If the deals don't get done?

[GVGjr]

The word is that we are a fair way off getting the Josh Dunkley or Rory Lobb deals done.

I think we can all agree that Brisbane's initial offer for Dunkley was unacceptable and they prioritised the two father sons over Dunks.
Lobb is an interesting one, on paper he fits our needs almost perfectly but we seem to be a fair way apart with what Freo expect and what we are prepared to pay.

How would you feel if we walked Dunks to the PSD and we didn't get a deal for Lobb done and that Liam Jones is the only fish that we landed?

I'm a drafts focused person and would like to have more picks this year but I can understand why we don't want to lose Dunkley for a significant discount. I've also been lukewarm about bringing Lobb in for next season.

I think most of us would have been prepared to not get one of these deals done but I'm not so sure about how people would feel about not getting either of those deals done.

What are your thoughts?

[bulldogtragic]

Waco, Texas:

A Davidian recounts leader David Koresh saying it's "too late to turn back," and telling followers that "you're going to get to the point where there is no way out, that, 'You know you're gonna die. And then you're gonna trust God. 'Cause even if it's the last second before the tank hits you, even if it's a foot away and you go, God! You know. And if it's for a second, the last second, it's gonna run you over, or you burn, you know, or you get shot or whatever. ...asked why he hasn't delivered us yet, he says we haven't travailed enough."

[Mofra]

The issue with not getting Lobb across the line is it may hurt in future years, as players may not want to 'do a Dunkley' and nominate a club that can't get the deal done.

[bornadog]

Apparently the Lobb deal will be discussed today with Freo. My gut feel is it will be done, however, seems the Dunkley deal is way off at the moment.

I voted for the last option - let's get some players to fill gaps.

[Mofra]

I'm sure we've considered other deals, I really want us to take a first rounder to draft though. Ideally more.
I'd rather forego a fringe player from another club if it means preserving our earlier picks.

[Grantysghost]

Just get the Dunkley deal done.

I'm actually surprised the club was so openly loving to him at the B and F (in the room people were standing and applauding) and now we won't facilitate a deal.

I get it's on both parties, and no doubt the Lions first offer was unders but can't we just get it done and move onto other things!
Future first and 21. The difference bw 15 and 21 I don't get the angst (eg if we would deal with 15 for eg).

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I have no idea how things will play out but I do suspect what ever happens this trade and draft period will be instructive as to whether Bevo is with us beyond 2023.
If we have a good 2023 then I suspect the club will be able to claim the approach taken in 2022 trade/drat period was justified.
If we struggle then I think the acid will (fairly) come directly onto the football department including the Head Coach.

[Topdog]

Just get the Dunkley deal done.

I'm actually surprised the club was so openly loving to him at the B and F (in the room people were standing and applauding) and now we won't facilitate a deal.

I get it's on both parties, and no doubt the Lions first offer was unders but can't we just get it done and move onto other things!
Future first and 21. The difference bw 15 and 21 I don't get the angst (eg if we would deal with 15 for eg).

we are facilitating a deal, we arent giving him away for nothing.

[lemmon]

I'm probably a much-worse poker player than Power, but I'd be getting close to the point of doing the Dunkley deal at unders and turning our attention elsewhere. He doesn't want to be here, this is the second time it's gone this way with Josh and there's no option for us to hold onto him this time.

I don't think he's critical to our success next year - take the best Brisbane offer we'll get, bank the salary cap space and see what jockeying we can do elsewhere.

I wouldn't be moving from our initial Lobb offer which felt like fair value to me, but that's because I don't want or think we need him.

[Grantysghost]

I'm probably a much-worse poker player than Power, but I'd be getting close to the point of doing the Dunkley deal at unders and turning our attention elsewhere. He doesn't want to be here, this is the second time it's gone this way with Josh and there's no option for us to hold onto him this time.

I don't think he's critical to our success next year - take the best Brisbane offer we'll get, bank the salary cap space and see what jockeying we can do elsewhere.

I wouldn't be moving from our initial Lobb offer which felt like fair value to me, but that's because I don't want or think we need him.

He's screwed us once and dictated the position he wants to play, now he's hi-jacking the trade period. I'm sure we can walk and chew bubble gum but lets be rid of this loathsome priest !

[Grantysghost]

we are facilitating a deal, we arent giving him away for nothing.

Future first and 21 isn't nothing surely ? (To be fair I don't know the current offer).

[chef]

Just get the Dunkley deal done.

I'm actually surprised the club was so openly loving to him at the B and F (in the room people were standing and applauding) and now we won't facilitate a deal.

I get it's on both parties, and no doubt the Lions first offer was unders but can't we just get it done and move onto other things!
Future first and 21. The difference bw 15 and 21 I don't get the angst (eg if we would deal with 15 for eg).
Are they offering 21 and Future 1st ?

[bornadog]

Are they offering 21 and Future 1st ?

They want something back as well

[Grantysghost]

Are they offering 21 and Future 1st ?

That's what is being reported but I've got no idea tbh.

[The Doctor]

If the deals don't get done hit the draft!

[chef]

They want something back as well


Do we even know what the current offer is?

[chef]

That's what is being reported but I've got no idea tbh.

Who is reporting it?

[Grantysghost]

Who is reporting it?

I feel like I'm being led somewhere I don't want to go. Like those Macaroons you callously send to the ovens! ;)

I believe the trade radio guys. I will see if I can find something. It call all be pure speculation.

[bornadog]

Do we even know what the current offer is?

Not really. There have been a number different scenarios. Now that Gunston deal done, I am sure they will thrash this out today.

[Grantysghost]

Who is reporting it?

Fox reported it a couple of days ago :

WHY DOGS WANT ‘MARKET VALUE’ FOR DUNKLEY
The Josh Dunkley stalemate is set to go down to the wire, with reports the Western Bulldogs could walk him to the pre-season draft (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/starting-to-accept-it-dogs-great-disappointed-as-bombshell-draft-option-hangs-over-stars-exit/news-story/6d6fc899a97ef0f297fc6594c39c5580) if Brisbane don’t up their offer.
The deal reportedly on the table for Dunkley is pick 21 and a future first rounder.

If we send him to the draft and don't take that to get some sort of "win" I'll be pretty dissapointed.

[hujsh]

Fox reported it a couple of days ago :

WHY DOGS WANT ‘MARKET VALUE’ FOR DUNKLEY
The Josh Dunkley stalemate is set to go down to the wire, with reports the Western Bulldogs could walk him to the pre-season draft (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/starting-to-accept-it-dogs-great-disappointed-as-bombshell-draft-option-hangs-over-stars-exit/news-story/6d6fc899a97ef0f297fc6594c39c5580) if Brisbane don’t up their offer.
The deal reportedly on the table for Dunkley is pick 21 and a future first rounder.

If we send him to the draft and don't take that to get some sort of "win" I'll be pretty dissapointed.

I think that's the shortened version of the deal and Brisbane still want picks coming back

[Jasper]

The issue with not getting Lobb across the line is it may hurt in future years, as players may not want to 'do a Dunkley' and nominate a club that can't get the deal done.

Definitely a bigger picture in play here much like with Dunkley

[chef]

I feel like I'm being led somewhere I don't want to go. Like those Macaroons you callously send to the ovens! ;)

I believe the trade radio guys. I will see if I can find something. It call all be pure speculation.


It's just outside of some clickbait media we really don't know what they are offering.

[Dogs 24/7]

If the deals don't get done hit the draft!

I agree with this but the question is do we have enough with just 3 or 4 picks spread out?

[chef]

According to Ralphy

Lobb to Dogs is officially on with talks underway. Lions want to trade 21 and a future first for Dunkley. Then 21 could be on traded for Lobb. Or used in the deal. Freo asking for a first rounder for a contracted player. Details here https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f447.png https://heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-the-big-deals-as-it-happens/news-story/bd7a529ec72ba483cdc51d310d666ebb (https://t.co/ekcJRux1fL)

[Grantysghost]

According to Ralphy

Lobb to Dogs is officially on with talks underway. Lions want to trade 21 and a future first for Dunkley. Then 21 could be on traded for Lobb. Or used in the deal. Freo asking for a first rounder for a contracted player. Details here https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f447.pnghttps://heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-the-big-deals-as-it-happens/news-story/bd7a529ec72ba483cdc51d310d666ebb (https://t.co/ekcJRux1fL)

Sounds familiar ;)

Do it I say. Life's too short. Melbourne probably got unders for Jackson, but there's a point to be smart.

[chef]

Sounds familiar ;)

Do it I say. Life's too short. Melbourne probably got unders for Jackson, but there's a point to be smart.


GG is John Ralph?

[bornadog]

According to Ralphy

Lobb to Dogs is officially on with talks underway. Lions want to trade 21 and a future first for Dunkley. Then 21 could be on traded for Lobb. Or used in the deal. Freo asking for a first rounder for a contracted player. Details here https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f447.pnghttps://heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-the-big-deals-as-it-happens/news-story/bd7a529ec72ba483cdc51d310d666ebb (https://t.co/ekcJRux1fL)

Can't read that, but a shorten version on twitter:

I don't like this part:

Freo asking for a first rounder for a contracted player. They can get stuffed

[Grantysghost]

Can't read that, but a shorten version on twitter:

I don't like this part:

Freo asking for a first rounder for a contracted player. They can get stuffed

If it's a future first and Lobb for Dunkley is that ok with most?
I'm fine with it.
We can wish the Lions ill all season next year! Imagine the glory of Dunks missing the finals and us getting a top 10.
#daretodream

[bornadog]

If it's a future first and Lobb for Dunkley is that ok with most?
I'm fine with it.
We can wish the Lions ill all season next year! Imagine the glory of Dunks missing the finals and us getting a top 10.
#daretodream

Freo asking for 1st rounder? You are ok with that?

[Grantysghost]

Freo asking for 1st rounder? You are ok with that?

No way jose b.

[MrMahatma]

I mean, if we end this period with:
1. Jones in.
2. Dunkley out via PSD.

That's pretty sucky and we can look forward to season #4? #5? in a row with a mediocre ruck division. With a thinned out midfield sans Dunkley, are we REALLY any better off? And could we REALLY expect to do better next year? I still rate, very highly, much of our list but the holes are there.

Now... chuck Grundy into the equation and we're in a different zone.

If we were to lose Dunks for nothing, and only bring in Jones, then surely that's a fail for the list management crew (whoever manages the list... maybe it's Power, mostly Bevo will cop the blame).

[Scorlibo]

According to Ralphy

Lobb to Dogs is officially on with talks underway. Lions want to trade 21 and a future first for Dunkley. Then 21 could be on traded for Lobb. Or used in the deal. Freo asking for a first rounder for a contracted player. Details here https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f447.png https://heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-the-big-deals-as-it-happens/news-story/bd7a529ec72ba483cdc51d310d666ebb (https://t.co/ekcJRux1fL)

If this is actually the offer we should take it. Somehow though I think Brisbane are wanting something additional, otherwise I think we would have already taken that deal.

We're all expecting Brisbane's first pick next year to be the same as this year - 15, but if you use the law of averages it's probably more like 12. They're a good side but so were we last year, and they've been up for a while without success, add in the Fagan controversy and I could see them slipping.

12 & 21 is close to the 12 & 19 that sealed the Taranto deal.

Regarding Lobb, I've said it before but I'll be disappointed if we give up anything in the top 30 to get him. I understand that we've made the commitment and that it might now require giving up 21, from the position we're in I think that's probably reasonable, but we got ourselves in this position by courting a contracted 30 year old - a mistake in my view.

[Topdog]

If this is actually the offer we should take it. Somehow though I think Brisbane are wanting something additional, otherwise I think we would have already taken that deal.

We're all expecting Brisbane's first pick next year to be the same as this year - 15, but if you use the law of averages it's probably more like 12. They're a good side but so were we last year, and they've been up for a while without success, add in the Fagan controversy and I could see them slipping.

12 & 21 is close to the 12 & 19 that sealed the Taranto deal.

Regarding Lobb, I've said it before but I'll be disappointed if we give up anything in the top 30 to get him. I understand that we've made the commitment and that it might now require giving up 21, from the position we're in I think that's probably reasonable, but we got ourselves in this position by courting a contracted 30 year old - a mistake in my view.

They arent offering 12 & 21 though, its highly likely that next year 1st rounder for Brisbane will be 15+, feels like it will be 17 & 21.

[AshMac]

They arent offering 12 & 21 though, its highly likely that next year 1st rounder for Brisbane will be 15+, feels like it will be 17 & 21.

Probably 19 and 23 after the FS and Academy players.

So in short - could be 2 second round picks

[Scraggers]

If the offer was 21 plus a future first and second pick for Dunkley and our future third/fourth rounder, I’m listening.

In regards to Lobb. The only get 21 if they give something back.

I’m still very happy to walk Dunkley to the PSD with a contract in our hand for him as we guide him there

[kruder]

Id take future first and 21 for Dunkley if I could trade Lobb in for pick 30.

[Flamethrower]

The Lions need as many points as possible to facilitate matching likely bids for Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.

I would do the Dunkley deal this way: Dunkley plus our 2022 3rd round pick for pick 21, the Lion's 2023 1st round pick and 2023 2nd round pick. That gives them more points this year when they need them, and us more picks in 2023.

Then I would offer pick 21 to Fremantle for Lobb. Or keep 21 and offer Fremantle our 2nd round pick and 4th round pick for their 4th round pick and Lobb.

[GVGjr]

If the offer was 21 plus a future first and second pick for Dunkley and our future third/fourth rounder, I’m listening.

In regards to Lobb. The only get 21 if they give something back.

I’m still very happy to walk Dunkley to the PSD with a contract in our hand for him as we guide him there

I can see the merit in this suggestion.

[bulldogtragic]

They have Gunston.
They have enough points for Ashcroft & Fletcher.
They have offered up Future First for Dunkley.

They are so close to a mammoth trade period result. It’s bloody mindedness to refuse a player trade or work harder to put up sufficient picks. They are so close to pulling off the allegedly impossible while still holding future 2nd, 3rd and 4ths. I can’t understand why they haven’t just secured him with a decisive trade. But whatever.

[bornadog]

Id take future first and 21 for Dunkley if I could trade Lobb in for pick 30.

I think that would be the best case scenario. Let's hope Brisbane finish down the ladder as well - that would top it off

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Id take future first and 21 for Dunkley if I could trade Lobb in for pick 30.

Yep - it's a bit unders but I can live with that. If we end up moving 21 on in any way to get Lobb, it's back to being a poor result.

[bulldogtragic]

Yep - it's a bit unders but I can live with that. If we end up moving 21 on in any way to get Lobb, it's back to being a poor result.

They’re demanding 39 back. So it’s a Future First and an 18 pick upgrade.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

They’re demanding 39 back. So it’s a Future First and an 18 pick upgrade.

Add Lohmann and I'll do it.

[bulldogtragic]

Add Lohmann and I'll do it.

Two outcomes on above.

1. Dunkley PSD, Lobb fails to get here, just a 30 year Jones

2. Lobb, Jones, Lohmann (Mature KPF/Ruck, Mature KPD, Exciting Small Forward, Future First)

Talk about extremes!

[GVGjr]

If the Dunkley offer is as weak as is being mentioned and we have to chip in a lot more for Lobb it's essentially going to be lose Dunkley gain Lobb and some bits n pieces and that will be a terrible result.

[Happy Days]

It’s becoming an impressively bad trade period.

[GVGjr]

It’s becoming an impressively bad trade period.

For whatever reason I'm all calm about it.

[Grantysghost]

Schache to Melbourne seems a definite from what they're saying on the afl broadcast.
They didn't mention Hunter at all.

[GVGjr]

Schache to Melbourne seems a definite from what they're saying on the afl broadcast.
They didn't mention Hunter at all.

I'll miss him. His form was very good this year but when Bruce came back we weren't interested in playing him.

[DOG GOD]

Sweet needs to have an out of body pre season at this rate.

[josie]

I’m really sad to see Schache go. Hope he does well and receives more opportunities than with us, even though it’s with the Dees. Could be another in the list of players that do ok elsewhere. Having watched the vfl games this year I really felt like he was turning the corner with his intent. Perhaps club is right and his lack of grit will see him fail at his 3rd club. Only time will tell.

All the best Josh.

[Hotdog60]

If brown drops form or gets injured he'll get his chance as they play similar in the forward line as lead up type players.

[F'scary]

Melbourne have traded F4 pick (currently 72 and worth 0 draft points) for Schache. I suppose that means we got something for him.

[bulldogtragic]

Out: Weiderman, 4th Future
In: Schache, Pick 37

Hunt out for Pick 54
Bedford out for Pick 44

Plus Grundy for 27, $300,000 a year, and a heap of picks for Jackson.

Melbourne, Richmond and Geelong getting even stronger in the short and medium terms. Brisbane and Freo maybe too. Many of top 8 teams from this year are getting stronger.

[DOG GOD]

And we have been having high tea with scones for a week

[mjp]

It’s becoming an impressively bad trade period.

I'm actively cheering for the PSD (for Dunks) right now.

I don't care if we don't get what we want. Just as long as Brisbane and Dunks don't get what they want.

Yep - I'm bitter and NO, I simply don't care about getting 'Nothing' for him. NOTHING would be better than him right now in any case. Loved him as a player and respected the way he toiled away all year despite having made the decision to leave...but right now I hope he goes to NM and that news is followed the next day by Clarkson being stood down and NM being forced to re-ignite their search for a senior coach.

[EasternWest]

I'm actively cheering for the PSD (for Dunks) right now.

I don't care if we don't get what we want. Just as long as Brisbane and Dunks don't get what they want.

Yep - I'm bitter and NO, I simply don't care about getting 'Nothing' for him. NOTHING would be better than him right now in any case. Loved him as a player and respected the way he toiled away all year despite having made the decision to leave...but right now I hope he goes to NM and that news is followed the next day by Clarkson being stood down and NM being forced to re-ignite their search for a senior coach.

Josh Dunkley to North and Andrew Dunkley to be named new coach.

It's Trump style 4 d chess.

[Grantysghost]

I'm actively cheering for the PSD (for Dunks) right now.

I don't care if we don't get what we want. Just as long as Brisbane and Dunks don't get what they want.

Yep - I'm bitter and NO, I simply don't care about getting 'Nothing' for him. NOTHING would be better than him right now in any case. Loved him as a player and respected the way he toiled away all year despite having made the decision to leave...but right now I hope he goes to NM and that news is followed the next day by Clarkson being stood down and NM being forced to re-ignite their search for a senior coach.
MJP he doesn't want to be with us, we need to accept this breakup like adults.
Yes, he and Tippah are insanely good looking and it's hard to let that go... But it's time.

[mjp]

MJP he doesn't want to be with us, we need to accept this breakup like adults.
Yes, he and Tippah are insanely good looking and it's hard to let that go... But it's time.

I've accepted it. But I'm not helping him leave - he can pack his own bags and hitch a ride to Arden St.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I've accepted it. But I'm not helping him leave - he can pack his own bags and hitch a ride to Arden St.

It's also raining right now so there's the added bonus that further ruins his day.

[DOG GOD]

I'm actively cheering for the PSD (for Dunks) right now.

I don't care if we don't get what we want. Just as long as Brisbane and Dunks don't get what they want.

Yep - I'm bitter and NO, I simply don't care about getting 'Nothing' for him. NOTHING would be better than him right now in any case. Loved him as a player and respected the way he toiled away all year despite having made the decision to leave...but right now I hope he goes to NM and that news is followed the next day by Clarkson being stood down and NM being forced to re-ignite their search for a senior coach.

Agree 100%

[G-Mo77]

I swore I wouldn't tune into to trade radio/video. Here I am having a beer watching it.

[mjp]

I swore I wouldn't tune into to trade radio/video. Here I am having a beer watching it.

I'm lucky - it's only 3pm here and I am supposedly 'working' till 8:30pm tonight. Right now that involves locking my office door, ignoring my clients and staff and refreshing WOOF.

[EasternWest]

I swore I wouldn't tune into to trade radio/video. Here I am having a beer watching it.

Thanks for your service.

[1eyedog]

I'm actively cheering for the PSD (for Dunks) right now.

I don't care if we don't get what we want. Just as long as Brisbane and Dunks don't get what they want.

Yep - I'm bitter and NO, I simply don't care about getting 'Nothing' for him. NOTHING would be better than him right now in any case. Loved him as a player and respected the way he toiled away all year despite having made the decision to leave...but right now I hope he goes to NM and that news is followed the next day by Clarkson being stood down and NM being forced to re-ignite their search for a senior coach.

Bang and thanks for all the fish.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I really hope we don’t give pick 21 for Lobb. We gave up pick 19 for Steven Koops and Fremantle picked Mundy with that pick. I’d rather take pick 21 to the draft. Spending it on a 30 year old is bollocks

[Topdog]

mjp right now
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