WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

[1eyedog]

Not buying it. If we beat Carlton next week I might start thinking we're building. Knocking over the bottom end of the comp the last 3 weeks proves very little and especially after doing our traditional meltdown tonight. I'm sick of seeing it.

Geez dude you'd give Adam Kingsley a run for his money.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Bevo is very salty about our performance tonight.... I like it..

He kinda even gave Bont a clip.
When set up by the journo to give a nice verbal feel good cuddle to Bont for how amazing he was tonight, he didn't bite and actually said yep,..and there were some other influential mids out there to.. I thought Tom Green was terrific...

He was really seething.. and he wasn't afraid to articulate with examples of what he was talking about. Some of the situations where we had all but won the clearance and just given it to them, by fumbling or turning it over unexpectedly.

[angelopetraglia]

They had 49 possessions and 11 more inside 50s. To win is highly unusual for us with those type of differentiations. We normally have more possessions and inside 50s and either just win or lose in the Bevo era.

Good sign that we could win with that differential. Not a good sign to concede that differential. Bevo made it clear in the presser he wasn’t happy with some of the numbers.

[jeemak]

That patch after XOH scored for them felt like the weekly collapse, such was the panic and swift nature of their 4 goal run. Su ked a bit of joy and some percentage out of the win.

Actual video from Ernst Huber SOS played in how to sharpen knives in readiness for the Bevo thread to be dusted off!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWbhG981nUI

[bornadog]

GWS are cracked - give it up losers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb1lKVagAApIvJ?format=jpg&name=medium

[Eastdog]

GWS are cracked - give it up losers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb1lKVagAApIvJ?format=jpg&name=medium

Always good to beat them. We have that recent history with them the greatest being the 2016 prelim final win and the worst the 2019 elimination final loss when the were beating us up.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

GWS are cracked - give it up losers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb1lKVagAApIvJ?format=jpg&name=medium

Haha I love this.

This is an organic genuine rivalry, not an AFL orchestrated rivalry.

Kudos to both clubs in how it's developed over the years. If anything, we should be trying to work with the Giants to play them in a marquee game/time slot each year.

[jeemak]

GWS are cracked - give it up losers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb1lKVagAApIvJ?format=jpg&name=medium

I actually love that we get to live inside their head after 2016. We gave them a massive clip on our banner in the lead up to the prelim, that sort of thing should be retaliated against from the Giants.

[bornadog]

I actually love that we get to live inside their head after 2016. We gave them a massive clip on our banner in the lead up to the prelim, that sort of thing should be retaliated against from the Giants.

Ours tonight

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb2xyFaIAQl9rd?format=jpg&name=medium

[bornadog]

Ours tonight

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb2xyFaIAQl9rd?format=jpg&name=medium

Daniel Gorringe @GorringeDaniel

I’ve finally made it. Career highlight

:D

[macca]

GWS are cracked - give it up losers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb1lKVagAApIvJ?format=jpg&name=medium

The 7 year Kelly deal has probably lost them a few players .

They really haven't replaced:
- Cameron
- Taranto
- Berry
- Griffen
- Big Mummy
- the bull Sam Reid

Their backline is ok.

[josie]

They had 49 possessions and 11 more inside 50s. To win is highly unusual for us with those type of differentiations. We normally have more possessions and inside 50s and either just win or lose in the Bevo era.

Good sign that we could win with that differential. Not a good sign to concede that differential. Bevo made it clear in the presser he wasn?t happy with some of the numbers.

Oranges very unlucky with 3 posters that easily could have been goals. Plus Hogan?s poor miss at end Q1.

[EasternWest]

GWS are cracked - give it up losers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvb1lKVagAApIvJ?format=jpg&name=medium


Eh. I think that's pretty funny.

Of course, our banner whenever we play GWS should just be this:

https://i.postimg.cc/fLH6DKx2/images-41.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Meh. Over rated. Jones will have a field day

I mean it was pretty much just Hogan as a genuine forward tonight. No Greene and he still managed what should have been 4 goals.

I thought our mids were close to shithouse tonight with their effort aside from Treloar and Bonts first half. Dish that up next week and we'll be on trouble. Not saying Carlton are a top 4 team or anything but they're the type of side who will carve us up if we play this lazy, uninspiring and soft football.

[The bulldog tragician]

The Giants really are just tiresome. Contrived and manufactured BS at every point including their humourless banner and putting together a compilation of their thuggish behaviour as an example of a “rivalry”. The Tom Greene appreciation shed or whatever that was. It looked like it had more Bulldogs fans milling around than any crusty old “veteran” supporters.

Anyway…we were good enough in the times that mattered and though I wish those terrifying lapses would stop happening maybe there’s growing evidence that we have some ways to put the brakes on. Agree Treloar out shook up that balance.

Arty really is growing every week. Apart from those goals he had two fantastic tackles that weren’t rewarded. The umpiring was abysmal.

After round two, there was talk of us being bottom 4, Bevo being sacked and another year wasted. We’d have been thrilled to know we would only drop one game in the weeks to come with a pretty tough schedule. It’s all about banking wins, and we’re building, but we do have some out of form players that worry me - Keath and Duryea are really struggling and Gardner seemed off the pace tonight.

[jeemak]

I mean it was pretty much just Hogan as a genuine forward tonight. No Greene and he still managed what should have been 4 goals.

I thought our mids were close to shithouse tonight with their effort aside from Treloar and Bonts first half. Dish that up next week and we'll be on trouble. Not saying Carlton are a top 4 team or anything but they're the type of side who will carve us up if we play this lazy, uninspiring and soft football.

Tackles from mids:

Bont - 7
English - 6
Daniel - 5
Liberatore - 4
Smith - 3
Treloar - 2
Macrae - 1

You might say some of the clearance work from Bont meant our tackling wasn't going to be as prolific in the contest, but as I look at that given the conditions I think we were a little down on where we should have been. Coming back from concussion is a weird experience and perhaps this impacted Libba's output, though I think across the board it will be something we focus on this week.

[bornadog]

I mean it was pretty much just Hogan as a genuine forward tonight. No Greene and he still managed what should have been 4 goals.

I thought our mids were close to shithouse tonight with their effort aside from Treloar and Bonts first half. Dish that up next week and we'll be on trouble. Not saying Carlton are a top 4 team or anything but they're the type of side who will carve us up if we play this lazy, uninspiring and soft football.

Maybe I watched a different game. Bont, Smith, Libba, and Macrea all with 29 plus disposals, and Treloar with 24 for 3/4. We won the clearances and Cont Poss was slightly in their favour and we won the game. Tom Green is a gun and Kelly was good, but that is it.

[SonofScray]

Actual video from Ernst Huber SOS played in how to sharpen knives in readiness for the Bevo thread to be dusted off!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWbhG981nUI
Haha! It?s coming.

I said I?d revisit it mid season and nominate a new timeline.

We are a capable side. Tracking well since the catastrophic start to the year without really doing anything substantially different to what we know we can do but still always looking susceptible to being done in by a massive swing in momentum.

If we stay in front of the ledger, I?m happy.

[The bulldog tragician]

By the way Princess Kate clearly sending a message of support for us in her red white and blue outfit for the coronation. Bont badge strategically placed within the folds of her cape I?d say.

https://i.postimg.cc/3Rq0KMmV/A8959836-AD58-4-DAB-A30-C-D2-BEBFE3-B082.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bDQwTB69)

[hujsh]

Arthur was the big win of the night for me personally. I talked up his composure and ability to buy time and space in the midfield and that pass to Naughton made me feel a genius.

More seriously aside from the more obvious highlights (goals, assists, even strong tackles) the big thing I saw in his game was how clean he was in the wet. He has a level of class that indicates he'll have a long career and I hope that proves to be true.

[jeemak]

Arthur was the big win of the night for me personally. I talked up his composure and ability to buy time and space in the midfield and that pass to Naughton made me feel a genius.

More seriously aside from the more obvious highlights (goals, assists, even strong tackles) the big thing I saw in his game was how clean he was in the wet. He has a level of class that indicates he'll have a long career and I hope that proves to be true.

Yeah, skillful players usually shine in their handling and composure in the wet and this was true for Arty in spaced. Even when he wasn't able to dispose of it he only once gave it up through handling, the rest of the time he was solid.

[jeemak]

I know Bevo gets a bit of shit about his media performances, but this is an informative effort from him which in truth, was facilitated by some reasonable questioning for a change.


https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/1324754/luke-beveridge-post-match-rd8-?videoId=1324754&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1683381356001

[Grantysghost]

Loved Bevo's press conference. Actually some good questions for a change.

Hated the territory game, 29 forward 50 stoppages for Giants.

That's what we are trying to do, territory either clean or keep by turnover, score or stoppage.

When asked how we are improving in areas he said he thinks we've been getting some composed ball off of live ball better then earlier in the season.

Worth a watch he's been refreshingly open this year.

[G-Mo77]

Geez dude you'd give Adam Kingsley a run for his money.

Maybe it's too glass half empty for this forum. Giving up a 5 goal lead (and they missed a couple as well) so we almost threw that one away. It doesn?t sit well with me as it's a trend that we can't seem to stop. I'll be very happy with a win over Carlton next week and it would start to sway my thoughts, I really don't expect that though. Play like that and they'll belt us.

[G-Mo77]

Loved Bevo's press conference. Actually some good questions for a change.

Hated the territory game, 29 forward 50 stoppages for Giants.

That's what we are trying to do, territory either clean or keep by turnover, score or stoppage.

When asked how we are improving in areas he said he thinks we've been getting some composed ball off of live ball better then earlier in the season.

Worth a watch he's been refreshingly open this year.

One reporter in particular had some really good questions with data to back it up. It was refreshing to hear reporters who ask questions that do actual research.

[azabob]

I couldn't be bothered

So no actual justification why you thought Lobb in your words was very ordinary?

[SonofScray]

Agree with comments about Bevo in the press conference, he is performing better in that arena and I’d say aside from the ongoing bug bears I have, he has pulled the right levers with the group.

JJ return to form is telling, Caleb’s adjusted role seems to be a net positive and overall the physicality hasn’t dipped below the requisite standard for at least a month now.

[SonofScray]

Maybe it's too glass half empty for this forum. Giving up a 5 goal lead (and they missed a couple as well) so we almost threw that one away. It doesn?t sit well with me as it's a trend that we can't seem to stop. I'll be very happy with a win over Carlton next week and it would start to sway my thoughts, I really don't expect that though. Play like that and they'll belt us.

Feel that.

Obviously we’ll appreciate banking points as the season progresses, but I’ll really start to believe if over the next month of footy we can put some complete performances together and find a way to slow down the violent, catastrophic runs of goals against in what seems like an ever more efficient goals to disposal ratio. Every team suffers swings in momentum, every team gets scored against, but the swiftness and efficiency in which it happens to us will cost us against better teams, and eventually in a final again.

[Grantysghost]

Agree with comments about Bevo in the press conference, he is performing better in that arena and I’d say aside from the ongoing bug bears I have, he has pulled the right levers with the group.

JJ return to form is telling, Caleb’s adjusted role seems to be a net positive and overall the physicality hasn’t dipped below the requisite standard for at least a month now.

Have we worked out Macrae's altered role yet? To be honest I haven't spent much time trying however his numbers are vastly different from other years.

More half forward is the obvious one. Trying to see if there's some sacrificial element like Brayshaw did.

[GVGjr]

Lobb kicked two goals, what more did you want?

Granted I was on the couch but didnt he play in the same conditions as JUH, who you gave an out to.

Lobb was okay and in my opinion better than last week.
There is a a decent gap between Marra's best and worst efforts and it's concerning.
I thought we went into the game too tall given the conditions.

[GVGjr]

I know Bevo gets a bit of shit about his media performances, but this is an informative effort from him which in truth, was facilitated by some reasonable questioning for a change.


https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/1324754/luke-beveridge-post-match-rd8-?videoId=1324754&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1683381356001

Good questions make for a good interview. Informative and balanced from Bevo.

[Grantysghost]

I know Bevo gets a bit of shit about his media performances, but this is an informative effort from him which in truth, was facilitated by some reasonable questioning for a change.


https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/1324754/luke-beveridge-post-match-rd8-?videoId=1324754&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1683381356001

Didn't see this before I posted - what Jee said.

[GVGjr]

Not buying it. If we beat Carlton next week I might start thinking we're building. Knocking over the bottom end of the comp the last 3 weeks proves very little and especially after doing our traditional meltdown tonight. I'm sick of seeing it.

Huge game against Carlton and it will be a good indication of where we really are.

[chef]

Maybe it's too glass half empty for this forum. Giving up a 5 goal lead (and they missed a couple as well) so we almost threw that one away. It doesn?t sit well with me as it's a trend that we can't seem to stop. I'll be very happy with a win over Carlton next week and it would start to sway my thoughts, I really don't expect that though. Play like that and they'll belt us.

We did stop it though. We showed some great character.

[SonofScray]

Lobb was okay and in my opinion better than last week.
There is a a decent gap between Marra's best and worst efforts and it's concerning.
I thought we went into the game too tall given the conditions.
Marra didn’t seem to want to kick a few extra goals. He was invested in dishing it off to team mates. Hated that. You are the gun, kick the goals mate.

[G-Mo77]

We did stop it though. We showed some great character.

Naughton took a great mark late and broke their back. So is that problem solved? We still managed to get in a losing position when we had a match winning lead. That is not concerning?

[chef]

Naughton took a great mark late and broke their back. So is that problem solved? We still managed to get in a losing position when we had a match winning lead. That is not concerning?

They got a great run on and majority of posters in here had given up, but hey our boys showed character to stop it and hang on to win. The Giants did this last week against the Swans and won. But not us.

We won ugly in terrible conditions away from home. I enjoyed it.

[azabob]

I know Bevo gets a bit of shit about his media performances, but this is an informative effort from him which in truth, was facilitated by some reasonable questioning for a change.


https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/1324754/luke-beveridge-post-match-rd8-?videoId=1324754&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1683381356001

At a guess I think the journalist was Cody Atkinson who use to do a lot of footy analysis deep dives for the ABC. Well he use to until the ABC cut the budget. Apologies if Cody was not the jurno.

[Hotdog60]

Out of all this commentary what happened to the stress ball?
It was pivotal in the whole game and we never got the end result I hope its ok.

[EasternWest]

Maybe it's too glass half empty for this forum. Giving up a 5 goal lead (and they missed a couple as well) so we almost threw that one away. It doesn?t sit well with me as it's a trend that we can't seem to stop. I'll be very happy with a win over Carlton next week and it would start to sway my thoughts, I really don't expect that though. Play like that and they'll belt us.

Nah I rate your work G, keep it up.

[bornadog]

I know Bevo gets a bit of shit about his media performances, but this is an informative effort from him which in truth, was facilitated by some reasonable questioning for a change.


https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/1324754/luke-beveridge-post-match-rd8-?videoId=1324754&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1683381356001

Sounds like he wasn't 100% happy with Bont's second half. 10 clearances to half time but only 4 in the second half.

[bornadog]

So no actual justification why you thought Lobb in your words was very ordinary?

2 goals great, hitouts great, but 7 disposals not good enough, but like Jamarra, the wet conditions didn't help

[SonofScray]

2 goals great, hitouts great, but 7 disposals not good enough, but like Jamarra, the wet conditions didn't help

He’s not particularly strong over the ball is he?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Maybe it's too glass half empty for this forum. Giving up a 5 goal lead (and they missed a couple as well) so we almost threw that one away. It doesn?t sit well with me as it's a trend that we can't seem to stop. I'll be very happy with a win over Carlton next week and it would start to sway my thoughts, I really don't expect that though. Play like that and they'll belt us.

I agree.

We have given up 4+ goal runs in all but 1 game this season. It's a concerning pattern that has simply been going on for too long.

Yes we stopped it at 4 but it should never have even gotten to 4 in the first place. Start of the final term, we needed the first to put the game to bed and instead we give up 4 in quick succession. There was still over half a quarter remaining after they kicked the 4th too. That is more than concerning.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Maybe I watched a different game. Bont, Smith, Libba, and Macrea all with 29 plus disposals, and Treloar with 24 for 3/4. We won the clearances and Cont Poss was slightly in their favour and we won the game. Tom Green is a gun and Kelly was good, but that is it.

As usual, it's about what they were doing without the ball that concerned me. We allowed them too much time and space too often. You can find a multitude of excuses as to why but there's a pattern of this from our mids and it needs to stop if we are to realistically challenge for finals.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Glass half full- I actually thought we were decent structurally for most of the game. Except the last quarter of course.

[soupman]

We did stop it though. We showed some great character.

Yeah I thought it was actually a positive of sorts, in that while the opposition did get on a roll we did manage to halt it and also I thought it was more they happened to be scoring the goals rather than they were on an unstoppable run.

Typically when the opposition have that surge we can barely get our hands on the footy and them scoring is inevitable. Last night during their run I would guess we had at least 40% of the disposals in that time frame and created some of our own chances, so it wasn't our usual "lay down and watch" approach.

[soupman]

Considering the conditions, GWS being not bad, our key defenders all having down nights, and our second best mid being injured for the last quarter I thought it was a pretty positive result with a few areas for improvement. Toby Greene maybe would've changed the result, maybe not, but a bit like Josh Bruce's goals our wins count even when against weakened opposition.

As for the JUH vs Lobb debate, I thought the latter was better. Lobb didn't get heavily involved, but he is primarily a marking target, which was difficult, we rarely kicked it to him, and I thought his go in the ruck was solid enough. Not fussed about his disposal count, when he did get it he was generally good and he is not the guy you want to be getting it lots on a night like that. As for JUH, he keeps putting himself in good positions but unlike Lobb his execution is lacking, which was my issue with him last night. Just struggled to secure the ball when he got his hands to it, and while conditions didn't help thought with his ground ball ability he might've done better.

Also super happy with Arthur Jones. Not a heap of it but impactful when he did and impressed with how clean and composed he was. Thought he was close to getting dropped but thats more dangerous than the likes of McNeil or Garcia have ever looked in that role.

[chef]

I agree.

We have given up 4+ goal runs in all but 1 game this season. It's a concerning pattern that has simply been going on for too long.

Yes we stopped it at 4 but it should never have even gotten to 4 in the first place. Start of the final term, we needed the first to put the game to bed and instead we give up 4 in quick succession. There was still over half a quarter remaining after they kicked the 4th too. That is more than concerning.

Are we the only team that gives up consecutive goals?

Seems to happen to all teams. Momentum is hard to stop.

[bornadog]

As usual, it's about what they were doing without the ball that concerned me. We allowed them too much time and space too often. You can find a multitude of excuses as to why but there's a pattern of this from our mids and it needs to stop if we are to realistically challenge for finals.

Why are you unhappy with a win?

[macca]

I agree.

We have given up 4+ goal runs in all but 1 game this season. It's a concerning pattern that has simply been going on for too long.

Yes we stopped it at 4 but it should never have even gotten to 4 in the first place. Start of the final term, we needed the first to put the game to bed and instead we give up 4 in quick succession. There was still over half a quarter remaining after they kicked the 4th too. That is more than concerning.

They were in the game up until 5.30 mins left in the 4th quarter. When Naughton took that 1 hand contested mark, we were only 8 points in the lead. With our next goal was the sublime pivot and kick from Arty in the centre square.

To let teams kick 4 goals in succession , would be something the coaches will heavily scrutinize this week as it is happening on a consistent basis.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Are we the only team that gives up consecutive goals?

Seems to happen to all teams. Momentum is hard to stop.

I would say we're the only team, outside the bottom 4, who consistently give up multiple goals in quick concession.

If we're wanting more than a 7-12th finish then we need to get better at that.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Why are you unhappy with a win?

It's like there's no room for constructive criticism after a win. You seem to be content with us finishing on the edge of the 8 and always look for excuses when we fail to go further.

I'm not happy just pottering around the 8. I'd prefer us to rebuild or pull the finger out and push the top 4 like the club believes we can.

If you're wanting everyone to come on here and say hooray we won everything is awesome then fine I'll shut up.

[bornadog]

It's like there's no room for constructive criticism after a win. You seem to be content with us finishing on the edge of the 8 and always look for excuses when we fail to go further.

I'm not happy just pottering around the 8. I'd prefer us to rebuild or pull the finger out and push the top 4 like the club believes we can.

If you're wanting everyone to come on here and say hooray we won everything is awesome then fine I'll shut up.

The difference in the top 8 is currently 1 game, and there is a whole season to go.

[DOG GOD]

The intensity of our collective group worries me, and against the best sides, it will cost us. Hogan in the wet pulled the pants down of Jones. If it wasn’t for Bont, English, Libba at times and Richards we would probably be sitting at 2-6. A lot of work still needs to be done. We still can’t lay a tackle to stick and still can’t break a tackle. To think the lightest guy out there in Arty can do it best. This is a mindset. I’m still not convinced we are “there” yet. Meaning competitive with the teams we expect to finish top 1-6.

Carlton will be a test. Curnow, Mackay, Cripps normally love playing us, and we have struggled to beat them even when they were shit.
Treloars run will be a huge miss. Young, Weitering etc will want us bombing it. Let’s see Lobb, Naughton and Jamarra lead at the ball carrier. All 3 look so much better than all 3 flying for the same pack mark.

Gardner, Keath and Dureya could be the vision of nightmares next week if we aren’t careful.

Carlton are not playing at their best, but they don’t need to be to beat us. They only need the above 3 I mentioned to have good games and they should win by 4-5 goals.

[bornadog]

Hogan in the wet pulled the pants down of Jones.

To be fair to Jones, Hogan did well to lead and his mids hit him on the chest, so difficult to stop for any backman. Hogan didn't have to win the contested mark.

I would like to see our big guys lead more and make it difficult for Weitering, Young to spoil.

[DOG GOD]

To be fair to Jones, Hogan did well to lead and his mids hit him on the chest, so difficult to stop for any backman. Hogan didn't have to win the contested mark.

I would like to see our big guys lead more and make it difficult for Weitering, Young to spoil.

Yes. On occasion when Lobb, Jamarra and Naughton DO lead, we look so much better.

[mjp]

Glass half full- I actually thought we were decent structurally for most of the game. Except the last quarter of course.

But what was wrong with the STRUCTURE in the last q.

The XOH goal? He basically just ran down the ground and beat (I think) Macrae and DEFINITELY English...they basically didn't chase (at all) and he kicked i50 then just kept rolling to get a HBR and goal.

That's being LAZY, that's not structure.

Then Hogan put a simple stop go move on Jones that led to the Himmelberg goal...again, that's being:
a). Not smart (Jones vs Hogan)
b). LAZY (Whoever should have been on Himmelberg)

That's not structure.

Green basically kicked 2 in 2 minutes from stoppage...it was mids (and based on Bevo's press conference, Bont specifically) who wasn't sticking to his assignment. I mean I guess that's stoppage structure of a sort but players not concentrating isn't structure really - it's just not TEAM.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Yes. On occasion when Lobb, Jamarra and Naughton DO lead, we look so much better.

Yeah I thought our forwards were just as lethargic as our mids for most of the game except for Arty. It's like the team just wanted to get out of Canberra without getting their shorts dirty. I thought our defenders were our best, ignoring the atrocious kicking skills from our talls. JJ was great, as was Richards. They were put under the pump too often due to our forwards and mids not applying enough heat and energy in the contest.

I can't believe how bad Jamarra was. It's also the worst game I've seen Cody play on a while. Yet we still somehow won which shows how much better we can be if we pull our heads in. Like you said, it's all a mindset.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

But what was wrong with the STRUCTURE in the last q.

The XOH goal? He basically just ran down the ground and beat (I think) Macrae and DEFINITELY English...they basically didn't chase (at all) and he kicked i50 then just kept rolling to get a HBR and goal.

That's being LAZY, that's not structure.

Then Hogan put a simple stop go move on Jones that led to the Himmelberg goal...again, that's being:
a). Not smart (Jones vs Hogan)
b). LAZY (Whoever should have been on Himmelberg)

That's not structure.

Green basically kicked 2 in 2 minutes from stoppage...it was mids (and based on Bevo's press conference, Bont specifically) who wasn't sticking to his assignment. I mean I guess that's stoppage structure of a sort but players not concentrating isn't structure really - it's just not TEAM.

100% you're right. Laziness made it look like structure issues but it wasn't. It was effort.

[bornadog]

But what was wrong with the STRUCTURE in the last q.

The XOH goal? He basically just ran down the ground and beat (I think) Macrae and DEFINITELY English...they basically didn't chase (at all) and he kicked i50 then just kept rolling to get a HBR and goal.

That's being LAZY, that's not structure.

Then Hogan put a simple stop go move on Jones that led to the Himmelberg goal...again, that's being:
a). Not smart (Jones vs Hogan)
b). LAZY (Whoever should have been on Himmelberg)

That's not structure.

Green basically kicked 2 in 2 minutes from stoppage...it was mids (and based on Bevo's press conference, Bont specifically) who wasn't sticking to his assignment. I mean I guess that's stoppage structure of a sort but players not concentrating isn't structure really - it's just not TEAM.

The XOH one, he was just too quick for our players, we couldn't catch him - that is just a player that was athletically too good.

The first Green goal, should not have happened as the umpire refused to give Richards a free for front on in the head.

But Yes, we had a lapse in concentration and allowed them to kick a few. In the end, we stopped them, we steadied and won.

[chef]

I would say we're the only team, outside the bottom 4, who consistently give up multiple goals in quick concession.

I dont think thats true myself, i would say all teams give up multiple goals on occasions as momentum is just so hard to stop in modern football.

Most on here expected the Giants to just run over the top of us(like they did to the Swans last week) but it seems we are learning how to stop it. Well done to the lads.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The XOH one, he was just too quick for our players, we couldn't catch him - that is just a player that was athletically too good.

The first Green goal, should not have happened as the umpire refused to give Richards a free for front on in the head.

But Yes, we had a lapse in concentration and allowed them to kick a few. In the end, we stopped them, we steadied and won.

XOH should not have had half a footy field to run into in the first place.

Yes it should have been a free but doesn't excuse the way the goal occurred. We have too many players goal side in defence. Giants should actually have kicked a few more due to that set-up but let us of the hook with points.

[bornadog]

XOH should not have had half a footy field to run into in the first place.

Yes it should have been a free but doesn't excuse the way the goal occurred. We have too many players goal side in defence. Giants should actually have kicked a few more due to that set-up but let us of the hook with points.

Giants lost the game.

[lemmon]

The XOH one, he was just too quick for our players, we couldn't catch him - that is just a player that was athletically too good.


I'm not so sure - would love to see the behind the goals footage of that. From memory, it was Bailey Dale he beat in a 1v1 on the wing and by the time he goaled, Dale was trailing him by 30 metres or so. Think I'd back Bailey over O'Halloran in a foot race...

[mjp]

The XOH one, he was just too quick for our players, we couldn't catch him - that is just a player that was athletically too good.


See - this is where you and I have geometrically opposite versions of what is required to play football as part of a successful side.

I have no issue if you are beat. That's fine. But to simply STOP CHASING (and never really chase to begin with in the case of English)...well, there's no excuse for that. And if you fast forward 5 mins from the XOH goal English actually wins possession of the ball and takes off - including a running bounce - and quite literally 3x the speed he 'chased' (well, 'jogged in the same direction as' would be a better description) as O'Halloran.

This is the effort stuff that plagues us mate. It is not just the effort though - it is the body language that goes with it. If one person stops fighting for their seat on the bus (in every game there are 36 players but only 18 chairs!) and lets their oppo have it, well - that sends a message to the rest of their mates it's ok to simply stop fighting.

The 'optics' need to be right. Can't keep up? Cool. Run as FAST AS YOU CAN in trying. Make it clear that it is still important to you.

All of this stuff aside, I'm really happy with the way we're playing right now and am certainly on the side of 'beating GWS on a rainy Sat night in Canberra is a GOOD OUTCOME'...

My original response was about STRUCTURE when I was basically saying we were/are structured up well pretty much all night - but sometimes poor efforts/lack of concentration cause things to look like the structures/set-ups are broken...

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Giants lost the game.

Just like we lost our last 2 finals after holding commanding leads. If you're happy ignoring our issues so long as we're beating bottom 6 sides then that's OK. But I want wider improvement in areas we are weak in.

[bornadog]

See - this is where you and I have geometrically opposite versions of what is required to play football as part of a successful side.

Simply not true. I may not be a coach, I am a simple supporter, but I can observe what is happening and agree with most of what you say, however


I have no issue if you are beat. That's fine. But to simply STOP CHASING (and never really chase to begin with in the case of English)...well, there's no excuse for that. ..

I re-watched this passage of play, and Dale gave up the chase, as he was the one on XOH, English got involved and chased , but just didn't have the pace to go with XOH.

At the end of the day, we can pick out lots of things that happen on field where there is lack of effort, skill errors, laziness, but the important thing is winning.

[mjp]

Simply not true. I may not be a coach, I am a simple supporter, but I can observe what is happening and agree with most of what you say...

I didn't mean it like that...it's just that whenever we disagree it is on our assessment of effort based stuff. Your understanding of the game is > mine because you get to watch more live AFL footy than me. I watch the Dogs live twice a year if I'm lucky - outside of that, I watch u18 footy live and Bulldogs games on tv. The u18 stuff is a different SPORT!

[hujsh]

2 goals great, hitouts great, but 7 disposals not good enough, but like Jamarra, the wet conditions didn't help
I think your expectations of Lobb are a bit off. I don?t think he’s a high possession player but high impact with the touches he does get. The game at Marvel against us being a good example 4 goals but less than 10 touches IIRC.

[GVGjr]

It's like there's no room for constructive criticism after a win. You seem to be content with us finishing on the edge of the 8 and always look for excuses when we fail to go further.

I'm not happy just pottering around the 8. I'd prefer us to rebuild or pull the finger out and push the top 4 like the club believes we can.

If you're wanting everyone to come on here and say hooray we won everything is awesome then fine I'll shut up.

Of course there is. We shouldn't be content with an around the 8 result.
The good part is there is still plenty of scope for improvement.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Of course there is. We shouldn't be content with an around the 8 result.
The good part is there is still plenty of scope for improvement.

Absolutely.
One of the real positives last night for me was how expansive Bevo was in his assessment of our deficiencies last night. Its clear the depth of understanding of what we do well, what we don't ,and what we want to do is top shelf. I don't think players would be confused as to what is expected, and what it looks like when they don't execute or perform their role.

[macca]

Great observation @YHFoxtrot. He was very calm and measured.

We are still a work in progress and there are still lapses in our game amongst the players. The 4 goal momentum they gained in last quarter was probably one of the indications, and Tom green kicking 3 goals and Ward 2 shows our lapses.

It was a good press conference.

We were lucky they had 3 posters.

[mjp]

Great observation @YHFoxtrot. He was very calm and measured.

We are still a work in progress and there are still lapses in our game amongst the players. The 4 goal momentum they gained in last quarter was probably one of the indications, and Tom green kicking 3 goals and Ward 2 shows our lapses.

It was a good press conference.

We were lucky they had 3 posters.

Posters should be worth 9-points.

[GVGjr]

Posters should be worth 9-points.

Are you interviewing for a role on the rules committee? :)

[mjp]

Are you interviewing for a role on the rules committee? :)

It's a less stupid idea that the stand rule.

[merantau]

There needs to be a forensic review to pinpoint HOW they got those four goals on the trot. We just CANNOT allow that to keep happening

Similarly, giving up goals in the last couple of minutes/seconds of a quarter. It's a trait that has become our trademark and I AM SICK OF IT!!! Grrrr!

[macca]

It's a less stupid idea that the stand rule.

I am ok with stupid ideas, as long as they are consistently stupid.

I hope that read in the right funny way.

[DISHLICKERS]

In the last month the team has gone to Adelaide then Perth back to Melbourne then Canberra.

Not too many Vic Clubs have had that type of month if any.

I think there may have been some element of fatigue in that last qtr.

Glad we stopped the run on and got the 4 points in tough conditions against an opposition that has some talent.

[Grantysghost]

Posters should be worth 9-points.

You have to nominate prior to the kick though.

[EasternWest]

You have to nominate prior to the kick though.

https://i.postimg.cc/65fVyfR5/giphy-1.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Bulldog Joe]

Just a few comments without quoting some of the posts.

I was at the game and happy with the win.

We were too tall for the conditions, but there was nothing that could have been done as the forecast was a low chance of rain and there was no rain until after the start of the game.

Arty Jones was terrific but he also needs to start actually trying to mark on some of his leaps. He can really get airborne but seems to not always be judging where the ball is. He can probably take mark of the year when he works it out.

Marra struggled with ball handling in the wet but really impressed with how he is presenting.

Naughton was well beaten by Buckley mostly because he was contesting where he had no chance to run and jump, but his finish to the game was brilliant.

The run on by GWS was hard to bear, but I thought English took a good pack mark that went unpaid before the first Green goal. At least we had him in the right position to arrest a run. Ed Richards was clearly taken high when he was picking up the ground ball prior to the second Green goal. The umpires pay those decisions and there is no run on.
After the 4th goal we retook control, when previously we would have folded.

Yes we should have defended those loose balls better but overall I was pretty happy.

Lots of criticism of our tall defenders but I thought they all contributed.

[Grantysghost]

@bulldogjoe give us a weather report ;)

Working for the Feds I've spent many a winters night in our nation's capital.

[Bulldog Joe]

@bulldogjoe give us a weather report ;)

Working for the Feds I've spent many a winters night in our nation's capital.

Once a year is enough for me.

[D Mitchell]

By the way Princess Kate clearly sending a message of support for us in her red white and blue outfit for the coronation. Bont badge strategically placed within the folds of her cape I?d say.

Her Royal Highness is the Colonel-in-Chief of the Irish Guards Regiment, one of five Foot Guard Regiments that constitute the King's Guard. Members of the constituting regiments, when part of the King's Guard, wear coloured plumes on the right hand side of their bearskins. That of the Irish Guards is royal blue. I reckon herself had the King more in mind than the Bont. Well spotted, though, Her Royal Highness hardly featured.

[hujsh]

Her Royal Highness is the Colonel-in-Chief of the Irish Guards Regiment, one of five Foot Guard Regiments that constitute the King's Guard. Members of the constituting regiments, when part of the King's Guard, wear coloured plumes on the right hand side of their bearskins. That of the Irish Guards is royal blue. I reckon herself had the King more in mind than the Bont. Well spotted, though, Her Royal Highness hardly featured.

Is this better or worse than my post about the difference between Devils and Demons?

[MrMahatma]

I thought we were gonna lose it.

I was VERY happy with the way the guys turned it around. I've wanted some of our key players to step up in these key moments and Naughton did. He took grabs and he kicked clutch goals.

It was a frustrating game to watch, with lots of fumbling and way too many almost clearances and balls out the back of contests going GWS way. However, would I take a 15 point win against GWS, in the cold and wet Canberra? Yep. Would I take a 15 point win against the Blues this weekend? Yep.

I'd love us to be playing at our very best, but also don't reckon we're a team who plays our very best for 26 weeks in a row, so some ugly/lucky/mediocre/hard-fought wins early in the year are very well received.

A win this weekend and we're very much back in the top 4 hunt. The season is shaping up nicely, and we have a lot of upside remaining.

[D Mitchell]

Is this better or worse than my post about the difference between Devils and Demons?

Probably worse although I'd have to see your particular post. I searched "devil" on every page of this thread unsuccessfully. On page 3, I posed the dilemma of the choice between game and Coronation. I ended up watching the Coronation, flicking back to the footy every now and then. Whatever your views on the Head of State, it was such an historic and momentous event.

[hujsh]

Probably worse although I'd have to see your particular post. I searched "devil" on every page of this thread unsuccessfully. On page 3, I posed the dilemma of the choice between game and Coronation. I ended up watching the Coronation, flicking back to the footy every now and then. Whatever your views on the Head of State, it was such an historic and momentous event.


Well you see devils and demons are actually quite distinct. While both originate from the lower evil planes the Devils are lawful while demons are chaotic. Demons don't discriminate with who they attack and why thus they constantly invade the 9 Hells through the river Styx. The devils are the first line of defense against Demons and thus many see them as a necessary evil including the Celestial forces.

Nothing like the similarities between breeds of dogs.

There you go mate. It was in the thread about Tasmania. Didn't mean to lead you down that wild goose chase.

[D Mitchell]

There you go mate. It was in the thread about Tasmania. Didn't mean to lead you down that wild goose chase.

No worries. Yours is much better, it looks like a reference back to Greek Mythology (Styx is the giveaway, my first thought was Harry Potter). The commentator referred to blue as the colour of the Irish Guards. The usual association is green, the colour of the dress that Kate wore upon conferment of her Colonelcy. I looked it up, the blue comes from an 18th Century Order of Chivalry founded for award in Ireland.

[hujsh]

No worries. Yours is much better, it looks like a reference back to Greek Mythology (Styx is the giveaway, my first thought was Harry Potter). The commentator referred to blue as the colour of the Irish Guards. The usual association is green, the colour of the dress that Kate wore upon conferment of her Colonelcy. I looked it up, the blue comes from an 18th Century Order of Chivalry founded for award in Ireland.

haha there is no better or worse, i just meant both are pretty nerdy referring to a niche bit of lore. Mine is literally just Dungeons and Dragons information (I ran a campaign specifically about Demons invading so the difference was one I had to learn)

[bornadog]

Worth watching to see Adam Kingsley pissed off

Naughton's two goals - Multi Call


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBekka1fROY

[D Mitchell]

Worth watching to see Adam Kingsley pissed off

Naughton's two goals - Multi Call



Note the positioning of both Jones and Weightman.

[Grantysghost]

Aflca votes:

Greater Western Sydney v Western Bulldogs
10 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Tom Green (GWS)
6 Tim English (WB)
4 Tom Liberatore (WB)
1 Bailey Smith (WB)
1 Josh Kelly (GWS)

LEADERBOARD
45 Nick Daicos (COLL)
43 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
36 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
34 Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)
34 Callum Wilkie (STK)
33 Christian Petracca (MELB)
32 Patrick Dangerfield (GEEL)
31 Zak Butters (PORT)
29 Noah Anderson (GCFC)
29 Jordan Dawson (ADEL)
29 Toby Greene (GWS)
29 Jack Sinclair (STK)
28 Charlie Curnow (CARL)
28 Jordan De Goey (COLL)
25 Darcy Moore (COLL)
24 Charlie Cameron (BL)
24 Chad Warner (SYD)
23 Tim Kelly (WCE)
23 Zach Merrett (ESS)
23 Lachie Neale (BL)
23 Tim Taranto (RICH)

[angelopetraglia]

What is most impressive in that clip is Artys composure under pressure and the quality of his kick to hit up Naughton. A lot to be exited about.

[Grantysghost]

Looks like both coaches voted the same except for the ones.

[angelopetraglia]

Aflca votes:

Greater Western Sydney v Western Bulldogs
10 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Tom Green (GWS)
6 Tim English (WB)
4 Tom Liberatore (WB)
1 Bailey Smith (WB)
1 Josh Kelly (GWS)

LEADERBOARD
45 Nick Daicos (COLL)
43 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
36 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
34 Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)
34 Callum Wilkie (STK)
33 Christian Petracca (MELB)
32 Patrick Dangerfield (GEEL)
31 Zak Butters (PORT)
29 Noah Anderson (GCFC)
29 Jordan Dawson (ADEL)
29 Toby Greene (GWS)
29 Jack Sinclair (STK)
28 Charlie Curnow (CARL)
28 Jordan De Goey (COLL)
25 Darcy Moore (COLL)
24 Charlie Cameron (BL)
24 Chad Warner (SYD)
23 Tim Kelly (WCE)
23 Zach Merrett (ESS)
23 Lachie Neale (BL)
23 Tim Taranto (RICH)

That is incredibly consistent from the coaches.

So both gave 5 to Bont, 4 to Green, 3 to English and 2 to Libba. With them only separating on the 1s.

[angelopetraglia]

Looks like both coaches voted the same except for the ones.

Snap .....

[Bulldog Joe]

Looks like both coaches voted the same except for the ones.
Response should be

Wow
Both coaches saw it the same for the top 4 on the ground.
Kingsley seems to have given his 1 vote to Kelly while Bevo was happy with Baz.

[angelopetraglia]

Bont now has three perfect 10 games from the coaches. Also has a 9. So that is basically four BOGs. The way he converts those performances into Brownlow votes you would say he would be on 12 Brownlow votes.

[Grantysghost]

Bont now has three perfect 10 games from the coaches. Also has a 9. So that is basically four BOGs. The way he converts those performances into Brownlow votes you would say he would be on 12 Brownlow votes.
He's well on the way to the award.