Dogs need review of their whole footy department

[GVGjr]

Dogs need review of their whole footy department (https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/robbo-dogs-need-review-of-their-whole-footy-department-including-chris-grant/news-story/def2615d4e5aed85b4ab2c38938ab095)

Missing out on finals should demand action at Western Bulldogs, writes MARK ROBINSON. But there's one "poppycock" excuse for the top-eight failure Robbo won't stomach.

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The unwavering support for Luke Beveridge cannot stop a full-blown review of a season that ended with a whimper and disappointment.

The Bulldogs have problems and a review will determine the extent of them, however monumental or minuscule they are.

But problems they are.

On field, the Bulldogs don't even tease anymore. They are flash without substance. A team which had top four hopes and nothing to show for it. The list needs work.

The off-field component also needs examination and how deep that runs is up to the Bulldogs.

But the review has to look at all aspects of the footy department, including head of football and club icon Chris Grant, the coaching set up and recruiting.

The simple ? and likely ? solution is to have Grant review the footy and chief executive Ameet Bains to review Grant.

The other solution is to bring in an external person, say a Jason Dunstall or Geoff Walsh, to review Grant, talk to the players and staff, and then report to Bains.

It's not an emergency or crisis move, it's a move to help identify any problems with the environment, reporting practices and player concerns that otherwise remain subdued.

It's not about blowing up the club, it's about improving the club.

And there's no shame in employing fresh eyes.

The person could look and listen. Speak to the captain, speak to the experienced Liam Jones about his expectation versus reality and speak to outgoing assistants Rohan Smith and Marc Webb.

Even speak to those who previously wanted out of the club and about why.

If they'd care to share, have meetings with assistant coaches who departed in recent years, like Ash Hansen, Joel Corey, Stephen King and Jordan Russell.

It's not a witch hunt. It's an exploration. Why did they leave? Was it because of Beveridge or even Grant, or is it less sinister than that?

Also, learn why Lachie Hunter left, and Zaine Cordy and Josh Dunkley. Two of them are father-sons. It?s rare for sons of past players, who have barracked for the club all their lives, to want out. One maybe. But two?

Change has begun and will continue.

Smith, a long-time lieutenant of Beveridge?s is out the door. Beveridge didn?t like it, which prompted suggestions of conflict with Grant and Bains.

Those pedalling that conflict can't have it both ways. They accuse Beveridge of having too much power, and that no one at the club stands up to him, and then scream crisis when the club actually stands up to the coach.

And the other suggestion that Smith's sacking derailed the season surely is poppycock. If the players use that as an excuse, there?s more issues than we thought.

The Bulldogs on Monday indicated the review would be run internally.

"We?re aware we need to improve in the off-season to bridge the gap between where we are and where we need to be," Bulldogs chief executive Ameet Bains said on Monday night.

"Our job now is to definitively identify where we can find that improvement and make the required changes.

"That process started earlier in the season, and will continue now as we work through the early stages of the post-season.

"With the strength of leadership we have within our club, and the intimate knowledge of our people and processes, we are confident we can make the adjustments that we require."

The list needs work. The top-end talent is there, but there?s too much bottom-end battlers. Like, there's six colonels and 16 soldiers.

The best list in the competition? That was a joke comment surely.

Former recruiter Simon Dalrymple was another to take off. He built the 2016 list and is doing a pretty good job with Sydney's list. Why did he leave? Was it about opportunity or would he no longer work with Grant or Beveridge? Go ask him?

This year, there were injuries, and they did lose five games by seven points or fewer, but questions remain on players such as Jack Macrae and Bailey Smith.

Macrae fell off a cliff this year and Smith might fall out of the club. What's their mindset?

The players have their exit meetings Tuesday, so grievances will be heard and questions will be asked.

Will Smith be totally honest? He had a great working and personal relationship with former club doctor, Jake Landsberger. Does he have the same comfortableness and honesty at present?

That's not an accusation, it's a question.

And if he wants out for another environment then why?


Who cares what the Bulldogs call their review, be it exploratory or semi-crisis, because that's not the point.

And it's not about circling wagons and soldiering on.

Fresh eyes can be a winner.

[bulldogtragic]

Exactly. Robbo makes sense!

[Sedat]

Exactly. Robbo makes sense!
Amazingly yes. Halley's Comet must be due.

[Mofra]

Amazingly yes. Halley's Comet must be due.
Beer shortage in Melbourne perhaps?

[GVGjr]

I don't mind some pressure and media focus coming for us given the way we stumbled to the finish line.
We will start to finalise the playing list over the next few weeks and when the trade period starts we will get an idea on how active we might be there. The main point I'd like to get some clarity about is if we are rebuilding the list via the draft, topping up like with some experienced types like we did last year or a combination of both.

Back to some of the points Robbo focused on but would contacting ex players or officials who departed the club really help?
The whole footy department needs to be reviewed not just Bevo. I don't think we were set-up to succeed this year by not replacing Chris Maple.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I don't mind some pressure and media focus coming for us given the way we stumbled to the finish line.
We will start to finalise the playing list over the next few weeks and when the trade period starts we will get an idea on how active we might be there. The main point I'd like to get some clarity about is if we are rebuilding the list via the draft, topping up like with some experienced types like we did last year or a combination of both.

Back to some of the points Robbo focused on but would contacting ex players or officials who departed the club really help?
The whole footy department needs to be reviewed not just Bevo. I don't think we were set-up to succeed this year by not replacing Chris Maple.

I agree GVGjr that some of this pressure is good.

But I also don't see how some of interviewing the ex players works? Everything slightly retro fitted after the fact

My take is:

Dunkley predominantly left for more money and more years - I suspect all the innuendo is a way of softening him looking like a modern mercenary - his manager always knew we had Bont and Libba etc and was looking to engineer a move to a spot where he would be paid like he was 'the man'. His father and family also seemed very attuned to maximising his earnings from Day 1.

Hunter had stopped performing, lacked focus and needed a change of scenery - now, it could be argued its a shame we couldnt help him, or make that focus happen with us - and thats an issue worthy of exploration, but do those insights come from Hunter himself?

Cordy was a fringe player who we knew what we were going to get out of him, but he also got a longer offer elsewhere. If he'd stayed we were going to end up playing him and we actually needed to open up that spot in the team for other options. We chose to pay Jones over him, and or prioritise Gardner, or use Keath and or TOB which are decisions Im fine with.

What was the role you saw Maple playing that was missed GVG? Combination of footy development and management?

List management is where we seem to have dropped off over the past two years - we haven't been introducing enough kids onto the list, and specifically not enough midfield options

[bornadog]

List management is where we seem to have dropped off over the past two years - we haven't been introducing enough kids onto the list, and specifically not enough midfield options

This is true, but the fact is we didn't have the the picks that could give us decent players. With Jamarra and Darcy coming in this hurt us in other ways, and we ended up promoting the Robbie McComb's of the world and not being able to find some decent 2nd, 3rd rounders.

[MrMahatma]

This is true, but the fact is we didn't have the the picks that could give us decent players. With Jamarra and Darcy coming in this hurt us in other ways, and we ended up promoting the Robbie McComb's of the world and not being able to find some decent 2nd, 3rd rounders.

I agree with this, and also think getting a young KPD with our first pick last year was the right move. Those players take time so you've gotta get them ahead of when you're desperate.

[azabob]

This is true, but the fact is we didn't have the the picks that could give us decent players. With Jamarra and Darcy coming in this hurt us in other ways, and we ended up promoting the Robbie McComb's of the world and not being able to find some decent 2nd, 3rd rounders.

So, I'll ask for the 1,047th time should we be sacrificing further draft picks for Croft? Or should our draft capital be used on the open market?

[Critter]

So, I'll ask for the 1,047th time should we be sacrificing further draft picks for Croft? Or should our draft capital be used on the open market?

In the words of the great Eric Bogle, "... and I ask myself the same question".

[bulldogtragic]

So, I'll ask for the 1,047th time should we be sacrificing further draft picks for Croft? Or should our draft capital be used on the open market?

Trade up to GCS. Get Stevens & Croft. Hopefully Lohmann in the trade period. Then look at live trading back into the draft where we can.

A top 5 player, a 10-15 player, a former first rounder from two years ago is a handy injection of talent. The bigger thing is backing ourselves into drafting some kids instead of hoarding VFL players or rookieing delisted players. We’ve got to have our recruiters do some young talent recruiting. If they take maybe 3 kids, even if only one or two turn out to half way good then we walk away happy.

[bornadog]

Trade up to GCS. Get Stevens & Croft. Hopefully Lohmann in the trade period. Then look at live trading back into the draft where we can.

A top 5 player, a 10-15 player, a former first rounder from two years ago is a handy injection of talent. The bigger thing is backing ourselves into drafting some kids instead of hoarding VFL players or rookieing delisted players. We’ve got to have our recruiters do some young talent recruiting. If they take maybe 3 kids, even if only one or two turn out to half way good then we walk away happy.

Thanks BT

[Bulldog Revolution]

So, I'll ask for the 1,047th time should we be sacrificing further draft picks for Croft? Or should our draft capital be used on the open market?

Ill state some obvious Aza - 200+ cm athletic key positions players can be very valuable when they pan out - but yes, you are right, its a risk (i.e Ayce Cordy who we paid a very high price for). In draft capital Croft seems to be rated as to what he might be (projected), rather than what he is currently - he is big, a bit raw, but athletic and improving rapidly this season. But in terms of stock, his father applied himself beautifully and turned himself into a great full back after being drafted as a wingman before growing.

We should look to draft him but IMO Croft is closer to a pick 20 prospect than a pick 5 - hes going to take quite a few years. For kids playing key positions it just takes a bit of time to get strong enough to compete with guys like Sam Collins, Liam Jones etc and they cant work their way into it in outside roles where they run and accumulate.

We need to counterbalance the talls by making sure we take 3 other kids.

[azabob]

Trade up to GCS. Get Stevens & Croft. Hopefully Lohmann in the trade period. Then look at live trading back into the draft where we can.

A top 5 player, a 10-15 player, a former first rounder from two years ago is a handy injection of talent. The bigger thing is backing ourselves into drafting some kids instead of hoarding VFL players or rookieing delisted players. We’ve got to have our recruiters do some young talent recruiting. If they take maybe 3 kids, even if only one or two turn out to half way good then we walk away happy.

Thanks BT, this is our longest ongoing topic and I love it.

Spot on with your comments, we need to back in the recruiting team to find some talent in the later rounds.

Hopefully GVGjr theory is correct in that Croft is a long term prospect similar to Todd Marshall and a bid is closer to pick twenty and not pick ten.

[EasternWest]

Ill state some obvious Aza - 200+ cm athletic key positions players can be very valuable when they pan out - but yes, you are right, its a risk (i.e Ayce Cordy who we paid a very high price for). In draft capital Croft seems to be rated as to what he might be (projected), rather than what he is currently - he is big, a bit raw, but athletic and improving rapidly this season. But in terms of stock, his father applied himself beautifully and turned himself into a great full back after being drafted as a wingman before growing.

We should look to draft him but IMO Croft is closer to a pick 20 prospect than a pick 5 - hes going to take quite a few years. For kids playing key positions it just takes a bit of time to get strong enough to compete with guys like Sam Collins, Liam Jones etc and they cant work their way into it in outside roles where they run and accumulate.

We need to counterbalance the talls by making sure we take 3 other kids.

I remember a particular person raving to me about Ayce Cordy and to be honest I've never forgiven him.

I've been hrt too many times before.

[bornadog]

Thanks BT, this is our longest ongoing topic and I love it.

Spot on with your comments, we need to back in the recruiting team to find some talent in the later rounds.

Hopefully GVGjr theory is correct in that Croft is a long term prospect similar to Todd Marshall and a bid is closer to pick twenty and not pick ten.

I think this is the 1047th time BT said the same thing :D

[azabob]

I think this is the 1047th time BT said the same thing :D

It is getting to the stage where GVG will tell us to take it off line or create a new board similar to the pre season training one!

I've now made peace with the fact we are taking him, it is just how well we play our hand.

[Grantysghost]

It is getting to the stage where GVG will tell us to take it off line or create a new board similar to the pre season training one!

I've now made peace with the fact we are taking him, it is just how well we play our hand.

I want to package up for the Wiz! It's the wiz!

I don't care for Croft. We can get guys like him from Premier Cricket.
JOD kind of makes this pick silly now. Just get the wiz!

[Grantysghost]

Mr around Nick the Wizard Watson.

https://youtu.be/ZtjI0tDLr3A?feature=shared

[Sedat]

Mr around Nick the Wizard Watson.

https://youtu.be/ZtjI0tDLr3A?feature=shared
Nobody beats him

[MrMahatma]

Trade up to GCS. Get Stevens & Croft. Hopefully Lohmann in the trade period. Then look at live trading back into the draft where we can.

A top 5 player, a 10-15 player, a former first rounder from two years ago is a handy injection of talent. The bigger thing is backing ourselves into drafting some kids instead of hoarding VFL players or rookieing delisted players. We?ve got to have our recruiters do some young talent recruiting. If they take maybe 3 kids, even if only one or two turn out to half way good then we walk away happy.

This is the play, but what if Suns don?t go for it and instead deal with Geelong or Richmond (who seem to always do deals).

If we can?t trade significantly up, then what do we do?

[bulldogtragic]

This is the play, but what if Suns don?t go for it and instead deal with Geelong or Richmond (who seem to always do deals).

If we can?t trade significantly up, then what do we do?

It?s a math based trade. So the normal trade narrative isn?t relevant. We have good points, but so do Melbourne & GWS.

If we can?t trade up, then we trade out. For players or future 1sts.

But there?s a few ways to trade up. If not a straight swap,

Say Melbourne get Pick 4 of GCS (with their 1st and seconds x 2)
Melbourne trade 4 & 5 for Pick 1.
WCE then trade pick 5 & 55 for 10 & 17 to dogs

Dees turn their first into Pick 1
WCE turn Pick 1 into 4, 10 & 17 (plus 19, ports second, their 3rd & Ports 3rd)
Dogs get a top 5 pick, some extra points


I think there?s going to be a few ways to trade up. Pick 10 & 17 in a decent draft are a good proposition for a team needing points (GCS) or looking to rebuild (WCE). So I?m pretty confident we can find a way to do it.

[MrMahatma]

You’re actually amazing

[bornadog]

You’re actually amazing

BT should be working in the industry

[bulldogtragic]

You’re actually amazing

Nah, just math. I am good at calculation.

As I say I’m pretty confident there’s a path to trade up.

[DOG GOD]

BT should be working in the industry

He definitely should be, preferably at the dogs.

[bulldogtragic]

BT should be working in the industry

When the dogs have an unpaid volunteer shit kicker role, I will happily apply. Stuff helping another club. But honestly, it’s really just math and problem solving. Like a cross between soduko and a rubix cube.

The last time we had two firsts with a top 10 was Naughton & Ed. Aaron played in a GF, Ed would’ve if fit. Before that, Jacko & Jake. Played in a flag. Hopefully we can replicate that again with two high picks nailed by the club recruiters.

[EasternWest]

Nah, just math. I am good at calculation.

What are you talking about that's the literal definition of amazing. That's some mystical magic crap.

[macca]

BT should be working in the industry

Sam power, can you please use BT as an advisor on drafting points ? Maybe give him a hint or 2 about player list management as well.

[macca]

. But honestly, it’s really just math and problem solving. Like a cross between soduko and a rubix cube.

thanks for sharering the secret to unlocking how to do draft point calculations.

I am hopeless at soduko and rubix cube. No wonder this stuff makes no sense to me.

[bulldogtragic]

Sam power, can you please use BT as an advisor on drafting points ? Maybe give him a hint or 2 about player list management as well.

Sam is the best judge I’ve seen, especially on future pick trading. He’s scarily accurate about picking good times for us to trade out, and when to trade in (less Dunkley forcing his hand last year).

So here’s my secret tip for y’all. If we are very confident about rocketing back into finals or top 6 next year you will see us trading a few future picks to try to bring in talent. If we are concerned that next year might be another year without finals or falling down the ladder you will see us not do much future trading for fear of overpaying (see Freo & Richmond this year - Lobb a little this year). Thinking on this today, this will be the tell about where we think the performances will be next year. Forget the rhetoric, future pick trading is strongly linked to internal expectation. So keep an eye on this through the trade period and then live trading at the ND to a lesser degree.

[bulldogtragic]

thanks for sharering the secret to unlocking how to do draft point calculations.

I am hopeless at soduko and rubix cube. No wonder this stuff makes no sense to me.

Neither can I! But despite what might be perceived as negativity sometimes, I just want the club to reach its potential and succeed. So whenever I have a spare moment I like to think through how through trading and pick/point trading where we have priority access kids to suggest ideas for us getting back to the promise land. I can’t coach, I’m no good tactically, so list management math has become something I like to look at.

[Grantysghost]

Nah, just math. I am good at calculation.

As I say I’m pretty confident there’s a path to trade up.

It's your super power.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I remember a particular person raving to me about Ayce Cordy and to be honest I've never forgiven him.

I've been hrt too many times before.

The cordy experience was a big lesson - don?t get too excited with big men who do the small men stuff unbelievably well unless those big men also can do the big man parts of the game

It also showed me how speculative 6 foot 7 and above kids generally are

[mjp]

It?s a math based trade. So the normal trade narrative isn?t relevant.

It's only math based if the player WANTED by the club doing the trading is available in either scenario...

It becomes very flesh and blood based if there is any hint of a decision that could compromise access to the player deemed the 'golden child' (whomever that may be). From all reports, Dursma is Hawthorn's golden child, Curtin is certainly West Coast's...

It's math based until it isn't.

[bulldogtragic]

It's only math based if the player WANTED by the club doing the trading is available in either scenario...

It becomes very flesh and blood based if there is any hint of a decision that could compromise access to the player deemed the 'golden child' (whomever that may be). From all reports, Dursma is Hawthorn's golden child, Curtin is certainly West Coast's...

It's math based until it isn't.

True, the comment was in response to a big club getting the draft points trade. I don’t think that’s the case for GCS, I think their trade is math based.

If it’s in the hypothetical:

Reid - Melb
Walter - GCS
McKercher/Duursma- North
Duursma/McKercher - Hawks
Curtin - WCE
Stevens - Dogs

I think everyone walks out of that happy. Unless North get top compo on McKay… but then we just have to outbid Melbourne for the GCS pick if WCE wouldn’t trade the Pick 5 originally tied to Freo by refusing the downgrade on Pick 1.

[EasternWest]

The cordy experience was a big lesson - don?t get too excited with big men who do the small men stuff unbelievably well unless those big men also can do the big man parts of the game

It also showed me how speculative 6 foot 7 and above kids generally are

That's sensible but makes me no less angry at you.

[bulldogtragic]

That's sensible but makes me no less angry at you.

Does it make you feel any better knowing we could’ve got Barry Hall a year earlier than we did but Sydney demanded the pick we wanted for Ayce? And what the 2009 prelim might have been if we had Hall in that 7 point loss and if we could’ve got over Geelong in the GF. But didn’t want to give Ayce up.

Feel better?

[EasternWest]

Does it make you feel any better knowing we could’ve got Barry Hall a year earlier than we did but Sydney demanded the pick we wanted for Ayce? And what the 2009 prelim might have been if we had Hall in that 7 point loss and if we could’ve got over Geelong in the GF. But didn’t want to give Ayce up.

Feel better?

No. It do not.

[bulldogtragic]

No. It do not.

Perk up. You still have two Bentleys. So we blew a chance at a flag for ammo’s grade player.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Does it make you feel any better knowing we could’ve got Barry Hall a year earlier than we did but Sydney demanded the pick we wanted for Ayce? And what the 2009 prelim might have been if we had Hall in that 7 point loss and if we could’ve got over Geelong in the GF. But didn’t want to give Ayce up.

Feel better?

What wondrous comfort that brings to me BT, thanks so much for sharing that.
I might go and watch the 2009 preliminary, and the 97 preliminary oh and stuff it the freaking 94 Billy Brown less garbage.

[macca]

The cordy experience was a big lesson - don?t get too excited with big men who do the small men stuff unbelievably well unless those big men also can do the big man parts of the game

It also showed me how speculative 6 foot 7 and above kids generally are

Cordy had an extra super power , his knee

Your right though , talls are highly speculative
Tom hickey is a good example
He played well in his last 2 seasons. Was behind a few at west coast

Schache is another example , has all the physical attributes but no angry pills.

Come to think of it , may deserve an anlaysis of highly speculative talls in the eker thread

[EasternWest]

Perk up. You still have two Bentleys.

Can you stop messaging me I'm trying to sleep on a pillow filled with cash.

[azabob]

Cordy had an extra super power , his knee

Your right though , talls are highly speculative
Tom hickey is a good example
He played well in his last 2 seasons. Was behind a few at west coast

Schache is another example , has all the physical attributes but no angry pills.

Come to think of it , may deserve an anlaysis of highly speculative talls in the eker thread

Right knee, wrong Cordy.

Played the long game with Ayce Cordy.

[mjp]

True, the comment was in response to a big club getting the draft points trade. I don’t think that’s the case for GCS, I think their trade is math based.


Yeah - 100% mate.

I know I quoted you but that was just on the whole 'generalisation' of trading based on 'maths' not on the specifics of the GC deal. I just think 'everyone' gets so caught up in all the discussion of points and rounds and trades right now that the fundamentals of building a list - you actually need to get the players who you need - are lost on a lot of people.

If we trade down from our pick to get another first and a future second, we'll be better off....

Well - MAYBE. But only if the players you pick are the right selections for your club in terms of physical fit, cultural fit and developmental fit...

How do you get that right? Well...you (make an educated) guess. Or just guess. And cross your fingers.

[bulldogtragic]

Yeah - 100% mate.

I know I quoted you but that was just on the whole 'generalisation' of trading based on 'maths' not on the specifics of the GC deal. I just think 'everyone' gets so caught up in all the discussion of points and rounds and trades right now that the fundamentals of building a list - you actually need to get the players who you need - are lost on a lot of people.

If we trade down from our pick to get another first and a future second, we'll be better off....

Well - MAYBE. But only if the players you pick are the right selections for your club in terms of physical fit, cultural fit and developmental fit...

How do you get that right? Well...you (make an educated) guess. Or just guess. And cross your fingers.

The complexity of trading in young men with footballing skills! So Curtin is getting the hype? So I take it then that WCE Will seriously a slight downgrade if that’s their chips in player? Is he equal to the hype?

[mjp]

The complexity of trading in young men with footballing skills! So Curtin is getting the hype? So I take it then that WCE Will seriously a slight downgrade if that’s their chips in player? Is he equal to the hype?

When he was interviewed a couple of weeks ago he was asked "What was your best game of the year"...the game he nominated was the one he played against my boys, so I am a bit biased.

He is a 195cm kid who can play as a key back AND as an inside mid. He's the sort of player who makes talent id easy...just pick him and celebrate getting a 200-game player to your club. Worst case is he's a lock-down defender.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

What wondrous comfort that brings to me BT, thanks so much for sharing that.
I might go and watch the 2009 preliminary, and the 97 preliminary oh and stuff it the freaking 94 Billy Brown less garbage.

Oh boy. Lock up your razor blades.

That's a 3 course i would burn my eyeballs out to avoid.

As a night cap may i suggest the '85 Prelim?

[bulldogtragic]

Oh boy. Lock up your razor blades.

That's a 3 course i would burn my eyeballs out to avoid.

As a night cap may i suggest the '85 Prelim?

Can I interest you in a glass of the ‘61 GF if you can afford it. If not, I can offer you a two year old if the same variety. Excellent vintages that saw generational talents only see a single flag.

[Willofwest]

Glad they made changes to the coaching support team. Let see Bevo goes in 2024.

[GVGjr]

Welcome to WOOF WillofWest.

[Grantysghost]

Glad they made changes to the coaching support team. Let see Bevo goes in 2024.

It is good to see some change after a disappointing couple of years.

[Eastdog]

Glad they made changes to the coaching support team. Let see Bevo goes in 2024.

Agree Willofwest. Something had to change and if it wasn’t going to be Bevo the coaching and development team around him needed a refresh.

[macca]

Agree Willofwest. Something had to change and if it wasn’t going to be Bevo the coaching and development team around him needed a refresh.

I view these changes as positive. Bevo your going to get these new assistants wether he asked for it or not, to give him all the support for us to have another crack at GF. If we dont male the top 4 this year, it be another year wasted

[Eastdog]

I view these changes as positive. Bevo your going to get these new assistants wether he asked for it or not, to give him all the support for us to have another crack at GF. If we dont male the top 4 this year, it be another year wasted

I think we need to at least win a final. If we completely miss out again then I think Bevo time is up.

[Willofwest]

Agree need to be in the 8 and win a final with the talent we have. Now a tweak to game plan and ability to shut down opposition run ons. When is the goal kicking specialist being announced.