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southerncross
11-03-2007, 01:32 PM
Footy's finest - young, rich and out of it (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/footys-finest--young-rich-and-out-of-it/2007/03/10/1173478727321.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1)


Thought this might make for a good discussion

Footy's finest - young, rich and out of it

Andrew Rule
March 11, 2007


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/10/cc_Kerr_narrowweb__300x365,0.jpgEagles midfielder Daniel Kerr: notorious for his erratic lifestyle.




Elite footballers are young, rich and often act as if they are above the law, but they are not invincible. A high-flying AFL premiership player learned that the hard way last spring when he nearly died in an American hospital.
The strange circumstances surrounding a super-fit professional athlete being revived after "flatlining" is a story most football insiders know - but none talk about it publicly.
"Mate, it's right, but they'd hang me off the grandstand if I went on the record," a respected former player and official told The Sunday Age. "It's such a small world, football."
Like several other well-placed sources who confirmed the story, he made it clear that the game's unwritten code of silence was in this case reinforced with corporate spin and implied threats of reprisals against anyone who broke ranks.
The perceived risk of lawsuits has smothered all but the most oblique references to the mysterious medical emergency that could have ended with the player coming home in a coffin. Instead, he spent several days in hospital before being able to travel - and did not rejoin his teammates.
There are potent reasons for such an explosive scandal to stay "in club". The AFL and its 16 clubs have much at stake: multimillion-dollar sponsorships could evaporate if the lucrative AFL "brand" is damaged with one burst of bad publicity. And publicity could not get much worse than exposure of what really happened in that Las Vegas hospital five months ago.
On the record, players and club officials go along with the club's cryptic explanation dismissing the incident as a routine medical matter. Off it, insiders have told friends and relatives their man overdosed.
It fits a pattern of misbehaviour by AFL players and a tendency for clubs to cover up for those considered too valuable to lose - at the expense, sometimes, of lesser lights axed to protect sponsorships and the game's lucrative brand image.
The spectre of substance abuse hangs over the Las Vegas episode as it hangs over other strange incidents - the arrest, for instance, of Geelong's Steve Johnson in Wangaratta this year after worried householders called police when he staggered into their yard late at night and allegedly tried to drink from a bottle of suntan oil on their patio.
Then there is the weird behaviour of Carlton's Brendan Fevola in attacking an Irish barman, recently eclipsed by Eagles midfielder Daniel Kerr's bizarre late-night attack on a Perth taxi driver outside a hospital where he had taken a friend from a nightspot after a sudden bout of illness. Kerr is unlucky like that — his girlfriend was already in hospital after suffering a seizure.

Kerr's erratic lifestyle is notorious even in a city where footballers' excesses are mostly forgiven by adoring fans, some of whom run AFL clubs. The sort of fans who supported Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins when he left his car on a busy highway and bolted to avoid a booze bus — and when he was found unconscious near Melbourne's casino after another long night.
A young woman who went out with Kerr has told close friends she was shocked because he could not remember where he was — or who he was sleeping with — after he woke from "a big night".
Kerr asked her one summer night to pick him up from a party where he had been involved in a fight. When she arrived he looked at her blankly and said, "Who are you? Are you my lift?" She stopped seeing him after that.
Another regular at Perth's nightspots said Kerr "is constantly out of it and makes no secret of it. He sits around in bars and slurs his words. He doesn't recognise you from one day to the next."
One of Kerr's teammates narrowly escaped being caught in a police raid on the Red Sea bar on December 16 last year, where he had been drinking with members of the Coffin Cheaters bikie gang.
A well-known former Eagle was close to a champion dubbed "the Cocaine Kid" — and shared his taste in drugs.
"Girls I know used to go around to his house and he would be snorting coke off the coffee table," the woman said.
There was a sinister element to the big man's edgy lifestyle: neighbours saw people visiting him at all hours and were relieved when he moved out.
For all their on-field success, the Eagles have the worst reputation for drug and alcohol-fuelled misbehaviour. Other clubs have troubles — some of them inherited when they take on problem players "released" by original clubs — but the Eagles are notorious for flying too high.
"Drugs are rife at West Coast," a former club official declares. "At first the club didn't want to believe it. Now they say, 'Our blokes do it but they're no worse than any other club'. They are kidding themselves."
One cocaine-using player told him more than half the team were "into it". Worse, at least two club stars were "into the super, whizzbang stuff" so heavily that their supplier gives them other drugs to mask the effects of post-game binges. The supplier, he says, is a supporter keen to trade A-list "party" drugs to rub shoulders with A-list players. The person is not, as some might assume, well-known Perth identity John Kizon, though Kizon's socialising with players has long caused heartburn for the club.

West Coast was warned about the Kizon connection in 2001 when a police source told the club of taped conversations linking Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins and the since-disgraced Michael Gardiner with underworld figures. (Gardiner was sacked by the Eagles after causing a high-speed car crash while drunk.)
The charismatic and calculating Kizon, a convicted heroin trafficker and former boxer from Fitzroy, was a friend of the late Alphonse Gangitano — he flew to Melbourne to be a pallbearer at his funeral after Gangitano was shot in early 1998 — and is close to the powerful Coffin Cheaters gang.
In Perth he is admired by some, feared by many. It was inevitable he would make contact with local heroes the Eagles. Gangsters and stars often find each other.
In grand final week 2001, police saw Kizon meet Gardiner and Cousins at the Crown Casino complex; the three drank together at Fidel's Cigar Bar later that night.
Despite warnings, the two players did not distance themselves from Kizon; they were seen drinking with his Melbourne friends after an Eagles-Carlton game in early 2002.
The Carlton connection is interesting. The Moran family, which lost three members in Melbourne's underworld war, was closely connected to Carlton for three generations.
One of the Blues' great finals players reputedly played under the influence of drugs — "his eyes would be rolling around like mad", recalls a contemporary — and later became a dealer among younger players. He saw a Carlton player at a nightclub during the finals in the late 1990s and, while commiserating with him for being dropped from the side, slipped the embarrassed player some drugs. He is still reputed to deal to players and is not the only one.
Three years ago, Carlton recruits Laurence Angwin and Karl Norman were exiled from AFL football for turning up to a morning "recovery" session under the influence of ecstasy. Angwin now plays in Cairns, Norman in country Victoria.
Carlton is quick to discredit Angwin's claims that AFL players in Melbourne introduced him to ecstasy. "There would have been eight blokes (Carlton players) there that day who wouldn't have passed a test. Five out of the nine in the leadership group couldn't make eye contact with us when they called us in because they'd been out with us," he said.
Angwin's point is backed by a former AFL coach of impeccable character and high standing. He tells the story of a Crows star (with reputed shady connections) taking a fishing tackle box on a team trip. Inside were not hooks and sinkers, just dozens of brightly coloured pills. Drugs.
That might disappoint some club officials, but it won't shock them. They are now coping with a relentless rise in drug use and clubs are getting nervous.
There already is a quiet move to reverse the collateral damage done by the push against drinking. A former coach says some clubs are quietly reviving the practice of having a few drinks after a game, just like the old days.
But it's hard for some to go back after walking the wild side. One All-Australian player who made too much of his days in the sun boasted to a club official: "You haven't lived until you've had (a beauty queen) snort coke off your d---." The beauty is doing well, the player's career is in ruins.

Dry Rot
11-03-2007, 02:17 PM
I read somewhere on BF an allegation that McDougall didn't really fit in to WCE and was victimised by Gardiner.

He's better off out of that culture.

southerncross
11-03-2007, 02:33 PM
I read somewhere on BF an allegation that McDougall didn't really fit in to WCE and was victimised by Gardiner.

He's better off out of that culture.

I guess so. I know Eade has on at least two occasions mentioned that in a round about way McDougall was an immature footballer and I suppose he means in a purely football sense. After seeing Doogs today at the family day he does strike me as an immature type and one that could be easily victimised by the senior guys.

He seems to be settling in very well though.

alwaysadog
11-03-2007, 07:54 PM
I posted elsewhere a year or so ago about what a new player to the club some years ago had told me about the habits of certain WA players.

This is just giving it more credibility. I'm not crowing. If it's true then it is a monumental problem and many of the brightest stars appear to be trapped in a web that will in all liklihood ruin their lives and those closest to them.
I sure hope it doesn't happen to our team.

LostDoggy
11-03-2007, 08:06 PM
A very interesting article. The bit I find intriguing (if that's the right word) is that as professional athletes that have to train hard, focus on their body's well being etc, why some are keen to consume chemicals.

Fevola is someone who should never pick up a drink. Ever. Alcohol just doesn't agree with some people.

bornadog
11-03-2007, 11:31 PM
A very interesting article. The bit I find intriguing (if that's the right word) is that as professional athletes that have to train hard, focus on their body's well being etc, why some are keen to consume chemicals.

Fevola is someone who should never pick up a drink. Ever. Alcohol just doesn't agree with some people.

On the plane back from Darwin two years ago I was on the same flight as Carlton and I was seated in the very last seat, near the galley. The Carlton players were going up and down all night grabbing drinks and I heard the hostee say " sorry boys thats the last drink you have cleaned us out". Fevola was the worst, and at one stage was standing next to my seat bagging the coach. Mind you this was 3am as the flight left Darwin at 1 am (after the game). Before we got on the plane the Carlton players were in the Qantas club drinking that dry.

BulldogBelle
12-03-2007, 12:40 AM
I read somewhere on BF an allegation that McDougall didn't really fit in to WCE and was victimised by Gardiner.

He's better off out of that culture.

It happens at all clubs even at our own. There were allegations that Brown liked to annoy Luke Penny whilst he was at the dogs hence his departure over to St Kilda.

GVGjr
12-03-2007, 07:04 AM
It happens at all clubs even at our own. There were allegations that Brown liked to annoy Luke Penny whilst he was at the dogs hence his departure over to St Kilda.

Thats why it is so important that other senior players step in when they see this occurring.

bornadog
12-03-2007, 10:05 AM
It happens at all clubs even at our own. There were allegations that Brown liked to annoy Luke Penny whilst he was at the dogs hence his departure over to St Kilda.

Actually I thought Brown didn't fit into our culture. He never use to attend Family days and lots of other functions. If you look at my Avatar, that photo was taken at a Woofer Club clinic when my daughter was about 8 (now 13) and that day all the players were in attendance except Brown. I heard many of the kids asking where is Nathan Brown? The year before he left I participated in a golf day with the players who were raising money for their year end trip. All the players mingled with the supporters talking golf and footy, Brown kept to himself. Some players didn't play golf but they helped out with other activities along the course, except Brown.

southerncross
12-03-2007, 03:51 PM
Actually I thought Brown didn't fit into our culture. He never use to attend Family days and lots of other functions. If you look at my Avatar, that photo was taken at a Woofer Club clinic when my daughter was about 8 (now 13) and that day all the players were in attendance except Brown. I heard many of the kids asking where is Nathan Brown? The year before he left I participated in a golf day with the players who were raising money for their year end trip. All the players mingled with the supporters talking golf and footy, Brown kept to himself. Some players didn't play golf but they helped out with other activities along the course, except Brown.

Wasn't there a story about the players asking where was Browny because it was a compulsory turnout for the nominated players and the footballer manager basically said "well Browny can pick and choose which events he goes to"

bornadog
12-03-2007, 06:13 PM
Wasn't there a story about the players asking where was Browny because it was a compulsory turnout for the nominated players and the footballer manager basically said "well Browny can pick and choose which events he goes to"

Yes I think your right about that................ talk about a team game and bonding? I wonder how he has fitted in at Richmond?

alwaysadog
12-03-2007, 06:33 PM
On the plane back from Darwin two years ago I was on the same flight as Carlton and I was seated in the very last seat, near the galley. The Carlton players were going up and down all night grabbing drinks and I heard the hostee say " sorry boys thats the last drink you have cleaned us out". Fevola was the worst, and at one stage was standing next to my seat bagging the coach. Mind you this was 3am as the flight left Darwin at 1 am (after the game). Before we got on the plane the Carlton players were in the Qantas club drinking that dry.

Interesting some years ago (a decade) I had been in Perth for work and I shared a flight back with the Melb team, it was Gary Lyons last year I think. They were the nicest people to travel with, if they drank it would have been a couple at the most.

alwaysadog
12-03-2007, 06:38 PM
Thats why it is so important that other senior players step in when they see this occurring.

Exactly right; bystander behaviour has been identified a the critical ingredient in all bullying incidents.

alwaysadog
12-03-2007, 06:41 PM
Wasn't there a story about the players asking where was Browny because it was a compulsory turnout for the nominated players and the footballer manager basically said "well Browny can pick and choose which events he goes to"

There was at least one director of the club who was not sad to see the back of him, talked about his negative influence on the younger players.

Go_Dogs
13-03-2007, 11:08 AM
I think this article is spot on. I know personally and first hand of a VERY high profile SA player and Brownlow winner who bought a lot of e-pills from someone I know... (In 2004 and in season - around July/August - nearing the business end of the year).

The thing is, when you are training at such a high intensity, the drugs and alcohol don't really seem to effect the players too much. Obviously, a drug-free culture would be ideal, but in this world, with the age of the players and the amount of money they have as disposable income, it isn't going to change. The only way it will change is if people - everyone who is involved - are outed by these insiders and ridiculed in public to the point that their team has to drop them. Of course though, when so much money and corporate greed is at stake, this will not be the case.

We seem to be one club who escapes a lot of conjecture about this sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised at all in 10-15 of our players were regular users of drugs like Ecstasy, Speed/Meth, or Coke. I don't really see many footballers taking acid or those kind of substances.

Sockeye Salmon
13-03-2007, 11:35 AM
Interestingly Eade has come out and said anyone who tests +ve should be named.

Does this mean he thinks we don't have any users?

Go_Dogs
13-03-2007, 11:53 AM
Interesting ploy. The other thing that I find interesting is, that if so many players are apparently using, how come there are very few who have tested positive?

Topdog
13-03-2007, 02:11 PM
We seem to be one club who escapes a lot of conjecture about this sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised at all in 10-15 of our players were regular users of drugs like Ecstasy, Speed/Meth, or Coke. I don't really see many footballers taking acid or those kind of substances.

Going off this sample you think that >30% of people use drugs. Gross exaggeration. I'd be surprised to see any more than 5 players at one club on it.

Mofra
13-03-2007, 03:30 PM
Going off this sample you think that >30% of people use drugs. Gross exaggeration. I'd be surprised to see any more than 5 on it.

I'd be looking at the opposite end of the scale - possibly 30% as a gross underestimation.

Lets face it, as a footballer your body is your life - why would you wreck in with alcohol, which is detrimental to almost every cell of your body? You could take ecstacy (and I have seen players out on it many times - including one ex-Bulldog player) which will play with your serotonin levels but physically has much less (and in the case of pure MDMA, very little) physiological impact.

Dale Lewis was blasted a few years ago for speaking out against a drug culture within the AFL, yet given the weight of evidence you would have to say there is at least a solid foundation foir his accusations.

Topdog
13-03-2007, 04:38 PM
what exactly did Dale Lewis say? I think it was as I was moving away from Melb so I never really knew what happened with him.

Go_Dogs
13-03-2007, 06:25 PM
Dale Lewis pretty much went on record saying that drugs are rife in the AFL - a lot more than people tend to believe. Morfa makes the point I was trying to illustrate, that the drugs (the "cleaner" ones if we can call them that) don't interfere so much with the players bodies and minds.

Senior players aren't the exception either...as the player I referred to in my initial post is a senior player and if I can say w/o giving too much away, a club captain. The culture of players owning bars and clubs also fuels this type of thing too I think.

southerncross
13-03-2007, 09:29 PM
In light of everything that has been said of late does anyone else think Lewis might have been harshly dealt with by some of the players and media?

Dry Rot
13-03-2007, 10:41 PM
In light of everything that has been said of late does anyone else think Lewis might have been harshly dealt with by some of the players and media?

Whistleblowers usually are. :(

Topdog
14-03-2007, 09:58 AM
Dale Lewis pretty much went on record saying that drugs are rife in the AFL - a lot more than people tend to believe. Morfa makes the point I was trying to illustrate, that the drugs (the "cleaner" ones if we can call them that) don't interfere so much with the players bodies and minds.

Senior players aren't the exception either...as the player I referred to in my initial post is a senior player and if I can say w/o giving too much away, a club captain. The culture of players owning bars and clubs also fuels this type of thing too I think.

I know exactly what the effects of the cleaner drugs are and I can see how it would be easier for players to do but I just can't believe that any more than 5 players at 1 club do it.

Mofra
14-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Topdog, although there are footballers who take their responsibility as role models seriously, I don't know how you can estimate that footballers are that much cleaner than the remainder fo the population of an equivalent age.

Many footballers see the AFL as a part-time career. Even some of the most highly paid players in the game see themselves as property developers first, athletes second. Some who don't have an excess of time & money, and are immersed in a culture where every temptation possible is merely a phone call away. Unfortunately it is inevitable, especially when for all intensive purposes they have access to drugs that are cheap, cleaner than alcohol and virtually undetectable if the right preparation/night after cures are taken.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
14-03-2007, 07:51 PM
Top debate folks!

There are some equally interesting viewpoints to this debate, and it's unfortunate that at least for the time being there won't really be any accurate figures on drug use in the AFL.

The one thing I have been thinking after reading this is that AFL players as fully professional athletes are not a random sample of the total population and therefore it's not possible to use societal drug usage %'s as any sort of reflective comparison.
The amount of variables and metaphorical sieves and filters players of the modern age seem to go through to make it onto a clubs list in the first place, ensure that the group that do make it are almost certainly not able to be compared with the general population at large.

NOW.... I would say that this still doesn't answer the question of whether the usage is either significantly higher or lower amongst football players than the general population. Just trying to point out that we can't really just use general population as a gauge for comparison.

The main points in my mind that seem to make this group more likely to choose certain illicit substances over alcohol to unwind are;
- Club environment discourages players drinking in modern era,
-ability to mask and hide certain drug use perhaps??
-perception of alcohol reducing performance compared to certain drugs.... I'd certainly think there would be some basis for challenging this though.. especially in a medium to long term study. I can't see in any shape or form how prolonged meth or cocaine use could not be more devastating to the brain than alcohol......

On the other hand though given the hoops this group of the population have to jump through and the psychological and medical scrutiny to get picked up by AFL clubs..and also given the level of sustained physical athleticism required to play the game nowadays........Are drugs and alcohol in general more unpalatable to the modern day player than they were in previous generations of players? Were prior generations more likely to get blasted than today???.......or do you also have to factor in the comparitive ease of access to a more vast array of substances today than there used to be????

Some sort of survey not unlike I think what was done in the cricket a couple of years ago should be undertaken I think to see how much of a problem this is..
The original article that inspired this debate was a jaw dropper for me, and in opinion highlights that sooner or later some sort of real tragedy seems almost inevitable if some of this is true...