The older I get, the LESS I care about individual awards.

[mjp]

Once upon a time, I was interested in the following:

B&F
Brownlow
Coleman
All-Australian

Anytime 'one of ours' was involved, I wanted it celebrated and THEM celebrated.

Now? I could care less.

I could care less about AA. Brownlow. Coleman. Coaches Award. Player Assoc MVP. I guess SOMEONE has to win the B&F but if they decided to not award the Charles Sutton medal I would be 100% fine with it.

All I want is to win games. And almost by whatever means possible. I look at team stats I admit...but I could care less WHO kicks the goals...just as long as WE do. I could care less about how many touches anyone gets as long as they play 'their role'. I could care less about anything except getting the points.

Does anyone feel more and more this way or is it just me?

[Bulldog Joe]

Will I certainly care most about the win/loss.

Also am interested in the individual performance to the extent that it impacts the team collective.

I would probably always like to understand more of the why and how, but celebrating a victory is what it is all about and I am far enough through the journey of life, that premierships are what really matters.

I also what those to be multiple premierships.

[EasternWest]

I think the Brownlow particularly is meaningless and/or the umpires should have no say in it.

That being said I will be deleting this comment or editing it to say it's the most important award of all when Bontempelli wins it this year.

[Bulldog Joe]

I think the Brownlow particularly is meaningless and/or the umpires should have no say in it.

That being said I will be deleting this comment or editing it to say it's the most important award of all when Bontempelli wins it this year.

The Brownlow is considered important if one of ours win it, but I want the Norm Smith Medallist much more.

[bornadog]

When we were less successful, we hung on to these individual awards because we didn't have much to celebrate, so we cared a lot more.

I have always been very sceptical of awards such as AA, rising star because of the people awarding them. The Coleman is nice because it is clear cut - most goals, can't dispute it. I have gone off the Brownlow a bit because umpires won't award votes for players on losing teams (3 votes ie), which is wrong, because the Brownlow is an individual award and doesn't matter how your team plays. (sort of). Also, seems like a midfielders award and no one else wins??? If Bont wins I will be super happy.

Overall I get what you are saying, to me too, winning games is everything and finals even better.

[Mofra]

I have a lot of interest in the B&F if only because if gives us mug punters an idea of what the coaching panel find valuable.
The guy who kicks goals or the guy who intercept marks? Which backmen get votes - rebounders or stoppers? How do disposal tallies match midfield votes, and if they don't which roles are seen as more important?

[bornadog]

I think the Brownlow particularly is meaningless and/or the umpires should have no say in it.

That being said I will be deleting this comment or editing it to say it's the most important award of all when Bontempelli wins it this year.

I prefer the umpires voting. It is tradition and also, do you really want a panel of the likes of Leigh Matthews, Kane Cornes and say Eddie putting the votes in.

[DOG GOD]

A premiership is a TEAM award. Everything else is individual awards. Ask any player what they would prefer. Exactly my thoughts as well. It’s about winning and winning the premiership.

[EasternWest]

The Brownlow is considered important if one of ours win it, but I want the Norm Smith Medallist much more.

Stop being so unselfish. We can have both, in one package.


I prefer the umpires voting. It is tradition .

Imma stop you right there.



and also, do you really want a panel of the likes of Leigh Matthews, Kane Cornes and say Eddie putting the votes in.

Not really, but I would prefer that by a significant margin than Ray Chamberlain being involved.

[bornadog]

Not really, but I would prefer that by a significant margin than Ray Chamberlain being involved.
Ok Kevin Barlett then and maybe Lewis Taylor will romp in this year :D

[EasternWest]

Ok Kevin Barlett then and maybe Lewis Taylor will romp in this year :D

I've always felt Lewis Taylor and his stumpy legs/long sock combo never got the respect they deserved.

[Happy Days]

I gotta admit I wanna see a Dogs player win the Coleman. When I was a little kid I had to run around the backyard pretending I was James Cook if I wanted to imagine I was kicking 15 on the MCG. I’d love to see young Dogs supporters having someone slightly more aspirational to emulate today.

[comrade]

I gotta admit I wanna see a Dogs player win the Coleman. When I was a little kid I had to run around the backyard pretending I was James Cook if I wanted to imagine I was kicking 15 on the MCG. I’d love to see young Dogs supporters having someone slightly more aspirational to emulate today.

Pppfft, I was a Simon Minton-Connell man all the way.

[Mofra]

Pppfft, I was a Simon Minton-Connell man all the way.
Long sleeves, chest marks only?

[bornadog]

I gotta admit I wanna see a Dogs player win the Coleman. When I was a little kid I had to run around the backyard pretending I was James Cook if I wanted to imagine I was kicking 15 on the MCG. I’d love to see young Dogs supporters having someone slightly more aspirational to emulate today.

I was a Kelvin Templeton man. (hello Twodogs)

When Royce Hart moved him to CHF, the supporters almost rebelled. He had kicked 118, then 91 and he gets moved?

1980 goes to CHF, kicks 75 and wins Brownlow.

[jeemak]

...but I could care less WHO kicks the goals...just as long as WE do.

With Josh Bruce being an exception to the rule! :p

I tend to agree, though would take pleasure in seeing a Bulldog win the Coleman and I do think the AFLCA MVP carries more weight than other individual awards.

Probably the thing that annoys me is when our players are slighted/ overlooked in light of being off Broadway at times. If we win flags it'll happen less I suppose.

[1eyedog]

Don't watch the Brownlow and have never watched / been to a live feed of the B&F, usually follow it up later that night though but only as part of 'Bulldogs news'.

As Metallica said nothing else matters except flags for me. The potential for more cups in the cabinet is the only thing that keeps me supporting.

But I'm old, or at least I feel old.

[GVGjr]

Once upon a time, I was interested in the following:

B&F
Brownlow
Coleman
All-Australian

Anytime 'one of ours' was involved, I wanted it celebrated and THEM celebrated.

Now? I could care less.

I could care less about AA. Brownlow. Coleman. Coaches Award. Player Assoc MVP. I guess SOMEONE has to win the B&F but if they decided to not award the Charles Sutton medal I would be 100% fine with it.

All I want is to win games. And almost by whatever means possible. I look at team stats I admit...but I could care less WHO kicks the goals...just as long as WE do. I could care less about how many touches anyone gets as long as they play 'their role'. I could care less about anything except getting the points.

Does anyone feel more and more this way or is it just me?

Good thread so thanks, I stopped caring about those awards a long while back and you can add the rising star award, biggest marks and best goals. It's simply finals and flags for me

[EasternWest]

I'm taking notes on who is saying what and I'll be reminding you all when Bont wins the Brownlow that you're not permitted to celebrate.

[1eyedog]

I'm taking notes on who is saying what and I'll be reminding you all when Bont wins the Brownlow that you're not permitted to celebrate.

I won't be celebrating because 1. I celebrate him leading our club everyday and fully know his worth regardless what umpires think of him and 2. I fully expect him to win the Brownlow this year. It's his destiny.

[The bulldog tragician]

I don’t care about the individual awards, brownlows, AA etc, but I do care about the individual stories and people within our club, their journeys and who they are.

I get the original sentiments and about us wanting team success but there have been so many years where flags were completely out of the question … but watching a player you didn’t think would make it succeed… or a guy come back from a devastating injury…or just having a sense of who they are as people and the things they’ve overcome, that are more than just collections of stats on the field…all those things sustain us as fans too. And given most of all our lives we have gone without real success, just as well too.

[EasternWest]

I won't be celebrating because 1. I celebrate him leading our club everyday and fully know his worth regardless what umpires think of him and 2. I fully expect him to win the Brownlow this year. It's his destiny.

Noted :).

[mjp]

I'm taking notes on who is saying what and I'll be reminding you all when Bont wins the Brownlow that you're not permitted to celebrate.

I will probably celebrate but whether or not he wins the Brownlow wont impact the way I feel about him as a player. It wont move the needle even a micro-millimetre!

[mjp]

With Josh Bruce being an exception to the rule! :p



I probably deserve that but it sort of proves my point. I could care less how many goals he kicks and I hate that being given as evidence of a player who is doing their job. As with Naughts on Sunday, he was able to get one out with Barrass in the 4th q because Bruce dragged McGovern away. Great job by BOTH players and - for me - the BULLDOGS kicked a goal!

Bruce has played a couple of good games but he hasn't kicked too many without the input of others...I mean, Bont kicked one on the weekend without anyone else being involved but that is really a once/twice per game phenomenon.

I DO want to see him flying at contests and doing more than 'giving effort'.

[EasternWest]

I will probably celebrate but whether or not he wins the Brownlow wont impact the way I feel about him as a player. It wont move the needle even a micro-millimetre!

Nah ah no backsies.

[jeemak]

I probably deserve that but it sort of proves my point. I could care less how many goals he kicks and I hate that being given as evidence of a player who is doing their job. As with Naughts on Sunday, he was able to get one out with Barrass in the 4th q because Bruce dragged McGovern away. Great job by BOTH players and - for me - the BULLDOGS kicked a goal!

Bruce has played a couple of good games but he hasn't kicked too many without the input of others...I mean, Bont kicked one on the weekend without anyone else being involved but that is really a once/twice per game phenomenon.

I DO want to see him flying at contests and doing more than 'giving effort'.

Damn straight you do! ;)

Seriously, I do get what you're saying but at the same time it's not like he's Josh Jenkins circa 2017 getting JTG goals each week and nor is he playing on after free kicks and taking easy goals which was something that upset you about him from last year's final. At the same time, even though it is, it's not his fault he kicked ten. I mean he didn't mean it, it just happened!

He's leading hard and presenting at the carrier, he's running and blocking. He's doing what a second string tall forward should be doing, and importantly he's kicking goals rather than points for the most part.

I get that we gave him tenure, but at the same time we knew we weren't recruiting anything other than an excellent second or third forward and he's delivering upon that.

[Go_Dogs]

I want Bont to win a Brownlow because it’s great recognition.

I like our players making the AA team because it’s good for banter with friends.

Wins are 100% the most important and take that above all else, but still passionate about seeing our players recognised for their efforts on the broader stage. It markets the club and it’s important.

[boydogs]

Some of the awards and recognition is just a sideshow, like the Jack Macrae 30+ touches a game thing, if his role changes that ends without him doing anything wrong. Others like AA and brownlow are more relevant to performance not stats

[Mantis]

I probably deserve that but it sort of proves my point. I could care less how many goals he kicks and I hate that being given as evidence of a player who is doing their job. As with Naughts on Sunday, he was able to get one out with Barrass in the 4th q because Bruce dragged McGovern away. Great job by BOTH players and - for me - the BULLDOGS kicked a goal!

Bruce has played a couple of good games but he hasn't kicked too many without the input of others...I mean, Bont kicked one on the weekend without anyone else being involved but that is really a once/twice per game phenomenon.

I DO want to see him flying at contests and doing more than 'giving effort'.

I'd love him to 'kill' 2-3 more aerial contests a game. We're giving up a few too many intercept marks a game so if we can reduce that and get the ball to ground it's going to help us no end given our strong ground ball/stoppage game.

[MrMahatma]

When we were less successful, we hung on to these individual awards because we didn't have much to celebrate, so we cared a lot more.

I have always been very sceptical of awards such as AA, rising star because of the people awarding them. The Coleman is nice because it is clear cut - most goals, can't dispute it. I have gone off the Brownlow a bit because umpires won't award votes for players on losing teams (3 votes ie), which is wrong, because the Brownlow is an individual award and doesn't matter how your team plays. (sort of). Also, seems like a midfielders award and no one else wins??? If Bont wins I will be super happy.

Overall I get what you are saying, to me too, winning games is everything and finals even better.

I'm like this. I recall us being so bad, but when there was talk of us having a Brownlow favourite it was one thing to get excited about.

Now we win more games, are playing finals regularly, it changes the mindset. It could be being older too... not sure, but I'd put it mostly down to the fact that we have team things to celebrate now, not just individual awards.

[Topdog]

I'm like this. I recall us being so bad, but when there was talk of us having a Brownlow favourite it was one thing to get excited about.

Now we win more games, are playing finals regularly, it changes the mindset. It could be being older too... not sure, but I'd put it mostly down to the fact that we have team things to celebrate now, not just individual awards.

Yeah its a fair bit different when at Round 9 all you have to look forward to is how big Scotty Wynd is doing in the Brownlow or you are 7-2 and looking at the finals.

I do want to win a Coleman though, it is something that we just have never gotten close to in my time.

[jeemak]

Yeah its a fair bit different when at Round 9 all you have to look forward to is how big Scotty Wynd is doing in the Brownlow or you are 7-2 and looking at the finals.

I do want to win a Coleman though, it is something that we just have never gotten close to in my time.

You weren't around for 1985 and Beaser?

[Topdog]

You weren't around for 1985 and Beaser?

Just before my time really, was only 4 by the end of that season.

[jeemak]

Just before my time really, was only 4 by the end of that season.

That's fair enough, I was only six but I remember bits and pieces of games and the finals etc.

[MrMahatma]

Who knows, Bruce or Naughton still a chance for Coleman this year.

[Topdog]

That's fair enough, I was only six but I remember bits and pieces of games and the finals etc.

yeah i remember 87 or 88 with Beaser still going around and of course that Brisbane game.

[Axe Man]

I do want to win a Coleman though, it is something that we just have never gotten close to in my time.

Barry Hall only lost by 5 to Jack Riewoldt in 2010.

[azabob]

The one individual award worth celebrating is a club best and fairest in a premiership year.

[AshMac]

Who knows, Bruce or Naughton still a chance for Coleman this year.

Fingers crossed for another bag tomorrow 🤞

[bornadog]

Fingers crossed for another bag tomorrow 爛

I think Naughton will a few tomorrow

[AshMac]

I think Naughton will a few tomorrow

Marks, yes - god he is great to watch take flight at the ball. We’ll just have to hope the stars are aligned for his kicking. Was good last weekend