Low Life Media calling Bevo a sook

[bornadog]

link (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-round-10-talking-points-analysis-reaction-results-wrap-highlights-carlton-flag-luke-beveridge-port-adelaide-trade-mistake/news-story/e747802448b4555e95541efdcfd9f2cf)

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There really are some idiots in the media - getting sick of them.


‘SOOKING’ COACH’S ‘DIRTY WORK’ CALL LEAVES RIVALS ‘BEMUSED’

Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge has been accused of “sooking” and asking others to do his “dirty work” after a mysterious complaint about Aaron Naughton’s game against Gold Coast.

Naughton kicked three goals in the first half of the Dogs’ win but none in the second half against star Suns backman Sam Collins, with a coy Beveridge raising the issue in his post-match press conference.

However he wasn’t willing to spell out the exact complaint he was making.

“I’ve got to be really careful here because he’s been so dominant and then there were reasons why he wasn’t in the second half,” Beveridge said.

“That’s all I’ll say. We’ll do some follow up.

“He kept fighting, kept bringing the ball to ground.
“We’ll work our way through it through the course of the week.”

Asked if the reason was an injury, Beveridge replied: “Nah.

“After the game what happens is you are pretty sure you know what happened, but you’ve got to go back to have a look just to make sure.


“I can’t really comment, I’ll just go back and have a look.”


While in many respects Beveridge’s ability to show restraint with something that bothered him in the immediate aftermath of a game was admirable, it also caused confusion among observers.

On the Sunday Footy Show, Port Adelaide champion Kane Cornes questioned why Beveridge would half-raise the issue but then not actually spell it out.

“You’ve got to be really careful, you don’t want to go into detail, so why put it on the radar?” Cornes said on Nine.

“Because people like us will go, what are you talking about? I went back and had a look, clearly I think he’s talking about umpiring and the treatment of Aaron Naughton - nothing in the contests I’ve seen says he was treated unfairly.

“Is that what he’s talking about, or is it something different?

“When you front the media, you’re talking to your fans, and he’s put something on the radar that he’s not happy to explore or go into for whatever reason, so why say it? What’s the benefit of Luke Beveridge going with that yesterday, other than to cause unwanted speculation and a thought he’s perhaps sooking over one of his players?”

AFL journalist Damian Barrett said Gold Coast was “bemused” by Beveridge’s comment.

“There might’ve been one identifiable free kick that Naughton should’ve got that he didn’t get, but that happens at any stage in a game of footy.

“I haven’t spoken to anybody that has any idea what he’s referring to there, and to flag it and raise it but withdraw from what he’s actually raising, I don’t (understand).”

Host Tony Jones added: “Clearly he wants everyone else to do his dirty work - ie, you’ve dug in and had a look.”

Essendon great Matthew Lloyd suggested it could have been about “what the Suns could’ve been doing to him off the ball to stop his run, those types of things”.

Beveridge appears to have form in this area.

The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph tweeted: “Bevo was dirty that Naughton was repeatedly held by Adelaide’s Jordon Butts in the last Ballarat game.

“Not sure Collins did anything wrong apart from one missed free so Bevo surely posturing to get a better rub of the green in future weeks.”

[bornadog]

I was at the game and watched Naughton getting continually held, scragged, blocked pushed and no free kicks for, only against when he retaliated.

This happens week after week.

[bornadog]

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[bornadog]

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[Mantis]

You certainly have a way with words.

[bornadog]

You certainly have a way with words.

Glad you enjoy reading them :D

[Grantysghost]

Bevo constantly loses me these days he's working on a whole other level xD

[bornadog]

Bevo constantly loses me these days he's working on a whole other level xD

Why?

[Grantysghost]

Why?

If he had an issue with Naughton he should've just said that instead of insinuating it like he knew but didn't want to say.

It opened it up to scrutiny being so cryptic.

[MrMahatma]

If he had an issue with Naughton he should've just said that instead of insinuating it like he knew but didn't want to say.

It opened it up to scrutiny being so cryptic.

And prob get fined.

[Grantysghost]

And prob get fined.

Quite possibly :)

[Happy Days]

Yeah I don’t really know what he was supposed to do. If he says nothing he gets called out for, well, saying nothing. He says what he was implying and he gets fined because any criticism of umpiring is now an indictable offence. If he gives a generic answer and says that Collins did a “good job”, then in addition to lying he’s not backing his player, which I think Bevo would rather resign than do.

This is only a story because of who said and who reports on it.

[azabob]

Fine wise was some of the fine from round 1 partially suspended? If he had've commented further it could have got quite expensive very quickly.

[Grantysghost]

Yeah I don’t really know what he was supposed to do. If he says nothing he gets called out for, well, saying nothing. He says what he was implying and he gets fined because any criticism of umpiring is now an indictable offence. If he gives a generic answer and says that Collins did a “good job”, then in addition to lying he’s not backing his player, which I think Bevo would rather resign than do.

This is only a story because of who said and who reports on it.

My comment is more a holistic I have NFI what he's saying rather than this particular example. He's always quite esoteric and cryptic which isn't a bad thing (his snow button speech at a season launch my all time fav).

I couldn't tell from the TV how badly he was being scragged, it didn't translate on screen. He probably did well to refrain.

Those ch9 guys seem to have it in for him.

[mjp]

If he had an issue with Naughton he should've just said that instead of insinuating it like he knew but didn't want to say.

It opened it up to scrutiny being so cryptic.
100%

[G-Mo77]

I was directly behind the goals 3 rows back, how these umpires could not pay a free kick off the ball is beyond me? 1, 2, sometimes 3 blocking Naughton off the ball, holding almost tackling. I doubt many of these would have been caught on camera but the umpire just need to ping them once and it would have been settled.

He's dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't in this situation. Probably should not have said a thing and made enquiries behind closed doors. ANyway, it's done and hopefully Naughton gets some whistles.

[GVGjr]

Bevo constantly loses me these days he's working on a whole other level xD

He might have a legitimate complaint but he's done himself and the club a disservice by airing it the way he has.
His responses in a few press conferences this year concerns me and I wonder if he is really coping that well with things.

It's a balancing challenge for him with answering questions. His half response opens himself up for criticism.

[bornadog]

He might have a legitimate complaint but he's done himself and the club a disservice by airing it the way he has.
His responses in a few press conferences this year concerns me and I wonder if he is really coping that well with things.

It's a balancing challenge for him with answering questions. His half response opens himself up for criticism.

You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.

He is limited in what he can say against the umpires, but his message has been sent. Calling him a sook by the MSM just shows we have a real problem in society. These people are out of control.

[Grantysghost]

You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.

He is limited in what he can say against the umpires, but his message has been sent. Calling him a sook by the MSM just shows we have a real problem in society. These people are out of control.

I get it's the heat of the moment but there are probably better ways to air these things like a private enquiry to the umpiring department maybe?

I don't think it's going to help Naughton's cause unfortunately.

But I can see it's a fine line and he's an emotional guy.

[mjp]

You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.


He didn't though.

You can't be half pregnant. Call out what you saw and say:

"At the 7 minute mark of the 3rd q GC player Collins etc..."

OR, if you don't want to do that because you're not sure or whatever (and they have 4x camera angles in the box so he was sure) just say "Full credit to the GC defenders who just got on top in the 2nd half. We'll be working with Aaron to help him work out some strategies to deal with the tactics they used in the future..."

Bevo brings this upon himself and it sounded like he wanted to complain without complaining...just say it or don't say it...

[bornadog]

He didn't though.

You can't be half pregnant. Call out what you saw and say:

"At the 7 minute mark of the 3rd q GC player Collins etc..."

OR, if you don't want to do that because you're not sure or whatever (and they have 4x camera angles in the box so he was sure) just say "Full credit to the GC defenders who just got on top in the 2nd half. We'll be working with Aaron to help him work out some strategies to deal with the tactics they used in the future..."

Bevo brings this upon himself and it sounded like he wanted to complain without complaining...just say it or don't say it...

Well we all handle those situations differently.

My beef is with the MSM calling an AFL coach a sook, and Barrett asking Bevo to apologise - FMD.

Barrett shows all the vision from behind the goals with the pulling, holding blocking and Lloyd says that is just normal. It maybe normal defensive work, but it is also not right and should be stamped out.

see here (https://www.afl.com.au/video/767330/exclusive-vision-suns-treatment-of-star-dog-in-the-spotlight?videoId=767330&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1653261049001&tagNames=ProgramType:AFL%20Digital&references=AFL_COMPETITION:1)about half way through

[GVGjr]

You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.

He is limited in what he can say against the umpires, but his message has been sent. Calling him a sook by the MSM just shows we have a real problem in society. These people are out of control.

How does half answering the question and pulling back half way help achieve anything for us or Naughton?

The professional way would be to escalate this with the umpires and follow the process that is in place.
I have no problems if he goes in full bore but his 'half in' approach is inviting the criticism fair or unwarranted.
I don't definitely agree that he is a sook as the reporting indicates but he opened the door there.
It's not new news that the journo's are going to blow up a story if you give them a chance but calling him a sook isn't right.

[Flamethrower]

Just used the Universal Translator on Bevo's post match comments...

"Collins is lucky Barry Hall has retired or he may have been Scott Thompsoned or Brent Stakered"

[Grantysghost]

Just used the Universal Translator on Bevo's post match comments...

"Collins is lucky Barry Hall has retired or he may have been Scott Thompsoned or Brent Stakered"
Or Paul Gallened! ;)

Great verbs.They're harder when they're looking.

[The bulldog tragician]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/putting-the-umpires-on-notice-why-beveridge-wants-the-astro-naught-to-take-flight-20220523-p5annq.html

A different take from The Age

Western Bulldogs star Aaron Naughton has received just six free kicks for being held this season, half as many as the forward that tops the list.

Dogs coach Luke Beveridge put Naughton’s treatment on the agenda after Saturday’s 19-point win in Ballarat, when he suggested Naughton may have been on the receiving end of illegal handling by Sam Collins.

Collins, a robust defender and best-and-fairest winner, kept Naughton goalless in the second half.

“I’ve got to be really careful here, because he’s been so dominant and then there were reasons why he wasn’t in the second half,” Beveridge said of Naughton in his post-game press conference.

“That’s all I’ll say … after the game what happens is you are pretty sure you know what happened, but you’ve got to go back to have a look just to make sure.”

Beveridge left Suns coaches and management baffled by his comments. Behind-the-goals vision of Collins’ blanketing job after the main break has shown he appeared to have little case to answer - there was one hold that should have been paid a free kick - prompting Essendon great and former goalkicking champion Matthew Lloyd to even suggest all young defenders should watch how Collins went about his work.

However, The Age has found throughout the season that Naughton has been paid only six free kicks (10 games) this season for holding the man. That is half of the number paid to Carlton spearhead Harry McKay (12 in eight games) and five less than St Kilda’s Max King (10 games), suggesting this was a bigger-picture play by Beveridge. Charlie Curnow, Tom Lynch and Lance Franklin each have one more than Naughton.

The Bulldogs on Monday had the option of taking their concerns about Collins to the AFL’s umpiring department, but did not wish to comment. Suns chief executive Mark Evans said Gold Coast weren’t sure what Beveridge had been referring to, but the Bulldogs said their coach would elaborate at his press conference later in the week.

“I thought it might have to do with the couple of frees Naughton gave away to Collins in the third [term]. Both frees were paid before the ball came to their area, so they were actually taken upfield,” Evans said.

In a discussion about whether Beveridge should apologise, Lloyd, speaking to AFL.com.au, said: “If you were the Suns, you would want answers”. Evans, however, said: “[It’s] up to him whether he wants to apologise.”

Regardless, as rival club figures noted, it was a wily move from Beveridge. Even if nothing comes of this immediate incident, it effectively puts the umpires on notice heading into mid-year and then, ultimately, the business part of the season.

Naughton booted three goals in the first half and had Collins shifted off him, but was goalless in the second, coming as a re-engaged Collins shadowed and harassed him at every opportunity.

He regularly bumped Naughton before the man known as the “Astro-naut” could take off for his customary high-leaping marks. Naughton was also regularly bodied off his line, but, under the AFL’s ‘Laws of the Game’, there was little to suggest a free kick should have been awarded. Under Law 18.5 (marking contests), an umpire shall award a free kick in a marking contest against a player where the player: (a) holds or blocks an opposition player; (b) unduly pushes or bumps an opposition player; (c) deliberately interferes with the arms of an opposition player; (d) makes contact to an opposition player from front-on and whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a mark; or (e) makes an unrealistic attempt to contest or spoil a mark which interferes with an opposition player

Close onlookers have also suggested Beveridge’s remarks were a show of unity for his key forward - a man who will largely dictate whether the Bulldogs can go one step better this year after the heartache of Perth.

Another view was that the comments may be a peek below the bonnet of the Bulldogs’ goal-kicking concerns when Naughton is held. Still without the injured Josh Bruce, Naughton has a team-high 25 goals but Marcus Bontempelli - the Dogs’ best midfielder who has been sent forward more - is next best with 13. Cody Weightman, out with a broken collarbone, has 12, while midfielder Adam Treloar has 10.

Compared to the Demons, Lions and even the surging Blues, that’s a goal-kicking list that’s probably not going to get the job done against the league’s elite, despite the Bulldogs improving their win-loss record to 5-5, due largely to their improved clearance and post-clearance work.

[Grantysghost]

He may have to apologise at some point.

Collins is a decent defender and there's 0 evidence as to what he was conjuring.

My theory : he's pissed that he's been out moustached.

[GVGjr]

He may have to apologise at some point.

Collins is a decent defender and there's 0 evidence as to what he was conjuring.

I just watched some of his antics and while he did push the limits did he really do anything more than we would expect off a FB pitted against one of the comps best young forwards?

[Grantysghost]

I just watched some of his antics and while he did push the limits did he really do anything more than we would expect off a FB pitted against one of the comps best young forwards?

If it was Keath we'd be singing his praises.

I'm a Collins fan, be pretty happy if he was playing for us and performed like that.

[MrMahatma]

What’s considered a block?

[macca]

Beveridge did say he did not want to comment any further before he checked the footage before he made any inquiries to the umpires

Mountain out of a mole hill.

Barrett hates us

Cornes can't help himself to have a dig at us.

If anyone watched the press conference , the same question was asked 3 times to Luke, and he clearly said he was not going to elaborate anything further until he checked the footage.

The news media cycle is about headlines and negativity. How thick must they be if they could not read between the lines ?

Is the quality of press so diluted that they try to sensationalize everything?

[Grantysghost]

Beveridge did say he did not want to comment any further before he checked the footage before he made any inquiries to the umpires

Mountain out of a mole hill.

Barrett hates us

Cornes can't help himself to have a dig at us.

If anyone watched the press conference , the same question was asked 3 times to Luke, and he clearly said he was not going to elaborate anything further until he checked the footage.

The news media cycle is about headlines and negativity. How thick must they be if they could not read between the lines ?

Is the quality of press so diluted that they try to sensationalize everything?

I agree 90 percent macca.

But don't be fooled into thinking Luke doesn't know the questions are coming and has decided what he's going to say prior.

I'm a big Bevo fan and he's not stupid.

[Testekill]

It's funny because literally the first clip they showed was Collins with his back turned to the ball holding Naughton while the ball was 50 metres away, Naughton shifts him and gets a clean run up and mark but it's called holding against Naughton.

Literally Collins was holding on and stopping his run while not looking at the ball, it should have been a downfield free.

[Grantysghost]

It's funny because literally the first clip they showed was Collins with his back turned to the ball holding Naughton while the ball was 50 metres away, Naughton shifts him and gets a clean run up and mark but it's called holding against Naughton.

Literally Collins was holding on and stopping his run while not looking at the ball, it should have been a downfield free.

I think it was those two frees that triggered Bevo.

[bornadog]

It's funny because literally the first clip they showed was Collins with his back turned to the ball holding Naughton while the ball was 50 metres away, Naughton shifts him and gets a clean run up and mark but it's called holding against Naughton.

Literally Collins was holding on and stopping his run while not looking at the ball, it should have been a downfield free.

This happens to all the FF, but I think it is a blight on the game. Sick of players holding on to others when the ball is no where near the play. If there are any rules that should be enforced this is one.

My point in posting this thread, is not about what Bevo said. Bevo and all coaches talk like this because they are not allowed to criticise directly. It is not a big deal.

The point of this thread is the way the MSM act. Barrett calling for an apology, give me a break, foxfooty calling Bevo a sook - wow.

[jeemak]

Well I went to work today and the football world seems to have gone batshit crazy. This is what happens when I don't check in all day.

[Grantysghost]

Well I went to work today and the football world seems to have gone batshit crazy. This is what happens when I don't check in all day.

You had a fair excuse still being drunk on the toon making the calendar year champions league right!?

[jeemak]

You had a fair excuse still being drunk on the toon making the calendar year champions league right!?

Man I was tired today - but well worth staying up to see it. I only just finished my last meeting as well.........

[Go_Dogs]

Didn’t Bevo say I can’t say too much as I haven’t watched the tape?

Storm in a teacup. Backing his player. Of course Kornes and Damo take issue with it… whatever.

[macca]

Didn’t Bevo say I can’t say too much as I haven’t watched the tape?

Storm in a teacup. Backing his player. Of course Kornes and Damo take issue with it… whatever.

I am going to give Bevo an academy award for not rolling his eyes , not giving the journo who asked the same question 3 times a bake , and not questioning the umpring for their stupid misinterpretation laws.

[azabob]

As pointed out by a bulldog supporter on social media.

Round 1 - Bevo has gone too hard and he needs to apologise

Round 10- Bevo has gone too soft and he needs to apologise.

[Happy Days]

Footy Classified actually had the nerve to say that Bevo could take a note from Justin Longmuir on how to handle a press conference. You know, that guy whose team just lost to Collingwood by 8 goals at home, that same Collingwood that we belted the week before. I’m sure that if you ask Freo fans they’re taking a lot of pride in the presser performance and will also happily overlook the game that just took place.

Seriously does ANYONE other than the gang of idiots sitting on these shows care about this shit?

[GVGjr]

As pointed out by a bulldog supporter on social media.

Round 1 - Bevo has gone too hard and he needs to apologise

Round 10- Bevo has gone too soft and he needs to apologise.

Did they indicate why he needs to apologise?
I think he was just being mischievous on the weekend and he has drawn a lot of attention on the effort required by defenders to get on top of one of the competitions best young forwards. Not sure that has helped us.

[bornadog]

Did they indicate why he needs to apologise?
I think he was just being mischievous on the weekend and he has drawn a lot of attention on the effort required by defenders to get on top of one of the competitions best young forwards. Not sure that has helped us.

It has highlighted that Naughton gets half as many frees as other big forwards

[Bulldog4life]

It has highlighted that Naughton gets half as many frees as other big forwards

This is the bigger picture for Bevo. He realises nothing can be done to the match just gone. All season Naughty hasn't received his fair share of frees which I can even see on tv. Let's hope Naughty catches up with those frees in the second half of the season.

[GVGjr]

It has highlighted that Naughton gets half as many frees as other big forwards

And do you think that will change after Bevo comments?

[bornadog]

And do you think that will change after Bevo comments?

maybe, but doesn't hurt highlighting the issues faced by FFs

[GVGjr]

maybe, but doesn't hurt highlighting the issues faced by FFs

I guess there is also a process to engage the umpires directly rather than via a cryptic message through the media.
I had a look at some of the highlights of the way Collins played Naughton after initially getting thrashed and I didn't see a lot wrong with it.

If Naughton gets an extra free kick each game then it might be worth it.

[Mantis]

I guess there is also a process to engage the umpires directly rather than via a cryptic message through the media.
I had a look at some of the highlights of the way Collins played Naughton after initially getting thrashed and I didn't see a lot wrong with it.



Our ball use in the 2nd half made life a whole lot easier for Collins too... Lots of flat kicks in rather than giving the ball some 'air' which allows Naughton to get a jump at the ball which is when he's at his most dangerous.

Naughton does get a rough deal from the umps as he is consistently scragged, but we need to kick the ball to his advantage more which will make life even tougher for defenders.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

The irony is that Naughts and Collins have been teammates. In 2017 before we drafted Naughts, he played some games for Peel Thunder. Collins also played at Peel as they are Freo's reserves team. Naughts has said that they both played in the backline and that Collins would scream instructions at him which actually helped him as a young 17 year old.

[jeemak]

I'm a little surprised at the criticism of Bevo around here for what I view as something completely innocuous and blown up by the media. This isn't the first time a coach has been asked a question, been frustrated, and said they can't say anything due to not wanting to be fined.

Yes, he has his faults but some things get blown well out of proportion and this is clearly one of them.

[Grantysghost]

Bevo completely back tracked this morning.

He's copped 10 questions in a row about it and made it clear he said nothing and saw nothing!

He's gone the sergeant Schiltz!

Interesting also said Weightman should be back could've played last week.

Sweet and English sounds like they're both going to play reading between the lines but something has to give.

Duryea will be in for Cleary I'd say.

[Bulldog4life]

It has happened again. In Barrett's sliding doors article.

IF ...
I agreed with Bevo that rules, as a rule, shouldn't be amended on the run ...

THEN ...
I also factor into his observations this week about head-high tackling the fact he coaches the 2021 version of Ginnivan, Cody Weightman, and a few other Dogs who are handy at drawing high-tackle frees. There's always a vested interest when coaches sook it up.

[Bulldog4life]

It has happened again. In Barrett's sliding doors article.

IF ...
I agreed with Bevo that rules, as a rule, shouldn't be amended on the run ...

THEN ...
I also factor into his observations this week about head-high tackling the fact he coaches the 2021 version of Ginnivan, Cody Weightman, and a few other Dogs who are handy at drawing high-tackle frees. There's always a vested interest when coaches sook it up.

I heard Bevo say it and it was nothing like sooking. Barrett you idiot.

[GVGjr]

I heard Bevo say it and it was nothing like sooking. Barrett you idiot.

So many in the media have become headline grabbers rather than reporters
Barrett is an arse. I try my best not to watch or listen too him.

Scoop McClure has become excessively arrogant over the last couple of years.

[MrMahatma]

Sook it up? Really? He was asked a question and gave a pretty clear answer that aligns with his philosophy as always.

Barret is a fk wit. No wonder Bevo doesn't want to do media. Talk about a hiding to nothing. A$$ clowns like Parrot are the reason everyone gives basic answers.

[MrMahatma]

So many in the media have become headline grabbers rather than reporters
Barrett is an arse. I try my best not to watch or listen too him.

Scoop McClure has become excessively arrogant over the last couple of years.

There's seriously too many commentators in this sport and definitely too many who have undeserved platforms with high reach and influence. Damien Puppet is one of the worst. Complete ambulance chaser.

[Bulldog4life]

Sook it up? Really? He was asked a question and gave a pretty clear answer that aligns with his philosophy as always.

Barret is a fk wit. No wonder Bevo doesn't want to do media. Talk about a hiding to nothing. A$$ clowns like Parrot are the reason everyone gives basic answers.

He's looking for another stoush at the Brownlow. Take your glasses off chump.

[G-Mo77]

You guys being angry about feeds this type of media. Ignore this troll, Kane Cornes has taken a leaf out of his book, Georgie Parker seems to have adopted it as well. Don't feed them and they'll starve.

I'd still love to punch him in the nose though. ;)

[hujsh]

You guys being angry about feeds this type of media. Ignore this troll, Kane Cornes has taken a leaf out of his book, Georgie Parker seems to have adopted it as well. Don't feed them and they'll starve.

I'd still love to punch him in the nose though. ;)

...what?

[EasternWest]

...what?

She's really gone down hill since all saints. Just ask Nathan Templeton.

[hujsh]

She's really gone down hill since all saints. Just ask Nathan Templeton.

Yes... I know who that is...

[Happy Days]

Yes... I know who that is...

How can you not Twodogs never stops banging on about him.

[azabob]

How can you not Twodogs never stops banging on about him.

Where is that guy? I miss his random stories of how the carpet from the espy back in 1981 is now in his hallway or something, something.