WB Game Day V North Melbourne R14 2023 Sun 18/6, 4:40PM - Marvel Stadium

[DOG GOD]

Whatever Bont had a half time, I want some.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Naughton has looked pretty good from my eye. Better than Keath. Got to remember he hasn't trained as a defender for 4-5 years.

I have no doubt if he did a preseason as a defender he'd be as good as any.

[hujsh]

That was a good positive spoil from Naughton. Not what we usually expect from our defenders I know but maybe it's a good element to add to our defensive unit

[bornadog]

Keath is cooked, had been for a long time

[angelopetraglia]

Keath is embarrassing. Simply can’t defend 1:1. We are in serious trouble without Jones.

[hujsh]

Naughton has looked pretty good from my eye. Better than Keath. Got to remember he hasn't trained as a defender for 4-5 years.

I have no doubt if he did a preseason as a defender he'd be as good as any.

Yeah, aside from Jones can anyone name a better key defender in our team this year?

[whythelongface]

Naughton has looked pretty good from my eye. Better than Keath. Got to remember he hasn't trained as a defender for 4-5 years.

I have no doubt if he did a preseason as a defender he'd be as good as any.

Agree. Needs time to adjust

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Keath is struggling. Slow to react, slow to move.

[bulldogtragic]

Naughton has looked pretty good from my eye. Better than Keath. Got to remember he hasn't trained as a defender for 4-5 years.

I have no doubt if he did a preseason as a defender he'd be as good as any.

100%. While all the other forwards look 100% more dangerous.

Overall win for the match day side.

[angelopetraglia]

Keath is struggling. Slow to react, slow to move.

Watched him closely. He is the opposite of a Jones. He plays the man instead of playing the ball. Even when he is in a better position to go at the ball he looks for his man. Lost all confidence.

[whythelongface]

Keath is embarrassing. Simply can’t defend 1:1. We are in serious trouble without Jones.

Has Keath ever been a 1 v 1. He is an intercept defender. Hardly embarrassing when you are playing on Larkey

[bornadog]

Great kick Aaron

[Mantis]

That?s the concern with Naughton in defence.

[angelopetraglia]

Zuhar out marks Naughton and Keath. Seriously. We can’t defend a high ball to save ourselves.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

F*** me can't play Naughton anywhere. He can't kick!

[hujsh]

Lol of course Naughton does that as we're gassing him up

[MrMahatma]

Happy Naughton could swing back and provide some support but also happy to put him forward next week.

[whythelongface]

Keath is struggling. Slow to react, slow to move.

Thought he played ok today.

[D Mitchell]

That?s rubbish by Jamarra? had Lobb by himself for an eternity, burns him and floats a right footer to no-one.

Why are you surprised ?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Naughton to the wing.

[D Mitchell]

F*** me can't play Naughton anywhere. He can't kick!

Back to the VFL ?

[whythelongface]

Zuhar out marks Naughton and Keath. Seriously. We can’t defend a high ball to save ourselves.

Zurhaar clearly had position. The other two were battling to get to the contest. Not much else they could have done

[hujsh]

Zurhaar looks like a pro wrestler from he 70s. Big and everything but doesn't know about steroids so looks overweight too. Like Andre the giant

[whythelongface]

Back to the VFL ?

Tell me you are joking right.

[Mantis]

I’m over Libba just throwing the ball out.

[bornadog]

Learn to kick

[The Bulldogs Bite]

JUHs goal kicking is a big concern. We have a knack for turning good kicks into bad kicks.

[Mantis]

Jamarra’s run up is nothing like it was…. Lost it completely.

[hujsh]

Jamarra been good today IMO deserved a goal but needs to get his kicking right

[jeemak]

That's complete shit Jamarra.

[DOG GOD]

A win is a win but geez…pretty average really.

Weightman, Bont, Treloar all great games.

Defence looks in deep poo without Jones.

[angelopetraglia]

Inside 50m count 36 to 72. Yet we still just limp to the line. Same problems that have plagued us for weeks. We only win from sheer weight of ball today.

[jeemak]

Oh well, a win is a win is a win.

Needed to convert more opportunities, as usual, and get some percentage up but of course that's just not what we do.

[DOG GOD]

That's complete shit Jamarra.

He’s just poking at the ball, and the thing is, when he does miss he doesn’t even look angry about it, but has a “oh well” attitude about it.

[Bullies]

Keath is struggling. Slow to react, slow to move. Keath was shot last year.

[angelopetraglia]

Thank God Weightman can kick straight.

[lemmon]

Marra's lost all confidence with his kicking. That last stab at goal said it all.

[G-Mo77]

Just too patchy. If we ignore the first 3 quarters we looked really good early in the 4th and a small stint after they got a run on then slept again. It's disappointing, it really looked like we were going to put them to the sword.

Well done to Cody, 6 goals, clearly the best forward we have.

[D Mitchell]

Tell me you are joking right.
Can a question be a joke ? That's a response to a criticism of Naughton. Not a joke.

[kruder]

Marra leans back on it, just doesn't use momentum to his advantage.

[JanLorMill]

We are cursed by injury.
Cursed? Maybe it?s a good thing Naughton has to go back

[D Mitchell]

I’m over Libba just throwing the ball out.
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Nah, throw on, Libba, as long as you get away with it.

[G-Mo77]

Marra's lost all confidence with his kicking. That last stab at goal said it all.

How did it get so bad? We was praised for his kicking at goal before he got here. That last one was bloody awful.

[jeemak]

Really annoyed at Jamarra's blatant ignoring of Lobb's lead in the last as well. Reward the effort mate, don't faff about with it and use your opposite to find their intercepting tall. Keep it simple.

Outside of that and his misses, was super happy with his game.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Nah, throw on, Libba, as long as you get away with it.

Doesn't help us when it goes straight to the opposition and we're completely out of position. Sometimes you need to take the contact, hold the ball, and reset at a stoppage.

[DOG GOD]

Cursed? Maybe it?s a good thing Naughton has to go back

Naughton will be FF next game. Bruce and Gardner will be in for Jones and O’Brien against Freo

[JanLorMill]

Naughton will be FF next game. Bruce and Gardner will be in for Jones and O’Brien against Freo
God help us

[bulldogtragic]

Really annoyed at Jamarra's blatant ignoring of Lobb's lead in the last as well. Reward the effort mate, don't faff about with it and use your opposite to find their intercepting tall. Keep it simple.

Outside of that and his misses, was super happy with his game.

If he could kick straight, he’d be the talk of the competition.

[D Mitchell]

JUHs goal kicking is a big concern. We have a knack for turning good kicks into bad kicks.
"We" don't. Individual players do. When an individual forward consistently fails to kick goals, look at him, not the Club.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

You think we?re playing finals?

Yes.
Should win another 5.

[D Mitchell]

Doesn't help us when it goes straight to the opposition and we're completely out of position. Sometimes you need to take the contact, hold the ball, and reset at a stoppage.

Apologies to Mantis. "I’m over Libba just throwing the ball out." me too, now.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I think we'll steamroll them in the 3rd then rest in the 4th and come out winners by about 3 or 4 goals.

You're right.

[EasternWest]

This story keeps changing too much. It was a Band-Aid on elbow after hitting your funny bone right? Right?

Right!

[jazzadogs]

Bont second half - 21 disposals, 7 tackles, 3 goals. He was unbelievable.

[bulldogtragic]

Right!

Poor bastard, it really hurts. Hope you’re ok now.

[D Mitchell]

If he could kick straight, he?d be the talk of the competition.
La plume de ma tante, est sur le bureau de mon oncle. If my... aw forget it. No 1 draft picks who, allegedly, dominated as forwards in the APS have to kick goals. 3 years, now. Potential has its limits.

[westbulldog]

I?m over Libba just throwing the ball out.

27 disposals 9 tackles and 8 clearances - you'd drop him would you ? One of our better players today :)

[bulldogtragic]

La plume de ma tante, est sur le bureau de mon oncle. If my... aw forget it. No 1 draft picks who, allegedly, dominated as forwards in the APS have to kick goals. 3 years, now. Potential has its limits.

With respect, your point is?

[jazzadogs]

27 disposals 9 tackles and 8 clearances - you'd drop him would you ? One of our better players today :)

I think you can respect a good game from Libba and be frustrated with him releasing the ball aimlessly, when it could be held in. Even giving up a holding the ball free kick is better than a quick turnover.

That's how I interpreted the comment, not that he throws when he should handball.

[Boots]

I was driving back from Sydney and missed the game - is it worth a watch? I felt a bit like it was all downside - lose and we'd have lost to North Melbourne, win and we hadn't really proved anything. I see at a glance we were super accurate as usual, though I appreciate Cody getting 6(!)

[kruder]

Worth noting Norrrfff only had 36 inside 50s and scored 84 points.

[bulldogtragic]

I think you can respect a good game from Libba and be frustrated with him releasing the ball aimlessly, when it could be held in. Even giving up a holding the ball free kick is better than a quick turnover.

That's how I interpreted the comment, not that he throws when he should handball.

Exactly. It’s happened a fair bit this year. Stupid handballs over his head to space (usually direct opposition) who go and waltz a goal. It’s a regular occurrence and he’d be yet even better if he just eliminated this out of his game and took the occasional HTB. It’s unnecessary and I hope he tightens up on it along with others.

[jazzadogs]

Worth noting Norrrfff only had 36 inside 50s and scored 84 points.

Worth noting we lost our defensive pillar in the opening 10 minutes and then another KPD-lite at half time. I think we adapted pretty well.

[Mantis]

27 disposals 9 tackles and 8 clearances - you'd drop him would you ? One of our better players today :)

Not sure how you went down this path? my comment, as per others was about his decision to release the ball away aimlessly when he didn?t need to. He has cost us goals at crucial times this year and it needs to stop.

[Grantysghost]

I was driving back from Sydney and missed the game - is it worth a watch? I felt a bit like it was all downside - lose and we'd have lost to North Melbourne, win and we hadn't really proved anything. I see at a glance we were super accurate as usual, though I appreciate Cody getting 6(!)

It was a good game to watch, give it a crack.

[jazzadogs]

I was driving back from Sydney and missed the game - is it worth a watch? I felt a bit like it was all downside - lose and we'd have lost to North Melbourne, win and we hadn't really proved anything. I see at a glance we were super accurate as usual, though I appreciate Cody getting 6(!)

Some hair pulling moments but also some great individual efforts. Safe in the knowledge that we won and the stressful moments don't matter, I would watch it.

[D Mitchell]

With respect, your point is?
With equal respect, several points
(a) I remember my secondary school French lessons;
(b) ifs. Even "les Francais" worked out that after 3 years, it's results that count.

[bulldogtragic]

With equal respect, several points
(a) I remember my secondary school French lessons;
(b) ifs. Even "les Francais" worked out that after 3 years, it's results that count.

He was a great kick not just in APS but from memory of watching his NAB League games. I’m a little lost how he could have such a reliable routine in his goal kicking and now you’d bet against him every shot.

[josie]

What is injury to O’Brien?

[EasternWest]

What is injury to O’Brien?

Hurtful comments on woof.

But really his hamstring

[kruder]

What is injury to O’Brien?

Feel for him his body doesn't hold up, he is at the crossroads.

[kruder]

Thought Westy was solid, just did the basics but was effective.

[GVGjr]

What is injury to O’Brien?

A hamstring. Not what he needed.

[JanLorMill]

A hamstring. Not what he needed.
Come on it’s not like we are losing a top liner. He is delist material. More a blessing in disguise

[D Mitchell]

He was a great kick not just in APS but from memory of watching his NAB League games. I’m a little lost how he could have such a reliable routine in his goal kicking and now you’d bet against him every shot.

My prayers, not bets, are that anyone wearing R-W-B hooped jumpers will kick straight. Individual v Team. I'm on the side of the latter. APS and U18 are boys, not gym-hardened, multiple AFL gamed men. No 1 draft picks who don't perform, end up, like McCartin who at least had medical issues, at other clubs in defence. It's the team, not the individual. If Ugle-Hagan can play a role delivering to goal kickers, fine, to date he's unreliable as a goal kicker, 3 years now, and has shown little in any other capacity.

[westbulldog]

Not sure how you went down this path? my comment, as per others was about his decision to release the ball away aimlessly when he didn?t need to. He has cost us goals at crucial times this year and it needs to stop.

My point is Libba is THE best in and under player we have, so what if he makes the odd error, doesn't everyone ? If you can pinpoint multiple instances of it happening that cost us GAMES I would take your point,

[angelopetraglia]

Bevo. JOD. Bruce. Gardner. All were solid in the VFL. So there are some boys who can come in and play those roles, even though they were not at their best the week prior. Aaron is important for us forward, so it is unlikely he plays back as we have options. So Naughts will stay forward.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Come on it’s not like we are losing a top liner. He is delist material. More a blessing in disguise

A bit tough on O’Brien.
Has he been any worse than Bruce Keath or Gardner

[angelopetraglia]

Bevo. Jones has fractured his radius. He will need that plated. Chris Bell just gave me a look at the X-Ray. So he will be out for a while.

[GVGjr]

Come on it’s not like we are losing a top liner. He is delist material. More a blessing in disguise

I said thats not what he needed and no one is saying he is a top liner. I don't think he's been that bad though.

[angelopetraglia]

Treloar was tremendous. They are still managing his time on ground. Only JOnes, O'Brien, McNeil and Baker played less minutes. Yet he still had 34 touches, 7 clearances, 16 contested possessions and kicked a goal.

[bornadog]

Bevo. Jones has fractured his radius. He will need that plated. Chris Bell just gave me a look at the X-Ray. So he will be out for a while.

That could be season

[angelopetraglia]

Nice post match interview with Adam Treloar with the 3AW team. Worth a listen. I do like Adam the person. He has been a great addition to our club. https://www.3aw.com.au/adam-treloar-reflects-on-his-own-form-after-hard-fought-victory/

[angelopetraglia]

That could be season

It will depend on how bad the break is. With the way they put the plates in these days he could be playing in a couple of weeks as the risk of further injury would be minor.

[Eastdog]

Home now. Just happy to get the win today after 3 losses in a row. Was worried early on about our kicking but that improved as the game went on. We still have improvement in us and hopefully we see that in the 2nd half of the year now and push for the finals as high as we can.

Weightman was excellent with 6 goals and provided heaps up forward. Bontempelli does special things as we know. Loved that goal in the last quarter. Libba is a workhorse. Thought Bailey Dale and Adam Trelaor were good today as well.

We have the break next week before playing Freo back at Marvel which is another important game well they all are really.

[angelopetraglia]

Anyone concerned about the number of hamstrings that have occurred this season? JJ. Richards. O'Brien. Treloar.

[bornadog]

Home now. Just happy to get the win today after 3 losses in a row. Was worried early on about our kicking but that improved as the game went on. We still have improvement in us and hopefully we see that in the 2nd half of the year now and push for the finals as high as we can.

Weightman was excellent with 7 goals and provided heaps up forward. Bontempelli does special things as we know. Loved that goal in the last quarter. Libba is a workhorse. Thought Bailey Dale and Adam Trelaor were good today as well.

We have the break next week before playing Freo back at Marvel which is another important game well they all are really.

6 goals

[angelopetraglia]

Home now. Just happy to get the win today after 3 losses in a row. Was worried early on about our kicking but that improved as the game went on. We still have improvement in us and hopefully we see that in the 2nd half of the year now and push for the finals as high as we can.

Weightman was excellent with 7 goals and provided heaps up forward. Bontempelli does special things as we know. Loved that goal in the last quarter. Libba is a workhorse. Thought Bailey Dale and Adam Trelaor were good today as well.

We have the break next week before playing Freo back at Marvel which is another important game well they all are really.

Great game by Cody. Agree. But only six goals. The shot for his 7th was just touched on the line.

[Eastdog]

6 goals

My mistake thanks for correcting me BAD :D

[angelopetraglia]

Anyone understand why Bailey Smith was out running after the game? https://twitter.com/bencameron23/status/1670368441323388928?s=48&t=zlq7w7_yjoPQHnkhTrZFnA

He didn't have a great game by his standards. Only 19 touches and -22m gained. But he did play 82% of game time.

[MrMahatma]

Anyone understand why Bailey Smith was out running after the game? https://twitter.com/bencameron23/status/1670368441323388928?s=48&t=zlq7w7_yjoPQHnkhTrZFnA

He didn't have a great game by his standards. Only 19 touches and -22m gained. But he did play 82% of game time.

Might be just part of his overall load and given its a bye week, it might allow him to take it easier this week.

He loves running no doubt.

[Grantysghost]

Anyone understand why Bailey Smith was out running after the game? https://twitter.com/bencameron23/status/1670368441323388928?s=48&t=zlq7w7_yjoPQHnkhTrZFnA

He didn't have a great game by his standards. Only 19 touches and -22m gained. But he did play 82% of game time.

Punishment.

[bornadog]

great photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy5GlhPaMAIVHRP?format=jpg&name=medium

[GVGjr]

Anyone understand why Bailey Smith was out running after the game? https://twitter.com/bencameron23/status/1670368441323388928?s=48&t=zlq7w7_yjoPQHnkhTrZFnA

He didn't have a great game by his standards. Only 19 touches and -22m gained. But he did play 82% of game time.

Well, last week I think we started him on the bench for 3 of the 4 quarters and he probably only started in the last quarter because Keath was doing a concussion test and I think Williams was pushed back.
I'm not 100% sure but he might have started on the bench 3 of the quarters again tonight. He might need to be doing some extra work.

[SonofScray]

Good to win. I hate Norf, so that’s an added bonus to what was an otherwise pretty underwhelming performance.

West and Caleb in the third were important.
Bont a real captain’s game.
Treloar good too.
Marra good enough, with a clear area to fix.
Cody the star of the show.

We don’t walk away from that game with any new info. We are a team that’s just thereabouts. Should be beating up a team like the Roos. Showed some OK signs and got torched at times like we always do. That’s a worry, that the good teams and the crap teams can score on us easily and waltz through the middle. It says it’s to do with us, more than anyone else.

Felt like a real chore today, until WEIGHTMAN lit us up.

[D Mitchell]

No idea why and it seemed strange but I would assume it's like what the cheer squad does when the players run out.
For what it's worth I'm not doing it anyway.
Easy. 50 games more than mine.

[The bulldog tragician]

Good to win. I hate Norf, so that?s an added bonus to what was an otherwise pretty underwhelming performance.

West and Caleb in the third were important.
Bont a real captain?s game.
Treloar good too.
Marra good enough, with a clear area to fix.
Cody the star of the show.

We don?t walk away from that game with any new info. We are a team that?s just thereabouts. Should be beating up a team like the Roos. Showed some OK signs and got torched at times like we always do. That?s a worry, that the good teams and the crap teams can score on us easily and waltz through the middle. It says it?s to do with us, more than anyone else.

Felt like a real chore today, until WEIGHTMAN lit us up.
That?s a good summary. Sadly there weren?t many of us there today. I did have a feeling of going for duty rather than expecting joy.

I get frustrated at the negativity on here. We were streets ahead in contested possession and the guys? efforts and endeavour were really high. It wasn?t an easy task to be ?up? after three frustrating losses where we so easily could have won? it was deflating, and with the bye in their sights and a lowly opponent that are improving, we could easily have dropped this one.

Whatever else is going on with skill errors and goalkicking, at least their grit and desire to win can?t be faulted. 72 inside 50s would be a shellacking usually. We looked great in patches but are really missing Ed and JJ giving us a point of difference though I thought Bailey Dale played with a lot more energy and verve than the last few weeks.

Cody Weightman was worth going to see. I loved that he is already smiling when he brings a screamer down. And Jamarra is so close to being elite, his hands are so good, but how on earth has his kicking regressed. He is another one whose work rate was impressive, I don?t understand a comment here about him jogging lazily, I am impressed at how much leading he does and could not see any fault in his work rate.

[merantau]

We got the win on some very solid games from the usual suspects and one brilliant game from Cody. However, the usual suspects were responsible for a some of our missed set shots so that was disappointing.
I applaud Bont's game. He's obviously injured but his efforts today to break a determined tagger were truly heroic.

Treloar is a quality player who has the gift of being able to create space for himself when there doesn't seem to be any to be had.

Libba was his usual in and under contested beast. Bailey Dale and Caleb Daniel were very solid and used the ball well.

Jamarra is moving well, marking well too, but kicking poorly for goal.

Considering the injuries it was a reasonable performance in a danger game as North were desperate for a win.

[SonofScray]

That?s a good summary. Sadly there weren?t many of us there today. I did have a feeling of going for duty rather than expecting joy.

I get frustrated at the negativity on here. We were streets ahead in contested possession and the guys? efforts and endeavour were really high. It wasn?t an easy task to be ?up? after three frustrating losses where we so easily could have won? it was deflating, and with the bye in their sights and a lowly opponent that are improving, we could easily have dropped this one.

Whatever else is going on with skill errors and goalkicking, at least their grit and desire to win can?t be faulted. 72 inside 50s would be a shellacking usually. We looked great in patches but are really missing Ed and JJ giving us a point of difference though I thought Bailey Dale played with a lot more energy and verve than the last few weeks.

Cody Weightman was worth going to see. I loved that he is already smiling when he brings a screamer down. And Jamarra is so close to being elite, his hands are so good, but how on earth has his kicking regressed. He is another one whose work rate was impressive, I don?t understand a comment here about him jogging lazily, I am impressed at how much leading he does and could not see any fault in his work rate.

For whatever frustrations I have with this iteration of our men?s team, it?s rarely ever been about effort, or talent. They are capable. They care. Historically for me, when things are bad, I?ve been critical of effort and passion and all that stuff. That?s not what is missing here (though I do think we?ve been outworked at times).

I think we do struggle with the mentality required to consistently bring a physically robust game to the contest, it doesn?t come naturally to many of our boys. Bont has really made an effort to bring it out in his game, he really has lifted in that respect. West, for his other foibles, certainly has it as a default setting. Naughty has it. Marra has it too.

I?ll probably keep agitating for change, but even when it?s a chore getting to the footy, you can hang your hat on a goal like Cody?s and the reaction from Gentleman John leaning on the fence.

[angelopetraglia]

To put tonight's inside 50m count into perspective. When we beat them by 128 points in 2021 the inside 50m count was 64-33. Tonight it was 72-36.

Two things.

1) We destroyed them tonight in most facets of the game.

2) We are a far less efficient team compared to the 2021 version. That afternoon in 2021, Bruce did kick 10.2 that helped and we kicked 25.17 that is a lot better than 15.15. Tonight we scored from 42% of entries. In 2021 we scored from 66% of entries.

(We had 15 players who played in 2021 play tonight.)

[angelopetraglia]

I?ll probably keep agitating for change, but even when it?s a chore getting to the footy, you can hang your hat on a goal like Cody?s and the reaction from Gentleman John leaning on the fence.

Yes. Agree. It was worth attending just for the Cody show tonight. Hangers, goals from the boundary, bombs from long range. His game had everything.

[The bulldog tragician]

To put tonight's inside 50m count into perspective. When we beat them by 128 points in 2021 the inside 50m count was 64-33. Tonight it was 72-36.

Two things.

1) We destroyed them tonight in most facets of the game.

2) We are a far less efficient team compared to the 2021 version. That afternoon in 2021, Bruce did kick 10.2 that helped and we kicked 25.17 that is a lot better than 15.15. Tonight we scored from 42% of entries. In 2021 we scored from 66% if entries.

(We had 15 players who played in 2021 play tonight.)

Wow. That is so telling. It must be exhausting, playing our way. I feared at quarter time today that the lack of reward for effort might see us so discouraged that we would begin to drop off and Nth would get their tails up. Whatever Bevo’s foibles, it is good that the effort - which must also reflect a fair degree of self belief - has not flagged.

[Bigdog]

Lobb looked so much better when Naughton went back. Thought he had a very solid second half and presented well when space opened up.

[Bigdog]

We did a lot right tonight. It was a game we completely dominated outside of our defensive transition.

Still disappointed we didn’t win by more as the stats had the hallmark of 80-100 point win.

[G-Mo77]

What has happened to Baker? He was so impressive early on and has fallen away a lot. Seemed to play in defence a bit yesterday, not sure if that was planned or due to injuries.

[jeemak]

What has happened to Baker? He was so impressive early on and has fallen away a lot. Seemed to play in defence a bit yesterday, not sure if that was planned or due to injuries.

He's a player whose confidence seems to really impact his output. Especially with ball handling/ first touch.

[bornadog]

Hello Fox Footy you gooses. One of the greatest Ruckman ever in the AFL and you don't know him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy5IuaoagAA0B7M?format=jpg&name=large

[EasternWest]

Hello Fox Footy you gooses. One of the greatest Ruckman ever in the AFL and you don't know him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy5IuaoagAA0B7M?format=jpg&name=large

https://i.postimg.cc/KvZWM4Mt/images-35.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Bit harsh BAD, John hasn't been seen in public since he retired.

Wait

[angelopetraglia]

AFL Coaches Votes

9 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
9 Cody Weightman (WB)
3 Tom Liberatore (WB)
3 Adam Treloar (WB)
3 Tim English (WB)
2 Tarryn Thomas (NMFC)
1 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)

[angelopetraglia]

So the coaches also could not agree on BOG.

So it has gone something like this. You could substitute the Treloar 2 & 1 for either Tim or Libba.

Coach A

5 Bont
4 Cody
3 Libba
2 Thomas
1 Treloar

Coach B

5 Cody
4 Bont
3 English
2 Treloar
1 Sheezel

[jazzadogs]

AFL Coaches Votes

9 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
9 Cody Weightman (WB)
3 Tom Liberatore (WB)
3 Adam Treloar (WB)
3 Tim English (WB)
2 Tarryn Thomas (NMFC)
1 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)

Hold on, somebody thought Tarryn Thomas was the fourth best player on the ground? Ya joking.

[angelopetraglia]

Hold on, somebody thought Tarryn Thomas was the fourth best player on the ground? Ya joking.

He did a few nice things. But it is a stretch. His stats.

24 touches
1 tackle
467 metres gained
7 contested possessions
3 total clearances

[jazzadogs]

He did a few nice things. But it is a stretch. His stats.

24 touches
1 tackle
467 metres gained
7 contested possessions
3 total clearances

He was directly opposed to Weightman for at least two of his goals, and very possibly the two where he was left unopposed as well.

We absolutely dominated the match. The top 5 players on the ground were Bulldogs players.

[jeemak]

I thought Thomas was excellent and had a real impact for them.

Also thought Bont was BOG, just.

[bornadog]

He was directly opposed to Weightman for at least two of his goals, and very possibly the two where he was left unopposed as well.

We absolutely dominated the match. The top 5 players on the ground were Bulldogs players.

We did dominate. We had 72 inside 50s, I believe a record for the club.

[SonofScray]

Hold on, somebody thought Tarryn Thomas was the fourth best player on the ground? Ya joking.

Crowd was generous with him too.

[mjp]

Also thought Bont was BOG, just.

If Weightman wasn't BOG then he could NEVER be BOG.

6x goals from a small forward? Next best is 3? What's he actually got to do?

I get that Bont was amazing but mids do have 35 and kick a couple every couple of weeks...small forward kicking 6? Three times per year max. Hell - these days ANY forward kicking 6 only happens half-a-dozen times in a year.

[jeemak]

If Weightman wasn't BOG then he could NEVER be BOG.

6x goals from a small forward? Next best is 3? What's he actually got to do?

I get that Bont was amazing but mids do have 35 and kick a couple every couple of weeks...small forward kicking 6? Three times per year max. Hell - these days ANY forward kicking 6 only happens half-a-dozen times in a year.

Go back to picking on EW please.

Cody's game was outstanding and I appreciate he's playing a ridiculously difficult role. Just thought that Bont with three and his presence around the ball had the bigger impact.

[Bulldog Joe]

If Weightman wasn't BOG then he could NEVER be BOG.

6x goals from a small forward? Next best is 3? What's he actually got to do?

I get that Bont was amazing but mids do have 35 and kick a couple every couple of weeks...small forward kicking 6? Three times per year max. Hell - these days ANY forward kicking 6 only happens half-a-dozen times in a year.

I don't often disagree with you but being BOG is also about how every one else performs.

What player ever gets 32 with 18 contested, 8 clearances, 11 tackles and 3 goals and 14 score involvements and isn't BOG.

Cody was fantastic but Bont was sublime. Both had games that justified BOG status.

[mjp]

I don't often disagree with you but being BOG is also about how every one else performs.

What player ever gets 32 with 18 contested, 8 clearances, 11 tackles and 3 goals and 14 score involvements and isn't BOG.

Cody was fantastic but Bont was sublime. Both had games that justified BOG status.

Bont had a great game. But if you look at his numbers, last week alone Josh Kelly did the same thing for the Giants, Errol Gulden went close for the Swans, you could argue Taranto did MORE playing for the Giants and Cripps did it for the Blues.

No other small forward kicked 6 or even went close.

You have to take the role into account. Bont was sublime but there are performances like that each and every week. Cody's was a once / twice per year type game...BOG and actually not that close.

[jazzadogs]

Bont had a great game. But if you look at his numbers, last week alone Josh Kelly did the same thing for the Giants, Errol Gulden went close for the Swans, you could argue Taranto did MORE playing for the Giants and Cripps did it for the Blues.

No other small forward kicked 6 or even went close.

You have to take the role into account. Bont was sublime but there are performances like that each and every week. Cody's was a once / twice per year type game...BOG and actually not that close.

Players with 30+ disposals, 10+ tackles and 3+ goals in a game
Jimmy Bartel
Gary Ablett jnr (x3)
Scott Pendlebury
Luke Parker
Patrick Dangerfield (x2)
Dayne Zorko (x2)
MARCUS BONTEMPELLI

He's literally only the 7th player in recorded history to have that stat line.

Why should their role determine who was best? Bont had the largest impact on the result in my opinion, and his fantastic game is being reduced because he's a mid, while Cody gets elevated because he's a tall-small forward. That doesn't make sense to me.

(Fun to argue about something so meaningless btw)

[mjp]

Players with 30+ disposals, 10+ tackles and 3+ goals in a game
Jimmy Bartel
Gary Ablett jnr (x3)
Scott Pendlebury
Luke Parker
Patrick Dangerfield (x2)
Dayne Zorko (x2)
MARCUS BONTEMPELLI

He's literally only the 7th player in recorded history to have that stat line.

Why should their role determine who was best? Bont had the largest impact on the result in my opinion, and his fantastic game is being reduced because he's a mid, while Cody gets elevated because he's a tall-small forward. That doesn't make sense to me.

(Fun to argue about something so meaningless btw)

Interesting that they're all modern day players.

If it was 1980 and it never happened, I'd be with you...

[Mantis]

Interesting that they're all modern day players.

If it was 1980 and it never happened, I'd be with you...

Probably because tackle numbers weren't tracked until 1994 and only became an official stat in 2001.

[bornadog]

Probably because tackle numbers weren't tracked until 1994 and only became an official stat in 2001.

Tackling has also gone through the roof compared to the old days. Players are faster now and apply much more pressure than in the past.

[chef]

Tackling has also gone through the roof compared to the old days. Players are faster now and apply much more pressure than in the past.

Players are fitter so run more and get to more contests.

[mjp]

Players are fitter so run more and get to more contests.

Ummm. What gets measured gets managed.

Player tackles are now measured hence they are a lot more eager to lay them! Out of form? Lay some tackles - your effort will impress the coaches and you'll hold for at least ONE more week. PLUS it might actually get you going...

[jeemak]

How many times has a small to medium forward kicked six goals or more in the same period?

[bornadog]

How many times has a small to medium forward kicked six goals or more in the same period?

An interesting chart - at 50 games



PLAYER
GOALS
4+ GOAL GAMES
3+ GOAL GAMES


STEPHEN MILNE (STK)
100
9
16


LUKE BREUST (HAW)
90
4
13


CODY WEIGHTMAN (WB)
84
6
11


JEFF FARMER (MEL)
81
5
13


STEVE JOHNSON (GEE)
75
5
8


TOM PAPLEY (SYD)
67
1
7


JAMIE ELLIOTT (COLL)
67
4
11


IZAK RANKINE (GC/ADE)
61
3
8


CHARLIE CAMERON (ADE)
60
2
4


CYRIL RIOLI (HAW)
52
2
5


EDDIE BETTS (CARL)
51
0
9


BAYLEY FRITSCH (MEL)
43
2
5

[Mantis]

How many times has a small to medium forward kicked six goals or more in the same period?

I went through the stats of the 4 most prolific small forwards over the past 30 years and here are the results:

Luke Breust - 4
Charlie Cameron - 3
Eddie Betts - 8
Stephen Milne - 5

[jeemak]

I went through the stats of the 4 most prolific small forwards over the past 30 years and here are the results:

Luke Breust - 4
Charlie Cameron - 3
Eddie Betts - 8
Stephen Milne - 5

So you're saying MJP's wrong?

Thanks for the follow up. Not exactly a regular occurrence.

[Grantysghost]

Ummm. What gets measured gets managed.

Player tackles are now measured hence they are a lot more eager to lay them! Out of form? Lay some tackles - your effort will impress the coaches and you'll hold for at least ONE more week. PLUS it might actually get you going...

My coach used to be all about contests per quarter.

Get to 5 contests per qtr for eg.

It worked for me.

[Axe Man]

I went through the stats of the 4 most prolific small forwards over the past 30 years and here are the results:

Luke Breust - 4
Charlie Cameron - 3
Eddie Betts - 8
Stephen Milne - 5

Surprisingly Toby Greene has only kicked 6 or more once - 7 against us last year.

Fritsch has done it 3 times, all in 2021, one of those in a game we don't talk about.

[EasternWest]

Fritsch has done it 3 times, all in 2021, one of those in a game we don't talk about.

Hell, one of us doesn't even remember.

[Grantysghost]

Hell, one of us doesn't even remember.

I remember I forgot.

[Mantis]

So you're saying MJP's wrong?

Thanks for the follow up. Not exactly a regular occurrence.

Given I only checked 4 players I'm sure there would be 10+ occurrences over the past 15-20 years.... Axe Man has found 4 more and I know Papley kicked 6 in a game earlier this year.

[mjp]

So you're saying MJP's wrong?

Thanks for the follow up. Not exactly a regular occurrence.

Well...based on the Bont numbers I can only be wrong if all those other players also had > 350m games and 7 or more marks - because we need to add stat categories to make the performance more 'important'.

I'm just going to ask when the last time a 'Dogs small forward kicked 6-goals might have been? I guess maybe Paul Hudson did it? Did Aker do it one day? Billy Kolyniuk? I don't remember Gia doing it...

6-goals from a small forward is generational in my Bulldogs watching life (I'm 51) and whilst Bont was great I do feel like I've seen that show before. I'm 100% on a few things. In 2023, if a forward kicks 5+ they are BOG. Goals are golden in this era.

[Rocco Jones]

Well...based on the Bont numbers I can only be wrong if all those other players also had > 350m games and 7 or more marks - because we need to add stat categories to make the performance more 'important'.

I'm just going to ask when the last time a 'Dogs small forward kicked 6-goals might have been? I guess maybe Paul Hudson did it? Did Aker do it one day? Billy Kolyniuk? I don't remember Gia doing it...

6-goals from a small forward is generational in my Bulldogs watching life (I'm 51) and whilst Bont was great I do feel like I've seen that show before. I'm 100% on a few things. In 2023, if a forward kicks 5+ they are BOG. Goals are golden in this era.

I had Cody as my BOG for basically same reasons as you. Really though, Bont and Cody were both amazing and well ahead of next best.

[jeemak]

Brad Johnson kicked eight in a game, Cody probably plays more like him than he does the other smalls (Gia kicked five).

I take the point and I don't think you're wrong, rather, you just have a different view and that's fine. I love what Cody did on the weekend, and thought Bont was only "just" better than him.

[hujsh]

Well...based on the Bont numbers I can only be wrong if all those other players also had > 350m games and 7 or more marks - because we need to add stat categories to make the performance more 'important'.

I'm just going to ask when the last time a 'Dogs small forward kicked 6-goals might have been? I guess maybe Paul Hudson did it? Did Aker do it one day? Billy Kolyniuk? I don't remember Gia doing it...

6-goals from a small forward is generational in my Bulldogs watching life (I'm 51) and whilst Bont was great I do feel like I've seen that show before. I'm 100% on a few things. In 2023, if a forward kicks 5+ they are BOG. Goals are golden in this era.

Johnson in 2007 kicked 8 in round 1. Dickson got 7 in 2015 and Stringer 6. I can't say for sure if anyone has done it since then

[hujsh]

FWIW it felt like Bont mainly played a half. A great half sure but Weightman to me felt ever present in the game and would be my bog on gut feel for how they impacted the game.

[Mantis]

Well...based on the Bont numbers I can only be wrong if all those other players also had > 350m games and 7 or more marks - because we need to add stat categories to make the performance more 'important'.

I'm just going to ask when the last time a 'Dogs small forward kicked 6-goals might have been? I guess maybe Paul Hudson did it? Did Aker do it one day? Billy Kolyniuk? I don't remember Gia doing it...

6-goals from a small forward is generational in my Bulldogs watching life (I'm 51) and whilst Bont was great I do feel like I've seen that show before. I'm 100% on a few things. In 2023, if a forward kicks 5+ they are BOG. Goals are golden in this era.

Only the 3rd time in his career that Bont has had 30+ disposals and kicked 3 goals.

In terms of small fowards kicking a bag, all of Garlick, Brown & Eagleton kicked 6+ goals in a game... Brown did it 6 times in fact.

[Sedat]

In terms of small fowards kicking a bag, all of Garlick, Brown & Eagleton kicked 6+ goals in a game... Brown did it 6 times in fact.
Peak Wallace "small forward rotation looking for a mis-match" era. I reckon Rohan Smith might have kicked a decent bag during that period as well?

[jeemak]

Peak Wallace "small forward rotation looking for a mis-match" era. I reckon Rohan Smith might have kicked a decent bag during that period as well?

His highest was five.

[Rocco Jones]

No real cheapies too with Flea's bag. 6 i50 marks. 3 in a game = elite.

[mjp]

Only the 3rd time in his career that Bont has had 30+ disposals and kicked 3 goals.

In terms of small fowards kicking a bag, all of Garlick, Brown & Eagleton kicked 6+ goals in a game... Brown did it 6 times in fact.

Nathan Brown was a helluva player. I'm quite frankly shocked to hear about Eagleton (a true winger) and Garlick (not really sure WHAT he was) doing this but it just re-emphasises my point...it's a different era. It's just different now and randoms like Simon Garlick aren't rolling out there and kicking bags of 6.

[Sedat]

Nathan Brown was a helluva player. I'm quite frankly shocked to hear about Eagleton (a true winger) and Garlick (not really sure WHAT he was) doing this but it just re-emphasises my point...it's a different era. It's just different now and randoms like Simon Garlick aren't rolling out there and kicking bags of 6.
Kudos to Terry Wallace really. He was years ahead of the curve in relation to smaller mids and isolating them as forward targets close to goal to create a mis-match against the opposition. It was by necessity because we couldn't rely on any of Loaf, Cooky, Saunders, Bandy, Trent Bartlett, Kingsley Hunter and other assorted key forwards for more than a few weeks during Plough's entire tenure.

The Garlick bag was in that famous game against Carlton at Optus Oval in 2000. We had our entire spine out injured so Plough isolated Garlick in F50 on Andrew McKay, who was well past his best. It was brilliant coaching. Eagleton kicked a bag of 7 (even though we lost narrowly from memory) when used deep forward in the same way.

Sometimes Plough would mix and match in game and completely befuddle the opposition. I remember going to a game against Adelaide at Docklands in 2000 where Plough ran rings around Gary Ayers in the coaches box - he rotated all of Brown, Johnson and Smith deep forward and they all got on the scoreboard and we won by 10 odd goals.

[Scorlibo]

Complete list of smalls kicking 6+ goals in the last 30 years. A rare feat indeed. The Johnson and N. Brown era was a different kettle of fish where those guys played as key targets. Cody is playing with 3 genuine talls in the forward line. Bont's game was also very rare. I gave Cody the votes in the WOOF player awards, but it's a close call.



Name
Round
Opponent
Year
Goals


Cody Weightman
14
North Melbourne
2023
6

kicked 6 against the Suns in 2017
Liam Picken
18
Gold Coast
2017
6


Stewart Crameri
18
Essendon
2015
7


Tory Dickson
7
Fremantle
2015
7


Jake Stringer
4
Adelaide
2015
6


Tory Dickson
21
Adelaide
2013
6


Lindsay Gilbee
8
Richmond
2011
6


Jarrad Grant
22
Essendon
2010
6


Jason Akermanis
11
St Kilda
2008
6


Brad Johnson
1
Geelong
2007
8


Brad Johnson
21
St Kilda
2006
6


Brad Johnson
12
Brisbane
2006
6


Matthew Robbins
22
Collingwood
2005
6


Robert Murphy
10
Essendon
2005
6


Nathan Brown
11
Eagles
2003
7


Nathan Brown
22
Collingwood
2002
6


Nathan Brown
18
Eagles
2002
7


Nathan Brown
17
North Melbourne
2002
6


Brad Johnson
9
Geelong
2002
6


Paul Hudson
4
Brisbane
2001
8


Simon Garlick
19
Carlton
2000
6


Nathan Brown
16
Adelaide
2000
6


Nathan Eagleton
13
Geelong
2000
7


Paul Hudson
11
Fremantle
2000
6


Nathan Brown
2
Geelong
1999
7


Jason Watts
9
Adelaide
1996
6


Jason Watts
3
Brisbane
1996
6

[bornadog]

Kudos to Terry Wallace really. He was years ahead of the curve in relation to smaller mids and isolating them as forward targets close to goal to create a mis-match against the opposition. It was by necessity because we couldn't rely on any of Loaf, Cooky, Saunders, Bandy, Trent Bartlett, Kingsley Hunter and other assorted key forwards for more than a few weeks during Plough's entire tenure.

The Garlick bag was in that famous game against Carlton at Optus Oval in 2000. We had our entire spine out injured so Plough isolated Garlick in F50 on Andrew McKay, who was well past his best. It was brilliant coaching. Eagleton kicked a bag of 7 (even though we lost narrowly from memory) when used deep forward in the same way.

Sometimes Plough would mix and match in game and completely befuddle the opposition. I remember going to a game against Adelaide at Docklands in 2000 where Plough ran rings around Gary Ayers in the coaches box - he rotated all of Brown, Johnson and Smith deep forward and they all got on the scoreboard and we won by 10 odd goals.

Pretty sure we won that one.

[Sedat]

Pretty sure we won that one.
You bet we did. Trent Bartlett dodgy free kick in the last couple of minutes sealed the deal.

[Mantis]

You bet we did. Trent Bartlett dodgy free kick in the last couple of minutes sealed the deal.

Bob's first game too... kicked a mongrel floater for a goal late in the piece as well.

[jeemak]

Complete list of smalls kicking 6+ goals in the last 30 years. A rare feat indeed. The Johnson and N. Brown era was a different kettle of fish where those guys played as key targets. Cody is playing with 3 genuine talls in the forward line. Bont's game was also very rare. I gave Cody the votes in the WOOF player awards, but it's a close call.



Name
Round
Opponent
Year
Goals


Cody Weightman
14
North Melbourne
2023
6

kicked 6 against the Suns in 2017
Liam Picken
18
Gold Coast
2017
6


Stewart Crameri
18
Essendon
2015
7


Tory Dickson
7
Fremantle
2015
7


Jake Stringer
4
Adelaide
2015
6


Tory Dickson
21
Adelaide
2013
6


Lindsay Gilbee
8
Richmond
2011
6


Jarrad Grant
22
Essendon
2010
6


Jason Akermanis
11
St Kilda
2008
6


Brad Johnson
1
Geelong
2007
8


Brad Johnson
21
St Kilda
2006
6


Brad Johnson
12
Brisbane
2006
6


Matthew Robbins
22
Collingwood
2005
6


Robert Murphy
10
Essendon
2005
6


Nathan Brown
11
Eagles
2003
7


Nathan Brown
22
Collingwood
2002
6


Nathan Brown
18
Eagles
2002
7


Nathan Brown
17
North Melbourne
2002
6


Brad Johnson
9
Geelong
2002
6


Paul Hudson
4
Brisbane
2001
8


Simon Garlick
19
Carlton
2000
6


Nathan Brown
16
Adelaide
2000
6


Nathan Eagleton
13
Geelong
2000
7


Paul Hudson
11
Fremantle
2000
6


Nathan Brown
2
Geelong
1999
7


Jason Watts
9
Adelaide
1996
6


Jason Watts
3
Brisbane
1996
6



Rare for us, though would be interested in seeing the numbers for the entire competition.

Thanks for posting, it's an excellent list!

[Sedat]

Bob's first game too... kicked a mongrel floater for a goal late in the piece as well.
I was right in front of Bob's dirty floater and Trent's dodgy free kick in the pocket of that shithouse Legends Stand. One of the very best H&A days at the footy - the Carlton faithful expressing their disgust with the 27-9 free kick count was especially enjoyable.

[bornadog]

I was right in front of Bob's dirty floater and Trent's dodgy free kick in the pocket of that shithouse Legends Stand. One of the very best H&A days at the footy - the Carlton faithful expressing their disgust with the 27-9 free kick count was especially enjoyable.

Loved it too. Terry also experimented with the Super flood and used it a couple of games later against Essendon.

Carlton supporters in my office were still spitting chips on Monday morning - calling the Club cheats :D

[D Mitchell]

Loved it too. Terry also experimented with the Super flood and used it a couple of games later against Essendon. :D

What a game. Terry Wallace is the most innovative coach our club has had, probably ever but certainly in my lifetime. Ange Postecoglu has a touch of Terry about him.

[Axe Man]

What a game. Terry Wallace is the most innovative coach our club has had, probably ever but certainly in my lifetime. Ange Postecoglu has a touch of Terry about him.

I've never seen Ange like this (thank goodness):
https://i.postimg.cc/cLWzpRBj/download.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[SonofScray]

Loved it too. Terry also experimented with the Super flood and used it a couple of games later against Essendon.

Carlton supporters in my office were still spitting chips on Monday morning - calling the Club cheats :D

Rolled out the super flood against Carlton, Essendon and then Hawthorn. Hawks managed it a bit better than the others, think we lost that one.

[EasternWest]

i've never seen ange like this (thank goodness):
https://i.postimg.cc/clwzprbj/download.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

sstw

[D Mitchell]

Postecoglou was a bit chunky during his playing days but still in good nick Terry Wallace was was in super good nick. During his coaching days, Wallace lost a lot of bulk, slimmed down. Fair enough, coaches don't need bulk. Ange's post playing weight regime went completely in the other direction.

[jazzadogs]

I don't think it's black and white who was BOG and respect the difference of opinion. They both had excellent games.

Cody's leading and finishing was superb, and the two he missed could have easily been goals as well.

Bont's clean pickups, miraculous handballs and great finishing edges him. It was only the third time in his career that he has had 30+ touches and kicked 3 goals.

The stat lines weren't to prove why he was best on, but rather to point out that it wasn't just your average midfielders game.

[bornadog]

I don't think it's black and white who was BOG and respect the difference of opinion. They both had excellent games.

Cody's leading and finishing was superb, and the two he missed could have easily been goals as well.

Bont's clean pickups, miraculous handballs and great finishing edges him. It was only the third time in his career that he has had 30+ touches and kicked 3 goals.

The stat lines weren't to prove why he was best on, but rather to point out that it wasn't just your average midfielders game.

Will be interesting come Brownlow night who got the 3 votes.

[hujsh]

Will be interesting come Brownlow night who got the 3 votes.

It's a midfielder's award. The three will go to Bont

[bulldogtragic]

It's a midfielder's award. The three will go to Bont

It’s boring as bat shit now. No one other than an accumulating kid will ever win it. So one dimensional now. Makes you wonder how guys like Grant & Wynd would ever get top 10 in a count now. Plugger lucky to be top 20. It’s becoming meaningless.

[Mantis]

It’s boring as bat shit now. No one other than an accumulating kid will ever win it. So one dimensional now. Makes you wonder how guys like Grant & Wynd would ever get top 10 in a count now. Plugger lucky to be top 20. It’s becoming meaningless.

Given Granty once got 3 Brownlow votes in a game in which he had stats as listed below I'm sure he'd find a way.

Kicks - 3
Marks - 1
Handballs - 7
Goals - 0
Points - 0
Tackles - 1
Hit outs - 3

[mjp]

The Garlick bag was in that famous game against Carlton at Optus Oval in 2000. We had our entire spine out injured so Plough isolated Garlick in F50 on Andrew McKay, who was well past his best. It was brilliant coaching. Eagleton kicked a bag of 7 (even though we lost narrowly from memory) when used deep forward in the same way.

Which is the funny part.

When was the last time you could actually isolate ANY forward inside 50.

[mjp]

I don't think it's black and white who was BOG and respect the difference of opinion. They both had excellent games.

Cody's leading and finishing was superb, and the two he missed could have easily been goals as well.

Bont's clean pickups, miraculous handballs and great finishing edges him. It was only the third time in his career that he has had 30+ touches and kicked 3 goals.

The stat lines weren't to prove why he was best on, but rather to point out that it wasn't just your average midfielders game.


I wasn't trying to run Bont down. And I get the 30+ and 3. But to me Taranto had 38/10 tackles/1x goal/6 clearances and is in the same ball-park. Kelly had 33/2 tackles/3 goals/8 clearances and is in the same ball-park. I can't remember who else I plucked out as the games were a week ago and I have forgotten.

Obviously it's an ELITE ball-park but we see similar performances from mids every weekend - often multiple times in a weekend. We simply DON'T see small forwards kicking 6 in a game. We don't. Even in the table that classifies Jake Stringer, Jarrad Grant, Jason Watts and Stu Cramerie as small forwards we haven't seen it since 2017. That's 6 full seasons ago.

Bont is and was amazing. Cody produced a genuine once in a career type game...I mean, let's hope not but let's also face reality - this isn't happening again. I just think we mark forwards (and in particular small forwards) on an impossibly hard scale.

[EasternWest]

Which is the funny part.

When was the last time you could actually isolate ANY forward inside 50.

In our forward line or any other team? Because those are two different things.

[Mantis]

I wasn't trying to run Bont down. And I get the 30+ and 3. But to me Taranto had 38/10 tackles/1x goal/6 clearances and is in the same ball-park. Kelly had 33/2 tackles/3 goals/8 clearances and is in the same ball-park. I can't remember who else I plucked out as the games were a week ago and I have forgotten.

Obviously it's an ELITE ball-park but we see similar performances from mids every weekend - often multiple times in a weekend. We simply DON'T see small forwards kicking 6 in a game. We don't. Even in the table that classifies Jake Stringer, Jarrad Grant, Jason Watts and Stu Cramerie as small forwards we haven't seen it since 2017. That's 6 full seasons ago.

Bont is and was amazing. Cody produced a genuine once in a career type game...I mean, let's hope not but let's also face reality - this isn't happening again. I just think we mark forwards (and in particular small forwards) on an impossibly hard scale.

Given in his first 40 games Cody had kicked 5 goals twice (one of those in a half before he disclocated his elbow) it isn't a stretch to suggest that Cody will have similar games in the future.

[mjp]

In our forward line or any other team? Because those are two different things.

In ANY forward line.

[EasternWest]

In ANY forward line.

Interesting.

Seems to me like one of our big issues is our backs often getting isolated one out with their opponents in space.

[ledge]

Which is the funny part.

When was the last time you could actually isolate ANY forward inside 50.

Hawkins and Cameron are experts at isolating . They run opposites sides of the ground or one goes leading and the other stays back . Never see them get in the way of each other . Which beggars belief why can’t we do it with three talls!

[GVGjr]

Given in his first 40 games Cody had kicked 5 goals twice (one of those in a half before he disclocated his elbow) it isn't a stretch to suggest that Cody will have similar games in the future.

I was listening to the ABC when I was at the game and from memory they said Cody had kicked at least 4 goals 5 times in his career and then 5 goals once. Now he has a 6 goal achievement. For a 50 games player that's a creditable effort but while the big marks are exciting to watch I do hope he can become a bit better at crumbing some goals given the tall forwards we have.

[Mantis]

I was listening to the ABC when I was at the game and from memory they said Cody had kicked at least 4 goals 5 times in his career and then 5 goals once. Now he has a 6 goal achievement. For a 50 games player that's a creditable effort but while the big marks are exciting to watch I do hope he can become a bit better at crumbing some goals given the tall forwards we have.

He has kicked 5 twice, against North & GWS last year.. he had the 5 against GWS before he had the elbow injury, came back on but don't think he touched it in the 2nd half.

He has kicked 4 goals on 3 occasions.

Don't trust the ABC.. or maybe your memory!

[1eyedog]

In ANY forward line.

Which players get 30+ 3 goals and 10 tackles each week? Kelly hasn't kicked more than 2 goals in any game this year.

I can't find a heap of players who have kicked 3 and had 30+ and 10 tackles. Taranto and Bont are the only ones. Daicos has a 3 goal 30 possession game this year but only registered 1 tackle and Cripps has a 4 tackle, 27 possession, 3 goal game. Brayshaw would be the closest with 35 posessions, 2 goals and 8 tackles. Petraca has a 3 goal 30 possession game aginst North but only 3 tackles. Butters has a massive 40 possession 2 goal game as well and 6 tackles.

Cameron, Weightman and Papley have kicked 6 this season and Higgins and Langford have kicked 5 something as well. There's been another 5 goal game this season from a small forward but I can't remember (Rankine?).

So three small forwards with 6 goals and two midfielders with 30+ posessions, 3 goals and 10 tackles. I'm sure the other players (Brayshaw / Cripps / Trac) were elite in other areas but I'm just judging them against Bont's numbers. Bont probably did as well i.e. contest possessions / clearances etc.

If we're going to compare midfielders who have 30 possessions / 3 goals and 10 tackles with mids with lesser numbers (Kelly with 2 goals and 2 tackles and all other mids I looked at), we may as well include all the small forwards who have kicked 5 or even 4 goals as well (Higgins 5, Langford 5). .

I'm not running Cody down either it was a massive effort but 6 goal games from small / medium forwards appear to occur as regulalry as 30 possession, 3 goal, 10 tackle games.

[Grantysghost]

They were both amazeballs.

[Axe Man]

Let's give Bont and Cody 2.5 votes each and call it a day. :D

[mjp]

Which players get 30+ 3 goals and 10 tackles each week? Kelly hasn't kicked more than 2 goals in any game this year.

Ummm. Kelly kicked 3 last week against Freo...so I'm not sure where you got that info.



I can't find a heap of players who have kicked 3 and had 30+ and 10 tackles. Taranto and Bont are the only ones. Daicos has a 3 goal 30 possession game this year but only registered 1 tackle and Cripps has a 4 tackle, 27 possession, 3 goal game. Brayshaw would be the closest with 35 posessions, 2 goals and 8 tackles. Petraca has a 3 goal 30 possession game aginst North but only 3 tackles. Butters has a massive 40 possession 2 goal game as well and 6 tackles.
And this is what I'm saying. We are treating Bont's game as 'better' than the average bear by stacking stats together. We are giving Cody ONE thing to hang his hat on - goals. But Bont get's touches and goals and tackles...It just makes it a little more 'unique' but you could equally say "what other small forward had 3x marks inside 50m, 350m gained and 6-goals"...to me adding the tackles etc helps paint a picture but is what Kelly did (38 + 3 goals with 2x tackles) really much different to what Bont did. I mean Kelly had 500+ m gained and Bont just 400...does that make up for tackles?



Cameron, Weightman and Papley have kicked 6 this season and Higgins and Langford have kicked 5 something as well. There's been another 5 goal game this season from a small forward but I can't remember (Rankine?).

So three small forwards with 6 goals and two midfielders with 30+ posessions, 3 goals and 10 tackles. I'm sure the other players (Brayshaw / Cripps / Trac) were elite in other areas but I'm just judging them against Bont's numbers. Bont probably did as well i.e. contest possessions / clearances etc.


I'm actually happy with the Papley comparison and say 'fair enough, good example' but Langford kicked his as a FF and Cameron does not occupy the same spot as Weightman.



If we're going to compare midfielders who have 30 possessions / 3 goals and 10 tackles with mids with lesser numbers (Kelly with 2 goals and 2 tackles and all other mids I looked at), we may as well include all the small forwards who have kicked 5 or even 4 goals as well (Higgins 5, Langford 5). .

I'm not running Cody down either it was a massive effort but 6 goal games from small / medium forwards appear to occur as regulalry as 30 possession, 3 goal, 10 tackle games.

Again - it's 'cos we're stacking the stats to make it more unique. You could add to Bont's numbers that he had 8 clearances and might get it to the point where he's the first player EVER to do it...but as you noted earlier in your comments about Brayshaw and Cripps (you got fined $2 for using the term 'TRAC') they were probably 'elite' in other areas...

And if you think that there's not much difference between 4 goals, 5-goals and 6-goals...well...there is A LOT of difference. A LOT. That's why people don't often kick 6 and in 2023 they basically NEVER do it.

Bont was great. I'm not saying he wasn't.

[bornadog]

He has kicked 5 twice, against North & GWS last year.. he had the 5 against GWS before he had the elbow injury, came back on but don't think he touched it in the 2nd half.

He has kicked 4 goals on 3 occasions.

Don't trust the ABC.. or maybe your memory!

I posted a table earlier in the thread


An interesting chart - at 50 games



PLAYER
GOALS
4+ GOAL GAMES
3+ GOAL GAMES


STEPHEN MILNE (STK)
100
9
16


LUKE BREUST (HAW)
90
4
13


CODY WEIGHTMAN (WB)
84
6
11


JEFF FARMER (MEL)
81
5
13


STEVE JOHNSON (GEE)
75
5
8


TOM PAPLEY (SYD)
67
1
7


JAMIE ELLIOTT (COLL)
67
4
11


IZAK RANKINE (GC/ADE)
61
3
8


CHARLIE CAMERON (ADE)
60
2
4


CYRIL RIOLI (HAW)
52
2
5


EDDIE BETTS (CARL)
51
0
9


BAYLEY FRITSCH (MEL)
43
2
5

[1eyedog]

Ummm. Kelly kicked 3 last week against Freo...so I'm not sure where you got that info.


And this is what I'm saying. We are treating Bont's game as 'better' than the average bear by stacking stats together. We are giving Cody ONE thing to hang his hat on - goals. But Bont get's touches and goals and tackles...It just makes it a little more 'unique' but you could equally say "what other small forward had 3x marks inside 50m, 350m gained and 6-goals"...to me adding the tackles etc helps paint a picture but is what Kelly did (38 + 3 goals with 2x tackles) really much different to what Bont did. I mean Kelly had 500+ m gained and Bont just 400...does that make up for tackles?



I'm actually happy with the Papley comparison and say 'fair enough, good example' but Langford kicked his as a FF and Cameron does not occupy the same spot as Weightman.



Again - it's 'cos we're stacking the stats to make it more unique. You could add to Bont's numbers that he had 8 clearances and might get it to the point where he's the first player EVER to do it...but as you noted earlier in your comments about Brayshaw and Cripps (you got fined $2 for using the term 'TRAC') they were probably 'elite' in other areas...

And if you think that there's not much difference between 4 goals, 5-goals and 6-goals...well...there is A LOT of difference. A LOT. That's why people don't often kick 6 and in 2023 they basically NEVER do it.

Bont was great. I'm not saying he wasn't.

Sorry thought you meant Tim Kelly. Wrong Kelly. Still only had 2 tackles but that's the type of player he is.

There's a big difference between 5 and 6 goals I agree but it does really depend on how you get them to a degree and Cody was handed at least two of them. Still, you can only do what you can do and 6 goals is 6 goals.

[angelopetraglia]

In the two prior games where Weightman had kicked 5 goals. He didn't get a Brownlow vote. (In one of those Bont, got a vote for an 18 possession three goal game).

[Mantis]

I posted a table earlier in the thread

And?

The table is nice, but holds no value to the discussion being held so not sure why I need to be directed towards it.