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mjp
07-11-2023, 01:30 PM
What is YOUR "Non-Negotiable"?

Which skill or physical attribute do you value above all others...and WHY???

GVGjr
07-11-2023, 01:39 PM
Competitiveness is the most important one to me. You can get by with not being great at some of the other traits if you have a determined mindset.

ledge
07-11-2023, 01:40 PM
If we get our kicking right most of the other stuff will come . Especially if he is a goal kicker we will win a lot more games .

bornadog
07-11-2023, 01:44 PM
Competitiveness/Determination - a bit like early Dahlhaus. Dahl lacked alot of skills like kicking, but his fierce determination and attack on the ball was a part of why we were so successful in 2016

meenies
07-11-2023, 01:50 PM
Stop kicking to opposition

Twodogs
07-11-2023, 01:52 PM
Field kicking and goal kicking.

Then determination with a side order of mongrel

mjp
07-11-2023, 02:52 PM
Stop kicking to opposition

To be fair, this is a new player. They haven't made any mistakes yet so they can't really 'STOP' doing something that they haven't done yet.

Mofra
07-11-2023, 03:11 PM
Competitiveness/Determination - a bit like early Dahlhaus. Dahl lacked alot of skills like kicking, but his fierce determination and attack on the ball was a part of why we were so successful in 2016
Clay Smith likes this. Ditto Cross, Boyd, Morris, etc - all flawed footballers who were incredibly competitive.

Naughton is our marquee forward based on his pure attack on the ball in flight. He just competes constantly, including when the ball hits the ground.

The Underdog
07-11-2023, 03:21 PM
6 pack, cool haircut and opportunities for synergy with commercial brands that also enhance their personal brand.
Possibly some cool Tatts along the journey.

azabob
07-11-2023, 04:04 PM
I went with Loyalty to 'Home' / Sense of 'Duty' In particular sense of duty. Sense of duty to get the job done and do whatever it takes.

When they don’t get it done they take it personally and want to get better and make their teammates better.

Think of players in the ilk of Bontempelli, MBoyd, Morris.

Scorlibo
07-11-2023, 10:20 PM
I went with Loyalty to 'Home' / Sense of 'Duty' In particular sense of duty. Sense of duty to get the job done and do whatever it takes.

When they don’t get it done they take it personally and want to get better and make their teammates better.

Think of players in the ilk of Bontempelli, MBoyd, Morris.

I instinctively voted for competitiveness but you make a fair case for 'Sense of Duty'. It's not a non-negotiable like competitiveness, and probably more learned than innate, but the players that truly see their success as inseparable from the team's tend to have an outsized impact on the club.

Dry Rot
07-11-2023, 11:22 PM
Decision making, but in my mind that is multi faceted so maybe I'm having my cake and eat it.

I would define the correct decision involving vision, an appraisal of the game at that point in an instant, and the skills by hand and particularly by foot to give effect to that decision quickly and often under pressure. It may also involve the player getting themselves into the right place at the right time.

It is a rare commodity, and often possessed by the elite players.

Pendlebury is a good example. Almost always makes the right decision and then executes it.

Uninformed
08-11-2023, 12:26 AM
Hardness

jazzadogs
08-11-2023, 12:32 AM
I voted for speed.

Clearly an outlier opinion, and can see the arguments for competitive/determination, but I think a quick midfielder is big for us. They obviously need plenty of other skills to be regarded as a top 6 pick, but if it came down to a few options I would have speed up the top.

muzzyahoy
08-11-2023, 06:13 AM
We need another Libba type. Tom only has 2-3 years left, and we'll need that style of player to be ready to replace him when that day comes.

azabob
08-11-2023, 08:15 AM
What is YOUR "Non-Negotiable"?

Which skill or physical attribute do you value above all others...and WHY???

mjp what is your non negotiable?

At underage level how much is "leadership" valued?

The Doctor
08-11-2023, 09:27 AM
I voted for Competitiveness/determination just ahead of clean hands. Our 2016 side was full of players who 'cracked in' I'll never forget watching the last 15 minutes of our win and our boys were cracking in like crazy when the Swans players could barely get to the contest. Look at the Wall of Biggs for example.

I always look for clean hands among draftees when watching them. Watching our 2023 team I was horrified by the number of fumblers in our team especially when up against strong opposition in critical moments of the match.

Mofra
08-11-2023, 10:18 AM
I voted for Competitiveness/determination just ahead of clean hands. Our 2016 side was full of players who 'cracked in' I'll never forget watching the last 15 minutes of our win and our boys were cracking in like crazy when the Swans players could barely get to the contest. Look at the Wall of Biggs for example.

I always look for clean hands among draftees when watching them. Watching our 2023 team I was horrified by the number of fumblers in our team especially when up against strong opposition in critical moments of the match.
I'm a way, clean have can be taught.
Lachie Neale does more touch work than anyone and he's arguably the cleanest ground ball player in the comp. On his case it's taught, not natural

lemmon
08-11-2023, 10:34 AM
Decision making, but in my mind that is multi faceted so maybe I'm having my cake and eat it.

I would define the correct decision involving vision, an appraisal of the game at that point in an instant, and the skills by hand and particularly by foot to give effect to that decision quickly and often under pressure. It may also involve the player getting themselves into the right place at the right time.

It is a rare commodity, and often possessed by the elite players.

Pendlebury is a good example. Almost always makes the right decision and then executes it.

Same for me - I think a lot of our inability to transition the ball has been because of a combination of poor decision making and inefficient execution. Bont stands out because he makes the right call with the footy and has the power in his leg to pull that off, it's something we're sorely missing across all lines.

Rocket Science
08-11-2023, 01:41 PM
It's tempting to prioritise competitive ferocity because we've seldom felt more starved of it, but I'd sell the farm for a bloke who's a reliably lethal field kick and can make the game so much easier for his teammates as a consequence.

mjp
08-11-2023, 03:27 PM
mjp what is your non negotiable?

At underage level how much is "leadership" valued?

Well...we all talk about leadership but I'm not sure that's what you need as an AFL team drafting an 18 year old...you do want players who are confident enough in themselves to ASK FOR HELP when they need it (rather than just continue to 'not understand') but is that leadership? Who knows. Being a captain at underage level doesn't mean all that much to me to be honest as so often in junior teams (and senior teams for that matter) the 'real' leaders don't have the title...they are just the ones everyone falls in line behind.

Honestly, I don't know what I would value first because we are talking about #1 thing and it would vary to me depending on what I was looking for. I would more likely have a "DON'T" list:

- Don't draft forwards who don't regularly kick 'bags' of goals at junior level - and I'm talking 5+.
- Don't draft mids who don't regularly 'rack 'em up' at junior level - and I'm talking 35+.
- Don't draft 'defend first' defenders who touch the ball 12x per game...

None of them are going to make it.

I do have caveats on all of that stuff but that's the bare bones for me.

Next - I want a player who has a close group of friends and who always seems to be 'doing' something with them - there is a lot of downtime in AFL footy and I want guys who know how to fill that time with 'stuff', not a void. I want players who want to OWN something and be part of something...at the same time, I understand that most 17 year olds just want to play 'well'...

It's tough you know. It's not a 'no dickheads' test but you need to bring players into your group who will be able to fit in...every club has it's own personality type and you can't bring in too many outliers...