Tom Barrass

[jazzadogs]

Making his own thread, as it seems our interest is legitimate and ongoing.

Tom Morris is reporting that he has been offered five years from the Bulldogs. He is contracted for three years at the Eagles plus an extension of one.

Reposting what I just put in the List Management thread...

Never played over 20 games. Starting from his debut season of 2015: 3, 10, 19, 19, 14, 18, 16, 19, 14, 17.

Recent injuries with lengthy layoffs include a stress fracture in his foot in 2019, a hip injury in 2023 and a fractured back which he says he will have to manage for the rest of his career:

"West Coast premiership hero Tom Barrass has opened up on the back injury that almost ended his AFL career and permanently altered his life.
Sitting down with 7NEWS for an exclusive interview, the 28-year-old said he's lucky to still be walking, let alone playing.
Barrass broke his back in a split-second contest against Richmond last year.
"I went up for a mark. Jack Riewoldt came back into me and tunnelled me a little bit. I've gone over and landed on my neck effectively," he told 7NEWS Perth's Ryan Daniels.
'It was a compression fracture to my T8 (vertebrae) and I've wedged about five of my other vertebrae a bit shorter. It's just something I'm going to have to manage forever.
"I'm very lucky that I'm not a paraplegic or quadriplegic."

I think there are good reasons to be concerned about his longevity. I'm a fan of recruiting him, but five years is a big investment...


So I think there are a few key questions about Barrass...
- how many years/what salary do you think is reasonable?
- what trade price do you think is reasonable?
- is he even GETTABLE?

[Go_Dogs]

Lobb > Barrass

[Go_Dogs]

On a serious note, it’s worth consideration as he’ll play for a longer term than Jones and is a quality player.

Would I pay an early first for him? No.

Would I pay a late first and something else? Probably.

Does he keep Buss from the senior side once he’s ready? Maybe.

[hujsh]

Even if he says he wants to come his contract status will make it hard for any deal to happen you'd think. Can see their price being too high and walking away from a first rounder

[Grantysghost]

We need our eye in the sky over in the west to give us their thoughts.

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[bulldogtragic]

A. He’s currently on $750,000 a year according to old reports on Google. You’d have to think that’s the starting point. So let’s look at his comp wide rankings:

* Ranked 9th in One Percenters Per Game
● Ranked 13th in Intercepts Per Game
● Ranked 18th in Time On Ground % Per Game
● Ranked 5th in Total One Percenters
● Ranked 7th in Total Intercepts
● Ranked 12th in Total Contested Marks
● Ranked 17th in Total Marks


So he’s clearly not going backwards in form. 7th for intercepts, 12th for CM. Naughton gets $1.1M and Marra a $1M. Barrass output probably gets him closer to that. Perhaps more around $850,000. If we need to incentivise him to request us, maybe $900,000. Which when accounting for cap rises isn’t massive.

4 years and a 5th trigger similar to Keath sounds fair. Although I’m not against the 5th.

It’s on us to get him to request a trade out and select us. An ok deal ain’t doing that. So unless we want to get him to want to leave and select us, we need to offer a deal that does that. It’s simple. He’s not moving across the country away from family and friends for a similar deal.


B. Let’s say Smith goes to Geelong for their first and a swap of their F1 for our F2. WCE have reportedly shown interest in Garcia according to media reports. Garcia doesn’t hold huge value but may be a player of interest. So perhaps the Geelong first this year (mid teen to late teen pick after compo and bids etc) and Garcia.


C. Don’t know. But his management are clearly letting WCE management know they want the 5th year. So I guess we offer it and see what WCE want to do.

[bulldogtragic]

Does he keep Buss from the senior side once he’s ready? Maybe.

on list transition though. Say Keath retires.

Next year:

Jones, Barass, Lobb, Buss, JOD (Khamis hopefully more 3rd tall with freedom to intercept more), Croft developing and Gardner hanging around

2026:

Barass, Lobb, Buss, JOD, Croft as a third year tall & Khamis


That looks pretty solid the next two years and if Croft & Khamis keep developing, it’s solid longer term too. It basically shores up our KPD & KPF for years (assuming they all re-sign).

[bulldogtragic]

Additionally, if Baz leaves, Tim stays on a fair wage and the club doesn’t bid against itself and say one of Macrae or Daniel looks at another club (media reports of interest in them) then there’s going to be some cash around the place even after Naughty & Marra signing and Darcy needing more, sooner. So I’m not as hung up here if other salary cap decisions are also balanced.

Per the percentage thread I’ve been updating, our scoring this year is above trend. Our defence needs to save a goal a game to get to 2016 & 2021 levels. Barass probably does that for us. He probably helps at least secure one more win this year in which case we are well into the top 8. So it makes a lot of sense.

[bulldogtragic]

This is the grab from Morris:

Tom Barrass (West Coast)

“Tom Barrass is genuinely weighing up what he wants to do.

“I think this is flipping and flopping.

“The Adam Simpson departure I think increases the chances that he stays.

“It's just a waiting game at the moment. Of course, West Coast can hold on to him - he’s got three years remaining on a deal.

“But my understanding is the Dogs would be willing to offer at least two more seasons on top of that.

“So five years for a player who turns 29 soon and as a flow on, it'll be interesting to see how this affects Rory Lobb as well.

“It's just whether he wants to go there and whether West Coast could facilitate that.”

[bulldogtragic]

Morris additionally:

Tim English (Western Bulldogs)

“Tim English is the other one.

“Rivals believe this deal at West Coast is six years and not as lucrative financially as it once was.

“The Dogs have five on the table. That's where it's at and I don't think the Dogs are going to shift too much given Luke Beverage's views on ruckmen.

“He can leave if he wants and I think that looks more likely now than staying.”


(Maybe we let him go as a RFA getting us first round compo and do a trade of say the Geelong first & Garcia.)

[bulldogfan]

But also cal twomey said english was close to signing so don?t know who to believe

[bornadog]

I donot want Barrass on a 5 year deal. He is almost 29 years old and would be 34 in his last year - a big risk.

If it was the 3 years, fine.

I think we need to really put all our development into Buss and back him in. As BT pointed out we do have backups for the Backline roles.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I?m not sold on it by the way. We have a couple of years of Jones left so can see the development of Lobb, JOD, Croft etc this and next year.

Recutting looks really balanced and measles right now.

For mine the latest gap right now is the replacement of Libba, Doc and a Weightman if he is injured

[Jasper]

On a serious note, it’s worth consideration as he’ll play for a longer term than Jones and is a quality player.

Would I pay an early first for him? No.

Would I pay a late first and something else? Probably.

Does he keep Buss from the senior side once he’s ready? Maybe.

He's a quality player but 5 years is a massive commitment. I guess it all depends on how it's structured. Does he want out of WA for any particular reason other than the Eagles are a work in progress and will be for a while? I can't imagine a new coach will want to let hom out of his contract unless he's instructed to rebuild the playing list by the draft.

[Testekill]

I feel he'd cost a lot of resources to bring over, now that Busslinger has re-signed he'd have been the player that I could have seen being the bartering chip to get Barass but I don't think there's a way to satisfy the Eagles without him.

[GVGjr]

I feel he'd cost a lot of resources to bring over, now that Busslinger has re-signed he'd have been the player that I could have seen being the bartering chip to get Barass but I don't think there's a way to satisfy the Eagles without him.

It's a tough one, he's a very good defender but he's obviously after a long deal and West Coast will rightfully want a fair bit to part with him given he's already got a 3 year deal in front of him. Given Lobb's form, and I know it's early days, and that we have the likes of O'Donnell, Busslinger and maybe Croft all developing as potential key defenders how urgently do we actually need Barrass?

Getting him across too the Kennel will require a first rounder and we've typically kept our picks. That probably means we are banking on getting something decent if as many believe Bailey Smith walks.

I'd imagine this is a difficult deal to get done.

[Kingbiggs]

I think it's important to remember we HAVE to offer him 5 years to get him out of there, essentially we want him right now for a flag assault for next 2-3 years, the other years he may be on the list and maybe depth by that stage if his back is no good, but he can be a leader to the younger guys for their development.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

You've gotta pay to play.

How close do we think we are to a flag? What do we think are the missing ingredients? If the answers are very close, and a key back, it's hard to argue with throwing the sink at this.

Would I do it? I'm not sure. Very good player, but injuries concern me and we'd have to cough up a lot to get him.

If we lose English but gain TB + something else, then do it.

[lemmon]

I think to get him out of the Eagles, we'll have to sell the farm - and I don't see how a first-rounder does it unless it's top 5. The guy still has three years on his contract and the Eagles need to start getting better. You don't do that by shipping out one of your best and most experienced leaders.

They'll ask the world for him and I don't want to pay that for a 29-year-old. Even if he does request a trade...so what? They can hold him to his contract and by the time it's up he's going to be 32 and pretty close to the end.

I like him, I think he'd be great for us, but the bloke needs to fire his manager. Sounds like he signed a too-long deal on less than he's worth and they're trying to find a club that's willing to give up a huge amount of draft capital to get him out of it.

[FrediKanoute]

Let see how lobb stands up for the rest of the season. Barass is a great player and would be a good addition, but only at the right price

[GVGjr]

Let see how lobb stands up for the rest of the season. Barass is a great player and would be a good addition, but only at the right price

It's a fair point, a handful of good games even very good ones doesn't necessarily mean we can lock it in.
Teams will work out a way of minimising his strengths.

[bulldogtragic]

It's a fair point, a handful of good games even very good ones doesn't necessarily mean we can lock it in.
Teams will work out a way of minimising his strengths.

Exactly. I’m stoked for Rory & the team. But Schache burst as a defender against Melbourne to accolades and destroyed Allir in the PF. Then was gone the next year. Planning for the future on a handful of good games is folly.

Lobb has played a few good games. Jones is getting older and getting injuries. JOD has a knack for knocking himself out. Coffield struggles to stay fit. Khamis is developing. Keath will retire. Gardner should be delisted next year. Buss & Croft haven’t debuted. So there’s a chance we can get a gun KPD to aggressively pursue a flag and we want to be stingy about trading. Maybe we can push for a flag with a Trav Cloke type, or maybe a Trengove. And keep our picks to develop them so they can walk out in a few years. If Barrass wanted to come and Tim & Baz want to be elsewhere. Then why not take Barrass and a first rounder to draft/trade a midfielder.

[Mofra]

Let see how lobb stands up for the rest of the season. Barass is a great player and would be a good addition, but only at the right price
The 'right price' changes substantially if he was out of contract. Being in contract and in a rebuilding team West Coast will demand a lot to let him go.

[bulldogtragic]

The 'right price' changes substantially if he was out of contract. Being in contract and in a rebuilding team West Coast will demand a lot to let him go.

If we allow Tim to walk there and not demand WCE trade. Additionally offer a first from Baz.

WCE: Tim, First Rounder (GEEL) & Garcia
Dogs: Turn Tim & Baz (& F2) into Barrass, First Rounder (Compo) & F1

Seems like an acceptable outcome if it could be achieved.

[Mantis]

If we allow Tim to walk there and not demand WCE trade. Additionally offer a first from Baz.

WCE: Tim, First Rounder (GEEL) & Garcia
Dogs: Turn Tim & Baz (& F2) into Barrass, First Rounder (Compo) & F1

Seems like an acceptable outcome if it could be achieved.

If you keep trying to trade out Garcia I?m going to find out where you live BT.

[Happy Days]

If you keep trying to trade out Garcia I?m going to find out where you live BT.

Scary Damian Barrett is that you?

We should trade Garcia for Barrass if we can. He’s good!

[bulldogtragic]

If you keep trying to trade out Garcia I?m going to find out where you live BT.

Fair call. I’d actually prefer to keep him. But the media keep talking about him and have linked him with WCE (& Port), so he’s only in this mix based on this being a WCE mix. We’ve kept far inferior players for longer so I hope he’s extended. I think he’s got the potential to be a handy player. But I can see why his manager isn’t hiding down any speculation. With Baz out the door, I’d have thought we’d just quickly give him a quick extension and move on to others. But it’s not happening… but if WCE demanded him ima trade would you say no?

[Mantis]

Fair call. I’d actually prefer to keep him. But the media keep talking about him and have linked him with WCE (& Port), so he’s only in this mix based on this being a WCE mix. We’ve kept far inferior players for longer so I hope he’s extended. I think he’s got the potential to be a handy player. But I can see why his manager isn’t hiding down any speculation. With Baz out the door, I’d have thought we’d just quickly give him a quick extension and move on to others. But it’s not happening… but if WCE demanded him ima trade would you say no?

I would say no.

I'm concerned what out midfield will look like in 2026 and whilst Barrass would be handy, I don't think he's not as important now, as he was 5 weeks ago when Lobb wasn't a viable option as a very competent defender.

Given the time, effort and resources we've put into JOD & Buss they need to be our key defenders when Jones gives it away.

[mighty_west]

I look at our structure and the main reason i would have been all chips in to acquire Barrass was to fill that hole of key defender, just having Jones was never enough as i see JOD, Khamis, Coffield as third talls, with Lobb going back and playing so damn well has shifted my thoughts on Barrass sort of, IF Lobb plays out the rest of the season like this then i'm out on Tom given his likely price tag.

We are in it NOW to contend, we are not a developing side and should be aiming for success this season and beyond and adding Barrass would have plugged that gaping hole for the next 5 or so seasons (back injury pending), but that is now Lobbly's position to grab with both of his bucket hands!

[josie]

I look at our structure and the main reason i would have been all chips in to acquire Barrass was to fill that hole of key defender, just having Jones was never enough as i see JOD, Khamis, Coffield as third talls, with Lobb going back and playing so damn well has shifted my thoughts on Barrass sort of, IF Lobb plays out the rest of the season like this then i'm out on Tom given his likely price tag.

We are in it NOW to contend, we are not a developing side and should be aiming for success this season and beyond and adding Barrass would have plugged that gaping hole for the next 5 or so seasons (back injury pending), but that is now Lobbly's position to grab with both of his bucket hands!

Agree. And hasn’t Lobb been Lobbly, Lobbly, hasn’t he been Lobbly (apologies to Lerner & Lowe).

[Flamethrower]

The reason I am all in for getting Barrass is this. Can you imagine a backline where your 3rd best tall is Liam Jones or Rory Lobb in current form.

Half the teams would forfeit when fixtured to play us rather than being on the receiving end of an annihilation, and the other half would park the bus to limit a massive loss in percentage.

[mjp]

I'd do it.

5 years? Sold.

[Go_Dogs]

I'd do it.

5 years? Sold.

How good has he looked because of their system and McGovern vs how good would he be at our club? You’d have watched a lot more of him than any of us have.

[The Doctor]

Hawthorn now making a play (Cleary)

[azabob]

Hawthorn now making a play (Cleary)

Of course they are.

[Happy Days]

Has there ever been a player that we’ve had interest at this stage of the year that we haven’t got sniped on?

[Bullies]

I'd do it.

5 years? Sold. Agree. No one has an issue with Jones going on next year and Barass would be the same age when he finishes his contract.

[lemmon]

Hawthorn now making a play (Cleary)

Is that an admission that Smith is headed to Geelong?

[chef]

Has there ever been a player that we’ve had interest at this stage of the year that we haven’t got sniped on?

Lobb?

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I look at our structure and the main reason i would have been all chips in to acquire Barrass was to fill that hole of key defender, just having Jones was never enough as i see JOD, Khamis, Coffield as third talls, with Lobb going back and playing so damn well has shifted my thoughts on Barrass sort of, IF Lobb plays out the rest of the season like this then i'm out on Tom given his likely price tag.

We are in it NOW to contend, we are not a developing side and should be aiming for success this season and beyond and adding Barrass would have plugged that gaping hole for the next 5 or so seasons (back injury pending), but that is now Lobbly's position to grab with both of his bucket hands!

The issue right now is. Weeks ago Lobb wanted out. (Apparently). We need to get home signed up and committed to us. Or chase Barrass all chips in.

Very simple really.

[jazzadogs]

The issue right now is. Weeks ago Lobb wanted out. (Apparently). We need to get home signed up and committed to us. Or chase Barrass all chips in.

Very simple really.

Lobb is signed for another two years. The story was that he wanted to leave mid contract.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Lobb is signed for another two years. The story was that he wanted to leave mid contract.

Happy with that. Hopefully that talk has all been silenced and Bevo has got his arms around him whispering sweet nothing in his ear

[mighty_west]

Happy with that. Hopefully that talk has all been silenced and Bevo has got his arms around him whispering sweet nothing in his ear

He just wanted to play AFL and not being stuck in the VFL which is fair enough, that position now in the backline is his for the taking and so far he is grabbing it with both hands.

[hujsh]

Yes with Lobb it was always 'if he can't get into the AFL side he'll ask to leave'

I'd take Barass but if we don't get him just have to hope O'Donnell/Buss come good before Jones goes off

[jeemak]

Is that an admission that Smith is headed to Geelong?

I'm sure Cleary is prepared to admit anything at this stage.

[Grantysghost]

Is that an admission that Smith is headed to Geelong?
Might be something to do with the Josh Battle chase as well.

[1eyedog]

Two games from Lobb and his confidence is high. The problem with Lobb is we've seen this before. At GWS and at Freo and he's done it here. His confidence fluctuates and he starts to struggle.

He's played two good games. Whether we go hard at Barrass is dependent on whether Lobb can finish off the season strongly and give us all a bit of confidence that he's fit for purpose.

I don't expect stellar games like the one he played last week but when he has a less impactful game he still needs to be solid defensively.

At the moment I'm still all in on Barrass.

[bulldogtragic]

Key excerpts from Fox Footy:

Barrass:

The Bulldogs are seen as the front-runner for Barrass, with Morris reporting the Dogs were prepared to offer him “at least five years” to move.


English:

But 7News Perth and The West Australian reported on Wednesday that English had narrowed the call on his future to two possibilities: Remain at the Bulldogs or move to the Eagles, who’ve reportedly tabled a six-year offer for him.

There have been reports this year all signs are pointing to English re-signing with the Dogs on a big-money deal.

But Channel 7 reporter Ryan Daniels on Wednesday wrote on X that English had “warmed to the idea of joining the rebuilding Eagles”, adding the WA lifestyle had “strong appeal”.

Herald Sun reporter Glenn McFarlane said the fact English still remained out of contract beyond this season was “alarming signs” for the Dogs.

“When you get to this stage of a year and no one is even looking at the contract at this stage, that (he leaves) is what you start thinking,” McFarlane told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle.

[bulldogtragic]

If Tim wants their juicy offer, I’d think that puts us in a strong position to grab Barrass. Then go shopping for a ruckman.

[Grantysghost]

Tim leaving would be pretty shit.

I don't think there's anyone who could replace what he does.

Bevo doesn't like your traditional ruckman so there's no way he's getting someone like Pittonet. He'd rather ruck Macrae.

Barrass at least 5 years wow. Ok - so what are they saying? 6?

For a guy with his injury history that would be negligent.

I want him though, if the deal looks right.

[comrade]

I want to keep Timmy but we?d adapt. We need another genuine key defender and Barrass is the best of the possibles out there, so I?d do it. Wish he was 2-3 years younger but if he was, we wouldn?t be getting him.

[Hotdog60]

The thing that shits me about ruckmen is they are always late bloomers so you spend all your time grooming them and when they finally hit there prime someone comes along and waves a juicy carrot in front of them and they piss off and became a stars elsewhere.
May be hybrid rucks are the way to go train your mids to play to a losing ruck and the hybrid either floats to defense or roams up forward.

[bornadog]

Tim leaving would be pretty shit.

I don't think there's anyone who could replace what he does.

Bevo doesn't like your traditional ruckman so there's no way he's getting someone like Pittonet. He'd rather ruck Macrae.

Barrass at least 5 years wow. Ok - so what are they saying? 6?

For a guy with his injury history that would be negligent.

I want him though, if the deal looks right.

Cripps was rucking last week, so shows you how much they rate Pittonet.

Tim is a must keep, as Hotdog60 says, you put in that much time and effort to get the rucks to a certain level, they mature and then what.

I don't want a Pittonet or some other lumbering tall bloke who does nothing around the ground.

Barrass would be great, although 5 years is a concern, but if we snag a Premiership who cares about 5.

Mitch Cleary:


Hawthorn has the cap room for both Barrass + Josh Battle.There?s growing expectation Geelong is fav for Bailey Smith, leaving Hawks with a pick to use for Barrass.Dogs still frontrunners if Barrass leaves. He has links to 2018 flag assistants Sam Mitchell + Daniel Pratt (Dogs)

[Sedat]

English potentially leaving changes the equation significantly in favour of getting Barrass. Lobb might have to change from being the next Glenn Jakovich to the next Dean Cox in 2025, which opens up a significant hole in our readymade key defensive stocks in 2025 (goes without saying Jones is 34yo next year).

We should be targeting another ruckman regardless but the Lobb flexibility piece is becoming ever more critical - he absolutely stays for the next 2 years.

[Mantis]

Cripps was rucking last week, so shows you how much they rate Pittonet.

Tim is a must keep, as Hotdog60 says, you put in that much time and effort to get the rucks to a certain level, they mature and then what.

I don't want a Pittonet or some other lumbering tall bloke who does nothing around the ground.

Barrass would be great, although 5 years is a concern, but if we snag a Premiership who cares about 5.

Mitch Cleary:

Whilst Pittonet isn't someone who gets heavily involved in broken play (maybe he's coached not to?), and hence doesn't take many uncontested marks (which Tim does) he does win his fair share of the ball and is averaging 15 disposals per game this year with Tim at almost 17.

[bulldogtragic]

English potentially leaving changes the equation significantly in favour of getting Barrass. Lobb might have to change from being the next Glenn Jakovich to the next Dean Cox in 2025, which opens up a significant hole in our readymade key defensive stocks in 2025 (goes without saying Jones is 34yo next year).

We should be targeting another ruckman regardless but the Lobb flexibility piece is becoming ever more critical - he absolutely stays for the next 2 years.

Whilst not big on him, I think Ladhams could be cheap and could be packaged with small forward Konstanty. Fairly cheaply. Move VDM back to defence as a small defender. Addresses KPD, running small defender, small forward and cheap ruck. While holding say the compo pick and hopefully just trading the first for Baz and hopefully upgrading a F2 into F1.

Barrass makes us better and we can use Lobb as needed. We get back pretty much the first we gave GCS. We free up the cash and not holding the risk on Tim and concussions if they happen again.

I think we contend more strongly going ahead with Barrass more than English. If it was a one or the other. It’s shaping as a decisive list management period including whether we retain say Macrae or Daniel, or if they request a trade. It has the feel of trade period where we brought in Keath & Bruce and held a first for use on Weightman. Later Stef Martin as a cheap ruck. A period that led to 2021 and what could’ve been but for Bruce’ knee.

[azabob]

Two games from Lobb and his confidence is high. The problem with Lobb is we've seen this before. At GWS and at Freo and he's done it here. His confidence fluctuates and he starts to struggle.



An argument could be made if you include VFL form this is one of Lobb's most consistent years in his career.

But yes, Lobb is still a watch and see.

[GVGjr]

Cripps was rucking last week, so shows you how much they rate Pittonet.

Tim is a must keep, as Hotdog60 says, you put in that much time and effort to get the rucks to a certain level, they mature and then what.

I don't want a Pittonet or some other lumbering tall bloke who does nothing around the ground.

Barrass would be great, although 5 years is a concern, but if we snag a Premiership who cares about 5.

Mitch Cleary:

Does it really show that? TDK was injured during the game and the club has already announced that Pittonet is coming in this week.
They rolled the dice with no back-up ruckman.

[azabob]

Tim leaving would be pretty shit.

I don't think there's anyone who could replace what he does.

Bevo doesn't like your traditional ruckman so there's no way he's getting someone like Pittonet. He'd rather ruck Macrae.

Barrass at least 5 years wow. Ok - so what are they saying? 6?

For a guy with his injury history that would be negligent.

I want him though, if the deal looks right.

Barrass has three years left on his existing deal - we have tabled a five year contract.

Very early on it was reported that Eagles and Barrass had agreed to an extra couple of years - Now West Coast have a new list manager and CEO. The extra two years is no longer guaranteed.

Hence why everyone is now offering five + years.

[jazzadogs]

Cripps was rucking last week, so shows you how much they rate Pittonet.

I saw a stat last week that Cripps is one of the most effective rucks in the competition, in terms of winning the contest and taking possession. He is very good at outmuscling his opponent, grabbing the ball and throwing it on the boot to gain territory. I don't think it's a bad tactic tbh.

[bornadog]

Does it really show that? TDK was injured during the game and the club has already announced that Pittonet is coming in this week.
They rolled the dice with no back-up ruckman.

It was a tongue in cheek when GG mentioned put Macrae in the ruck.

My point is I don't rate rucks like Pittonet. I prefer a Gawn, Grundy, TDK type, which I believe English is.

[bornadog]

I saw a stat last week that Cripps is one of the most effective rucks in the competition, in terms of winning the contest and taking possession. He is very good at outmuscling his opponent, grabbing the ball and throwing it on the boot to gain territory. I don't think it's a bad tactic tbh.

We know Cripps is a Gun

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I'd rather Pittonet + Barrass vs English.

Every day of the week.

[Bullies]

An argument could be made if you include VFL form this is one of Lobb's most consistent years in his career.

But yes, Lobb is still a watch and see. What's to say with the way Lobb's confidence is at the moment that he can't do around the ground what Tim is doing at the moment. He has a big tank and very fit. Get Barass and it frees up Lobb to be the versatile ruckman.

[bulldogtragic]

What's to say with the way Lobb's confidence is at the moment that he can't do around the ground what Tim is doing at the moment. He has a big tank and very fit. Get Barass and it frees up Lobb to be the versatile ruckman.

Saw a clip of an interview with Rory this week. Said he’d like to play wing too. It’s nice to have a big guy willing and excited to play any role for the team.

[Bullies]

Saw a clip of an interview with Rory this week. Said he’d like to play wing too. It’s nice to have a big guy willing and excited to play any role for the team. I did say when we were looking for a spot for him he would make a wingman due to his tank. I still think JOD would make the perfect wingman with his size and pace.

[bulldogtragic]

I did say when we were looking for a spot for him he would make a wingman due to his tank. I still think JOD would make the perfect wingman with his size and pace.

This is the beauty of Barrass.

1. He’s a gun
2. If he frees up Lobb, JOD to play other roles which might be a point of difference or allow us to try some different things or play swingmen too

[bornadog]

My gut feeling is he doesn’t leave WC

[jazzadogs]

Is Rory Lobb our Mark Blicavs?

[MrMahatma]

I'm on the:

- See how Lobb finishes the season, and how Jones' body holds up the rest of the year.
- Ideally use trade/draft capital on the midfield, or even a Doc replacement down back.

I'm getting that pre-season "our list is awesome how do we fit them all in" vibe.

[Angak]

Tom Barrass is a deep thinker. I could see him and Bevo having deep and meaningful conversation on thier philosophical views of enlightenment in the 1700s

[jazzadogs]

Tom Barrass is a deep thinker. I could see him and Bevo having deep and meaningful conversation on thier philosophical views of enlightenment in the 1700s

I saw a clip of him on Dyl Buckley's podcast and he did not sound like a footballer.

[azabob]

Daniel Pratt would know what value Barras can bring as well as inside word on his injury.

[Grantysghost]

Daniel Pratt would know what value Barras can bring as well as inside word on his injury.
AB that's a bingo and I absolutely didn't make the link. Thanks now I feel more confident.

[bulldogtragic]

Good outline of where and why this is from WWOS:

West Coast Eagles star Tom Barrass' future up in the air as Dogs, Hawks circle
Tom Morris


Tom Barrass' future at West Coast is delicately placed, with the defender strongly considering a trade request to the Western Bulldogs or Hawthorn.

This is despite his deal at West Coast stretching until the end of 2027.
The Dogs, who are still seen as the frontrunners, are offering four years and would increase the deal to five seasons if push came to shove.

The Hawks would love to bring in Josh Battle as a free agent and Barrass via a trade in the same way Melbourne set up its 2021 premiership years earlier thanks to the arrivals of Steve May and Jake Lever.

Hawthorn has money, but it's doubtful they would offer a deal as long as five years to a player who is 29 in October. The Dogs aren't as flush with cash, primarily because they need to have enough to satisfy out of contract trio Marcus Bontempelli, Ed Richards and Sam Darcy within 14 months.

But they do have a desire to fill a key defensive hole while in premiership contention and Barrass satisfies this need.
The Dogs and the Hawks are both offering significantly more money than his West Coast deal, which rivals believe is no more than $700,000 per season.

There are differing accounts as to who approached who at the end of 2022. Sydney list boss Kinnear Beatson said it came from Barrass' manager Nick Gieschen, while Barrass said it came from Sydney. Regardless, there were chats. There were also preliminary discussions at the end of 2021 between his management and Sydney.

By the end of 2022 Barrass was not only a premiership player, but also a newly minted best and fairest. He knew what the Swans were prepared to offer if he decided to defect.

With that number in mind, Barrass sat down with senior West Coast officials to talk about his contract, against advice from his agent.

He didn't ask for the Eagles to match Sydney's number, but believed the club should restructure his deal to reflect his true value to the team.

To his delight, West Coast officials agreed. There was a verbal understanding that in time, he would receive a pay bump. Any prospect of joining Sydney ended there and then.

This salary increase arrived only in the last few months. Disappointingly for Barrass, it was so minor that it left the 2018 premiership player believing he is being pushed out in favour of multiple high end draft picks.

"I am a West Coast Eagles player," Barrass said at a media conference on June 26.

"And unless the rug gets pulled out from under my feet, it will stay that way."

For Eagles fans who question the validity of a possible trade, know this: Sharks do not circle unless there is blood in the water.

For the Dogs to have tabled a deal to a player with three seasons remaining, and the Hawks to have registered interest, Barrass must be at the very least open to a move.

In truth, he's further down the line than that - albeit not the whole way - despite his public comments.
And the reason he's exploring a trade is because he feels West Coast hasn't come to the party since the handshake agreement.

Those close to him say Barrass' word means everything to him. It's a value he learned from his late father Tony, who was the first Australian journalist jailed for refusing to reveal a source in 1989.

He feels as if the Eagles haven't remained true to their word, even though the club now has a new list boss and CEO.
The Western Bulldogs do not have a first round selection in 2024, but would look to offer the pick they get for Bailey Smith to West Coast for Barrass, perhaps with some later toggling to satisfy both parties.

Hawthorn's pick No.8 looks particularly juicy, especially when it's likely clubs will be permitted to trade draft capital for 2025 and 2026 this October to break negotiation logjams.

The added year to trade draft picks will give clubs more levers to pull and mean players get to where they want to go with greater ease. It's a win-win.

No wonder North Melbourne and Richmond told the AFL earlier this season they were in favour of trading picks four years in advance, reflecting an NBA model previously seen as too radical on these shores.

On Sunday, Hawthorn assistant coach Adrian Hickmott was in Perth for a private matter and caught up with Barrass for fish and chips at Peter's By The Sea in Scarborough.

Hickmott was Barrass' defensive coach from 2015-17 and the two have remained close, as have Sam Mitchell and Barrass from their time at the Eagles together.

Then on Wednesday morning, Hawthon officials met with Gieschen, who is a high profile agent at Connors Sports Management. It was at this meeting that the Hawks reaffirmed their interest in Gieschen's star client.

The Dogs also have a link via Daniel Pratt, who was a West Coast premiership backline coach in 2018 and is now one of Luke Beveridge's senior offsiders.

Family is important to Barrass, especially since he lost his beloved father to throat cancer in 2021.
He and his wife - who is the late Heath Ledger's step sister - share two young boys. They live in an affluent suburb of Perth and are keen to set themselves up for the next period of their lives.

Rival clubs believe if it was purely up to Barrass, he'd come to Victoria. But there are family considerations and the decision will be a joint one for Tom and Nadia.

Helping the cause for the Dogs and Hawks is Barrass' sister's decision to move to Melbourne in the coming weeks, following her best friend from Sydney.

Ally Barrass is one year older than Tom, and the two are extremely close. It was her decision to move to Sydney a few years ago which first saw the Swans come into the frame.

This Saturday night Barrass will play his 150th game for West Coast, triggering automatic life membership. This is important to him. He loves the club and cherishes the 2018 premiership.

But he has a huge decision ahead. At 28, this will be his last crack at a lucrative, long-term deal. And he knows that.
And if the actions of the Eagles over the past 18 months are anything to go by, they will not stand in his way if compensation matches his value, meaning everything between now and October is just a dance.

[jeemak]

The worst thing you can do to an employee is shake hands, tell them it's going to be OK, and then **** them. They'll mostly take an upfront and ongoing ****ing because expectations level out and end up consistently met.

But plant the seed of expectation, say that justice will be done, and that things will be better then you better deliver it. Because what you get if you don't is this (if it's true, which it's not, until it is).

If any of this is remotely true then it's between us and Hawthorn. WCE by design or otherwise, are out of the race.

[bulldogtragic]

The worst thing you can do to an employee is shake hands, tell them it's going to be OK, and then **** them. They'll mostly take an upfront and ongoing ****ing because expectations level out and end up consistently met.

But plant the seed of expectation, say that justice will be done, and that things will be better then you better deliver it. Because what you get if you don't is this (if it's true, which it's not, until it is).

If any of this is remotely true then it's between us and Hawthorn. WCE by design or otherwise, are out of the race.

Yep on all. If we can offer the extra year, same or more cash, and if any of our players want to WCE (media report two considering it). Hopefully that puts us/keeps us in pole position.

[bulldogtragic]

Jones, Lobb & Barrass would be the most formidable intercepting marking group in the comp next year.

[Go_Dogs]

Jones, Lobb & Barrass would be the most formidable intercepting marking group in the comp next year.

3 headed monster up front, down back.

[bulldogtragic]

3 headed monster up front, down back.

I’d go so far as to say one of if not the best forward line of talks and defensive talls in the comp. Lobb & Jones were outstanding. But replace Khamis or Coff yesterday with an elite interception marking gun, and that unit is outright elite. With support from Dale, Bramble & maybe Doc/VDM is looks great. I’d trade Smith today to get Barrass. With that fifth year, who cares. And as the olde guys retire in comes JOD, Buss & Croft with Barrass leading them.

I would not recall a time in my life time when the tall talent at both ends would be that elite. While the mids are just plodders like Bont, Adz, Ed, Libba, Sanders and co.

[Mantis]

I’d go so far as to say one of if not the best forward line of talks and defensive talls in the comp. Lobb & Jones were outstanding. But replace Khamis or Coff yesterday with an elite interception marking gun, and that unit is outright elite. With support from Dale, Bramble & maybe Doc/VDM is looks great. I’d trade Smith today to get Barrass. With that fifth year, who cares. And as the olde guys retire in comes JOD, Buss & Croft with Barrass leading them.

I would not recall a time in my life time when the tall talent at both ends would be that elite. While the mids are just plodders like Bont, Adz, Ed, Libba, Sanders and co.

At what point does that become too top heavy?

Would prefer we continue to develop the likes of Buku, JOD and Buss in the 3rd role given Lobb looks a very good 2nd option behind the evergreen Jones.

[bulldogtragic]

At what point does that become too top heavy?

Would prefer we continue to develop the likes of Buku, JOD and Buss in the 3rd role given Lobb looks a very good 2nd option behind the evergreen Jones.

I don’t think you’d want to go over that for next year. But with teams with 2-3 key forward or a resting ruck, I think it’s great coverage as particularly Jones & Barrass aren’t lumbering types. Barrass replaces Keath on the list which is a massive upgrade.

Barrass is also the transition for Jones retiring and Lobb perhaps only having two more seasons. Barrass can establish himself and we can bring in JOD, Buss & Croft (if he’s a defender) over time and to cover injuries. There’s also the option of deploying players in other roles or covering injuries too.

I like the move by the club to chase him.

[Angak]

I'm not convinced we haven't pulled out of the race for Barrass given the Lobb developments in recent weeks. Looks like the Barrass to the Hawks talk has ramped up in the last week. I think this makes a lot of sense for us. Hopefully Lobb and Jones can hold down those key positions posts until Croft, Busslinger, JOD, and Buku can take the mantel.

Also, by all reports, this is a deep draft, giving up a mid-to-late first rounder is more costly than other years if the reports of the evenness of the draft are to be believed.

[mjp]

Also, by all reports, this is a deep draft, giving up a mid-to-late first rounder is more costly than other years if the reports of the evenness of the draft are to be believed.

Remember...right now, we don't actually HAVE a first round pick to give up.

[bulldogfan]

Mitch Cleary still said where the front runner if he leaves on the tradiespodcast

[Grantysghost]

Barrass will go to the Hawks or stay at the Eagles I reckon.

Mitchell is already flying over there and sucking up. Not sure that's a good look when he's another teams player!

Love to snag him but really he's injured so often at 29 I can't see it being too fruitful at the likely cost.

Plus we already have a better defender in LOBBSTER TEARS!

[bulldogtragic]

Barrass will go to the Hawks or stay at the Eagles I reckon.

Mitchell is already flying over there and sucking up. Not sure that's a good look when he's another teams player!

Let’s say Hawks miss finals on percentage. Let’s say we finish top 4 on percentage. Let’s say we offer a year longer than Hawks as reported and same/more salary.

He can choose a long, lucrative contract with a top 4 team. With apparently the best facilities in the comp. Rejoin his premiership line coach. Play with some gun players.

We are offering a potentially good deal and overall situation for him. While having players that WCE apparently want and have clearly led the charge early and Hawks are playing catch up. I can see why the journos are saying we are in front.

[dukedog]

I reckon if we win 3 of the next 4 or or win at least 1 final and competitive in the 2nd final. Pull the trigger and offer 5 to get the deal done. if not. 4 is enough. He wont make the difference if we aren't there or there abouts.

[comrade]

Remember...right now, we don't actually HAVE a first round pick to give up.

We've got Geelong's in our back pocket, just need the ink to dry.

[bulldogtragic]

Shit got serious - fox footy:

“the Western Bulldogs are trying their best to stay in the race with The West reporting they’ve offered Barrass a five-year, $5 million deal.”

[bulldogtragic]

Hun reporting after Mitchell meeting Hawks now in front of this race?!?!

Edit: but doesn’t mention our monster offer.

[Mofra]

Shit got serious - fox footy:

?the Western Bulldogs are trying their best to stay in the race with The West reporting they?ve offered Barrass a five-year, $5 million deal.?
Shaysus. If that's true we're set to be active and ruthless this year. CD & Macrae on the move?

[bulldogtragic]

Shaysus. If that's true we're set to be active and ruthless this year. CD & Macrae on the move?

Yep, that took me by surprise. I think we might be very active, especially if we get the nod from Barrass.

[bornadog]

Shit got serious - fox footy:

?the Western Bulldogs are trying their best to stay in the race with The West reporting they?ve offered Barrass a five-year, $5 million deal.?

If you thought Tim wasn't worth that much then this is just ridiculous - over the top

[bulldogtragic]

If you thought Tim wasn't worth that much then this is just ridiculous - over the top

I thought you just trusted Sam Power to take care of things?

[bornadog]

I thought you just trusted Sam Power to take care of things?

I do, I was just having a bit of fun.;)

In all seriousness, he will be 29 at the start of next year, and 5 years takes him 34 years old on big money and with injury issues throughout his career. Guarantee me a premiership in that time, due to his help - then maybe I take it.

[bulldogtragic]

I do, I was just having a bit of fun.;)

In all seriousness, he will be 29 at the start of next year, and 5 years takes him 34 years old on big money and with injury issues throughout his career. Guarantee me a premiership in that time, due to his help - then maybe I take it.

Maybe. I’ll pay Tom Boyd another million on top! :D

[Happy Days]

That’s crazy money that I assume we do not currently have and I’m building a wall around my heart for what it implies.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I thought you just trusted Sam Power to take care of things?
It?s nice to have that sort of confidence but sure we are not a team that the footy world totally trusts week in week out. Throwing money around reminds me of a Carlton model and it has its flaws, personally I like to Geelong model that they do not overpay and attract big name players.

Maybe big dollars now pay off for the next 10 years as we transition to a Geelong model with the main selling points more around facilities, opportunities and success than individual money

[bulldogtragic]

It?s nice to have that sort of confidence but sure we are not a team that the footy world totally trusts week in week out. Throwing money around reminds me of a Carlton model and it has its flaws, personally I like to Geelong model that they do not overpay and attract big name players.

Maybe big dollars now pay off for the next 10 years as we transition to a Geelong model with the main selling points more around facilities, opportunities and success than individual money

Geelong offer huge money. Just half is in brown paper bags.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Geelong offer huge money. Just half is in brown paper bags.

Isn?t that called ?Marketing money?. Imagine if they had a guy that had a huge following on social media, what could they throw at him?

[bulldogtragic]

Isn?t that called ?Marketing money?. Imagine if they had a guy that had a huge following on social media, what could they throw at him?

No it’s called coa$tal life$tyle.

Each club has a marketing budget for players outside the cap. Baz will probably get money funneled through a sponsor in common I’d guess.

Barrass is a gun and I’d have him in a heart beat.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Barrass is a gun and I’d have him in a heart beat.

I?m warming up very much to Barrass myself now. Even more, after Mitchell flew over to fly the Hawks flag.

It reminds me of the Keith trade a few years ago. Suits our needs and allows time for others to develop and not be under pressure. Lobb standing up has really helped and basically allows one key defender to opted out each year for 3 to 4 years and we won?t miss a beat.

3 to 4 years down the track we won?t have Jones, Doc, Lobb, Keith, Bramble, Daniel, Gardener and JJ. Huge turn over and he could actually be the transitional glue we need

[Hotdog60]

Twomey reporting if Barrass goes anywhere it will be the Hawks.

[mighty_west]

Twomey reporting if Barrass goes anywhere it will be the Hawks.

I was all in to try and get Barrass UNTIL Lobb turned into Steve Silvagni, he still would be a great get and really bolster up our back half but given the price tag we could spend more wisely on more of a need, that Port fella Miles Bergman wants back to Melbourne apparently................

[hujsh]

TBH if I were the Hawks I'd be prepared to pay more for Barass than the Dogs and keener to offer the full 5 years he wants.

It's a bit more awkward for us next year with Jones still at the club.

Anyway I'm off to cope more about how any of like 6 clubs can immediately get any player we target with like 5 days worth of prep.

[Cyberdoggie]

Do we still have a need for him? Or is Rory Lobb our saviour?

[bornadog]

Do we still have a need for him? Or is Rory Lobb our saviour?

I am happy with Rory

[Grantysghost]

Lots of outlets reporting the Hawks move is happening and that they'll get Battle as well.

God I couldn't stand another Hawks dynasty, however at 29 with many injury issues 5 years is too much of a commitment for mine.

[jazzadogs]

Lots of outlets reporting the Hawks move is happening and that they'll get Battle as well.

God I couldn't stand another Hawks dynasty, however at 29 with many injury issues 5 years is too much of a commitment for mine.

Feels like Gibson and Lake all over again.

[azabob]

Lots of outlets reporting the Hawks move is happening and that they'll get Battle as well.

God I couldn't stand another Hawks dynasty, however at 29 with many injury issues 5 years is too much of a commitment for mine.

Yep. They have been into Battle for a long time.

Interest in Barrass came late after we began peeling the onion.

[Happy Days]

Yep. They have been into Battle for a long time.

Interest in Barrass came late after we began peeling the onion.

As is tradition.

[GVGjr]

Yep. They have been into Battle for a long time.

Interest in Barrass came late after we began peeling the onion.

Battle is a solid player and has been consistent especially over the last 3 years so he would be a good addition given the Saints would be compensated but not by us if we were interested. I'm not fussed if we were to make a play for him or not.

[Grantysghost]

Yep. They have been into Battle for a long time.

Interest in Barrass came late after we began peeling the onion.
I guess Mitchell being at the Eagles for a bit helped.
I can just see that little smart arse running the dogs down and talking him out of it.

"What can they offer post career? Working at the moccasin factory?!"

[Hotdog60]

I guess Mitchell being at the Eagles for a bit helped.
I can just see that little smart arse running the dogs down and talking him out of it.

"What can they offer post career? Working at the moccasin factory?!"

Not that's there's anything wrong working in a moccasin factory. :)

[jeemak]

I'm happy to let him slide. While I was OK with throwing heaps at him to get him across to give us the best bookends I've ever seen at our club, it's not without a huge risk profile. Lobb can do what he does and I'd also be happy enough to go to a Lobb and Gardner combo with JOD/ Khamis/ Buss in the mix after a preseason with all of those guys working together if things fall over with Jones.

Where I really want to throw money around is at the forward flanks and wings, or at some speed in the midfield with quality focused on at the expense of meaningless touches. Neil Bullen has been on my radar as the type I want in the side for a long time, maybe we can get him across if we really tried.

Happy to be advised of anyone else who fits that bill, because to me that's where we're lacking.

[Bullies]

I'm happy to let him slide. While I was OK with throwing heaps at him to get him across to give us the best bookends I've ever seen at our club, it's not without a huge risk profile. Lobb can do what he does and I'd also be happy enough to go to a Lobb and Gardner combo with JOD/ Khamis/ Buss in the mix after a preseason with all of those guys working together if things fall over with Jones.

Where I really want to throw money around is at the forward flanks and wings, or at some speed in the midfield with quality focused on at the expense of meaningless touches. Neil Bullen has been on my radar as the type I want in the side for a long time, maybe we can get him across if we really tried.

Happy to be advised of anyone else who fits that bill, because to me that's where we're lacking. I'm leaning towards this as well as we desperately need wingers/flankers.

Hawks have to pay overs for both Battle and Barrass with long term deals. A few of their supporters are concerned that with such a young list there will be no coin left to retain the young ones coming out of contract in the next 2 years.

We also need to be start being aggressive in the trades and hit up clubs for their out of contractplayers like they do to us.

[Grantysghost]

I'm happy to let him slide. While I was OK with throwing heaps at him to get him across to give us the best bookends I've ever seen at our club, it's not without a huge risk profile. Lobb can do what he does and I'd also be happy enough to go to a Lobb and Gardner combo with JOD/ Khamis/ Buss in the mix after a preseason with all of those guys working together if things fall over with Jones.

Where I really want to throw money around is at the forward flanks and wings, or at some speed in the midfield with quality focused on at the expense of meaningless touches. Neil Bullen has been on my radar as the type I want in the side for a long time, maybe we can get him across if we really tried.

Happy to be advised of anyone else who fits that bill, because to me that's where we're lacking.

I'm wanting to splash on the midfield although apart from Treloar I don't think we've ever landed anyone of note and have always been draft and develop in this area.

Someone like Finn Callahan or Hayden Young. Guess you can dream! GWS have lost a few in the past from their stocked midfield ranks and you'd wonder how they pay all that talent.


Agree re a proper winger. Kako probably would've been available at our pick as a small forward, but now the NGA rules have changed again for no apparent reason (read the dogs aren't getting a leg up) then the Dons are going to snag him.

[Mofra]

Media leak (read: WCE leak) suggesting the price for Barrass is 2 first round picks.

[bornadog]

Media leak (read: WCE leak) suggesting the price for Barrass is 2 first round picks.

Not worth it

[bulldogtragic]

Media leak (read: WCE leak) suggesting the price for Barrass is 2 first round picks.

Ambit claim. But a fair starting point. Probably a first and something else, but not a first.

[Happy Days]

Feel like we can park this. We’ll spend that Hurley money one day.

[GVGjr]

Media leak (read: WCE leak) suggesting the price for Barrass is 2 first round picks.

More concerning is if Bailey Smith has his heart set on going there. If the Hawks offered their first round picks (this year and next) to West Coast for Barrass they're going to have to get very creative to also land Smith.

By the way, I did read that Ryan Daniels is saying the Hawks offer to Barrass is a 4 year deal not 5.

[jeemak]

Feel like we can park this. We’ll spend that Hurley money one day.

I love that some astute posters are still not fretting about salary cap given we've been keeping Hurley money aside all this time.

[Happy Days]

I love that some astute posters are still not fretting about salary cap given we've been keeping Hurley money aside all this time.

And that’s to say nothing of the Crameri equity.

[Axe Man]

And that’s to say nothing of the Crameri equity.

Is there still a Wingard windfall?

[1eyedog]

Is there still a Wingard windfall?

No that rolled into and was sucked up by the Butters bonus.

[SonofScray]

Requested a trade to Hawthorn.

Might be a bit of fuel if we were serious about him. A bit like when we chased that Essendon bloke who belted the taxi driver but decided not to come.

[Grantysghost]

Requested a trade to Hawthorn.

Might be a bit of fuel if we were serious about him. A bit like when we chased that Essendon bloke who belted the taxi driver but decided not to come.
As soon as they entered the chat you knew what choice he'd make.

I forgot how much I hate Hok tuah thorn.

Although : poor man's Lobb. Be interesting to see if his body holds up.

[jeemak]

Requested a trade to Hawthorn.

Might be a bit of fuel if we were serious about him. A bit like when we chased that Essendon bloke who belted the taxi driver but decided not to come.

We've been earning exceptional interest on the Hurley money these past few seasons. Looking back just keeping it in the bank was the better investment.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

A bit like Wingard and Impey. Choosing hawks over us. Let's make him regret it.

[jeemak]

I feel like the Hawks would have had more money to offer than we did.

[soupman]

I feel like the Hawks would have had more money to offer than we did.

Their vibes are great atm too, surely every player eying off a move would choose Hawthorn over virtually anyone else at if the money was the same, especially if it's better.

[jeemak]

Their vibes are great atm too, surely every player eying off a move would choose Hawthorn over virtually anyone else at if the money was the same, especially if it's better.

To me it's a genuine false dawn with the Hawks but nobody in the media will talk about it.

Their last ten games versus ours have been soft in terms of who they've played. They've lost to all of the hard teams, and while we've done the same in Adelaide it couldn't be more divided between the two outside of that.

We'll do them by fifty points.

[Bullies]

Their vibes are great atm too, surely every player eying off a move would choose Hawthorn over virtually anyone else at if the money was the same, especially if it's better. Problem for Hawks will be when they have to pay up for the younger guys who come out of contract and the money is invested in Barrass/Battle.

[soupman]

Problem for Hawks will be when they have to pay up for the younger guys who come out of contract and the money is invested in Barrass/Battle.

I expect they are very front loaded. They can't have too many big contracts they are paying atm.

[bulldogtragic]

I expect they are very front loaded. They can't have too many big contracts they are paying atm.

Yep. Only last year Mitchell was pushing hard to sell their salary cap space for draft picks. Barrass & Battle will be good gets for them, unfortunately.

[comrade]

To me it's a genuine false dawn with the Hawks but nobody in the media will talk about it.

Their last ten games versus ours have been soft in terms of who they've played. They've lost to all of the hard teams, and while we've done the same in Adelaide it couldn't be more divided between the two outside of that.

We'll do them by fifty points.

Yeah, we've been the cool young team before and the good vibes have a shelf life.

[jeemak]

Yeah, we've been the cool young team before and the good vibes have a shelf life.

Watch them smash us by 70 points on the way to a flag!

[Bigdog]

Yep. Only last year Mitchell was pushing hard to sell their salary cap space for draft picks. Barrass & Battle will be good gets for them, unfortunately.

I think both Barass and Battle are good player, but I think hawthorn have been able to play out of their skin this year as they are fast and unconventional. Going to more a traditional set up next season may not net them wins if they become more predictable.

[josie]

Watch them smash us by 70 points on the way to a flag!

Nets.

[Mofra]

Watch them smash us by 70 points on the way to a flag!
The only 'good' team they've pushed in the past 10 weeks is GWS.
We should be confident

[comrade]

The only 'good' team they've pushed in the past 10 weeks is GWS.
We should be confident

They did beat Freo when they were in the top 4. And Collingwood who were 6th. But they?ve also had some very easy kills over the last 3 weeks, including Carlton who were completely cooked by injury.

[jeemak]

To me it's a genuine false dawn with the Hawks but nobody in the media will talk about it.

Their last ten games versus ours have been soft in terms of who they've played. They've lost to all of the hard teams, and while we've done the same in Adelaide it couldn't be more divided between the two outside of that.

We'll do them by fifty points.


Yeah, we've been the cool young team before and the good vibes have a shelf life.


Watch them smash us by 70 points on the way to a flag!


The only 'good' team they've pushed in the past 10 weeks is GWS.
We should be confident

That was my initial feeling, and remains so. Was just mucking around.

[jeemak]

Nets.

I'd be too much of an easy kill, josie.

[bulldogtragic]

WCE:

Two first rounders or no trade.

[G-Mo77]

WCE:

Two first rounders or no trade.

Fair.enough. They don't have to trade him.

[hujsh]

WCE:

Two first rounders or no trade.

Considering right now we have 1 future first I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of why he chose the Hawks. Aside from all the other reasons he might have.

[bornadog]

Fair.enough. They don't have to trade him.

They should stick to their guns

[Bulldog Revolution]

Its going to be fascinating to watch how it plays out with Barrass in terms of what the Hawks pay

[GVGjr]

Its going to be fascinating to watch how it plays out with Barrass in terms of what the Hawks pay

West Coast will rightly ask for the world so the Hawks will have to do some maneuvering to make it happen.

[bulldogtragic]

In limbo. Reports Hawks had enough of WCE demands and just did the deal with Carlton.

Do we make another phone call or leave it?

[bulldogtragic]

For argument sake the deal WCE were slow walking was 14 and F2 for TB & F3 - 14 for Baker with Richmond happy

Say WCE won’t trade now. Say we get 17 & F1 for BS & F2

We can offer 17 and Geelong’s F1 for WCE F2 - 17 for Baker

WCE get two firsts (one drops into the 20’s and the other is an upgrade, but still two firsts) - We turn BS into Barrass & upgrade our second rounder…

Probably a better offer than the Hawks. If we were deadly serious about TB and if his only way out now is us?

[Go_Dogs]

Was happy enough to pass on him, but if it meant stuffing over the Hawks I’m for it.

[bornadog]

Explanation on X when I asked why did Hawks do this:

Because it basically created a bonus 2nd rounder out of thin air.
Even if Carlton win the premiership we still win the trade on points. If Carlton finish 4th or lower its a free second rounder.

We can now trade f1, f2(calton), f3(hawthorn) to Eagles for f3 and barras.

That's the exact same trade we already proposed (14 + f2 for barras and f3) but now there an extra f2 in there to satisfy westcoast while giving them more leverage to go for warner)
If barras deal falls through we have 2 r1s and 2 r2s next year to make something happen

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I'm still not getting it. Will wait for BT.

[bulldogtragic]

That’s a generous interpretation from X. That assumes that all works for WCE & Richmond with Baker. It will be genius or stupidity. Right now I’m not sure it’s the latter.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm still not getting it. Will wait for BT.

Sounds like a hawks fan trying to justify maybe missing their big fish.

[hujsh]

Explanation on X when I asked why did Hawks do this:

Because it basically created a bonus 2nd rounder out of thin air.
Even if Carlton win the premiership we still win the trade on points. If Carlton finish 4th or lower its a free second rounder.

We can now trade f1, f2(calton), f3(hawthorn) to Eagles for f3 and barras.

That's the exact same trade we already proposed (14 + f2 for barras and f3) but now there an extra f2 in there to satisfy westcoast while giving them more leverage to go for warner)
If barras deal falls through we have 2 r1s and 2 r2s next year to make something happen

So, they aren't adding the extra f2? Just keeping their own now?

Not sure their supposition that it satisfies WC works either. A f1 means a lot more and is less likely to be compromised than a f2. They wanted two R1s and were prepared to add a f2 to act as a pick downgrade (likely one of the best 2nd round picks in the draft) and I doubt that position changes

[bulldogtragic]

So, they aren't adding the extra f2? Just keeping their own now?

Not sure their supposition that it satisfies WC works either. A f1 means a lot more and is less likely to be compromised than a f2. They wanted two F1s and were prepared to add a f2 to act as a pick downgrade (likely one of the best 2nd round picks in the draft) and I doubt that position changes

Absolutely. I’d give them 17 & F1 (Geel) for Barrass & F2 right now. Hawks a little cute for a bloke under contract.

[bulldogtragic]

Absolutely. I’d give them 17 & F1 (Geel) for Barrass & F2 right now. Hawks a little cute for a bloke under contract.

Reading some more. WCE look to have committed to getting something between 15-20 for Barrass to give to Richmond and secure Baker. That was apparently a commitment. WCE seem furious at Hawthorn.

Our potential picks line up nicely to save the day for everyone. We were TB other likely landing spot. If TB wants out guaranteed maybe we aren’t so bad after all?

Per above: Smith turns into Barass & upgraded future second rounder (ours to eagles). That’s a win for us. Eagles get the trade they want. Richmond and Baker are happy too. This is a window if we want to try to force ourselves into it.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

It would be funny if that happened, but Hawthorn would have articulated their plans to TB. I still think it gets done.

If we could use the picks from BS to get into the top 12 picks I'd rather that than TB. If we can't and we are stuck with Geelong's first, I'd rather TB.

[bulldogtragic]

It would be funny if that happened, but Hawthorn would have articulated their plans to TB. I still think it gets done.

If we could use the picks from BS to get into the top 12 picks I'd rather that than TB. If we can't and we are stuck with Geelong's first, I'd rather TB.

Looks like the bidding on Essendon’s Pick 9 will be fierce. At least two F1’s and I’d suggest our second and third this year (plus the F2 that goes to Geelong) assuming CD & Macrae leave to get us back in the draft.

I’d look at both. But if the Eagles just shut down the trade now and we position ourselves as the only solution to all parties. Maybe Barrass has a good think about us. We just need to convince WCE to not accept the offer which they don’t want to anyway. If WCE refuse to deal, but make clear our deal is acceptable to them, us & Richmond. Then it’s up to Barrass to suck it up another season, or come back to Victoria for a large contract with us.

We could really turn some screws unless we are in the Pick 9 bidding war.

[Grantysghost]

Reading some more. WCE look to have committed to getting something between 15-20 for Barrass to give to Richmond and secure Baker. That was apparently a commitment. WCE seem furious at Hawthorn.

Our potential picks line up nicely to save the day for everyone. We were TB other likely landing spot. If TB wants out guaranteed maybe we aren’t so bad after all?

Per above: Smith turns into Barass & upgraded future second rounder (ours to eagles). That’s a win for us. Eagles get the trade they want. Richmond and Baker are happy too. This is a window if we want to try to force ourselves into it.
That might be just palatable enough for everyone.

At its core.

Smith to Cats, 15 to Dogs.
15 to Eagles, Barrass to Dogs.
Baker to Eagles, 15 to Tigers.

[hujsh]

It would be funny if that happened, but Hawthorn would have articulated their plans to TB. I still think it gets done.

If we could use the picks from BS to get into the top 12 picks I'd rather that than TB. If we can't and we are stuck with Geelong's first, I'd rather TB.

I would not be surprised if part of the pitch was 'we have the currency to get you here. With the Dogs you'll be waiting for them to deal with Geelong. Do you want to be waiting til the last minutes of the trade period to know if you'll be coming to Victoria with your fate in the hands of Andrew Mackie?'

[bulldogtragic]

I would not be surprised if part of the pitch was 'we have the currency to get you here. With the Dogs you'll be waiting for them to deal with Geelong. Do you want to be waiting til the last minutes of the trade period to know if you'll be coming to Victoria with your fate in the hands of Andrew Mackie?'

Yep, I agree. Hawks are banking on WCE and Richmond folding for future picks which I don’t think suits either. If we can make them allies here it’s at least interesting if we still want Barrass. If we pulled off BS & F2 for 17 & F1 - which I don’t absolutely love - and turned that into Barrass and a much better F2 then I’d be stoked. That still means we a F1 too with a good F2.

I reckon Sam Power’w weekend got busier.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Fox footy treating the Eagles like they would treat us.

"Have the Eagles missed a trick by waiting too long to deal with the hawks for Tom Barrass?"

Basically they're having a go at the Eagles for not bending over to "Dermies great club".

[bulldogtragic]

That might be just palatable enough for everyone.

At its core.

Smith to Cats, 15 to Dogs.
15 to Eagles, Barrass to Dogs.
Baker to Eagles, 15 to Tigers.

Replicating the deal the Hawks (14, ours 17 so close enough) told WCE to **** off:

(BS & F2, for 17 & F1)

Dogs: Barrass, WCE F2 - Pick 17, F1 (Geel)
WCE: Baker, F1 (Geel) - Barrass, F2
Rich: Pick 17 - Baker


Hypothetically Pick 25 for CD, 27 for Jack with some salary

Dogs: 2024: Barrass, 25 (CD), 27, 35, 48 and Konstanty type (6 ins, 6 outs BS, CD, Jack, AOD, Keath & Bedendo)
Dogs: 2025: F1, F2 (WCE), F3, F4
Dogs: 2026: West & Cooney

[bulldogtragic]

Fox footy treating the Eagles like they would treat us.

"Have the Eagles missed a trick by waiting too long to deal with the hawks for Tom Barrass?"

Basically they're having a go at the Eagles for not bending over to "Dermies great club".

Missed a trick keeping one of the best defenders in the league for next season if not traded?

Ha!

[GVGjr]

Is Barrass regarded as a good team man? Or more of a talented individual?

[bulldogtragic]

Is Barrass regarded as a good team man? Or more of a talented individual?

Seems to be both to me. Is he not?

[GVGjr]

Seems to be both to me. Is he not?
I don't really know. We need good leaders if we are going to bring in older players and from memory he's a bit of a different character. I can live with that if he sets standards

[kruder]

Prefer lobby to be honest

[bornadog]

Prefer lobby to be honest
Same

[bulldogtragic]

Prefer lobby to be honest

Or Keath? Or Gardner? Or Khamis? Or Jones after next year? Or undebuted kids?

Barrass probably never gets here. But I think he makes us a much better outfit for several seasons.

[kruder]

Or Keath? Or Gardner? Or Khamis? Or Jones after next year? Or undebuted kids?

Barrass probably never gets here. But I think he makes us a much better outfit for several seasons.

Understand your point but yeah we need one of the kids to play along side Jones/Lobby next year it's time that they take the next step. I'm happy enough to go with with what we have with Naughty still the wildcard if the 3 talls continue to struggle considering he is on a long term deal I would be putting him back if required.

[bulldogtragic]

Understand your point but yeah we need one of the kids to play along side Jones/Lobby next year it's time that they take the next step. I'm happy enough to go with with what we have with Naughty still the wildcard if the 3 talls continue to struggle considering he is on a long term deal I would be putting him back if required.

I love your optimism that Bevo would do that! :D

[jeemak]

I was all in for Barrass until Lobb decided he was awesome as a defender. We're exposed with Jones I think, but we need to blood Buss and that's a risk I'm prepared to take.

Whatever we have close to the top end of the draft order needs to go towards a midfielder. If that's Butters a year before he's due to arrive, then fine, otherwise it's at the draft.

We weren't ever in Barrass's plans and it seems he's been out of ours for a while, leave it be for mine.

[Go_Dogs]

I was all in for Barrass until Lobb decided he was awesome as a defender. We're exposed with Jones I think, but we need to blood Buss and that's a risk I'm prepared to take.

Whatever we have close to the top end of the draft order needs to go towards a midfielder. If that's Butters a year before he's due to arrive, then fine, otherwise it's at the draft.

We weren't ever in Barrass's plans and it seems he's been out of ours for a while, leave it be for mine.

Agree with this.

Hopefully that we’ve signed Buss and reports on WOOF re his development bode well for a role in the senior side during 2025. He’s our future. We’ve seen enough to back him. Let’s see how it goes.

We have maybe 3 midfielders under 25 who are or could be A grade by my estimations. Richards if he isn’t already, Sanders, and Freijah. Not all of these are A grade next year, but as a 3-5 year midfield it has enough. We really need that one elite burst midfielder
Though and or a defensive well rounded mid.

We also need to prioritise flankers who can run (and may blossom into midfielders).

I don’t think TB in = flag in 2025 or 2026.

I feel getting the right couple of choices in the first 30 might mean a flag in 2027 or 2028 - that seems a better bet with the age profile of our taller players.

Anyway… well hopefully draft TB and win 3 flags in a row, proven me an idiot.

[jeemak]

I think we can win a flag in the next two years but a lot has to go right. I look at the small forward of centre runners/ goal kickers at Brisbane, compare them to ours and know that's where our deficiencies are. But, they can all improve an have a really good year.

[GVGjr]

Or Keath? Or Gardner? Or Khamis? Or Jones after next year? Or undebuted kids?

Barrass probably never gets here. But I think he makes us a much better outfit for several seasons.

There is no doubt he's a best 22 player for us and every other side. I guess the question is more around would Barrass fill a position of genuine need for us next season and could we fit him in alongside of Jones and Lobb? Longer term he makes a lot more sense for us.

Lets say the Hawks movement with their picks means the deal falls over so where would it leave us?
- Have we done a medical with him and has he toured the facility and met any of the players?
- Is he still open to coming to us after preferring the Hawks?
And this is the most important thing from my perspective
- Does he want to come to help us challenge for a flag or is it that we will pay him more than the Eagles are prepared to?

It's probably unlikely that a deal won't be struck with the Hawks but if we are still interested we need to start reaching out now to test his desire to come too us.

[bulldogtragic]

There is no doubt he's a best 22 player for us and every other side. I guess the question is more around would Barrass fill a position of genuine need for us next season and could we fit him in alongside of Jones and Lobb? Longer term he makes a lot more sense for us.

Lets say the Hawks movement with their picks means the deal falls over so where would it leave us?
- Have we done a medical with him and has he toured the facility and met any of the players?
- Is he still open to coming to us after preferring the Hawks?
And this is the most important thing from my perspective
- Does he want to come to help us challenge for a flag or is it that we will pay him more than the Eagles are prepared to?

It's probably unlikely that a deal won't be struck with the Hawks but if we are still interested we need to start reaching out now to test his desire to come too us.

I’m not prepared to bet he comes our way, more so we can position ourselves to try to wedge in. The fact it was between us and Hawks and he has a relationship with Pratty is a sign I think it’s in the outside chance. If we wanted him, I agree, we need to working the phones this weekend to Barrass as I think our picks unlock all the deals. If he’s not interested that’s fine. But I’d make the call especially if we can’t get 9 or 13 in upgrade pick trades.

[bornadog]

Cal Twomey:

Hawthorn has put another offer to the Eagles for Tom Barrass - a future first and a future second round pick (Eagles could choose between Hawthorn’s own or Carlton’s) for Barrass and a future third rounder. Big few days ahead.

[bulldogtragic]

Cal Twomey:

Hawthorn has put another offer to the Eagles for Tom Barrass - a future first and a future second round pick (Eagles could choose between Hawthorn’s own or Carlton’s) for Barrass and a future third rounder. Big few days ahead.

I’d tell them to GAGF.

[soupman]

Cal Twomey:

Hawthorn has put another offer to the Eagles for Tom Barrass - a future first and a future second round pick (Eagles could choose between Hawthorn’s own or Carlton’s) for Barrass and a future third rounder. Big few days ahead.

Should be able to make it that they get the better of the two picks instead of maybe choosing the worse one.

Whether that would be from the outset or a promise from Hawthorn that they'll trade them the other one next year if it pans out they chose wrong.

[Grantysghost]

I’d tell them to GAGF.
He's contracted so they should.

[GVGjr]

Cal Twomey:

Hawthorn has put another offer to the Eagles for Tom Barrass - a future first and a future second round pick (Eagles could choose between Hawthorn’s own or Carlton’s) for Barrass and a future third rounder. Big few days ahead.

It's a brilliant strategy by the Hawks if it comes off. Essentially they would get Barrass for a F1 and a sweetener coming back too them given the extra F2 they have offered is the bonus pick Carlton coughed up.
If the trade doesn't go through they have 2 x F1 and 2 x F2 for next seasons draft

[bulldogtragic]

It's a brilliant strategy by the Hawks if it comes off. Essentially they would get Barrass for a F1 and a sweetener coming back too them given the extra F2 they have offered is the bonus pick Carlton coughed up.
If the trade doesn't go through they have 2 x F1 and 2 x F2 for next seasons draft

If the trade doesn’t go through they’ve completely burned Barrass for a late F2 and don’t have either Barrass or a shiny draftee playing next year.

[hujsh]

It's a brilliant strategy by the Hawks if it comes off. Essentially they would get Barrass for a F1 and a sweetener coming back too them given the extra F2 they have offered is the bonus pick Carlton coughed up.
If the trade doesn't go through they have 2 x F1 and 2 x F2 for next seasons draft

If you were WCE you'd be forgiven for saying 'that sweetener is actually ours now if you want Barrass. We had plans for 14 but can work with what you got from Carlton for it. F1 and 2 F2s pls and thanks'

Or, 'well our target is now moving to our rival so we're less motovated to sell. 2 firsts pls and thanks.' I might be generous and send a F3 back on that one.

[bulldogtragic]

Eagles fans on the socials sounds like they’ll burn the club to the ground if they willingly get bent over. I think the club/WCE are in a tough spot in a few different ways with the trade and members (by extension sponsors).

Unless Barrass wants elsewhere, they need to keep him.

[mjp]

It's a brilliant strategy by the Hawks if it comes off. Essentially they would get Barrass for a F1 and a sweetener coming back too them given the extra F2 they have offered is the bonus pick Carlton coughed up.
If the trade doesn't go through they have 2 x F1 and 2 x F2 for next seasons draft

Why? They committed to Barrass and part of doing that is being prepared to do what it takes to get him. No-one thinks pick 14 was enough - to be fair, my world is WA centric - but that seemed really unlikely to me...and now they have sent that away and have shafted the player...

I don't get how this is a brilliant strategy. They have made commitments and not honoured them - there 100% should be a penalty. How this is being reflected in the media as WCE's fault whereas Richmond are well within their rights to expect 6+23 for Rioli, 10+11 for Bolton and 15 for Baker has me absolutely stuffed.

What is happening right now - is everyone who reports on the AFL a moron?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Why? They committed to Barrass and part of doing that is being prepared to do what it takes to get him. No-one thinks pick 14 was enough - to be fair, my world is WA centric - but that seemed really unlikely to me...and now they have sent that away and have shafted the player...

I don't get how this is a brilliant strategy. They have made commitments and not honoured them - there 100% should be a penalty. How this is being reflected in the media as WCE's fault whereas Richmond are well within their rights to expect 6+23 for Rioli, 10+11 for Bolton and 15 for Baker has me absolutely stuffed.

What is happening right now - is everyone who reports on the AFL a moron?

I think the answer is a resounding yes. It's pretty clear.

[GVGjr]

Why? They committed to Barrass and part of doing that is being prepared to do what it takes to get him. No-one thinks pick 14 was enough - to be fair, my world is WA centric - but that seemed really unlikely to me...and now they have sent that away and have shafted the player...

I don't get how this is a brilliant strategy. They have made commitments and not honoured them - there 100% should be a penalty. How this is being reflected in the media as WCE's fault whereas Richmond are well within their rights to expect 6+23 for Rioli, 10+11 for Bolton and 15 for Baker has me absolutely stuffed.

What is happening right now - is everyone who reports on the AFL a moron?

It's the 'if it comes off' part that's the key and I don't like it's chances.
Mitchell flew over made his pitch and won over Barrass. Now the deal is in jeopardy because of how the Hawks have on-traded the pick. Barrass might be concerned now but if WC bow to it he won't really care.

[Grantysghost]

@mjp now and for a long while. There's agendas within agendas.

Probably plenty of kick backs to drive a narrative too.

[jazzadogs]

It's the 'if it comes off' part that's the key and I don't like it's chances.
Mitchell flew over made his pitch and won over Barrass. Now the deal is in jeopardy because of how the Hawks have on-traded the pick. Barrass might be concerned now but if WC bow to it he won't really care.

I think part of the point though, is that 14 already wasn't enough (Especially when you compare to the Rioli/Bolton prices). Now Hawthorn have further reduced the value they can offer.

West Coast should just shut down negotiations, as mjp said. Sorry Tom but your wannabe new club didn't deal in good faith so we couldn't get you where you wanted.

[Rocco Jones]

I don't get how this is a brilliant strategy. They have made commitments and not honoured them - there 100% should be a penalty. How this is being reflected in the media as WCE's fault whereas Richmond are well within their rights to expect 6+23 for Rioli, 10+11 for Bolton and 15 for Baker has me absolutely stuffed.

What is happening right now - is everyone who reports on the AFL a moron?

I think they are following an algo/have a set plan.

Back in the big Melbourne club over small Melbourne or interstate club.

No one goes for the Eagles here, no point really backing them. Well, other than the truth, fairness, integrity but lolz at that.

Melbourne is a funny with demogs. No one club has majority of audience, so AFL media generally go with negativity as the majority are okay with opposition clubs getting shit. Clubs like ours and the other 3 smaller Melbourne clubs, we'd make up what? 3-4% of the audience. Such an easy one to smash.

Hawks are big and have plenty of mates. Who cares what's right or wrong, most of SEN's audience rather them be pro Hawks than pro Eagles. Same as Tigers and Freo. Same as Cats and us. Not trying to be emotional here, just clear that the truth, fairness and integrity all don't really matter.

[bulldogtragic]

Hun:

The bomb was put under Barrass on Friday, when the pick 14 that all expected to be part of Hawthorn?s trade for him ended up at Carlton.

Now the Hawks only really have future selections to use, given they hold 33, 71 and 77 in this draft.

If West Coast wanted pick 14 and more, a Hawthorn or Carlton future first in a lesser draft can?t be that appetising.

Fascinating where this one leads, does a different club get involved for the full-back?

[mjp]

Fascinating where this one leads, does a different club get involved for the full-back?

The players association has power and needs to step in.

Hawthorn - like Brisbane did when they had recruited Dunkley - approached a player who belonged to another club (JD was coming ooc but was NOT ooc when they approached him) and convinced him to request a trade to their club.

They then traded away the key asset they had which could be used to facilitate a trade.

It is crap. It is dishonest. And people (Damien Barrett, Brad Johnson and whatever other muppet who was on Trade Radio on Friday night opened the show with this) credit them for being 'Brilliant' and going 'ALL IN'.

They need to invoke the most famous half-time speech made by a coach ever (and made by a coach of their club): "Pay the Price".

You want the key defender you so desperately need: "Pay the Price". Don't settle for the half-price pair of shoes that don't quite fit (Josh Battle) - if you want Barrass, pay the price.

They don't want to. They should miss out. And the PA should be speaking loudly and proudly about this issue....the problem is that the prez is Dangerfield who plays for a club complicit in this 'tactic'.

If I was a Hawthorn supporter right now I'd be embarrassed with the way the club was conducting itself. And if this doesn't work out (and Barrass stays/goes elsewhere), what do you think 2025 contract targets are going to think...the karma bus is coming.

[mighty_west]

The players association has power and needs to step in.

Hawthorn - like Brisbane did when they had recruited Dunkley - approached a player who belonged to another club (JD was coming ooc but was NOT ooc when they approached him) and convinced him to request a trade to their club.

They then traded away the key asset they had which could be used to facilitate a trade.

It is crap. It is dishonest. And people (Damien Barrett, Brad Johnson and whatever other muppet who was on Trade Radio on Friday night opened the show with this) credit them for being 'Brilliant' and going 'ALL IN'.

They need to invoke the most famous half-time speech made by a coach ever (and made by a coach of their club): "Pay the Price".

You want the key defender you so desperately need: "Pay the Price". Don't settle for the half-price pair of shoes that don't quite fit (Josh Battle) - if you want Barrass, pay the price.

They don't want to. They should miss out. And the PA should be speaking loudly and proudly about this issue....the problem is that the prez is Dangerfield who plays for a club complicit in this 'tactic'.

If I was a Hawthorn supporter right now I'd be embarrassed with the way the club was conducting itself. And if this doesn't work out (and Barrass stays/goes elsewhere), what do you think 2025 contract targets are going to think...the karma bus is coming.

Yeah i laughed out loud when they were drooling all over the Hawks for being impatient and doing what they wanted, it's typical of the media in Melbourne (i still watch Fox Footy and listen to SEN in Brisbane), it's just pathetic how they mooch up to the "bigger Melbourne clubs".

That's the difference also with most past players and media people, they really have no idea what players are worth, they just like to see the deals being done and clubs doing what they like basically to make things happen.

The "don't settle for the half-price pair of shoes that don't quite fit (Josh Battle)" has been given a gold deluxe juicy contract, i guess most scribes see him as the next Josh Gibson anyway even though he was just a handy half decent backman at the Saints, although originally a forward when first drafted, also the Perryman deal to Pies for what was it, $900,000 per season for 6? I mean, that's Adam Treloar all over again, isn't it? yet nothing from the media scrutinizing the Pies over a decent player but no star, we've seen that movie before, the Pies won the flag after their horrendous clean out of overpaid players, so that makes it ok i guess.

[mjp]

(i still watch Fox Footy and listen to SEN in Brisbane).

I get suckered into trade radio through my podcast app every year...this year more than ever because the Smith stuff and the commentary around it is really triggering me.

I've really been questioning my Fox Footy watching over the last 12-months...I watch less and less. I can't watch On the Couch anymore, the 'Tackle' is dumb, 360 was a news show but has become the world according to Gerard (who I maintain doesn't actually understand football beyond the tribunal and goal review) and First Crack is OK....

Jack White's new album is truly epic and the lyrics to What's the Rumpus sum it up:
=======
I've got a feeling that the truth's become opinion these days
That train has left the station but our love will grow
It's floor to ceiling unappealing but who cares what they say
'Cause it doesn’t matter who, it only matters what you know
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Truth has become opinion - as long as that is an opinion held by a peanut like Kane Cornes.

[jeemak]

People get telling it like it is and telling as they see it mixed up. It's across all forms of media and is toxic AF.

[azabob]

Seconded how good Jack Whites new album is.

[mjp]

Seconded how good Jack Whites new album is.

Yes mate - it is simply an incredible release. He actually has some explaining to do as to what has actually been going on for 20 years...not a single song off - say, Blunderbuss - is good enough to be on this record.

[azabob]

Yes mate - it is simply an incredible release. He actually has some explaining to do as to what has actually been going on for 20 years...not a single song off - say, Blunderbuss - is good enough to be on this record.

Agree. It came out of nowhere.

Punters who visited his record label shop Third Man Records would get it as a “give away”

Love him or hate him Jack White has always done it his way.

[hujsh]

So the most important thing I learn from this thread will be I need to listen to a new Jack White Album

[mjp]

So the most important thing I learn from this thread will be I need to listen to a new Jack White Album

You wont regret it.

Old Scratch Blues is a bit of a slow opener (but good)...from there to the end (with the exception of Bombing Out which I think he wrote as he played) is unreal...

[mighty_west]

Yes mate - it is simply an incredible release. He actually has some explaining to do as to what has actually been going on for 20 years...not a single song off - say, Blunderbuss - is good enough to be on this record.

I actually really like Blunderbuss (i guess it's all subjective to what we like and think is best), Lazaretto is cool and has cool gimmicks like the angel hologram, the one after that i ended up giving away, nice hip hop inspired grooves but the songs didn't do anything for me, will have to give his newie a spin.

Fox Footy, i also have been watching less and less despite not living in the heart of the AFL anymore but do listen to a lot of SEN and Trade radio.

[bulldogtragic]

Hawks playing hardball to the end.

Refusing to budge, even though WCE rejected it a few times but maybe saw weakness today: F1 & F2 for Barrass & F3

[1eyedog]

Hawks playing hardball to the end.

Refusing to budge, even though WCE rejected it a few times but maybe saw weakness today: F1 & F2 for Barrass & F3

Not ideal for them WC need picks now at the beginning of a rebuild.

Clearly wanted to use that pick 14 this year.

[Axe Man]

Not ideal for them WC need picks now at the beginning of a rebuild.

Clearly wanted to use that pick 14 this year.

Seems fairly likely they will be chasing Chad Warner hard next year so the future picks suit them.

Pick 14 was going to be used on Baker but the hawks screwed them and forced them to split pick 3 as they had made a commitment to Baker. Wouldn't it be nice if another club cottoned on to this attitude and followed through on their commitment to Baylie Smyff in good faith?

[1eyedog]

Seems fairly likely they will be chasing Chad Warner hard next year so the future picks suit them.

Pick 14 was going to be used on Baker but the hawks screwed them and forced them to split pick 3 as they had made a commitment to Baker. Wouldn't it be nice if another club cottoned on to this attitude and followed through on their commitment to Baylie Smyff in good faith?

There are three sure things in life. 1. Life 2. Death 3. Geelong being arseholes. :D

[bulldogtragic]

WCE cave. Again by the sounds.

[Go_Dogs]

WCE cave. Again by the sounds.

Lol. Good one Eagles.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Pretty frustrating that Hawthorn get both Battle and TB.

Should be top 2-3.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

If the Eagles caved to future 1st plus 2nd that's pretty poor. He's under contract. They must want him off their books for some reason.

[Eastdog]

Pretty frustrating that Hawthorn get both Battle and TB.

Should be top 2-3.

They are good acquisitions for them. I don't enjoy saying that.

[hujsh]

Pretty weak from WCE