The Herald Scum

[1eyedog]

I'm not in the habit of abusing newspapers, occasionally I will get irate about a football writer's statements but today's Herald Bulldogs match review is a Barry Crocker and Jon Ralph is usual suspect. Ralph's best players afield yesterday for the Dogs were (in order) Cooney, Johnson, Giansiracusa, EAGLETON, LAKE, Boyd and Morris. No Hahn (he never is in the best), no Callan and no Murphy. No problem with The Coon and Johnno (even Guido) at the top but Eagleton being the 4th best Bulldog on the ground is an insult to the guys who actually spilt red, white and blue yesterday to get us across the line.

Let's look at the stats;

Nathan Eagleton (14 disposals, 71% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 4 clearances, 0 tackles, 1 goal).

Brian Lake (11 disposals, 82% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 0 clearances, 0 tackles, 0 goals).

Mitch Hahn (18 disposals, 67% effective, 2 contested marks, 9 contested possies, 1 clearance, 2 tackles, 2 goals, and 5 inside 50s).

Tim Callan (21 disposals, 57% effective, 1 contested mark, 10 contested possies, 2 tackles, 1 goal).

It seems that the writers at the Herald Sun simply want to be entertained rather than appreciate hard at it footy, no wonder outsiders like Buckley have received so much good press over the years! How do these people get this job?:confused:

[camwoof]

agree, great observation. It is like they look at who scores the most fantasy football points and then name their best from that.

[1eyedog]

Do they just look at effective possessions?

[bornadog]

Murphy and Hahn were good in patches. Murphy set us up in the second quarter, but was shut out of the game in the second half. Hahn was his normal bullocking style, but I wouldn't say in the best. Callan was fantastic and agree Eagleton could have done more and should not have been named in the best. In fact two vital mistakes in the last quarter nearly cost us the game, thenn he redeemed himself with the last goal.

As for Guido, I thought he played a great game with 18 kicks and 8 handballs, yet a lot of our WOOF posters didn't give him a vote.

[camwoof]

That game was made for Hahn with his bullocking style

[Desipura]

I'm not in the habit of abusing newspapers, occasionally I will get irate about a football writer's statements but today's Herald Bulldogs match review is a Barry Crocker and Jon Ralph is usual suspect. Ralph's best players afield yesterday for the Dogs were (in order) Cooney, Johnson, Giansiracusa, EAGLETON, LAKE, Boyd and Morris. No Hahn (he never is in the best), no Callan and no Murphy. No problem with The Coon and Johnno (even Guido) at the top but Eagleton being the 4th best Bulldog on the ground is an insult to the guys who actually spilt red, white and blue yesterday to get us across the line.

Let's look at the stats;

Nathan Eagleton (14 disposals, 71% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 4 clearances, 0 tackles, 1 goal).

Brian Lake (11 disposals, 82% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 0 clearances, 0 tackles, 0 goals).

Mitch Hahn (18 disposals, 67% effective, 2 contested marks, 9 contested possies, 1 clearance, 2 tackles, 2 goals, and 5 inside 50s).

Tim Callan (21 disposals, 57% effective, 1 contested mark, 10 contested possies, 2 tackles, 1 goal).

It seems that the writers at the Herald Sun simply want to be entertained rather than appreciate hard at it footy, no wonder outsiders like Buckley have received so much good press over the years! How do these people get this job?:confused:
Totally agree, in fact when I saw Eagle named as 4th best, I had to look twice as I thought I was looking in the goalscorers column. I neearly pulled my hair out when Eagle turned it over in the dying minutes.

[1eyedog]

Murphy and Hahn were good in patches. Murphy set us up in the second quarter, but was shut out of the game in the second half. Hahn was his normal bullocking style, but I wouldn't say in the best. Callan was fantastic and agree Eagleton could have done more and should not have been named in the best. In fact two vital mistakes in the last quarter nearly cost us the game, thenn he redeemed himself with the last goal.

As for Guido, I thought he played a great game with 18 kicks and 8 handballs, yet a lot of our WOOF posters didn't give him a vote.

Eagleton got fed that goal (by Callan?)

[1eyedog]

Totally agree, in fact when I saw Eagle named as 4th best, I had to look twice as I thought I was looking in the goalscorers column. I neearly pulled my hair out when Eagle turned it over in the dying minutes.

Yep I know, I screamed his name out in the match day thread.

[Cyberdoggie]

effective possesions don't tell the whole story really.
it's working on percentages of totals, and we aren't talking high numbers here so 1 errant kick can change percentage by more than 10% for example.

Mitch hahn isn't a high possesion getter and most of his kick are under pressure (usually when he's got 3 players hanging on to him!) so of course he's not going to be high up there on the ratings.

Someone like eagleton will gather easy short kicks often, therefore his percentage will be much higher. What it doesn't tell you about eagleton is that he made 2 collosal blunders that went straight to opposition and resulted in goals. The last one put sydney back in the game in the last quarter.

[Mantis]

As for Guido, I thought he played a great game with 18 kicks and 8 handballs, yet a lot of our WOOF posters didn't give him a vote.

Yeah I didn't give him a vote, but I thought it was one of Gia's best games for quite a while.

[Desipura]

Yeah I didn't give him a vote, but I thought it was one of Gia's best games for quite a while.
I just do not like seeing him in the back half, gets caught out of position too often. Remember the McVeigh mark?

[DOG GOD]

If it wasnt for Cooney and Hahn we wouldve been rolled. Hahn is having a stellar year imo, with his hardness and toughness at the ball. How many times does he keep the ball alive when others would be happy to just contain it.

Hats off to him. He looks fit and hungry, something he didnt look last year for obvious reasons.

Well done mitch.

[LostDoggy]

I believe it was Hahn's best ever game. He killed them, the way he was attacking the ball, scared them, took marks, kicked goals, broke packs, etc . It was very intimidating.

[bornadog]

I just do not like seeing him in the back half, gets caught out of position too often. Remember the McVeigh mark?

One error

[bornadog]

Eagleton got fed that goal (by Callan?)

Johnno passed iot to him.

[LostDoggy]

I wouldn't be suprised if Eagleton makes way from someone else in a few weeks. Especially with Ray having spent a few at Willy.

[The Coon Dog]

I reckon the headline is a little harsh there 1ED.

No doubt the jouno in question was way off beam in his observation & apart from Damien Barrett's hatchet job a week or so back, I think the Herald Sun have been pretty good in their reporting of Bulldogs issues, particularly Mark Stevens.

[Mantis]

I reckon the headline is a little harsh there 1ED.

No doubt the jouno in question was way off beam in his observation & apart from Damien Barrett's hatchet job a week or so back, I think the Herald Sun have been pretty good in their reporting of Bulldogs issues, particularly Mark Stevens.

World's best job, gets to write articles about the team he passionately supports.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I to agree with the outdated and miss informed ratings. What do you expect when they probably only watch the TV.

let them go and keep writing up the Cats & Hawks, IMO I'd be quite happy to keep the Lid on it.

[1eyedog]

I reckon the headline is a little harsh there 1ED.

No doubt the jouno in question was way off beam in his observation & apart from Damien Barrett's hatchet job a week or so back, I think the Herald Sun have been pretty good in their reporting of Bulldogs issues, particularly Mark Stevens.

Fair enough if your a Herald reader TCD, I'm an Age reader, Mark Stevens I like as I stated in favourite journos thread. I'm not going to get into any lengthy diatribe regarding the pros and cons of the articles from each paper.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Hahn's having a super season and from what I've observed, most people have taken note of this. When reading upon our sudden improvement and good form this year, Hahn is consistently one of the names mentioned along with Murphy & Cooney. It's nice to see him recognized because he's been fantastic this season and will be a huge boost come Finals. We're a much better side with Hahn playing well.

It's odd however, that he didn't feature in the bests.

Nevertheless, if somebody asked who our three most improved players were then Cooney, Murphy & Hahn would win hands down. Adam's in contention for a Brownlow at this stage of the season, whilst Murphy has been brilliant and deadly. Hahn as mentioned above has added so much to our squad, it's a pleasure to watch.

[Desipura]

One error
Correction 2 errors. Off the top of my head. How about the Deledio mark in the 3rd quarter.
As I said fwd of the centre is where I prefer him to be.

[bornadog]

Correction 2 errors. Off the top of my head. How about the Deledio mark in the 3rd quarter.
As I said fwd of the centre is where I prefer him to be.

I was actually talking about the Swans game. But hey, two errors in seven games bit harsh on him

I agree forward of centre is a better position for him, but I think he is playing well this season and doggies supporters are not acknowledging it. He has averaged over 20 disposals per game , with 26 on the week end, yet very few on this board gave him a vote.

[1eyedog]

He has averaged over 20 disposals per game , with 26 on the week end, yet very few on this board gave him a vote.

There were alot of good players on the weekend. I gave him 1 then changed it and gave it to Callan. Guido did play very well.

[LostDoggy]

Gia was magnificent on Sunday.

[Desipura]

I was actually talking about the Swans game. But hey, two errors in seven games bit harsh on him

I agree forward of centre is a better position for him, but I think he is playing well this season and doggies supporters are not acknowledging it. He has averaged over 20 disposals per game , with 26 on the week end, yet very few on this board gave him a vote.
He is playing well this season and deserves his spot in the team

[Topdog]

Gia was magnificent on Sunday.

Won us the game with his start to the 4th quarter.


He is playing well this season and deserves his spot in the team

His spot in the team has never been in doubt.

[ledge]

No one said he isnt playing well, was just pointed out he is not good in the backline because he is more a ball carrier, attacker, reciever and goal kicker, he is not a defender.
The errors he has made in the backline are not errors a true backman makes and dont look good.
He looks out of his position when he plays there and gets caught out.
Not questioning his efforts or whether he is playing well.
Anyone who has been to the games have seen it.