WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R23 2021

[jeemak]

Gardner has played five games this year including the two he was injured in? He is rusty as all get out in his first game back and no VFL footy will make it hard for him to come in. Ditto with Martin.

It's been abundantly clear with those who have returned straight into the senior side.

I still think we're missing the mark by thinking we're going to get materially better by tweaking around the edges with selection. To me swapping Cordy for Schache, Wood for Richards, VDM for Garcia and JJ for JUH isn't going to be the difference between winning and losing. It might help a little bit, but it won't be the difference.

Put simply, our midfielders need to play better than they did last night if we are to win against good teams consistently. Hell, they need to play better than they did last night if we are to beat ordinary teams consistently.

When you have your two leading possession getters not impacting the game with dangerous disposal or hitting the scoreboard it's a worry. When you have three of your other prime movers not getting their hands on the footy enough it's a worry. When all combined can't handle the ball cleanly and cough it up at the coal face it's a worry.

Our one wood is miss-firing and we simply don't have the personnel at either end of the ground to make up for it.

[bornadog]

It's been abundantly clear with those who have returned straight into the senior side.

I still think we're missing the mark by thinking we're going to get materially better by tweaking around the edges with selection. To me swapping Cordy for Schache, Wood for Richards, VDM for Garcia and JJ for JUH isn't going to be the difference between winning and losing. It might help a little bit, but it won't be the difference.

Put simply, our midfielders need to play better than they did last night if we are to win against good teams consistently. Hell, they need to play better than they did last night if we are to beat ordinary teams consistently.

When you have your two leading possession getters not impacting the game with dangerous disposal or hitting the scoreboard it's a worry. When you have three of your other prime movers not getting their hands on the footy enough it's a worry. When all combined can't handle the ball cleanly and cough it up at the coal face it's a worry.

Our one wood is miss-firing and we simply don't have the personnel at either end of the ground to make up for it.

Totally agree with you, I can't see many changes given we lost by 2 points with the mids well down.

Bont had 15 disposals, Libba 17, Dunkley 17. BSmith had a lot of the ball, but my god he butchered it.

Maybe Bont played too much time up forward. I don't want him up forward (or in the ruck up forward), and perhaps Schache is the last tall standing that comes in to help?????

We have been at our best winning clearances, and last night we lost the stoppage clearances. (even in the centre)

[Grantysghost]

We play a very physically taxing game. We have worked very very hard physically for our goals over the course of the season. Many games where we should have iced by half time such was our domination and then cruise in the second half were still in the balance and require huge physical efforts. Its takes its toll over the course of the season. Basically peaked in July.

It's an interesting observation. I used to think the same as you, however recently we've been losing the contested possession count consistently. So surely that means the opposition play at least an equally taxing type of game?

The k's covered data is even usually.

I hear you, but I'm not as sure.

[comrade]

If anyone honestly takes last night’s margin into account and draws any positive from it, they’re kidding themselves. Beyond the first 10 minutes, we were utterly outplayed and could have easily been a 5+ goal loss.

[bornadog]

If anyone honestly takes last night’s margin into account and draws any positive from it, they’re kidding themselves. Beyond the first 10 minutes, we were utterly outplayed and could have easily been a 5+ goal loss.

It was a two point result against an inform top 4 team, with our mids out of form. Facts are facts.

Doesn't mean I am happy.

[Go_Dogs]

One thing that frustrated me was how often DBJ was just sitting off the clearance in Port’s defensive side of the stoppage, had it knocked his way and gathered under no pressure and got a kick away. Our structure around the stoppages is not working, we are too slow to react to things that appear obvious (appreciate it’s hard for us to see off the TV and maybe I’m missing something).

Bont looks sore.

Liberatore was scragged all night without a free (maybe within the rules) but it hurt us, and Macrae, while again a lot of the ball he’s not our cleanest player out of the clearance and looks tired from carrying a huge load all year.

Injuries have hurt as we haven’t been able to keep ourselves as fresh, but would be great to see us set up a bit differently and make the opposition have to work a bit harder. I don’t think the ruck situation makes a huge difference to it either, so not going to blame that.

[SonofScray]

If anyone honestly takes last night’s margin into account and draws any positive from it, they’re kidding themselves. Beyond the first 10 minutes, we were utterly outplayed and could have easily been a 5+ goal loss.

Agree. It was obvious that Port were going to make adjustments and ask the question. We’ve seen us grind to a halt before and it happened again.

[azabob]

Liberatore was scragged all night without a free (maybe within the rules) but it hurt us, and Macrae, while again a lot of the ball he’s not our cleanest player out of the clearance and looks tired from carrying a huge load all year.

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Does anyone know if there is a source where we can see how many time each player attended centre bounces?

Watching last night I got the feeling Dunkley should have replaced Liberatore in the middle from Q2 onwards.

Maybe next week we need to have Dunkley, Liberatore, Bontempelli and Treloar attend more centre bounces than not to at least try and stem the flow of the opposition.

[Grantysghost]

Does anyone know if there is a source where we can see how many time each player attended centre bounces?

Watching last night I got the feeling Dunkley should have replaced Liberatore in the middle from Q2 onwards.

Maybe next week we need to have Dunkley, Liberatore, Bontempelli and Treloar attend more centre bounces than not to at least try and stem the flow of the opposition.

You can get those stats on the AFL app if you go into the match centre->stats->player stats->edit then add CBA.

https://i.postimg.cc/050CD5rF/Screenshot-20210821-133317-AFL.jpg (https://postimg.cc/t77PHj3N)

[Grantysghost]

It was

16 Bont
15 Liberatore
14 Macrae
9 Smith
8 Dunkley
7 Treloar

Young 21
English 2

[jeemak]

We need Dunkley to be more prominent in the mix next week. It's now or never, and he should be fit enough after a few games at the highest level.

[angelopetraglia]

Do you think it was because English was supposed to be the direct replacement for Bruce as the other tall forward, no matter what happened on the field of play?

It is a good question. But doesn't Bruce do some of the ruck work when it is forward? Even some relieving work. I don't know what is going through Bevo's mind sometimes.

[Danjul]

A question about last night’s game.

When the review tried to see if Cordy touched the ball before it went over the line we saw Cordy pulled away from the ball by a stranglehold around his neck.

Why wasn’t it simply a free kick to him seeing it began before the ball got near being a possible goal?

[bornadog]

A question about last night’s game.

When the review tried to see if Cordy touched the ball before it went over the line we saw Cordy pulled away from the ball by a stranglehold around his neck.

Why wasn’t it simply a free kick to him seeing it began before the ball got near being a possible goal?

Umpiring was atrocious last night. There is no such thing as holding the ball or incorrect disposal unless you are a Bulldog player.

The so called dangerous tackle was a joke and that Port player should get done for faking

[DOG GOD]

A question about last night’s game.

When the review tried to see if Cordy touched the ball before it went over the line we saw Cordy pulled away from the ball by a stranglehold around his neck.

Why wasn’t it simply a free kick to him seeing it began before the ball got near being a possible goal?

Thought the same thing, and didn’t even get a mention by the commentators…no surprise.

[jeemak]

Don't remind me of the umpiring and commentary. It's probably not going to win or lose the game, but it doesn't help when there's two separate rules and the commentators seem to be advocating for it.

[merantau]

A question about last night’s game.

When the review tried to see if Cordy touched the ball before it went over the line we saw Cordy pulled away from the ball by a stranglehold around his neck.

Why wasn’t it simply a free kick to him seeing it began before the ball got near being a possible goal?

Exactly! I pointed this out at the time and 'strangle' was the verb I used.

[Mantis]

It was a two point result against an inform top 4 team, with our mids out of form. Facts are facts.

Doesn't mean I am happy.

Last night showed to me why Port haven’t been able to beat a top 4 team this year…. We had a poorly structured team and sucked for so much of that game and they fell over the line. I chat see them causing any issues to Geelong and Melbourne.

[DOG GOD]

Last night showed to me why Port haven’t been able to beat a top 4 team this year…. We had a poorly structured team and sucked for so much of that game and they fell over the line. I chat see them causing any issues to Geelong and Melbourne.
Get a home crowd and it might be a different story.

[DOG GOD]

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[azabob]

It was

16 Bont
15 Liberatore
14 Macrae
9 Smith
8 Dunkley
7 Treloar

Young 21
English 2

Thanks Granty, I actually discovered that in the other thread where you showed how to find ruck contests.

[Stefcep]

A question about last night’s game.

When the review tried to see if Cordy touched the ball before it went over the line we saw Cordy pulled away from the ball by a stranglehold around his neck.

Why wasn’t it simply a free kick to him seeing it began before the ball got near being a possible goal?

I asked the same question during the game : "is it within the rules to have your forearm around Cordy's neck just because its on the goal line?"

Why doesn't the club show the AFL the video-the one the review umpires looked at back and forth a dozen times- and razor can get a "please explain" as well. We need to to call this out rather than go quietly. Clarkson and Scott aren't shy about it and Eddie would be all over the media with it.

[jeemak]

The one that gets me is - when is trying to kick the ball whilst being tackled but missing the footy a free kick, and when is it not?

My whole footballing life I've considered that incorrect disposal and a free kick, but I then saw a Wayne Campbell article written from the perspective of an ex-umpire's boss that said it wasn't without saying why - which was really odd, and now it's all over the shop.

Anyway, it shits me they pinged Wood for his but we missed out on three before that. Now I know much of that is the footy gods kicking someone when they're down, which Easton certainly is, but the inconsistency with this rule shits me no end.

[bornadog]

The one that gets me is - when is trying to kick the ball whilst being tackled but missing the footy a free kick, and when is it not?

My whole footballing life I've considered that incorrect disposal and a free kick, but I then saw a Wayne Campbell article written from the perspective of an ex-umpire's boss that said it wasn't without saying why - which was really odd, and now it's all over the shop.

Anyway, it shits me they pinged Wood for his but we missed out on three before that. Now I know much of that is the footy gods kicking someone when they're down, which Easton certainly is, but the inconsistency with this rule shits me no end.

I heard Razor trying to explain this some months ago and I was flabbergasted they have changed the interpretation, but then Easton gets pinged.

[Scorlibo]

The one that gets me is - when is trying to kick the ball whilst being tackled but missing the footy a free kick, and when is it not?

My whole footballing life I've considered that incorrect disposal and a free kick, but I then saw a Wayne Campbell article written from the perspective of an ex-umpire's boss that said it wasn't without saying why - which was really odd, and now it's all over the shop.

Anyway, it shits me they pinged Wood for his but we missed out on three before that. Now I know much of that is the footy gods kicking someone when they're down, which Easton certainly is, but the inconsistency with this rule shits me no end.

100%

Then there's the phenomenon whereby if you drop the ball in the tackle that's cool, but if you drop the ball with one hand clenched then that's a failed handball attempt.

[jeemak]

100%

Then there's the phenomenon whereby if you drop the ball in the tackle that's cool, but if you drop the ball with one hand clenched then that's a failed handball attempt.

Sometimes. Most likely if you're a defender and up against one of the types of forwards who are "big men" and likely to make James Brayshaw cream himself.

[bornadog]

Sometimes. Most likely if you're a defender and up against one of the types of forwards who are "big men" and likely to make James Brayshaw cream himself.

When was the drop kick banned?

[Axe Man]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

[bornadog]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

Hey AM, I wouldn't worry too much. Best to avoid the negativity, it can get you more down than a loss.

Woof has lost a lot of good posters over the years because of some of the stuff written. I tell you what, social media is just getting worse and worse.

[Grantysghost]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

No angst that I saw, and you're definitely part of the furniture and I can say that as a relatively latter day lurker to poster convert.

Enjoy all of your contributions.

Maybe you could start some sort of thread around contract length or something to make yourself more invaluable?

[comrade]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

Obviously directed at me, and that’s cool.

I will point out that you were the one calling out WOOFer’s reactions here as ‘disgusting’ ‘garbage’ and ‘downright embarrassing’. Not much care there from what I can see?

I’ll reiterate what I said previously, which in no way was a personal attack on you and applies to myself.

Surely if people want to vent and critique the performance and express negativity, they have every right to do so as do others who want to do the opposite. If it crosses the line into personal attacks or obscenities that clearly cross a line of civility, there is a mod team here who’s role it is to address these and maintain the standards if they determine they’re not being met.

I’m happy there is a mix of opinions on here and it doesn’t always lead to agreement. Policing how people critique and respond to performances doesn’t help that mix, imo. In footy terms, let’s play the ball, not the man.

[1eyedog]

Hey AM, I wouldn't worry too much. Best to avoid the negativity, it can get you more down than a loss.

Woof has lost a lot of good posters over the years because of some of the stuff written. I tell you what, social media is just getting worse and worse.

Everyone in Melbourne is edgy after the past four weeks. Nothing damaging has been said it's all around disappointment, frustration, anger and loathing. I don't think anyone has been attacked there have just been a few vehement opinions thrown around because people have frayed edges. We were on such a high on top of the ladder and premiership favourites then Essendon happened, then Hawthorn happened, then Port happened, then Brisbane happened. I'm surprised the place hasn't melted down to be honest and credit to the board that it hasn't.

I've been on the edge emotionally since the Hawthorn game, that's where I lost all hope and started hibernating in order to start looking after my emotional well being. I think people are still looking after each other here but you simply can't expect everyone to be measured in their assessment of what has transpired, we're not robots. You just have to understand that the 50 trade Bailey Smith comments following the Hawthorn game and the sack Bevo comments following the Port game are just human beings trying to vent frustration, make sense of the world crumbling around them and go through a cleansing process to help them move through it and get to the other side. At least that's what I've gone through.

This board is critical to facilitate that because many of us don't have any other safe emotional place where this process is possible. Let's keep caring for each other and respecting all opinions because often an outlandish post to some might very well be a means of another poster trying to navigate their way through an emotional and uncertain feeling.

Let's just beat Essendon and see what happens.

[comrade]

Everyone in Melbourne is edgy after the past four weeks. Nothing damaging has been said it's all around disappointment, frustration, anger and loathing. I don't think anyone has been attacked there have just been a few vehement opinions thrown around because people have frayed edges. We were on such a high on top of the ladder and premiership favourites then Essendon happened, then Hawthorn happened, then Port happened, then Brisbane happened. I'm surprised the place hasn't melted down to be honest and credit to the board that it hasn't.

I've been on the edge emotionally since the Hawthorn game, that's where I lost all hope and started hibernating in order to start looking after my emotional well being. I think people are still looking after each other here but you simply can't expect everyone to be measured in their assessment of what has transpired, we're not robots. You just have to understand that the 50 trade Bailey Smith comments following the Hawthorn game and the sack Bevo comments following the Port game are just human beings trying to vent frustration, make sense of the world crumbling around them and go through a cleansing process to help them move through it and get to the other side. At least that's what I've gone through.

This board is critical to facilitate that because many of us don't have any other safe emotional place where this process is possible. Let's keep caring for each other and respecting all opinions because often an outlandish post to some might very well be a means of another poster trying to navigate their way through an emotional and uncertain feeling.

Let's just beat Essendon and see what happens.

Yeah, you said it much better than me lol

[1eyedog]

Yeah, you said it much better than me lol

There's a first time for everything mate.

[soupman]

The one that gets me is - when is trying to kick the ball whilst being tackled but missing the footy a free kick, and when is it not?


Like Campbells article pointed out this has been the interpretation for a while. A bit like how Razor explained to Roarke after the abuse free kick. I'm pretty sure if the player is immediately tackled without prior, and attempts to dispose of the ball legally (usually only by foot because failed handballs are always paid), or the ball is "knocked out" (they release it), and they do this within a reasonable time (usually within a couple of seconds) they call play on. I think they interpret it as a reasonable attempt.

I don't really agree with it but for the most part they do call it consistently, but like a lot of AFL rules it adds a lot of gray and means there will be some overlap between similar instances being a free and not.


Get a home crowd and it might be a different story.

Yeah still not sold on that. They've failed to beat anybody serious all year including at home with big crowds.

Falling over the line against us when they dominated all game and we played at half capacity doesn't convince me they are good enough.


A question about last night’s game.

When the review tried to see if Cordy touched the ball before it went over the line we saw Cordy pulled away from the ball by a stranglehold around his neck.

Why wasn’t it simply a free kick to him seeing it began before the ball got near being a possible goal?

It should be but the umpires virtually never pay anything when it involves trying to protect the ball going through the goals. I mean almost everytime it is a scenario like that the attacker will illegally block, hold, pull, scrag, strangle or push the defender and I can't recall a single instance in years where a free has been paid. I'm actually curious what they'd have to do for the free to be paid, and it definitely feels like they've been allowed to get even more audacious with their actions with no consequences of late.

[EasternWest]

When was the drop kick banned?

I think Brayshaw is still allowed in to games it's just frowned upon.

[GVGjr]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

Axe, you've been a great contributor to this site. I can't ask for much but it would be great if you stuck with us.

[Stefcep]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

I guess I am the other poster.

IMO no-one that I saw "personally attacked you".

As far as I am concerned if there are posts you don't agree with, quote them. Explain why you don't agree.

People ARE allowed to express their opinions, no matter how you or I might not like those opinions.

There's a difference between disagreeing with and silencing others simply because I don't agree with their opinions or find it offends me.

There's no obligation on anyone here to make this place how I want it to be. There are site rules and that's it.

[EasternWest]

Have to say I am thoroughly disappointed. I always thought woof was a place where we cared for each other. I never mentioned any specific posts or posters. In return I am personally attacked by 2 posters. I wish I had just kept my thoughts to myself, I only commented because I like this place and I want it to maintain its extremely high standards and not become Facebook or big footy like.

Maybe I’m not cut out for this place. Apologies if I created any angst, it was definitely not my intention.

But who will sticky threads if you leave?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It’s probably a golden rule to avoid taking issue with game day thread comments. Emotions run high. If people are looking for positivity ONLY, it’s not a smart idea to go to the game day thread after a loss. Especially after the diabolical 3 weeks this club has just put up. It’d be weird cult-like to find positivity everywhere.

I certainly vent in the game day thread. It does help my well-being. I have no other outlet as no one else understands the frustrations we doggie fans go through. It helps knowing we’re all on this together.

[EasternWest]

It’s probably a golden rule to avoid taking issue with game day thread comments. Emotions run high. If people are looking for positivity ONLY, it’s not a smart idea to go to the game day thread after a loss. Especially after the diabolical 3 weeks this club has just put up. It’d be weird cult-like to find positivity everywhere.

I certainly vent in the game day thread. It does help my well-being. I have no other outlet as no one else understands the frustrations we doggie fans go through. It helps knowing we’re all on this together.

A wise man once said anything said in the game day thread is inadmissible in court.

[Grantysghost]

A wise man once said anything said in the game day thread is inadmissible in court.

Was it Billy Gowers?

[EasternWest]

Was it Billy Gowers?

It was Happy Days, so I'm pretty sure it was Billy Gowers, Shane Biggs or Brodie Moles.

[bornadog]

I think Brayshaw is still allowed in to games it's just frowned upon.

Touché

[jeemak]

It was Happy Days, so I'm pretty sure it was Billy Gowers, Shane Biggs or Brodie Moles.

As unusual as it may sound he's actually a real person who is none or all of these three. Mind blowing.

[Grantysghost]

Wrong thread. Too much sun today.

[EasternWest]

Wrong thread. Too much sun today.

Some ivermectin will fix that right up.

[bornadog]

Some ivermectin will fix that right up.

Do you take it too

[EasternWest]

Do you take it too

I do. I also have a night cap of bleach each night to help me sleep.

Come on, man :).

[bornadog]

I do. I also have a night cap of bleach each night to help me sleep.

Come on, man :).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxDKW75ueIU&ab_channel=SarahCooper

[Mantis]

Has there been anything said on why Dunkley spent 16min on the bench in the last qtr? Did he get a knock?

[Grantysghost]

Has there been anything said on why Dunkley spent 16min on the bench in the last qtr? Did he get a knock?

I think Treloar was off for a bit too. No idea why.