Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele

[Dry Rot]

Demons midfielder Clayton Oliver was also awarded the AFL Coaches Association player of the year award ahead of Marcus Bontempelli and Ollie Wines who tied for second. Jack Steele came third.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demons-dominate-all-australian-side-with-max-gawn-skipper-luke-jackson-wins-rising-star-award-20210826-p58m27.html

Put on your objective hat and compare the fab four.

What order do you rate them in 2021 and why?

Is there another mid who should gave displaced one of them?

[AshMac]

Good comparison. For me I think Clayton Oliver is looking the standout at this time of year. He was just awesome on Saturday night and clearly the front runner in current form.

However - over the course of the year is slightly different. Rounds 1-20 I thought Bont was head and shoulder above the competition - he was the next Dusty in terms of having daylight between him and the next.

I still think he is - but his awful end to the year means he likely won’t win the ultimate yard stick. For me - I think Ollie wines will win the Brownlow with a solid year of contribution until
Round 23.

As for that top 4 - could sub out Steele w Parish or with Mitchell and on any given day have the best 4 mids.

[bornadog]

For me the Bont is a far superior player to Oliver in every sense. The Bont imposes himself on the game and can turn things around in just a short burst. Yes Oliver gets more of the ball, and is a great inside player, but he doesn't cover the ground the Bont does.

Average metres gained: Bont 546m, Oliver 420m

The comparison



Player Statistics Comparison





Marcus Bontempelli (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-western-bulldogs--marcus-bontempelli)
Name
Clayton Oliver (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-melbourne-demons--clayton-oliver)


Western Bulldogs (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-western-bulldogs)
Team
Melbourne Demons (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-melbourne-demons)


Midfield
Position
Midfield


168
Career Games
122


Northern Knights
Origin
Murray Bushrangers


November 24, 1995
Date of Birth
July 22, 1997


25yr 9mth
Age
24yr 1mth


193cm
Height
187cm


93kg
Weight
85kg


2013 National Draft (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2013&t=N&s=P)
Last Drafted In
2015 National Draft (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2015&t=N&s=P)


Round 1, Pick #4
Last Draft Position
Round 1, Pick #4


Western Bulldogs (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-western-bulldogs)
Last Drafted By
Melbourne Demons (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-melbourne-demons)


2021
Stats for Season
2021


23
Games
23


15.5
Kicks
14.3


11.5
Handballs
17.4


27.0
Disposals
31.7


4.0
Marks
3.5


1.1
Goals
0.4


0.7
Behinds
0.7


5.1
Tackles
5.2


0.3
Hitouts
0


6.7
Inside 50s
5.3


1.0
Goal Assists
0.7


1.8
Frees For
1.8


1.4
Frees Against
1.9


11.2
Contested Possessions
17.7


17.2
Uncontested Possessions
14.2


18.6
Effective Disposals
22.1


68.9%
Disposal Efficiency %
69.7%


4.7
Clangers
5.2


0.7
Contested Marks
0.2


0.7
Marks Inside 50
0.3


5.5
Clearances
7.6


1.9
Rebound 50s
1.9


3.7
One Percenters
1.2


1.0
Bounces
0.2


84.8
Time On Ground %
88.7


2.6
Centre Clearances
2.9


3.0
Stoppage Clearances
4.7


7.3
Score Involvements
7.3


546.8
Metres Gained
420.1


5.9
Turnovers
5.3


2.6
Intercepts
4.3


0.7
Tackles Inside 50
0.5


$735,000
AFL Fantasy Price
$761,000


107.4
AFL Fantasy Score
108.4


$551,400
Supercoach Price
$618,300


119.5
Supercoach Score
125.3






The ones that stand out for me are Goals, Inside 50, one percenters, CM.

Oliver is ahead on Cont Poss, but that is his role.

[EasternWest]

I would not have expected this to be your opinion, BAD. I'm shocked.

[bornadog]

I would not have expected this to be your opinion, BAD. I'm shocked.

Using facts to back my bias :D

[westbulldog]

Over their careers thus far Bontempelli is ahead of them all, he has a premiership medallion and plays this year with the added responsibility of the captaincy.

[Happy Days]

Oliver apparently learned how to kick between our last game and the finals. If anyone is on Bont’s level it’s him.

[Boots]

The way everyone talks about Oliver (and the way they didn't talk about him last year), I was surprised he'd played 122 games. But then, Bont was extraordinarily precocious and may have skewed my view.

I know Bont can't be the golden child every year in a media landscape obsessed with the new hotness, but for some reason the idea Bont may lose the Brownlow makes me feel extremely unhappy. If Wines wins it, fair cop, he's done the hard yards, but if Oliver pulls it off in his first really good year, that's deeply unjust given Bont's consistently good form over years.

[KT31]

Hopefully history wont repeat itself, with a Demons player having his first standout season pipping a Bulldogs Great for a well deserved Brownlow.

[1eyedog]

Boak's had a better month than Wines.

Oliver is a bull but Bont hits the scoreboard twice as hard. I guess that is because we have so many options through the midfield that he can play forward more than Oliver. Oliver keeps going next level it's hard to seperate him and Bont at the moment.
I don't see Wines and Steele being in the same bracket as Bont and I don't think many do.

[Go_Dogs]

Bont is best, but Oliver is closing fast. He moves fast and has wiry strength inside. Like him a lot.

[Dry Rot]

Can someone please explain to me the admiration for Steele?

Good player to my eye, but not great.

[Go_Dogs]

Can someone please explain to me the admiration for Steele?

Good player to my eye, but not great.

One man show in a poor team this year. He’s not as dynamic as Bont / Oliver and is perhaps more similar to Wines. Consistent and does most things well.

[jazzadogs]

Can someone please explain to me the admiration for Steele?

Good player to my eye, but not great.

You could argue he's the best two-way mid in the game. High tackle numbers, adds a lot to their defensive midfield structures, good 1v1. Wines, Oliver and even Bont are far more offensively minded - they will tackle if they have a chance to get the ball, but really want to get it and either feed it out or run it forward.

Having said that, my eyes gloss over when the Saints play so might not be completely accurate.

[jeemak]

The way everyone talks about Oliver (and the way they didn't talk about him last year), I was surprised he'd played 122 games. But then, Bont was extraordinarily precocious and may have skewed my view.

I know Bont can't be the golden child every year in a media landscape obsessed with the new hotness, but for some reason the idea Bont may lose the Brownlow makes me feel extremely unhappy. If Wines wins it, fair cop, he's done the hard yards, but if Oliver pulls it off in his first really good year, that's deeply unjust given Bont's consistently good form over years.

I reckon the year Oliver made the AA side in 2018 might counts as a good one.

Making the squad in 2020 might also constitute a good effort as well.

It's my hope Bont wins it, but if the AFLCA is voting you best in the games you've played then you're probably deserving anyway.

[EasternWest]

You could argue he's the best two-way mid in the game. High tackle numbers, adds a lot to their defensive midfield structures, good 1v1. Wines, Oliver and even Bont are far more offensively minded - they will tackle if they have a chance to get the ball, but really want to get it and either feed it out or run it forward.

Having said that, my eyes gloss over when the Saints play so might not be completely accurate.

I reckon that's pretty right.

He's a damn good player Steele, but that's it.

[boydogs]

Oliver v Bont is at least a conversation, the others are nowhere. Neale, Petracca, Martin & Fyfe are closer

Bont's versatility puts him ahead for mine

[Testekill]

I think Bont had higher highs than Oliver but Oliver had the more consistent season overall.

[MrMahatma]

Imagine Bont with Max as his ruckman!?