The Scott Clayton Legacy

[Rocket Science]

Weirdly enough, began working on this a couple of days ago, only to discover the news of Scott Clayton's pending departure this arvo.

Consider this a retrospective look at Clayton's handywork for the club since crossing from Brisbane in 1999, with the final chapter yet to be written of course (2008 draft), and the jury still out on much of his more recent work.

This really just lays Clayton's work on the table without seriously scrutinising it at this stage, but makes for interesting reflecting and hopefully encourages further debate/analysis as to Clayton's contributions over almost a decade at the club. Might add some analysis of my own over the next couple days, time permitting.

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THE SCOTT CLAYTON LEGACY:
1999 - 2008
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2007

2007 NATIONAL DRAFT:

5 - Jarrad Grant
19 - Callan Ward
35 - Sam Reid
43 - Easton Wood
48 - Jarrad Boumann
63 - Guy O'Keefe
67 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

7 - Rhys Palmer
10 - Patrick Dangerfield
12 - Cyril Rioli
13 - Brad Ebert
17 - Harry Taylor
22 - Scott Selwood
52 - Bradd Dalziell
59 - Craig Bird

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2007 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

4 - Scott Welsh

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

Nobody of note

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2007 ROOKIE DRAFT:

4 - James Mulligan
20 - Henry White
36 - John Shaw

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

19 - Austin Wonaeamirri

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Ben Hudson and pick #43 (Easton Wood) - obtained for picks #30 (Jarrhan Jacky) and #38 (Myke Cook)
- Tim Callan and pick #67 (pass) - obtained for pick #62 (Josh Smith)
- Pick #19 (Callan Ward) - obtained for Jordan McMahon
- Pick #48 (Jarrad Boumann) - obtained for Sam Power

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STATUS OF 2007 ACQUISITIONS:

- Jarrad Grant - reserves player
- Callan Ward - fringe player (5 games)
- Sam Reid - reserves player
- Easton Wood - reserves player
- Jarrad Boumann - reserves player
- Guy O'Keefe - reserves player
- Scott Welsh - senior player (19 games)
- James Mulligan - reserves player
- Henry White - reserves player
- John Shaw - reserves player
- Ben Hudson - senior player (19 games)
- Tim Callan - fringe player (10 games)

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 53

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[Rocket Science]

2006

2006 NATIONAL DRAFT:

11 - Andrejs Everitt
45 - Brennan Stack
61 - Josh Hill
66 - Malcolm Lynch
76 - Paul O'Shea

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

13 - Jack Riewoldt
17 - Shaun Hampson
18 - Leroy Jetta
21 - Gavin Urquhart
32 - Kurt Tippett
33 - Jarryd Morton
36 - Alwyn Davey
42 - Bachar Houli
46 - Colin Garland
47 - Kyle Reimers
53 - Lindsay Thomas
63 - Tyson Goldsack
64 - Nick Gill
82 - Aaron Edwards
86 - David Rodan

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2006 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

Did not participate

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

8 - Chris Bryan
9 - Cameron Cloke

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2006 ROOKIE DRAFT:

11 - Gavin Hughes
27 - Jarrod Harbrow
41 - Marty Pask
52 - Michael West

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

24 - Jake King
34 - Matt Campbell
40 - Martin Clarke
44 - Luke Brennan
45 - Chad Jones
50 - Tom Lonergan
64 - Beau Wilkes

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Jason Akermanis - obtained for pick #34 (Chris Schmidt)
- Andrew MacDougall - obtained for pick #29 (Eric MacKenzie) and pick #59 (Jarryd Allen)
- Pick #59 - obtained for Shane Birss

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STATUS OF 2006 ACQUISITIONS:

- Andrejs Everitt - fringe player (16 games)
- Brennan Stack - reserves player
- Josh Hill - fringe player (14 games)
- Malcolm Lynch - reserves player (2 games)
- Paul O'Shea - reserves player
- Gavin Hughes - delisted*
- Jarrod Harbrow - fringe player (20 games)
- Marty Pask - delisted
- Michael West - delisted
- Jason Akermanis - senior player (39 games)
- Andrew MacDougall - retired (5 games)

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 86

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[Rocket Science]

2005

2005 NATIONAL DRAFT:

11 - Shaun Higgins
27 - Dylan Addison
46 - Travis Baird
55 - Brett Montgomery
57 - Michael West

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

12 - Nathan Jones
13 - Shannon Hurn
14 - Grant Birchall
15 - Travis Varcoe
16 - Richard Douglas
19 - Courtenay Dempsey
24 - Cleve Hughes
26 - Garrick Ibbotson
29 - Ben McKinley
32 - Bernie Vince
34 - Matthew Spangher
37 - John Anthony
41 - Rhan Hooper
42 - Robert Warnock
44 - Alipate Carlile
47 - Ryan Gamble
50 - Sam Lonergan
56 - Joel Patfull
60 - Clint Bartram
61 - Matthew Stokes

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2005 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

Did not participate

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

5 - Matthew White
8 - Matt Thomas
9 - Jason Porplyzia

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2005 ROOKIE DRAFT:

8 - Tom Davidson
24 - pass
38 - pass
50 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

10 - Ed Lower
31 - Matthew Priddis
34 - Stephen Gilham
49 - Cheynee Stiller
52 - Tom Logan
55 - Ben McGlynn
57 - Kieren Jack
58 - Ed Barlow

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Pick #46 (Travis Baird) - obtained for Jade Rawlings
- Pick #57 (Michael West) - obtained for Patrick Bowden

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STATUS OF 2005 ACQUISITIONS:

- Shaun Higgins - senior player (27 games)
- Dylan Addison - fringe player (30 games)
- Travis Baird - delisted (3 games)
- Brett Montgomery - retired (18 games - second stint)
- Michael West - delisted
- Tom Davidson - delisted

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 78

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[Rocket Science]

2004

2004 NATIONAL DRAFT:

3 - Ryan Griffen
6 - Tom Williams
22 - Jesse Wells
38 - Damien McCormack
54 - Stephen Tiller

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

4 - Richard Tambling
5 - Lance Franklin
7 - Jordan Lewis
9 - Jordan Russell
11 - Adam Thomson
13 - Matthew Bate
14 - Angus Monfries
15 - Lynden Dunn
16 - Adam Pattison
21 - Thomas Murphy
23 - Sean Rusling
24 - Nathan van Berlow
25 - Adam Hartlett
29 - Matt Rosa
31 - Jarred Moore
32 - Brent Prismall
35 - Fabian Deluca
40 - Ivan Maric
44 - Mitch Morton
45 - Justin Sherman
46 - Henry Slattery
53 - Simon Taylor
62 - Matthew Egan
74 - Daniel Pratt

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2004 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

Did not participate

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

3 - Eddie Betts

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2004 ROOKIE DRAFT:

3 - Rowan Nayna
19 - Dale Morris
35 - pass
49 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

4 - Benjamin Davies
7 - Josh Gibson
16 - Danyle Pearce
18 - Clinton Young
20 - Harry O'Brien
21 - Jonathan Griffin
25 - Beau Wilkes
26 - Matthew Warnock
38 - Scott McMahon
39 - Ryan Crowley
42 - Heath Grundy
52 - Aaron Edwards
60 - Josh Drummond

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

Did not participate

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STATUS OF 2004 ACQUISITIONS:

- Ryan Griffen - senior player (70 games)
- Tom Williams - senior player (19 games)
- Jesse Wells - delisted
- Damien McCormack - delisted (4 games)
- Stephen Tiller - fringe player (14 games)
- Rowan Nayna - delisted
- Dale Morris - senior player (82 games)

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 189

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[Rocket Science]

2003

2003 NATIONAL DRAFT:

1 - Adam Cooney
4 - Farren Ray
50 - Izaac Thomson
62 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

5 - Brock McLean
7 - Kane Tenace
13 - Brent Stanton
19 - David Mundy
30 - Brad Symes
33 - Jed Adcock
44 - Ricky Dyson
45 - Amon Buchanan
46 - Michael Pettigrew
55 - Sam Fisher
58 - Ben Hudson
61 - Michael Rischitelli
73 - Shane Tuck
76 - Andrew Raines

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2003 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

1 - Jade Rawlings

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

2 - Nick Stevens
8 - Michael Johnson
10 - Jacob Surjan

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2003 ROOKIE DRAFT:

1 - James Condos
17 - pass
33 - pass
48 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

2 - Andrew Carrazzo
3 - Aaron Davey
4 - Nathan Foley
9 - Brett Jones
10 - Paul Duffield
16 - Daniel Pratt
27 - Nathan Lovett-Murray
34 - Adam Bentick
40 - Jaymie Graham
42 - Andrew Lovett
47 - Josh Drummond

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Pick #6 (Kepler Bradley) and pick #20 (Sam Butler) - obtained for Nathan Brown
- Peter Street - obtained for pick #20 (Sam Butler)
- Lochlan Veale - obtained for Mark Alvey and pick #6 (Kepler Bradley)
- Steven Koops - obtained for pick #19 (David Mundy)
- Adam Morgan - obtained for pick #34 (Luke Peel)

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STATUS OF 2003 ACQUISITIONS:

- Adam Cooney - senior player (107 games)
- Farren Ray - senior player (74 games)
- Izaac Thomson - delisted
- James Condos - delisted
- Jade Rawlings - traded (29 games)
- Peter Street - fringe player (61 games)
- Lochlan Veale - delisted
- Steven Koops - retired (11 games)
- Adam Morgan - delisted (14 games)

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 296

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[Rocket Science]

2002

2002 NATIONAL DRAFT:

4 - Tim Walsh
17 - Cameron Faulkner
20 - Will Minson
33 - Brad Murphy
35 - Scott Bassett
39 - Cameron Wight

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

5 - Jarrad McVeigh
6 - Steven Salopek
7 - Andrew Mackie
8 - Luke Brennan
9 - Hamish MacIntosh
10 - Jason Laycock
11 - Jason Winderlich
12 - Jay Schulz
13 - Byron Schammer
14 - Daniel Bell
16 - Stephen Gilham
19 - Troy Selwood
23 - Tom Lonergan
24 - Paul Johnson
26 - Jared Rivers
30 - Daniel Merrett
37 - Brent Staker
43 - Cameron Cloke
44 - Anthony Corrie
45 - Kade Simpson
46 - Leigh Fisher
51 - Tim Boyle
53 - Adam Selwood
55 - Ryan Crowley
56 - Robert Shirley
64 - Nick Malceski
65 - Lochlan Veale!
72 - Brad Fisher

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2002 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

Did not participate

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

3 - Craig Bolton

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2002 ROOKIE DRAFT:

Did not participate

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

3 - Kelvin Moore
7 - Brad Sewell
9 - Aaron Edwards
10 - Michael Firrito
14 - Joel Patful
15 - Nick Maxwell
16 - Daniel Pratt
23 - Michael Osborne
25 - Mark Nicoski
29 - Jason Porplyzia
31 - Jason Roe
40 - Shannon Byrnes
51 - Steven Dodd
55 - Nick Gill
64 - Paul Bevan
70 - Joel MacDonald

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Pick #17 (Cameron Faulkner) - obtained for Luke Penny
- Pick #35 (Scott Bassett) - obtained for Kingsley Hunter

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STATUS OF 2002 ACQUISITIONS:

- Tim Walsh - delisted (1 game)
- Cameron Faulkner - delisted (18 games)
- Will Minson - senior player (61 games)
- Brad Murphy - delisted (7 games)
- Scott Bassett - delisted (15 games)
- Cameron Wight - fringe player (36 games)

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 138

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[Rocket Science]

2001

2001 NATIONAL DRAFT:

10 - Sam Power
42 - Kieren McGuinness
57 - Brent Colbert
71 - Brian Harris/Lake
83 - Aaron James

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

12 - Brent Reilly
13 - Nick Dal Santo
16 - Rick Ladson
17 - James Kelly
19 - Jason Gram
21 - Matt McGuire
22 - Mark Seaby
23 - Charlie Gardiner
24 - Steve Johnson
29 - Louis Roberts-Thomson
32 - Campbell Brown
33 - David Rodan
36 - Sam Mitchell
37 - Leigh Montagna
38 - Ash Hansen
41 - Henry Playfair
47 - Andrew Welsh
55 - Brad Miller
56 - Paul Medhurst
58 - Dane Swan
60 - Adam Schneider
62 - Damon White
68 - Chris Hyde

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2001 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

3 - Nathan Saunders

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

5 - Trent Hentschel

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2001 ROOKIE DRAFT:

7 - Nick Greenwood
23 - Matthew Boyd
38 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

11 - Brett Thornton
19 - Quinten Lynch
25 - Nathan Bock
30 - Brad Miller
33 - Aaron Sandilands
40 - Ben Rutten
51 - Martin Mattner

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Daniel Bandy - obtained for Craig Ellis
- Pick #49 - obtained for Paul Hudson
- Shannon Rusca - obtained for pick #49 (Josh Houlihan)
- Marcus Picken - obtained for pick #49 (Josh Houlihan)

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STATUS OF 2001 ACQUISITIONS:

- Sam Power - traded (84 games)
- Kieren McGuinness - delisted (26 games)
- Brent Colbert - delisted
- Brian Harris/Lake - senior player (117 games)
- Aaron James - delisted (1 game)
- Nathan Saunders - delisted (10 games)
- Nick Greenwood - delisted
- Matthew Boyd - senior player (110 games)
- Daniel Bandy - delisted (45 games)
- Shannon Rusca - delisted
- Marcus Picken - delisted

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 393

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[Rocket Science]

2000

2000 NATIONAL DRAFT:

10 - Jordan McMahon
26 - Shane Birss
56 - Daniel Cross
70 - Wayde Skipper
78 - pass
83 - pass

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

12 - Shaun Burgoyne
13 - Ash McGrath
14 - Daniel Harris
15 - Simon Wiggins
16 - Scott Thompson
18 - Daniel Kerr
20 - Kane Cornes
23 - Drew Petrie
24 - Luke Ablett
27 - Ted Richards
29 - Jamie Charman
34 - Ryan Lonie
39 - Adam McPhee
40 - Chris Hyde
42 - Daniel Pratt
43 - Mark Williams
44 - Josh Hunt
50 - Dominic Cassisi
52 - Amon Buchanan
55 - Chris Newman
58 - Nathan Lonie
60 - Corey Jones
66 - Scott Thornton
67 - Graham Johncock

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2000 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

7 - Nick Burton

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

10 - Nick Gill

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2000 ROOKIE DRAFT:

9 - Bernie Collins
25 - Damien Skurrie
40 - David Sheahan
53 - Leigh Harrison
61 - Brad Fuller

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

11 - Michael Osborne
13 - Leigh Harding
21 - Roger Hayden
27 - Robert Campbell
31 - Darren Jolly
32 - Damien Peverill
33 - Nathan Lovett-Murray
41 - Max Rooke
66 - Robert Copeland

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Ben Harrison - obtained for pick #41 (Andrew Krakouer)

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STATUS OF 2000 ACQUISITIONS:

- Jordan McMahon - traded (114 games)
- Shane Birss - traded (51 games)
- Daniel Cross - senior player (105 games)
- Wayde Skipper - fringe player (44 games)
- Ben Harrison - retired (85 games)
- Nick Burton - delisted
- Bernie Collins - delisted
- Damien Skurrie - delisted
- David Sheahan - delisted
- Leigh Harrison - delisted
- Brad Fuller - delisted

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 403

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[Rocket Science]

1999

1999 NATIONAL DRAFT:

13 - Robert Murphy
32 - Daniel Giansiracusa
35 - Patrick Wiggins
37 - Mitch Hahn
43 - Lindsay Gilbee
58 - Patrick Bowden
66 - Ryan Hargrave

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

19 - Brad Green
20 - Paul Wheatley
21 - Scott Stevens
24 - Jason Blake
28 - Brent Guerra
29 - Adam Hunter
31 - Paul Chapman
34 - Leon Davis
36 - Rhett Biglands
38 - Cameron Ling
40 - David Hille
47 - Corey Enright
48 - Chance Bateman
50 - Matthew Whelan
56 - Ryan O'Keefe
62 - Ben Johnson
64 - Cameron Bruce
67 - Robert Shirley

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1999 PRE-SEASON DRAFT:

9 - Andrew Wills

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

14 - Simon Godfrey

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1999 ROOKIE DRAFT:

11 - Matthew Lucas
27 - Brad Fuller
43 - Justin Wood
56 - Luke Donaldson

OTHER NOTABLE DRAFTEES:

26 - Dean Brogan
28 - Dean Cox
30 - David Johnson

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ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Trent Bartlett and pick #32 (Daniel Giansiracusa) - obtained for Michael Martin
- Nathan Eagleton - obtained for Brett Montgomery and pick #28 (Brent Guerra)
- Pick #35 (Patrick Wiggins) - obtained for Stephen Powell
- Pick #37 (Mitch Hahn) and pick #66 (Ryan Hargrave) - obtained for Leon Cameron

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STATUS OF 1999 ACQUISITIONS:

- Robert Murphy - senior player (146 games)
- Daniel Giansiracusa - senior player (145 games)
- Patrick Wiggins - delisted (12 games)
- Mitch Hahn - senior player (132 games)
- Lindsay Gilbee - senior player (136 games)
- Patrick Bowden - traded (50 games)
- Ryan Hargrave - senior player (136 games)
- Trent Bartlett - delisted (42 games)
- Nathan Eagleton - senior player (175 games)
- Andrew Wills - delisted (10 games)
- Matthew Lucas - delisted
- Brad Fuller - delisted
- Justin Wood - delisted
- Luke Donaldson - delisted

TOTAL AFL GAMES ACCRUED: 984

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[hujsh]

Jeez 02 was nothing special

[LostDoggy]

Great work RS. The senior player hit rate doesn't seem that great after 1999. What does everyone else think?

I think this has been done to death.

[LostDoggy]

great work there, good reading.


Jeez 02 was nothing special

Lol im happy with Big Will, obviously your not ;)

[1eyedog]

great work there, good reading.



Lol im happy with Big Will, obviously your not ;)

Me too, but there really wasn't a lot on offer in 02 at all.

[LostDoggy]

Few 2nd ruck options..

Cameron Cloke, Jason Laycock & Hamish Macintosh..

Glad we have Will out of that lot

[1eyedog]

Few 2nd ruck options..

Cameron Cloke, Jason Laycock & Hamish Macintosh..

Glad we have Will out of that lot

Unfortunate for him this season, but he's a far better ruck prospect than Will IMO.

[hujsh]

great work there, good reading.



Lol im happy with Big Will, obviously your not ;)

Will is the one exception of that year.

[FrediKanoute]

I think what it shows is a couple of things. The guys drafted in 1999 were exceptional players, but they were coming into a fiarly handy and competitive team which meant that their deveopment was fast tracked somewhat.

Guys drafted through the bleak years 2000 to 2002 came to the club largely in what were the "bleak years". The drafting/trading also coincided with the teams attempts not to bottom out.

Guys drafted in 2003/2004 and 2005 were high draft picks which the club used wisely and to a large extent are on track.

I think Clayton has been good and his track record of unearthing a smokey late in the draft is unparralelled, but I also think that him moving on is less of a concern at the moment than it would have been say 2-3 years ago.

[macca]

Apart from getting Cooney(2003) which we was a no brainer, and 2003 Will and Wight( good back), 2002 and 2003 where absolute shockers.

The Jade rawlings deal killed us, and you can see it stopped us having a full list of rookies for 2003 and 2004. Imagine picking up Stevens then.... ? I guess benefit of hindsight.

What were they thinking getting koops, morgan, veale and street ?

I was surprised to see Ray has now played 74 games. Now is the time for him to really prove his potential.

[strebla]

Veale was a sweetener to pick up Rawlings the rest is anyones guess but I was a fan of Koops aswell footy with us even if he never played his best

[Rocket Science]

Veale was really of no interest at the time...he was simply a patsy in the Rawlings debacle to get the deal over the line.

I'll say one thing...Very recent history aside (Hudson/Welsh/Akermanis), our recruiting of mature age players during Clayton's tenure has been nothing short of appalling, particularly key position types, and goes some way towards explaining why it's been a perennial achilles heel of ours.

[FrediKanoute]

Veale was really of no interest at the time...he was simply a patsy in the Rawlings debacle to get the deal over the line.

I'll say one thing...Very recent history aside (Hudson/Welsh/Akermanis), our recruiting of mature age players during Clayton's tenure has been nothing short of appalling, particularly key position types, and goes some way towards explaining why it's been a perennial achilles heel of ours.

But......has has been well docuemented, historically the recruitment of mature players was largely outside of Clayton's remit. Rhode insisted on guys like Rawlings, Koops, Morgan, Basset etc Wallce got Bandy to the club.

TBH we chased chickens and ended up with egg on our faces

[Sedat]

ACQUIRED VIA TRADE:

- Jason Akermanis - obtained for pick #34 (Chris Schmidt)
- Andrew MacDougall - obtained for pick #29 (Eric MacKenzie) and pick #59 (Jarryd Allen)
- Pick #59 - obtained for Shane Birss

Great analysis but this one always gets misinterpreted. We did give West Coast picks 29 and 59, but they gave us McDougall, pick 34 and pick 66 in return - we on-traded pick 34 to Brisbane for Aker. So essentially Aker and McDougall cost us our original pick 29 and a slight 4th round downgrade from pick 59 to pick 66 (which we used on Malcolm Lynch).

[LostDoggy]

Kicking myself looking at 2004 a bit..

Im a happy supporter with Williams & Griffin, too very young talents..

But looking past a Buddy Franklin in hindsight is a shocker...

[Rocket Science]

But......has has been well docuemented, historically the recruitment of mature players was largely outside of Clayton's remit. Rhode insisted on guys like Rawlings, Koops, Morgan, Basset etc Wallce got Bandy to the club.

TBH we chased chickens and ended up with egg on our faces

Indeed, Clayton can't and shouldn't take the fall for everything listed, but likewise Rhode can't be blamed for recruiting retreads such as MacDougall, Baird, Pask, and Davidson.

[Mofra]

Indeed, Clayton can't and shouldn't take the fall for everything listed, but likewise Rhode can't be blamed for recruiting retreads such as MacDougall, Baird, Pask, and Davidson.
Cartainly not - McD cost us nothing so was worth the punt.
Baird seemed to be doing ok for while until his "personal issues"
Pask & Davison were rookies so didn't even use up a senior spot.
These 4 guys aren't the major misses we've had during Clayton's time.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Kicking myself looking at 2004 a bit..

Im a happy supporter with Williams & Griffin, too very young talents..

But looking past a Buddy Franklin in hindsight is a shocker...

I dont have any problems with how we selected that year - if Williams had been able to stay fit we'd be looking great from that draft

But trading all those picks the year before for Rawlings, Street, Koops and Morgan is a hobby horse of mine

[Rocket Science]

Cartainly not - McD cost us nothing so was worth the punt.
Baird seemed to be doing ok for while until his "personal issues"
Pask & Davison were rookies so didn't even use up a senior spot.
These 4 guys aren't the major misses we've had during Clayton's time.

Largely agreed on all counts, and you're obviously going to have your share of misses along with the hits but that quartet still represent missed opportunity and questionable judgement. FWIW, I blame our mate Aker for Pask anyhoo.

Imagine instead of Davidson, Pask, Baird we were discussing Gamble, Stokes or Tom Lonergan...ahh well.

[soupman]

Largely agreed on all counts, and you're obviously going to have your share of misses along with the hits but that quartet still represent missed opportunity and questionable judgement. FWIW, I blame our mate Aker for Pask anyhoo.

Imagine instead of Davidson, Pask, Baird we were discussing Gamble, Stokes or Tom Lonergan...ahh well.

Um, you do realise Gamble and Stokes aren't key position players.

[Rocket Science]

Is that so?...Had them earmarked as our respective CHF and CHB of the future.

Was rather more interested in the fact they were taken later in the same drafts than the fruitless quartet we claimed, than the positions they play.