PSD (and now ND) players - Club listings and potential signings

[bulldogtragic]

Thought I would start a thread where we can post club-by-club delistings. Then argue the merits of whether any players could be a Montgomery, Welsh or Dew type.

Carlton:

Cain Ackland
Clinton Benjamin
Luke Blackwell
Ryan Jackson
Aisake O'hAilpin
Jason Saddington (r)


Adelaide:

Kris Massie
Luke Jericho
Bryce Campbell
Nathan Bassett (r)
Rhett Biglangs (r)
Ken McGregor (r)

Brisbane:

Beau McDonald (r)
Nigel Lappin (r)
Wayde Mills
Chris Schmidt
Haydn Kiel
Robert Copeland


Collingwood:

Ryan Lonie (r)
Shane Wakelin (r)
Scott Burns (r)
Sam Iles
Chris Egan
Brodie Holland
Luke Casey-Leigh


Geelong:

N. Ablett (r)
Jason Davenport
(rook) Bedford
(rook) Kangars



Not too sure we anything to look so far.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I'm not suggesting we look at him but I thought Kris Massie was a little hardly done by and has been a pretty solid contributor for Adelaide without ever being spectacular

[LostDoggy]

Luke Jericho will be looked at by several teams..

Also Brisbane have delisted Matthew Moody

[bulldogtragic]

Brisbane:

Beau McDonald (r)
Nigel Lappin (r)
Wayde Mills
Chris Schmidt
Haydn Kiel
Robert Copeland


Collingwood:

Ryan Lonie (r)
Shane Wakelin (r)
Scott Burns (r)
Sam Iles
Chris Egan
Brodie Holland
Luke Casey-Leigh


These updates.

I liked Wayde Mills when he was drafted, hasn't come on at Brisbane obviosuly. Chris Egan???

[Powerplay]

I would definitely look at Kris Massie. I reckon he could play a good defensive role and free up Hargrave to go up to the wing. It would also mean we can flirt with the idea of pushing Lake up the ground. He has a good rebounding game and could fill a void if Williams gets injured again.

Aside from that there is not much else out there.

[Topdog]

How would Massie enable us to move Lake forward?

2 very different styles.

[G-Mo77]

There is not much there I would be jumping to draft if we free up pick 64 then I don't have a problem in taking a look at a few of them if they can help. Maybe we should try and talk Nathan Ablett around, I'd take him in a heart beat. :D

[BulldogBelle]

Maybe we should try and talk Nathan Ablett around, I'd take him in a heart beat. :D

If the club where his father and brother played at couldn't get him to go back doubt Nablett could be enticed to go anywhere else. Some 32 games he played, a premiership medallion to look back on.......and then you look at the other end of the spectrum Chris Grant he played for so long chasing an elusive Premiership medal that Nathan Ablett got in his first couple of years playing footy. As written on Ben Cousin's midriff .."Such is life".

[bulldogtragic]

Geelong have dut: Nathan Ablett, Midfielder Jason Davenport and the rookie listed Liam Bedford and Chris Kangars.

Davenport is the Tim Callan of the year. 23yo, 185cm and 82kg. Won the Geelong VFL MVP as a midfielder. Geelong AFL midfield is hard to crack, would be interesting if anyone has seen him play or know much about him?

[LostDoggy]

Davenport is the Tim Callan of the year. 23yo, 185cm and 82kg. Won the Geelong VFL MVP as a midfielder. Geelong AFL midfield is hard to crack, would be interesting if anyone has seen him play or know much about him?
Except that Geelong didn't win AFL or VFL premiership this season. Huge difference I believe. He would have been offered up for trade like Callan was, no takers this time.

[bulldogtragic]

Hawthorn:

Tim Clarke
(Ruckman) Luke McEntee
Garry Moss
(Tall defender) Zac Dawson
Danny Jacobs (retired)


Funny the synergy - Street and Jacobs delisted. The Veale Deal.

Tim Clarke - I'm sure teams will have interest in him.

[Throughandthrough]

Greg Bentley, Adam Cockshell, Fabian Deluca, Nathan Lonie, Damon White and Ryan Williams will not be offered new contracts with the Power, while Daniel Boyle, Gavin Grose and Ryan Willits won’t be retained on the club’s rookie list.



Promising, dud, dud, big dud, dud, promising, no good, no good and dud.

[bornadog]

Port Adelaide

Damon White,
Nathan Lonie,
Fabian Deluca,
Greg Bentley,
Ryan Williams
Adam Cockshel

Funny we were looking at Damon last year.

Along with retirements and trades, Port now have nine picks in the draft, (4, 22, 38, 42, 54, 70, 86, 102 and 118). Talk about turning the list over, Mark Williams is good at creating from nothing.

[bornadog]

Richmond

CHRIS Hyde,
Danny Meyer
Travis Casserly

have joined Greg Tivendale as season casualties at Tigerland, after Richmond announced on Thursday that the trio had been delisted.

[G-Mo77]

So do you think we'll have any interest at all in White? We nibbled at him last year during trade week.

[bulldogtragic]

So do you think we'll have any interest at all in White? We nibbled at him last year during trade week.
From memory he didn't pass the medical.

Interesting argument if you think he offers more o the list the Wight.

White v Wight.

[Go_Dogs]

Greg Bentley, Adam Cockshell, Fabian Deluca, Nathan Lonie, Damon White and Ryan Williams will not be offered new contracts with the Power, while Daniel Boyle, Gavin Grose and Ryan Willits won’t be retained on the club’s rookie list.



Promising, dud, dud, big dud, dud, promising, no good, no good and dud.

I think these guys could be worth looking at, but with the number of young runners we have coming through they probably aren't the types we need more of.

Going to be a few guys feeling pretty unlucky this weekend.

[LostDoggy]

So do you think we'll have any interest at all in White? We nibbled at him last year during trade week.

Just signed a four year contract with North Adelaide

[GVGjr]

Just signed a four year contract with North Adelaide

Thats good for him but he wasn't a player we needed.

[bornadog]

Updated list from AFL.com.au

Delistings*
Cain Ackland (Carl)
Steven Armstrong (WCE)
Jayden Attard (StK)**
Liam Bedford (Geel)**
Clinton Benjamin (Carl)
Greg Bentley (Port)
Shane Birss (StK)
Luke Blackwell (Carl)
Jace Bode (Melb)
Daniel Boyle (Port)**
Bryce Campbell (Adel)
Travis Casserly (Rich)
Danny Chartres (Ess)**
Glenn Chivers (StK)**
Tim Clarke (Haw)
Adam Cockshell (Port)
Robert Copeland (Bris)
Jason Davenport (Geel)
Ben Davies (NM)
Zac Dawson (Haw)
Fabian Deluca (Port)
Dean Dick (Ess)**
Ryley Dunn (Fre)**
Chris Egan (Coll)
Matthew Ferguson (StK)
Charlie Gardiner (StK)
Blake Grima (NM)
Gavin Grose (Port)**
Brodie Holland (Coll)
Chris Hyde (Rich)
Sam Iles (Coll)
Ryan Jackson (Carl)
Luke Jericho (Adel)
Courtney Johns (Ess)
Chad Jones (WCE)
Chris Kangars (Geel)**
Haydn Kiel (Bris)**
Andrew Lee (Ess)
Nathan Lonie (Port)
Kris Massie (Adel)
Luke McEntee (Haw)
Danny Meyer (Rich)
Wayde Mills (Bris)
Matthew Moody (Bris)
Calib Mourish (Fre)**
Garry Moss (Haw)
Aisake O'hAilpin (Carl)
Damien Peverill (Ess)
Michael Rix (StK)
Eddie Sansbury (NM)
Chris Schmidt (Bris)
Chris Smith (Fre)**
Peter Street (WB)
James Thomson (WCE)
Greg Tivendale (Rich)
Luke van Rheenan (StK)**
Luke Webster (Fre)
Isaac Weetra (Melb)
Damon White (Port)
Jeff White (Melb)
James Wilsen (NM)**
Ryan Williams (Port)
Ryan Willits (Port)**
Adem Yze (Melb)

*Delistings are not final until formally lodged with the AFL
**Rookie listed

[LostDoggy]

Are we gunna axe a few more? Or just Street..

Seems day by day clubs axe 5-8 players, we are yet to do so..

[Mantis]

Are we gunna axe a few more? Or just Street..

Seems day by day clubs axe 5-8 players, we are yet to do so..

The word out of the club is that we will only be using 3 picks in the ND (14, 31 & 32) so it seems that there will be no further delistings/ retirements.

Delisted: Street, McDougall
Traded: Ray
Retired: West

[bulldogtragic]

Charlie Gardner is an interesting one. Also Jayden Attard was an absolute freak as a junior. Obviously hasn't kicked on with injuries.

[LostDoggy]

Yeah, you couldn't really fully blame a player for not finding form at St.Kilda. Never sure which St.Kilda was going to turn up. We could do worse than give (C.) Gardiner a crack.

[FrediKanoute]

Yeah, you couldn't really fully blame a player for not finding form at St.Kilda. Never sure which St.Kilda was going to turn up. We could do worse than give (C.) Gardiner a crack.

No not a chance!!! The guy is a hack

[LostDoggy]

Someone will pick up Attard. He had a solid 2007. Id hope we would have a look at him. Could play a half back role.

[Mantis]

Someone will pick up Attard. He had a solid 2007. Id hope we would have a look at him. Could play a half back role.

Ahead of Callan, Addison, Gilbee, Hargrave, etc... and possibly Stack, Ward....

No thanks.

[BulldogBelle]

Ahead of Callan, Addison, Gilbee, Hargrave, etc... and possibly Stack, Ward....

No thanks.



The only PDS players we should be looking at are as followsl

1) A key position player- FB/FF or CHF. A big body who could provide a strong contest...possibly a large defender (192cms 95kgs +) who could allow Lake to move forwards. Realistically we are not going to get a creative/highly skilled FB...but that job is done by Gilbee + Hargrave and possibly Tiller

2) Development ruckman- in the event that Hudson/Minson are injured long term, Skip doesnt cut it, and Ayce is considered to raw to play int he seniors. Simply someone who will provide a contest

We have loads of depth in the midfield, small backs and small forwards...with guys like Reid, O'Keefe and Ward waiting at the fringes...

NO HACKS PLEASE

[Sockeye Salmon]

NO HACKS PLEASE

What else are you going to get out of the PSD?

I don't mind the idea of getting a 21yo ruckman just in case, but in all likelihood we will already have John Shaw.

[Mantis]

I don't mind the idea of getting a 21yo ruckman just in case, but in all likelihood we will already have John Shaw.

If shit hit's the fan either Mulligan or Shaw (if retained) have to come in. We have had to watch Peter Street ply his trade (if that is what you call it) over the past 5 years, surely they could do no worse than him.

[GVGjr]

If shit hit's the fan either Mulligan or Shaw (if retained) have to come in. We have had to watch Peter Street ply his trade (if that is what you call it) over the past 5 years, surely they could do no worse than him.

Both are a fair way off the mark on the form they have displayed. I think the fact that Mulligan coudn't force his way into the Williamstown senior side every when Street was out speaks volumes on how ready he is. He has plently of potential but a long way to go.

[Desipura]

Have to disagree, Street was a very good VFL ruckman often getting 20+ possies and over 30 hitouts. Unfortunately he was not good enough to do the same in the AFL. Its hard to replace a ruckman who gets those stats not to mention how many games he dominated due to his height.

[hujsh]

Have to disagree, Street was a very good VFL ruckman often getting 20+ possies and over 30 hitouts. Unfortunately he was not good enough to do the same in the AFL. Its hard to replace a ruckman who gets those stats not to mention how many games he dominated due to his height.

We aren't recruiting for Williamstown. If he can't play at AFL level his VFL form means nothing to us.

[Desipura]

We aren't recruiting for Williamstown. If he can't play at AFL level his VFL form means nothing to us.
You have missed my point. My point being Street played the majority of the season at VFL level and was a very good player at that level, therefore Mulligan/Shaw should not be judged too harshly just because they could not replace a player (Street) who has been in the system some 9 years.

[bulldogtragic]

You have missed my point. My point being Street played the majority of the season at VFL level and was a very good player at that level, therefore Mulligan/Shaw should not be judged too harshly just because they could not replace a player (Street) who has been in the system some 9 years.
A very good point. Hadn't looked at it like that.

[hujsh]

You have missed my point. My point being Street played the majority of the season at VFL level and was a very good player at that level, therefore Mulligan/Shaw should not be judged too harshly just because they could not replace a player (Street) who has been in the system some 9 years.

I didn't read it like that. It was that they didn't play VFL level when Street was out that was the main point i though.

But your point is correct.

[GVGjr]

You have missed my point. My point being Street played the majority of the season at VFL level and was a very good player at that level, therefore Mulligan/Shaw should not be judged too harshly just because they could not replace a player (Street) who has been in the system some 9 years.


Not only could they not replace him, they also couldn't cover for him when he was out nor could they support him even once when he was the lone ruckman. Jason Cloke would provide Street with a few minutes break here and there. Mulligan only missed a few games for the season but still couldn't crack it for a senior game.

[Mantis]

Would there be any interest from us in Tom Hislop?

Hard at it midfielder who can win his own ball who has been delisted from Essendon due to discipline/ attitude problems. He was a top 20 in the 2006 "super" draft.

Do we need his type considering we have quite a few 'likes' on the list?

[bulldogtragic]

Would there be any interest from us in Tom Hislop?

Hard at it midfielder who can win his own ball who has been delisted from Essendon due to discipline/ attitude problems. He was a top 20 in the 2006 "super" draft.

Do we need his type considering we have quite a few 'likes' on the list?
I'd have a very close look at him. Will all depend how he has taken his axing i think, maybe he screws his head on right, maybe he doesn't care. Worth a chat with him i think.

[Mofra]

On a side note, Nathan Carroll will be training with the Saints. Glad we didn't look at picking him up.

[soupman]

I'd have a very close look at him. Will all depend how he has taken his axing i think, maybe he screws his head on right, maybe he doesn't care. Worth a chat with him i think.

I would be happy to see him rookie listed (I think every club has to have 6 rookies this year), but wouldn't wanna see him drafted ahead of many else at pick 31 or 32.

[BulldogBelle]

On a side note, Nathan Carroll will be training with the Saints. Glad we didn't look at picking him up.



Seems the Saints will have a few blokes who have mis behaved in the past ie Cousins, M Gardiner + possibly Carroll

Carroll wouldnt be a bad pick up in the PSD as he could have allowed us to experiment with playing Lake in the forward line...only question is his behaviour + attitude and his influence on some of the younger players...

[The Coon Dog]

This preoccupation with Lake as a fwd has me beat, honestly it really has.

[bornadog]

This preoccupation with Lake as a fwd has me beat, honestly it really has.

There is no way we should move Lake from FullBack, totally agree with you TCD.

[Mantis]

Carroll wouldnt be a bad pick up in the PSD as he could have allowed us to experiment with playing Lake in the forward line...only question is his behaviour + attitude and his influence on some of the younger players...

And his ability as a player isn't in question... You must be easily pleased.

[Mofra]

Carroll wouldnt be a bad pick up in the PSD as he could have allowed us to experiment with playing Lake in the forward line...only question is his behaviour + attitude and his influence on some of the younger players...
Nooooo...

I wonder how Geelong's experiment with Scarlett in the forwardline has gone in the past two years?

Oh that's right they play him in his best position!

[Mantis]

Nooooo...

I wonder how Geelong's experiment with Scarlett in the forwardline has gone in the past two years?

Oh that's right they play him in his best position

But counter-acting that, there is no need for Geelong to experiment with this as they have Mooney, Lonergan & Hawkins to play as tall forwards.

We have...... that's right no-one.

[Scraggers]

This preoccupation with Lake as a fwd has me beat, honestly it really has.

I don't know ... you take one mark in the dying seconds of a game ... fane an injury ... and everyone thinks you are a forward !!

[Dogs 24/7]

This preoccupation with Lake as a fwd has me beat, honestly it really has.

Is it that hard to understand ?...Really ?
Most successful sides have a key forward target and we do not. We have players that might be able to cover the key defensive spots therefore, the Lake to full forward suggestion is something that could be discussed. We wont trade for a key forward so we must look within. We tried Minson who just isnt quite there so unless there is a player ready to make his mark, why not have a look at Lake. I can understand people not agreeing with it but surely this suggestion isnt as far fetched as some people obviously think.

[The Coon Dog]

Is it that hard to understand ?...Really ?
Most successful sides have a key forward target and we do not. We have players that might be able to cover the key defensive spots therefore, the Lake to full forward suggestion is something that could be discussed. We wont trade for a key forward so we must look within. We tried Minson who just isnt quite there so unless there is a player ready to make his mark, why not have a look at Lake. I can understand people not agreeing with it but surely this suggestion isnt as far fetched as some people obviously think.
I'm all for people discussing it & thinking about it, just as long as they don't actually do it. It'd be a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. The whole left down back would just be too great I think.

[bornadog]

Is it that hard to understand ?...Really ?
Most successful sides have a key forward target and we do not. We have players that might be able to cover the key defensive spots therefore, the Lake to full forward suggestion is something that could be discussed. We wont trade for a key forward so we must look within. We tried Minson who just isnt quite there so unless there is a player ready to make his mark, why not have a look at Lake. I can understand people not agreeing with it but surely this suggestion isnt as far fetched as some people obviously think.

and who goes to Full back, when we don't even have a CHB (yet)

[The Underdog]

and who goes to Full back, when we don't even have a CHB (yet)

Ideally Williams and Everitt take those two spots. Both are inexperienced and have a lot to learn plus they have issues with fitness/form. But assuming Williams can get on the park and Everitt gets some confidence back, I don't think it's unrealistic to ask both of them to spend time this year in key defensive positions. Everitt should have his weight up into the 90's and be better equipped to play on big forwards. Williams we know is capable despite his lack of games. We need them to step up or onto the park this year. Lake has shown the ability to take contested marks which makes him a potential candidate up forward. I'm not sayng it'll work necessarily but it can't hurt to try while giving the other guys some experience in key positions down back. Plus it gets Lake away from the opposition goals meaning I can breathe a little easier 9-10 times a game ;)

[strebla]

Leave Lake at FB With a little luck Grant will be ready next year

[GVGjr]

and who goes to Full back, when we don't even have a CHB (yet)

I think the crux of this idea is that we have far more key defensive options than we do with our forwards. I can see why people don't want to upset the applecart by moving our best defender away from the backline but I also see the temptation of moving Lake to the forward line.

McPharlin is regarded as Freo's best key defender but despite having a genuine key forward like Pavlich (and Tarrant), on occasions still move McPharlin forward and often to good effect.
Bock moves between the the forward and defensive positions as well so are we simply asking the question if Lake has the ability to pinch hit like Bock and McPharlin do?

If he is not that versatile then leave him where he is but I know that on occasions I would be very tempted to try him there.

By the way Bornadog, you might be right that we don't have a CHB yet but you would have to concede that with a fit Williams and hopefully Everitt getting over his 2nd year blues we should be able to cover Lake if he was ever injured or suspended for a few games. Big question marks I know but if they did fall into place it could then be an idea worth exploring.

If we are saying that we simply cannot win games without Lake playing in defence, or actually playing in a game, then that is far too much reliance on any one player.

[bulldogtragic]

I think the crux of this idea is that we have far more key defensive options than we do with our forwards. I can see why people don't want to upset the applecart by moving our best defender away from the backline but I also see the temptation of moving Lake to the forward line.

McPharlin is regarded as Freo's best key defender but despite having a genuine key forward like Pavlich (and Tarrant), on occasions still move McPharlin forward and often to good effect.
Bock moves between the the forward and defensive positions as well so are we simply asking the question if Lake has the ability to pinch hit like Bock and McPharlin do?

If he is not that versatile then leave him where he is but I know that on occasions I would be very tempted to try him there.

By the way Bornadog, you might be right that we don't have a CHB yet but you would have to concede that with a fit Williams and hopefully Everitt getting over his 2nd year blues we should be able to cover Lake if he was ever injured or suspended for a few games. Big question marks I know but if they did fall into place it could then be an idea worth exploring.

If we are saying that we simply cannot win games without Lake playing in defence, or actually playing in a game, then that is far too much reliance on any one player.
If I had that grasp of the english language and power of persuasion, that's exactly what I would've said. I could not agree any more with the entire post GVGjr.

[GVGjr]

I read that the Lions delisted Colm Begley which sort of surprised me. I think he was probably worth persevering with.

[mjp]

I read that the Lions delisted Colm Begley which sort of surprised me. I think he was probably worth persevering with.

Forget Begley - they delisted Matt Moody for goodness sake. What is going on up there?

[bulldogtragic]

Forget Begley - they delisted Matt Moody for goodness sake. What is going on up there?
Would you cut someone like Wight to open up a spot for Moody?

[Go_Dogs]

Are either of them eligible for a rookie list spot?

[LostDoggy]

Big difference between the 'class' of Luke Mcpharlin and Brian Lake. Lake is a good mark, but he doesnt have the skill,quality,composure or the football smarts Mcpharlin has.
Keep Lake at FB, although to be honest he is a liability down there sometimes.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Big difference between the 'class' of Luke Mcpharlin and Brian Lake. Lake is a good mark, but he doesnt have the skill,quality,composure or the football smarts Mcpharlin has.
Keep Lake at FB, although to be honest he is a liability down there sometimes.

You get very touchy when someone comments on Freo players, don't you?

[bornadog]

I think the crux of this idea is that we have far more key defensive options than we do with our forwards. I can see why people don't want to upset the applecart by moving our best defender away from the backline but I also see the temptation of moving Lake to the forward line.

McPharlin is regarded as Freo's best key defender but despite having a genuine key forward like Pavlich (and Tarrant), on occasions still move McPharlin forward and often to good effect.
Bock moves between the the forward and defensive positions as well so are we simply asking the question if Lake has the ability to pinch hit like Bock and McPharlin do?

If he is not that versatile then leave him where he is but I know that on occasions I would be very tempted to try him there.

By the way Bornadog, you might be right that we don't have a CHB yet but you would have to concede that with a fit Williams and hopefully Everitt getting over his 2nd year blues we should be able to cover Lake if he was ever injured or suspended for a few games. Big question marks I know but if they did fall into place it could then be an idea worth exploring.

If we are saying that we simply cannot win games without Lake playing in defence, or actually playing in a game, then that is far too much reliance on any one player.

I think the timing is all out. Everitt, only 19 years old, (20 in April), is far too inexperienced to hold down a key position and Williams has to remain fit. Williams is also very inexperienced. Give these two guys a couple of years, once they have some experience, then I will conceed taking Lake forward.

[Scorlibo]

I'd have a very close look at him. Will all depend how he has taken his axing i think, maybe he screws his head on right, maybe he doesn't care. Worth a chat with him i think.

Agreed, he can play, its just a matter of where his head's at.

[comrade]

Big difference between the 'class' of Luke Mcpharlin and Brian Lake. Lake is a good mark, but he doesnt have the skill,quality,composure or the football smarts Mcpharlin has.
Keep Lake at FB, although to be honest he is a liability down there sometimes.

Are you serious? You obviously didn't see his prelim game, or his last few years. Yeah, he can have brain fades but he is a super footballer and we'd be stuffed without him. I'd take Lake before McPharlin in a heartbeat.

[mjp]

Are you serious? You obviously didn't see his prelim game, or his last few years. Yeah, he can have brain fades but he is a super footballer and we'd be stuffed without him. I'd take Lake before McPharlin in a heartbeat.

McPharlin is a super player as well.

I think that Lake is a better full-back, but McPharlin a better all-round footballer. Lake is at his best when playing from the defensive goal-square - it doesn't seem to matter to McPharlin - FB, CHB, CHF, FF - he has success wherever he plays.

Very good player.

I am not sure what we are debating here though...if everyone would cast their mind back to the final vs Hawthorn, this board was alight with the fact that we didn't have any tall backs and that was the problem with our side. There were calls for our saviour - Cam Wight - to be promoted to quell the talls of Sydney. Move the hands of the clock forward a few weeks, and dont worry about that little issue as it is the tall forwards where we are in trouble.

Tell me this - if Lake plays forward, then who goes back. And dont anyone dare say Williams as there is one thing we have learnt about Tom so far - if he plays it is a bonus, it is certainly not something to be counted upon. So who is it? We play Freo round one - who plays on Pavlich, who on Tarrant and who on that superstar of Subiaco, Adam Campbell?

[Mantis]

Tell me this - if Lake plays forward, then who goes back. And dont anyone dare say Williams as there is one thing we have learnt about Tom so far - if he plays it is a bonus, it is certainly not something to be counted upon. So who is it? We play Freo round one - who plays on Pavlich, who on Tarrant and who on that superstar of Subiaco, Adam Campbell?

For this scenario (Lake forward) and with Tom not playing I would be using the following match-ups:

Morris - Pavlich
Everitt - Tarrant
Tiller - Campbell

I would think that on what we have have seen in the past I think our player's could hold there own in these contests.

[Mofra]

For this scenario (Lake forward) and with Tom not playing I would be using the following match-ups:

Morris - Pavlich
Everitt - Tarrant
Tiller - Campbell

I would think that on what we have have seen in the past I think our player's could hold there own in these contests.
That list looks like a makeshift defence - not a season long, cohesive unit.
You also have the problem of who takes the gorilla forwards - Lake is our only option
Lake is our FB, holds our defence together, and should stay.

[Mantis]

That list looks like a makeshift defence - not a season long, cohesive unit.
You also have the problem of who takes the gorilla forwards - Lake is our only option
Lake is our FB, holds our defence together, and should stay.

I'm not in dis-agreeance just making the point that without Tom and Brian in defence (which hopefully they both will be) it is not absolute panic stations.

[ledge]

I would like to say that looking at Lake as a forward is an option because there are no forwards around to be picked up, so looking at another angle , maybe put Lake forward and see if there is any good backman around.
Its just opening up another option, Lake can play forward and take marks in packs i have no doubt.
Backmen are easier to find than forwards i think at the moment, tall kids you can teach to punch easier than mark in packs and kick goals.

[bulldogtragic]

Leigh Brown was finally axed by the Roos:

Full List of ALL clubs here:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24581128-19742,00.html

[GVGjr]

Leigh Brown was finally axed by the Roos:

Full List of ALL clubs here:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24581128-19742,00.html

They have retained Mulligan, Shaw and White on the rookie list so given that 2 of them are ruckman does that now cross off a possible selection of Roughead if he was still available?

[Sockeye Salmon]

They have retained Mulligan, Shaw and White on the rookie list so given that 2 of them are ruckman does that now cross off a possible selection of Roughead if he was still available?

I wouldn't have thought so.

They don't consider Mulligan to be a ruckman, last I heard they wanted to turn him into a CHB. Shaw is only 197 and not very athletic so he's up against it I would have thought.

When Hudson retires in a few years, all we'll have will be Minson, Cordy (who might end up a forward anyway) and a maybe in Shaw.

I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to get one but if say a Roughead fell into our laps I'd grab him.

[The Doctor]

They have retained Mulligan, Shaw and White on the rookie list so given that 2 of them are ruckman does that now cross off a possible selection of Roughead if he was still available?

So that should mean

2 live picks in the national draft

2 picks in the rookie draft

That is not a lot of activity in a strong draft.

The interesting thing for me now is whether we go into the PSD which would obviously mean 1 more player gets delisted.

For arguments sake would anyone here delist O'Shea, knowing he could be redrafted with one of our first 2 picks in the rookie draft, and then pick up Leigh Brown in the PSD?

[Sockeye Salmon]

So that should mean

2 live picks in the national draft

2 picks in the rookie draft

That is not a lot of activity in a strong draft.

The interesting thing for me now is whether we go into the PSD which would obviously mean 1 more player gets delisted.

For arguments sake would anyone here delist O'Shea, knowing he could be redrafted with one of our first 2 picks in the rookie draft, and then pick up Leigh Brown in the PSD?

God, I hope not.

What about Chris Ogle being listed as a NSW scholarship rookie? Does he count towards our 5 rookies?

We might only have 1 pick in the rookie draft

[GVGjr]

I wouldn't have thought so.

They don't consider Mulligan to be a ruckman, last I heard they wanted to turn him into a CHB. Shaw is only 197 and not very athletic so he's up against it I would have thought.

When Hudson retires in a few years, all we'll have will be Minson, Cordy (who might end up a forward anyway) and a maybe in Shaw.

I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to get one but if say a Roughead fell into our laps I'd grab him.

I tend to agree and that we haven't really got that position covered at all but the interesting part is that if we drafted Roughead or a ruckman type where would all these guys play in the senior Williamstown side?

My assumption would be:
Mulligan as the CHB,
Shaw as the ruckman
Grant as the FF
Boumann as a tall FP
Skipper as the CHF
Cordy possibly moving between the 2nds and the senior sides depending on his development which doesn't leave a lot of room for another key ruckman unless he is used off the bench.

I think we are at least one year behind developing another genuine ruckman and with just 3 on our senior list for next season we wouldn't want an injury or suspension.

[GVGjr]

So that should mean

2 live picks in the national draft

2 picks in the rookie draft

That is not a lot of activity in a strong draft.

The interesting thing for me now is whether we go into the PSD which would obviously mean 1 more player gets delisted.

For arguments sake would anyone here delist O'Shea, knowing he could be redrafted with one of our first 2 picks in the rookie draft, and then pick up Leigh Brown in the PSD?

Agree with all that and I'm not against adding an experienced player if another spot could be opened up. Picks 31 and 32 must be used on youngsters but if something else happened and we could look at a more mature type then I would consider it. O'Shea to the rookie list has merit but the club doesn't appear to have that in their mind.

[Desipura]

So that should mean

2 live picks in the national draft

2 picks in the rookie draft

That is not a lot of activity in a strong draft.

The interesting thing for me now is whether we go into the PSD which would obviously mean 1 more player gets delisted.

For arguments sake would anyone here delist O'Shea, knowing he could be redrafted with one of our first 2 picks in the rookie draft, and then pick up Leigh Brown in the PSD?
Lets not be fooled in thinking we have enough depth in the key position department. Look what happened when Williams got injured last season.
Whilst Brown is not the long term answer, he could fill a void at chb with occasional stints at chf. He can take a mark and he is still only 26yo.
Could he offer us more than a Wight as a kpp by round 1 next season? I think he could. Is he a better chance of at least breaking even against a tall/strong opponent over a Wight? Yes.

This would then free up a Morris to play on someone smaller. Excluding Lake, our kpp's are still developing.

Whilst we would all love to have quality kpp's accross every line, we unfortunately have a number of underdeveloped kpp's. There needs to be a some more exprience in the kpp stocks and Brown has 181 games of it.
I would entertain the thought of picking him up in the PSD.
Im ready for all the responses from you guys telling me why we should NOT pick him up. I just think some of our supporters either want quality kpp's or young kpp's, not a plug and play kpp. Thoughts?

[Desipura]

The Cooney 3 brownlows post gets 10 replies and I get nuffin, zilch! I guess that tells me there is no interest whatsoever in Leigh Brown.

[Desipura]

First I thought I spelt it incorrectly then I realised you obviously think he is past it.

[Mantis]

First I thought I spelt it incorrectly then I realised you obviously think he is past it.

He never had it.

[The Coon Dog]

He never had it.

That's more like it.

[Desipura]

Would offer us more than a Wight/Everitt in a one on one physical contest. Look I do not have a strong argument for Brown, perhaps it just shows how underdeveloped we are in the kpp department when I am looking at Brown.

[Scraggers]

Would offer us more than a Wight/Everitt in a one on one physical contest. Look I do not have a strong argument for Brown, perhaps it just shows how underdeveloped we are in the kpp department when I am looking at Brown.

Agreed ... but Brown is not the answer:)

[Desipura]

Probably right, we do need a "plug and play" kpp and other than Carroll there is not much out there.
If Williams gets injured again (touch wood) we will have to rely on Morris/Everitt/Hargreave to play out of their weight division AGAIN or take a punt and play one of the youngsters and hope they can fill a void.

[soupman]

Just for those interested that may not have noticed, but there is a video of Chris Ogle up on the AFL site.

He appears to be very clean at ground level, but not so good in the air, with none of the highlights featuring him taking a mark over his head.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Just for those interested that may not have noticed, but there is a video of Chris Ogle up on the AFL site.

He appears to be very clean at ground level, but not so good in the air, with none of the highlights featuring him taking a mark over his head.

Dylan Addison mark II.

I reckon his dad should be asking his mum a few questions. I've never seen a kid so unlike his father in all my life.

[agraham]

As seen from our results this year, we need to look at adding some larger physical bodies to team.

Its all good and well saying that they have great skills but are lean. Not everyone can add the muscle that is needed to compete when it comes to the finals.

Prioritoes:
1.Key forward
2.Small forward to replace aker/johnno
3.Crash and bash on baller to create pathways and clearances for our elite line breaking midfield.
4. Ruckman (cordy)

Defence is in good shape, injury free year for williams/j grant should provide opporunties.

[LostDoggy]

Just for those interested that may not have noticed, but there is a video of Chris Ogle up on the AFL site.

He appears to be very clean at ground level, but not so good in the air, with none of the highlights featuring him taking a mark over his head.


Needs to work on his disposal, kicks on the up to much the ball floats. Has a bit of Griffen in him the way he shuffles back after taking a mark.