Geelong

[1eyedog]

Breaking. Geelong allegedly withholding payment to players info from the AFL dating back to 2004. Hope they lose their flags. C/- tombrowne7

How sweet that music is.

[bornadog]

Breaking. Geelong allegedly withholding payment to players info from the AFL dating back to 2004. Hope they lose their flags. C/- Tom Morris.

How sweet that music is.
Excellent

[bulldogsthru&thru]

This could be as serious as the man city breaches and the AFEL would find a way to sweep it under the rug.

In fact, if it dates back to 2004 then they clearly have been doing just that.

[bulldogtragic]

Any links to details?

[comrade]

Yeah, if this is legit it will amount to sweet FA and the Cats will just continue to be spoon fed fixture advantages, free agency and trade wins, government funding etc. There's a reason they make top 4 every single year and it's not Chris Scott (though he is a great coach and likely getting paid outside the soft cap in some way).

[1eyedog]

Any links to details?

Apologies that's Tom Browne. All I have is @tombrowne7 X account.

[azabob]

Ah…..

That is a fake account.

[azabob]

Tom Browne is no longer in the media.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Ah…..

That is a fake account.

Another dagger to my heart.

[bulldogtragic]

Apologies that's Tom Browne. All I have is @tombrowne7 X account.

Is that the article from him that says the AFEL fined them $40,000 of an administrative error over GST not included in payment management fees? Which Geelong self reported?

Or is there a new bigger version of the story. His Twitter post is pretty light on detail and no one is reporting it which seems odd.

[azabob]

Is that the article from him that says the AFEL fined them $40,000 of an administrative error over GST not included in payment management fees? Which Geelong self reported?

Or is there a new bigger version of the story. His Twitter post is pretty light on detail and no one is reporting it which seems odd.

Because it is fake. Just like Elaine said to Jerry all those years ago.

[bulldogtragic]

Because it is fake. Just like Elaine said to Jerry all those years ago.

Seems odd. Was odd. Thanks Aza.

[1eyedog]

Ah…..

That is a fake account.

Haha no way. Got me.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Fake account but true story.

[Grantysghost]

Because it is fake. Just like Elaine said to Jerry all those years ago.
The moaning, the panting, the screaming.

Fake. Fake. Fake.

Kramer : I've faked it.

[GVGjr]

Breaking. Geelong allegedly withholding payment to players info from the AFL dating back to 2004. Hope they lose their flags. C/- tombrowne7

How sweet that music is.

There is a fake Tom Browne account

[azabob]

Sacrilege I know ….

But does a woof poster mind posting the Jon Ralph article on Chris Scott in today’s herald sun?

Thank you ��

[bornadog]

Sacrilege I know ?.

But does a woof poster mind posting the Jon Ralph article on Chris Scott in today?s herald sun?

Thank you 🙏
Here is the Age version:

A different Cat: How Chris Scott differs from other AFL coaches (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/a-different-cat-how-chris-scott-differs-from-other-afl-coaches-20240919-p5kbsd.html)

When it emerged that Tyson Stengle had been found ?unresponsive? at a Geelong nightclub and rushed to hospital at 2.30am on the morning of July 28, the response of Chris Scott to the incident offered a telling case study of how the coach handles his players, in sickness and in health.

Scott not only chose not to sanction or admonish Stengle, he quickly decided that the talented All-Australian forward ? who came to the club with a spotty record of misdemeanours ? would play the next weekend against the Crows.

Stengle, Scott said, had made an ?error of judgment? but otherwise there were no visible consequences for the player.

?We don?t treat them like kids and we certainly don?t take a punitive approach,? Scott told the media. ?This idea of public flaying is not the way we do things.?

One can only imagine how such a scenario would have played out at Melbourne, Collingwood or several other teams. At Sleepy Hollow, the Stengle story was quickly put to bed, without repercussions. Stengle had 20 disposals and kicked 1.1 in the subsequent game.

Scott doesn?t believe in a punitive approach, as he stated. He says the players should be treated as adults, which appears to be in line with his famously pragmatic old coach, Leigh Matthews.

If eschewing punitive measures is not unique for current or ex-AFL coaches ? Mick Malthouse once quipped that he would play an axe murderer if it helped him win ? Scott does differ from the coaching herd on several fronts.

The more one delves into his methods, the more you?ll find divergence from what rival clubs? coaches do (possibly excepting his brother Brad, who inherited clubs in more dishevelled states).

?I can?t get over how he?s able to control his emotions in front of the players,? said Josh Jenkins, the ex-Crow and Bomber who spent two years as a player and another two as a development coach under Scott.

?He won?t engage with players if he knows he?s in a frustrated state. He knows he?ll say things he doesn?t mean.? Jenkins admitted he found Scott compelling. ?He?s a fascinating character.?

From conversations from ex-players who played with the Cats and officials who worked with the coach ? two of whom hired him ? several identifiable Chris Scott trademarks emerged.

1. Cerebral, not emotional

Whereas Ken Hinkley has shown emotion ? and his team seems to ride on the back it ? a feature of Scott, according to all consulted, is that he doesn?t let his feelings loose in the company of the playing group.

Brian Cook, the Carlton chief executive who ran Geelong for 23 years and was one of the panel that hired Scott in 2010, was asked to sum up the traits that differentiated the coach from most peers.

?If you had to define the one difference, it?s his stable temperament,? said Cook, who concurred with the view that the phlegmatic Leigh Matthews had been a seminal influence on the Geelong coach. ?There?s always a hint of Leigh in Scotty.?

This subjugation of emotions might surprise those who?ve watched Scott showing displeasure at umpiring decisions in the coach?s box (less frequent lately), or the generation old enough to have seen him play with a measure of brutality in the Lethal Lions teams.

In Jenkins? view, Scott is governed more by his intellect than his feelings when dealing with the players. ?Highly intelligent, highly unemotional,? was Jenkins? summation.

2. Doesn?t chase ?connection?

While first Richmond, then Collingwood and now Hawthorn have extolled the virtues of their deep connections with each other, the Cats have never travelled down that road under Scott, as people who have been within the Geelong club walls attest.

But the difference, in the view of Jenkins and others, isn?t that Scott doesn?t connect. It?s that connection is organic. Scott doesn?t sell connection, a club concept that has been in vogue since Richmond?s sharing-and-caring storyline of 2017.

In 2017-2021, when Geelong kept finishing high and exiting the finals (aside from the 2020 grand final) by preliminary final evening, members of the football department asked whether the team needed to be more connected, as per the fashion.

They didn?t.
?I would think in many respects it?s almost more authentic and true than trying to force all this connection,? said Shaun Higgins, the 17-year ex-Dog and Kangaroo who played under Scott in 2021 and 2022 and has a game-day role on the bench at Geelong this year.

?We are adults and it?s a professional environment here ... and we?ll treat you like adults until it?s proven otherwise.?

Jenkins observed on Scott?s bucking of the connection convention: ?Everyone?s been chasing that connection ... I think a lot of clubs would like having coffees and catch-ups.?

But in Scott-land, these catch-ups and connections are not pushed.

?The Christian Petracca situation just wouldn?t happen at the Cats,? said Jenkins. ?The guys just don?t pry into each other?s business at the Cats.?

Whereas some coaches ? and Alastair Clarkson would appear to be a prime example ? have been heavily involved in players? lives (?father figure? is often deployed in this context), Scott does not, as a rule, seek to intrude into players? personal lives.

?He doesn?t need to be a huge influence in their personal stuff,? said Neil Balme, the veteran football boss, who with Cook and current CEO Steve Hocking, chose Scott in that post-season of 2010 after a burnt-out Mark Thompson left.

?But he?s close enough for them to know he gives a stuff about them.?

Another former official who knows Scott well added: ?He empowers rather than delegates.?

3. Planning to the nth degree

In the lead-in to the 2022 grand final, the cerebral Scott?s pre-game preparation went to the extreme of war-gaming what to do in extra time if there was a draw at the end of the four quarters ? a tale skipper Joel Selwood recounted in his book.

?I think he treats his coaching career much like a tennis player like Novak Djokovic,? said Jenkins of the attention to detail. ?He leaves no stone unturned. He?s always just thinking and happy to engage in stuff.?

While obsessive preparation is hardly novel for coaches, Scott is also willing to shift plans rapidly, mid-game.

4. A player-centred club

Many clubs profess to be focused on the players. Scott, according to former players/officials, takes the stance that everything that happens in his domain ultimately is about making an environment in which players flourish.

?A lot of coaches in the league say it, that they?re there for the players,? said Higgins. ?Ultimately that?s shown through actions and decisions that are made. And everything that he does, and every decision he?s made, aligns with that commentary.

?He creates an environment that is for the players to then take. Some players take that opportunity and others don?t.
?But probably the one strength for him is he?s got unbelievable emotional awareness around players and what gets the best out of them.?

5. Mature teams and covering his weaknesses

In Scott?s 14 years as senior coach, the mature Cats have ranked in the top three for experience in games/age 12 times; only once (2018) have they ranked outside the top five on that score.

This is a reflection of Scott and Geelong?s view, which is on public record, that the club seeks to have a crack at contending every year, even if this is not possible.

One by-product of these mature teams has been that the Cats have a culture that is heavily influenced by the senior players.

Higgins, who was coached by Brad Scott at North Melbourne (where he played his best football) and sees the brothers as philosophically ?aligned?, said there was ?a level playing field? in discourse between senior players and the coach.

?If the senior players needed something or had an opinion on something, then that would hold more weight than his opinion in many regards,? he said.

No other club has averted a rebuild, of some description, during Scott?s 14 seasons; Gold Coast, arguably, have remained in that state.

Jenkins felt that if Scott had a weakness, it lay in his communication with younger players.
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?Probably the relationship stuff with younger players (is his weakness), but again, he?s got that covered because he knows how to put excellent people in that space.? Nigel Lappin, his ex-teammate at Brisbane and long-serving assistant, was among the lieutenants who had a natural rapport with the younger brigade.

It was notable, according to another official who spoke anonymously, that Scott was willing to entrust youngsters with responsibility.

6. Conviction ? he doesn?t care what others think

Scott stuck with Rhys Stanley, 33, and Gary Rohan, as Jenkins said, against the grain of external opinion. He pushed Marc Blicavs upfield when others felt he should stay at full-back. Harry Taylor played forward for much of a season (2017).

?He doesn?t care if other people think he?s wrong,? said one of his former offsiders.

?He?s very strong in what he believes,? added Balme. ?And still got a real capacity to listen to others.?

[GVGjr]

Chris Scott will be remembered as one of the AFL’s greatest coaches when his long and successful stint at Geelong comes to an end. JON RALPH and GLENN MCFARLANE take you inside the mind of the mastermind behind the Cats' greatest era.

It's the hope that kills you.

As Chris Scott spent the most agonising 24 hours of his football career waiting for Leigh Matthews to crush his dreams or hand him passage to the 2003 grand final, the selection poser had an added complication.

Scott's great mate Nigel Lappin had just had his lung punctured by emergency Aaron Shattock in a pre-grand final fitness test.

And Scott, managing his own case of osteitis pubis, would be the lucky recipient if Lappin’s ribs were deemed too sore to take on Collingwood.

Lions coach Leigh Matthews remembers those dramatic final hours vividly.

"Chris was a very good player, but that groin injury had caused him to be on the fringe of the team," Matthews told the Herald Sun this week

"Nevertheless, if Nigel Lappin hadn’t played, then Chris would have come in. And you ask about strength of character? Well his strength of character really shone out.

"We knew about it 24 hours out, that Chris would be the standby. And I can remember having the conversation with Chris, who has great self discipline. I said, I know how disappointed you are (to be an emergency), we all would be. But we can't let our camp and our players see how disappointed you are. That is the challenge for you until we know the whys and wherefores’.

"He did it brilliantly. He realised what he had to do. He would have felt it, but didn’t show it.

"On grand final day he was changed, warmed up and ready to go. And then 40 minutes before game time Nigel said, 'I think I am ready to go'. I went and told Chris. And he got changed and left the dressing room pretty much without comment.


"He thought, 'If I can’t play, hanging around is not what the team needs right now'. He just made himself scarce. That strength of character is what always sticks in my mind. It is one of the cruellest things when you get to a grand final and you are the 23rd man.

"That is the brutal reality of any premiership team and Chris suffered that fate."

Eight years on from that dramatic day which denied him a Lions three-peat, Scott, as Geelong coach, was letting down Cameron Mooney to deny him a fourth flag as Tom Hawkins came of age on the grand final stage.

Another 11 years on, he was making an even more heart-rending call to deny Max Holmes a shot at a premiership despite the youngster passing every fitness test on his back-related hamstring concern.

And this year Scott had to rule out Zach Tuohy from the preliminary final team, knowing the retiring Cat might never play another AFL game.

As Scott has said, he will never forget how hard it is to thrive as an AFL player.

And yet it takes so much more to become the winningest coach of the modern era than a dash of empathy and a hard luck story as a former player.

If Scott's win-loss record suggests a masterful coach who arrived fully formed into the coaching ranks, his journey is studded with challenges.

He and twin brother Brad were only eight when their war-hero father Colin died in 1985, leaving their mum Lynne to raise five children, including the twins’ siblings, sister Lisa and brothers Andrew and Ben.

A decade-long period where he was mocked as "home-and-away Chris", as a 7-15 finals record after that first coaching flag culminated in an 83-point preliminary final loss in 2021.

So what are the seminal moments which have shaped Scott and put him on the brink of entering the coaching pantheon as a three-time premiership coach and arguably one of the century’s best?

Heroism on a footy field is a million miles away from bravery in a war zone, as Scott understands more than most.

He understands about loss too.

His father, Lieutenant Colin Scott, was an Army pilot who flew reconnaissance missions in Vietnam and won a Distinguished Flying Cross in July 1967.

Part of Scott's DFC citation said: "Lieutenant Scott showed courage and determination of the highest order … as he repeatedly flew low over the enemy position to gauge its intent, his aircraft was subject to heavy fire from small arms and automatic weapons.”

Scott was only 40 when he died of a severe asthma attack in 1985, leaving behind his heartbroken young family.

As Brad recalled on Channel 7 a decade ago: "He had a severe asthma attack while at work. He tried to drive himself to hospital and never made it.

"He was never the same after returning from Vietnam as I understand."

Sister Lisa spoke about how Legacy – the organisation which assists the families of veterans – helped the Scott family, in a story in the AFL Record more than a decade ago.

She spoke about how their mother, Lynne, worked to ensure the kids had the best possible upbringing, despite losing their father.

"From what I can remember she (Lynne) just worked and came home and worked, and if the boys had eaten what she had for dinner for afternoon tea, then she would go out and do the shopping for dinner and then come home and cook and get the housework done," Lisa said.

"Then sleep, that was about it."

Legacy assisted Chris and Brad attend St Kevin’s, a pathway that led them to the AFL.

Lisa used to "wonder how hard it was for the boys when at halftime all the other boys dads would be out there, and Mum and I would be sitting in the stands, and you wonder how difficult it must have been for them".

As Chris Scott retired from playing after only two games in 2007, for a career total of 215, he had no idea what to do.

Brother Brad had joined Collingwood as a development coach a year earlier and he decided to tread the same path after being lured to Fremantle by football boss Chris Bond and CEO Steve Rosich.

"I didn’t (even) want to be an assistant coach – I just got an offer and I accepted it because I thought if I don't do it then I'll never know whether I could have done it, whether I would have been good at it,” Scott once said.

He and wife Sarah crossed the country to work under senior coach Mark Harvey – Chris as an assistant and Sarah in the corporate team.

But even then, as Rosich recalls, the club knew he would one day be a senior coach.

He had a great affinity with the players, a great feel for the game, a great ability to teach the game," Rosich said. "We did joke at the time that given his wife Sarah also worked for us, the real loss was losing her interstate.

"And as it played out, the next senior coach was Ross Lyon. It might have played out differently if Chris was with us."

Remarkably within two years Scott was almost headhunted by Port Adelaide, getting down to the last two before being overlooked for Matthew Primus.

But the countless hours he put into that coaching presentation meant by the time Geelong called at the end of 2011 – three years into his coaching journey – he was ready.

Still, consider the sliding doors moment of Scott coaching Fremantle or Port Adelaide, clubs less stable than Geelong, without cultural drivers like Joel Selwood.

Where would he have ended up?

Scott got the call from his manager in late 2010 that Geelong was interested in meeting him and he nearly declined.

"I really pressed him to say 'look, is this a waste of time because the Port process was so involved' and, you know, I felt like I needed to think twice if I'm going to go through that again,” he told a podcast in 2017.

"Geelong was a bit unique in that their coach decided to finish at the end of the year, after the final series, and it was a bit of a race against time to get someone in the seat."

He was going up against Cats assistant coaches Ken Hinkley and Brenton Sanderson as a coaching newbie three years out of the game.

Chief executive Brian Cook was on a panel that included football boss Steve Hocking and board members Diana Taylor and Gareth Andrews.

"We agreed on what the key criteria were. They revolved around leadership and management being the most important thing," Cook said this week after digging out his notes from that time.

"It was about culture, vision and inspiring people. You need courage and whole-of-club management. We needed to continue to produce high performance and then there were personal qualities and the final one was communication.

"We weighted a certain percentage to all of them and started with 100 coaches and Chris got through to the final three."

The tactical acumen that Scott is so often lauded for was nowhere to be seen but he did hold an advantage as a Geelong outsider.

"His coaching experience was limited and it was against him in terms of getting the role," says Cook.

"And he was jumping into a group of players who were very determined. Black and white even. So there was a feeling we needed to challenge it a bit. I remember Steve Hocking was the one who really pushed for the change. We all did but he was the one who said, "I think we need to go this way." That was the recommendation for the board. Someone who could create change. And he did that magnificently.”

Scott, still only 34, was announced as Geelong coach in mid-October 2010 with Cook hailing him as the ideal version of a "coach manager" in the EPL style.

[GVGjr]

cont

As board member Andrews said of the 2010 season in which Mark Thompson quit: “There was a bit going on.”

Gary Ablett left for Gold Coast, the club uncovered Thompson’s communications with Essendon dating back some time before he departed and as Thompson left, he said he had tried and failed to change up the club’s game style.

Scott hit the ground running with tactical tweaks while putting his own stamp on the club in a year the Cats remarkably won their third flag since 2007 in his maiden season as senior coach.

As that year’s leading goalkicker James Podsiadly said: “You wouldn’t have known it was his initiation to senior coaching, to be honest”.

"He talks about how young he was and the support he had from Steve Hocking and Brian Cook but he was like a duck to water straight away.

"He can be quite humble … but he did instantly improve us strategically straight away."

VFL-star-made good Podsiadly says to him defence had been about chase-down tackles from behind.

Scott "flipped the script".

"He made us get up the ground and defend via frontal pressure," says Podsiadly.

To a group of swaggering dual premiership players who could have been resistant to change, he distilled his messages with clarity and simplicity.


"He simplifies the game and doesn't over-complicate it," says Podsiadly.

"He rejuvenated us and brought this energy. That Geelong team was so highly regarded. They had so many players with so many achievements. He wasn’t intimidated."

Says former board member Andrews of that 2011 premiership: “People say he walked into his first premiership. No he didn’t. We didn't win it in 2010 and we were lucky to get him to coach an ageing list to a flag. And then he had the confidence to create a brand new side and he's now won two. Maybe he deserves to have won one more. He had the Richmond premiership (in 2020) snuck away by Dusty (Martin). If he happens to win another one this year he’s up there in the masterclass of all of them.”

Colin Carter, who was president for a decade from late 2010 onwards, said the three flags in five seasons – including Scott’s 2011 flag – changed perceptions about Geelong.

"I remember when I first got involved in footy, Geelong had the Pyramid Financial disaster, and Ford and Alcoa were on their way out, and the (town’s) nickname was ‘Sleepy Hollow’ and (people used to talk about the Cats as) 'Handbags'," Carter said.

"I think the three premierships completely changed not only the internal psyche of Geelong the town, but also the external perceptions. You could be 'best in breed', you could be regarded as successful and still based in Geelong."

Scott is an enigma, even to those who know him well.

He is witty, sharp, exceptional in one-on-one conversations where he looks you in the eye and considers your opinion.

He can be stand-offish at times.

He freely admits that while some coaches know the name of your wife, god-son and third cousin, he isn't that kind of coach.

He straddles the line between being a political animal and a person who displays great care, especially to those who are most critical to the team’s performance.

He can be brutal when he has to be; empathetic when he needs to be.

He has never tried to be best friends with his players but as Cook says he has worked hard on that emphatic side.

"No, he worked at that over time. He treats them like adults. The players respect that, there is a sense of responsibility and maturity."

Who are his mates?

"He would have a handful of close mates, but lots of acquaintances," says Cook.

Ask another long-time staffer to identify his friends and he takes his time.

"Probably Brad in a footy sense. Well, not really in a footy sense. It’s a great question," he replies.

"Nigel (Lappin) and he are tight as"

Long-time teammate Jason Akermanis is more blunt.

"With Chris Scott, the secret with him is Nigel Lappin. If Chris didn’t have Nigel Lappin he couldn’t play good cop bad cop," says Akermanis.

"Nigel allowed him to go harder when needed to at the players, give them brutal feedback


"Nigel as the relationship guy would come in and explain – "This is what Scotty wants, this is what he is thinking."

One person who has worked with Scott says Lappin is "the perfect foil" for him as his former teammate and long-time assistant/development coach is “the most caring individual who puts the time in to make sure everyone is happy.”

BAD BEATS
Through that heartbreaking period from 2012 to 2021 as Geelong competed so hard yet always came up short, there was the 2020 Grand Final but a host of embarrassing finals exits.

Says one Cats staffer: "People forget that as much as Geelong has had success, they have had more rip-your-heart-out crushing disappointment than most."

Carter used to get the 'sack the coach' letters sent to him, but while he valued the interaction with members, he was an evidence-based president.

He knew that each year Scott and Geelong would be competing again for the flag.

"As president I used to get letters from members saying ‘sack the coach' because we had been knocked out of the finals and hadn't won the premiership," Carter recalled.

"But I am evidence driven. I could see that we were completely rebuilding the team from the era of 2007 to 2011 and he (Scott) was still making the finals when we weren’t supposed to be, with no top draft picks."

Cook says he has never seen Scott throw the toys out of the cot with a post-match tirade or abusive spray.

He might have been tempted after Geelong lost the 2021 preliminary final by 83 points to Melbourne but instead kept his calm.

Says one confidante: "In 2021 he was outstanding. We lost to Melbourne in Perth. We just got absolutely destroyed. In the rooms post-match he spoke really well. He was very calm in the moment and we won a premiership 12 months later with pretty much the same group.

"No one would have thought that could happen. He remembers you are not always going to win. There is no point yelling at people. What does that achieve?

Ever seen him lose his shit?

"Nup. Even yelling at the team on the field during breaks. It doesn’t happen."

Geelong’s premiership captain Joel Selwood says the Cats got to work after that 2021 season as Steve Hocking returned to the club as chief executive.

Ever a change-merchant, he tweaked the program and urged Scott to greater heights.

"It was a team effort. It was Steve coming back and helping him from a CEO’s position," Selwood said this week.

"The program was a little bit exhausted at the time. It was like 'we need to do things a little differently' but in doing that, it was a collective approach.

"We all sat in the room and pulled it together. But he is the leader of making sure it can stack up. He is very loyal to his people … to allow them to get to work and do it the way they want to do it.

"There could be disagreements or arguments but they always leave the room with the right objective in making sure they are doing what is best for the players."

FUTURE

Scott is on the brink of going past Geelong legend Thompson with three flags as a coach, and yet at only 48 another decade at the club beckons if he wants to remain there.

For all the speculation about him moving on — to Brisbane, to Tasmania — why would he leave a list that is only peaking again?

He said years back around the same time he made clear that senior coaching is actually not a very enjoyable job that he would not last.

"The best way will be to finish before my daughter gets to school, based on what I've heard from other coaches," as he recounted stories of kids being bullied in the schoolyard about their dad’s impending sacking.

His daughter Leila is now 10, while wife Sarah is the co-owner of eco-friendly retail destination Natural Supply Co.

Cook never quite believed in that early exit for Scott.

"I remember him saying things like that, but never really believed it," he said.

All these years later, Scott still has a chance to eclipse Matthews and even Alastair Clarkson as the greatest coach of the modern era.

[Grantysghost]

Please win Lions im so sick of this collective Geelong circle jerk.

[bornadog]

Please win Lions im so sick of this collective Geelong circle jerk.

agree 100%

[The bulldog tragician]

Good riddance.

[Grantysghost]

How long before Baz announces?

6am I'm tipping.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

How long before Baz announces?

6am I'm tipping.

Why wait until then? Why not in Chris Scott's press conference.

[Grantysghost]

Why wait until then? Why not in Chris Scott's press conference.
Haha just eases in next to him dressed as cat man with a can of Baz and a deodorant can.

[jeemak]

Hopefully the Chris Scott wankfest can take a breather for a few months.

[G-Mo77]

Good riddance.

Exactly the words I textd my brother with straight after the game.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Catman. If ever I could hate somebody I've never even met...

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Hopefully the Chris Scott wankfest can take a breather for a few months.

I hope so. But still, he's worked wonders with that list.

[jeemak]

I hope so. But still, he's worked wonders with that list.

Is that sarcasm?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is that sarcasm?

No I think he's done well to keep them playing for flags. Yeah they've brought in a few important pieces but they haven't picked at the pointy end of the draft for a while and have turned over nearly all their star players from the dynasty era. None of their mids are out and out stars anymore. Danger is past it.

I don't see our coach getting that list anywhere near finals.

[azabob]

For the love of my sanity....

It is being reported that Geelong will now get 10 home games at Sedat Park with the other home game at the MCG (likely against Hawks).

Since 2018 they had only been getting nine games.

[bulldogtragic]

For the love of my sanity....

It is being reported that Geelong will now get 10 home games at Sedat Park with the other home game at the MCG (likely against Hawks).

Since 2018 they had only been getting nine games.

If the Vic/SA states would just change the border, they could get another one for Gather Round. Selfish governments.

[GVGjr]

For the love of my sanity....

It is being reported that Geelong will now get 10 home games at Sedat Park with the other home game at the MCG (likely against Hawks).

Since 2018 they had only been getting nine games.

They raised this prior to the finals when they said why they wouldn't be taking advantage of their home ground like GWS would be.
Their position was that they'd prefer to get the extra home game during the season and play their home finals at the MCG.

[comrade]

And for good measure, they?ll get an away game in Gather Round against a neutral team (probably us again). ****s.

[jazzadogs]

For the love of my sanity....

It is being reported that Geelong will now get 10 home games at Sedat Park with the other home game at the MCG (likely against Hawks).

Since 2018 they had only been getting nine games.

I hate the cats and Sedat Stadium as much as the next person (unless the next person is Sedat), but why are we annoyed they want to play home games at their home ground?

As long as some of the home games are against the 'big' Melbourne clubs I don't care.

[bornadog]

I hate the cats and Sedat Stadium as much as the next person (unless the next person is Sedat), but why are we annoyed they want to play home games at their home ground?

As long as some of the home games are against the 'big' Melbourne clubs I don't care.

I want to see Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon play down there

[azabob]

I hate the cats and Sedat Stadium as much as the next person (unless the next person is Sedat), but why are we annoyed they want to play home games at their home ground?

As long as some of the home games are against the 'big' Melbourne clubs I don't care.

Because everything is coming up Milhouse

[Grantysghost]

I hate the cats and Sedat Stadium as much as the next person (unless the next person is Sedat), but why are we annoyed they want to play home games at their home ground?

As long as some of the home games are against the 'big' Melbourne clubs I don't care.
I think it's just a logical thing to do.

Argue the merits of Sedat Park and its incredible leg up all you want, regardless it's their home ground they should be playing there.

[Topdog]

I think it's just a logical thing to do.

Argue the merits of Sedat Park and its incredible leg up all you want, regardless it's their home ground they should be playing there.

Yes they should but we all know they Carlton, Collingwood and the likes won't be playing there yearly like we do

[ledge]

Yes they should but we all know they Carlton, Collingwood and the likes won't be playing there yearly like we do

We have won the last two times down there, it’s a home ground to us :-)

[comrade]

Just announced that Chris Scott been assigned a senior leadership role with Morris Finance?which, yep you guessed it, just happens to be a Cats sponsor.

They don?t even care about hiding this shit anymore.

[bulldogtragic]

Just announced that Chris Scott been assigned a senior leadership role with Morris Finance?which, yep you guessed it, just happens to be a Cats sponsor.

They don?t even care about hiding this shit anymore.

I wonder what advice he can offer the sponsorship manager? “Just keep doing what you’re doing. I think you’re doing a great job.”

Getting to Sopranos level (mob) corruption - getting ‘no show’ union jobs paid to them for assistance in getting contracts signed or strikes called off. Multiple entity money laundering I believe it’s called.

[comrade]

I wonder what advice he can offer the sponsorship manager? “Just keep doing what you’re doing. I think you’re doing a great job.”

Getting to Sopranos level (mob) corruption - getting ‘no show’ union jobs paid to them for assistance in getting contracts signed or strikes called off. Multiple entity money laundering I believe it’s called.

Media will just keep glazing them about their incredible ?culture?.

[Go_Dogs]

Lol. No one in the media has the gall to run with it either. Piss. Weak.

[EasternWest]

Just announced that Chris Scott been assigned a senior leadership role with Morris Finance?which, yep you guessed it, just happens to be a Cats sponsor.

They don?t even care about hiding this shit anymore.

Is that an issue though? It's nepotism manifest of course but is there some kind of breach? Is there a coaches salary cap or anything?

[comrade]

Is that an issue though? It's nepotism manifest of course but is there some kind of breach? Is there a coaches salary cap or anything?

There?s a salary cap (called the soft cap for some reason) that limits what every AFL club can spend on football department and coaching staff.

[EasternWest]

There?s a salary cap (called the soft cap for some reason) that limits what every AFL club can spend on football department and coaching staff.

Thanks I didn't know it was inclusive of the coach. I probably should but I don't pay much attention to this stuff.

Yeah that stinks to high heaven.

[Grantysghost]

I reckon the fuzz in G Town know if they find a player passed out they just call the Cats welfare manager or something.

[comrade]

Thanks I didn't know it was inclusive of the coach. I probably should but I don't pay much attention to this stuff.

Yeah that stinks to high heaven.

I don?t know the exact details but I do know there are allowances for a portion of the head coach salary to be paid outside the cap, but I doubt being paid by a sponsor on top is within the spirit of it all.

[comrade]

I reckon the fuzz in G Town know if they find a player passed out they just call the Cats welfare manager or something.

No doubt. 90% of the cops down there would be Cats nuffies like the rest of the population and will do anything to protect the club. Very mafia like.

[jazzadogs]

I heard Bevo is getting paid $200k to dress up as a giant tortilla at our next aflw match. All above board.

[EasternWest]

I heard Bevo is getting paid $200k to dress up as a giant tortilla at our next aflw match. All above board.

I'd actually chip in for that.

Disclaimer: no I wouldn't.

[Sedat]

Gratifying to see that my Shithole Pork-Barrell Park bandwagon has been slightly more successful in luring new recruits than my James Harmes one.

[josie]

I'd actually chip in for that.

Disclaimer: no I wouldn't.

I see what you did there. Mission?s lime & chilli taco chips are quite yummy.

[Grantysghost]

I see what you did there. Mission?s lime & chilli taco chips are quite yummy.
Be careful Le Bron invented tacos and he will sue woof.

[Stevo]

Just announced that Chris Scott been assigned a senior leadership role with Morris Finance?which, yep you guessed it, just happens to be a Cats sponsor.

They don?t even care about hiding this shit anymore.

That doesn't sound dodgy in the slightest does it?
So much for a soft cap.

[EasternWest]

Be careful Le Bron invented tacos and he will sue woof.

And with the funds he'll make sure his son gets a job that he's in no way qualified or equipped for.

[jazzadogs]

Gratifying to see that my Shithole Pork-Barrell Park bandwagon has been slightly more successful in luring new recruits than my James Harmes one.

I have my own version of the Hippocratic Oath, Don't Play Harmes.

Right behind you on Sedat Stadium though.

[angelopetraglia]

Geelong don't even need to worry about doing undertable deals.

They are just doing it in plain sight now. Incredible.

[GVGjr]

I wonder if Morris Financial even advertised the role or have a position description for Scott to be measured against?
Despite the fancy title he will probably just do 6 lunch seminars and rake in a fortune.

[mighty_west]

I wonder if Morris Financial even advertised the role or have a position description for Scott to be measured against?
Despite the fancy title he will probably just do 6 lunch seminars and rake in a fortune.

By the sounds of it, it's a newly made up role specifically for Brad to earn extra mon...i mean help out and give advise on leadership for their team to grow, this line from the main article on their website and i quote "This new role reflects our commitment to embracing innovation and leadership, ensuring we stay at the forefront of our industry", this is so dodgy and they'll get away with it, Cotton-On and now this.......c'mon AFL do something!

[jeemak]

The ****en guy has been appointed Chief of Leadership and Performance! That's an entire job for any sort of business that's serious enough to have that as a job!

Usually commanding ~$200K-~$350K plus additionals etc.! Depending on the size of the business.

How can he do that and his coaching job? Seriously!!!!

If it's a serious position and not a piss take, then it's too much for an AFL senior coach to take on as a second gig! If it's not a serious position, it's obviously a piss take!

AFEL, come on! Get a scalp in a captive market while you can in order to pretend you're a serious organisation. Punish the hubris, shield your own!

[Stevo]

The ****en guy has been appointed Chief of Leadership and Performance! That's an entire job for any sort of business that's serious enough to have that as a job!

Usually commanding ~$200K-~$350K plus additionals etc.! Depending on the size of the business.

How can he do that and his coaching job? Seriously!!!!

If it's a serious position and not a piss take, then it's too much for an AFL senior coach to take on as a second gig! If it's not a serious position, it's obviously a piss take!

AFEL, come on! Get a scalp in a captive market while you can in order to pretend you're a serious organisation. Punish the hubris, shield your own!

What do you think his hourly rate might be for this role? It's unlikely he's going to average coming into the office much more than 4 hours per month. If we assume it's 250K and he does 200 hours of work there in a year it's a decent clip per hour he's getting.
He might have some qualifications gained by end of season visits to elite clubs but outside of his work at Geelong he doesn't have any real world experience that helped him land this job.

[comrade]

What do you think his hourly rate might be for this role? It's unlikely he's going to average coming into the office much more than 4 hours per month. If we assume it's 250K and he does 200 hours of work there in a year it's a decent clip per hour he's getting.
He might have some qualifications gained by end of season visits to elite clubs but outside of his work at Geelong he doesn't have any real world experience that helped him land this job.

They would argue his work at Geelong is enough. Anyone with a brain knows this is just a salary cap rort.

[Go_Dogs]

Crazy stuff.

No one in the media running with it yet? Piss weak as expected. Geelong are a protected species and I have no idea why.

[GVGjr]

Crazy stuff.

No one in the media running with it yet? Piss weak as expected. Geelong are a protected species and I have no idea why.

It's got a couple of mentions but because Geelong got on the front foot and fed them the story they are of course golden.

[GVGjr]

This deal is as dodgy as George Costanza 'Human Fund'.
Morris Financial 'Money for Coaches'

[SonofScray]

Absolutely ludicrous stuff here.

The competition is really a joke, between the media and the admin its an astonishingly corrupt world.

[Sedat]

It's got a couple of mentions but because Geelong got on the front foot and fed them the story they are of course golden.
I think you underestimate the diligence of Scotty Gullan - he is currently putting the finishing touches to a deep-dive expose on the rampant salary cap and soft cap rorting at Shithole Park, and will release it once he's finished fellating the entire Geelong board.

[G-Mo77]

The AFL ticked off on it everyone so it's all good. :p

[Happy Days]

I think you underestimate the diligence of Scotty Gullan - he is currently putting the finishing touches to a deep-dive expose on the rampant salary cap and soft cap rorting at Shithole Park, and will release it once he's finished fellating the entire Geelong board.

Don’t make me tap the sign

[GVGjr]

From SEN

Heads were turned and eyebrows raised when it became apparent that Geelong coach Chris Scott had taken up a role with Morris Finance - a key sponsor of the club.

Immediately there was speculation that this was a way to pay two-time premiership coach Scott outside the $7.65 million footy department cap.

Scott was quick to defend his new role after he was quizzed by Channel 7’s Mitch Cleary on Wednesday.

“People like you are more than entitled to ask that question, but it’s one that should be directed at the AFL,” Scott told Cleary on 7News.

“They’ll give you a clear answer. You obviously wouldn’t go into something unless you were crystal clear on how it’s all supposed to work.”

In reaction, SEN Breakfast’s Sam Edmund and Kane Cornes discussed Scott’s Chief of Leadership and Performance role at Morris who have a long association with the Cats, including a most recent involvement as ‘coach sponsor’.

They can both understand why there is scepticism surrounding the Scott situation even if the AFL has ticked it off as Scott explained.

“There’s no reason why other clubs should not be doing this with their coaches, with their players,” said Edmund.

“It is so hard for the league to determine what’s fair value. We have no detail. What are Morris paying him? How many appearances is he doing? What is he doing? How many hours a week? How many spare hours does he have in season?

“There’s a reason we’re sceptical. I don’t want to be overly sceptical but there’s a reason why it doesn’t have a great sniff to it.

“At the moment, it struggles to pass the pub test, I reckon. If there was a scepticism Richter scale it would be high in the 8s and 9s.”

Cornes also wonders if a situation like this is good enough for Geelong then why aren’t all the other clubs doing something similar?

“If you can do it, every club should be doing it,” said Cornes.

“There is a focus on Geelong because they keep signing players and they keep being under the salary cap and you question - How are Geelong in the race again? How can Geelong get Jeremy Cameron? How can Geelong get Bailey Smith? How can they get Jack Bowes and absorb his contract so you get Pick 7?

“We start sceptical about Geelong for those reasons. They do what teams shouldn’t be able to do and that’s remain competitive pretty much every year.

“Clubs need to be innovative to find extra dollars so they can pay the best (coaches) the best wages. Chris Scott doesn’t get paid enough anyway when you compare what the best players are earning.

“I’m not critical of this, I just want to know what the rules are. If the rules are good enough for Geelong to do it, why isn’t every team doing it?”

Additionally, Bailey Smith’s financial deal with Cotton On, the clothing brand that is also an ‘Elite Partner’ of the Cats, has also at times been questioned.

He signed with Cotton On in 2022 when he was still with the Western Bulldogs but it remains a point of contention.

“They’re already entangled in the Cotton On stuff too so in regards to optics it’s bold,” Edmund added.

“They’ve got on the front foot and they want to control the narrative here.

“Why doesn’t he (Scott) go and work for a company that’s not a sponsor? They don’t have an airline sponsor, so be a leadership consultant at Jetstar. Would look at it dimly then? Would there be eyebrows raised then?”

Cornes added: “A lot of opportunities come through relationships though, don’t they?

“There is an existing relationship there, it’s convenient, they clearly see a role for him. I would love to see a job description.”

He reiterated his point that wages in the AFL should be made public so uncertainty like this can be quickly put to bed.

“There’s a lack of detail everywhere in our game. Coach wages should be public, player wages should be public so we don’t have these scenarios. Everything should be broken down,” he continued.

“We are so far behind when it comes to transparency with this. It needs a full breakdown so you and I aren’t sitting here in October saying, ‘This is fishy, this is dodgy’, when we could just quickly put into Google the breakdown of Geelong’s soft cap.

“So it all adds up and we have the clear picture. We’re in the dark and we’re so far behind, it’s embarrassing.”

There have been other famous previous ‘add-ons’ with contracts including Chris Judd’s role with Carlton sponsor Visy and Adam Simpson’s foray into Hungry Jack’s franchising while coach of West Coast.

[comrade]

So basically, don?t worry if Geelong are rorting the salary cap?just do it too.

Shills.

[Go_Dogs]

It’s dodged and we don’t know the rules but everyone should do it too.

[GVGjr]

Was the position actually advertised is the bigger test and was a thorough interview process conducted?
I don't think anyone genuinely sees this as anything other than a consultant type role

[mighty_west]

I wonder if Butters would like a position with Mission Foods for the next few years as a young role model to help bring the brand out to the younger generation, make a few appearances each year for a nice little earner on the side?

[macca]

The ****en guy has been appointed Chief of Leadership and Performance! That's an entire job for any sort of business that's serious enough to have that as a job!

Usually commanding ~$200K-~$350K plus additionals etc.! Depending on the size of the business.

How can he do that and his coaching job? Seriously!!!!

If it's a serious position and not a piss take, then it's too much for an AFL senior coach to take on as a second gig! If it's not a serious position, it's obviously a piss take!

AFEL, come on! Get a scalp in a captive market while you can in order to pretend you're a serious organisation. Punish the hubris, shield your own!

Yep, that was my first thought, "Chief.... " position will command salaries like that.
AEFL what a joke.

Seriously, might as well just put anything "outside of footy" roles and disregard from salary cap.

[azabob]

The AFL is supposedly looking into the Chris Scott job with Morris Finance.

[bulldogtragic]

The AFL is supposedly looking into the Chris Scott job with Morris Finance.

I am Jack’s complete skeptical reply.

[chef]

https://x.com/cleary_mitch/status/1851157467927109801

[GVGjr]

The AFL is supposedly looking into the Chris Scott job with Morris Finance.

Well according to Chris Scott last week, they've already signed off on it.

Perhaps they're now having 'a closer look at it' because it's such a poor look for the competition. They'll still sign off on it though.

[comrade]

Well according to Chris Scott last week, they've already signed off on it.

Perhaps they're now having 'a closer look at it' because it's such a poor look for the competition. They'll still sign off on it though.

Yeah, they?ll be getting a private slap along the lines of ?do it, but don?t make it so obvious next time?.

[jeemak]

Not sure how else the AFL will fill the time in between now and 20 November? May as well engage in an exercise of window dressing that will ultimately determine the Cats are amazing, run their club so well, and attract sponsors prepared to offer C-level leadership roles to senior coaches for nothing in return.

By and by that's just on top of being able to attract a player on a huge third party deal with a major sponsor and Geelong sycophant/ supporter on a reasonable playing contract (no chance his hiring was a long term plan to avoid AFL scrutiny - the pliable media already on record as suggesting it was just a coincidence Baglenka was a Cotton On marquee product before the trade).

I'd like nothing more than for these mollycoddled arseholes to cop a hit that triggers a decent look at their player arrangements since the mid-2000s. But it ain't gonna happen.

[Axe Man]

AFL begins inquiry into Chris Scott’s new role with Morris Finance (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-begins-inquiry-into-chris-scotts-new-role-with-morris-finance/news-story/c0ddb5ab1a9d27e293b318844ac59d54)

The AFL has asked Geelong to clarify coach Chris Scott’s new position with club sponsor Morris Finance and how it fits within the soft cap.

Morris Finance announced Scott in a new role of chief of leadership and performance last week and the AFL has made inquiries with the Cats in recent days about the nature of the job.

The questions to the Cats centre around Scott’s payment and whether the new job differs from past arrangements between the sponsor and Geelong.

The Morris Finance logo has sat on Scott’s club polo in recent years as the official Geelong coaches sponsor and the company has sponsored the Cats for 14 years.

Morris Finance was also retired forward Tom Hawkins’ long-term player sponsor.

Geelong has been contacted for comment about the AFL’s inquiry.

The Cats will be given time to respond to questions from the league.

All third-party deals within the AFL must be cleared by the league to ensure they don’t flout the soft cap rules, in which clubs can only pay football staff within the cap, which will sit at $7.68m next season.

It is not unusual for league HQ to question clubs about arrangements like Scott’s new gig.

When asked last week about whether the job fit within league rules, Scott told Channel 7 the question was “one that should be directed at the AFL. They will give you a clearer answer.”

“You obviously wouldn’t go into something unless you were crystal clear on how it is to work,” the coach said.

Geelong CEO Steve Hocking said the club welcomed the “exciting announcement” in a press release from Morris Finance.

“It (the job) underscores the enduring relationship between Geelong Football Club and Morris, which has only deepened in the past 14 years,” Hocking said.

“Morris has been more than a sponsor; they have been an integral part of our club’s journey, supporting our coaches and players. We look forward to many more years of collaboration and shared achievements.”

Morris Finance managing director Nathan Murray said the company had “stood by Chris and the Cats through their triumphs and challenges, and we are excited to continue this journey with Chris in his new role”.

Morris’ website claims “we specialise in finance, investment and leasing”.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I'm sure they have been more than a sponsor and have indeed played an integral role in the clubs journey supporting coaches and players.

[GVGjr]

If the AFL gives this the green light then a lot of coaches will be able to start similar set-ups with club sponsors.
They might as well remove the coaches salary from the soft cap or completely remove the soft cap restrictions.

I wonder if enough clubs will apply pressure on the AFL to review it or look at it as an opportunity to work around the system.

[comrade]

So if the AFL signs off on all third party deals, why are they asking for clarity on a deal that has already been announced? The whole thing is a rort and a shit show.

[chef]

Did Bevo get paid when he did work with Vic Uni after the flag?

[Axe Man]

Did Bevo get paid when he did work with Vic Uni after the flag?

I would assume so?

Luke Beveridge appointed VU adjunct professor (https://www.vu.edu.au/about-vu/news-events/news/luke-beveridge-appointed-vu-adjunct-professor)

[hujsh]

I would assume so?

Luke Beveridge appointed VU adjunct professor (https://www.vu.edu.au/about-vu/news-events/news/luke-beveridge-appointed-vu-adjunct-professor)

It at least passes a bit more of the 'pub test' to think an AFL coach might have something of value to "sport science, coaching, and management courses" at a Uni than they would as a senior figure at a financial services firm.

They are paid positions but are usually essentially casual roles (I explain this because I had no idea), with a typical hourly rate of around $80ish according to dr. google. Not to say that's what they paid Bevo

[The Underdog]

Geelong officially sign Jack Martin. Commentators fawn over their genius while conveniently ignoring the fact that Carlton just let him walk away rather than pay him to be injured all the time.