Charles Sutton Medal 2024

[angelopetraglia]

Who is going to win the B&F this year? it must be close at the top of table at the moment.

Also, other awards. Any forecasts at this stage?


Chris Grant Best First Year Player
Tony Liberatore Most Improved Player
Brad Johnson Best Team Player
John Van Groningen Domestique Award
Scott West Most Courageous Award
Coaches Award
Footscray Best and Fairest
John Schultz Community Award
VU Education Award

[Grantysghost]

I'd have Treloar in front of Bont at this point. Just pulled away the last three weeks.

Best first year - Bramble.
Most Improved - Buku.
Best team player - Caleb
Most courageous - Naughton
Coaches award - McNeil
Footscray - haven't watched enough :(
Community - Buku?Libba?
VU Education - Not sure. One of the young guys

[hujsh]

Who is going to win the B&F this year? it must be close at the top of table at the moment.

Also, other awards. Any forecasts at this stage?


Chris Grant Best First Year Player
Tony Liberatore Most Improved Player
Brad Johnson Best Team Player
John Van Groningen Domestique Award
Scott West Most Courageous Award
Coaches Award
Footscray Best and Fairest
John Schultz Community Award
VU Education Award





Best First Year Player

Freija



Most Improved Player

Bramble (Buku a shot as would be West)



Best Team Player

Harmesy



John Van Groningen Domestique Award

???



Most Courageous Award

Cody so Bevo can point to it next time he has to defend him



Coaches Award

VDM

[bornadog]

Chris Grant Best First Year Player - Freijah
Tony Liberatore Most Improved Player - Darcy
Brad Johnson Best Team Player - Bramble
John Van Groningen Domestique Award - Duryea
Scott West Most Courageous Award - West
Coaches Award - Richards
Footscray Best and Fairest - Bianco
John Schultz Community Award - Buku
VU Education Award - not sure

[jazzadogs]

Chris Grant Best First Year Player - Freijah
Tony Liberatore Most Improved Player - Darcy
Brad Johnson Best Team Player - Bramble
John Van Groningen Domestique Award - Duryea
Scott West Most Courageous Award - West
Coaches Award - Richards
Footscray Best and Fairest - Bianco
John Schultz Community Award - Buku
VU Education Award - not sure


I could see best team player going to Vandermeer or West - their roles are all about sacrificing for the team. Liam Jones would have to be in the mix as well.

[angelopetraglia]

For those not aware.

"The Charles Sutton Medal is voted on by the Bulldogs’ match committee, with five members awarding a score from zero to five for each player after every game."

[angelopetraglia]

So if anyone knows more about the voting process. Please look at my methodlogy guess below.

So Bont last year won with 342 votes. Bont played 23 games.

342 votes / 23 games = 14.8
14.8 averag / 5 match committee = 2.96 average per game

[Happy Days]

Bramble won’t win Most Improved but he’s a lock for the Liam Picken “Actually Secretly a Gun The Whole Time” award

[Eastdog]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1669671/key-timings-2024-charles-sutton-medal

Livestream information: 2024 Charles Sutton Medal

Don't miss a moment from the 2024 Charles Sutton Medal.

Whether you're heading to the Palladium or watching from the comfort of your home, you won't want to miss a moment of the 2024 Charles Sutton Medal.

The event will be streamed live and free for all fans to watch via the Club website and app beginning from 7:30PM (AEST).

Fans will be able to catch even more coverage, including all the outfits and arrivals on the red carpet, via the Club's social media channels.

Stay tuned for more information on the livestream over the coming days.

Key timings (approximate times, subject to change)

7.30pm – Live-stream commences
7.40pm – Official welcome and acknowledgements
7.50pm *– President Kylie Watson-Wheeler to speak
7.55pm – John Schultz Community Award, Ingrid McDonald Award, VU Education Award and Trainers Award announced
8:15pm – Leaderboard as of R8
8.20pm – Intermission
9:05pm - CEO Address - Ameet Bains
9:10pm - Leaderboard as of R16
9:15pm - Senior Coach address - Luke Beveridge
9:25pm - Coaches' Award
9:30pm - John Van Groningen Coolum Ninderry Award
9:35pm - Chris Grant 'Best First Year' Award
9:40pm - Tony Liberatore 'Most Improved Player' Award
9:45pm - Scott West 'Most Courageous' Award
9:55pm - Best in Final Award
10:00pm - Leaderboard as of R21
10:05pm - Intermission
10:30pm - Leaderboard as of Elimination Final
10:40pm - Gary Dempsey Medallist (3rd place) announced
10:45pm - Doug Hawkins Medallist (2nd place) announced
10:55pm - Charles Sutton Medallist (1st place) announced
11:00pm - Charles Sutton Medalist winner's speech
11:10pm - Stream end

[Eastdog]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/award-season-see-all-18-afl-clubs-best-and-fairest-winners-for-2024/news-story/cb2010a08eb30cce08555ca5b71a5b96

WESTERN BULLDOGS

The Western Bulldogs’ Charles Sutton Medal will be awarded on Wednesday, October 2.

[Eastdog]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1669960/preview-2024-charles-sutton-medal


Preview: 2024 Charles Sutton Medal
Take a look at the best contenders for the Club’s most coveted crown.


The Western Bulldogs will crown the 2024 Charles Sutton Medallist this Wednesday evening. Take a look at the best contenders for the Club’s most coveted crown.

You can stream the 2024 Charles Sutton Medal live via www.westernbulldogs.com.au from 7.30pm AEST on Wednesday, October 2.


Marcus Bontempelli

Could the inspirational skipper equal Club great Gary Dempsey with six Charles Sutton Medals? That’s what is ahead of the 28-year-old if he can claim victory on Wednesday night. Bontempelli had another fantastic campaign, making his sixth All Australian team, named as captain, while claiming the Leigh Matthews MVP Trophy for a third time. Remarkably, the midfielder kicked a career-high 32 goals in 2024.


Ed Richards

When Tom Liberatore went down with concussion the Bulldogs needed a midfield solution, in Ed Richards they found more than that. Playing 21 games in 2024, Richards was shifted to the midfield with amazing effect, displaying his speed and agility to add a different dimension to the centre bounce. Averaging 22 touches and kicking 11 goals for the season, Richards is expected to poll well in another terrific campaign.


Adam Treloar

A career-best season and maiden All Australia blazer, that’s the kind of season Adam Treloar put together. A first club fairest and best may well be on the cards for the 31-year-old, averaging 32 touches a game and gathering 26 votes in the Brownlow Medal last week. He looks a major threat to the skipper and would cap off a sensational 2024 for the loved midfielder.


Bailey Dale

The ever-reliable Bailey Dale is another key contender to the Charles Sutton crown. The defender found plenty of form during the middle of the season and is expected to come home with a wet sail during the count. Dale averaged more than 500 metres gained in 2024, showing his ability to dash off half-back and use his incredible ball skills to great effect. A genuine chance for the All-Australian squad member.


Liam Jones

Forming part of the fortress down back, Liam Jones’ second return season in the red, white and blue was just as good as his first. Providing valuable leadership down back and taking the best forward each week, Jones excelled in his role. Each week, the 33-year-old was replied upon and delivered but a late-season knee injury may prove costly in the medal race.


Others in the mix

The past two seasons, Tom Liberatore has run a close second at the Charles Sutton Medal and could threaten again in 2024. The veteran was curtailed by concussion across the year but showed his trademark grit and determination throughout the season. Tim English played all bar one game in 2024 and will again poll strongly in another solid campaign at Mission Whitten Oval. Rory Lobb should gain votes late in the season with a move down back, dominating games in the final rounds of the year.

[Eastdog]

I’m tipping Adam Treloar to take home Charlie.

[jeemak]

Who knows, but here goes........

Chris Grant Best First Year Player - Joel Freija
Tony Liberatore Most Improved Player - Harvey Gallagher
Brad Johnson Best Team Player - Aaron Naughton
John Van Groningen Domestique Award - Rory Lobb
Scott West Most Courageous Award - Tom Liberatore
Coaches Award - Lachlan Bramble
Footscray Best and Fairest - not sure
John Schultz Community Award - Bailey Smith (contributions to teen alcoholism)
VU Education Award - not sure

1st B&F - Marcus Bontempelli
2nd B&F - Adam Treloar
3rd B&F - Bailey Dale

[hujsh]

Apparently the results were accidentally shown on the screens. Someone on BF posted the winner and runner up

[Grantysghost]

Apparently the results were accidentally shown on the screens. Someone on BF posted the winner and runner up
I didn't see them.

[jeemak]

I'm loving the music between presentations. Sick programming.

[bornadog]

Apparently the results were accidentally shown on the screens. Someone on BF posted the winner and runner up

and?

[hujsh]

and?

So if you want you can go see?

[azabob]

First 8 rounds of voting has Bontempelli out in front.

Bont will win it again by the looks of it.

[Eastdog]

First 8 rounds of voting has Bontempelli out in front.

Bont will win it again by the looks of it.

Looking that way. Bont still had another great year.

[bornadog]

Congrats to Cooper Craig-Peters �� Riley Garcia �� and Jedd Busslinger �� our top-three in the 2024 VFL Best & Fairest.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4I9vKaEAA607z?format=jpg&name=large

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4It2_boAAS8Yc?format=jpg&name=small

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4IHOebIAAV1mt?format=jpg&name=small

[josie]

First 8 rounds of voting has Bontempelli out in front.

Bont will win it again by the looks of it.

I thought Treloar was overall better but Bont is so good we tend to judge him to higher standard.

[Grantysghost]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRgFhWFY/PXL-20241002-110726311.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MM7j7KFg)

[Grantysghost]

Logo for next year.

[WBFC4FFC]

Logo for next year.

Keep it going forward.

[Happy Days]

Apparently the results were accidentally shown on the screens. Someone on BF posted the winner and runner up

I mean if you paid even the slightest bit of attention this year you could probably guess the top two.

[Rocket Science]

Smokin' Joel's gonna skipper this club at some point.

There I said it.

[hujsh]

I mean if you paid even the slightest bit of attention this year you could probably guess the top two.

I was interested in the order of those two though

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4d4pTbIAANx_s?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4fGDDaoAEZReM?format=jpg&name=small

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[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4h3xCbIAAQKmA?format=jpg&name=small

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[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4lJcOasAAH6iO?format=jpg&name=small

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Bailey Smith probably feels slighted for not getting best team player award. 2 sides to every story.

[Doc26]

Bailey Smith probably feels slighted for not getting best team player award. 2 sides to every story.

but he takes home Most Outgrown

[SonofScray]

Well done Rory Lobb, two awards, and two really important ones for this group. All in a year where he could have thrown a fit and chucked it in.

[jazzadogs]

but he takes home Most Outgrown

What's the opposite of the Coolum Ninderry award?

(did that get renamed from the Domestique this year? Do we have the story behind the name change?)

[bornadog]

Six Charlie Sutton Medals to The Bont

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY40ETraQAExnk1?format=jpg&name=small

[FrediKanoute]

Well done Bont. Well done all players who received awards.

What was the B&F top 10?

[Eastdog]

Well done to Marcus Bontempelli. Great player and thoroughly deserved. The umpires don't know what they are watching because it is not reflective come Brownlow night.

Also congrats to Adam Treloar and Bailey Dale. Excellent seasons.

Congrats to all the other award winners tonight.

[jazzadogs]

McNeill almost polled as many as VDM in half the games...VDM didn't miss a game so you'd think his votes would be higher.

Duryea was very consistent, and Bramble didn't miss a game so finishing 7th maybe shouldn't be so surprising.

O'Donnell also only played 14. Freijah not in top 20.

I always find it interesting to see which roles/players the coaching staff favour.

[Scorlibo]

Interestingly there were no forwards in the top ten of the count. Five mids, five defenders.

[jeemak]

Interestingly there were no forwards in the top ten of the count. Five mids, five defenders.

Prior to injury Naughton was the highest rated forward in the game, not sure what his early count was. Cody suffered due to his elbow injury as well I guess.

[Grantysghost]

What's the opposite of the Coolum Ninderry award?

(did that get renamed from the Domestique this year? Do we have the story behind the name change?)
It did. They went away from the polka dots this year and the player got a didgeridoo I believe?
It's a Liam Jones initiative I believe I can't recall the exact story behind the name other than I think it was from qld.

[Mantis]

Awesome effort by Bont. In terms of being a team first player he fits the mould perfectly, and whilst he probably didn?t have his most outstanding season, he was the ultimate team player which helps in these types of awards.

I always like to scan the top 20 for snippets into how the MC view individual performances, and I am immediately drawn to English & our 3 key forwards being outside the top 10. Naughts missed a chunk of the season due to injury so can be excused, and Darce was playing his first full season but given the high proportion we will spend on these 4 over the coming years we will need all to push in to the top 5-10 spots if we are to climb up the ladder.

[azabob]

Logo for next year.

Love it. It is freakin awesome.

[kruder]

Loved the reception the room gave to Lobb after winning best team player/finals player, throughly deserved.

[azabob]

What else can you say about Bontempelli?

Best player I have seen by a long way and the gap is getting greater.

[SquirrelGrip]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GY4h3xCbIAAQKmA?format=jpg&name=small


Has a player won Most Improved in his first year with the club before? Is it based on improvement from last year?

[Go_Dogs]

Interested to hear more re Joel Freijah as potential captain material - did he speak well?

It’s brilliant to see Bont win, as much as I would have loved it to be Adz, it seems right that Bont takes his sixth and is set up to at least equal Westy with 7 come the end of his career.

[EasternWest]

Has a player won Most Improved in his first year with the club before? Is it based on improvement from last year?

I hear this vote was awarded based on woof commentary. The season started with "turnover merchant get rid of him wasted trade" and ended with "you know he's actually pretty good".

[Happy Days]

I hear this vote was awarded based on woof commentary. The season started with "turnover merchant get rid of him wasted trade" and ended with "you know he's actually pretty good".

Began like that for some of us anyway.

[EasternWest]

Began like that for some of us anyway.

Hey I wasn't one of them. I was in the "needs to be tidier but looks like he's got a bit to work with" camp and I was vindicated.

I'm mindful of gloating too much though, did Cam Wight win most improved one year?

[kruder]

Bevo has looked a little cooked at these events in the past but watched his speech online last night I reckon he is back in form just looks healthy and positive the changes at the start of the year have really helped him.

I know we were poor against the Hoks but I reckon he and the playing group have gained some more belief this year and even though it it sad that Macare and Daniel may leave there looks to be method to the madness going forward. I just wish Sam Power can land him a hard working/natural high half forward I think it could become a game changer for us, we cant continue to play both VDM and Mcsteal at the same time.

[Axe Man]

Interesting to see Mitch Wallis and Brian Lake amongst the red carpet photos. Do many past players generally attend the B&F for those that have been?

[GVGjr]

Bevo has looked a little cooked at these events in the past but watched his speech online last night I reckon he is back in form just looks healthy and positive the changes at the start of the year have really helped him.

I know we were poor against the Hoks but I reckon he and the playing group have gained some more belief this year and even though it it sad that Macare and Daniel may leave there looks to be method to the madness going forward. I just wish Sam Power can land him a hard working/natural high half forward I think it could become a game changer for us, we cant continue to play both VDM and Mcsteal at the same time.

He made a comment about the club bringing in Matt Egan and it appears to have been a great move for the coaching group and would probably free up Bevo a bit more.

[Prince Imperial]

He made a comment about the club bringing in Matt Egan and it appears to have been a great move for the coaching group and would probably free up Bevo a bit more.

He mentioned pretty much every key person at the club from the President down except for one: the Head of Football.

It indicates that their relationship hasn't improved.

[Grantysghost]

I thought Bevo's speech was incoherent and rambling.
Standard Bevo! Wtf was he on about the Lion and the hunting bah I've got nfi !

Didn't top the no snow button classic.

[GVGjr]

I thought Bevo's speech was incoherent and rambling.
Standard Bevo! Wtf was he on about the Lion and the hunting bah I've got nfi !

Didn't top the no snow button classic.

It didn't seem to be one of his better efforts. The strange part is all the way through the season his communication to the media and on TV was pretty good. Last night wasn't consistent with what we saw during the season.

[kruder]

I thought Bevo's speech was incoherent and rambling.
Standard Bevo! Wtf was he on about the Lion and the hunting bah I've got nfi !

Didn't top the no snow button classic.

I thought it was one of his better ones :D

[Mitcha]

I thought Bevo's speech was incoherent and rambling.
Standard Bevo! Wtf was he on about the Lion and the hunting bah I've got nfi !

Didn't top the no snow button classic.
Illegitimate son of Kevin Sheedy. If I had have paid top dollar to attend the night I would have liked to have heard his actual thoughts on football matters rather than the waffle that he tends to dish up.

[Grantysghost]

Illegitimate son of Kevin Sheedy. If I had have paid top dollar to attend the night I would have liked to have heard his actual thoughts on football matters rather than the waffle that he tends to dish up.
Coaches are all crazy I think ha.

[bornadog]

I thought it was one of his better ones :D

Same

[FrediKanoute]

I thought it was one of his better ones :D

Same. Comparing it to last year it was a guy who has unfinished business and is seething about the way the year ended.

[Grantysghost]

Same. Comparing it to last year it was a guy who has unfinished business and is seething about the way the year ended.
I always find his speeches hard to follow so it was just another addition for mine. Comparing his wife to a whatever that was ha... Not sure i would get away with that one!

[jeemak]

I thought he seemed nervous.

[Go_Dogs]

I thought he spoke well.

Some clear messaging to the playing group throughout and the fact he laboured on committed attitudes and the like quite a lot really resonated strongly. We’ve made some improvement, we need a greater level of commitment from the playing group to get to that next level. The players have signed up to do what they need to do over the off-season. Proof will be in the pudding. Hopefully this side does want to be the apex predator.

[FrediKanoute]

I thought he spoke well.

Some clear messaging to the playing group throughout and the fact he laboured on committed attitudes and the like quite a lot really resonated strongly. We’ve made some improvement, we need a greater level of commitment from the playing group to get to that next level. The players have signed up to do what they need to do over the off-season. Proof will be in the pudding. Hopefully this side does want to be the apex predator.

It was a speech with 2 halves. First half was halting and stammering as he tried to thank everyone. 2nd half was clear. Tone changed. His voice became deliberate. He adopted his story telling mode. There were some very very telling points in he second part of this speech and I suspect that these were carried through in exit interviews.

[Hotdog60]

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/1671947/2024-charles-sutton-medal-libba-roams?videoId=1671947&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1728075600001

I'm seriously concerned about Libba's concussion issues. :)

[jeemak]

Has anyone seen the full list rather than the top ten that's been published?

[GVGjr]

Has anyone seen the full list rather than the top ten that's been published?
I'm hoping to get the results soon.

[Axe Man]

Has anyone seen the full list rather than the top ten that's been published?

Not the full list but 100% more detail than the top 10!

https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4gyJyP/b-F.png (https://postimages.org/)

[jeemak]

Thanks Axe. I've had a look at votes per game, tells an interesting story:

Rank Player Votes Games Votes/ Game
1 Bontempelli 314 24 13.08
2 Treloar 245 23 10.65
3 Dale 245 24 10.21
4 Lobb 163 16 10.19
5 Jones 203 21 9.67
6 Liberatore 170 18 9.44
7 Richards 188 21 8.95
8 Naughton 147 20 7.35
9 Weightman 122 17 7.18
10 Bramble 168 24 7.00
11 Duryea 152 22 6.91
12 Williams 161 24 6.71
13 English 150 23 6.52
14 Khamis 108 17 6.35
15 Ugle-Hagan 138 22 6.27
16 Darcy 123 21 5.86
17 McNeil 70 12 5.83
18 West 111 21 5.29
19 O'Donnell 63 14 4.50
20 Vandermeer 84 24 3.50


Sorry for the formatting.

I think it shows why we're after players who can play that high half forward role, in that those we had running through there didn't feature highly with Daniel and Macrae not registering in the top twenty vote getters.

Naughton in the top ten, someone tell Kano. Lobb really cashed in after his switch to defence.

[bornadog]

Thanks Axe. I've had a look at votes per game, tells an interesting story:

Rank Player Votes Games Votes/ Game
1 Bontempelli 314 24 13.08
2 Treloar 245 23 10.65
3 Dale 245 24 10.21
4 Lobb 163 16 10.19
5 Jones 203 21 9.67
6 Liberatore 170 18 9.44
7 Richards 188 21 8.95
8 Naughton 147 20 7.35
9 Weightman 122 17 7.18
10 Bramble 168 24 7.00
11 Duryea 152 22 6.91
12 Williams 161 24 6.71
13 English 150 23 6.52
14 Khamis 108 17 6.35
15 Ugle-Hagan 138 22 6.27
16 Darcy 123 21 5.86
17 McNeil 70 12 5.83
18 West 111 21 5.29
19 O'Donnell 63 14 4.50
20 Vandermeer 84 24 3.50


Sorry for the formatting.

I think it shows why we're after players who can play that high half forward role, in that those we had running through there didn't feature highly with Daniel and Macrae not registering in the top twenty vote getters.

Naughton in the top ten, someone tell Kano. Lobb really cashed in after his switch to defence.

Plus Naughton missed 6 games

[jeemak]

Plus Naughton missed 6 games

Played twenty, but was benched early in two. I looked at what happens to votes per game at 18 full games and he stays at eighth, at 8.17 votes.

[Axe Man]

Lobb polled unbelievably well when you consider more than one third of his games were as a forward where he wouldn't have attracted many votes, apart from the second Freo game.

[jazzadogs]

Thanks Axe. I've had a look at votes per game, tells an interesting story:

Rank Player Votes Games Votes/ Game
1 Bontempelli 314 24 13.08
2 Treloar 245 23 10.65
3 Dale 245 24 10.21
4 Lobb 163 16 10.19
5 Jones 203 21 9.67
6 Liberatore 170 18 9.44
7 Richards 188 21 8.95
8 Naughton 147 20 7.35
9 Weightman 122 17 7.18
10 Bramble 168 24 7.00
11 Duryea 152 22 6.91
12 Williams 161 24 6.71
13 English 150 23 6.52
14 Khamis 108 17 6.35
15 Ugle-Hagan 138 22 6.27
16 Darcy 123 21 5.86
17 McNeil 70 12 5.83
18 West 111 21 5.29
19 O'Donnell 63 14 4.50
20 Vandermeer 84 24 3.50


Sorry for the formatting.

I think it shows why we're after players who can play that high half forward role, in that those we had running through there didn't feature highly with Daniel and Macrae not registering in the top twenty vote getters.

Naughton in the top ten, someone tell Kano. Lobb really cashed in after his switch to defence.

With a voting system that is 5 coaches assigning 0-5 to each player in each game, they're actually pretty low averages per game - unless we have changed the format?

[Rocco Jones]

With a voting system that is 5 coaches assigning 0-5 to each player in each game, they're actually pretty low averages per game - unless we have changed the format?

It's certainly 0-5 x 5 coaches per game.

The votes read as if you 1 vote = 5 or 6 out of 10 level game. Anything below average/passable = 0.

[jazzadogs]

Yeh that makes sense in terms of the results we're seeing. But doesn't REALLY make sense...don't have a 0-5 scale if 0 actually represents 0-5/10!! Just have a 0-10 scale!