WB Game Day V St. Kilda R2 2023 - Saturday 25 March 7:25PM, Marvel Stadium

[SonofScray]

I don't know where to put this but entrance arrangements were horrible tonight. We were treated like �� tonight as members and I would say to anyone thinking of taking out a membership, don't bother the AFL makes you queue up like you are the away team.

There was an issue with my dad’s barcode and they weren’t very helpful at all. He’s not going again, he told me.

[G-Mo77]

There was an issue with my dad’s barcode and they weren’t very helpful at all. He’s not going again, he told me.

I wish my card was rejected at the gate. I'd be a lot happier.

[GVGjr]

There was an issue with my dad’s barcode and they weren’t very helpful at all. He’s not going again, he told me.

I was talking to a couple of player sponsors who brought their 2022 membership cards by mistake and they went to the Bulldogs tent who quickly checked and gave the the appropriate passes. Have to say that's pretty impressive and I know the sponsors thought the club had gone out of their way.

[Dancin' Douggy]

well I clicked on that link it was the most garbled corporate speak garbage 'learned outcomes' targeted directives' lame arsed nonsense I've ever had the misfortune to be tortured by. Bevo thanks for 2016 but tonight was just the final catastrophe in a slow decline since then.

[SonofScray]

I was talking to a couple of player sponsors who brought their 2022 membership cards by mistake and they went to the Bulldogs tent who quickly checked and gave the the appropriate passes. Have to say that's pretty impressive and I know the sponsors thought the club had gone out of their way.

I should clarify, this was stadium staff.

Club staff usually very good. The issue for me was my dad is as an old fella doesn’t have the luxury of just walking another lap of the ground from where he came. Not fair to expect him to do that, when he has a ticket and it’s just the scanner\barcode that’s an issue. They should have just let him in and encouraged him to ring the club to sort it out for next week.

[angelopetraglia]

Mitch Cleary

Ross Lyon says Saints skipper Jack Steele will go for scans tomorrow on a shoulder injury. Some concern it could be an AC
joint injury or hairline fracture.

Lyon added that premiership Dog Zaine Cordy was essential in the planning to undo his former side.

[GVGjr]

From a midfield perspective do we think No Dunks No Dogs could have some merit?

[SonofScray]

From a midfield perspective do we think No Dunks No Dogs could have some merit?

Unfortunately, yes.

Bont looked like he was trying to cover for everyone last night, doing the job of at least 2 midfielders, 1 defender and one half forward.

[The Underdog]

Unfortunately, yes.

Bont looked like he was trying to cover for everyone last night, doing the job of at least 2 midfielders, 1 defender and one half forward.

Gonna put together some Cotton On sponsored Instagram posts of one of his teammates running at quarter pace every time the Saints had the footy.

[lemmon]

From a midfield perspective do we think No Dunks No Dogs could have some merit?

Yep. Besides Libba - who's our mid winning first hands on the footy from the ruck contest? Or tackling and harassing around stoppages? We've gone from a glut of inside mids to a shortage

[Grantysghost]

I was talking to a couple of player sponsors who brought their 2022 membership cards by mistake and they went to the Bulldogs tent who quickly checked and gave the the appropriate passes. Have to say that's pretty impressive and I know the sponsors thought the club had gone out of their way.

It was very well organised last night and during the week to let us know Ameet would be in the room.

No complaints from me.

[Grantysghost]

From a midfield perspective do we think No Dunks No Dogs could have some merit?

We all knew he was a gun player, I don’t think I realised how many holes he was covering.

If we are relying on others to fill the void he left we might be in for a shock.

He was not conditional in his effort that’s for sure.

[Grantysghost]

Yep. Besides Libba - who's our mid winning first hands on the footy from the ruck contest? Or tackling and harassing around stoppages? We've gone from a glut of inside mids to a shortage
Bont was great last night, mind you I think MJP was right he looks heavy. He’s not breaking lines the way he was in 21 with four guys hanging off him. Noticed he goes to ground more than he used to as well.

Shudder to think where we’d be without he and Libba.

[SonofScray]

I wandered down to the race post game for the first time in years. I warmed to see how restless the other natives were.

One group absolutely laid into the players, who were despondent but clearly not happy with the treatment. Don’t think it was disgraceful fan behaviour, but it did seem misdirected. We got around the players in response, “come on boys, you’re better than that, find something, show us your best” etc

I did give the a president an earful though. I’m sure it’s written off as incoherent, bogan drivel, or not processed in amongst the noise. Just wanted to make sure she knows that fans are angry, things are going toxic and it’s her job as a leader to crack the whip.

[Bullies]

Unfortunately, yes.

Bont looked like he was trying to cover for everyone last night, doing the job of at least 2 midfielders, 1 defender and one half forward.
Dunks should have been our next Captain.

[merantau]

Bevo presser

https://www.afl.com.au/video/889842/full-post-match-r2-bulldogs?videoId=889842&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1679747726001&references=AFL_MATCH:4799

That was a tremendous performance by Bevo under the most stressful of circumstances. And I'm not being sarcastic here. However, there is a herd of elephants in the room.

After an appalling performance in Round 1 you simply have to come out guns blazing in the first quater. And it is down to the coaching team to make sure that happens. And what happened? We played an entire game, apart from 12 minutes, like wet squibs.

Why didn't we start the game with some push and shove, some shouder to shoulder? We played like deer in the headlights. Our skills, even under little pressure were shocking. Thirty metre passes down back to players in space missed their mark and put the receiver under pressure and resulted in the ball being turned over with the next kick.

During the game Bevo looked shell shocked. I've never seen a coach with such a look of forlorn bewilderment on his face. He looked like he'd fallen through his dreams and the earth was approaching at the rate of knots. It was painful to see.

You heard Bevo say "the players are a really close group". If I was in the players leadership group I would put all that footage of a stressed out Bevo on a loop, get the team together at a secret meeting, get them to watch it and tell it straight: "We are killing this bloke. Is that what we want to do? If not, let's effing DO SOMETHING!!"

[lemmon]

Dunks should have been our next Captain.

I mean, he's a gun player, but the bloke didn't want to be at the club since 2020

[Grantysghost]

Dunks should have been our next Captain.
I think prior to him wanting out he was ear marked to be Bont’s heir apparent.

[jazzadogs]

We did play most of 2021 without Dunkley or Treloar and didn't seem to have a problem. What's changed since then?

I disagree that Dunks should have been captain...but I wouldn't mind us having a hard nosed competitor who can communicate and build social connections, ala Matthew Boyd, as that would help with the player accountability that mjp spoke about.

[SonofScray]

That was a tremendous performance by Bevo under the most stressful of circumstances. And I'm not being sarcastic here. However, there is a herd of elephants in the room.

After an appalling performance in Round 1 you simply have to come out guns blazing in the first quater. And it is down to the coaching team to make sure that happens. And what happened? We played an entire game, apart from 12 minutes, like wet squibs.

Why didn't we start the game with some push and shove, some shouder to shoulder? We played like deer in the headlights. Our skills, even under little pressure were shocking. Thirty metre passes down back to players in space missed their mark and put the receiver under pressure and resulted in the ball being turned over with the next kick.

During the game Bevo looked shell shocked. I've never seen a coach with such a look of forlorn bewilderment on his face. He looked like he'd fallen through his dreams and the earth was approaching at the rate of knots. It was painful to see.

You heard Bevo say "the players are a really close group". If I was in the players leadership group I would put all that footage of a stressed out Bevo on a loop, get the team together at a secret meeting, get them to watch it and tell it straight: "We are killing this bloke. Is that what we want to do? If not, let's effing DO SOMETHING!!"

Glad someone else noticed that. The man looked like he was going to faint. Sweaty, shell shocked mess. Was worrying.

Great point about the players’ response too, you’d like to think they are feeling some of that weight too, just enough to galvanise them and shake off this malaise when we make the call.

[RedWhite&Blue]

I’ve been a staunch defender of Bevo but that ends now…
We are a rudderless ship that is sinking and unfortunately that is on Bevo.
No one is bigger than the club and I think it’s now become obvious to all that he needs to depart.
That is up there with the worst losses in our history… what’s so falling is that we had lofty expectations only 3 weeks ago. But those expectations have vanished and are replaced by jungle drums calling for the Coach to depart.
Absolutely unbelievable.

[azabob]

I have lost count how many times Bevo said the playing group are really close. Does not matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true.

I would love to see us galvanise on field for more than 15 minutes.

Club could not be further apart on field, off field, member base, supporter base and the social media trolls.

[anfo27]

From a midfield perspective do we think No Dunks No Dogs could have some merit?

No. We saw this rubbish last season. Last night should be a perfect example that the names of the players mean little when your an organised outfit that plays like a team.

[Grantysghost]

I’ve been a staunch defender of Bevo but that ends now…
We are a rudderless ship that is sinking and unfortunately that is on Bevo.
No one is bigger than the club and I think it’s now become obvious to all that he needs to depart.
That is up there with the worst losses in our history… what’s so falling is that we had lofty expectations only 3 weeks ago. But those expectations have vanished and are replaced by jungle drums calling for the Coach to depart.
Absolutely unbelievable.

To that end do you think it can change back as fast? We get back Weightman, Treloar, Lobb, Gardner we already look far better. We beat the Lions (which I think we can) and we will start to feel hope again.

I don’t think moving on Bevo would be a good idea, as I’ve said highly qualified assistants around him is the way forward.

[angelopetraglia]

To that end do you think it can change back as fast? We get back Weightman, Treloar, Lobb, Gardner we already look far better. We beat the Lions (which I think we can) and we will start to feel hope again.

I don?t think moving on Bevo would be a good idea, as I?ve said highly qualified assistants around him is the way forward.

I love your confidence. I want to believe. I'm normally an optimist. But I don’t just see it. My thinking is the opposite. What happens when we lose by 100 points to the Lions in a prime time TV slot?

[kruder]

To that end do you think it can change back as fast? We get back Weightman, Treloar, Lobb, Gardner we already look far better. We beat the Lions (which I think we can) and we will start to feel hope again.

I don?t think moving on Bevo would be a good idea, as I?ve said highly qualified assistants around him is the way forward.

We already had the review and brought in Lade only? How many more years should we wait to get highly qualified assistants?

Does Bevo want highly qualified assistents?

[Go_Dogs]

Watching the footage Bevo was absolutely shell shocked in the box last night. He looked tense, bewildered and isolated.

Will give the presser a watch shortly.

[kruder]

Watching the footage Bevo was absolutely shell shocked in the box last night. He looked tense, bewildered and isolated.

Will give the presser a watch shortly.

Yeah I know was sad to see, it looked like reality was hitting him in the face.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

To that end do you think it can change back as fast? We get back Weightman, Treloar, Lobb, Gardner we already look far better. We beat the Lions (which I think we can) and we will start to feel hope again.

I don’t think moving on Bevo would be a good idea, as I’ve said highly qualified assistants around him is the way forward.
Yes the team can of course turn it around with tbose players back but I can't turn around my hope after horror that was yesterday.
I am an optimist but can't be about us yet.
Grantysghost you have a big heart.

[Mantis]

That was as bad as a performance we’ve had in Beveridge’s tenure… St.Kilda are a below average team and they played us off the park… well we shot ourselves in the foot, but you know what I mean.

Our coaching group seem that have run out of ideas and put faith in players they shouldn’t.

I left early (1/2 way through the last qtr) as I had a tired little boy to get home and it was shocking to see how many supporters/ members were leaving too… and all were in dismay to what they had witnessed.

Every line (defence, midfield and attack) has massive issues and whilst it can be partially solved when we’re at full strength, the lack of intent to defend and our woeful kicking skills make it hard to see this fixed anytime soon… and it’s only Rd.2!

Was really looking forward to the season, but now it feels like the next 5 months are going to torturous.

On a positive note my little bloke smashed it in his Auskick game…. Gave his Nana an extremely proud moment when crowd members on level 2 were giving a huge compliment to a little boy running the length of the field to kick goals.. she said with delight, ‘that’s my grandson!’

[SonofScray]

That was as bad as a performance we’ve had in Beveridge’s tenure… St.Kilda are a below average team and they played us off the park… well we shot ourselves in the foot, but you know what I mean.

Our coaching group seem that have run out of ideas and put faith in players they shouldn’t.

I left early (1/2 way through the last qtr) as I had a tired little boy to get home and it was shocking to see how many supporters/ members were leaving too… and all were in dismay to what they had witnessed.

Every line (defence, midfield and attack) has massive issues and whilst it can be partially solved when we’re at full strength, the lack of intent to defend and our woeful kicking skills make it hard to see this fixed anytime soon… and it’s only Rd.2!

Was really looking forward to the season, but now it feels like the next 5 months are going to torturous.

On a positive note my little bloke smashed it in his Auskick game…. Gave his Nana an extremely proud moment when crowd members on level 2 were giving a huge compliment to a little boy running the length of the field to kick goals.. she said with delight, ‘that’s my grandson!’
I saw one little fella run the length of the field and kick a goal. Dominated! Good lad.

[merantau]

It is far too early to begin talking about changing the helmsman. If things continue in the same vein then Bevo is a smart enough bloke to make the call himself. He will put the Club first - guaranteed.

[macca]

To that end do you think it can change back as fast? We get back Weightman, Treloar, Lobb, Gardner we already look far better. We beat the Lions (which I think we can) and we will start to feel hope again.

I don?t think moving on Bevo would be a good idea, as I?ve said highly qualified assistants around him is the way forward.

I did not see the match ( saved myself the dispair and frustration) , I heard the first 3 goals to the saints on the radio and same old same old as last week, switched off but saw the press conference.

Bevo Luke was flat and kinda shocked, looked like he really had no excuse for the team's flat performance again this week. Like a student who goes to performance everyweek , and has not done all the homework:
-fitness ?
-skills ?
-effort ?
-game plan ???
all under question.

Lyon's presso, gives credit to all his assistants, they are the ones doing the hard drills and enforcement. "What you see in training , you expect to see in the game" and reward players on selection. Gave credit to Butler and Zaine's efforts in the backline.

Quote from Lyons , on examples of effort :

I've seen Mattaes at training kicking it from outside 50. I've experienced Mitch Owens' workrate.

"We haven't hoped with Caminiti. He came in the first day at training and took those marks, he had that ground level, he has that speed.

"We picked them on what we saw and what they've been doing in AFL footy.

[Bigdog]

Worst performance in the Bevo era.

I hope there is a player driven meeting where some home truths are told to a few players. A large portion of this falls under player leadership aswelll as coaching.

1% chance we can turn this around like Geelong did after they got thumped by north at Kadina in 07.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I did not see the match ( saved myself the dispair and frustration) , I head the first 3 goals to the saints on the radio and same old same old as last week, switched off but saw the press conference.

Bevo Luke was flat and kinda shocked, looked like he really had no excuse for the team's flat performance again this week. Like a student who goes to performance everyweek , and has not done all the homework:
-fitness ?
-skills ?
-effort ?
-game plan ???
all under question.

Lyon's presso, gives credit to all his assistants, they are the ones doing the hard drills and enforcement. "What you see in training , you expect to see in the game" and reward players on selection. Gave credit to Butler and Zaine's efforts in the backline.

Could it be that our effort issues are hidden in training? I mean if the effort we see on game day is what is given in training, then our ball movement won't look bad either at training given a state side could take advantage of our woeful effort and pressure. Then suddenly we come up against a much harder opposition and we're out of our depth. That is honestly then different league stuff. Dunkley has already alluded to different standards at brisbane. Could we seriously be that off the mark?

[azabob]

I left early (1/2 way through the last qtr) as I had a tired little boy to get home and it was shocking to see how many supporters/ members were leaving too… and all were in dismay to what they had witnessed.

’

As an aside I can't help but laugh at the poor luck of a few bulldog supporters I spoke to on the way home.

They left at three quarter time to catch the early train home; which of course was cancelled and then they had to wait until the next one which was jam packed.

Kind of sums the night up.

[macca]

Could it be that our effort issues are hidden in training? I mean if the effort we see on game day is what is given in training, then our ball movement won't look bad either at training given a state side could take advantage of our woeful effort and pressure. Then suddenly we come up against a much harder opposition and we're out of our depth. That is honestly then different league stuff. Dunkley has already alluded to different standards at brisbane. Could we seriously be that off the mark?

At elite sports, it does not take much to be off the mark, even 1% and your opponent is all over you. If there are multiple factors that are off standard , then its a gulf.

There are many things which are off at training with this team.

When Lyon joined the saints in his first stint he could not believe how poor their fitness level was compared to Sydney. They did not do leg strengthening exercise. He also did goal kicking under fatigue.

[Curly5]

I have lost count how many times Bevo said the playing group are really close. Does not matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true.

I would love to see us galvanise on field for more than 15 minutes.

Club could not be further apart on field, off field, member base, supporter base and the social media trolls.

Sadly true. Count the number of players who have initiated leaving, over the past few years. The better and better ones are going, all revealing hints of their reasons. Hope we can hang on to Bont. He wouldn't be the first captain to depart. I hear he is frustrated with the coaching.

[Mantis]

I saw one little fella run the length of the field and kick a goal. Dominated! Good lad.

My little bloke played in the game on the city side FP at the Bourke St end (in front of the low 40 rows). He was in the red team and made several attempts to run the length of the field.

He had a ball and saved me and his grandparents from having what was for the rest of the Bulldogs faithful, a truly shit night.

[EasternWest]

My little bloke played in the game on the city side FP at the Bourke St end (in front of the low 40 rows). He was in the red team and made several attempts to run the length of the field.

He had a ball and saved me and his grandparents from having what was for the rest of the Bulldogs faithful, a truly shit night.

Did you make him shave his head and specifically request he wear the no 10?

[Mantis]

Did you make him shave his head and specifically request he wear the no 10?

He won more contested possessions in 10min on that field than the Bald Eagle did in 10 years so he’s already in front with that. :cool:

[The bulldog tragician]

I feel so sad, and shellshocked at how truly terrible we were, and absolutely out of ideas, as it appears the club is too, about how this cam be turned around.

I’d like to get some views on our on field leadership. Nobody could love Bont and Jackson more than me, but I’m increasingly concerned at how they go about it. I see anger, frustration, even petulance. In 2016 finals, even when there were bad errors, you would see M Boyd and Dale Morris going up to the guy concerned, patting him on the bum, reassuring them and getting them refocused. We see our leaders annoyed and niggled, walking away with hands on hips and visibly aggrieved, adding to the bad vibes.

I’m also increasingly of the view that if we can’t manufacture a game plan which plays to Naughton’s strengths, he may as well play back. Maybe the rebuild which seems to be approaching like a roaring freight train needs to start in defence, and he could be the guy central to it.

[merantau]

Naughton is always a marked man but we seem to put no thought into putting in a little innocuous block to give him a better chance of taking the mark. That's team football and it's down to the coaching staff to practise and refine those skills.

[bornadog]

I’m also increasingly of the view that if we can’t manufacture a game plan which plays to Naughton’s strengths, he may as well play back. Maybe the rebuild which seems to be approaching like a roaring freight train needs to start in defence, and he could be the guy central to it.

I think once JUH and Darcy mature, and start holding marks and kicking goals, then Naughton may go back. That could be a few years away, but at the moment, we need blokes to kick goals. I think I counted about 5 marks that JUH just didn't hold, or bounced off his chest.

The trouble last night was Lyon clogged the game up (as he does), and we didn't work out a way to get around his defence and get the ball past half forward flank. As I said in another thread, the inside 50 count was pretty bad, and I would say the game last night was the worse game since BMacc days when we couldn't kick goals in a half.

[FrediKanoute]

I only watched the 1st half as I had other commitments, but a it was enough to tell me too things:

1) we are a lazy team. If you have 2 or 3 Saints swarming the ball carrier, that means that there should be 1 or 2 free players. Where are they?

2) when we lift our workrate we are a good team. For the last 5 mins of the 2nd quarter we played the game on our terms and got back within a kick. Sadlky it was the only 5 mins of the match we played.

[jeemak]

I only watched the 1st half as I had other commitments, but a it was enough to tell me too things:

1) we are a lazy team. If you have 2 or 3 Saints swarming the ball carrier, that means that there should be 1 or 2 free players. Where are they?

2) when we lift our workrate we are a good team. For the last 5 mins of the 2nd quarter we played the game on our terms and got back within a kick. Sadlky it was the only 5 mins of the match we played.

It's not complicated, is it?

Issues with game plan, personnel, Bevo's alarming new teeth and many others things seem to go away when we work hard!

[D Mitchell]

I feel so sad, and shellshocked at how truly terrible we were, and absolutely out of ideas, as it appears the club is too, about how this cam be turned around.

I’d like to get some views on our on field leadership. Nobody could love Bont and Jackson more than me, but I’m increasingly concerned at how they go about it. I see anger, frustration, even petulance. In 2016 finals, even when there were bad errors, you would see M Boyd and Dale Morris going up to the guy concerned, patting him on the bum, reassuring them and getting them refocused. We see our leaders annoyed and niggled, walking away with hands on hips and visibly aggrieved, adding to the bad vibes.

I’m also increasingly of the view that if we can’t manufacture a game plan which plays to Naughton’s strengths, he may as well play back. Maybe the rebuild which seems to be approaching like a roaring freight train needs to start in defence, and he could be the guy central to it.

I'm equally perplexed, how did it happen ? The best I can come up with is that we are still playing 2016 style when the mode has moved on from possession to explosion.

Bolded bit. You don't miss much. I'll watch for that on Thursday evening.T

[bornadog]

I'm equally perplexed, how did it happen ? The best I can come up with is that we are still playing 2016 style when the mode has moved on from possession to explosion.

Bolded bit. You don't miss much. I'll watch for that on Thursday evening.T

Players must get really dejected when they work their butt off and get the ball into the forward line, and the forwards miss easy goals.

[Grantysghost]

AFLCA votes :

Western Bulldogs v St Kilda
6 - Rowan Marshall (STK)
6 - Jack Steele (STK)
5 - Mason Wood (STK)
4 - Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
4 - Jack Sinclair (STK)
2 - Mitch Owens (STK)
2 - Mattaes Phillipou (STK)
1 - Bradley Hill (STK)

Leaderboard
20 - Luke Davies-Uniacke (NMFC)
15 - Nick Daicos (COLL)
13 - Darcy Parish (ESS)
12 - Toby Greene (GWS)
12 - Luke Ryan (FRE)
11 - Nick Larkey (NMFC)
11 - Jake Lever (MELB)
11 - Callum Mills (SYD)
11 - Mason Redman (ESS)
10 - Jordan De Goey (COLL)
10 - Tim Kelly (WCE)
10 - Daniel Rioli (RICH)
10 - Chad Warner (SYD)
10 - Dayne Zorko (BL)
9 - Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)
9 - Charlie Curnow (CARL)
9 - Jason Horne-Francis (PORT)
9 - Kysaiah Pickett (MELB)
9 - Harry Sheezel (NMFC)
9 - Jack Sinclair (STK)

[Grantysghost]

Might be some fuel there for the English effectiveness questioners with Marshall getting 6.

The breakdown of the votes is interesting.

Marshall maybe got 5 and 1?

Did Bevo give him 5!? Somebody smarter than me work it out.