can stay forward, it means Bruce isn't taken out of the forward line, Macrae isn't getting bashed the 4 or 5 times he has to take one for the team.

We lost last week at the selection table.

[Axe Man]

Naughton to face Eagles (https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/963949/naughton-to-face-eagles?fbclid=IwAR2SPPIwzo7oCKGYWGBYSA3Xygi_DzU6v_v5_XoNJb-65-fpWCfHWMIKAy4)

Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge has confirmed key forward Aaron Naughton will play against West Coast, having overcome a rib injury.

Naughton was subbed out of the Dogs' heartbreaking loss to Geelong after colliding with Jed Bews when contesting a ball on the half-time siren.

"He's good, he recovered really well," Beveridge said.

"He had a scan quickly after the game and thankfully that came up all clear. He's trained and he'll play on Sunday, he'll be fine."

Josh Schache is on standby as the sole tall emergency, with the Dogs having only taken an additional three players (Ed Richards and Riley Garcia the others) to the 23 who took on the Cats.

The team has been staying in Joondalup this week, able to leave only for training at WAFL club West Perth and Optus Stadium, as well as the game itself. They'll return to Melbourne immediately after the match against the Eagles on Sunday.

Beveridge said the Bulldogs were wary of the impact in-form ruck Nic Naitanui could have on the match, considering his strong finish to the match against Richmond and the fact the Dogs only have one recognised ruck in Tim English.

Stef Martin did not make the trip to Perth, finishing his recovery from a shoulder issue, but Beveridge said has since picked up a groin complaint at training.

"We've just got to be smart about it from a coaching point of view. You don't concede, but you understand where the vulnerability might be. We've watched him tear apart other really experienced ruckmen, so you expect Nic will have a big influence on the game at the stoppages," Beveridge said.

"I thought he finished off his game as well as he has all year against Richmond, and he played more game time in that last quarter than perhaps what we've seen.

"So, we understand what we're coming up against, we'll need to organise ourselves and be ready for the stoppage aspect, then away from that, we need to work out where we'll get our advantages and how we support Tim in the ruck.

"We saw what Max Gawn did to us against Melbourne with young 'Sweety' (Jordon Sweet), who's still learning the caper, we've got to make some decisions around that position at selection and see where we can get some advantages elsewhere.

"So unfortunately, we're probably where we were last year with all that, at the moment, not ideal, but we just have to tackle it."

[Rocco Jones]

It's not so much Sweet would dominate in the ruck and give us great looks, it means English can stay forward, it means Bruce isn't taken out of the forward line, Macrae isn't getting bashed the 4 or 5 times he has to take one for the team.

Yep. I guess issue is around the ground stuff. I definitely agree having English forward is an advantage.

I think Bevo doesn't want this scenario but really doesn't trust Sweet. Maybe next week against North we can give him another go. Really, really want a decent mature ruck who can play more than 8 games next year...

[comrade]

Yep. I guess issue is around the ground stuff. I definitely agree having English forward is an advantage.

I think Bevo doesn't want this scenario but really doesn't trust Sweet. Maybe next week against North we can give him another go. Really, really want a decent mature ruck who can play more than 8 games next year...

I think we've seen the last of Sweet this year.

[Rocco Jones]

I think we've seen the last of Sweet this year.

I agree that Bevo can lean on the one game/affirmation bias thing. Thing is though, I thought Sweet was poor in the VFL last week. I hope Bevo keeps an open mind but also, Sweet has to be performing at VFL level.

[comrade]

I agree that Bevo can lean on the one game/affirmation bias thing. Thing is though, I thought Sweet was poor in the VFL last week. I hope Bevo keeps an open mind but also, Sweet has to be performing at VFL level.

He was pretty much rucking one out against Stanley and Fort, 2 mature guys. He's not offering a heap around the ground, but it's the structure he helps provide that helps the most. We're not winning a flag with English and Bruce/Hannan/Macrae as our rucks.

[Rocco Jones]

He was pretty much rucking one out against Stanley and Fort, 2 mature guys. He's not offering a heap around the ground, but it's the structure he helps provide that helps the most. We're not winning a flag with English and Bruce/Hannan/Macrae as our rucks.

Yeah, I think our ceiling with Sweet in is higher.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Martin is surely done after this year.

Badly need to find another ruck (and key defender) going into 2022.

[Mofra]

Yeah, I agree with that. Sweet did struggle vs Stanley though...

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. I hated having Dunks and co. in the ruck last year and have wanted English forward for ages. I just see the ruck selection this week as understandable.
Ditto.

And I think a mature ruck is priority at the trade table no 1.

[Mantis]

He was pretty much rucking one out against Stanley and Fort, 2 mature guys. He's not offering a heap around the ground, but it's the structure he helps provide that helps the most. We're not winning a flag with English and Bruce/Hannan/Macrae as our rucks.

We should've beaten the most inform team at their own ''unique'' ground using this model and whilst it's probably not the ideal set-up I think we are effectively playing 1 short with Sweet playing ruck against the very best teams given what we've seen thus far.

[comrade]

We should've been the most inform team at their own ''unique'' ground using this model and whilst it's probably not the ideal set-up I think we are effectively playing 1 short with Sweet playing ruck against the very best teams given what we've seen thus far.

We should have won in spite of it, not because of it.

[Mantis]

We should have won in spite of it, not because of it.

Maybe, but no use carrying a ruck just to help other areas when those other areas might not actually be better with the structure you end up with.... and the ruck doesn't really help you play any better.

English has had 1 really good game as a pure forward and been a mixture of poor and ok at other times so I'm not yet convinced that our team looks best with English as forward/ruck... but given the injuries to all it hasn't been used as often as we would've liked.

[Happy Days]

Sweet wasn’t just bad against Melbourne; his performances beforehand were really uninspiring and he looked totally lost much of the time between ruck contests. Of course I’d prefer that we had a stronger ruck division but I get why we aren’t picking him.

[comrade]

Sweet wasn’t just bad against Melbourne; his performances beforehand were really uninspiring and he looked totally lost much of the time between ruck contests. Of course I’d prefer that we had a stronger ruck division but I get why we aren’t picking him.

He didn't look totally lost in any game besides the Melbourne game, against the best in the business. English has had a handful of genuinely good games as a stand alone ruckman in 5 years.

[Happy Days]

He didn't look totally lost in any game besides the Melbourne game, against the best in the business. English has had a handful of genuinely good games as a stand alone ruckman in 5 years.

Nothing was as outrightly bad as the Dees game, but I thought he was soundly beaten and struggled to get involved against the Saints, and generally lacks seasoning to get involved between stoppages where he can use his pretty nice skills. The only game he contributed positively for mine was the Suns game up against a couple of carpentry apprentices.

[comrade]

Nothing was as outrightly bad as the Dees game, but I thought he was soundly beaten and struggled to get involved against the Saints, and generally lacks seasoning to get involved between stoppages where he can use his pretty nice skills. The only game he contributed positively for mine was the Suns game up against a couple of carpentry apprentices.

He was fine against Port on the road, neutralised Ryder against the Saints who brutalised English the year before and had a stinker against the Demons along with about 20 of his mates.

If English plays as our solo ruck for the remainder of the year, it's over.

[Happy Days]

He was fine against Port on the road, neutralised Ryder against the Saints who brutalised English the year before and had a stinker against the Demons along with about 20 of his mates.

If English plays as our solo ruck for the remainder of the year, it's over.

Probably, but;

One thing I have considered is that Nic Nat annihilated Martin last time and almost won the game. To be honest, can it get any worse?

[comrade]

Probably, but;

One thing I have considered is that Nic Nat annihilated Martin last time and almost won the game. To be honest, can it get any worse?

Well, Martin playing meant we had a decent forward structure with Naughton, Bruce and English which is kind of my point ;)

[Mantis]

He was fine against Port on the road, neutralised Ryder against the Saints who brutalised English the year before and had a stinker against the Demons along with about 20 of his mates.

If English plays as our solo ruck for the remainder of the year, it's over.

Ryder isn't going anywhere near as well now as he was last year so it's not a fair comparison.

Port didn't have their main ruck in, but Ladhams was still much more influential than Sweet... and GC had no-one in over 6'3".

If Martin is cooked then we potentially play Sweet in games where we are heavily favoured to win which allows English to play forward (and saves his body) and then make judgement call come finals time on if we think Sweet can help or hinder our performance.

[bornadog]

If Martin is cooked then we potentially play Sweet in games where we are heavily favoured to win which allows English to play forward (and saves his body) and then make judgement call come finals time on if we think Sweet can help or hinder our performance.

I think this will be the scenario and will also give Sweet some experience.

[Mantis]

Well, Martin playing meant we had a decent forward structure with Naughton, Bruce and English which is kind of my point ;)

English kicked 1 goal from 4 marks so was the benefit all that great? If he had taken 7 or 8 marks and kicked 2-3 goals then I'd agree, but English playing forward didn't help us win the WC game.

[comrade]

English kicked 1 goal from 4 marks so was the benefit all that great? If he had taken 7 or 8 marks and kicked 2-3 goals then I'd agree, but English playing forward didn't help us win the WC game.

Bruce kicked goals, and wasn't required to ruck at all. English's presence also allows Naughton to get more one on ones. It's a flow on effect that impacts other areas of the game.

Like last week, the MC couldn't have known Naughton goes down but he did, and because we rolled the dice and went smaller, we lost all marking targets when English was resting and Bruce was in the ruck.

The days of going in with only 1 ruck are over unless they are absolute monsters. English isn't anything close to that.

[Mantis]

Bruce kicked goals, and wasn't required to ruck at all. English's presence also allows Naughton to get more one on ones. It's a flow on effect that impacts other areas of the game.

Like last week, the MC couldn't have known Naughton goes down but he did, and because we rolled the dice and went smaller, we lost all marking targets when English was resting and Bruce was in the ruck.

The days of going in with only 1 ruck are over unless they are absolute monsters. English isn't anything close to that.

On last week I though our forward line functioned better in the 2nd half when Naughton was on the bench so there's that... and to be fair Bruce was only in the ruck for the centre hit-outs and as soon as this part of the game was done he went forward with Hannan & Macrae taking over the ruck duties as the ''follower''. I don't think this tactic cost us too dearly and whilst it might not be sustainable it was pretty effective against Geelong.

[Axe Man]

I'm less worried about the structural issues of taking Tim away from the forward line this week given how wet it is supposed to be. Odds would be pretty generous on him having much of an influence forward in the expected conditions.

[comrade]

On last week I though our forward line functioned better in the 2nd half when Naughton was on the bench so there's that... and to be fair Bruce was only in the ruck for the centre hit-outs and as soon as this part of the game was done he went forward with Hannan & Macrae taking over the ruck duties as the ''follower''. I don't think this tactic cost us too dearly and whilst it might not be sustainable it was pretty effective against Geelong.

We shall see and I hope I'm wrong and English has a blinder, taking marks around the ground and running NN ragged in a performance that helps us win with Hannan and Bruce chipping in to give us an edge while NN is off but I don't think it'll happen.

[bornadog]

We shall see and I hope I'm wrong and English has a blinder, taking marks around the ground and running NN ragged in a performance that helps us win with Hannan and Bruce chipping in to give us an edge while NN is off but I don't think it'll happen.

Tim didn't take a mark last week and didn't look comfortable/confident going for the mark.

Hopefully he has a better game this week.

[comrade]

Tim didn't take a mark last week and didn't look comfortable/confident going for the mark.

Hopefully he has a better game this week.

Yeah, I don't see where we have any edge with English going head to head with NN, especially if it rains as much as expected taking away his marking (which was woeful last week anyway). But Bevo knows best.

[Scraggers]

I'm really hoping that the team are peeved that they have had to stay locked up all week and take their aggression towards the WA Government out on the WCE. I'm looking forward to the game, mostly as I get to go, but also as I think it will be a great game. Talk around here is that Shuey, Kelly and McGovern are underdone but who knows. Shuey played WAFL last week and had 22 disposals and looked fit, so I doubt hes underdone.

[bornadog]

I'm really hoping that the team are peeved that they have had to stay locked up all week and take their aggression towards the WA Government out on the WCE. I'm looking forward to the game, mostly as I get to go, but also as I think it will be a great game. Talk around here is that Shuey, Kelly and McGovern are underdone but who knows. Shuey played WAFL last week and had 22 disposals and looked fit, so I doubt hes underdone.

What is the weather like Scraggers?

[jeemak]

I'm really hoping that the team are peeved that they have had to stay locked up all week and take their aggression towards the WA Government out on the WCE. I'm looking forward to the game, mostly as I get to go, but also as I think it will be a great game. Talk around here is that Shuey, Kelly and McGovern are underdone but who knows. Shuey played WAFL last week and had 22 disposals and looked fit, so I doubt hes underdone.

Enjoy the game bud!

[Scraggers]

What is the weather like Scraggers?

Right now it is 21 and sunny ... Sunday looms as storms; 17 and 95% chance of 20mm. I'm sitting in level 3 though. Level 3 is both good and bad. Good as you don't get the weather. Bad as there are no stores on that level. You have to go down stairs for a beer or a pie.

[Scraggers]

Enjoy the game bud!

Cheers ... taking my son. He said to me last night "Do I wear my Bulldog gear dad?" I said is that even a question? Of course you do; wear it proudly. He said "Yeah, but Eagle supporters are dicks." He's 11 ... a proud Daddy moment :cool:

[Axe Man]

Right now it is 21 and sunny ... Sunday looms as storms; 17 and 95% chance of 20mm. I'm sitting in level 3 though. Level 3 is both good and bad. Good as you don't get the weather. Bad as there are no stores on that level. You have to go down stairs for a beer or a pie.

What bizarre planning for a brand new, supposedly state of the art stadium.

[jeemak]

What bizarre planning for a brand new, supposedly state of the art stadium.

Best stadium in the universe, in fact.

[Mantis]

Yeah, I don't see where we have any edge with English going head to head with NN, especially if it rains as much as expected taking away his marking (which was woeful last week anyway). But Bevo knows best.

I think Bevo's hands are tied.

Martin is underdone/ injured and given Sweet was so poor against Melb I doubt Bevo wants a repeat. Big challenge for English, hopefully he plays a big one.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

For those interested in how the weather may affect the game, 48hr forecast here:

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/wa/perth/perth/detailed-forecast

Heavy rains forecast to start at midday.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Yeah, I don't see where we have any edge with English going head to head with NN, especially if it rains as much as expected taking away his marking (which was woeful last week anyway). But Bevo knows best.

Yeah he did some ok things against Melbourne, but Tim has been a liability since coming back into the side. Honestly, he needs to find some aggression or he won't make it in this caper. Harsh I know, but he's regressed into his shell since the head knock. You're taller than everyone out there Tim. You need to show it. This is footy, there will be contact.

[DOG GOD]

The Martin Ruck with the 3 headed monster was working well and was looking like it could be a dominant factor. Now Martin is injured, that’s been thrown out with the bath water and we are back to the midfield rucks to help out English. Like comrade said, this is a setback in the game plan we expected to take us far into the season, and with English having to ruck most of the game alone, and Bruce being thrown from fwd to ruck support, it’s certainly going to hinder what we would’ve had planned.

Bevo must really dislike what he sees in Sweet.

[bornadog]

Bevo must really dislike what he sees in Sweet.

You can't say that? Sweet hasn't been effective in the games he has played.

Stats



2021 Games Log for Jordon Sweet (Western Bulldogs)





Description
Date
Opponent
Result
K
HB
D
M
G
B
T
HO
GA
I50
CL
CG
R50
FF
FA
AF
SC


Round 11
May 28
Demons (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-melbourne-demons)
Loss 59-87 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10422)
1
2
3
1
0
0
1
17
0
0
1
1
1
0
0
31
39


Round 10
May 22
Saints (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-st-kilda-saints)
Win 144-33 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10414)
7
7
14
6
0
2
6
16
0
2
4
6
1
1
4
84
75


Round 9
May 15
Power (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-port-adelaide-power)
Win 96-77 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10406)
5
4
9
2
0
0
3
18
0
4
4
4
0
4
4
51
56


Round 8
May 9
Blues (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-carlton-blues)
Win 107-91 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10396)
4
5
9
1
1
0
5
17
0
2
1
5
0
3
2
65
50


Round 5
Apr 17
Suns (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-gold-coast-suns)
Win 118-56 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10365)
4
4
8
2
0
0
4
31
1
1
2
0
0
0
0
73
73









2021 Games Log for Jordon Sweet (Western Bulldogs)





Description
Date
Opponent
Result
CP
UP
ED
CM
MI5
1%
BO
CCL
SCL
SI
MG
TO
ITC
TI5
TOG%


Round 11
May 28
Demons (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-melbourne-demons)
Loss 59-87 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10422)
2
1
3
0
0
3
0
0
1
1
-27
0
1
1
67


Round 10
May 22
Saints (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-st-kilda-saints)
Win 144-33 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10414)
7
8
8
0
1
7
0
2
2
7
221
3
3
0
82


Round 9
May 15
Power (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-port-adelaide-power)
Win 96-77 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10406)
6
4
8
1
1
4
0
1
3
2
208
2
1
1
78


Round 8
May 9
Blues (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-carlton-blues)
Win 107-91 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10396)
4
6
6
0
0
2
0
0
1
3
175
3
0
0
87


Round 5
Apr 17
Suns (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-gold-coast-suns)
Win 118-56 (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10365)
3
4
6
0
0
1
0
1
1
5
146
2
1
1
64






As I have said previously, I would have had Schache in (sorry Happy Days) as the 2nd ruck and we can still maintain the three prong tall attack. However, with rain forecast, maybe that won't work this week.

[bornadog]

West Coast Eagles v Western Bulldogs
Sunday 27 June, 1.20pm AWST / 3.20pm AEST
Optus Stadium


B: Ryan Gardner, Alex Keath, Bailey Williams
HB: Taylor Duryea, Zaine Cordy, Bailey Dale
C: Caleb Daniel, Tom Liberatore, Lachie Hunter
HF: Jason Johannisen, Aaron Naughton, Cody Weightman
F: Anthony Scott, Josh Bruce, Marcus Bontempelli
R: Tim English, Jack Macrae, Bailey Smith
Int: Toby McLean, Ed Richards, Mitch Hannan, Riley Garcia
Emer: Mitch Wallis, Hayden Crozier, Josh Schache, Roarke Smith


In: Ed Richards, Riley Garcia
Out: Hayden Crozier, Roarke Smith

[bulldogtragic]

Happy with that. Would’ve preferred Schache for Hannan.

Left field. Schache as sub.