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GVGjr
16-03-2023, 04:18 PM
Mick McGuane looks at the clubs with the best depth in the AFL (https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/mick-mcguane-looks-at-the-clubs-with-the-best-depth-in-the-afl-heading-into-the-2023-season/news-story/677b8344fb18bc38b2694f51190e79b1)

He might have signed a contract extension over the off-season after being clearly identified as the man to take the Western Bulldogs forward.

But that doesn’t mean that the pressure is off Luke Beveridge entering 2023.

In fact, it is quite the opposite.

After taking a deep dive into every AFL list with Glenn McFarlane for The Ultimate Player Ratings project, the depth of talent at Beveridge’s disposal became crystal clear.

We tried to be harsh in rating every player across the competition out of 10 and from that we came up with the average score for every team to establish the Ultimate AFL List Depth Ladder.

The Bulldogs finished in fifth spot, the narrowest of margins behind last year’s runner-up Sydney.

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After playing off in a Grand Final themselves in 2021, this Bulldogs side didn’t go close to realising its potential last season as it finished eighth before bombing out of the race with an elimination final loss to Fremantle.

Beveridge is a premiership coach and the club clearly still has significant faith in him.

But if the Bulldogs’ best players stay healthy this year, this is a side which should not only be participating in finals but should believe it is a legitimate chance to win the flag.

With the list they have got, anything less than a deep run into September could only be deemed as a failure – and then the pressure will mount on Beveridge.

The additions of recruits Rory Lobb and Liam Jones will help the cause and have bolstered the list.

Don’t expect Lobb to kick 36 goals like he did at Fremantle when he was the main man last year, but his presence will take pressure off Aaron Naughton.

The Bulldogs were one-dimensional going forward at times last season, with Naughton their clear No. 1 target.

At the other end, key defender Jones will add some aerial and intercepting strength.

But unless the Bulldogs develop a better whole-ground team defence and apply manic pressure on the opposition ball carrier coming out of their forward line, Jones might not make much of a difference.

The other change many Bulldogs fans would no doubt like to see is around week-to-week selection changes.

There is always a horses for courses selection and it does take a squad mentality to win a premiership.

But don’t flirt with form by making unnecessary changes to your 23 each week and quit gifting games to players who have not earned them.

It is a big year for the Bulldogs — and Beveridge.

THE ULTIMATE AFL LIST DEPTH LADDER

GEELONG 5.55
MELBOURNE 5.49
BRISBANE 5.48
SYDNEY 5.47
WESTERN BULLDOGS 5.46
RICHMOND 5.40
COLLINGWOOD 5.39
FREMANTLE 5.38
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CARLTON 5.33
PORT ADELAIDE 5.31
GOLD COAST 5.25
ESSENDON 5.17
ST KILDA 5.16
ADELAIDE 5.14
GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY 5.13
WEST COAST 5.10
HAWTHORN 5.08
NORTH MELBOURNE 5.06
# Based on player averages of ratings out of 10, made by Mick McGuane and Glenn McFarlane as part of The Ultimate Player Ratings.

GVGjr
16-03-2023, 04:20 PM
We will be a huge part of the footy discussion next week win, lose or draw.
The 4 talls collective will generate a lot of debate with Bevo being labelled a genius if we win or a mad professor if we lose.

One way or the other we are going to be a talking point next week.

Axe Man
16-03-2023, 04:22 PM
It's funny the depth ladder isn't far off a lot of predicted ladders.


PS You're the boss but shouldn't this be on Dog's Day or AFL Talk?

GVGjr
16-03-2023, 04:26 PM
It's funny the depth ladder isn't far off a lot of predicted ladders.


PS You're the boss but shouldn't this be on Dog's Day or AFL Talk?

Perhaps but I'm not putting the other teams up unless I find it interesting. This was more Bulldogs focused.

It might highlight that we won't be able to use a lack of depth as an excuse this year.

ledge
16-03-2023, 04:30 PM
I’m surprised Sydney are above us and the tigers to be honest .

bornadog
16-03-2023, 04:33 PM
But don’t flirt with form by making unnecessary changes to your 23 each week and quit gifting games to players who have not earned them.

Do we? I don't think so. I think we pick the best available each week, but sometimes we give players more games than we should - in hindsight of course - if it doesn't work.

So many experts out there with their views on who should play and who shouldn't - that is fine, but don't have a go at the match committee if you don't know the inside discussions.

azabob
16-03-2023, 04:35 PM
I’m surprised Sydney are above us and the tigers to be honest .

Well we are ahead of Richmond and Sydney did make the grand final last year.

azabob
16-03-2023, 04:41 PM
Do we? I don't think so. I think we pick the best available each week, but sometimes we give players more games than we should - in hindsight of course - if it doesn't work.

So many experts out there with their views on who should play and who shouldn't - that is fine, but don't have a go at the match committee if you don't know the inside discussions.

So if hindsight suggests we shouldn't have played Player X for 5 weeks, are we not giving them games they perhaps don't deserve?

To your second point surely you don't believe we cannot have discussions if we are not inside the clubs four walls?

bornadog
16-03-2023, 04:48 PM
To your second point surely you don't believe we cannot have discussions if we are not inside the clubs four walls?

You didn't read my post. Discussion is fine, but bagging the MC because we think we know everything is what I personally don't like. I like everyone's opinions, that is what it all about. Comments like sack the coach because a certain player didn't play is not what I like.

McGuane thinks he knows it all publishing BS like that.

Scraggers
16-03-2023, 04:54 PM
I like this article ... no beating around the bush and just stating clearly what we have all known for 5 months since trade period ended.

azabob
16-03-2023, 06:58 PM
You didn't read my post. Discussion is fine, but bagging the MC because we think we know everything is what I personally don't like. I like everyone's opinions, that is what it all about. Comments like sack the coach because a certain player didn't play is not what I like.

McGuane thinks he knows it all publishing BS like that.

Ah ok.
As you quoted G I thought you directed your comments to him.

GVGjr
16-03-2023, 06:59 PM
Do we? I don't think so. I think we pick the best available each week, but sometimes we give players more games than we should - in hindsight of course - if it doesn't work.

So many experts out there with their views on who should play and who shouldn't - that is fine, but don't have a go at the match committee if you don't know the inside discussions.

According to Mick and many others we do.

bornadog
16-03-2023, 07:03 PM
Ah ok.
As you quoted G I thought you directed your comments to him.

Sorry, I was quoting the article.

GVGjr
16-03-2023, 07:36 PM
Do we? I don't think so. I think we pick the best available each week, but sometimes we give players more games than we should - in hindsight of course - if it doesn't work.

So many experts out there with their views on who should play and who shouldn't - that is fine, but don't have a go at the match committee if you don't know the inside discussions.

Lets not get too Colgate Sensitive about Micks comments. He is just a journo and he has expressed his belief.
FWIW he mentioned to me the same thing at the intra club training that we mess around with our selections.
If we win enough we will prove him wrong.

azabob
16-03-2023, 07:52 PM
Colgate sensitive lol

FrediKanoute
17-03-2023, 01:06 AM
Do we? I don't think so. I think we pick the best available each week, but sometimes we give players more games than we should - in hindsight of course - if it doesn't work.

So many experts out there with their views on who should play and who shouldn't - that is fine, but don't have a go at the match committee if you don't know the inside discussions.

Yes we do. We have probably done it this week. JJ? HAnnan? Practically unsighted all preseason yet in the 23 for round 1.

Last year the amount of games that Lathan, McComb, McNeil got on the back of scratchy form was ridiculous.

You can go back further and then ask why guys like L Young, J Schache and Lipinski

Stevo
18-03-2023, 02:47 PM
You didn't read my post. Discussion is fine, but bagging the MC because we think we know everything is what I personally don't like. I like everyone's opinions, that is what it all about. Comments like sack the coach because a certain player didn't play is not what I like.

McGuane thinks he knows it all publishing BS like that.

Im going to try and follow your lead and treat any negative comment about the club by the media like its poison.
Is it ok for me to to call our players Fatty McButterPants if I think they have hit the salty snacks?

bornadog
18-03-2023, 03:04 PM
Im going to try and follow your lead and treat any negative comment about the club by the media like its poison.


My point was he publishes an article saying Bevo got the selections wrong?

Does any other club cop that from the media? I think not.


Is it ok for me to to call our players Fatty McButterPants if I think they have hit the salty snacks?

Why you asking me