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Eastdog
25-12-2022, 08:02 PM
Margin:
First goal:
Best on ground:

Eastdog
01-05-2023, 05:19 PM
Margin: Dogs by 5 points - will be close but will get the job done

First goal: AstroNaught

Best on ground: Bont

bornadog
01-05-2023, 05:26 PM
Canberra will be nice and cold. Anyone going?

angelopetraglia
01-05-2023, 08:17 PM
Canberra will be nice and cold. Anyone going?

Overnight temp is going to be -1c Friday, night, 0c Saturday night and 1 on Sunday night. Yep. It is going to be cold.

Eastdog
02-05-2023, 02:56 PM
Overnight temp is going to be -1c Friday, night, 0c Saturday night and 1 on Sunday night. Yep. It is going to be cold.

Gets very cold Canberra. Higer elevations like Ballarat. Hopefully both our games in Ballarat are good days.

Bulldog Joe
02-05-2023, 04:25 PM
Canberra will be nice and cold. Anyone going?

I am going.
Incorporating some business in the travel.

With that forecast I might need some extra layers on my Saturday morning run.

LifeLongBulldog
02-05-2023, 05:37 PM
Just read the medical report and looks like Libba is ready to go! Who do we think will get dropped for him? I was thinking McLean dropped to VFL and either McNeil or Scott to medi sub?

LifeLongBulldog
02-05-2023, 05:41 PM
Are we thinking Dureya on Greene and Richards on Daniels who is quicker?

GVGjr
02-05-2023, 05:44 PM
Just read the medical report and looks like Libba is ready to go! Who do we think will get dropped for him? I was thinking McLean dropped to VFL and either McNeil or Scott to medi sub?

I think you've nailed it, Libba in, McLean out and McNeil as the sub.

Grantysghost
02-05-2023, 06:52 PM
Are we thinking Dureya on Greene and Richards on Daniels who is quicker?

Greene will play AFL I think.

azabob
02-05-2023, 07:07 PM
Greene will play AFL I think.

Savage…

bornadog
04-05-2023, 02:39 PM
FUN FACTS




Aaron Naughton is the only currently listed Bulldog that made his debut against GWS at Manuka Oval - in Round 1, 2018
Ex-Giants Adam Treloar and Josh Bruce have never lost to GWS since joining the Bulldogs
Rory Lobb only lost to the Western Bulldogs once in his time at GWS ? that game being the 2016 Preliminary Final
The Western Bulldogs have scored 100+ points against GWS on seven occasions, the second highest by any club against the Giants (Sydney scoring 100+ on 11 occasions)
The Giants have lost their past eight matches in Canberra, while the Dogs have won four of their past six there

bornadog
04-05-2023, 10:45 PM
Boy GWS are dickheads.

See this tweet: https://twitter.com/GWSGIANTS/status/1654057076879134721

angelopetraglia
04-05-2023, 10:58 PM
Boy GWS are dickheads.

See this tweet: https://twitter.com/GWSGIANTS/status/1654057076879134721

That is ridiculous. They are highlighting thuggery including the Toby Greene kung fu kick to the Doll House's head.

They left out of this one "Bontempelli, no one between he and the goal, paddles it up, gets back on his left foot, to hit the front, TO HIT THE FRONT, THE DOGS ARE IN FRONT BY A POINT, BONTEMPELLI HAS BROUGHT THEM TO THEIR FEET!!!!!"

Stevo
04-05-2023, 11:10 PM
Boy GWS are dickheads.

See this tweet: https://twitter.com/GWSGIANTS/status/1654057076879134721

Just fires the fans up. I have little to no respect for the plastics.

bulldogsthru&thru
04-05-2023, 11:17 PM
Boy GWS are dickheads.

See this tweet: https://twitter.com/GWSGIANTS/status/1654057076879134721

That was......odd.

bulldogsthru&thru
04-05-2023, 11:18 PM
Just fires the fans up. I have little to no respect for the plastics.

Given you used the plural of fan I'm assuming you're talking about our fans.

Rocket Science
05-05-2023, 01:48 AM
Boy GWS are dickheads.

See this tweet: https://twitter.com/GWSGIANTS/status/1654057076879134721

Well they're exceedingly shit these days, what else can they promote the contest with, champagne football?

Grantysghost
05-05-2023, 03:58 AM
Boy GWS are dickheads.

See this tweet: https://twitter.com/GWSGIANTS/status/1654057076879134721

Must be outsourcing their media to an nrl club.

Jasper
05-05-2023, 08:49 AM
I read that Kingsley as good as confirmed that Bont will receive a tag. It will be interesting to see how we respond.

The other thing is why when the NRL are having their Magic Round in QLD are we playing in Canberra and Swans are in Melbourne?

Axe Man
05-05-2023, 09:24 AM
The other thing is why when the NRL are having their Magic Round in QLD are we playing in Canberra and Swans are in Melbourne?

This was highlighted in the media. AFL have really dropped the ball here, should have been 2 games in Sydney but happy for us to play in Canberra instead where GWS suck.

Happy Days
05-05-2023, 09:35 AM
That was......odd.

The last of the games featured in that package happened in 2020. They’re desperate to get back to that one fleeting moment where we made them relevant by beating them. It’s not a rivalry it’s a string of never ending “u up” texts over 8 years.

Grantysghost
05-05-2023, 09:38 AM
The last of the games featured in that package happened in 2020. They’re desperate to get back to that one fleeting moment where we made them relevant by beating them. It’s not a rivalry it’s a string of never ending “u up” texts over 8 years.

That's why I posted back to them thanks for the walk down memory lane. Classic irrelevant idiots like Mummy, Cameron and Shaw.

angelopetraglia
05-05-2023, 05:30 PM
Damian Battett on Twitter

"Toby Greene very sore and in big doubt to play tomorrow night against Dogs"

DOG GOD
05-05-2023, 05:32 PM
Damian Battett on Twitter

"Toby Greene very sore and in big doubt to play tomorrow night against Dogs"

Please, please, please

Grantysghost
05-05-2023, 05:44 PM
Damian Battett on Twitter

"Toby Greene very sore and in big doubt to play tomorrow night against Dogs"

Be he featured so heavily in their promo.

Who will gouge eyes and kick people in the head now?

I'd be asking for a refund if I was duped by these charletains.

Happy Days
05-05-2023, 09:12 PM
Toby Greene - history’s greatest coward?

bornadog
05-05-2023, 09:14 PM
Dogs by 22
First Goal naughton
BOG Bont

macca
05-05-2023, 10:34 PM
Damian Battett on Twitter

"Toby Greene very sore and in big doubt to play tomorrow night against Dogs"

He will play, he can take pain killers, anti-inflammatories and ice bath tonight.

He won't want to miss this game. Its an 8 point game for them.

D Mitchell
05-05-2023, 10:36 PM
Tough choice, for those who wear Red, White & Blue and assume a Bulldog disposition, at a second before quarter time tomorrow night. Do you keep watching an annual footy game against a despised foe or a once in a lifetime coronation of our constitutional monarch ? It's 7.59.59, the umpires' backs are all turned, Bont has his left fist cocked, within an arm's length of Greene, a terrified look on his face.

Footy, loyalty to the club. Tradition, celebration of the commonwealth ?

BornInDroopSt'54
05-05-2023, 11:18 PM
Be he featured so heavily in their promo.

Who will gouge eyes and kick people in the head now?

I'd be asking for a refund if I was duped by these charletains.

To anyone going, under no circumstances give into temptation and jump the fence to snot Greene.

josie
06-05-2023, 08:28 AM
Tough choice, for those who wear Red, White & Blue and assume a Bulldog disposition, at a second before quarter time tomorrow night. Do you keep watching an annual footy game against a despised foe or a once in a lifetime coronation of our constitutional monarch ? It's 7.59.59, the umpires' backs are all turned, Bont has his left fist cocked, within an arm's length of Greene, a terrified look on his face.

Footy, loyalty to the club. Tradition, celebration of the commonwealth ?

Easy one for me. I?m a republican at heart. I think Charles seems like nice bloke and like his passion for environmental matters though. If King Charles followed a AFL team it would have to be one with royal colours and a British bulldog. Surely a good omen for the outcome.

Dogs by 42
BOG English
First Goal Weightman

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 08:39 AM
My wife is having a coronation party.

Yes she's English.

My house is covered with bunting.

I'm no royalist, I'm a huge history buff however so on that front im insanely interested.

Will they show the anointing! I hope not personally.

We will have a footy room and a coronation room, my nephew and I will be not moving from the former often.

So footy wins over history xD

Dogs by 103 (For Bulldog Tragician).
BOG Macrae
FG Lobb.

EasternWest
06-05-2023, 09:45 AM
My wife is having a coronation party.

Yes she's English.

My house is covered with bunting.

I'm no royalist, I'm a huge history buff however so on that front im insanely interested.

Will they show the anointing! I hope not personally.

We will have a footy room and a coronation room, my nephew and I will be not moving from the former often.

So footy wins over history xD

Dogs by 103 (For Bulldog Tragician).
BOG Macrae
FG Lobb.

I don't have a dog in the fight, I suppose I'm nominally a republican and I have no understanding of how an anachronistic archaism still holds such sway, but there's no denying watching the royal family is like staring at "The Kramer".

Nick Cave had a great response when someone asked him why he's going to the coronation. It's well worth the read.

Anyway, Dogs by 13. Bont BOG, first goal Arty Jones.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 11:21 AM
Tough choice, for those who wear Red, White & Blue and assume a Bulldog disposition, at a second before quarter time tomorrow night. Do you keep watching an annual footy game against a despised foe or a once in a lifetime coronation of our constitutional monarch ? It's 7.59.59, the umpires' backs are all turned, Bont has his left fist cocked, within an arm's length of Greene, a terrified look on his face.

Footy, loyalty to the club. Tradition, celebration of the commonwealth ?

The only King I will be watching is:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvUzLlPaIAAPMMh?format=jpg&name=medium

hujsh
06-05-2023, 11:41 AM
I think I'd rather drink bleach than watch anything royal related unless it's a revolutionary uprising to depose them

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 11:58 AM
I think I'd rather drink bleach than watch anything royal related unless it's a revolutionary uprising to depose them

Been done a few times :)

The Romanovs and their kids met a pretty yuk ending at the hands of the Bolsheviks.

I don't understand the place of the Monarchy these days especially here.

In England, I've seen how it can lift spirits and unite people in difficult times which is a positive.

Historically I'm fascinated. Westminster Abbey is one of my favourite places for that reason think I've been in there 5 times. Some of the tombs wow.

Durham is my all time favourite church/abbey/cathedral.

Anyway don't drink bleach unless of course you have the spicey cough.

hujsh
06-05-2023, 12:08 PM
Been done a few times :)

The Romanovs and their kids met a pretty yuk ending at the hands of the Bolsheviks.

I don't understand the place of the Monarchy these days especially here.

In England, I've seen how it can lift spirits and unite people in difficult times which is a positive.

Historically I'm fascinated. Westminster Abbey is one of my favourite places for that reason think I've been in there 5 times. Some of the tombs wow.

Durham is my all time favourite church/abbey/cathedral.

Anyway don't drink bleach unless of course you have the spicey cough.

Yeah that was mostly pretty awesome. Mostly part being the kids wouldn't have done anything too bad (yet).

Bulldog4life
06-05-2023, 12:10 PM
The Celtic crowd let everyone know what they thought of the Coronation. Bit of a laugh.

Bulldog4life
06-05-2023, 12:12 PM
Been done a few times :)

The Romanovs and their kids met a pretty yuk ending at the hands of the Bolsheviks.

I don't understand the place of the Monarchy these days especially here.

In England, I've seen how it can lift spirits and unite people in difficult times which is a positive.

Historically I'm fascinated. Westminster Abbey is one of my favourite places for that reason think I've been in there 5 times. Some of the tombs wow.

Durham is my all time favourite church/abbey/cathedral.

Anyway don't drink bleach unless of course you have the spicey cough.

Didn't dumpy Trump say getting injected with bleach would cure covid? Moron.

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 12:23 PM
Yeah that was mostly pretty awesome. Mostly part being the kids wouldn't have done anything too bad (yet).

Then the reds weren't much better see the Katyn Forest massacre.

Humans are the problem.

Have we heard if Toby Greene is pulling the plug yet?

Jeanette54
06-05-2023, 12:36 PM
At the risk of interrupting the royals discussion,

Meanwhile back at the footy:

Dogs by five points

First Goal: Cody

Best on ground: Adz

Bulldog4life
06-05-2023, 01:09 PM
At the risk of interrupting the royals discussion,

Meanwhile back at the footy:

Dogs by five points

First Goal: Cody

Best on ground: Adz

Bloody Gg.

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 01:24 PM
Bloody Gg.

Apologies all sometimes I get stuck down rabbit holes.

hujsh
06-05-2023, 01:45 PM
Then the reds weren't much better see the Katyn Forest massacre.

Humans are the problem.

Have we heard if Toby Greene is pulling the plug yet?

Most governments of any significant size have been also been murder machines at one point or another in modern history I'd imagine.

hujsh
06-05-2023, 01:45 PM
Bloody Gg.

Yes... all on him. Bad man

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 01:57 PM
Then the reds weren't much better see the Katyn Forest massacre.

Humans are the problem.

Have we heard if Toby Greene is pulling the plug yet?

From the Saturday Rub.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvaYqTxaIAA67vI?format=jpg&name=small

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 03:27 PM
From the Saturday Rub.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvaYqTxaIAA67vI?format=jpg&name=small

We'll take on whatever team is there.
I hope Greene is.
A victory is always best against the best.
But beware the injured player.

The Underdog
06-05-2023, 04:55 PM
Most governments of any significant size have been also been murder machines at one point or another in modern history I'd imagine.

Game Day thread has got dark early. Usually isn?t this grim until at least the second quarter

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 05:05 PM
Game Day thread has got dark early. Usually isn?t this grim until at least the second quarter

Haha haha that's it you can leave.

Choosing the second qtr was perfect.

ratsmac
06-05-2023, 05:29 PM
The only thing I like about King Charles is that we share a birthday!

Dogs by 13
First goal- Naughts
BOG- the Bont

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 05:35 PM
Dogs by I don't care. Just hate losing to GWS. 1 point will do me.

First goal: Jamarra
BOG: Libba.

GVGjr
06-05-2023, 06:25 PM
We should win this comfortably but we might have gone into the game too tall.
I'm not going to underestimate GWS

Dogs by 19 points
Weightman with the first goal
Macrae BOG

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 06:40 PM
Toby Greene is officially out

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 06:40 PM
Lachie McNeil is the sub

bornadog
06-05-2023, 07:36 PM
Does holding the man exist in AFL

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 07:36 PM
Dogs by 27 points tonight great goal by JUH

jazzadogs
06-05-2023, 07:51 PM
That's awesome Arty. Perfect crumbers goal.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 07:53 PM
Naughton's having one of those games where you just hope he doesn't get hurt because he's running around like an idiot.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 07:54 PM
Umps seem to be quiet with the whistle, great.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 07:55 PM
I fear for Adam Kingsley if this is how he is in year one.

That's a great grab and finish from Arty.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 07:56 PM
Arty Jones. Wow. You have to love it. Genuine crumbing goal. Strong mark and converts.

jazzadogs
06-05-2023, 07:56 PM
Umps seem to be quiet with the whistle, great.

At least Greene isn't around to take full advantage of it!

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 07:56 PM
Beautiful kick Arty 2 goals.

GVGjr
06-05-2023, 08:00 PM
Good start, plenty of effort. Happy that Jones, JUH and Lobb are on the scoreboard already.

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 08:02 PM
What a boring game of football

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 08:03 PM
Dogs by 27 points tonight great goal by JUH

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:04 PM
Feel like Naughton starts every game slow.

Bont doesn't look to be moving as good as he did a few weeks ago, hopefully nothing in it.

Richards has been good, Duryea getting a bit of it, Jones a Livewire.

kruder
06-05-2023, 08:04 PM
Dogs very conservative again with ball in hand. Is there something wrong with Scott? Every time he makes an effort he looks absolutely out on his feet.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:05 PM
What a boring game of football

It is.

I don't like our contested effort early. We look like we don't want to get dirty. When the ball has hit the deck we've been left watching whilst the giants run forward in numbers.

I'm hoping for more physicality next quarter.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 08:05 PM
What a boring game of football
Perhaps do something else while watching?
I'm a bit edgy so am cooking too.
Not Kingsley's pressure ball.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 08:06 PM
I know Baker made two costly errors. But he really seems to possess a strong character and not let those bad moments change his intent and willingness to take the game on.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 08:06 PM
What a boring game of football

Conditions aren’t conducive to great footy.

macca
06-05-2023, 08:07 PM
Arty Jones. Wow. You have to love it. Genuine crumbing goal. Strong mark and converts.
His a real talent.his natural skills are showing becoming accustomed to the pace of the game. His one young gun who we need to invest games into. Imagime if he gets to 21 and we get 50 games into him ?

He can play midfield , wing and fwd pocket . Lots of possibilities . When his muscle mass grows he will be able to add powerr and more acceleration to his game

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:08 PM
Dogs very conservative again with ball in hand. Is there something wrong with Scott? Every time he makes an effort he looks absolutely out on his feet.

Been saying it for a while but he's not doing nearly enough and he's lucky to be in the side iMO.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 08:08 PM
I know Baker made two costly errors. But he really seems to possess a strong character and not let those bad moments change his intent and willingness to take the game on.

And keeps running.

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 08:09 PM
Perhaps do something else while watching?
I'm a bit edgy so am cooking too.

I'll fall asleep soon.

Maybe it's the lack of atmosphere from this shithole with their plastic team, maybe it's the commentary who would rather talk about Kingsley's stress ball. It just seems boring, doesn't feel like any intensity out there and has the feel of a practice match.

macca
06-05-2023, 08:09 PM
Bonts looks fumbly tonight. Maybe the ground is a bit wet?
I hope his not sore

We are looking ok in the midifeld making them work to get through. They still scored a goal on the rebound
Lucky Hogan missed on the siren

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:10 PM
Kick the ****ing ball Bont.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 08:10 PM
Bloody Ward. He should still be in Bulldog colours

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:10 PM
We are the weakest tackling team. Honestly we just hug players.

lemmon
06-05-2023, 08:11 PM
Finn Callaghan looks a player. Huge rig on him.

Bont is starting to get to work and Richards has veen excellent.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:16 PM
Not sure how anyone can watch this and think we can match it with the better sides. We'd be 4 or 5 goals down against a quality side. This is on the mids and forwards. They've been very ordinary so far.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 08:16 PM
Umpires are cheats

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 08:16 PM
Man we are getting nothing from the umpires at all.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:18 PM
Better by Bont the last 5 mins.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:18 PM
Man we are getting nothing from the umpires at all.

The in the back against Daniel was rubbish. I hate those calls. Player falls forward at the knees and the tackler does everything to avoid falling into them and it's paid. The umps obviously have never played a game in their life. There are players out there who are very good at dropping to their knees to suck the umps in.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 08:19 PM
Not sure how anyone can watch this and think we can match it with the better sides. We'd be 4 or 5 goals down against a quality side. This is on the mids and forwards. They've been very ordinary so far.

I get your point but this is one of those games you just want to grind a win and take home the points.

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 08:20 PM
Lovely kick Lobb!!

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:20 PM
I get your point but this is one of those games you just want to grind a win and take home the points.

Yeah I'll take the 4pts. But we'll need to lift our effort a few notches next week.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:20 PM
Fair roost from Lobb! Where have we seen that before!?

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 08:20 PM
That’s an elite finish in the wet from the Lobster

lemmon
06-05-2023, 08:20 PM
Gee Lobb is an excellent kick from range. Seems to relax and sink into anything outside 50

jeemak
06-05-2023, 08:22 PM
Has Bont had the quietest 17 touch, nine clearance and one goal game with ten to go in the second quarter ever?

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:23 PM
How was that htb on Bont?

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:23 PM
Weak by Dale. Didn't want to go in hard.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 08:26 PM
Baker is having a mare. Can’t handle the slippery pill.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 08:29 PM
That was ball on Timmy. Lucky.

lemmon
06-05-2023, 08:29 PM
Has Bont had the quietest 17 touch, nine clearance and one goal game with ten to go in the second quarter ever?

We're watching a different game. Think he's the best player on the ground by that far it's not funny.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:31 PM
Keath does my head in these days.

kruder
06-05-2023, 08:31 PM
How many times has Alex Keith allowed the ball to go over the back. FFS!

Mantis
06-05-2023, 08:36 PM
Only meaningful contribution Keath has made is when Daniels kicked it into him… he looks horrible out there.

lemmon
06-05-2023, 08:41 PM
Is Cody struggling to adapt to the 3 key forwards around him? He's been anonymous so far again.

Buckley is putting a clinic on Naughton too. Don't think he's lost a contest yet.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:41 PM
We're always outnumbered at the drop of the footy.

Haven't liked what I've seen but if we can somehow come away with the 4pts I'll take it.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 08:42 PM
Anyone else just want this game to end now? Hate these games that are just a slog fest. Our third game in the wet this year.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 08:43 PM
Naughton does this every week. His second halves are typically always better.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 08:43 PM
Anyone else just want this game to end now? Hate these games that are just a slog fest. Our third game in the wet this year.

3 games in the wet and we've still got 2 games to play in Ballarat! We should be experts in these conditions by now!

macca
06-05-2023, 08:46 PM
How many times has Alex Keith allowed the ball to go over the back. FFS!

Keith looks to be one yard off the pace of the game, it could be time to invest games into a young KPD other than TOB.
Durey was outrum a few times , i think time is catching up with him

Conditiona are terrible Canberra must be a miserable place in winter
Its hard to not admire Ward game sense , his always seems to be in the rights spots

westbulldog
06-05-2023, 08:46 PM
Duryea won't tackle and is too slow, Keath is too slow, Baker can't play in the wet.

macca
06-05-2023, 08:47 PM
Naughton does this every week. His second halves are typically always better.

Do we train with a crumber at the packs , each time Naughton flies ? There does not seem anyone there

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 08:48 PM
It looks like a nothing game

Give Bont 3 Brownlow votes, Dogs 4 points and a nice scotch to go to bed.

kruder
06-05-2023, 08:49 PM
Is Cody struggling to adapt to the 3 key forwards around him? He's been anonymous so far again.

Buckley is putting a clinic on Naughton too. Don't think he's lost a contest yet.

Yeah hasn't had a preseason so hard to be critical, he is a long way off it but have to persist with him.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 08:50 PM
We're watching a different game. Think he's the best player on the ground by that far it's not funny.

Sorry, I thought at that stage he had been humming along and playing well, however, was surprised by the sheer numbers more than anything else.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 08:53 PM
We should be 4-5 goals up. As usual we can’t shrug a tackle.

GVGjr
06-05-2023, 08:53 PM
Is Cody struggling to adapt to the 3 key forwards around him? He's been anonymous so far again.

Buckley is putting a clinic on Naughton too. Don't think he's lost a contest yet.

He's a marking forward and he now needs to adjust.

merantau
06-05-2023, 08:54 PM
This is one of those games when serendipity could end up being BOG. So many contests, scrimmages, chaos balls, deflections, flukey bounces and so on.

They are running, running, running and handballing all the time. We must play close, close, close to cause the turnovers.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 08:55 PM
Bailey Williams a bit quiet after last week

Funke disco
06-05-2023, 08:55 PM
We are doing enough. We can’t expect to romp it home every week. Bont is amazing, Arty is solidifying his spot. Play the conditions well and we’ll take the 4 points home.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 08:57 PM
We should be 4-5 goals up. As usual we can’t shrug a tackle.

We are doing the dsame old things, just belting the ball up high in the F50. Must find targets, Naughton needs to lead, LObb and Jamarra ditto.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 08:58 PM
We are doing enough. We can’t expect to romp it home every week. Bont is amazing, Arty is solidifying his spot. Play the conditions well and we’ll take the 4 points home.

Yes agree. Would like to sub in McNiel. Maybe for a Keith but it’s not raining so maybe wait a quarter

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 09:01 PM
Cody needs to kick this.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 09:02 PM
That’s my boy. Cody’s on the board here come the dogs

lemmon
06-05-2023, 09:02 PM
Think Macrae has been excellent. Looks really clean with the footy.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:04 PM
Never seen us kick so well from distance.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 09:05 PM
How good has JJ been since going back to half back. Great kick, great goal

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 09:05 PM
JJ is having a great year.

MrMahatma
06-05-2023, 09:12 PM
Scott can sure butcher a shot on goal

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:15 PM
Haven't liked Marras marking contests tonight.

Great goal Naughton.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 09:17 PM
Naughton is a work horse with elite talents.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 09:17 PM
Scott can sure butcher a shot on goal

He is having a decent game though

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:19 PM
Crap Treloar done a hammy....

He's been excellent tonight.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:20 PM
Pity no one in the vfl is pressing. A spot in the midfield is open now.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 09:22 PM
Treloar. That’s going to be a big miss. He has been in a rich vein of form.

p.s. just kick the ball, the way he had to arch and stretch to avoid that tackle puts a lot of stress on those hammies

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 09:25 PM
Hopefully it is only a minor grade injury. 3 to 4 weeks

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 09:25 PM
That's a massive loss for us.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:29 PM
This game can't end quick enough.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 09:30 PM
Kingsley seriously needs to learn to relax if he's gonna coach for a few years. Yikes!

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 09:30 PM
The dogs twitter feed is saying it’s hamstring tightness. He has had a history of that this year, only missed a week last time.

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
We got this. Much better 3rd quarter and pushed it out to 5 goals, avoided that red time goal as well which was good.

Night all.

josie
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
Bum. Treloar has been v good, silk. West or Toby - your time to shine.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
Good quarter just need to finish this one off and put them away early in the forth

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
Excellent quarter. Not a great spectacle but hey let’s hope we get the points. Giants have been competitive most games this year so this is shaping up as an excellent performance

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
Fantastic result that GWS missed some very gettable shots on goal, and have now ratcheted up the pressure on themselves.
I am hoping to see a really focused effort from us for the final quarter.

GVGjr
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
Do we train with a crumber at the packs , each time Naughton flies ? There does not seem anyone there

Not that I have seen.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 09:31 PM
Kingsley seriously needs to learn to relax if he's gonna coach for a few years. Yikes!

I was thinking the same thing

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:32 PM
He is having a decent game though

Agreed, had some really important moments in the air and across different contests that have shown why he's a solid foot soldier when playing well. A bit like Roarke.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:33 PM
Kingsley seriously needs to learn to relax if he's gonna coach for a few years. Yikes!


I was thinking the same thing

I'm wondering if he's cut out for it, to be honest.

He's carrying on as if he's either juiced up or jacked up. It's actually distressing to watch.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 09:36 PM
I'm wondering if he's cut out for it, to be honest.

He's carrying on as if he's either juiced up or jacked up. It's actually distressing to watch.

Haha.
He amuses me with his honest body language, open emotion.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:37 PM
That goal was just weak as pi$$! Started with the shocking effort in the forward line.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 09:37 PM
Fantastic result that GWS missed some very gettable shots on goal, and have now ratcheted up the pressure on themselves.
I am hoping to see a really focused effort from us for the final quarter.

Well that's the opposite of what I asked for...

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 09:37 PM
Gee that was really poor by Timmy. Let focus dogs we need to get our heads in the game and close this out

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:41 PM
Typical dogs. Can't put a game away.

Game on again.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 09:41 PM
Surely that’s a mark to English.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 09:42 PM
****ing umpire

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:42 PM
I hate this team.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:43 PM
Bullshit umpiring.

No mark English, no front on contact, two goals.

Come on lads, get the heads back in the game please.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 09:44 PM
Typical dogs.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 09:45 PM
JUH has been bloody awful.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:45 PM
Win or lose tonight we'll get smacked next week. Weak as pi$$ this team.

MrMahatma
06-05-2023, 09:45 PM
We’re gonna lose

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:46 PM
Our ball handling's gone to shit, we compressed too far up and got caught......sound familiar?

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:46 PM
This tells you everything you need to know about this group.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 09:46 PM
WOW how is this one slipping away from us. We need the midfield to step up right now.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 09:46 PM
Get the ball Dogs.

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 09:47 PM
Oh this is ridiculous. Why does this continue to happen under this guy?

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:47 PM
JUH has been bloody awful.

He's been shocking. Needs to ve dropped imo.

Mantis
06-05-2023, 09:49 PM
That’s just dumb by Naughton.

MrMahatma
06-05-2023, 09:50 PM
Keath looks very much cooked

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:50 PM
Need our leaders to lead and Marra to stop being a soft cock and actually handle the football.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:52 PM
What type of dickhead is Richards pushing that guy in the back then? Why would you do it?

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:52 PM
Gardner has let the ball go behind him too many times tonight.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:52 PM
Need our leaders to lead and Marra to stop being a soft cock and actually handle the football.

We have no leaders.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 09:53 PM
Gardner has let the ball go behind him too many times tonight.

VFL player and nothing more.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 09:53 PM
We fumble in the wet, we fumble in the dry.

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 09:53 PM
Letting balls over the back on the wing defensively at this point is inexcusable.

Gardner I'm looking at you.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 09:53 PM
Once again we struggled to stop a run on

Mantis
06-05-2023, 09:54 PM
Gardner has let the ball go behind him too many times tonight.

Came here to write the same thing… no strength in the contest.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 09:58 PM
Thank goodness... Naughts.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 09:58 PM
That is next level from Naughton. Unbelievable.

Marra needs to get out of his own head and back into thinking fast and just going about basics/ percentages.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 09:58 PM
Very much needed that…now cmon

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 09:58 PM
FFS Marra has been garbage tonight.

Thankfully Naughton stands up

macca
06-05-2023, 09:58 PM
thats just dumb footy JUH going on the right. should have napped on his natural left. Does he want to kick a goal or not ?

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 09:59 PM
Bontempelli brilliant.
Naughton goals.
4:30 to go us up by 25.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Jones is a superstar

Mantis
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Arty is having some big moments here.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
How good has Arty been in this quarter? Best handling and not letting it out easily.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Brilliant by Arty!

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Jones has been fantastic.

The kids is showing many of his older teammates how to remain composed.

azabob
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Arthur Jones needs to play every week.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Artie to Naughton.. that's a thing of beauty.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:00 PM
Naughton. Clutch.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
Once again we struggled to stop a run on

Hopefully we stopped this one!

macca
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
That is next level from Naughton. Unbelievable.

Marra needs to get out of his own head and back into thinking fast and just going about basics/ percentages.

He overthought it, he just needs to play on instinct and take the first option, which was snap on his left. It is wet slipper conditions so there is no time for second chances.

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
McNeil's link play ;)

josie
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
Arfer!! I luv ya!!

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
Agree. Jones has been tremendous.

chef
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
Great fight back.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
Rising Star nom for Artie has to be forthcoming this week.

macca
06-05-2023, 10:01 PM
Arty, that was a beautiful kick to Naughton, pivot 360' to evade and delivers to the fwd.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 10:04 PM
No coincidence giants got going once Treloar went off. He was our only mid outside Bont getting his hands dirty.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
06-05-2023, 10:04 PM
I thought Gardner looked really solid in the first half, but faded very badly in the second half.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 10:04 PM
Good effort to come back from the 4 goal onslaught. Happy with the win.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 10:05 PM
Arty has great skills. Makes good decisions and is probably the only guy in the team who can lay a tackle that sticks and break a tackle.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 10:06 PM
Hogan has taught Gardner a few things.
He is learning and getting in touch with the job I think.

macca
06-05-2023, 10:06 PM
Hogan has had a good night in the wet, 3 goals , 17 goals for the year. Multiple goals 7 out of 8 games. His been a good pickup for them since Cameron left.

bulldogsthru&thru
06-05-2023, 10:07 PM
Hogan has had a good night in the wet, 3 goals , 17 goals for the year. Multiple goals 7 out of 8 games. His been a good pickup for them since Cameron left.

Wait till you see what Curnow/Mackay do to us next week.

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 10:07 PM
Apart from the 3rd, very ordinary. Nothing to really celebrate IMO.

chef
06-05-2023, 10:08 PM
Very good win on the road. Sucks about Treloar though.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:08 PM
Important four points. Five wins form our last six. Take the win and focus on next week.

DOG GOD
06-05-2023, 10:08 PM
Wait till you see what Curnow/Mackay do to us next week.

I’m expecting it to be major.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 10:08 PM
Good to see Naughton nail those set shots.

Umpiring is so poor this year. For gods sake protect the head, and holding the man is holding the man when he doesn't have the ball.

Bumper Bulldogs
06-05-2023, 10:09 PM
Good to get that win. Shame about Treloar. Bont and Timmy heads above everyone tonight

bornadog
06-05-2023, 10:09 PM
Wait till you see what Curnow/Mackay do to us next week.

Book marked

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 10:09 PM
Wait till you see what Curnow/Mackay do to us next week.

Meh. Over rated. Jones will have a field day

macca
06-05-2023, 10:09 PM
Wait till you see what Curnow/Mackay do to us next week.

they only thing stopping them kicking a dozen against us , is that MacKay has lost his kicking ability.

Just can't trust our midfield , we faded in the first half of the 4th quarter. We needed to win by 5 goals to get some percentage back. This team would have been very different with Toby Greene.

Tom greene had a massive night, with 38 disposals and 3 goals.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:09 PM
Apart from the 3rd, very ordinary. Nothing to really celebrate IMO.

Five wins form our last six. Should have really beat Port. Building. All you need to do at this stage of the year is bank wins. Four points. Move on.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:10 PM
Credit to the Giants for fighting it out, and credit to our boys for finding a way to repel them.

Have to be happy with five from the last six, now need to find a way to grind out wins over the next few weeks as winter sets in.

Some of the assertiveness we saw against Fremantle seems to have dissipated the last couple of weeks, we need to get it back because the better teams will take the initiative and punish us like the Giants did in the last quarter.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 10:10 PM
Five wins form our last six. Should have really beat Port. Building. All you need to do at this stage of the year is bank wins. Four points. Move on.

Yep, enjoy the fact we won. Next week is just another challenge.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:11 PM
Apart from the 3rd, very ordinary. Nothing to really celebrate IMO.

It's difficult to win games of footy. I try to enjoy all of them even if they aren't perfect.

You can usually tell what the win is like by the response of the players. They look really happy with this one.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 10:13 PM
Five wins form our last six. Should have really beat Port. Building. All you need to do at this stage of the year is bank wins. Four points. Move on.

Exactly. No need to over analyse this performance. Most teams have ordinary wins - like Dees over Gold Coast. Just get the points and as you say move on

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:14 PM
Tom Green. 12 touches and two goals in the last quarter. Incredible.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 10:15 PM
Carlton always trouble us, and without Treloar, I'm concerned but they're not in amazing form either.

bornadog
06-05-2023, 10:15 PM
Conditions didn't suit Jamarra, he just couldn't hold his marks with a slippery ball.

Lobb was very ordinary, but did have 12 hitouts when he gave Timmy a chop out.

Tim was excellent and took 10 marks and won the rucks.

macca
06-05-2023, 10:18 PM
Bonts 26 contested possession. Massive night, 33 disposals, 560 m gained, 7 tackles

Probably better game than Dunks, given the conditions.

whythelongface
06-05-2023, 10:18 PM
Tom Green. 12 touches and two goals in the last quarter. Incredible.

He is a very good player

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:21 PM
Bonts 26 contested possession. Massive night, 33 disposals, 560 m gained, 7 tackles

Probably better game than Dunks, given the conditions.

14 clearances too.

I only worship one King. Marcus the first of his name hailing from Eltham. Long live Marcus.

The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2023, 10:21 PM
I'd love to throw the sink at Tom Green.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:23 PM
Conditions didn't suit Jamarra, he just couldn't hold his marks with a slippery ball.

Lobb was very ordinary, but did have 12 hitouts when he gave Timmy a chop out.

Tim was excellent and took 10 marks and won the rucks.

Lobb did also kick a couple of important early goals. He faded but still contributed giving English a chop out.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:23 PM
I'd love to throw the sink at Tom Green.

Was thinking the same thing.

The Hurley money should still be lying around somewhere.

Eastdog
06-05-2023, 10:23 PM
Watched the game at home tonight but had a nice meal at the Steam Packet Hotel in Williamstown beforehand.

Good win. Played well for 3 quarters.

We let ourselves down a bit early in the final term but steadied again to get the points Naughton quite important there.

Bont is unbelievable. Arty Jones is looking really good, JJ having a good year as well as English.

Great to be back in the top 8 again.

Go Bulldogs!

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:24 PM
Gigacz

Most clearances in a V/AFL match for the @WesternBulldogs (1998 onwards)…

14 - MARCUS BONTEMPELLI (R8 2023)
14 - J. Macrae (R6 2023)
14 - Tom Liberatore (R22 2013)
14 - S. Garlick (R10 1999)
13 - 9 players

G-Mo77
06-05-2023, 10:24 PM
Five wins form our last six. Should have really beat Port. Building. All you need to do at this stage of the year is bank wins. Four points. Move on.

Not buying it. If we beat Carlton next week I might start thinking we're building. Knocking over the bottom end of the comp the last 3 weeks proves very little and especially after doing our traditional meltdown tonight. I'm sick of seeing it.

azabob
06-05-2023, 10:25 PM
Conditions didn't suit Jamarra, he just couldn't hold his marks with a slippery ball.

Lobb was very ordinary, but did have 12 hitouts when he gave Timmy a chop out.

Tim was excellent and took 10 marks and won the rucks.

Lobb kicked two goals, what more did you want?

Granted I was on the couch but didnt he play in the same conditions as JUH, who you gave an out to.

angelopetraglia
06-05-2023, 10:28 PM
Not buying it. If we beat Carlton next week I might start thinking we're building. Knocking over the bottom end of the comp the last 3 weeks proves very little and especially after doing our traditional meltdown tonight. I'm sick of seeing it.

Freo made the finals last year. Still need to beat them on their home deck. GWS beat the Grand Finalists last week. Albeit they are beat up. Agree, not flying. But racking wins up and being two ahead of the ledger is OK.

I think with our opening rounds fixture most people would have taken 5-3 after 8 rounds.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:28 PM
Not buying it. If we beat Carlton next week I might start thinking we're building. Knocking over the bottom end of the comp the last 3 weeks proves very little and especially after doing our traditional meltdown tonight. I'm sick of seeing it.

We lost a prime mover and it hurt us, but we dug deep and recovered. I'd have preferred to take one or two more chances in the last and not give the last one up, but it's lineball.

We've had two really poor weeks, and six where we've either won or put ourselves in a position to win to be five and three after eight. It's more positive than negative in my view.

Eastdog
06-05-2023, 10:28 PM
Not buying it. If we beat Carlton next week I might start thinking we're building. Knocking over the bottom end of the comp the last 3 weeks proves very little and especially after doing our traditional meltdown tonight. I'm sick of seeing it.

We have put ourselves in a great position considering the start to the season we had. 5-3 win loss and not far believe it or not from the top of the ladder with percentage being the difference.

No one is really all conquering at this momnet in time Pies and Demons are vulnerable.

ReLoad
06-05-2023, 10:34 PM
I'd love to throw the sink at Tom Green.

This!!!

azabob
06-05-2023, 10:34 PM
I’m ok with our performance tonight. We were fairly clinical and took our chances in front of goal.

Macrae is building into form again, glad to see Lobb starting to spend more time in the ruck.

Shout out to English who has changed his game and doing a lot of grunt work in the defensive half of the ground.

Grantysghost
06-05-2023, 10:34 PM
Lobb kicked two goals, what more did you want?

Granted I was on the couch but didnt he play in the same conditions as JUH, who you gave an out to.

Lobb was ok by me.

BornInDroopSt'54
06-05-2023, 10:35 PM
Wait till you see what Curnow/Mackay do to us next week.

Bring it on.
It better be quick delivery to the two.
Bony v Green this week, v Cripps next.

jazzadogs
06-05-2023, 10:40 PM
Really impressed with that win. Horrible conditions with the cold and wet, so to be able to maintain our composure when they got within 8 points and steady the ship was a massive tick for the group.

The loss of Treloar clearly really hurt us. They were able to sub Cadman for a small, and while we had probably planned to sub Lobb or Marra and gain an extra small, we couldn't.

Arty Jones - fantastic. Getting better every week.

I thought the forwards all had good games, in that they took their chances. The first snap from Marra. Lobbs set shot from outside 50. Cody winning a key 1v1 and slotting it. Naughton nailing his two in the final quarter. Given the wet and cold, it's a great return.

God Save the Bont.

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:41 PM
Lobb kicked two goals, what more did you want?

Granted I was on the couch but didnt he play in the same conditions as JUH, who you gave an out to.

This is a direct attack BAD, don't let it slide by!

bornadog
06-05-2023, 10:43 PM
This is a direct attack BAD, don't let it slide by!

I couldn't be bothered

jeemak
06-05-2023, 10:43 PM
Really impressed with that win. Horrible conditions with the cold and wet, so to be able to maintain our composure when they got within 8 points and steady the ship was a massive tick for the group.

The loss of Treloar clearly really hurt us. They were able to sub Cadman for a small, and while we had probably planned to sub Lobb or Marra and gain an extra small, we couldn't.

Arty Jones - fantastic. Getting better every week.

I thought the forwards all had good games, in that they took their chances. The first snap from Marra. Lobbs set shot from outside 50. Cody winning a key 1v1 and slotting it. Naughton nailing his two in the final quarter. Given the wet and cold, it's a great return.

God Save the Bont.

At three quarter time and in the lead up to that point I was super happy with the professionalism of the way we managed the game's tempo and constrained GWS, a bit like I was with our third last week where we starved the Hawks of any opportunities.

We clearly lapsed in the first half of the last quarter, but responded really well. You add the conditions to that and it was a danger game that we walked away with.

josie
06-05-2023, 10:44 PM
Apart from his two goals (that outside 50 one was a thing of beauty) I thought Lobb showed a bit more steel in some ground level and contested ball situations. Some of his ruck tap work I also thought was clever and shows he is gelling with our players better.

merantau
06-05-2023, 10:47 PM
A win is a win. They played a very fast game and were pretty clean in the conditions. There's always a big element of chance in conditions like this. Very congested play, smothers, hack kicks, hack swipes, kicks off the carpet - they can go to advantage IF you're lucky. And we tended not to be tonight.

Still we got the job done. Next week is a big game. It's our op to stake a claim. I do not like Carlton or their supporters.

Eastdog
06-05-2023, 10:54 PM
Lobb was ok by me.

Thought he did ok as well. Started off slow but is slowly getting into the groove in the team.

SonofScray
06-05-2023, 10:55 PM
That patch after XOH scored for them felt like the weekly collapse, such was the panic and swift nature of their 4 goal run. Su ked a bit of joy and some percentage out of the win.

macca
06-05-2023, 10:55 PM
I know its good to have a win in tough conditions, but the last 3 goals cost us 3% points. % will matter towards end of season.

GWS are a dangerous side and their 4th last place should not be treated as a lowly opposition team.

WE 99.5% PF vs PA : 616 vs 619

if we added 18 points it would be: 616+18 = 634 vs 619 = 102.4%

Scorlibo
06-05-2023, 10:57 PM
Weird game. Feels to me like we only won on the scoreboard. Half chances turned into goals for Arty, JJ, Naughton and Lobb were the difference, meanwhile the Giants squandered a lot of easy shots.

It's an even competition this year so we've got to be happy with the four points, and with the 5-3 record. Hopefully we can improve from here to start playing the kind of football we all think this group is capable of playing, but it's also worth confronting the reality that we're not a contender right now. Our ledger is in better shape, now we need to find another gear.