Bulldog ONLY Trade News

[bulldogtragic]

Reports afel media that we have offered our F1 for GCS Pick 13 (they got from us this year). 6 clubs chasing the pick.

Carlton have offered up F1 & F2. So we might need to add pick/s to beat them if we really want it.

[EasternWest]

Reports afel media that we have offered our F1 for GCS Pick 13 (they got from us this year). 6 clubs chasing the pick.

Prima facie why would they go for this?

[bulldogtragic]

On face value why would they go for this?

They have an academy kid again, so it’s likely to go to the highest bidder. Currently Carlton with an extra F2. But they might want the points this year, so our picks from CD, Jack &/or 47 might do it.

Assuming Smith & F2 is 1st & F1. Big assumption.

That’d give us 13, 17, 35 or so this year plus, and a first next year still with a lot of spare salary cap.

[bulldogtragic]

The club thinks we are finishing top 8 or higher again.

[chef]

I'd rather hold our F1, will probs be a top 10 pick next season.

[EasternWest]

They have an academy kid again, so it’s likely to go to the highest bidder. Currently Carlton with an extra F2. But they might want the points this year, so our picks from CD, Jack &/or 47 might do it.

Assuming Smith & F2 is 1st & F1. Big assumption.

That’d give us 13, 17, 35 or so this year plus, and a first next year still with a lot of spare salary cap.

My head is spinning and I don't understand any of this. That's why we've got you.

[bulldogtragic]

My head is spinning and I don't understand any of this. That's why we've got you.

Essentially we won the trade casino with GCS and want to bet it all, double or nothing. I posted this morning we could try this, but would need some convincing. I’d really want to know we’ve got the first & F1 for Smith. If this occurs, then I’m happy to trade a F1 for Pick 13 this year, knowing there’s still one for next year.

Sounds like it’s going to be fierce competition for it.

[whythelongface]

They have an academy kid again, so it?s likely to go to the highest bidder. Currently Carlton with an extra F2. But they might want the points this year, so our picks from CD, Jack &/or 47 might do it.

Assuming Smith & F2 is 1st & F1. Big assumption.

That?d give us 13, 17, 35 or so this year plus, and a first next year still with a lot of spare salary cap.

Do we go to the draft or will we be making a play for someone? Interesting 10 days ahead

[Happy Days]

Prima facie why would they go for this?

My man said “Prima facie”

[bulldogtragic]

Do we go to the draft or will we be making a play for someone? Interesting 10 days ahead

That’s the fascinating thing. North & WCE are putting up picks 2 & 3 for multiple firsts and an F1.

If we turned Smith, CD, say 46 & 47, F1 & F2 for an out and out gun midfielder at Pick 3 & F2 would we want that from North?

So there’s an opportunity to rise to the really pointy end.

Or trade aggressively.

Or load up of late first round talent.


It’s another ballsy moved from Power whichever way he ultimately goes if he does it again.

[EasternWest]

My man said “Prima facie”

I didn't at first. But then I changed it because I wanted to sound more intellectumual because I was wading in waters too deep for me.

[Grantysghost]

That’s the fascinating thing. North & WCE are putting up picks 2 & 3 for multiple firsts and an F1.

If we turned Smith, CD, say 46 & 47, F1 & F2 for an out and out gun midfielder at Pick 3 & F2 would we want that from North?

So there’s an opportunity to rise to the really pointy end.

Or trade aggressively.

Or load up of late first round talent.


It’s another ballsy moved from Power whichever way he ultimately goes if he does it again.
Deeper draft I think we take the picks and use them.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I didn't at first. But then I changed it because I wanted to sound more intellectumual because I was wading in waters too deep for me.

BT don't play like that.

[bulldogtragic]

Deeper draft I think we take the picks and use them.

Playing with numbers. If we need to supplement our F1. If we can get 46 for Jack. 46 & 47 = Pick 29 in points to add to our F1. That’s a strong offer to GCS. If we can get 25 for CD (30 after bids) say a F3 if necessary to add for argument sake. Smith & F2 for 17 & F1.

2024: Natural Picks 13, 17, 25 & 35 and delisted free agent
2025: First (Geel), JOD elevated, LOTS of salary cap (FA?)
2026: West and perhaps Cooney

[bulldogtragic]

The Age also confirming we are after Pick 13 too.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

What if we want Butters next year?

[bulldogtragic]

What if we want Butters next year?

He’s signed until 2026. If he comes before then they’ll be asking for Marra.

[mjp]

He’s signed until 2026. If he comes before then they’ll be asking for Marra.

I'd do that.

[bulldogtragic]

Monday AM Update:

- Dogs after GCS Pick 13
- Dogs have 4 year offer for XOH
- Saints going to fight not to give up Pick 46 for Jack
- Garcia & CD yet to advise the club of intentions
- Sounds like Geelong’s offer is 17 (20+) alone for BS

[GVGjr]

Monday AM Update:

- Dogs after GCS Pick 13
- Dogs have 4 year offer for XOH
- Saints going to fight not to give up Pick 46 for Jack
- Garcia & CD yet to advise the club of intentions
- Sounds like Geelong’s offer is 17 (20+) alone for BS

Good summary.

After our early interest in Barrass and Houston, I'm a little surprised we aren't currently linked to at least one more player from another club but there is plenty of time for that to happen.

[bornadog]

Monday AM Update:

- Dogs after GCS Pick 13


From AFL site

The Demons and Bulldogs have both offered their future first-round pick in exchange for Gold Coast's pick 13, while the Swans have put forward picks 19 and 22.

[chef]

I'd do that.

Me too.

[azabob]

I am fully on board with trading our F1 and other picks to get GCS pick 13.

The draft appears to be stacked with midfielders in the first 20 odd picks.

As they stand, taking picks 13, 17, 35 and 47 to this years draft is crazy good and something we should do.

[Axe Man]

From AFL site

The Demons and Bulldogs have both offered their future first-round pick in exchange for Gold Coast's pick 13, while the Swans have put forward picks 19 and 22.

Carlton are offering their F1 and F2. Unless Gold Coast expects us to be crap next year I don't think we are going to win the auction with just our F1.

[bulldogtragic]

Carlton are offering their F1 and F2. Unless Gold Coast expects us to be crap next year I don't think we are going to win the auction with just our F1.

Yep. The question is is whether they want an F2 or points equal to a Second this year. We can do that easily enough if we want to up our offer.

[bornadog]

From The Age


The Bulldogs are also expected to drive a hard bargain with St Kilda for premiership midfielder Jack Macrae.

A source with knowledge of the negotiations, who would not be named to speak freely, said the Western Bulldogs were prepared to hold Macrae to his contract if the right deal can?t be found.

Macrae was on the fringes of selection in 2024 and ended up starting as a sub in the elimination final after being overlooked for James Harmes, who was playing his first match since round 12.

Macrae is contracted until 2027. An industry source, who preferred to remain anonymous while negotiations were under way, confirmed that the Saints were not keen to hand over pick 46 for the 30-year-old, who has battled for a permanent position in the Bulldogs? midfield in the past two seasons.

Both clubs are expected to use historic examples of trades of contracted veterans to argue their case when it comes to the trade.

[bulldogtragic]

From The Age

Seriously 46 is a straight up fair deal. Do it and move on.

[comrade]

Pick 46 too much for Jack ****ing Macrae? Alright, Saints.

[Mantis]

Pick 46 too much for Jack ****ing Macrae? Alright, Saints.

The system is completely broken.

Noble is potentially worth pick 13, but Macrae pick 60 something??

[angelopetraglia]

The system is completely broken.

Noble is potentially worth pick 13, but Macrae pick 60 something??

Agree.

However. We damaged Macrae's value during the year. We dropped him. Played him as a sub in the final. So we told the footy world he is surplus to our needs. Why would you play top value for a player who can't make the best 22 of a team that can't get past the first week of the finals?

[Happy Days]

I am fully on board with trading our F1 and other picks to get GCS pick 13.

The draft appears to be stacked with midfielders in the first 20 odd picks.

As they stand, taking picks 13, 17, 35 and 47 to this years draft is crazy good and something we should do.

Can we use GC as a holding company to trade our future first for our current first in perpetuity? Honestly would be a great bit if nothing else.

[comrade]

Agree.

However. We damaged Macrae's value during the year. We dropped him. Played him as a sub in the final. So we told the footy world he is surplus to our needs. Why would you play top value for a player who can't make the best 22 of a team that can't get past the first week of the finals?

He?s contracted and the Saints want him. He?s not surplus to their needs, which is the most important element. Pay a more than fair price and get a deal done, rather than convince a player to request a trade then lowball the seller and deal in bad faith. From the outside looking in, we?re expected to act like door mats by the footy world.

[angelopetraglia]

He?s contracted and the Saints want him. He?s not surplus to their needs, which is the most important element. Pay a more than fair price and get a deal done, rather than convince a player to request a trade then lowball the seller and deal in bad faith. From the outside looking in, we?re expected to act like door mats by the footy world.

Agree. We have leverage as he his contracted. However, my point is still valid. His value would have been higher if we traded him last year.

[Mantis]

Agree. We have leverage as he his contracted. However, my point is still valid. His value would have been higher if we traded him last year.

I fully understand Macrae?s value has been lessened by our use of him, but when compared to Noble one would think their respective worth would be similar.

Maybe Noble holds a little higher value, but not to the level that is being reported.

[Grantysghost]

I'd do that.

And you wanna be my latex salesman......

[Axe Man]

The system is completely broken.

Noble is potentially worth pick 13, but Macrae pick 60 something??

I don't think anybody thinks Noble is worth pick 13 and that's not the deal being proposed:


Collingwood, meanwhile, is targeting the pick as part of the John Noble trade to the Suns. That would require the Magpies to also give up a future first-round pick, but they would also look to get back pick 23 from Gold Coast in return.

[G-Mo77]

Agree.

However. We damaged Macrae's value during the year. We dropped him. Played him as a sub in the final. So we told the footy world he is surplus to our needs. Why would you play top value for a player who can't make the best 22 of a team that can't get past the first week of the finals?

Sadly you're right. I think 46 is fair for both parties and think they'll fall to that eventually I can't blame them for trying though.

We hardly played him and we are over paying him, they're kind of doing us a favour by taking him off our books and those deals tend to be very lop sided. We got Treloar for a downgrade of picks, we're not that desperate to clear space as much as Collingwood were back then but it's heavily in our favour, supporters are not going to be pleased if they're expecting a lot in return.

[bornadog]

Agree.

However. We damaged Macrae's value during the year. We dropped him. Played him as a sub in the final. So we told the footy world he is surplus to our needs. Why would you play top value for a player who can't make the best 22 of a team that can't get past the first week of the finals?

Although he was sub a few times, still ended up with 19 games for the year

[Axe Man]

Sadly you're right. I think 46 is fair for both parties and think they'll fall to that eventually I can't blame them for trying though.

We hardly played him and we are over paying him, they're kind of doing us a favour by taking him off our books and those deals tend to be very lop sided. We got Treloar for a downgrade of picks, we're not that desperate to clear space as much as Collingwood were back then but it's heavily in our favour, supporters are not going to be pleased if they're expecting a lot in return.

I don't disagree with what you are saying but the prevailing narrative that he was playing VFL for most of the year simply isn't true. He played 3 VFL games. The first was when he was returning from injury at the start of the season. The only other time he was out of the side was from rounds 21-23 when he played 2 VFL games. 19 AFL games is not hardly playing him, especially when he wasn't available for selection for the first couple of weeks.

[lemmon]

Agree.

However. We damaged Macrae's value during the year. We dropped him. Played him as a sub in the final. So we told the footy world he is surplus to our needs. Why would you play top value for a player who can't make the best 22 of a team that can't get past the first week of the finals?

All of those things are true, but also irrelevant. He's contracted, so at the end of the day his value is whatever we deem it to be. It's the same with XOH - we'll have to give up whatever GWS deem valuable enough to release him from his contract.

At the end of the day, it's an 18-team competition and there's no point giving a leg up to rivals unless we're receiving compensation that we deem fair value.

[jazzadogs]

AFL website says Sam Power will be on trade radio at 1pm. Would love a summary from anyone who is able to listen in!

[azabob]

AFL website says Sam Power will be on trade radio at 1pm. Would love a summary from anyone who is able to listen in!

jazzdogs, not sure if you know or not but there will be a podcast replay up throughout the day.

[jazzadogs]

jazzdogs, not sure if you know or not but there will be a podcast replay up throughout the day.

Thanks. What's the ratio of ads to content during the podcast? Can't be worse than the live product.

[Hotdog60]

AFL website says Sam Power will be on trade radio at 1pm. Would love a summary from anyone who is able to listen in!

Played a straight bat and gave away nothing.

[my plums]

Played a straight bat and gave away nothing.

He said a lot without saying anything at all.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Played a straight bat and gave away nothing.


He said a lot without saying anything at all.

So which was it? :D

[bornadog]

AFL website says Sam Power will be on trade radio at 1pm. Would love a summary from anyone who is able to listen in!


Played a straight bat and gave away nothing.

*Bailey Smith - Looking for a lot more - when pressed what that is said just looking for a lot.
* Macrae - No chats with Saints at this stage. Unless it suits Dogs, won't be giving him away
* Caleb Daniel - No indication from his management about staying or going.
* XOH - No comment, he is a contracted player
* Looking at athletic mids
* Pick 13 - If we don't get that, we are open to trading for other opportunities to get into round 1
* Dan Housten - I missed exactly what he said.

[Countrydog5]

List managers, media members and player managers alike would all hate how close Sam keeps his cards to his chest. I'm starting to think he's stitched his eyelids to his forehead because the man does not blink, or give even the slightest of hints as to what he's thinking. It's hilarious

[jazzadogs]

*Bailey Smith - Looking for a lot more - when pressed what that is said just looking for a lot.
* Macrae - No chats with Saints at this stage. Unless it suits Dogs, won't be giving him away
* Caleb Daniel - No indication from his management about staying or going.
* XOH - No comment, he is a contracted player
* Looking at athletic mids
* Pick 13 - If we don't get that, we are open to trading for other opportunities to get into round 1
* Dan Housten - I missed exactly what he said.

Contracted no comment.

[jazzadogs]

List managers, media members and player managers alike would all hate how close Sam keeps his cards to his chest. I'm starting to think he's stitched his eyelids to his forehead because the man does not blink, or give even the slightest of hints as to what he's thinking. It's hilarious

I ended up being able to listen and it was very funny how they crossed back to the hosts who immediately slammed him for being boring and not giving them anything to talk about.

Stupid Sam Power doing his job, rather than creating #content about who he thinks is #gettable.

Edit: just realised the hosts are Tom Morris and Dan Hanneberry who both famously love the Bulldogs.

[bornadog]

"We think Bailey is worth a lot. We expect a lot for him."


- Sam Power on Bailey Smith

[chef]

"We think Bailey is worth a lot. We expect a lot for him."


- Sam Power on Bailey Smith

Sadly we don't have any hand. Uncontracted puts us in a beggar position.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Sadly we don't have any hand. Uncontracted puts us in a beggar position.

There were rumours about hawks offering pick 5 for him last year. You wonder what, if any, offers we had and what we may have knocked back.

[Jeanette54]

If the Saints trade of Jack Macrae doesn't happen, would he still play for us? I have no doubt that he has been told he may not get to play in the position he wants this season, but still hoping he remains with us.

I hate this time of year; Jack should be a Bulldog for life.

[angelopetraglia]

If the Saints trade of Jack Macrae doesn't happen, would he still play for us? I have no doubt that he has been told he may not get to play in the position he wants this season, but still hoping he remains with us.

I hate this time of year; Jack should be a Bulldog for life.

He is contracted. He doesn't have a choice. If we don't trade him. He will play in the red, white and blue.

[angelopetraglia]

Sam Power three minute interview for those interested.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1843113161811181994

[angelopetraglia]

"We are waiting on an answer from Caleb Daniel, he has plenty to think about. We think we can provide him with an ideal playing position." - Brady Rawlings, North Melbourne List Manager

[angelopetraglia]

"Ivan is a contracted player and there' a fair bit of work to do. Exactly the same with Jack Macrae. We have run a dual narrative with the draft and trade. We will go to the Draft again this year." - David Misson, St Kilda GM of Footy

[azabob]

Thanks. What's the ratio of ads to content during the podcast? Can't be worse than the live product.

One or two adds at the start then zero until the end. The only way to listen.

[Countrydog5]

I ended up being able to listen and it was very funny how they crossed back to the hosts who immediately slammed him for being boring and not giving them anything to talk about.

Stupid Sam Power doing his job, rather than creating #content about who he thinks is #gettable.

Edit: just realised the hosts are Tom Morris and Dan Hanneberry who both famously love the Bulldogs.

Approach a famously tight lipped list manager for an interview, be shocked and upset said list manager gives nothing away. Really stunned the two Einstein's in Morris and Hannebery

[Sedat]

One or two adds at the start then zero until the end. The only way to listen.
Yes, but it doesn't feel the same without hearing ads for Robot Building Supplies and Ace Gutters every 5 minutes.

[jeemak]

Yes, but it doesn't feel the same without hearing ads for Robot Building Supplies and Ace Gutters every 5 minutes.

Can somebody get Franco off the toilet? It?s not connected!!

[Grantysghost]

Sam Power three minute interview for those interested.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1843113161811181994

Thanks AP! Love Sam, he winds people up by being so vanilla but that's exactly what I want.
Did he accidently say court there!?

[Scraggers]

What is Sam Power's record when being bent over on deals? From my recollection he has stood firm and done us good. I can't recall a deal that was well-unders what we were asking for (please correct me if I'm wrong)

If I am correct, I am happy to play hard ball with Bailey Smith and let him walk to the PSD. I would rather get Sweet FA than lose a deal to Geelong. Happy to play real hardball here ... play stupid games, win stupid prizes ... happy to get nothing for him and Richmond get a free hit (like them more than Geelong) :p

[GVGjr]

*Bailey Smith - Looking for a lot more - when pressed what that is said just looking for a lot.
* Macrae - No chats with Saints at this stage. Unless it suits Dogs, won't be giving him away
* Caleb Daniel - No indication from his management about staying or going.
* XOH - No comment, he is a contracted player
* Looking at athletic mids
* Pick 13 - If we don't get that, we are open to trading for other opportunities to get into round 1
* Dan Housten - I missed exactly what he said.

Good summary
Regarding Houston, he basically just said there is a lot of interest in him but he's contracted.

Bloody hard to expect more direct or detailed answers unless a player has actually put in a request to come too us.
Power is copping a bit of stick for his straight bat answers but it's not like he can share much more than what he has.

[Grantysghost]

Good summary
Regarding Houston, he basically just said there is a lot of interest in him but he's contracted.

Bloody hard to expect more direct or detailed answers unless a player has actually put in a request to come too us.
Power is copping a bit of stick for his straight bat answers but it's not like he can share much more than what he has.
Lots of flogs on socials isn't there.

The sky is falling and no one will make it stop.

What exactly do they want him to say?

[jazzadogs]

We have increased our offer to Garcia, from two years to three years. To me this indicates that we are valuing his signature higher now that our other targets are highly unlikely. Hope he stays and works on his deficits.

[DOG GOD]

I'd do that.

100%

[bulldogtragic]

Monday AM Update:

- Dogs after GCS Pick 13
- Dogs have 4 year offer for XOH
- Saints going to fight not to give up Pick 46 for Jack
- Garcia & CD yet to advise the club of intentions
- Sounds like Geelong?s offer is 17 (20+) alone for BS

Monday PM Update

- Collingwood now strong favourites for GCS Pick 13
- XOH unlikely to be released
- Saints haven?t made a formal offer for Jack
- Garcia offer from us increased to 3 years, CD yet to decide
- Geelong still sound a long way off


We are firing more blanks than Tom Cruise.

[Happy Days]

- Collingwood now strong favourites for GCS Pick 13
- XOH unlikely to be released
- Saints haven?t made a formal offer for Jack
- Garcia offer from us increased to 3 years, CD yet to decide
- Geelong still sound a long way off


We are firing more blanks than Tom Cruise.

We can always recruit Ethan Hunt out of the VFL team though.

[GVGjr]

We have increased our offer to Garcia, from two years to three years. To me this indicates that we are valuing his signature higher now that our other targets are highly unlikely. Hope he stays and works on his deficits.

He should jump at a 3 year offer. He's still got some improvement to achieve as well.

[DOG GOD]

Monday PM Update

- Collingwood now strong favourites for GCS Pick 13
- XOH unlikely to be released
- Saints haven?t made a formal offer for Jack
- Garcia offer from us increased to 3 years, CD yet to decide
- Geelong still sound a long way off


We are firing more blanks than Tom Cruise.

Geel has a dunk/Bris vibe all over it. I can see it going down to the last 1/2 hour and we accept pick 17 and 17 only.

[Eastdog]

Geel has a dunk/Bris vibe all over it. I can see it going down to the last 1/2 hour and we accept pick 17 and 17 only.

Yeah I know what you mean. I hope we don’t give in that easily and get the best possible deal.

Him being out of contract makes a difference.

[azabob]

North are offering Caleb Daniel a four year contract according to Mitch Cleary.

Currently he has two more years remaining.

[1eyedog]

Another two Bulldog Premiership players potentially running around against us next season. Sheez.

Not sure Geelong are factoring in the boost to membership and merchandise sales Smith will bring in next year. How do you quantify it though?

[Eastdog]

Yes, but it doesn't feel the same without hearing ads for Robot Building Supplies and Ace Gutters every 5 minutes.

And Spitwater :D

[Grantysghost]

North are offering Caleb Daniel a four year contract according to Mitch Cleary.

Currently he has two more years remaining.
He'd be mad not to take that. He needs to look after himself.

[bulldogtragic]

He'd be mad not to take that. He needs to look after himself.

Yep. And North have to offer up 25 (30 after bids) too.

Win-Win.

[1eyedog]

You can't say we don't have a clear plan re. the type of players we're after or that we're not turning over the list (or keeping our vets a year too long).

[1eyedog]

What is Sam Power's record when being bent over on deals? From my recollection he has stood firm and done us good. I can't recall a deal that was well-unders what we were asking for (please correct me if I'm wrong)

If I am correct, I am happy to play hard ball with Bailey Smith and let him walk to the PSD. I would rather get Sweet FA than lose a deal to Geelong. Happy to play real hardball here ... play stupid games, win stupid prizes ... happy to get nothing for him and Richmond get a free hit (like them more than Geelong) :p

We're running a business no one at the club would cut their noses to spite their faces, and rightfully so!

I wasn't happy with the Dunkley numbers or the Stringer numbers at the time but I was proven wrong on that count.

Yeah the Dunkley one wasn't great nor was the Kelvin Templeton one but luckily a bit before Power's time.

[GVGjr]

North are offering Caleb Daniel a four year contract according to Mitch Cleary.

Currently he has two more years remaining.

This will be a huge test. He seems to love the club, players and coaches but a 4 year deal is compelling.
Most people in his position would ask the club to trade him but Daniel might not.

[jazzadogs]

This will be a huge test. He seems to love the club, players and coaches but a 4 year deal is compelling.
Most people in his position would ask the club to trade him but Daniel might not.

I wonder how the salary compares (I assume his current contract is good money?), and whether the Dogs would extend his tenure by spreading out his salary. Match the years, reduce our salary burden, get close to what north are offering?

I am also comfortable with him cashing in if north are offering more cash, assuming we get a return that reflects that.

[GVGjr]

I wonder how the salary compares (I assume his current contract is good money?), and whether the Dogs would extend his tenure by spreading out his salary. Match the years, reduce our salary burden, get close to what north are offering?

I am also comfortable with him cashing in if north are offering more cash, assuming we get a return that reflects that.

North have some cap room so I'd imagine it could be a lucrative incentive for him.
Lets say he's on 650K with us. They might be offering 2M+ spread over the 4 years.

[jeemak]

North are offering Caleb Daniel a four year contract according to Mitch Cleary.

Currently he has two more years remaining.

Soooo, that's closer to a first round than a second round pick for him then.

He's contracted, we can afford him and we'll use him. If they want to double his tenure then it's time for them to pay up.

AA, Sutton medalist, still plenty of good years apparently. Late first is the compensation.

[jeemak]

Yep. And North have to offer up 25 (30 after bids) too.

Win-Win.

25 isn't enough.

If they're willing to offer up four years then it's actually a massive deal. They need to throw in a sweetener.

[bulldogtragic]

25 isn't enough.

If they're willing to offer up four years then it's actually a massive deal. They need to throw in a sweetener.

Problem 25 is it’s the third pick in the second round. It’s a really good second rounder. Not sure they’d add a F2, unless it was a swap of F2 or swap of F3. If more was demanded and offered maybe their 43 for our 47? Then 47 to Sydney for Parker?

I agree the contract is in the minimum pick 25 range.

It’s definitely getting to the point of not convincing him to stay at this range. He, Jack & Smith is $2M plus the recently savings from Hunter, Schache (lesser) & Dunkley. If we could find players that wanted to play here and take it, that’s be huge.

[G-Mo77]

Again I ask this, how can we expect a high 2nd rounder when we can't even find a place for him in the best 22. They can offer him 10 years, that does not change his value which we completely destroyed in 2024.

[ReLoad]

Again I ask this, how can we expect a high 2nd rounder when we can't even find a place for him in the best 22. They can offer him 10 years, that does not change his value which we completely destroyed in 2024.

Its not the value to us, its rather the value to them.

[bulldogtragic]

Its not the value to us, its rather the value to them.

This. They really want him and he’s contracted. He’s a great addition for them to put their young guns in the middle and have him at HB. He makes them a much better balanced side and a great leader too. If they want that as they do then 25 (30) is the starting point.

[GVGjr]

Again I ask this, how can we expect a high 2nd rounder when we can't even find a place for him in the best 22. They can offer him 10 years, that does not change his value which we completely destroyed in 2024.

Assuming Macrae heads to the Saints then I'd say Daniel is right back into the 22 because basically they were fighting for the same spot.
Daniel actually meets a lot of the requirements that North are chasing and that's why they have put a 4 year deal in front of him.
They're not just taking on his contract, they're appear to wanting to invest in him for the longer term
Perhaps we have to give a little something back too North to even out the deal but if that trade goes through it's good for both teams.
North get the experience, versatility and great team player that he is and we get a pick in the top 30. Their list is already stacked with draft talent so they are open to bringing in a few players to work with and support those youngsters.

[G-Mo77]

This. They really want him and he’s contracted. He’s a great addition for them to put their young guns in the middle and have him at HB. He makes them a much better balanced side and a great leader too. If they want that as they do then 25 (30) is the starting point.

Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.

[bulldogtragic]

Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.

No bulldog cap here. It’s in effect Pick 30. They’re offering 4 years and have stated they need leaders like him on field and for their balance on field we led they need him. He’s under contract and we don’t have to deal. Without compo picks their natural 3rd would be 39. My position he’s worth slightly more than that owing to him being contracted and them putting up 4 years. He’s got a spot with us next year, unless North back it up. If they do with 25 (30) then we let him go. If not he stays. North are doing the chasing and throwing around large year contracts. North have to pay a fair price if they want that.

[G-Mo77]

The way I see it we don't trade him at all. He's not worth a 2nd on the market right now and is a valuable player if used correctly. Losing potentially 3 senior players and getting some numbers back is a horrible situation for us, we need to tread very carefully here.

[bulldogtragic]

The way I see it we don't trade him at all. He's not worth a 2nd on the market right now and is a valuable player if used correctly. Losing potentially 3 senior players and getting some numbers back is a horrible situation for us, we need to tread very carefully here.

I don’t think he gets traded except for that 25 (3). To me it’s either a good enough pick to warrant the trade or he stays. We need to keep rebuilding on the move and a solid pick helps that. But on this one I’m happy enough to see it go through at a good price or keep him. I’m not overly fussed.

[GVGjr]

Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.

It's apples and oranges, North have a plethora of young talent and their needs are vastly different to ours. They've identified Daniel as someone they want to bring into their squad and they might be comfortable enough to pay a bit overs.
I agree that on face value they would be overpaying and perhaps we will have to give something else back but their needs are very different to ours.