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GVGjr
07-01-2024, 08:14 AM
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THE Western Bulldogs are the most intriguing team entering 2024.

On paper there is talent everywhere, but that was also the case last season and the Bulldogs managed to be their own worst enemy, missing the finals for the first time in five years.

There has been a lot of noise coming out of the Whitten Oval, with an ongoing review of the club?s football department not exactly the ideal way to start a new season.

The Dogs need to back premiership coach Luke Beveridge and get those 2016 vibes back, although the loss of Bailey Smith to a knee injury in December was a cruel blow.

WESTERN BULLDOGS

Coach: Luke Beveridge

Captain: Marcus Bontempelli

WHAT HAPPENED IN 2023?

Can anyone explain how the Dogs lost to the West Coast Eagles in round 23 at Marvel Stadium with a finals spot on the line?

It is still unfathomable four months on and in many ways summed up the Western Bulldogs season.

They were all over the shop, losing the opening two games by 50 points and 51 points before going on a five-game winning streak from rounds 6-10 which was then followed by three straight losses.

The second half of the year was a trainwreck, winning just three of the last eight games of the season.

They were remarkably still in the hunt for finals in round 24 after they defeated Geelong at Kardinia Park, but were denied September action after the GWS Giants took down Carlton in the final game of the round.

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Giving up runs of goals to the opposition was the biggest problem.

In 14 of their 23 games, the Dogs allowed their opponents to kick four or more goals in a row.

That is bad for business, as is not being able to win the close ones.

They lost six games by 12 points or less.

Captain Marcus Bontempelli can't play better, he was stiff not to win the Brownlow Medal, while Tom Liberatore was brilliant again and Tim English the All-Australian ruckman. Despite this midfield dominance and a stacked forward line, the Dogs weren't the scoring machine many were predicting.

WESTERN BULLDOGS BEST 23

FB: B. Dale, L. Jones, E. Richards
HB: L. Vandermeer, S. Darcy, N. Coffield
C: B. Williams, T. Liberatore, J. Macrae
HF: C. Daniel, J. Ugle-Hagan, C. Weightman
FF: R. Lobb, A. Naughton, R. West
F: T. English, M. Bontempelli, A. Treloar
IC: R. Sanders, J. Johannisen, J. O?Donnell, J. Harmes, A Jones (sub)

WHERE DO THEY FINISH IN 2024?

It will either be a boom or bust for the Bulldogs.

You get the sense there won't be any in-between.

Beveridge will either have his troops positioned as a top-four premiership threat or the wheels will fall off and it could get messy for the coach.

Smith's loss is massive given he was in a contract year and primed to reverse his 2023 form slump.

The drop in output from Jack Macrae last season is also concerning, as it left too much for Bontempelli, Liberatore and Adam Treloar.

The recruitment of ex-Demon James Harmes and one-time first-round draft pick Nick Coffield from St Kilda will help the midfield depth.

But the main focus for Beveridge will be what he does with his bevy of giants.

Aaron Naughton, off the back of a staggering eight-year contract extension, is the main man in the forward half, with Beveridge set to again ignore calls to move him back.

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is ready to explode after kicking 35.35 goals in his third season.

Rory Lobb was disappointing in his first season at the Dogs as the third-tall forward, but it's in defence where help is required for Liam Jones after an outstanding return to football last year.

Young gun Sam Darcy, who only managed three games in his second season because of a variety of injury issues, is seen as the potential solution at centre half-back.

Buku Khamis is being trialled there in the pre-season, while the Dogs also drafted another talented young tall in father-son selection Jordan Croft.

BIGGEST IMPROVER IN 2024?

Almost from the moment he arrived at the Whitten Oval, Sam Darcy has been talked about as something special.

Unfortunately the 20-year-old's body hasn't allowed him to have a run at it, with just seven games in his opening two seasons.

At 205cm, Darcy can play ruck, forward or in defence.

Given the Dogs issues in the back half, there is a sense that is where he will be used in 2024, with the option to be thrown forward to turn the game should the need arise.

X-FACTOR

The early mail has No. 6 draft pick Ryley Sanders already in the frame for a Round 1 debut. The highly rated inside midfielder whose penchant for wearing his socks up like Port young gun Jason Horne-Francis is exactly what the Bulldogs need.

With Smith out injured, a new fresh spark is required in the middle of the ground and by all reports the Tasmanian teenager has all the attributes to make an immediate impact.

COACH STATUS

Luke Beveridge signed a two-year contract extension at the end of 2022 which will have him at the helm until the end of 2025.

The Dogs ordinary season had questions being asked about his status, but the focus at the Whitten Oval has been to get better help around him.

Ex-Cat Matthew Egan comes in as coaching and performance manager, while former West Coast assistant coach Daniel Pratt will take charge of the backline.

IN LAST YEAR OF CONTRACT
Alex Keath, Bailey Smith, Buku Khamis, Charlie Clarke, Dominic Bedendo, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Jason Johannisen, Jedd Busslinger, Lachie McNeil, Lachlan Bramble, Rhylee West, Riley Garcia, Taylor Duryea, Tom Liberatore, Tim English.

OUTS FROM 2023
Josh Bruce (retired), Hayden Crozier (delisted), Mitch Hannan (delisted), Robbie McComb (delisted), Toby McLean (delisted), Tim O?Brien (delisted), Cody Raak (delisted), Roarke Smith (delisted), Jordon Sweet (trade, Port Adelaide)

INS FOR 2024
Lachie Bramble (SSP, Hawthorn), Nick Coffield (trade, St Kilda), Jordan Croft (No. 15 draft pick, father-son), Joel Freijah (No. 45 draft pick), James Harmes (trade, Melbourne), Aiden O?Driscoll (No. 55 draft pick), Ryley Sanders (No. 6 draft pick), Lachlan Smith (No. 47 draft pick)

WESTERN BULLDOGS FIRST SIX
Rd 1: Melbourne @ MCG (L)
Rd 2: Gold Coast @ Mars Stadium (W)
Rd 3: West Coast @ Marvel (W)
Rd 4: Geelong @ AO (W)
Rd 5: Essendon @ Marvel (W)
Rd 6: St Kilda @ Marvel (W)
(Prediction: 5-1)

Hotdog60
07-01-2024, 08:33 AM
WESTERN BULLDOGS FIRST SIX
Rd 1: Melbourne @ MCG (L)
Rd 2: Gold Coast @ Mars Stadium (W)
Rd 3: West Coast @ Marvel (W)
Rd 4: Geelong @ AO (W)
Rd 5: Essendon @ Marvel (W)
Rd 6: St Kilda @ Marvel (W)
(Prediction: 5-1)

I can see us going 6-0 but I'm always the optimist when it comes to the Dogs and I don't think Melbourne will have a great year with a few disruptions going on in the back ground.

ledge
07-01-2024, 09:13 AM
I would have thought a review would be an ideal thing after last year, it would be a bad thing if they didn?t. As I have said before it should be done every year.

GVGjr
07-01-2024, 11:09 AM
I agree with the opening sentence that we are (one of) the most intriguing of sides of 2024. Our sluggish start and poor finish book ended a frustrating and underachieving season. We have the talent on the list but didn't get that out of them but on the positive side with new coaches and players we have brought in plus the return to training at an elite facility will give the club, coaches and playing list the best chance for success.

I'm genuinely positive about what this team is capable of achieving. We have a nice crop of youngsters and some top end experienced players. We have to deliver in 2024 so the motivation for everyone at the club should be high.

Dry Rot
07-01-2024, 02:53 PM
One of the biggest issues for me is that the Dogs are one of the worst teams having a big difference between their best and their worst, for individual players, the team and within games.

Why is this?

Until we can fix this, IMO we will not be a contender.

D Mitchell
07-01-2024, 03:37 PM
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Why is this?

Until we can fix this, IMO we will not be a contender.

No disrespect at all to Dom Milesi or Sam Power, both do their jobs better than well, especially Sam, but it's the current obsession with forward line height, excepting young Darcy and Croft. The key quality we should be looking at is ....

Fill in the dots but, for me, it's young blokes with the mental ability to switch instantly from defence mindset to attack mindset, adventurism in release of the ball coming out of defence and unselfishness up forward.

GVGjr
07-01-2024, 04:31 PM
One of the biggest issues for me is that the Dogs are one of the worst teams having a big difference between their best and their worst, for individual players, the team and within games.

Why is this?

Until we can fix this, IMO we will not be a contender.

Consistency at a high level is something a lot of clubs struggle to achieve. I bumped into a player a couple of days back and asked the question about the differences between training at Skinner reserve and the Whitten Oval and based on the response I think we will see a fitter and more resilient team in 2024. The players have responded positively to the elite conditions of the playing surface and having a fully equipped gym. That gives me more confidence for the season ahead.

macca
07-01-2024, 10:10 PM
The optimist in me hopes 6-0
The cynic in me see us could be 0-6 based on our worst performances in 2023
Like @dryrot points out , our consistency is the concern . I hope we have plugged the flaws in our 2023 brain fades , thrown out the sh*+! Start of 2023 game plan and play attacking and accountable footy. I like our new recruits and we have got some depth in ready made players in Coffield and Harms. I hope Bedendo, VDM, Gallagher, clearly , Garcia, West and Buku have breakout year

Uninformed
07-01-2024, 11:54 PM
I agree with the opening sentence that we are (one of) the most intriguing of sides of 2024. Our sluggish start and poor finish book ended a frustrating and underachieving season. We have the talent on the list but didn't get that out of them but on the positive side with new coaches and players we have brought in plus the return to training at an elite facility will give the club, coaches and playing list the best chance for success.

I'm genuinely positive about what this team is capable of achieving. We have a nice crop of youngsters and some top end experienced players. We have to deliver in 2024 so the motivation for everyone at the club should be high.

You were as close as anyone to the seemingly great standard of our pre-season training last year. Was their anything that stood out in your mind to explain the poor performance in the first two games?

Uninformed
08-01-2024, 12:00 AM
I see Gold Coast as a bigger danger game than Melbourne.

But I see the Melbourne game as the litmus test for the season.

We beat them, we make top four for sure.

We lose to them then top four becomes uncertain and if we lose to GC and then the Cats in sleepy hollow, it is back to the drawing board.

GVGjr
08-01-2024, 12:09 AM
You were as close as anyone to the seemingly great standard of our pre-season training last year. Was their anything that stood out in your mind to explain the poor performance in the first two games?

The constant flow of players into the rehab group was very noticeable plus Lobb getting injured just before the season started took him a long time to catch-up and threw the balance out.

Vred
08-01-2024, 03:57 AM
Top 4 or don't even bother for me, time of excuses is done.
List wants for next to nothing, it's all about game plan, coaching and motivation.
No trademark slow starts, no barely scarping into the 8, this season needs to be a repeat of 2021 but even better, no end of season fade-out.

I like Bevo but anything short of comfortable top 4 and I feel is time is up (I felt this after the Eagles / Hawks loss last year, but am backing him in one more time)

Bulldog Joe
08-01-2024, 07:56 AM
I don't see any excuses and a 6-0 start is there based on the fixture.

We need to be on from Round 1 and a win over Melbourne can set the momentum in place.
If we don't come up and lose that we are more likely to lose to Gold Coast in round 2 and be plating catch up for the remainder of the season.

Countrydog5
08-01-2024, 10:27 AM
I hope we see a little more of a "battle hardened" side this year that approaches the game with the right mentality. I'm not of the opinion that we are mentally soft as some dogs supporters like to say, but I definitely think we lack that killer edge that you need to be a top side. Brisbane in the early 00s, Geelong's 3 flags, hawks 3 peat, tigers of the last few years had an obvious win at all costs mentality.

It's time we start to win big against the weaker sides, and fight hard for 4 quarters against other finals hopefuls. We very rarely put the foot on the throat and then push when we have a 5 goal lead, and it's cost us a few times.

mjp
08-01-2024, 12:31 PM
But I see the Melbourne game as the litmus test for the season.

We beat them, we make top four for sure.


I don't know.

Last year Brisbane lost in Round 1 - went OK. Essendon had a 10-goal win. Terrible year for them.

Too much is put on Round 1...I mean, Collingwood beat the Cats but all the 'vibe' about the Cats was that they were a good side, unlucky to lose a close one...nope, they were no good. Tiges and Blues drew in a quite honestly appalling game of footy...as it turned out, Richmond were a terrible side. And Carlton were quite good...

I'm not fussed what happens in week 1. Gotta let the butterflies settle and get the season underway...

jeemak
08-01-2024, 02:32 PM
Firstly most of the players will need to look up what intriguing means. Then they'll probably be OK with it!

I guess we are intriguing, but it's a strange thing to suggest as a tag for players to feel pressure over. Everyone at the club will be expecting pressure and criticism from all comers if we don't play well. Not sure they'll be too fussed about the intrigue.

That aside, there shouldn't be any excuses from the group for not improving over the summer. What that means in terms of ladder position and total wins, I don't know. I guess maybe at least one more win than last year, maybe two? It's a tough competition, we're not the only team trying to improve.

The Pie Man
08-01-2024, 03:20 PM
I don't know.

Last year Brisbane lost in Round 1 - went OK. Essendon had a 10-goal win. Terrible year for them.

Too much is put on Round 1...I mean, Collingwood beat the Cats but all the 'vibe' about the Cats was that they were a good side, unlucky to lose a close one...nope, they were no good. Tiges and Blues drew in a quite honestly appalling game of footy...as it turned out, Richmond were a terrible side. And Carlton were quite good...

I'm not fussed what happens in week 1. Gotta let the butterflies settle and get the season underway...

Round one has proven to be reasonable indicator for us at times

- Johnno?s 300th was a great springboard for 08, felt very important at the time?a loss would?ve been demoralising

- Turtle did his knee in one of our only wins for 03, you felt it was going to be tough from there (and was it ever)

Uninformed
08-01-2024, 04:23 PM
The constant flow of players into the rehab group was very noticeable plus Lobb getting injured just before the season started took him a long time to catch-up and threw the balance out.

Judging from your earlier note about the players really appreciating the surface Whitten Oval, there is hope for less injuries.

Uninformed
08-01-2024, 04:36 PM
I don't know.

Last year Brisbane lost in Round 1 - went OK. Essendon had a 10-goal win. Terrible year for them.

Too much is put on Round 1...I mean, Collingwood beat the Cats but all the 'vibe' about the Cats was that they were a good side, unlucky to lose a close one...nope, they were no good. Tiges and Blues drew in a quite honestly appalling game of footy...as it turned out, Richmond were a terrible side. And Carlton were quite good...

I'm not fussed what happens in week 1. Gotta let the butterflies settle and get the season underway...

Not that we still can't make top four if we lose to Melbourne, but I think they will be hyped to do well in round one and they are a decent side. Bevo wants us the fittest and best prepared for round one. If we knock them over it would be a good indication to me that we are in for a good season. If give them the sort of hiding CountryDog is speaking of, then the lid is off (for this simpleton anyway!)

I agree though that round one is not the thing that will decide the season. Would just be a great sign for us enthusiasts and losing it would make me uncertain but shouldn't do so to the players and coaches and the more level headed supporters.

josie
08-01-2024, 08:10 PM
One of the biggest issues for me is that the Dogs are one of the worst teams having a big difference between their best and their worst, for individual players, the team and within games.

Why is this?

Until we can fix this, IMO we will not be a contender.

Agree 100%. Jekyll and Hyde. Need less reliance on Bont carrying us, a more even spread like 2015/2016. Plus goal kicking accuracy.

FrediKanoute
09-01-2024, 12:11 AM
You were as close as anyone to the seemingly great standard of our pre-season training last year. Was their anything that stood out in your mind to explain the poor performance in the first two games?

Aside from tactically getting it completely wrong?

I don't think round 1 and 2 was a pre-season hangover, it really was being victims of a successful deployment of the 4 talls inside 50 against north in the pre-season game. There were signs in the pre-season game of things not being right that we chose to ignore and take into rounds 1 and 2.

Mantis
09-01-2024, 08:22 AM
Aside from tactically getting it completely wrong?

I don't think round 1 and 2 was a pre-season hangover, it really was being victims of a successful deployment of the 4 talls inside 50 against north in the pre-season game. There were signs in the pre-season game of things not being right that we chose to ignore and take into rounds 1 and 2.

Other than deploying 4 talls in the front half what other issues were uncovered?

The Bulldogs Bite
09-01-2024, 10:49 AM
Intriguing is right.

I'm not sure where I place us heading into the new season. The reality is we have stunk it up for 2 years so maybe we're just not as good as we thought we were.

There are plenty of reasons to be excited (JUH, Darcy, Sanders etc) but I think if we are to contend, it actually needs to be driven by the leaders and I'm still uncertain on them.

I think our depth will be better, which is a concept severely underrated by the media. No depth and you're no good. If we get a bit from our 1st-3rd year players + Harmes/Coffield/Bramble, we should have enough to be top 6 but as others have said, a pass mark is top 4 and then the season starts again.

Olddog
09-01-2024, 11:58 AM
I couldn?t completely agree that the list wants for nothing - I see two areas where an improvement is required the first being the pace of our midfield and the second a lack of a classy half forward. Hopefully Harmes and Sanders can improve the midfield pace issue although the loss of Smith in there is a real blow. As for the classy half forward I can?t see that being easily covered but hopefully one of last years or this years draftees emerges in that role

Axe Man
09-01-2024, 12:27 PM
Round one has proven to be reasonable indicator for us at times

- Johnno?s 300th was a great springboard for 08, felt very important at the time?a loss would?ve been demoralising

- Turtle did his knee in one of our only wins for 03, you felt it was going to be tough from there (and was it ever)

Plus the most obvious recent example in 2016 smashing the prior year's minor premiers in Freo.

To counter that the following year we had a good win v Collingwood, but we all know how 2017 panned out.

Brass Dog
09-01-2024, 12:31 PM
Definitely think we?re the most intriguing side for 2024. Such a cull both on field and off field makes it hard to predict what will eventuate. I feel like the list is strong?. hopefully with the change in performance, our fade outs which allowed multiple goal runs will cease. A small spike in goal kicking accuracy would have had us a winning more games in 23. Prediction: Premiers 🥳

MrMahatma
09-01-2024, 01:37 PM
Not that we still can't make top four if we lose to Melbourne, but I think they will be hyped to do well in round one and they are a decent side. Bevo wants us the fittest and best prepared for round one. If we knock them over it would be a good indication to me that we are in for a good season. If give them the sort of hiding CountryDog is speaking of, then the lid is off (for this simpleton anyway!)


Gee that clip is gonna get some airtime if we get rolled by 9 goals again.

Sedat
09-01-2024, 01:53 PM
Intriguing is right.

I'm not sure where I place us heading into the new season. The reality is we have stunk it up for 2 years so maybe we're just not as good as we thought we were.

There are plenty of reasons to be excited (JUH, Darcy, Sanders etc) but I think if we are to contend, it actually needs to be driven by the leaders and I'm still uncertain on them.

I think our depth will be better, which is a concept severely underrated by the media. No depth and you're no good. If we get a bit from our 1st-3rd year players + Harmes/Coffield/Bramble, we should have enough to be top 6 but as others have said, a pass mark is top 4 and then the season starts again.
We should have expectations of being a serious premiership contender this year, both internally and externally. The last 2 seasons have been abject failures and the entire organisation should be on notice to make every moment count right here and now. Pressure to perform is a good thing IMO.

I fully expect us to be in the thick of the action this September.

SonofScray
09-01-2024, 10:55 PM
My expectations are sky high.

Lobb talking about rucking more feels to me like there’s been some reflection on system and team attitudes. If they can can find some fight as a squad, and the supports around them haven’t absolutely misfired again, flag will wag.

Vred
09-01-2024, 11:55 PM
Gee that clip is gonna get some airtime if we get rolled by 9 goals again.

Think the meeedya will be to busy beating the ''fire Bevo'' war drum if that happens.

jeemak
10-01-2024, 12:21 AM
Think the meeedya will be to busy beating the ''fire Bevo'' war drum if that happens.

Reckon that'll be their default even if we're 3-3 after R6. Amazing list, no weaknesses, talent everywhere........no excuses. Bullshit.

As I said above, a couple, maybe a few more wins is an improvement and probably acceptable - depending on how that relates to the broader competition. And that's not even accounting for the fixture, how it's perceived at the start of the year, the middle, and the end irrespective of who and where you play teams in their respective cycles versus yours.

Everyone is going batshit crazy over Carlton and GWS but they each won one more game and respectively had ~+4.5% and ~-1.5% percentage versus us at the end of the home and away season. Credit to them for making their finals count, but we were disastrous and they were amazing.......

Knowing that it's likely we'll be middling, maybe a bit better, maybe capable of surprising, or maybe capable of falling short, I just hope people can keep their shit together.

Dogs Breakfast
21-01-2024, 02:08 PM
Keep it simple. Play blokes in their best position eg Macrae in the guts. Learn to defend centre bounces. Opposition teams stream straight out of the centre far too often. Have a plan when opposition gets multiple goals. Happening far too often for multiple years now.

hujsh
21-01-2024, 03:24 PM
Keep it simple. Play blokes in their best position eg Macrae in the guts. Learn to defend centre bounces. Opposition teams stream straight out of the centre far too often. Have a plan when opposition gets multiple goals. Happening far too often for multiple years now.

I think we all like that mantra in theory. What do you do when there are 5-6 players with that as their best position but only 3 spots? Bont, Libba, Treloar, Macrae, Smith (not an issue this year or maybe ever again), Harmes, Sanders and maybe others could claim the center to be their best position but I'm not sure we can give all of them the time they'd want.

Nuggety Back Pocket
26-01-2024, 11:35 PM
I think we all like that mantra in theory. What do you do when there are 5-6 players with that as their best position but only 3 spots? Bont, Libba, Treloar, Macrae, Smith (not an issue this year or maybe ever again), Harmes, Sanders and maybe others could claim the center to be their best position but I'm not sure we can give all of them the time they'd want.

With Macrae Sanders and Harmes adding to the midfield it should allow the likes of Bont Treloar and also Sanders to spend more time
forward, which is in desperate need of more flexibility and additional goal kickers