AFL Draft Day 2 & Rookie Draft

[bulldogtragic]

Western Bulldogs Night 2 & Rookie Draft

Picks 45, 47 & 58 - But two picks so perhaps a future pick trade maybe? With only our F2 & GCS F3, another pick would be nice.

Plus Anthony Scott to be elevated.


Roughly so far:

MAIN LIST:

Josh Bruce - Croft
Hayden Crozier - Coffield
Taylor Duryea - Scott
Mitch Hannan - Sanders
Toby McLean - Harmes
Tim O'Brien - TBA
Jordon Sweet - TBA

With new deals for Naughton, Keath, Bedendo & Khamis.


ROOKIE LIST:

Robbie McComb - Duryea commitment
Lachie McNeil - McNeil commitment
Roarke Smith - MSD Pick
Anthony Scott - SSP or Live Pick
(Cody Raak, Cat B)


Maybe a ruck, small defender and small forward the main needs with two main lists, with two main spots and a rookie spot.


The outstanding players, courtesy of Doc:

Ollie Murphy
Archer Reid
Logan Morris
Arie Schoenmaker
Archie Roberts
Mitch Edwards
George Stevens
Koen Sanchez
Jack Delean
Joel Freijah
Shaun Mannagh
Tew Jiath
Will Lorenz
Cooper Simpson
Zane Zakostelky
Sam Clohessy
Clay Hall
Angus Hastie
Kade De La Rue
Nathan Philactides
Luamon Lual
Jack Callinan
Harvey Johnston

[ledge]

If George Stevens is as good a footballer as his personality we should grab him.

[bulldogtragic]

Lual Scenarios:

- Gets taken top 40, no dice
- Essendon try to sell us Pick 39 for 45, 47 & F3 swap. If we do that, we select someone else at 39 and as he slides into NGA range, 58 selects him with points
- He slides passed 40, and we get to say use 45. Then we live trade out 47 for the best future pick we can get, and grab him with 58.
- He slides passed 40, but bid is 41-44. Then we could live trade out 45 & 47 for two future picks and a later pick this year. Scoop him up and then take a later selection. OR. Burn Pick 45, and get Pick 56 or so back. Then hold 47, 56 & 58 and live trade what we can.
- He slides deep. We use 45. Live trade out 47. Have 58 there and unrealistically dream he slides to the rookie draft and hold the last pick in the ND like we did with Khamis.


We only have two spots. I tend to think he goes top 40. But if we can get to 45 and use our pick. Then 47 could get us a F3. 58 secures Lual or shepherd’s him to the rookie draft as a Cat B (unrealistic). But if our night two is 45, Lual and F3 then that’s the semi-realistic dream. But if he goes he goes them’s the rules. But there’s room to manoeuvre right now which is handy.

[hujsh]

We definitely only have two list spots on the main list? We can't just decide not to re-rookie McNeil if there's someone better?

[bulldogtragic]

We definitely only have two list spots on the main list? We can't just decide not to re-rookie McNeil if there's someone better?

Not unless we re-balance the main list to increase the size, which has cap implications. McNeil is rookie list to rookie list so it’s not exactly like for like. Plus he’s training and finished third in the 2km time trial after we promised him a spot. I would have cut him, but the club has made its bed.

[bornadog]

I would like to Rookie a backup ruckman

[Axe Man]

I would like to Rookie a backup ruckman

You agreed with BT in the other thread that we don't need ruckmen anymore, which is it? :p

[bulldogtragic]

Just thinking if we trade 47 for an F3 say around ours next year. Effectively replacing the one we used on Harmes. If we do, that would mean we acquired BOTH Harmes & Coffield for a total price of a downgrade of 6 picks (pick 40 into 46 used on Croft) and a F4.

[bornadog]

You agreed with BT in the other thread that we don't need ruckmen anymore, which is it? :p

If BT's suggestion fails then we need to have backup.

[SquirrelGrip]

If BT's suggestion fails then we need to have backup.

Has BT ever failed us before?

[bulldogtragic]

Hun late mail:

The Western Bulldogs are expected to take another two picks, and they will be crossing their fingers and toes that one of those is GA academy prospects Luamon Lual slips past the pick 40 threshold. But Geelong (two picks), Richmond, Essendon and Fremantle, who have all shown interest in the defender, hold selections from picks 30-40.

They are among the clubs in the mix for tall wingman Joel Freijah, and the Bulldogs are considered the sleeper for Norm Goss medallist Shaun Mannagh, who they had interest in ahead of the mid-season draft. Could he be the latest mature-age recruit for the Dogs?

Geelong Falcons medium forward Michael Rudd, Dandenong Stingrays defender Kobe Shipp and Eagles NGA product Oscar Hine-Baston are all later chances.

[azabob]

So, I’m on the clock.

Do I put my much better, better half through night two of the draft? Or is that pushing my luck?

[bornadog]

So, I’m on the clock.

Do I put my much better, better half through night two of the draft? Or is that pushing my luck?

I am not watching, Mrs Bad wasn't happy last night:D

I will keep an eye through WOOF

[ledge]

So now we have 30 min of babble, they are going to drag this night even longer.

[choconmientay]

Has BT ever failed us before?

I would never doubt BT. He even managed to get me a 2016 GF ticket. Still in awe and thankful thinking back of that great period. I want that in 2024 again.

[GVGjr]

So Archer Read has been selected by WC at pick 30

[GVGjr]

I am not watching, Mrs Bad wasn't happy last night:D

I will keep an eye through WOOF

Was she upset with you mozzing Crofty? :)

[GVGjr]

Lions select Logan Morris at pick 31.

[choconmientay]

5 minutes per pick is too long. They should just halves the time and only extend if there is a trade involved

[GVGjr]

Cats select Mitch Edwards at pick 32

[whythelongface]

God that interview with Mitch was painful.

[azabob]

I am not watching, Mrs Bad wasn't happy last night:D

I will keep an eye through WOOF

I am watching and am instantly regretting my decision. I feel I have no choice but to now commit.

The fox interviews with the players over zoom is a new type of pain.

[GVGjr]

Saints select at pick 33 Angus Hastie

[GVGjr]

At pick 34 Carlton select Billy Wilson

[LostDog]

Arie Schoenmaker

Booming backman kicker

[GVGjr]

At pick 35 Richmond traded with Fremantle, Freo pick Cooper Simpson

[bulldogtragic]

Geelong take Mannagh. We don’t get him.

[GVGjr]

At pick 36 Geelong select Shaun Mannagh

[bulldogtragic]

Now pick 37.

[GVGjr]

At pick 37 Collingwood select Tew Jaith

[choconmientay]

So they took a NGA belonging to the Hawks

[bulldogtragic]

At pick 37 Collingwood select Tew Jaith

Hawks missed by three picks!

[choconmientay]

A couple more to go for us …

[azabob]

A couple more to go for us ?

Shhhh

[hujsh]

Tiges or bombers will do the same to us.

Bombers for sure. Just cause they're like that

[choconmientay]

Sorry, I see myself into the naughty corner

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Bombers for sure. Just cause they're like that

That's what I was thinking.....it's such a thing they would do. You know, thinking of what they want and not giving a stuff about the player.

[bulldogtragic]

WCE now into 38!

[GVGjr]

At pick 38 Richmond trade with West Coast select Clay Hall

[choconmientay]

So do we trade up now BT?

[ledge]

Watch the bombers stuff us up now lol

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Murphy has slid a bit hasn't he?

[HOSE B ROMERO]

Cmon Lual....please

[bornadog]

Bastards

[SquirrelGrip]

$&#!*?$! Dodoro!

[GVGjr]

At pick 39 Essendon select Luamon Lual

And confirm their reputation as arseholes and have now confirmed their #1 ranking on the list :)

Good luck to Lual

[DOG GOD]

Typical

[Go_Dogs]

Dodo with that stupid smile on his face?. Bastard!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

**** Essendon.

[hujsh]

****ing ****s

[HOSE B ROMERO]

%@#$%^&*&*&%^%

[chef]

FU Essendon

[bulldogtragic]

Arseholes.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

They didn't even know what they were doing.

Pricks. Typical not treating players well

[hujsh]

I'd say I hope it ends as well for ESSENDON as when they picked Mosquito but I don't want to imply I wish any ill towards Lual

[choconmientay]

F Them. Increased my hate for that club.

[DOG GOD]

That was payback for playing hardball with dunks.

[Testekill]

Essendon and Saints are basically where draftee careers go to die as well so he's not even likely to kick on

[hujsh]

Oh so smart from Dodoro, knowing the rules that ****ing Bigfooty posters know

[Sedat]

Aren't there plenty of higher rated players than Lual still on the board and potentially slipping through to us?

Poor Lual won't be getting much September action at The Hanger.

[azabob]

Good luck Lual.

Did Essendon reach?

A few posters jinxed this.

GVGjr after BADs performance last night we should’ve locked this thread down…

[jazzadogs]

That was payback for playing hardball with dunks.

When does the crameri goodwill start?

[azabob]

Aren't there plenty of higher rated players than Lual still on the board and potentially slipping through to us?

Yeah, seems bombers have reached.

[DOG GOD]

They seem to rate this Roberts guy with elite kicking skills.

[G-Mo77]

Essendon rated him higher. We could have matched it no?

[bornadog]

Any guesses who we will pick

[DOG GOD]

Essendon rated him higher. We could have matched it no?

Had to be pick 40 + to match

[The Underdog]

Essendon rated him higher. We could have matched it no?

No, only from pick 40 onwards

[josie]

**** Essendon.

Bummers replace Plastics as my most hated team.

[DOG GOD]

Any guesses who we will pick

Hopefully not someone who can’t kick.

[choconmientay]

So they must have shutdown any talk of us trading with them into pick 39. Probably hidden agenda to pay back.

[KT31]

Any rated up and coming ruckman left?

[Testekill]

Essendon rated him higher. We could have matched it no?

39 was literally the last unmatchable pick.

[G-Mo77]

No, only from pick 40 onwards


Had to be pick 40 + to match


39 was literally the last unmatchable pick.


I don't get it? I'm serious, so many rules and regs. I need to reach a novel of rules each year to understand this.

[GVGjr]

Any rated up and coming ruckman left?

A couple. Lachlan Smith is one.

[bornadog]

I don't get it? I'm serious, so many rules and regs. I need to reach a novel of rules each year to understand this.

You can only match an NGA pick after 40. So that is why we couldn't match. Unlike FS when you can match at any time.

They brought this in after we matched JUH at pick 1

[azabob]

I don't get it? I'm serious, so many rules and regs. I need to reach a novel of rules each year to understand this.

It’s the JUH rule. Clubs sooked when got JUH at pick one.

[DOG GOD]

I don't get it? I'm serious, so many rules and regs. I need to reach a novel of rules each year to understand this.
I’m sure they changed the rules after we took Jamarra at #1 lol

[bornadog]

Bummers replace Plastics as my most hated team.

Essendon and Carlton have always been my most hated.

[G-Mo77]

You can only match an NGA pick after 40. So that is why we couldn't match. Unlike FS when you can match at any time.

They brought this in after we matched JUH at pick 1

So if JUH was available this season and the bid came in for pick #1 he would be unavailable to us?

[choconmientay]

George Stevens Was talked about a lot pre draft and still available?

[jazzadogs]

I don't get it? I'm serious, so many rules and regs. I need to reach a novel of rules each year to understand this.

Father son can be matched at any point.

Northern academies (i.e. Queensland and NSW teams) can match at any point.

Next Generation Academies (i.e. all the others) can only be matched from pick 40 onwards.

There were three NGA eligible players picked in the 30s - Mitch Edwards (linked to Freo, drafted by Geelong), Tew Jiath (linked to Hawks, taken by Pies) and Lual (linked to dogs, taken by Bummers). Were Edwards and Jiath expected to go then?

[The Underdog]

You can only match an NGA pick after 40. So that is why we couldn't match. Unlike FS when you can match at any time.

They brought this in after we matched JUH at pick 1

Unless you’re a Queensland or NSW team.

[azabob]

So if JUH was available this season and the bid came in for pick #1 he would be unavailable to us?

Correct.

[chef]

So if JUH was available this season and the bid came in for pick #1 he would be unavailable to us?

Yep.

[jazzadogs]

So if JUH was available this season and the bid came in for pick #1 he would be unavailable to us?

Correct.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I can’t find MJP’s post of his top WA talent- anyone he rated still on the board?

[G-Mo77]

Makes no sense really. Develop these kids to become AFL footballers and hope they go beyond pick 40. Seems kind of pointless.

[bornadog]

So if JUH was available this season and the bid came in for pick #1 he would be unavailable to us?
Correct

[GVGjr]

I can’t find MJP’s post of his top WA talent- anyone he rated still on the board?

Koen Sanchez for one. I rate players like Stevens and Freijah and they are still available. Schoenmakers might be considered. Lorenzis another.

[Testekill]

Fonti was a player that we were interested in, a defensive winger.

Obnoxious to miss out on three players that were on our list.

[hujsh]

I like how we finally get to our pick and it's the first add break I've seen on the draft coverage

[Happy Days]

One last kick in the teeth from the 2023 season. Good stuff.

[bornadog]

Joel Freijah come on down

[The Doctor]

Nice one Dogs

[Bumper Bulldogs]

We have loaded up on mids this year. I like it a lot

[hujsh]

Don't mind this pick

[chef]

Sounds a good pick.

[DOG GOD]

Highlights looked good.

[G-Mo77]

Highlights looked good.

They all do. LOL

[choconmientay]

https://youtu.be/eowMsO6JYNU?si=3v1ecKBOJpre92yT highlights

[choconmientay]

https://youtu.be/EelEj-QU30w?si=05qe_kJ4_Z1kLtRn and from fox

[bornadog]

Lachlan Smith welcome - RUCK

[chef]

Yay a ruck.

[KT31]

Ruckman, I like it.

[G-Mo77]

There is our back up ruck. Lachlan Smith

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Waste of a pick. Bevo won’t play him unless we lose English

[LostDog]

Nice a Ruck would love another Key Back to replace the robot Gardiner

[bulldogsthru&thru]

And there's our backup ruck!

[The Doctor]

I like the country boy ruckman. Good pick

[chef]

Is that us done?

[G-Mo77]

Is that us done?

I think so. Time for bed

[bulldogsthru&thru]

A mobile ruckman. So he's at least got a chance of playing seniors.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Is that us done?

I’m hoping we take another pick at 58

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Makes sense from a needs basis.

I'm weary of using draft picks on rucks though given they're 4-5 years away from even contributing.

[DOG GOD]

A mobile ruckman. So he's at least got a chance of playing seniors.

In the mould of Rowan Marshall they say. I’d take that

[bulldogtragic]

Is that us done?

99.9999% yes.

[bornadog]

And there's our backup ruck!

He is already 101kg

[bornadog]

I’m hoping we take another pick at 58

Have we got a spot?

[GVGjr]

Is that us done?

I think so, but you never know

[josie]

Joel Freijah come on down

His body shape and running style reminds me a bit of JJ and also Isaac Smith. Welcome Joel.

[DOG GOD]

Makes sense from a needs basis.

I'm weary of using draft picks on rucks though given they're 4-5 years away from even contributing.

Ranked at 79. Taken at 47. We were obviously concerned he’d go around that pick of ours.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

Roarke finishes and Lachlan continues the Smith legacy of Rohan and Clay.

[choconmientay]

From the internet:


Lachlan Smith

Ruck

202cm, 97kg

Hitting form at the right time, the big ruck is at his best when he?s using his brutish frame to stand tall in the contest and offer an option long down the line or in forward 50.

Has a simple set shot-kicking routine which makes him a threat when he?s playing inside 50 but with his size and strength, expect to see his best football in the ruck at this level.

The 2023 preseason was his first full one with football, having come from a basketball background, reinforcing the clear upside.https://pakenham.starcommunity.com.au/files/2023/06/GippPOWER_339169_10-1.jpg

[jazzadogs]

Waste of a pick. Bevo won?t play him unless we lose English

Does that really make it a waste of a pick? A young ruckman, who we know generally take a few years to develop, so wouldn't be planning to play in the next couple of seasons anyway?

[HOSE B ROMERO]

He only turned 18 last month and is already 202 cm and 101kg!

[G-Mo77]

He only turned 18 last month and is already 202 cm and 101kg!

We've got to give him #41

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Does that really make it a waste of a pick? A young ruckman, who we know generally take a few years to develop, so wouldn't be planning to play in the next couple of seasons anyway?

I’m still getting over the lose of sweet. We just don’t play them (ruck-men) no matter how well they are going or how bad we are playing.

[Testekill]

Ranked at 79. Taken at 47. We were obviously concerned he’d go around that pick of ours.

I think we were always taking 4 picks.

[bulldogtragic]

Explainer:

We can take another kid at 58 if we move a rookie spot to the main list. Which we still can.

So the kid needs to be worth that. Plus the standard rookie salary isn?t included in our salary cap, but another main list kid would be. So the kid would need to be Houdini enough to take a $75,000+ hit to the salary cap.

So we could still be live, but we?d need to red hot on the kid. Then not have an SSP/live rookie draft pick too.

[Mantis]

I?m still getting over the lose of sweet. We just don?t play them (ruck-men) no matter how well they are going or how bad we are playing.

Build a bridge? English was the AA ruckman last season and played every game. If he got injured Sweet would?ve been his replacement, but given Sweet can?t play elsewhere on the ground so he didn?t get an opportunity.

[Grantysghost]

Build a bridge? English was the AA ruckman last season and played every game. If he got injured Sweet would?ve been his replacement, but given Sweet can?t play elsewhere on the ground so he didn?t get an opportunity.

English is soft though

[G-Mo77]

English is soft though

That is the knock on him and went to water several times when was knocked around.

[Grantysghost]

One last kick in the teeth from the 2023 season. Good stuff.

He went 39, not like we missed out on a top end guy.

[ledge]

Smith is more mobile than Sweet , seems to have some evasive skills too which is rare in a ruck, not a bad choice
Frejiah seems to have a bit of height and looks to go hard and be a good deliverer of the ball.
I like both choices . Would like to see us get an in and under mid though.

[Grantysghost]

That is the knock on him and went to water several times when was knocked around.

Groooooaaaaaannnnnn

[jazzadogs]

I’m still getting over the lose of sweet. We just don’t play them (ruck-men) no matter how well they are going or how bad we are playing.

Smith will come in as fourth in line - behind English, Lobb, Darcy. It's up to him to comprehensively win his spot, which Sweet wasn't able to do.

[Go_Dogs]

Love that one!

[choconmientay]

Oh, we are picking another one

[G-Mo77]

Oooh. We did take another pick.

[Go_Dogs]

Speed machine. Just what we needed

[The Underdog]

We picked O’Driscoll!!!

[choconmientay]

highlight
https://youtu.be/BJ_HAw5CDO8?si=oPotU-UP1uUf6FU5

[Eastdog]

Speed machine. Just what we needed

Sounds good. Need some spark.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Love the ODriscoll pick - exactly what we need to be doing with the list

[bulldogtragic]

Explainer:

We can take another kid at 58 if we move a rookie spot to the main list. Which we still can.

So the kid needs to be worth that. Plus the standard rookie salary isn?t included in our salary cap, but another main list kid would be. So the kid would need to be Houdini enough to take a $75,000+ hit to the salary cap.

So we could still be live, but we?d need to red hot on the kid. Then not have an SSP/live rookie draft pick too.

We clearly rate him!

[choconmientay]

I did like his brother and hope Aiden also got a thumping kick.

[jazzadogs]

highlight
https://youtu.be/BJ_HAw5CDO8?si=oPotU-UP1uUf6FU5

.....is that it? 11 seconds of highlights???

Haha I was sold on this guy the moment mjp said he was the fastest footballer he had ever seen.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Can someone dig up MJPs posts on O'Driscoll!!??

I half read them thinking we wouldn't get him. Now I'm interested!

[choconmientay]

Maybe look at this one
https://youtu.be/92eCxXCyoBo?si=oIkqXuMtKNNxPSlc

[azabob]

.....is that it? 11 seconds of highlights???

Haha I was sold on this guy the moment mjp said he was the fastest footballer he had ever seen.

Yeah but it’s like one minute of highlights for players not as quick.

[GVGjr]

Good luck to George Stevens and Will Lorenz

[azabob]

Great to see George Stevens get selected.

[choconmientay]

This is another short footage


https://youtu.be/zZ3jiKz9mmQ?si=_Bt88ysyUHS_odmI

This year the quality of afl video footages are not at quality level.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Another big tick for the 2023 off-season. Great draft haul at first glance. Now we ramp up for a big preseason. Our resident reporters have a big job ahead :cool:

[choconmientay]

Yeah but it’s like one minute of highlights for players not as quick.
In fact he is lightning quick and they hardly could get any footage of him with the modern cameras… :cool:

[ledge]

O Driscoll Looks similar to VDM . One piece of play he even had the hunched back.

[josie]

O Driscoll Looks similar to VDM . One piece of play he even had the hunched back.

Let’s hope speed (and maybe endeavour) is where the likeness ends.

[ledge]

Let’s hope speed (and maybe endeavour) is where the likeness ends.

I think this is the year VDM comes on . A lot of soft tissue injuries in his career, if he gets it right I think he can be extremely handy.

[josie]

I think this is the year VDM comes on . A lot of soft tissue injuries in his career, if he gets it right I think he can be extremely handy.

That would be a bonus (I’d love him to prove doubters like me wrong), his speed and determination have never been in doubt.

[kruder]

O Driscoll Looks similar to VDM . One piece of play he even had the hunched back.

Yeah agree I can see it, but it sounds like O'Driscoll is actually quick though(awesome speed/endurance combo) :)

He does look like he kicks it like Vanders.

[GVGjr]

Well, more players taken on the 2nd night

[kruder]

Really like our draft this year, great to see Bevo smiling also!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is the draft going deeper than initially thought?

[Bulldog Revolution]

Can someone dig up MJPs posts on O'Driscoll!!??

I half read them thinking we wouldn't get him. Now I'm interested!

Quickest player he?s ever coached was among the comments

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Tell me BT, if the dopers hadn't pick Lual at 39, what picks would we have likely used to get him?

[bulldogtragic]

Tell me BT, if the dopers hadn't pick Lual at 39, what picks would we have likely used to get him?

Depends where he was bid on. Too hard to guess.

[The Underdog]

So, 1 live rookie pick plus Duryea and McNeil?

[bulldogtragic]

So, 1 live rookie pick plus Duryea and McNeil?

Unless we keep it open for the SSP or MSD. MSD would be my preference.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Depends where he was bid on. Too hard to guess.

Let's say pick 43.

[bulldogtragic]

Let's say pick 43.

Would’ve been an issue. Might have traded out the picks on Freijah & Smith and used the O’Driscoll pick on him and taken a kid at the end of the draft.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Would’ve been an issue. Might have traded out the picks on Freijah & Smith and used the O’Driscoll pick on him and taken a kid at the end of the draft.

Thanks. I think I prefer the actual events than that scenario.

[Uninformed]

A couple. Lachlan Smith is one.

Well picked! Comfortably in before our recruiters.

[josie]

Thanks. I think I prefer the actual events than that scenario.

Agree. Still despise Dodo & Bummers though.

[bulldogtragic]

Thanks. I think I prefer the actual events than that scenario.

I’m happy enough with what we’ve done tonight. Just picked the best and needs based players for three selections without complications. **** Dodo, but we should be happy.

[Uninformed]

Koen Sanchez for one. I rate players like Stevens and Freijah and they are still available. Schoenmakers might be considered. Lorenzis another.

You know things!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Agree. Still despise Dodo & Bummers though.

Just when I thought I couldn't hate that club anymore they find a way. I really feel horrible for hoping it doesn't turn out well for them. Fingers crossed Lual just demands out after 2 years.

[GVGjr]

So, on a completely unrelated matter is anyone up for a quick trip out to Tullamarine tomorrow for a nice game of baseball?
I think we need a few bats.

[bulldogtragic]

Watching the replay.

Dodo calls someone. Gets a message on the call. Relays it out to one of his guys. The guy says no and shakes his head to that message. Dodo relays that and the call ends.

I wonder who that call was to and what was discussed?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Watching the replay.

Dodo calls someone. Gets a message on the call. Relays it out to one of his guys. The guy says no and shakes his head to that message. Dodo relays that and the call ends.

I wonder who that call was to and what was discussed?

Wonder if it was an offer from us. They sure had a few giggles. May the streak continue.

[kruder]

Watching the replay.

Dodo calls someone. Gets a message on the call. Relays it out to one of his guys. The guy says no and shakes his head to that message. Dodo relays that and the call ends.

I wonder who that call was to and what was discussed?

I was stunned that the telecast didn't pick up that he was talking to the dogs. The whole footy world knew in that moment that they were going to take Lual. It is what they do.

[Bulldog4life]

I was stunned that the telecast didn't pick up that he was talking to the dogs. The whole footy world knew in that moment that they were going to take Lual. It is what they do.

And the Bummers left it to under a minute before the nomination. Nasty buggers.

[bulldogtragic]

I was stunned that the telecast didn't pick up that he was talking to the dogs. The whole footy world knew in that moment that they were going to take Lual. It is what they do.

Yep. I wonder how DoDo the threat was?

45, 47, F2 and rights to Cooney & West with Bont & Naughton next trade period?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I feel like my phone is trolling me with articles like this. Yesterday it was all about the genius Dodo trading up 1 spot. Now it's how smart and cunning it is to take an academy player at 39.

https://amp.nine.com.au/article/0622037d-46cf-4637-8cbf-7672e6cb3138

[bulldogtragic]

I feel like my phone is trolling me with articles like this. Yesterday it was all about the genius Dodo trading up 1 spot. Now it's how smart and cunning it is to take an academy player at 39.

https://amp.nine.com.au/article/0622037d-46cf-4637-8cbf-7672e6cb3138

Wait for two years when their fans want him banished from the club for his genius… as usual.

[hujsh]

I feel like my phone is trolling me with articles like this. Yesterday it was all about the genius Dodo trading up 1 spot. Now it's how smart and cunning it is to take an academy player at 39.

https://amp.nine.com.au/article/0622037d-46cf-4637-8cbf-7672e6cb3138

But you don't get it. He knew the rules. No one here knew the rules. It takes a decade of study to acquire hidden knowledge like that. Because I haven't done it I've already forgotten what the rule is.

You think it's not genius just coincidentally having pick 39 when the AFL arbitrary cut off is pick 40?

[Testekill]

Dodo traded up ahead to get a player that we don't even know if Geelong wanted and bid on a player that couldn't be matched, list management masterclass.

[ledge]

Dodo traded up ahead to get a player that we don't even know if Geelong wanted and bid on a player that couldn't be matched, list management masterclass.

Only if they are the players who deserve to go at those picks . It’s not masterclass if he just took them to spite others and they aren’t actually that good. You could say he was sucked in.

[hujsh]

Dodo traded up ahead to get a player that we don't even know if Geelong wanted and bid on a player that couldn't be matched, list management masterclass.

I think it's neither as good nor as bad as people are saying. Geelong probably auctioned off Caddy knowing there was interest from multiple clubs and Essendon paid essentially a second round pick for those rights. Whether they overpaid or not is hard to say and ultimately Caddy is the one who has final say on if the price was right or not.

[Sedat]

But you don't get it. He knew the rules. No one here knew the rules. It takes a decade of study to acquire hidden knowledge like that. Because I haven't done it I've already forgotten what the rule is.

You think it's not genius just coincidentally having pick 39 when the AFL arbitrary cut off is pick 40?
When you win 15 consecutive trade weeks and national drafts (make that 16), it really is a Dodo world and we are privileged to be living in it and breathing the same rarefied air.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The saints are certainly building towards another awesome culture under Lyon. With Philipou last year and now Collard and Schoenmaker, they're certainly going to have their hands full keeping everyone in check. That's 3 players which were highly rated but slid down the order due to off field or personality issues. Taking a gamble on 1 is something but having 3 could be fireworks.

[Axe Man]

The saints are certainly building towards another awesome culture under Lyon. With Philipou last year and now Collard and Schoenmaker, they're certainly going to have their hands full keeping everyone in check. That's 3 players which were highly rated but slid down the order due to off field or personality issues. Taking a gamble on 1 is something but having 3 could be fireworks.

What was the knock on Schoenmaker? Why did he slide so far?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

What was the knock on Schoenmaker? Why did he slide so far?

He got a 10 game ban for supplying alcohol to his u18 team mates.

He's seemed to have learnt from it but by all reports on talent he should have been a 1st round or early 2nd round selection. The fact he fell to almost 60 might indicate clubs saw some holes in his interview. An interesting one.

[hujsh]

What was the knock on Schoenmaker? Why did he slide so far?


He got a 10 game ban for supplying alcohol to his u18 team mates.

He's seemed to have learnt from it but by all reports on talent he should have been a 1st round or early 2nd round selection. The fact he fell to almost 60 might indicate clubs saw some holes in his interview. An interesting one.

There were also rumors he was bullying someone with a disability. That's less clear/certain than the ban but may help explain how he went that low

[jazzadogs]

There were also rumors he was bullying someone with a disability. That's less clear/certain than the ban but may help explain how he went that low

This tells me more about his personality than buying drinks for 17yo teammates (which most 18yo boys would do). Sounds like he has the tools to be a good player - let's see if he ends up Daniel Talia or Michael Talia.

[chef]

There were also rumors he was bullying someone with a disability. That's less clear/certain than the ban but may help explain how he went that low

Apparently a deaf kid and it went on for 3 years before the kid had to quit the school. Thats the rumour anyway.

[bornadog]

Apparently a deaf kid and it went on for 3 years before the kid had to quit the school. Thats the rumour anyway.

If true, what a coward

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Apparently a deaf kid and it went on for 3 years before the kid had to quit the school. Thats the rumour anyway.

Well the fact that he almost wasn't drafted probably indicates where the truth lies. I can't imagine buying beers makes you go from first round pick to not drafted.

The saints are on form with drafting these types whilst most other clubs overlook. It reeks of Lyons first stint.

[bulldogtragic]

Apparently a deaf kid and it went on for 3 years before the kid had to quit the school. Thats the rumour anyway.

Pretty shit. Can only hope the karma bus stops by and Barry Hall is their boxing coach…

“Please stop punching me Barry”
“Sorry, I can’t hear you kid”

Rinse and repeat for an hour.

[bulldogtragic]

Well the fact that he almost wasn't drafted probably indicates where the truth lies. I can't imagine buying beers makes you go from first round pick to not drafted.

The saints are on form with drafting these types whilst most other clubs overlook. It reeks of Lyons first stint.

Someone has to set dwarfs on fire. They don’t spontaneously combust.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Someone has to set dwarfs on fire. They don’t spontaneously combust.

I feel really sorry for deaf dwarfs. They should probably move far away from St kilda asap.

[bulldogtragic]

I feel really sorry for deaf dwarfs. They should probably move out of St kilda asap.

As t least he’s the right age for a St Kilda school girl…

Jeez they’re the white trash club of the AFEL.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

As t least he’s the right age for a St Kilda school girl…

Jeez they’re the white trash club of the AFEL.

Which is really saying something when you look at Collingwood.

[The Doctor]

Which is really saying something when you look at Collingwood.

or Essendon

[hujsh]

St.Kilda snatched Riley Bonner from Port

Nevermind I thought they were doing a Wingard thing at Port but nope just a regular recycled player

[GVGjr]

St.Kilda snatched Riley Bonner from Port

Nevermind I thought they were doing a Wingard thing at Port but nope just a regular recycled player

I think the Saints have done okay at the draft and by adding Bonner.

[GVGjr]

We've redrafted McNeil so I assume Duryea is next and we will keep a spot open.

[Testekill]

I suspect we're not doing anything since we re-rookied McNeil with our first pick.

[Testekill]

That's Duryea as well. Honestly really frustrating since we have open spots on the main and rookie lists.

[hujsh]

Yeah you'd think we'll hear about some players training with us and maybe we pick one up before the year starts

[The Bulldogs Bite]

For the life of me I can't understand why you re-rookie McNeil.

Duryea I get.

[bornadog]

We've redrafted McNeil so I assume Duryea is next and we will keep a spot open.

We have passed on the 3rd selection, so now open spot

[bulldogtragic]

Yeah you'd think we'll hear about some players training with us and maybe we pick one up before the year starts

It?s either an SSP selection or Mid Season Draft pick.

I?d take the MSD pick.

[Axe Man]

It?s either an SSP selection or Mid Season Draft pick.

I?d take the MSD pick.

It's beautifully setup for the return of Roarke in the MSD! ;)

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_gx-S5asAANQEd?format=jpg&name=medium

[hujsh]

It?s either an SSP selection or Mid Season Draft pick.

I?d take the MSD pick.

Meh, can pick someone up in the MSD when there's an injury. If there's someone we like and they prove they should be on the list isn't it worthwhile having them in the system sooner than later (especially compared to halfway through a season)

[Dry Rot]

So are picks were

45. Joel Freijah


47. Lachlan Smith


55. Aiden O'Driscoll

All later picks obviously. What is the knock on each of them?

[Bulldog Revolution]

For the life of me I can't understand why you re-rookie McNeil.

Duryea I get.

I dont think he's been that far off it TBB

Its a notoriously difficult position that half forward flank, and he's been a pretty good tackler, pretty courageous - we havent functioned well forward of the ball during his time. Hes played 42 games over 3 seasons suggesting the match committee have seen enough to like what hes contributing to the team. I dont think his conversion has been quite good enough 19.19 with 8 goal assists, but I dont think hes been too far away from maybe being a handy defensive forward.

[GVGjr]

I dont think he's been that far off it TBB

Its a notoriously difficult position that half forward flank, and he's been a pretty good tackler, pretty courageous - we havent functioned well forward of the ball during his time. Hes played 42 games over 3 seasons suggesting the match committee have seen enough to like what hes contributing to the team. I dont think his conversion has been quite good enough 19.19 with 8 goal assists, but I dont think hes been too far away from maybe being a handy defensive forward.

He's close to being a good footballer for all the reasons you have highlighted including tackling, pressure acts, courage, hard worker and quickness but he just misses too many goal kicking chances that he shouldn't. If he fixes that or somehow finds a different role then he is a good chance. He's never going to be a 25 possession type player so he just has to be more efficient with his kicking.
The problem for him is that West is probably ahead of him and Clarke could catch him this year if he doesn't tidy up his kicking.

[josie]

I dont think he's been that far off it TBB

Its a notoriously difficult position that half forward flank, and he's been a pretty good tackler, pretty courageous - we havent functioned well forward of the ball during his time. Hes played 42 games over 3 seasons suggesting the match committee have seen enough to like what hes contributing to the team. I dont think his conversion has been quite good enough 19.19 with 8 goal assists, but I dont think hes been too far away from maybe being a handy defensive forward.

Sort of agree but only a bit, for me he just hasn?t improved enough, pretty flatline recently. Also some of his misses have been horrible and when you are a short, marginal player you are not afforded as much leeway with conversion.

Just saw GvG?s post. Captures my thoughts.

[macca]

I dont think he's been that far off it TBB

Its a notoriously difficult position that half forward flank, and he's been a pretty good tackler, pretty courageous - we havent functioned well forward of the ball during his time. Hes played 42 games over 3 seasons suggesting the match committee have seen enough to like what hes contributing to the team. I dont think his conversion has been quite good enough 19.19 with 8 goal assists, but I dont think hes been too far away from maybe being a handy defensive forward.

Spot on. For a rooKI , his games plaYED has been above the average number for his rookie draft year.

MCneil needs to work on his goal kicking ,its not goOd enough to hold a position in the team with 50% coversion rate.close to 70% is what he should be aiming for.

He needs also to work on his marking.

If he can sort these 2 out and improve we have a good player

[hujsh]

So are picks were

45. Joel Freijah


Composure and kicking. More the hitting targets side of things as he seems to have a longish kick and loves a goal.

47. Lachlan Smith


Might be a bit slow (looks agile enough in highlights) and again maybe not a great kick

55. Aiden O'Driscoll

Strength/contested work. Very quick but very slight. Also not super consistent either game to game or quarter to quarter. Doesn't seem a big accumulator either

All later picks obviously. What is the knock on each of them?

Most of these are largely from Rookie Me so maybe have a read of the profiles there

[hujsh]

Spot on. For a rooKI , his games plaYED has been above the average number for his rookie draft year.

MCneil needs to work on his goal kicking ,its not goOd enough to hold a position in the team with 50% coversion rate.close to 70% is what he should be aiming for.

He needs also to work on his marking.

If he can sort these 2 out and improve we have a good player

Is this from typing on a phone?

[Axe Man]

Spot on. For a rooKI , his games plaYED has been above the average number for his rookie draft year.

MCneil needs to work on his goal kicking ,its not goOd enough to hold a position in the team with 50% coversion rate.close to 70% is what he should be aiming for.

He needs also to work on his marking.

If he can sort these 2 out and improve we have a good player

McNeil has actually gone at 39% across his career (you have to count the complete misses as well). 70% would put him in GOAT territory. Anything above 50% is reasonable.


Is this from typing on a phone?

If not macca might need a new keyboard!

[EasternWest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_gx-S5asAANQEd?format=jpg&name=medium

He's taking his deep fried Dad with him too, right?

[Dry Rot]

Most of these are largely from Rookie Me so maybe have a read of the profiles there

Thanks.

So overall, how do you rate the 2023 draft?

I seem to recall some earlier commentary suggesting that it was a weak a draft after about the first 12 picks.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I dont think he's been that far off it TBB

Its a notoriously difficult position that half forward flank, and he's been a pretty good tackler, pretty courageous - we havent functioned well forward of the ball during his time. Hes played 42 games over 3 seasons suggesting the match committee have seen enough to like what hes contributing to the team. I dont think his conversion has been quite good enough 19.19 with 8 goal assists, but I dont think hes been too far away from maybe being a handy defensive forward.

I do agree it's probably the most difficult position to play, but that's why you need an elite asset - pace, goal scoring ability, playmaking, something. I think what you see is what you get with him and I thought now would have been a good time to punt on another prospect.

He's had 3 years and he's no better than day one.

[Dry Rot]

Club frustration grows over AFL’s next generation academy rules at draft

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/22/afl-draft-2023-club-next-generation-academy-rules

West Coast want a “discussion” on the AFL’s controversial next generation academies, admitting to frustration at losing Lance Collard to St Kilda in the national draft.

The NGA system was a big talking point around the national draft on Monday and Tuesday nights. Gold Coast, as one of the four northern clubs, were able to recruit four of their academy players in the first round and it is tipped to be a bumper crop for the Suns.

But under AFL rules, the other 14 clubs could not stop rival clubs poaching their NGA players if they were nominated inside the first 40 selections. So Collard, a highly rated Eagles academy prospect, was snapped up by St Kilda at pick 28....

[macca]

Is this from typing on a phone?

Yes , I suffer from this phone typing syndrome.you now it welk h@hush, is there a cure ? Gets hard with long posts and small text.
Apologies to woofers who have to put up with my mispelling and at times poor grammer.

[macca]

Club frustration grows over AFL’s next generation academy rules at draft

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/22/afl-draft-2023-club-next-generation-academy-rules

West Coast want a “discussion” on the AFL’s controversial next generation academies, admitting to frustration at losing Lance Collard to St Kilda in the national draft.

The NGA system was a big talking point around the national draft on Monday and Tuesday nights. Gold Coast, as one of the four northern clubs, were able to recruit four of their academy players in the first round and it is tipped to be a bumper crop for the Suns.

But under AFL rules, the other 14 clubs could not stop rival clubs poaching their NGA players if they were nominated inside the first 40 selections. So Collard, a highly rated Eagles academy prospect, was snapped up by St Kilda at pick 28....

Whats the point of running NGA if clubs cant pick their players , if they dont have enough top 40 picks ? It just complicates and also does not develop any loyalty to the club. It also devalues the whole acaedemy investment. City hall getting it wrong again.

If we could have picked up JUH for a 2nd round pick , we could had a top 20 pick which could have nabbed us a good midfielder

[hujsh]

Whats the point of running NGA if clubs cant pick their players , if they dont have enough top 40 picks ? It just complicates and also does not develop any loyalty to the club. It also devalues the whole acaedemy investment.

You can't have an academy system and a fair draft system. Either accept that good players will occasionally be taken early under that system and that it will compromise the fairness of the draft (same as Father/Son picks) or completely divorce it from clubs

[macca]

You can't have an academy system and a fair draft system. Either accept that good players will occasionally be taken early under that system and that it will compromise the fairness of the draft (same as Father/Son picks) or completely divorce it from clubs

Why cant they just have a separate draft for NGA players ? Force clubs to reserver at least 1-2 list spot on club list or add another list type for NGA player ? This way the club gets their top NGa playrrr , and validates their investment .

So the top4 clubs would be asking , why do wen invesf in X dollars if we cant pick thse kids in 2-3 yearas time?

[hujsh]

Why cant they just have a separate draft for NGA players ? Force clubs to reserver at least 1-2 list spot on club list or add another list type for NGA player ? This way the club gets their top NGa playrrr , and validates their investment .

So the top4 clubs would be asking , why do wen invesf in X dollars if we cant pick thse kids in 2-3 yearas time?

I guess it's not a draft at that point. It's bringing in academy players directly without a draft cost. I suppose you could do that but it still has the end goal of severely undermining the integrity of the draft and the reason it exists.

[macca]

I hear what your saying , the NGA investmemt is collectively develop the talent pool with non tradition paths for some players, with some restrictions they can get picked up in the ND. You could also argue the ones not picked on ND or rookie , they are still available to other clubs

[westbulldog]

McNeill should be nowhere near best 22, waste of a list spot imo and he had had chances.

[hujsh]

I hear what your saying , the NGA investmemt is collectively develop the talent pool with non tradition paths for some players, with some restrictions they can get picked up in the ND. You could also argue the ones not picked on ND or rookie , they are still available to other clubs

Personally I'd lean towards the AFL taking over the academies with club oversight from the clubs. Alternatively just let clubs match bids on their academy prospects with no discount

[Hotdog60]

It was just a knee jerk reaction to us getting JUH. Matching bids and finding points was fair enough.

[ledge]

Can I have the word rookie explained to me in AFL language because how a player with a premiership, 150 games , 32yo,13 years in the system is a rookie is beyond my comprehension of a rookie.

[GVGjr]

Can I have the word rookie explained to me in AFL language because how a player with a premiership, 150 games , 32yo,13 years in the system is a rookie is beyond my comprehension of a rookie.

Clubs keep manipulating things and the old terminology means nothing now.

[macca]

Can I have the word rookie explained to me in AFL language because how a player with a premiership, 150 games , 32yo,13 years in the system is a rookie is beyond my comprehension of a rookie.
I
We found a way to keep Duryea at the club. My assumption is we delisted him , no club picked him other than is as a rookie. Call it manipulation or whatever.

Senior player, in twilight of career. If we get more than 10 games from him its massive bonus. His leadership is valued and onfield coaching and developmemt of youngsters. The club had a plan to keep him at the club.
But its probably not in the spirit of the rookie system

[hujsh]

We've been able to do this since the days of Mitch Hahn as well BTW so it's hardly a new phenomenon

[ledge]

We've been able to do this since the days of Mitch Hahn as well BTW so it's hardly a new phenomenon

I’m not saying it is but the word rookie and how it operates now are the complete opposite.
Call it the superannuation fund draft. That would be closer to the truth.

[SquirrelGrip]

With the Academy and Father Son picks, I think it’s time to remove the discount (is it 20%?). The benefit to a club is getting the player, they don’t an extra benefit.

If clubs have to pay full value, then that should even it up.

[FrediKanoute]

Club frustration grows over AFL?s next generation academy rules at draft

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/22/afl-draft-2023-club-next-generation-academy-rules

West Coast want a ?discussion? on the AFL?s controversial next generation academies, admitting to frustration at losing Lance Collard to St Kilda in the national draft.

The NGA system was a big talking point around the national draft on Monday and Tuesday nights. Gold Coast, as one of the four northern clubs, were able to recruit four of their academy players in the first round and it is tipped to be a bumper crop for the Suns.

But under AFL rules, the other 14 clubs could not stop rival clubs poaching their NGA players if they were nominated inside the first 40 selections. So Collard, a highly rated Eagles academy prospect, was snapped up by St Kilda at pick 28....

I think the AFL have this wrong. Very wrong. WHether JUH should have been in an NGA is debateable, but asking clubs to develop players and then not have access to them when they do is wrong. Better to tighten the eligibility of players who are pulled into the NGA program than to stop clubs being able to draft.

[FrediKanoute]

With the Academy and Father Son picks, I think it’s time to remove the discount (is it 20%?). The benefit to a club is getting the player, they don’t an extra benefit.

If clubs have to pay full value, then that should even it up.

I think maybe for NGA, but not for F/S. F/S is a romantic draft distortion. Imagine Daicos playing for the Suns; Ablett Junior playing for Hawthorn; Libba playing for Essendon. It continues the connection through generations and I think it helps with attachment.

[ledge]

I think the AFL have this wrong. Very wrong. WHether JUH should have been in an NGA is debateable, but asking clubs to develop players and then not have access to them when they do is wrong. Better to tighten the eligibility of players who are pulled into the NGA program than to stop clubs being able to draft.

And it means you’re penalised for doing a better job as they are going top 40 .. so basically we want you to develop players but not too much or you can’t have them. Or in other words if they are good enough to go top 40 we encourage you to not develop them.

[JanLorMill]

With NGAs either get rid of them or let let all teams pick their ngas prior pick 40 not just Gold Coast.

[ledge]

With NGAs either get rid of them or let let all teams pick their ngas prior pick 40 not just Gold Coast.

Well that’s what needs to be sorted or clubs just won’t do it and it will close down naturally.
The backlash from that happening would not look good for the AFL and the indigenous good guys they have portrayed to be.
I don’t see how you can penalise teams who invested more or have a better development set up.

[MrMahatma]

Reckon the AFL should get a fair draw before they lose too much sleep over father/son picks going below market rate.

[hujsh]

Reckon the AFL should get a fair draw before they lose too much sleep over father/son picks going below market rate.

Crazy, next you'll suggest the whole competition is Mickey Mouse and run by an incompetent rich boys club