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BornInDroopSt'54
23-07-2023, 06:30 PM
Collingwood have done it again, the unwashed lunatic fringe.
Club handling it well but...!
These parasites that identify as Pies and project their criminal prejudices against the indigenous are uneducated white trash at their worst as in "To Kill a Mockingbird".
They are full of themselves and use the club's strength like cowards to abuse umpires, opposition, the indigenous and their own players like true cowards.

Joke:
What do Collingwood supporters use for protection during sex?




A bus shelter.

jeemak
23-07-2023, 07:37 PM
One of the things that needs to happen to bring them into the last century is to put a line through the derogatory classism other club supporters project onto them.

It's by no means an excuse for racist behaviour, though the trope is tired and if you want people to be better you have to treat them accordingly.

jeemak
23-07-2023, 08:01 PM
That's not meant to be preachy at you BIDS, by the way.

EasternWest
23-07-2023, 08:20 PM
That's not meant to be preachy at you BIDS, by the way.

BIDS take this guy to the nets.

jeemak
23-07-2023, 08:28 PM
I might just set up shop with a portable hut and generator there. It's about to be peak jeemak bashing season soon.

Dry Rot
23-07-2023, 10:15 PM
I wonder what the Pies indigenous players think of this?

bornadog
30-07-2024, 03:51 PM
From the HUN. I don't have access but start of story:


Collingwood CEO in bombshell new racism scandal

Collingwood's chief executive Craig Kelly has been accused of joking about putting a live possum in a special room for Indigenous players and sending a Jewish colleague a “free Palestine” email

Axe Man
30-07-2024, 04:02 PM
Collingwood CEO in bombshell new racism scandal (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/collingwood-ceo-in-bombshell-new-racism-scandal/news-story/8c4eb2e5fbd59d485b83e0de7fdc72f7)

Collingwood?s chief executive Craig Kelly has been accused of joking about putting a live possum in a special room for Indigenous players and sending a Jewish colleague a ?free Palestine? photo.

Collingwood is facing a fresh racism scandal, with chief executive Craig Kelly accused of joking about putting a ?live f***ing possum? in a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal elder a ?dumb old bitch?.

In explosive court documents, Mr Kelly is accused of a series of racial slurs and physical assaults by the club?s former head of First Nations strategy Mark Cleaver, a ?Palawa person? who was engaged by the Magpies in the wake of the 2021 ?Do Better? crisis.

The documents were filed with the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia on Monday.

In addition to the accusations of Indigenous slurs, Mr Cleaver claimed that Mr Kelly also joked about sending a photograph of a ?Free Palestine? sign to a Jewish colleague to wind her up.

According to the documents, on February 6, 2024, Mr Kelly and Mr Cleaver met with community, foundation and facilities executive general manager Kerrie Brewer in her office about Collingwood?s community strategy.

During the meeting the need for a ?cultural room? was raised, it is alleged in the documents. ?We need to get this cultural room launched, (Collingwood president) Jeff (Browne) has been on my arse about it,? Mr Kelly is alleged to have said.

Mr Cleaver told him: ?The next step is to go through all the cultural artefacts, with Leon Davis to decide what goes in the room.?

The documents then assert: ?Mr Kelly picked up a marngrook (a ball made of possum hair used by Indigenous peoples in Victoria) that was on the desk and said ?I don?t give a f*** what you put in there, put this shit in there? and forcefully threw the marngrook at Mr Cleaver.

?The marngrook hit Mr Cleaver, which humiliated them and caused them pain because of the paresthesia caused by their multiple sclerosis.

?Mr Kelly continued talking and said ?I don?t give a f*** if you put a live f***ing possum in there, just get Jeff and (Indigenous vice-president) Jodie (Sizer) off my arse?.

Ms Brewer is alleged to have responded by saying: ?Great one, Ned (Kelly), that?s not culturally safe.?

The documents state that Mr Kelly then ?laughed?, prompting Ms Brewer to comment ?not appropriate?.

Mr Kelly is alleged to have then said: ?I know it?s inappropriate.?

They also detail how Collingwood met with Indigenous support group Dardi Munwurro on March 18, with the organisation claiming it had not been paid $500,000 promised from CGU sponsorship funds after the ?Do Better? racism scandal.

After Mr Kelly said he really cared ?about our Indigenous people?, documents assert Indigenous elder Aunty Carol Thorpe said ?you don?t say ?our?, we don?t belong to you?.

As they drove from the meeting in Mr Kelly?s car, the documents allege that the club chief asked: ?Who was that old bird??

After Mr Cleaver told him it was ?Aunty Carol? ? the wife of Dardi Munwurro chief Alan Thorpe ? the complainant claimed: ?Mr Kelly laughed and said ?That dumb old bitch was really angry but I got her to come around?.?

?As they drove back to Collingwood?s office ? a free Palestine sign was painted on a building. Mr Kelly said ?quick take a photo of that, send it to Galit and watch her go off?,? the documents allege.

Mr Kelly was referring to Galit Yaary, who is Collingwood?s executive general manager for people and culture and is Jewish.

It is further alleged in the documents: ?About halfway back to the office, on or about High Street or Hoddle Street ? an Asian lady was walking across the road nearing the middle of the road. Mr Kelly swerved the car so it passed close by her, yelled ?statistic? and laughed.?

In another exchange in his car on March 18, Mr Kelly is alleged to have said to Mr Cleaver: ?Why do you need to use google maps? I assume your people can navigate with their eyes closed.?

Earlier during that trip, Mr Cleaver ? who documents detail identifies as non-binary and gay ? alleges Mr Kelly told him ?we are taking my car; it?s a real man?s car?.

When Mr Cleaver joked they thought Mr Kelly ?flew by helicopter?, the club chief allegedly hit back saying ?dickhead? and ?jabbed? them ?forcefully in the shoulder? causing them ?to fall backwards?.

The documents were filed as part of an application against Mr Cleaver?s dismissal, seeking compensation for ?hurt, humiliation and distress and economic loss?.

They also reveal Mr Cleaver made a statement to Victoria Police over Mr Kelly?s ?physical assaults? on April 20.

Mr Cleaver earlier complained to club bosses, who raised the allegations with Mr Kelly on March 26, according to the court documents.

The next day, Mr Kelly and Mr Cleaver met in the corridor to the cafe.

?Mr Kelly said ?how are you going Mark?? and grabbed the applicant?s hand (and) forcefully squeezed it. The tight forceful grip caused Mr Cleaver significant pain because of his paresthesia,? the documents claim.

?Mr Kelly said ?going to the caf? to get hot cross buns, are you?? Mr Cleaver said ?maybe later, I?ve got work to do? and struggled to extricate his hand from Mr Kelly?s hand. After Mr Kelly left, Mr Cleaver got an icy pole from the fridge to use as an icepack to reduce the pain in his hand.?

On April 24, Mr Cleaver was told to work from home then was informed two days later, during a three-hour meeting with the club, that the complaints were not proven.

The live possum comment was ?not substantiated?, it was found Mr Kelly ?tossed? the marngrook to Mr Cleaver, and comments about Mr Cleaver?s disability were ?acknowledged but not deemed ableist or racist?.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting any of the claims are true, only that they have been made in documents before the court.

Mr Cleaver was suspended on full pay on May 1 after receiving a letter from Mr Browne ?setting out allegations against Cleaver?.

On May 6, Mr Cleaver?s employment was terminated, hours after Maurice Blackburn lawyers wrote to the club saying it had been hired to represent the ex-strategist, who also claims to have made a complaint to the AFL integrity unit on March 25.

Maurice Blackburn principal Daniel Victory: ?The allegations in this case call into question whether the Collingwood Football Club has learned anything from its multiple self-inflicted racism scandals.

?We are entitled to expect more from a Club that has promised to do better. The conduct alleged in this case has no place in society or any sporting club and especially not in a league that holds itself out as an agent for social change.

?Football fans have a right to feel let down once again by the Collingwood Football Club. The AFL should consider penalising premiership points from clubs if allegations like this are proven.?

The case is listed for a court hearing on August 27.

Mr Cleaver was employed by the club in November 2023 as part of a series of commitments after the ?Do Better? scandal and resignation of long-time president Eddie McGuire.

?Do Better? was a secret report which found there was ?systemic racism within the Collingwood Football Club that must be addressed if things are to change?.

The damning 35-page independent report, which was kept under wraps by McGuire?s board, said the club?s response to repeated incidents of racism ?has been at best ineffective, or at worst exacerbated the impact?.

bornadog
30-07-2024, 04:07 PM
Thanks Axeman

I just can't fathom what is wrong with some people.

angelopetraglia
30-07-2024, 05:02 PM
mmmm this is not looking good for Craig Kelly, hires someone in a role and then is bascially rubbishing everything they stand for. Crazy behaviour for anyone, let alone a CEO!!!!!!!!!!! It is actually unfathomable (If the allegations are true). You can understand how people can get some of this wrong when they are ignorant or uneducated, but for the CEO who is responsible for hiring Mark and then the club is also promoting him and the club's agenda on inclusivity on their website to go on these rants ... I don't know how his position is tenable. It highlights that everything they are doing is just a charade to please the outside world, but it won't actually change the club environment.

Here is the alleged victim on the Collingwood website. This video was posted five weeks after he started https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/1474365/international-day-of-people-with-a-disability-staff-spotlight?videoId=1474365&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1701823344001

Mark Cleaver identifies as 'queer, disabled and Indigenous' and started at Collingwood in November 2023.

Photo of Mark below.

https://www.rmit.edu.au/content/dam/rmit/au/en/students/images/news/2022/may/mark-cleaver-1220x732.jpg

Testekill
30-07-2024, 05:05 PM
Reset the Collingwood Racism Scandal counter!

angelopetraglia
30-07-2024, 07:21 PM
Mitch Cleary

Collingwood says it will defend allegations of racism and workplace bullying levelled against CEO Craig Kelly that were lodged with the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia yesterday.

angelopetraglia
30-07-2024, 07:25 PM
Club statement https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/1614790/collingwood-statement

jeemak
30-07-2024, 09:20 PM
Is this the simulation going wild again? Too staggering.

comrade
31-07-2024, 01:26 AM
Kelly sounds like he's guilty of being a massive arsehole. Is that something the Family Court of Australia prosecutes?

jeemak
31-07-2024, 01:39 AM
Kelly sounds like he's guilty of being a massive arsehole. Is that something the Family Court of Australia prosecutes?

It really does sound like ignance......

Sedat
31-07-2024, 10:46 AM
Not yet proven allegations from one person only at this stage. If the Hawthorn saga should have taught us one thing, best to let the allegations be examined and evaluated soberly through the correct channels before taking a definitive position. We aren't some tinpot communist dictatorship.

Interesting that the police did not pursue further action when they were approached by the ex employee with the complaints.

jeemak
31-07-2024, 12:09 PM
Not yet proven allegations from one person only at this stage. If the Hawthorn saga should have taught us one thing, best to let the allegations be examined and evaluated soberly through the correct channels before taking a definitive position. We aren't some tinpot communist dictatorship.

Interesting that the police did not pursue further action when they were approached by the ex employee with the complaints.

Is that what the Hawthorn saga taught you? I can't recall at any point where those allegations were examined soberly through the correct channels to date, or is that what you're saying?

D Mitchell
31-07-2024, 01:03 PM
Is that what the Hawthorn saga taught you? I can't recall at any point where those allegations were examined soberly through the correct channels to date, or is that what you're saying?

(a) HFC internal investigation;
(b) HRC including Mediations;
(c) Appeal to Federal Court, Statement of Claim filed.

There may have been other structured processes.

If all you have is what's reported in the media, it's all been in camera, it's foolish to assume a definitive position whilst those processes are ongoing.

GVGjr
31-07-2024, 02:14 PM
Serious allegations but Collingwood will mount a ferocious defense of Kelly.

comrade
31-07-2024, 02:34 PM
The dickhead boys club hiring the wokest of woke was always going to end in disaster.

angelopetraglia
31-07-2024, 02:41 PM
The dickhead boys club hiring the wokest of woke was always going to end in disaster.

Not if you listen to Darcy Moore. Massive misalignment with what he says and what they do.

Sedat
31-07-2024, 03:37 PM
Is that what the Hawthorn saga taught you? I can't recall at any point where those allegations were examined soberly through the correct channels to date, or is that what you're saying?
Yep, I haven't formed an opinion one way or the other in relation to the Hawthorn saga, until such time as the courts have examined all the evidence (which is now happening).

I am taking the same approach with these Collingwood allegations.

SquirrelGrip
31-07-2024, 06:44 PM
Not if you listen to Darcy Moore. Massive misalignment with what he says and what they do.

Yes would be interested in the skipper’s views on this …