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[mjp]

I was working last night and only really saw the last quarter...but even if I missed the game:

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Hoping everyone is OK and feeling a bit more positive today.

Last night we played with free money. This week is what matters. I would have (100% and without hesitation) taken 5th place if offered at the start of the season...particularly if you told me we were heading into the finals with Bont, Macrae and Liber fit and with Treloar and Dunks a few weeks into their post injury comebacks.

No point throwing out the baby along with the bath water...it's gonna be OK.

[Go_Dogs]

I appreciate your optimism mjp.

I think we are all battle weary in Vic after a challenging 18 months which compounds the loss. Hopefully you’re right and we can have a finals win next week. We all need it.

[Grantysghost]

I like the optimism, i think; but saying you would've taken it at the start of the season I get but don't think it's an argument for the now.

We were on top 3 weeks ago with the chance to go a game clear. Now we are the first team since 1975 to drop the last 3 from that position with a really tough task just to win our first final in 5 seasons.

I'm certainly not trying to be reactionary in any way but that's the truth of the situation. I'm throwing that particular baby out because it isn't the same one we started with, it's now Damien from the Omen ! ;)

[bornadog]

I feel a little better today, but it was hard to sleep last night thinking of the loss.

We are playing finals again for the 3rd year in a row, and I want a win next week.

[Rocco Jones]

Whilst I don't particularly agree with mjp, two things I appreciate:
1/ positivity, honestly I don't care if I agree or not, I can't read more negativity.
2/ reasoning.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I like the optimism, i think; but saying you would've taken it at the start of the season I get but don't think it's an argument for the now.

We were on top 3 weeks ago with the chance to go a game clear. Now we are the first team since 1975 to drop the last 3 from that position with a really tough task just to win our first final in 5 seasons.

I'm certainly not trying to be reactionary in any way but that's the truth of the situation. I'm throwing that particular baby out because it isn't the same one we started with, it's now Damien from the Omen ! ;)

Yeah. I’d have taken 5th at the start of the year but three weeks ago I would have been livid if you told me we finish 5th….and here we are.

I like the optimism too. I have no idea how anyone can remain optimistic with our performances so I’m impressed to say the least!

[mjp]

I have no idea how anyone can remain optimistic with our performances so I’m impressed to say the least!

You know I support the Bulldogs right? And a few short years ago our captain left to play for an expansion team? And then, we won the flag with the youngest premiership list ever and were seemingly set to dominate for YEARS...then the club embarked on a mysterious rebuild (of the youngest flag winning side ever) and missed the finals for the next two years?

Things could be (and often are) worse in the football world I inhabit.

There is a saying about a week being a long time in footy. I remember catching the train to the elimination final in 2016 with a ten tonne weight on my shoulders - the beating we were about to endure had been played out in my head over and again. We had made 5-changes to a team that had just lost to the bottom side by 100 points and it smacked of desperation...somehow we won and on we went. That side finished 7th and whilst it had showed signs...

I just think it's gonna be OK. I still think last night was house money...would top 4 be better? Well, yeah, but only if we won in week#1 of the finals...and I am more confident playing vs Essendon than I would be vs Melbourne or PA...

I understand the 'we were outplayed' comment - I get it. But at the same time, we have managed to - despite our seemingly inadequate defensive personnel - limit opposition scoring all year...so maybe a bit of credit for effort based on last nights performance. Was the silk and dash around the contest we have showed throughout the year evident? Well...not really. But doesn't that mean it is getting ever closer to coming back?

Besides ALL of that, what other choice do we have? Give up? Hell...10 teams wont be playing next weekend...ours wont be one of them. Finals are great - we don't get to play in them every year. Celebrate what we have because things could be (and have been) a lot (lot) worse!

[SonofScray]

The beacon is that we live to fight another day. All that is left to do is fight and fight hard.

[Grantysghost]

To me overly optimistic and overly negative are the same thing.

Reality is ok right re the last 3 weeks?

In my opinion we can't just ignore the fact that we have had a monumental moment of failure in the last three weeks by comparing it to some other time when it was worse. I've been to 7 losing prelims in a row live, yes there's been worse times.

I don't think people who are critical are doing anything other than conveying their dissapointment in the unbelievable reality of the last month.

An elimination final now is not the same as it was 4 weeks ago in my opinion and I think that's what most are trying to convey. Some a little more emotionally than others..

When I think about it the game last night it was a microcosm of the season. On top for most of it, then gone at the final hurdle.

Having said all that, I appreciate the optimism and spot on MJP we are still in it and who knows hey... But I'm going to be pi55ed off about this for a while yet and I think that's OK.

[jeemak]

There is a saying about a week being a long time in footy. I remember catching the train to the elimination final in 2016 with a ten tonne weight on my shoulders - the beating we were about to endure had been played out in my head over and again. We had made 5-changes to a team that had just lost to the bottom side by 100 points and it smacked of desperation...somehow we won and on we went. That side finished 7th and whilst it had showed signs...


Not putting it on your post, because I agree with you however it's funny how we remember things. The loss to Fremantle in the final game of the season was by twenty points in a game where it simply looked like we couldn't score. We left our best in Melbourne, missed out on the double chance and all was lost. It genuinely felt like 100 points at the time.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

We probably need a bit of positivity - myself included.

mjp, IF we lose next week, what would you do going forward? I get that hypotheticals help nobody (and somewhat contradicting my line above), but I suppose I am interested in what type of premium you place on next week's game.

[DOG GOD]

I’ve been out praying to the footy gods to let Bris kick 8.16 tonight.
They’ve been known to…let’s hope after they couldn’t miss last week, they don’t get near the middle sticks this week.

[bornadog]

I’ve been out praying to the footy gods to let Bris kick 8.16 tonight.
They’ve been known to…let’s hope after they couldn’t miss last week, they don’t get near the middle sticks this week.

I have already started :D

[mjp]

But I'm going to be pi55ed off about this for a while yet and I think that's OK.

That's the thing I guess. I'm just not annoyed in the outcome last night.
I said BEFORE the game that it was like gambling with free money and I still feel that way.

Sure, winning is better than losing but I just don't get the angst over a narrow loss to a red hot side...the players tried hard, they went down in a close one. Treloar and Dunkley got some more gametime into their legs. (HOPEFULLY) lessons were learned...we still play next week.

I really don't think I've put an optimistic spin on things (though the stuff about Treloar and Dunkley is a bit of mustard). I just refuse to feel any angst about a round 23 game that (to me) really doesn't move the needle much with regards our chances to win the flag. Whether we are 4th or 5th...ultimately what's the difference?

[Grantysghost]

That's the thing I guess. I'm just not annoyed in the outcome last night.
I said BEFORE the game that it was like gambling with free money and I still feel that way.

Sure, winning is better than losing but I just don't get the angst over a narrow loss to a red hot side...the players tried hard, they went down in a close one. Treloar and Dunkley got some more gametime into their legs. (HOPEFULLY) lessons were learned...we still play next week.

I really don't think I've put an optimistic spin on things (though the stuff about Treloar and Dunkley is a bit of mustard). I just refuse to feel any angst about a round 23 game that (to me) really doesn't move the needle much with regards our chances to win the flag. Whether we are 4th or 5th...ultimately what's the difference?

If you lose when you're 4th you can play again, and get more into the legs of Treloar and Dunkley?

I'm not sure how there's an argument not to get the double chance. But I'm trying to entertain it.

Richmond lost last year in the first week for eg.

I guess you play a lesser opponent, that bit I think I'm on board with.

Not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, I just can't understand the point around 4th or 5th doesn't matter. I guess you're saying you think we can't beat 1st or 2nd for eg which I don't subscribe to completely.

But I enjoy the discussion; thought provoking.

[bornadog]

If you lose when you're 4th you can play again, and get more into the legs of Treloar and Dunkley?

I'm not sure how there's an argument not to get the double chance. But I'm trying to entertain it.

Richmond lost last year in the first week for eg.

I guess you play a lesser opponent, that bit I think I'm on board with.

Not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, I just can't understand the point around 4th or 5th doesn't matter. I guess you're saying you think we can't beat 1st or 2nd for eg which I don't subscribe to completely.

But I enjoy the discussion; thought provoking.

The point is we are still in the finals, and still a chance

[Mantis]

Not putting it on your post, because I agree with you however it's funny how we remember things. The loss to Fremantle in the final game of the season was by twenty points in a game where it simply looked like we couldn't score. We left our best in Melbourne, missed out on the double chance and all was lost. It genuinely felt like 100 points at the time.

Some facts would be good in this situation- Before we played Fremantle it was known win, lose or draw we couldn’t move form 7th spot. It was a dead rubber and we played that way… it was also Pavlich’s last game and you could clearly see that Freo wanted to win more than we did. We played like we didn’t want to get hurt.

[jeemak]

Some facts would be good in this situation- Before we played Fremantle it was known win, lose or draw we couldn’t move form 7th spot. It was a dead rubber and we played that way… it was also Pavlich’s last game and you could clearly see that Freo wanted to win more than we did. We played like we didn’t want to get hurt.

Or was it only a dead rubber after half time when another game went a certain way? I remember when the game started it was still live.

[mjp]

If you lose when you're 4th you can play again, and get more into the legs of Treloar and Dunkley?

I'm not sure how there's an argument not to get the double chance. But I'm trying to entertain it.

Richmond lost last year in the first week for eg.

I guess you play a lesser opponent, that bit I think I'm on board with.

Not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, I just can't understand the point around 4th or 5th doesn't matter. I guess you're saying you think we can't beat 1st or 2nd for eg which I don't subscribe to completely.

But I enjoy the discussion; thought provoking.

I'm not trying to say 5th is better than 4th.

I'm trying to say that if you are secure in the top 8 with a round remaining and have drawn a top 4 opponent in the final game of the year, there is a chance you are going to lose. As it turned out we did - by a couple of points.

Looking at it yesterday (before the game) I just figured we were in a win-win situation...if we beat Port, we finish top 4 and get an extra chance. If we didn't, don't stress...we play the 7th or 8th placed teams and should be confident of beating them.

My thought process was as simple as that. I'm anti angst when the 'outcome' is already assured (one way or the other). Playing for a spot in the 8 in the last game? Now THAT'S an uncomfortable experience.

[bornadog]

Playing for a spot in the 8 in the last game? Now THAT'S an uncomfortable experience.

Which we did in 2019, 2020

[westdog54]

All of this year I've been of the belief that this playing group are nowhere near their peak.

There is growth left in this list.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pissed about the last three weeks. I'm pissed about last night. I'm *!*!*!*!ing LIVID about this afternoon.

With all that said, I can see is tearing Essendon limb from limb next week.

I want us to be a wrecking ball team. We either flatten our opponent or leave them in no shape to face their next game.

[hujsh]

Well I took a week off

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(https://imgbb.com/)Was in a bad enough mood without whatever the majority of those 2.5k posts said so figured a break would be better for me.

[bornadog]

Well I took a week off

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(https://imgbb.com/)Was in a bad enough mood without whatever the majority of those 2.5k posts said so figured a break would be better for me.

Welcome back

[EasternWest]

Well I took a week off

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(https://imgbb.com/)Was in a bad enough mood without whatever the majority of those 2.5k posts said so figured a break would be better for me.

Can you have a quick read and precis them for me?

[hujsh]

Can you have a quick read and precis them for me?


Maybe if we win

[azabob]

I was welcomed back to 896 new posts. So I guess we won because it was under 900 new posts?