Opinion: Training over the break is:

[mjp]

Just a quick question to get a sense of what everyone thinks I guess.

I've read the calls for a 2nd practice game and my views are pretty diametric...honestly, I wouldn't play ANY given a choice. But the players are about to break for Christmas and I'm curious what everyone thinks:

- They should have a daily program and an expectation that they check in a few times with their assigned dev coach, line coach.

- There should be a pretty low key, generic program for them to follow...it's a long season fellaz but it's important we don't lose any ground because some fat bloke is bringing presents.

- You guys know what's happening when you come back (some kind of test that in all likelihood does not reflect the game in anyway)...do whatever you want but WHATEVER THAT IS don't flunk the test upon your return.

- Seeyaz in January - have fun. Relax. It's in your hands and you know what is required...we wont be testing you when you get back though...we 100% trust you blokes.

I was going to put up a poll but more interested in peoples thoughts that tick a box.

[soupman]

Professional athletes so there is an expectation that they act like professionals.

I'd expect it to be a hybrid of the last 3. We trust you to do the right thing, we will of course still be measuring stuff when you get back so you should feel some sense of accountability (although it's more it will reflect poorly on you if you don't maintain a reasonable level than you'll be in trouble if you fail), and we will/can provide a training plan for what is a reasonable thing to do over Christmas.

I think the players need to buy in to doing the right thing, rather than be told.

I've seen the first option happen with C Grade Amateur sides though which is obscene, and also probably what I am expecting happens with the AFL boys.

[bulldogtragic]

I try to treat adults like adults until they show otherwise (Luke Goetz). There’s 23 vacancies right now for Round 1. It’s up to them to do everything they can get one of the 23 spots. It’s up to them to work out the balance if having a good time and how determined they’re going to be over the break. Bevo said the 23 will be the most prepared team under him for a round 1 team. I guess how prepared does each individual want to be? They can work it out I think.

[SquirrelGrip]

I'd like to think the young pups have Option 1 and are given some guidance over the break what to do.

I'd also like to think those with experience have been given that guidance in previous years, so should have an idea of what works for them and what's coming. And they also know the consequences if they don't.

[Go_Dogs]

I think a lot of it honestly depends.

Many years ago when I was training regularly for a different sport, during off season and holidays it was quite frequent quite a few would get together at the gym and train together sometimes with the conditioning coach there others without. Some folks don’t join that and trained separately. Personal preferences and all that.

If people benefit from a break and some time away, brilliant, if others want a bit of camaraderie then that’s brilliant too.

Absolutely trust our players to do what they need to over the break and self manage it. They know what to do and will have a bunch of information about training diet etc.

[Hot_Doggies]

There must be a study into the best approach. Most probably a combination of the first 3.

Would be interesting to split players into groups -
Group A - train hard with regimented programs
Group B- mental break ,plum pudd and crown lagers and min exercise

My guess, come round one you wouldn’t notice the difference.

[azabob]

How long is the Christmas break? 7 days?

Surely, professional athletes are not going to lose any conditioning with a one week break.

The strength and fitness team would be able to build up training for larger and larger loads in the lead up to the Christmas break and then use that week off as a deload week.

[jeemak]

How long is the Christmas break? 7 days?

Surely, professional athletes are not going to lose any conditioning with a one week break.

The strength and fitness team would be able to build up training for larger and larger loads in the lead up to the Christmas break and then use that week off as a deload week.

I thought they came back around week two of January, which would be Monday 8. If that's the case it's two weeks, and plenty of time to undo all of the good work done prior to Christmas.

I'd have thought the club would leverage a phone app with a program for each player to follow to a certain percentage of completion. The player would update the app, and the club would keep an eye on progress.

It would be clear as day if the player arrived after the break having taken the piss, and this way it's not invasive or onerous on the player who has some guidance around expectations.

[GVGjr]

Just a quick question to get a sense of what everyone thinks I guess.

I've read the calls for a 2nd practice game and my views are pretty diametric...honestly, I wouldn't play ANY given a choice. But the players are about to break for Christmas and I'm curious what everyone thinks:

- They should have a daily program and an expectation that they check in a few times with their assigned dev coach, line coach.

- There should be a pretty low key, generic program for them to follow...it's a long season fellaz but it's important we don't lose any ground because some fat bloke is bringing presents.

- You guys know what's happening when you come back (some kind of test that in all likelihood does not reflect the game in anyway)...do whatever you want but WHATEVER THAT IS don't flunk the test upon your return.

- Seeyaz in January - have fun. Relax. It's in your hands and you know what is required...we wont be testing you when you get back though...we 100% trust you blokes.


I might re-word the highlighted section just a bit differently but essentially it is something along the lines of here is your program and you need to stay fit and focused. Training will ramp up when you return and it will be very evident if you are lagging behind team mates.

We should never underestimate just how competitive most players are and how hungry they are to both win and then keep a senior spot. The ones that don't measure up can be sent to Footscray and train with the semi-professional players.

Just need to replay the Bevo clip where he talks about round 1 selection. That should be more than enough motivation to maintain a decent work load on the break.

[Hot_Doggies]

Not sure how long we have off, but Richmond have a 3 week break over Xmas/new year.

[bornadog]

They are professionals and know what to do...so:

- You guys know what's happening when you come back (some kind of test that in all likelihood does not reflect the game in anyway)...do whatever you want but WHATEVER THAT IS don't flunk the test upon your return.

[Palace03]

There has to be an element of accountability on return and definitely a program to follow. If they play it smart and taper the week of Chrissy the guys can relax and enjoy anyway.

Also depends on what the AFL PA allow in terms of contact with players and setting programs etc.

[jeemak]

I don't think you want the players just doing whatever, but promising to keep in shape. Players over-train, or do the wrong training if left to their own devices, and if it's a three week period that's too much for my mind.

[jazzadogs]

- They should have a daily program and an expectation that they check in a few times with their assigned dev coach, line coach.
YES for first year players (maybe not daily, but a clearly defined program while they build expectations and understanding of what is required). Should also be buddied up with other players for mentoring.

- There should be a pretty low key, generic program for them to follow...it's a long season fellaz but it's important we don't lose any ground because some fat bloke is bringing presents.
YES for all other players. I think every player should have access to a program, and it's up to them to decide how closely they follow it.

- You guys know what's happening when you come back (some kind of test that in all likelihood does not reflect the game in anyway)...do whatever you want but WHATEVER THAT IS don't flunk the test upon your return.
YES in terms of the expectation - the general program might be relaxed, but the expectation is that you come back ready to perform. If you're not ready, then we will know you didn't prepare yourself.

- Seeyaz in January - have fun. Relax. It's in your hands and you know what is required...we wont be testing you when you get back though...we 100% trust you blokes.
YES for Bont.

[Bulldog Joe]

I am strongly in the camp that they need a program to follow with the availability of guidance from the coaching staff and particularly the fitness staff.

From the senior players we should have a pretty good handle on how they look after themselves but the newer players would need a more prescribed program with feedback both ways.

There absolutely needs to be a commitment from the group that they will turn up in January ready to resume from where they are in December.

[MrMahatma]

How long are they off for? 2 weeks?

I think it'd depend on where they're at with their program. For some of them who have done all/most sessions, a lighter week could be ideal, followed by some maintenance stuff.

I think questions like this are where culture beats strategy. If the group culture is to be professional and do what's BEST for them and the team (which doesn't necessarily mean doing MORE), then it sorts itself.

Like most people, I'd say the younger guys would need more guidance on what's right for them.

[Mofra]

I'm a hack and I exercise Christmas morning if I can.
Mostly to eat more that day though...

[Dazza]

For sure they should have a program. Coming off a disappointing year I'd hope they're all trying their best to make ammends.

[mighty_west]

Probably not a lot different to the end of season break really, they are professionals and should generally know how to look after themselves and get themselves right coming back after the break.

The onus has to be on them as much as anything knowing they're all competing with each other to break into the round 1 side, there maybe a situation where 1 or 2 of the boys may have had issues in the past that might need a program to go by.

For the first year players a different story and probably given a plan to stick to and check in etc, but for the rest of them the last thing they would want would be to come back in not the best shape and seeing all your mates push forward whilst you take two steps back.

[bornadog]

Us older supporters remember Brian Wilson coming back from after the break in terrible shape, and new coach Royce Hart sacked him. Brian went to North Melbourne and then Melbourne and won a brownlow, plus represented Victoria three years

[Mofra]

Us older supporters remember Brian Wilson coming back from after the break in terrible shape, and new coach Royce Hart sacked him. Brian went to North Melbourne and then Melbourne and won a brownlow, plus represented Victoria three years
Jeremy McGovern as a rookie-listed yet-to-debut player came back from a break in terrible shape once too, and was forced to train away from the main group. He ended up ok too

[Bulldog4life]

Us older supporters remember Brian Wilson coming back from after the break in terrible shape, and new coach Royce Hart sacked him. Brian went to North Melbourne and then Melbourne and won a brownlow, plus represented Victoria three years

Another Braybrook FC talent.

[Eastdog]

Another Braybrook FC talent.

EJ and Doug the most famous from there.

I?m a younger Doggies supporter.

Braybrook played I believe played at the Pennell Reserve north of Ballarat Road and the Skinner Reserve was where Sunshine played.