Game Day - Bulldogs vs Dockers

[GVGjr]

This is the discussion thread for today's important clash against the unpredictable Fremantle side.

My predictions are the Dogs by 13 points, Hahn BOG and Minson for the first goal.

[LostDoggy]

Dogs by 12, Hahn to destroy someone, Higgo BOG, Johno first goal.

[Max469]

Dogs by 1 pt

BOG: Morris

1st Goal: Gia

[The Coon Dog]

Dogs by 26.

Griffen BOG.

Aker to kick the first goal.

[LostDoggy]

A poster on another thread said cooney was out yesterday. True?

[Mantis]

Dogs by 17.

Gilbee BOG

Minson 1st goal.

A game we should win, hopefully our defensive pressure is as good as what it was in our last 2 finals last season where we hopefully set a benchmark.

[Bulldog4life]

Doggies by 20 points.

Johnno first goal.

Gilbee Best On Ground.

[azabob]

I dont have a good feeling about this game at all. With a combination of Cooney, Murphy or Williams playing I think we will run out of legs.
I think Freo will win by 9 points and Sandilands best on ground.
First goal Pavlich.

[Sockeye Salmon]

I dont have a good feeling about this game at all. With a combination of Cooney, Murphy or Williams playing I think we will run out of legs.
I think Freo will win by 9 points and Sandilands best on ground.
First goal Pavlich.

I agree. I think we're about to get pumped.

Freo by 31.

[BulldogBelle]

Dogs by 18 points, BOG - Daniel Cross and first goal to Johnson.

[LostDoggy]

Haha im editing mine it was very similar to yours BulldogBelle..and i didnt even read it ahha

Dogs by 26pts
Johnno BOG
First Goal Aker

[Scraggers]

Too many changes in Freo over the off-season for them to be a cohesive unit ...

Dogs by 18 points

Griff best on ground

Higgins first goal

[The Coon Dog]

Haha im editing mine it was very similar to yours BulldogBelle..and i didnt even read it ahha

Dogs by 26pts
Johnno BOG
First Goal Aker

Close to mine now, margin & 1st goalkicker. I hope you get them right! ;)

[BulldogBelle]

Haha im editing mine it was very similar to yours BulldogBelle..and i didnt even read it ahha

Yes, I noticed that, you should have left it as it was. :)

[Dazza]

Dogs by 17

Daniel Cross BOG

First goal Johnson

[LostDoggy]

Haha gold...I dont read other replies but only noticed BB's as it was just above me

Great minds may think alike TCD ;)

[The Underdog]

Dogs by 11 points
Cross BOG
Higgins First Goal

[mighty_west]

Dogs by 2
B.O.G - Griff
First goal - Johnno

[Scorlibo]

Dogs by 11.
Griffen BOG.
First goal to Hill.

[Go_Dogs]

Dogs by 6 goals. Unfortunately not going to be able to watch/listen to the game this afternoon, so any reports those who are able to, would be most appreciated.

I'm hoping for big games from Griffen and Higgins.
First goal - Hahn.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Dogs by 30 points,

Jonno 1st goal (1 of 8)
Jonno best on ground with Cross a close second.

[LostDoggy]

Dogs by 22 and first goal to Gia.

[KT31]

Bulldogs by 3.
Johnno first goal.
Griff best on ground

[soupman]

Bulldogs by 14.

Daniel Cross bog.

Chris Tarrant first goal, with Mitch kicking our first.

[LostDoggy]

the nerves/excitement are setting in. What makes it worse is Freo is so unpredictable/inconsistent you never know which Freo you are playing. Hopefully it's the crap Freo otherwise the game will be a lot closer than it should be. Does anyone have an update on the Murphy/Cooney/Williams situation?

[lemmon]

Starting to get excited now,
Dogs by 39 points
Griffen BOG
Johnson to boot the first one

[Mantis]

I agree. I think we're about to get pumped.

Freo by 31.

In what areas do you see Freo having a distinct advantage?

[LostDoggy]

Murphy is out, Tommy Gunn to Play:) Roger Haydn out for Freo.

[becmatty]

Late changes:

Williams in for Murp for 'Doggies.

Hayden out for Drum for Freo.

[DOG GOD]

Freo by 11 pts.

Subi factor and that Sandilands should absolutely DOMINATE!!!

[Sockeye Salmon]

In what areas do you see Freo having a distinct advantage?

Rather than freo having a distinct advantage, I'm far more concerned about us taking underdone players into the game.

I also think our focus over the pre-season is being fit for the last half of the season rather than the first half. Davoran's comments "they looked like they were running in mud" for instance.

[Dazza]

Man I hate this 7pm start. Getting so edgy.

[ledge]

For some reason i am not to confident in this game, even the head honchos seem a bit nervous, usually go into the first game with an air of confidence , doesnt seem that way this year.
Are we just playing it down and then going to surprise the competition by smashing them?

[becmatty]

Ledge, not surprising you aren't so confident:

We have Welsh and Murphy out - they contributed close to 80 combined goals (or almost 4 per match) last year.

Add to that some seriously under-done players (Cooney, Williams, Akermanis, Hahn) and a number of others who have has interrupted or slow starts over the pre-season (Lake, Johnson, Hudson...)

If we can wobble to the line it will be a significant win. Freo are a dangerous side (lost 8 of last season's matches by 12 points or less) and should be favorites for this one given the reasons mentioned above. They have some great fresh blood so the result will come down to the wire.

Higgins, Griffen, Giansiracusa, Eagleton, Boyd, Cross were flying at training during the week. That is usually a good indicator and I expect them to be amongst our better players today.

Cross your fingers, but don't be too surprised or disappointed if we are 0-1 in 4 hours...

[Rocket Science]

- Dockers by 22 points
- Johnno with the 1st major
- Griffen BOG for the good guys

[The Adelaide Connection]

Does anyone know of an online stream for the game? The one I usually use that is reliable for fox sports doesnt look like it has it on. Grrr I gotta get fox

[Scorlibo]

Not a good start. Hill and Palmer their young guns with goals.

[lemmon]

Not a good start. Hill and Palmer their young guns with goals.

Fighting back now, up by 16 points 5 straight goals in 9 minutes. Griffen with 2

[The Adelaide Connection]

Found an online stream, i am using the Veetle program from this site. It is a small program that you will need to install before you get the feed.

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=34259&part=sports

[ledge]

Got to be happy with that, apparently kicking against a 4 goal wind

[Go_Dogs]

Found an online stream, i am using the Veetle program from this site. It is a small program that you will need to install before you get the feed.

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=34259&part=sports

Could you please elaborate a bit more, I'm trying to work it out, but I'm a bit stuck. Is it a tv stream link, or just audio? What I've clicked on seems to suggest TV. :confused:

[becmatty]

Qtr time, Doggies by 9 pts.

Doggies 6.1
Dockers 4.4

Griffen with 3 goals, Addison, Cooney, Hahn 1.

Best so far: Griffen, Lake, Johnson, Boyd, Higgins, Cross, Cooney, Hill, Morris.

Minson and Hudson got on top of Sandilands as the quarter went on. Akermanis and Johnno, some great clever work and set up some scoring opportunities.

A good solid start.

[becmatty]

Addison also a good start.

Doggies made 30 interchange rotations in first term!

[The Adelaide Connection]

Could you please elaborate a bit more, I'm trying to work it out, but I'm a bit stuck. Is it a tv stream link, or just audio? What I've clicked on seems to suggest TV. :confused:

It is a full video and audio feed and is exactly what you would see on Fox (but obviously not in anywhere the same quality). That said I have blown it up to full screen and it is very watchable. If you leave it as a small window it is ver good quality but just, well, small.

Go to the link that I put on my last post.
Click on the Veetle one. (2nd from top from memory?), It will take you to the veetle site.
Then I clicked on the screen and it informed me that I needed to download the Veetle player (only about 3meg and wont take long).
Open and install it and refresh the veetle browser and it will work.

[Go_Dogs]

It is a full video and audio feed and is exactly what you would see on Fox (but obviously not in anywhere the same quality). That said I have blown it up to full screen and it is very watchable. If you leave it as a small window it is ver good quality but just, well, small.

Go to the link that I put on my last post.
Click on the Veetle one. (2nd from top from memory?), It will take you to the veetle site.
Then I clicked on the screen and it informed me that I needed to download the Veetle player (only about 3meg and wont take long).
Open and install it and refresh the veetle browser and it will work.

Thanks, got it. :)

[The Adelaide Connection]

Thanks, got it. :)

No probs. So much nicer to see what is going on :D

[becmatty]

Griffen 16, you legend, I have lived abroad for 10 yrs and listen online and this link is the first successful time I have been able to watch a game.

I owe you a carton of coldies next time I'm in town. Stoked.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Hey, that should be my carton of coldies! ;)

[G-Mo77]

Pretty impresive first half. They looked very sharp and quick. Fremantle are lucky they are within 6 goals.

[ledge]

35 points at half time, im impressed so far, team effort all round, i still beg for a tall forward, come on Granty get a move on!

[The Pie Man]

That was a great last 15 minutes to the 2nd qtr, staggered we were double their score before Pav scored a late one. I'm not calling it, but 35 points will be a mountain for the Shockers to climb.

Nice to see Gilbee up the ground and scoring from outside 50. Tiller's been strong, midfield pressure is great (even Eagleton's tackling) and Higgins has impressed again. How good was Griffen's first quarter?

[ledge]

Would like to mention our bodies look hard and strong.

[Go_Dogs]

That was a great last 15 minutes to the 2nd qtr, staggered we were double their score before Pav scored a late one. I'm not calling it, but 35 points will be a mountain for the Shockers to climb.

Nice to see Gilbee up the ground and scoring from outside 50. Tiller's been strong, midfield pressure is great (even Eagleton's tackling) and Higgins has impressed again. How good was Griffen's first quarter?

Yes, looking very good. And some were doubtful... :D

Everitt is looking good too, seems to be moving pretty well.

A few mistakes by foot and hand, but generally pretty good.

Overall pleasing first half.

[Bulldog4life]

Would like to mention our bodies look hard and strong.

Was going to say the same thing Ledge. They have been mighty impressive to me.

[G-Mo77]

Was going to say the same thing Ledge. They have been mighty impressive to me.


Would like to mention our bodies look hard and strong.

Calm down boys.... :p

[Bulldog4life]

Calm down boys.... :p

I should have said so far :D

[ledge]

Mines fat and lumpy nowadays, carting around beer cartons all day just isnt working!

[LostDoggy]

What's with all the love for Freo from the commentors? Clearly wishing Freo over the line and it's pretty irritating.

[The Pie Man]

Two really important moments - Dale Morris trapping it off Crowley in the middle that led to Gilbee's goal and Lakes smother that started the Gia goal (Eagleton and Boyd important in that one also)

Impressive goal from Suban just then kept this one wide open. They won that quarter by 13 points, they probably played better than that so in a strange way I'll take that, especially with goals against the flow.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Two really important moments - Dale Morris trapping it off Crowley in the middle that led to Gilbee's goal and Lakes smother that started the Gia goal (Eagleton and Boyd important in that one also)

Impressive goal from Suban just then kept this one wide open. They won that quarter by 13 points, they probably played better than that so in a strange way I'll take that, especially with goals against the flow.

Couldn't have been easy into that wind either, so a 13 point deficit is definitely a good return i'd say.

[The Coon Dog]

What's with all the love for Freo from the commentors? Clearly wishing Freo over the line and it's pretty irritating.

Makes you sick doesn't it?

[Scorlibo]

Hopefully all the running work done in the pre-season will pull us over the line here. I don't have anything but statistics but going by them, our midfield five of Cooney-Griffen-Boyd-Cross-Higgins looks tantalising.

[Go_Dogs]

Lake down to the rooms. Hopefully nothing serious.

Akermanis goal should just about seal this one up, one more would be nice though.

[The Pie Man]

Addison!! Great stuff

Nice grab Josh Hill - I reckon he's been alright tonight, though that OONF is an example of why he drives Rocket nuts. Saw some footage of him in his ear at half time, looked a bit of a spray

[The Pie Man]

HAHA and again - Daniel Wells you're not Josh - won't take a genius to imagine that will dead set infuirate Rocket

[lemmon]

What have your thoughts been on Wards game?

[LostDoggy]

Excellent team effort tonight and I loved the way they fought it out until the end. Hill impressed me immensely. I liked his tackling and he was very unselfish with the way he handballed to team mates in slightly better position for goals. He might frustrate Eade but on tonights effort I don't think Rocket has too much to complain about.

[LostDoggy]

What have your thoughts been on Wards game?
Composed and his skill level is well above average.

[Go_Dogs]

Good win. 25 goals is not a bad return at all.

Gilbee, Gia, Griff, Boyd, Hahn and Higgins my standouts. Sadly for some, Eagle also looked very good today.

Hill did a few stupid things at times.

[ledge]

i think Josh is quickly becoming our Fev, amazing one minute, stupid the next!
I would put Eagleton in our best for sure, really good 4 quarters from him including chasing and tackling.
Ward was okay, he looks quite comfortable in AFL will only get better.

[ledge]

Johnno didnt kick a goal and we still got 25.

[lemmon]

Very happy with the win, we seemed like a team on a mission. Skills were very good, pressure was good and we converted our oppertunities. Boyd best on for me.

[alwaysadog]

25 goals is a pretty good effort for most teams but especially for one without what the critics refer to as a proper attack.

[ledge]

Team effort really, all players had good patches, no injuries or serious ones i dont think, wasnt that hot so all goes well for next week.

[LostDoggy]

Eagleton was very impressive. Glad he stood up, looks like he's serious about making amends for his end to last year, and if can contribute like this every week I'm more than happy to eat my words.

Can't believe those who were picking us to lose this week. It was never going to be a contest; next week will be a much tougher assignment.

[LostDoggy]

Excellent team effort tonight and I loved the way they fought it out until the end. Hill impressed me immensely. I liked his tackling and he was very unselfish with the way he handballed to team mates in slightly better position for goals. He might frustrate Eade but on tonights effort I don't think Rocket has too much to complain about.

He only got credited with one but he certainly harrased his opponents.

[lemmon]

I think this win answered a lot of both the criticts and supporters questions. A lot of people questioned whether we could sustain what we did last year and improve I think tonight proved we are top 4. Positive that we kicked 25 goals without contribution from Johnson.

[LostDoggy]

Very happy with the win. I thought Hudson would have had to be one of the most influential on the game. Beat Sandilands quite comfortably. We seemed to be in control of the match. When they got within 16, we quickly put on 2 goals. That bit of play where Gilbee was lining up, passed it to Boyd to get it back again and miss was woeful and I hope we don't see more of that. Overall, good performance. And how good was Griffen in the 1st quarter?

[Dazza]

Good team win. 3rd quarter was frustrating. Overall a good performance.

[LostDoggy]

Great team effort and nice start to the new season. Loved DFA's efforts with a couple of good tackles. Our midfield is looking pretty sharp. It wasn't that long ago that games interstate would fill me with dread as a supporter but not at the moment. Also terrific to see Williams get through a game unscathed (touch wood). Boyd was fantastic.

[craigsahibee]

Pretty bloody good I reckon. Someone is going to be bloody stiff to get dropped for Murphy. Great depth.

[mighty_west]

Great first up win, Boyd awesome.

[LostDoggy]

Addison is WONDERFUL. New favourite player.

[Dogs 24/7]

Good team win. 3rd quarter was frustrating. Overall a good performance.

I don't normally get nervous but I thought another 5 mins of weak football could have had things back on even terms.

[mighty_west]

What have your thoughts been on Wards game?

Took him a while to get in the game, but his second half was very good, him & Higgo really impressed me today.

[ledge]

Last 5 goals were not really up to the pressure of AFL, Freo had thrown in the towel i think, but its a good thing as we kept going and should be fresh for next week.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Very impressive display.

Our structure and team plan was brilliant. Somewhat like Hawthorn, we rarely kicked to a contest and worked the ball around until we found an opening. Of course to pull this off you need to have exceptional foot skills, hard running and good decision making. I actually thought our handball was FAR better than last year, and our pressure/tackling raised a bar or two.

In terms of individual performances, Boyd and Eagleton were superb. I'm a knocker of the latter but boy, that was his best game possibly ever. He ran hard, he pressured, he kicked goals - he was very, very good. Boyd and Cross showed plenty of bite in the contests whilst Cooney, Griffen and Higgins worked smoothly together. Plenty of options up forward too, even without Welsh/Murphy and an ordinary Johnson. Hahn booting five was fantastic and even though Hill was frustrating, he wasn't far off stealing the show had a few things been done a little differently.

All in all, a very promissing team performance. I can't help but be very encouraged by what I saw tonight and only hope we continue this next week against North Melbourne, who we struggle against.

[LostDoggy]

The Good:

Winning in Subi is always tough and to win it comfortably with no injuries and reports is a bonus.

Over 140 points scored by a team without a key forward.

Great tackling, decision making and set shot shooting for goal.

The Tank Mitch Hahn, crunched a couple of Freo players and kicked 5 goals.

Ben Hudson and Minson nullfiying Sandilands.

Callan Ward tough, skillful and determined - everything the guy he was traded for is not.

Eagleton - shut a few critics up.

Tom Williams, came through not injured and was a rock in the backline along with Lake and the Glove Dale Morris.

Everitt, should keep his spot, just needs to work on his decision making and kicks for goals.

Matty Boyd, Shaun Higgins, Josh Hill, Callan Ward, Daniel Cross and Ryan Griffen and Ben Hudson are all in my Super Coach team : )

And dogs still have Tim Callan, Bob Murphy and Scott Welsh to come in to the side....if the selection committee can find someone to drop.


The Bad:

Some bad skill errors and sometimes an inability to get out of the backline. Gilbee had a couple of shockers and Ward too.


The Ugly:

Josh Hill blowing an easy set shot for goal and Gilbee trying to be too cute to kick for goal.


The Commentators -
I swear, I have not heard so much biased commentary in my life, all of them wanted Freo to win except for Bubba Smith. They got all excited whenever Freo kicked a goal, but the dogs just kept slamming on the goals and all I hear was "Good goal" pathetic.

The Kangas - the dogs current Bogey team at the MCG, will the dogs break the Subi curse?
I can't wait to find out.

Go Dogs!

[Prince Imperial]

What have your thoughts been on Wards game?

He struggled with the pace of the game in the first half and got caught 2-3 times. Pace is not his strong point but his second half was really good. His hardness and general football smarts came to the fore. He will only improve as he adjusts to the tempo of the game at AFL level. We have got a beauty here.

[mighty_west]

Addison is WONDERFUL. New favourite player.

He's great isn't he, so hard at it, in your face, the type of player most supporters appreciate.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Ward had a huge second half.

He's a tough kid with classy foot skills and decision making. He likes to take them on and go for a run too.

Thought he looked a lot more at home than he has previously, which is a great sign.

[ledge]

Ward and Higgins are so alike in the way they look skills wise.
Im backing young Josh gets a blast.
Our quietest player was probably big Will but he even had some good moments.

[Dazza]

Thought Tiller played very nicely tonight. Hopefully develops into a hard honest defender the ilk of a Steve Kretiuk.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I think this win answered a lot of both the criticts and supporters questions. A lot of people questioned whether we could sustain what we did last year and improve I think tonight proved we are top 4. Positive that we kicked 25 goals without contribution from Johnson.

Agree and also in a team minus Murphy and Welsh who usually add a couple.

[GVGjr]

Thought Tiller played very nicely tonight. Hopefully develops into a hard honest defender the ilk of a Steve Kretiuk.

Have to agree and he was good in the finals as well. He's doing his job and he must be gaining a lot of confidence.

[The Pie Man]

Eagleton was very impressive. Glad he stood up, looks like he's serious about making amends for his end to last year, and if can contribute like this every week I'm more than happy to eat my words.

Can't believe those who were picking us to lose this week. It was never going to be a contest; next week will be a much tougher assignment.

I was a bit nervous about today, though I picked us. While very pleased with the result, I still remember giving Geelong a touch up round 1 2007 and we all know how that finished up. Very confident this group has a different psyche to 2 years ago, but similar Carlton on Thursday, we shouldn't get too excited as the opposition wasn't flash (both Richmond & Freo were probably the worst performed of the first week....that and Sydney's 2nd & 3rd quarters last night....sheeesh that was bad)

[ledge]

And dogs still have Tim Callan, Bob Murphy and Scott Welsh to come in to the side....if the selection committee can find someone to drop.
And Grant, Skipper, Stack, Roughead, you would expect all these to get a game somewhere in the season.

[Prince Imperial]

Im backing young Josh gets a blast.

I'm pretty sure the TV coverage at half time saw Rocket give Hill a blast in the rooms. God knows what Eade will be saying now.

[LostDoggy]

I'm pretty sure the TV coverage at half time saw Rocket give Hill a blast in the rooms. God knows what Eade will be saying now.

his body language looked like he wanted to cry at the end of the game. eagleton and hahn looked like they were trying to cheer him up.

[LostDoggy]

I'm really pumped:) There is a lot of talent in Freo's side, although lacking experience for many, so to come away with a win is always good, to come away with a 63 point win is fantastic - takes the shine of Carlton flogging the old Tiges:D

[always right]

IF Murph is right to play next week, I imagine Everitt might be under the most pressure to make way. He was okay tonight but nothing great. Ward's last quarter was a beauty and should be enough to keep his spot after a fairly quiet first three quarters. Hill is an important player....provides so many options for Eade whether he be up forward, on the wing or floating around the ground. Reckon his spot is safe as he has the X factor that you need in our team, and because we don't have a true key forward we need a bloke who can take a grab like Hill can.

[ledge]

Thought Tiller played very nicely tonight. Hopefully develops into a hard honest defender the ilk of a Steve Kretiuk.

He will be one of those quiet achievers i think, play a heap of games, hold his own but never hit the spotlight,quite amazing when you look at the difference in picks with him and Jesse Wells, just goes to show its about wanting it and working hard.
I like the fact he is a good mark and could sneak down forward too.

[ledge]

I'm really pumped:) There is a lot of talent in Freo's side, although lacking experience for many, so to come away with a win is always good, to come away with a 63 point win is fantastic - takes the shine of Carlton flogging the old Tiges:D

Some blokes i just think cant coach, Harvey and Knights are who i think cant, and Terry Wallet , well his time has past.
We know most teams have the talent but a lot of it is having the coach who sets the game plan to suit the list.

[AndrewP6]

First off, I just don't understand Dogs "supporters" tipping against us? Why bother being a supporter? Last time I tipped against us, they got up and beat a strong favourite...on to the game -

Griffen YOU BEAUTY... showed his wares... look out for him this year... Hill could just be a star, needs to leave the Hollywood stuff at home though...should've had a couple of goals... Hudson did great in the middle... Minson too was good... Aker is a very smart player...most often does well with the pill when he has it... love Boyd and Cross' hard work...they win games from the centre I reckon...I didn't think Ward was all that great...did a few good things... I reckon he'll be an unlucky one to make way for Murph or Welsh next week. So glad we SMASHED them...25 goals with two forwards out, and nothing from Johnno, is a pleasing sign... GO DOGS!

[LostDoggy]

25 goals with Murph and Welsh out, Johno had a shocker! 10 goal win at Subi is awesome.

Boyd BOG
Mitch Hahn 5 goals and steam roller action, great tackling.
Hudson, Addison were very good. Really like the young hard man Addo.
Griff broke the game early then went a bit quiet, silky and great pace.
Higgo was very good.

Very happy tonight but a big test next week, important game.

[bornadog]

Great win, we ran all day and didn't look tired at all. The backline was fantastic today and really looked solid, the midfield was just awesome and to think Cooney was hardly on the ground (still got 20 possessions). Griffens first quarter was amazing and Boyd ran all day. I thought Ward was good in the last quarter, got caught a few times in the third quarter.

Players to rack up possessions were

Boyd 33
Gilbee 33
Higgins 29
Cross 29
Gia 28
Griffen 23

Overall we had 100 more disposals than Freo

Mitch Hahns 5 goals was just what he needed to give him a great start to the season and also laid 5 tackles.

Can't wait till next week.

[LostDoggy]

He's great isn't he, so hard at it, in your face, the type of player most supporters appreciate.

I just live vicariously through his playing. I imagine he would be what most of us would be like if we played for the Dogs -- red-hot passionate and in-your-face never-say-die...

[LostDoggy]

I wonder if Eade will bit the bullet and make changes as everytime we play North its after a tough WA trip.

[LostDoggy]

Gia, Cross and Giolbee were great too.

Some out of character kicking from Gilbs in the 3rd though.

Still very happy :)

[LostDoggy]

And to top it off higgins got 141 in Supercoach

[LostDoggy]

25 goals with Murph and Welsh out, Johno had a shocker!
Wash your mouth out. He was smashed by Tarrant at every opportunity and got little to nothing from the umps. He ran his backside off and was far from our worst.

[LostDoggy]

I wonder if Eade will bit the bullet and make changes as everytime we play North its after a tough WA trip.

Murph for Everitt. Maybe Harbrow for HIll too.

[Mantis]

I wonder if Eade will bit the bullet and make changes as everytime we play North its after a tough WA trip.

Who would be in the gun? Bloody hard to find someone to drop.

Still think that Callan must play next week.

[LostDoggy]

Wash your mouth out. He was smashed by Tarrant at every opportunity and got little to nothing from the umps. he ran heis backside off and was far from our worst.

Haha he was HEAVILY tagged by Tarrant, he still made some uncharacteristic mistakes. To elaborate... shocker by Johno standards, definately not our worst but not in the top ten. He took a very good player out of the game. The umpiring at times was quite poor, both ways.

[LostDoggy]

Who would be in the gun? Bloody hard to find someone to drop.

Still think that Callan must play next week.

Exactly.
I was thinking runners, maybe rest Aker or Eagle but they played well?
I would play Callan as North's small forwards worry me.

[GVGjr]

Some blokes i just think cant coach, Harvey and Knights are who i think cant, and Terry Wallet , well his time has past.
We know most teams have the talent but a lot of it is having the coach who sets the game plan to suit the list.

I have my doubts on Harvey but Knights has bugger all to work with and I think he is doing very well. Last year his side was decimated with injuries and he didn't bitch or moan about it. We won't know for a while if he will be successful but he seems to be OK.

Wallace can coach but his ego is the problem. He has a few weeks to get this side performing. On paper it looks reasonable but he might have lost his troops.

[Mantis]

Exactly.
I was thinking runners, maybe rest Aker or Eagle but they played well?
I would play Callan as North's small forwards worry me.

Yep we need Callan to pick up either Campbell or Thomas who will probably be a bit too nimble for the defenders that played today.

[mighty_west]

Exactly.
I was thinking runners, maybe rest Aker or Eagle but they played well?
I would play Callan as North's small forwards worry me.

Harvey is always our main concern, but their two indiginous forwards can turn a game.

I'd probably bring in Timmy Callan for Everitt.

[Rocco Jones]

Yep we need Callan to pick up either Campbell or Thomas who will probably be a bit too nimble for the defenders that played today.

Yeah, agreed. We struggled with Peake early and with a couple of suitable match ups next week, Callan looks a sure in.

It would be good to rotate a few runners with the big trip and all. Harbrow should be back, perhaps Reid. It looks like Bob might miss again but Welsh is a chance.

[GVGjr]

Yep we need Callan to pick up either Campbell or Thomas who will probably be a bit too nimble for the defenders that played today.

I wonder if the injury he copped yesterday might limit him? It didn't look serious but he doesn't have a great track record with injuries.

[The Coon Dog]

Yep we need Callan to pick up either Campbell or Thomas who will probably be a bit too nimble for the defenders that played today.
Agree, Callan has to come in. Rocket went into this game knowing he was going to bring home players who would have really been affected as has happened in the past & we've selected them & they have struggled.

Seems silly in a way to be looking at one or two & simply resting them, but it's all about quality of depth & effective list management.

I guess with the V.U gizmo guys down at the club they'll know if someone is not tracking as expected.

[craigsahibee]

his body language looked like he wanted to cry at the end of the game. eagleton and hahn looked like they were trying to cheer him up.

He did have two arm bands on. One was for Griff's dad, the other?

[LostDoggy]

He did have two arm bands on. One was for Griff's dad, the other?

i didn't notice that

[Mantis]

I wonder if the injury he copped yesterday might limit him? It didn't look serious but he doesn't have a great track record with injuries.

Was it a muscle injury or a collision injury?

If we don't play Callan next week do we have the small defenders that can successfully nullify the nimble North forwards?

[Jasper]

I know people on here love addison and I do like his attack on the ball but he fumbles far to much and he can't kick. Callan is far better in both these areas and needs to come in for him next week.

[GVGjr]

Was it a muscle injury or a collision injury?

If we don't play Callan next week do we have the small defenders that can successfully nullify the nimble North forwards?

I was talking to one of the Williamstown guys yesterday and whilst he wasn't 100% sure he thought he had an ankle injury. The ankle was iced but Callan was also rubbing around his knee.

I suppose Harbrow could be in the mix but he wasn't consistent yesterday.

[LostDoggy]

Thought we played well, looked pretty sharp for the first round.

Put the foot down and stored an early lead, then just relaxed a little bit. Whenever Freo got close, we kicked away again.

I think the boys wanted to do just enough to win, considering we have to travel back to Perth in 3 weeks.

[The Coon Dog]

2nd on the ladder, behind Carlton, which obviously means Richmond are last. In case anyone didn't hear that, Richmond are last!

[Mantis]

I was talking to one of the Williamstown guys yesterday and whilst he wasn't 100% sure he thought he had an ankle injury. The ankle was iced but Callan was also rubbing around his knee.

I suppose Harbrow could be in the mix but he wasn't consistent yesterday.

I can't see a Gilbee or Addison picking up Thomas or Campbell, just aren't quite nimble enough. Will be interesting to see what tactic we enforce.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

How did everyone rate Tiller's game?

I admit to not really remembering him too well, which as a defender is not such a bad thing.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I can't see a Gilbee or Addison picking up Thomas or Campbell, just aren't quite nimble enough. Will be interesting to see what tactic we enforce.

IN: Callan
OUT: Everitt/Tiller

Callan to Campbell.

Hargrave to Thomas?

[LostDoggy]

Thought Tiller played very nicely tonight. Hopefully develops into a hard honest defender the ilk of a Steve Kretiuk.

Had a few goals kicked on him.

[soupman]

I know people on here love addison and I do like his attack on the ball but he fumbles far to much and he can't kick. Callan is far better in both these areas and needs to come in for him next week.

Why would you drop Addison? He showed tonight exactly why he's in the side with that run down tackle on Browne. I have him firmly entrenched in our best 22, and his skills tonight were fine. I think Callan will replace Everitt, who whilst solid probably didn't do enough and coming off an interrupted pre-season I'd prefer him to be rested after a Subi trip.

[LostDoggy]

Callan and Addison aren't competing for the same spot in any case.

[LostDoggy]

2nd on the ladder, behind Carlton, which obviously means Richmond are last. In case anyone didn't hear that, Richmond are last!

Having kept tabs on all the games this weekend, and knowing full well that it's only Round 1, and without putting any extra pressure on anyone, I'm going out on a limb (although it's hardly a shocking prediction), and saying that:

If Tom Williams stays fit and plays finals, the Dogs will win the flag in 2009.

[Not necessarily saying anything about his performance tonight, just noticing how much better the structure down back looks with Tom in the picture.]

[Scraggers]

Hi All,

Just got back from the game ... great result, particularly as I live and work in the Freo area.

Not a lot more to add than what has already been posted today ... Just to say that Griffen's motor is huge - he could run all day if he had too. His pace out of the centre or down the wing was awe inspiring (in fact there were a lot of comments about him around me by the Fickle Freo Faithful).

Matty Boyd had a great game, but it was more his ability to read the play on the expanses of Subi that impressed me.

I put $20 on a the TAB on the way to the game on the Bulldogs to win by more than 37.5 points ... paid $7 ... $140 coming my way Monday morning

Lost my voice screaming at the Freo supporters, particularly those who left early, and from singing the song so loudly back at the Irish Club ... All in all, a great day at the footy

[Remi Moses]

Hi All,

Just got back from the game ... great result, particularly as I live and work in the Freo area.

Not a lot more to add than what has already been posted today ... Just to say that Griffen's motor is huge - he could run all day if he had too. His pace out of the centre or down the wing was awe inspiring (in fact there were a lot of comments about him around me by the Fickle Freo Faithful).

Matty Boyd had a great game, but it was more his ability to read the play on the expanses of Subi that impressed me.

I put $20 on a the TAB on the way to the game on the Bulldogs to win by more than 37.5 points ... paid $7 ... $140 coming my way Monday morning

Lost my voice screaming at the Freo supporters, particularly those who left early, and from singing the song so loudly back at the Irish Club ... All in all, a great day at the footy

Sledge to every mug punter who backed Fremantle,you're all dimwits.Jeez I thought it's been a harrowing experience following Footscray/Western Bulldogs over the journey,we've got nothing on Fremantle. Turnover after turnover

[Mantis]

Hi All,

Just got back from the game ... great result, particularly as I live and work in the Freo area.

Not a lot more to add than what has already been posted today ... Just to say that Griffen's motor is huge - he could run all day if he had too. His pace out of the centre or down the wing was awe inspiring (in fact there were a lot of comments about him around me by the Fickle Freo Faithful).

Matty Boyd had a great game, but it was more his ability to read the play on the expanses of Subi that impressed me.

I put $20 on a the TAB on the way to the game on the Bulldogs to win by more than 37.5 points ... paid $7 ... $140 coming my way Monday morning

Lost my voice screaming at the Freo supporters, particularly those who left early, and from singing the song so loudly back at the Irish Club ... All in all, a great day at the footy

The nice collect makes it a perfect day for you.:)

It was great the team could perform so well for our WA based supporters. Let's hope we can do the double for you in a few weeks time.

[alwaysadog]

I wonder if Eade will bit the bullet and make changes as everytime we play North its after a tough WA trip.

Eade said at TopDogs dinner last Tuesday that he would change the side around to keep the players fresh for the two Perth games so early in the season. Also said they would monitor recovery like never before.

[Mantis]

Eade said at TopDogs dinner last Tuesday that he would change the side around to keep the players fresh for the two Perth games so early in the season. Also said they would monitor recovery like never before.

But it makes it bloody hard to do this after you've had a 10 goal win.

[Bulldog Revolution]

But it makes it bloody hard to do this after you've had a 10 goal win.

Yes it does

And they played Cooney, Williams etc in a game where they'd said they perhaps wouldn't so its hard to know what to believe

As others have suggested Callan might be a likely inclusion for Campbell. Thomas played further up the ground and maybe Addison might get a job on him.

The Tiller, Williams, Everitt backline showed a fair bit of promise and allowed the side a flexibility to move Gilbee up the ground. Its also hard to believe that those three will not be better for the run given they've all had pre-season hiccups

[LostDoggy]

Hey guys!
I watched that live online p2p stream of the game using that sentanta thingo haha
Does that happen every week? Or is there a different link for every different match?

Dogs played tough! A 63 point win is great, against any opposition =]

[Jasper]

Callan and Addison aren't competing for the same spot in any case.

As I said he fumbles far to much and turns the ball over a lot. His chasing and tackling are great but callan does that just as well and and can hit a target by foot. how are they not competing for the same spot? they are both hard and tough back pockets, were as everitt (who is a better kick that both) is a third tall.

[The Coon Dog]

they are both hard and tough back pockets
Addison is not a back pocket in my view. He'll play more & more time in the midfield throughout the season I reckon. Great in & under & tough too.

[always right]

Addison is not a back pocket in my view. He'll play more & more time in the midfield throughout the season I reckon. Great in & under & tough too.

Agree....better overhead than callan and his disposal has improved by leaps and bounds. important part of our team nowadays. I reckon Addison and Hill are Eade favourites despite the occasional burst Rocket gives Hill. He adds something unique to our side.

[Mantis]

Agree....better overhead than callan and his disposal has improved by leaps and bounds. important part of our team nowadays. I reckon Addison and Hill are Eade favourites despite the occasional burst Rocket gives Hill. He adds something unique to our side.

It might be more than the occassional rocket, but certainly agree on the second point.

[LostDoggy]

As I said he fumbles far to much and turns the ball over a lot. His chasing and tackling are great but callan does that just as well and and can hit a target by foot. how are they not competing for the same spot? they are both hard and tough back pockets, were as everitt (who is a better kick that both) is a third tall.

As TCD has already pointed out, Addison is ear-marked for a lot more time in the middle this year as an in-and-under/run-with type, and Callan is down for a role to tag the opposition's best small forward (clearly ahead of Dylan in this department as Callan has a smaller turning circle and better closing speed).

[chef]

Addison is not a back pocket in my view. He'll play more & more time in the midfield throughout the season I reckon. Great in & under & tough too.

Couldn't agre more. Callan if definately our best small defender and will be needed to stop one of Thomas and Campbell with Hargrave getting the other one.

[dog town]

Cant remember us moving the ball so quickly and easily away from stoppages. It is hard to know how good we were because Freo were deplorable. Getting those quick releasing handballs and exploding away from traffic really is where our strength lies IMO. Adding Ward and Higgins to the mix really adds to our strength as well.

Giansiracusa was very good. Barely made an error with the touches he had. Just a very consistent performer these days.

[The Coon Dog]

The thing that stood out for me more than anything was the pressure we exerted on the Fremantle ball carrier. Caused them to turn it over contstantly throughout the day.

[Jasper]

As TCD has already pointed out, Addison is ear-marked for a lot more time in the middle this year as an in-and-under/run-with type, and Callan is down for a role to tag the opposition's best small forward (clearly ahead of Dylan in this department as Callan has a smaller turning circle and better closing speed).

All right but if he is not played in the back line is their room for him in the side we have probably 7 or eight mids ahead of him(ward after last night is clearly ahead of him now).

[LostDoggy]

Ward and Addison aren't competing for the same spot either.

DFA is firmly entrenched in the 22 for now.

[comrade]

Cant remember us moving the ball so quickly and easily away from stoppages. It is hard to know how good we were because Freo were deplorable. Getting those quick releasing handballs and exploding away from traffic really is where our strength lies IMO. Adding Ward and Higgins to the mix really adds to our strength as well.

Giansiracusa was very good. Barely made an error with the touches he had. Just a very consistent performer these days.

Our handballing through traffic to break the zone was Geelong-esque at times. Couple that in with Shaggy, Gilbee and Lake kicking long and hitting targets - great to watch.

[aker39]

All right but if he is not played in the back line is their room for him in the side we have probably 7 or eight mids ahead of him(ward after last night is clearly ahead of him now).


Addison is in our best 22.

Simple as that

[LostDoggy]

Never ceases to amaze just how the complexion of a Monday can be governed by this football team. To come away from W.A. with an inspiring and powerful win like that has raised my general happiness immeasureably.

The mix currently is right, and all the more encouraging to know we have Murph to return. Touching heaps of wood right now on the topic of Tom Williams, will not say anything more on that front. The only area we may be falling short is the ruck division - though it has to be said Sandilands will beat most of his opponents all year when Freo play at home. I expect Hudson/Minson will break even against most other ruck combinations aside from Cox and Hille. On another note though, Ben Hudson looks like the lead singer of Clutch with that beard, and I like it.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Gia had 25/28 effective disposals - that's an incedible effort.

[Jasper]

Addison is in our best 22.

Simple as that

then who makes way for murphy callan and welsh all three also in our best 22. eagle did enough to hold his spot, as others have said rocket loves hill and you can't drop ward after his game. Everitt maybe but I thought his game was more that servicable and he adds height and run to defence. that leaves Addison and tiller. (playing devils advocate here because you all seem blinded by your love of addison)

[azabob]

then who makes way for murphy callan and welsh all three also in our best 22. eagle did enough to hold his spot, as others have said rocket loves hill and you can't drop ward after his game. Everitt maybe but I thought his game was more that servicable and he adds height and run to defence. that leaves Addison and tiller. (playing devils advocate here because you all seem blinded by your love of addison)

This week out Ward in Tim Callen. North are too tall to drop Everitt or Tiller.
Worry about who to drop when Murphy and Welsh are ready to come back in.

[Jasper]

This week out Ward in Tim Callen. North are too tall to drop Everitt or Tiller.
Worry about who to drop when Murphy and Welsh are ready to come back in.

their is no way ward gets dropped

[chef]

This week out Ward in Tim Callan. North are too tall to drop Everitt or Tiller.

North's small forwards will trouble us more than their talls. They really only have McIntosh, Hale and Petrie who can play tall in their forward line(two ruckmen and a utility)
and only one will play in there at a time.

[azabob]

their is no way ward gets dropped

Do you think Addison should be dropped?

I think we need Addison more so than Ward against North. North are a physical team who are hard at the man and ball. Addison is bigger and stronger than Ward.
Ward is unlucky but IMO Addison should play ahead of Ward.

[LostDoggy]

then who makes way for murphy callan and welsh all three also in our best 22. eagle did enough to hold his spot, as others have said rocket loves hill and you can't drop ward after his game. Everitt maybe but I thought his game was more that servicable and he adds height and run to defence. that leaves Addison and tiller. (playing devils advocate here because you all seem blinded by your love of addison)

We are blinded by Rocket's love of Addison, not our own. He is one of the first names on the teamsheet every week, just pointing that out -- different players are earmarked for different roles, team balance is more important than specific personnel.

Re: Next week, Murph will probably not play, Welsh may/may not come in, Rocket would have earmarked players to rotate over the first five weeks -- Cooney may be rotated if sore, Eagle and Aker may be rotated depending on how they pull up.

Based on team structure, Tiller or Everitt are the most likely to be rotated out for Tim Callan.

[Jasper]

Do you think Addison should be dropped?

I think we need Addison more so than Ward against North. North are a physical team who are hard at the man and ball. Addison is bigger and stronger than Ward.
Ward is unlucky but IMO Addison should play ahead of Ward.

I think ward is tough enough to hold his owe against north and he gives us far more in terms of skill level than addison. North have shut us down for years using the zone and the only way to beat it is good foot skills. An area were Ward is much more reliable than Addison.

Do you honestly think Addison had a better game than ward last night?

[LostDoggy]

I think ward is tough enough to hold his owe against north and he gives us far more in terms of skill level than addison. North have shut us down for years using the zone and the only way to beat it is good foot skills. An area were Ward is much more reliable than Addison.

Do you honestly think Addison had a better game than ward last night?

Once again, different roles. Comparing apples with oranges.

Ps. LOVE Ward, by the way.

[azabob]

I think ward is tough enough to hold his owe against north and he gives us far more in terms of skill level than addison. North have shut us down for years using the zone and the only way to beat it is good foot skills. An area were Ward is much more reliable than Addison.

Do you honestly think Addison had a better game than ward last night?

Didn't see last nights game, but what I've seen of both players I'd prefer Addison at this stage. I do agree with you Wards foots skills are better than Addisons.
I guess the best thing out of this who thing is we must be going pretty well to have good competition for spots.

[Jasper]

We are blinded by Rocket's love of Addison, not our own. He is one of the first names on the teamsheet every week, just pointing that out -- different players are earmarked for different roles, team balance is more important than specific personnel.

Re: Next week, Murph will probably not play, Welsh may/may not come in, Rocket would have earmarked players to rotate over the first five weeks -- Cooney may be rotated if sore, Eagle and Aker may be rotated depending on how they pull up.

Based on team structure, Tiller or Everitt are the most likely to be rotated out for Tim Callan.

How do you figure, they are both 3rd tall types were as callan is a small (same as addison), and both are far more versitile as they can play both tall and small.

[LostDoggy]

Callan was icing bruised ribs during/after the Willy Prac match. he may not get up. Didn't play any game time after the second qtr from memory.

[Jasper]

Once again, different roles. Comparing apples with oranges.

Ps. LOVE Ward, by the way.

Latern I am interest to know what roll you think addison plays and who he is competing with because everyone I see him competing with you have shut down.

[LostDoggy]

How do you figure, they are both 3rd tall types were as callan is a small (same as addison), and both are far more versitile as they can play both tall and small.

Horses for courses, depending on opposition -- against teams with a specialist small forward, Callan will be needed at the expense of one of the two versatile 3rd tall types (better than either Tiller or Everitt on a super-quick small).

However, as may often be the case that against more flexible teams without a specialist small forward, Tiller and Everitt will be needed and Callan will not have an obvious direct opponent and find it hard to get in the 22.

(This all assumes a fully fit team. Defence group is generally made up of Lake, Hargrave, Morris, Williams, Gilbee, Tiller, Everitt and Callan to fill 6 + 1 spots [6 start, 1 on bench] depending on opposition, all with ear-marked roles, with scope for flexibility. Dylan has been training with both defence and midfield groups over pre-season, with eye towards much more midfield time, but with the flexibility to swing back when required.)

[DOGSTAR]

Had a few goals kicked on him.

Tiller got caught out of position a couple of times in the first quarter,but battled back for the rest of the game and showed he can hold down the position, he works hard.
Tim Callan probably won't be fit for the next round. The word out is that Murphy will be given more time, it could be up to round 4 before we see him playing.

[LostDoggy]

Latern I am interest to know what roll you think addison plays and who he is competing with because everyone I see him competing with you have shut down.

Those with more direct access to Rocket please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that he provides the grunt in the hole, moving forward into midfield or swinging back as required.

Is seen as a vital cog in the structure because he has the flexibility to come off the bench to essentially play a couple of roles:

1. Shore up the hardness of the midfield as cover for Boydy and Cross via the interchange, as the in-and-under ball-winning ability of the midfield falls away after those two guys.

2. Able to go back at a pinch to help out the defence with any 'swingmen' the opposition might throw forward.

DFA starts on the bench, and is crucial to maintaining the intensity of the contest in the middle when some of the starting midfielders come off. No one else on the list really does this, while having the flexibility to help out in defence. Rocket has been documented to lament Dylan's loss last year as particularly devastating to the Dogs' finals hopes.

[Mantis]

Those with more direct access to Rocket please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that he provides the grunt in the hole, moving forward into midfield or swinging back as required.

Is seen as a vital cog in the structure because he has the flexibility to come off the bench to essentially play a couple of roles:

1. Shore up the hardness of the midfield as cover for Boydy and Cross via the interchange, as the in-and-under ball-winning ability of the midfield falls away after those two guys.

2. Able to go back at a pinch to help out the defence with any 'swingmen' the opposition might throw forward.

DFA starts on the bench, and is crucial to maintaining the intensity of the contest in the middle when some of the starting midfielders come off. No one else on the list really does this, while having the flexibility to help out in defence. Rocket has been documented to lament Dylan's loss last year as particularly devastating to the Dogs' finals hopes.

I think all the points you have raised about Dylan are valid. It's plainly obvious that he is well regarded amongst his peers and coaches within the club for the simple fact that you know that you will get a honest effort everytime he sets foot on the ground.

His disopsal is improving, but still isn't great, but his tackling and courage make him a stable member of our best 22.

[DOGSTAR]

IF Murph is right to play next week, I imagine Everitt might be under the most pressure to make way. He was okay tonight but nothing great. Ward's last quarter was a beauty and should be enough to keep his spot after a fairly quiet first three quarters. Hill is an important player....provides so many options for Eade whether he be up forward, on the wing or floating around the ground. Reckon his spot is safe as he has the X factor that you need in our team, and because we don't have a true key forward we need a bloke who can take a grab like Hill can.

I was at the game last night and agree Hill has the X Factor, but he is not a 4 Quarter performer,at times last night in the first half he was very soft and didn't want to attack the ball or the opponents, it was only after Eade gave him a rev up that he started to show what he is capable of. He also did this in the trial games. I feel that if this continues he could find himself on the outer.

[Jasper]

his disposal efficiency last night was 53%(by far the worst in the side and second worst of any player on the ground) he had 3 clangers from his 15 stats including one he kick out on the full under no pressure over 20 metres, I am sorry but he just has to hit that target every time. Their is no way he can be called a "stable member" until his disposal improves a lot.

[always right]

his disposal efficiency last night was 53%(by far the worst in the side and second worst of any player on the ground) he had 3 clangers from his 15 stats including one he kick out on the full under no pressure over 20 metres, I am sorry but he just has to hit that target every time. Their is no way he can be called a "stable member" until his disposal improves a lot.

His disposal is improving and there's lots of upside. If he can eliminate the occasional clanger, then he will be a pretty complete package who provides a different element to the team. He's versatile, good overhead, committed, runs down blokes, and takes no shit. He's everything Jordan McMahon wasn't. Is is it any wonder he gets a lot of love here?

[bulldogtragic]

He's everything Jordan McMahon wasn't. Is is it any wonder he gets a lot of love here?

Quote of the year!

[soupman]

How do you figure, they are both 3rd tall types were as callan is a small (same as addison), and both are far more versitile as they can play both tall and small.

Callan is a different type of player to the other 3 mentioned here. Callan plays on the dangerous crumbing smalls; the Davey's, Rioli's, Farmer's and Davis'. None of the other players mentioned have the pace, positioning ability or turning circle to match it with any of these guys. Shanggy is the only other viable option but he is more suited to the Brad Johnson type of players (the Medhurst's). Fremantle didn't have any real dangerous small forwards that Callan would normally take, but North have heaps (Thomas, Campbell and even Harvey). Thats why Callan if fit should be brought into the side.


his disposal efficiency last night was 53%(by far the worst in the side and second worst of any player on the ground) he had 3 clangers from his 15 stats including one he kick out on the full under no pressure over 20 metres, I am sorry but he just has to hit that target every time. Their is no way he can be called a "stable member" until his disposal improves a lot.

Addison is in the side for his hardness and attack at the footy, and his love of a physical contest. He's the sort of player we have lacked in the last few years, someone who genuinely will hurt the opposition. He's the type of player every side wants for the finals. Yes, his disposal can be shoddy but generally its acceptable, and the benefits to the side he offers (which are almost solely brought by him) outweigh any negatives.

[Bulldog4life]

Apart from being a great team effort the player to impress me most last night was Mathew Boyd.
He just gets better and better each season and last night his reflexes in cutting off passes that were going to the opposition was sensational.

Also his ability to effect constructive handleballs with either hand is top shelf and his kicking is improving too. He is such an important midfielder to us now and I just love his work ethic.

[Jasper]

Callan is a different type of player to the other 3 mentioned here. Callan plays on the dangerous crumbing smalls; the Davey's, Rioli's, Farmer's and Davis'. None of the other players mentioned have the pace, positioning ability or turning circle to match it with any of these guys. Shanggy is the only other viable option but he is more suited to the Brad Johnson type of players (the Medhurst's). Fremantle didn't have any real dangerous small forwards that Callan would normally take, but North have heaps (Thomas, Campbell and even Harvey). Thats why Callan if fit should be brought into the side.

Agree with every thing you said, my point was callan should be in the side but he his unlikely to replace everitt or tiller because of the different role they play, but addison plays a similar role so he may replace him.

Addison is in the side for his hardness and attack at the footy, and his love of a physical contest. He's the sort of player we have lacked in the last few years, someone who genuinely will hurt the opposition. He's the type of player every side wants for the finals. Yes, his disposal can be shoddy but generally its acceptable, and the benefits to the side he offers (which are almost solely brought by him) outweigh any negatives.

Mate I love his attack at the footy and the body but i am sorry 53% is not acceptable it has to improve and fast, we can't not afford to carry plays with poor skills because the hawks and the cats don't. what is "solely brought by him" ? I think your selling the rest of the team short mate we have plenty on tough play.

[Jasper]

Apart from being a great team effort the player to impress me most last night was Mathew Boyd.
He just gets better and better each season and last night his reflexes in cutting off passes that were going to the opposition was sensational.

Also his ability to effect constructive handleballs with either hand is top shelf and his kicking is improving too. He is such an important midfielder to us now and I just love his work ethic.


I ccouldn't agree more some of his handballs last night were voss like

[LostDoggy]

Was fantsatic to see live, especially being the only Bulldogs supporter in sight in my section of the ground. Our pack work was amazing, players always had the escape route out back (numbers to the contest) much like Geelong. Noticeable difference out of the centre when Hudson was replaed by Minson. All in all a great win, life in the Perth office has been oh so sweet.

[ledge]

I was always of the opinion Boyd was being groomed for Wests job but then Cross made an appearance, this has allowed Boyd to not be the in and under all the time, but also an around the ground pressure maker too.

[ledge]

In the wash up , yeah we played great but can you imagine if we had a tall forward on Tarrant and Johnno crumbing?
We still need a tall with forward brains to top this side off.

[Mantis]

I was always of the opinion Boyd was being groomed for Wests job but then Cross made an appearance, this has allowed Boyd to not be the in and under all the time, but also an around the ground pressure maker too.

Hey ledge can you translate this into English for me as I'm having a hard time working out what point you are trying to make..... Maybe I'm just thick.

[Scorlibo]

I was always of the opinion Boyd was being groomed for Wests job but then Cross made an appearance, this has allowed Boyd to not be the in and under all the time, but also an around the ground pressure maker too.

I think it was the other way round ledge, Cross emerged as a regular accumulator about 2 seasons before Boydy.

[always right]

Mate I love his attack at the footy and the body but i am sorry 53% is not acceptable it has to improve and fast, we can't not afford to carry plays with poor skills because the hawks and the cats don't. what is "solely brought by him" ? I think your selling the rest of the team short mate we have plenty on tough play.

Rather than quoting a % based on one game, let's see how he goes over the coming weeks. My perception is that his disposal in general is on an upward climb when it comes to hitting targets.

[Happy Days]

Sorry boys, late to the game (the thread, not the actual match) here, but here are my thoughts.

Gilbee for mine was far and away BOG. His kicking was something to be marvelled (as BT pointed out every time he got near the pill) and the line he dropped (25-odd touches, 3 goals) is a sensational effort off the back flank.

Another highlight was some of Boyd's work - a really good performance, just kept getting the thing. His kicking looks to have improved over the summer, as does Cross'.

Higgins was sensational, best 4-quarter performance of his career thus far, and looks to have thoroughly deserved that no. 7 guernsey. Looked all class.

Ward too put in a good one, started off slowly, but really came into it in the second half. Another one who oozed class.

Griffen's first quarter was one for the ages, 30 minutes of pure impact.

Eagleton, whilst earning much praise in this particular thread, didn't really do anything out of the ordinary. His tackles, whilst commendable, often failed to stick (there was one piece of play in our forward line where he missed 3 in a row), and his three goals, whilst obviously decent, came in, guess when, junk time. I wouldn't look to far into it.

The overriding positive for mine was Tommy Williams, showing the ability to survie 4 quarters of AFL footy. Good stuff Tom.

Bring on the Roos.

[LostDoggy]

Had a few goals kicked on him.

Jerry, Is the the best you will offer us about your views on the game in what was a convincing win? It was a home game for you and all you have done is chip away at a player. Did you not go?

[LostDoggy]

Jerry, Is the the best you will offer us about your views on the game in what was a convincing win? It was a home game for you and all you have done is chip away at a player. Did you not go?

He is still hurting as Freo lost.

[ledge]

Hey ledge can you translate this into English for me as I'm having a hard time working out what point you are trying to make..... Maybe I'm just thick.

I wont comment on your last 4 words but i just think while Crossy is busy in and under its allowed Boyd to move around the ground more freely and cut off passes with which he seems to do regularly, thus i think Boyd is coming into his own and probably getting a bit more recognition.

[Mantis]

Sorry boys, late to the game (the thread, not the actual match) here, but here are my thoughts.

Gilbee for mine was far and away BOG. His kicking was something to be marvelled (as BT pointed out every time he got near the pill) and the line he dropped (25-odd touches, 3 goals) is a sensational effort off the back flank.

Another highlight was some of Boyd's work - a really good performance, just kept getting the thing. His kicking looks to have improved over the summer, as does Cross'.

Higgins was sensational, best 4-quarter performance of his career thus far, and looks to have thoroughly deserved that no. 7 guernsey. Looked all class.

Ward too put in a good one, started off slowly, but really came into it in the second half. Another one who oozed class.

Griffen's first quarter was one for the ages, 30 minutes of pure impact.

Eagleton, whilst earning much praise in this particular thread, didn't really do anything out of the ordinary. His tackles, whilst commendable, often failed to stick (there was one piece of play in our forward line where he missed 3 in a row), and his three goals, whilst obviously decent, came in, guess when, junk time. I wouldn't look to far into it.

The overriding positive for mine was Tommy Williams, showing the ability to survie 4 quarters of AFL footy. Good stuff Tom.

Bring on the Roos.

Most around here thought his kicking was pretty poor... I tend to agree with them.

[ledge]

Most around here thought his kicking was pretty poor... I tend to agree with them.

Yes it was mentioned during the game that his kicking let him down a few times by the so called experts on the telly.
Not his normal accuracy but we do need to remember the breeze was a factor and kicking into it makes it damn hard to get over the top of players when your used to kicking darts.

[Go_Dogs]

Most around here thought his kicking was pretty poor... I tend to agree with them.

Yes, made a few clangers. He also did kick some terrific balls though. I'll accept a few clangers for the game breaking kicks, but yeah, not his best outing with the foot skills.

[Scraggers]

Was fantsatic to see live, especially being the only Bulldogs supporter in sight in my section of the ground. Our pack work was amazing, players always had the escape route out back (numbers to the contest) much like Geelong. Noticeable difference out of the centre when Hudson was replaed by Minson. All in all a great win, life in the Perth office has been oh so sweet.

Ooooh yeah !!!

What section were you sitting in ??

[Dazza]

We'll definately need Addisons hardness against North. They have a team full of hard at it players.

[GVGjr]

We'll definately need Addisons hardness against North. They have a team full of hard at it players.

Very good point. They also have a few good talls and that's why I'd prefer to keep Everitt in the side as well.

[Dazza]

It's the reason why i think Hill may be dropped for someone like Reid or Wood.

[Mantis]

Very good point. They also have a few good talls and that's why I'd prefer to keep Everitt in the side as well.

Which tall do you think Everitt would be suited to play on?

[GVGjr]

Which tall do you think Everitt would be suited to play on?

No one specific but as insurance in case they throw an extra tall forward. At least Everitt can play on smaller guys as well.

[Mantis]

No one specific but as insurance in case they throw an extra tall forward. At least Everitt can play on smaller guys as well.

I think we will be & have to be better prepared than that. We knew that Freo were going to try and stretch us on the weekend so we played Williams to play on Bradley + others.

Who of the following North talls would we be comfortable matching Everitt on?

Smith - 195cm - 105kg
Petrie - 197cm - 105kg
Hale - 201cm - 103kg

I wouldn't be comfortable with any of those match-up's.

[mighty_west]

No one specific but as insurance in case they throw an extra tall forward. At least Everitt can play on smaller guys as well.

You don't think we can cover whoever they throw forward?, with the likes of Lake, Williams, Morris & Hargrave have always played on taller forwards.

They have Hale, Petrie, McIntosh etc, but they have to have ruckman going around, and wouldn't want to go too top heavy up forward.

Whilst Everitt is tall, i'm not too sure if he can really play a key position role at this stage.

[GVGjr]

I think we will be & have to be better prepared than that. We knew that Freo were going to try and stretch us on the weekend so we played Williams to play on Bradley + others.

Who of the following North talls would we be comfortable matching Everitt on?

Smith - 195cm - 105kg
Petrie - 197cm - 105kg
Hale - 201cm - 103kg

I wouldn't be comfortable with any of those match-up's.

I'd personally would have no problems with a Smith match-up but who else on our list is there then that can come in and play on a tall?

[GVGjr]

You don't think we can cover whoever they throw forward?, with the likes of Lake, Williams, Morris & Hargrave have always played on taller forwards.

They have Hale, Petrie, McIntosh etc, but they have to have ruckman going around, and wouldn't want to go too top heavy up forward.

Whilst Everitt is tall, i'm not too sure if he can really play a key position role at this stage.

I have my doubts that Callan will be OK for this match so if that is correct, Morris and Hargrave might have to play on the smaller guys leaving Lake, Williams and Everitt for the talls.

[Mantis]

I'd personally would have no problems with a Smith match-up but who else on our list is there then that can come in and play on a tall?

I would probably be more comfortable with Tiller playing on Smith than Everitt at this stage of their careers.

Will be an interesting week at selection. As you have posted, a lot will depend on Callans availability to how we set up down back.

[GVGjr]

I would probably be more comfortable with Tiller playing on Smith than Everitt at this stage of their careers.

Will be an interesting week at selection. As you have posted, a lot will depend on Callans availability to how we set up down back.

Tiller is a good option and another one who can switch between taller and smaller opponents. I have some renewed faith in him. I like the fact that Everitt uses the ball better than most and I think we should stick with him if the team structure can support it.

[AndrewP6]

I think Ward will get dropped... he and maybe Tiller or Everitt

[alwaysadog]

Agree....better overhead than callan and his disposal has improved by leaps and bounds. important part of our team nowadays. I reckon Addison and Hill are Eade favourites despite the occasional burst Rocket gives Hill. He adds something unique to our side.

Eade claims they are totally different types and do different jobs, but what would he know? Also says Addison has very good foot skills but needs more poise in execution.

[azabob]

Tiller is a good option and another one who can switch between taller and smaller opponents. I have some renewed faith in him. I like the fact that Everitt uses the ball better than most and I think we should stick with him if the team structure can support it.

I reckon Tiller should be played as the leading FF this weekend starting in the goal square.....

[Mantis]

I reckon Tiller should be played as the leading FF this weekend starting in the goal square.....

So playing him in defence for the last 12 months and allowing him to gain confidence in this role will just be thrown out the door and we will play him up forward in a role he has never succeeded in? (He looks capable up forward, but hasn't put it together)

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Bulldog4life]

So playing him in defence for the last 12 months and allowing him to gain confidence in this role will just be thrown out the door and we will play him up forward in a role he has never succeeded in? (He looks capable up forward, but hasn't put it together)

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Probably not at this time but it wouldn't surprise me to see Tiller become our "swing man" in the future like Hunter of West Coast when he gets more experience. At the end of the 2007 season he was about the only shining light in our dismal forward line if my memory serves me correct.

[Mantis]

Probably not at this time but it wouldn't surprise me to see Tiller become our "swing man" in the future like Hunter of West Coast when he gets more experience. At the end of the 2007 season he was about the only shining light in our dismal forward line if my memory serves me correct.

Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)

[LostDoggy]

I've thought about this a little bit -- Williams was taken between Roughhead and Franklin in the draft. Was he earmarked as a CHB or CHF? It's just weird that as a club the Dogs have struggled for a KPF and yet having a pick between Roughhead and Franklin, two of the more dominant KPFs in the game currently, we picked a CHB? (Not knocking Williams, just wondering if he would be as dominant a KPF as either of the other two if allowed to learn the game up forward)

[Mantis]

I've thought about this a little bit -- Williams was taken between Roughhead and Franklin in the draft. Was he earmarked as a CHB or CHF? It's just weird that as a club the Dogs have struggled for a KPF and yet having a pick between Roughhead and Franklin, two of the more dominant KPFs in the game currently, we picked a CHB? (Not knocking Williams, just wondering if he would be as dominant a KPF as either of the other two if allowed to learn the game up forward)

No he wasn't.

1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams

[Bulldog4life]

Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)


If we could develop at least 1 or maybe 2 of the above to play well either end it certainly would be a decided advantage. Apart from Chris Grant the other past player who did this with success was Peter Foster. There probably were others but those 2 stick in my mind......apart from EJ of course!

[LostDoggy]

No he wasn't.

1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams

Oh yeah! Was thinking about Griff, whoops.

Richard Tambling. Seriously. So Hawthorn get Roughhead and Franklin, while Richmond took Deledio and Tambling. While the latter aren't terrible players by any means, it's pretty clear which club came out of this better. Why wouldn't you, if you were Richmond, take at least ONE key position pick out of the first five if you had two picks (like we did, I suppose, with Ryan and Tom)? Deledio and Tambling are very similar players, and good talls are so hard to find. Just terrible, terrible recruiting.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)

Thats an excellent plan Mantis.

Structurally I think its important they keep Tiller and Everitt in the team gaining valuable experience and confidence.

Both had interrupted elements in their preseasons but both appear to have added muscle to their frames and seem to have solid attitudes. At the moment Tiller seems to be getting more comfortable deep in defence, whilst Everitt is benefitting from being able to get up the ground a bit more.

They'll probably want to settle Williams for a bit also, but he tends to look comfortable after about 4 games. I hadn't even thought about Lake up forward but with Everitt, Morris, Hargrave, Tiller and Williams we definitely have the ability to try this when matchups suit.

[bulldogsman]

Oh yeah! Was thinking about Griff, whoops.

Richard Tambling. Seriously. So Hawthorn get Roughhead and Franklin, while Richmond took Deledio and Tambling. While the latter aren't terrible players by any means, it's pretty clear which club came out of this better. Why wouldn't you, if you were Richmond, take at least ONE key position pick out of the first five if you had two picks (like we did, I suppose, with Ryan and Tom)? Deledio and Tambling are very similar players, and good talls are so hard to find. Just terrible, terrible recruiting.

Just had a look at it. Deledio, Tambling, Myer, Polo all picked in the top 20 that year with Pattison the only tall they picked up. What were they doing?

[Sedat]

Richard Tambling. Seriously. So Hawthorn get Roughhead and Franklin, while Richmond took Deledio and Tambling. While the latter aren't terrible players by any means, it's pretty clear which club came out of this better. Why wouldn't you, if you were Richmond, take at least ONE key position pick out of the first five if you had two picks (like we did, I suppose, with Ryan and Tom)? Deledio and Tambling are very similar players, and good talls are so hard to find. Just terrible, terrible recruiting.
At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Richmond (I feel dirty even saying that), it's very easy to make these calls in hindsight. At the time Deledio was considered the standout #1 that year by most clubs, and Tambling was rated in the top 2-3 by the majority of clubs that season as well. Franklin has a shocking U-18 carnival and was considered a risky proposition from an attitude perspective - some clubs would not have selected him in the first 80 even if they had the chance.

As an aside, Scotty Clayton was in raptures about Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls the following year - thankfully the Tigers stepped in a couple of spots before us otherwise we might have had another failed first rounder on our list. Drafting is certainly not an exact science by any stretch.

[LostDoggy]

At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Richmond (I feel dirty even saying that), it's very easy to make these calls in hindsight. At the time Deledio was considered the standout #1 that year by most clubs, and Tambling was rated in the top 2-3 by the majority of clubs that season as well. Franklin has a shocking U-18 carnival and was considered a risky proposition from an attitude perspective - some clubs would not have selected him in the first 80 even if they had the chance.

As an aside, Scotty Clayton was in raptures about Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls the following year - thankfully the Tigers stepped in a couple of spots before us otherwise we might have had another failed first rounder on our list. Drafting is certainly not an exact science by any stretch.

Oh, of course it isn't a science, and your recollection of events is spot on, in my book. Deledio was a shoo-in #1 pick, sure, but I'm just questioning the logic of picking two running, light-bodied types in the first five picks.. why wouldn't you at least go for a key position prospect as well? Besides Franklin there was Williams which we took.

While it's not a science by any stretch, there are better recruiters and worse recruiters, and some clubs (I'm thinking North and the Hawks in general) do it much better than others, and Richmond is clearly one of the worst at it. You would think a side that has only played finals twice in twenty years would have plenty of early picks to work with.

[hujsh]

Callan is a different type of player to the other 3 mentioned here. Callan plays on the dangerous crumbing smalls; the Davey's, Rioli's, Farmer's and Davis'. None of the other players mentioned have the pace, positioning ability or turning circle to match it with any of these guys. Shanggy is the only other viable option but he is more suited to the Brad Johnson type of players (the Medhurst's). Fremantle didn't have any real dangerous small forwards that Callan would normally take, but North have heaps (Thomas, Campbell and even Harvey). Thats why Callan if fit should be brought into the side.


I'd imagine that Morris could do a good job on the small forwards as well. But yes Callan is our best suited for the role

[Sockeye Salmon]

Oh, of course it isn't a science, and your recollection of events is spot on, in my book. Deledio was a shoo-in #1 pick, sure, but I'm just questioning the logic of picking two running, light-bodied types in the first five picks.. why wouldn't you at least go for a key position prospect as well? Besides Franklin there was Williams which we took.

While it's not a science by any stretch, there are better recruiters and worse recruiters, and some clubs (I'm thinking North and the Hawks in general) do it much better than others, and Richmond is clearly one of the worst at it. You would think a side that has only played finals twice in twenty years would have plenty of early picks to work with.

I heard 10 clubs rated Deledio as no. 1 and 6 clubs rated Griffen. Those that rated Griffen were us, Collingwood, both Adelaide clubs and "two other interstate clubs".

Roughead was considered a good, honest, safe, unspectacular bet and Franklin was acknowledged as extremely talented but a huge risk.

[bulldogsman]

What if Callan isn't fit? Could we see someone like Picken or Wood debuting?

[LostDoggy]

I heard 10 clubs rated Deledio as no. 1 and 6 clubs rated Griffen. Those that rated Griffen were us, Collingwood, both Adelaide clubs and "two other interstate clubs".

Roughead was considered a good, honest, safe, unspectacular bet and Franklin was acknowledged as extremely talented but a huge risk.

Yeah, Clayton kept saying that we would have taken Ryan at #1.

And good, honest, safe, unspectacular bets would have been very nice for the Dogs given the failed experiments we've had with early tall picks in the past. You just want nice good talls. I think we've got ourselves a beauty with our own little Roughead.

[comrade]

What if Callan isn't fit? Could we see someone like Picken or Wood debuting?

That would give me something to write about in the Player Manager thread :)

[LostDoggy]

You would think a side that has only played finals twice in twenty years would have plenty of early picks to work with.

You only get pick 8 for coming 9th;)

[azabob]

Probably not at this time but it wouldn't surprise me to see Tiller become our "swing man" in the future like Hunter of West Coast when he gets more experience. At the end of the 2007 season he was about the only shining light in our dismal forward line if my memory serves me correct.

Your memory serves you very well, that is why I thought he was worth trying in 2008 from the start. I think if Scott Welsh wasn't on our list Tiller would be playing his role.

[azabob]

Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)


Does Williams have the "footy brain" to play forward? I think he is much better suited to follow that bloke around and punch the ball away from him.

Everitt is one as well as Tiller I'd be looking to play down forward.