The 2009 T&T Who to root for thread

[Throughandthrough]

Supercoach team is all injured so bored when stuck @ home watching nuetral games of footy?

Do you agree that the Dogs cant finish first or second?

Do you agree that we just MUST finish top 4?

Ever wondered who to barrack for in every single game?

Here's all you need, the 2009 "T&T who to Root for thread"


I will update this EVERY WEEK (probably)

And yes, it is quite probable that towards the end of the year I may change some of these calls.



LADDER


teams p w l d % pts
St. Kilda 11 11 0 0 183.2 44
Geelong 11 11 0 0 153.0 44
Western Bulldogs 11 7 4 0 116.0 28
Carlton 11 6 5 0 117.0 24
Brisbane 11 6 5 0 101.4 24
Hawthorn 11 6 5 0 98.5 24
Port Adelaide 11 6 5 0 96.9 24
Adelaide 11 6 5 0 95.9 24
Collingwood 10 5 5 0 100.8 20
Sydney 11 5 6 0 96.4 20
Essendon 11 5 6 0 94.0 20
North Melbourne 11 4 7 0 78.9 16
West Coast 11 3 8 0 87.2 12
Fremantle 11 3 8 0 79.7 12
Richmond 11 2 9 0 77.3 8
Melbourne 10 1 9 0 73.3 4

Team that I want to win in Red

Tomorrow Pies v Melb

Round 12, in order of my preference...

DOGS v Port

Carl v St K

HAW v BL

Adel v NM

SYD v Coll

ESS v Melb

Free v Geel

Rich v WCE

[boydogs]

I like it :) Nice thread

I'm not 100% convinced (maybe 99%) we can't finish Top 2 at the Saints expense, look how they have struggled against North and Brisbane the last two weeks and they are yet to be badly hurt by injuries. We would probably have to take 5 games off them with their percentage though so huge ask. Having said that I don't care given the first week of finals will be at Docklands/MCG and we would just play the Saints anyway if it were 3rd v 2nd as opposed to 2nd v 3rd. Hardly seems fair to sides who are unbeaten 4 games clear :D

There may be something to be said for finishing 3rd as opposed to 4th though to play the Saints rather than Geelong in week 1 of the finals if the Saints do have a slump in the second half of the year. Geelong have proven consistency over 2.5 seasons but the Saints' depth is untested and like us they only won one final last season against a non-top 4 side. Yes you would probably still have to play Geelong anyway in the Grand Final, but maybe the Saints or Hawks could take them out for us and maybe they would be haunted by the ghosts of the 2008 final on the big stage. Also I would rather build up to taking on Geelong in the Grand Final after a week off than having to beat them twice, missing the week off if losing the first time.

So I am looking for a few things in the second half of the year in neutral games -

- Geelong and St Kilda to play poorly, whether winning or losing (not going to wish injuries and suspensions on them but if they happen I won't complain :D)
- Other Top 3/Top 4 threats (I would say Carlton down to Collingwood 4th to 9th at the moment, all the sides on 6-5 assuming Collingwood beat Melbourne) to drop games
- Hawthorn in particular to struggle, being probably the biggest threat to us for the flag outside Geelong and the Saints

Regarding the tips, I wouldn't mind seeing Freo take down the Cats next week as at 3-8 they are not a top 4 threat but if they can win at home through the remainder of the year that would take games off Carlton, Brisbane and Port in particular who are top 4 contenders

Richmond v West Coast - neither side will be a threat so I am happy to stick with wanting Richmond to lose there :D

[hujsh]

Don't see the logic in wanting the Cats to beat Freo.

[Remi Moses]

Just witnessed the best Down Hill skiing,basket ball match of all time Adelaide Essendon.
That footy can win home and away games but not finals.
I'd say top 2 is gawn,now we hope geelong and Stkilda keep winning and knock over sides around us.Hopefully the sides out of contention [dare I say Richmond] can also upset the applecart. Is it just me or when the Blue Cheats win their imbocilic fans come out of their trees and begin chest beating.

[LostDoggy]

Just witnessed the best Down Hill skiing,basket ball match of all time Adelaide Essendon.
That footy can win home and away games but not finals.
I'd say top 2 is gawn,now we hope geelong and Stkilda keep winning and knock over sides around us.Hopefully the sides out of contention [dare I say Richmond] can also upset the applecart. Is it just me or when the Blue Cheats win their imbocilic fans come out of their trees and begin chest beating.

Its not just you mate, I can hear it from South Australia. After they were pumped by the Cows, most had not only jumped off the wagon but burnt it as they left... DOnt want to see them in the top 4 please.

[LostDoggy]

Round 12, in order of my preference...

DOGS v Port

Carl v St K
HAW v BL

Adel v NM

SYD v Coll

ESS v Melb

Free v Geel

Rich v WCE

A couple of things I want to fall our way. Carlton to finish in the bottom half of the 8 along with Hawthorn, with Brisbane/Collingwood to finishing fourth. We play the Saints for first final, beat them and wait for the looser out of Brisbane/Collingwood, play them and we are in the GF against Geelong, unless Collinwood pulls out a game against the Cats and wins.

I don't want Carlton to finish top four because we seem to struggle against them, and I don't want to leave anything to chance. There bandwagon jumpers would be out in force as well:mad:

Do I want us to beat the Saints and Geelong, not sure, if we lose to both again that will give those team a false sense of security when they come up against us in finals, and then we should wack them.

I am really happy as to how we are travelling, there is no pressure on us to not lose a game as there is with the Saints and Geelong, we are still not playing our best footy, but we are playing good footy and I would expect us to win the next four games. No serious injuries has been a bonus, and with Hudson and Aker in good form it makes a huge difference to our game.

[alwaysadog]

Is it just me or when the Blue Cheats win their imbocilic fans come out of their trees and begin chest beating.

Could be heard all over Melbourne. Upset the wildlife out our way. They will just have settled down when it starts again.

What do we have a zoo for when these types run free?

[Desipura]

A great initiative Throughandthrough. Will read your posts with interest, especially at the pointy end of the season.

[Throughandthrough]

Two thirds of the way through the round

have jist invented a points system. where "most important" is 8 points, second is 7, so on

that means 36 points up for grabs each week

(8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1)




Round 12, in order of my preference...

DOGS v Port 8 points

Carl v St K 7 points

HAW v BL 6 points

Adel v NM nope

SYD v Coll

ESS v Melb

Free v Geel

Rich v WCE 1 point



so far, pretty good!

[Throughandthrough]

The Week is finally over!

Using my recently invented points system. where "most important" is 8 points, second is 7, so on

that means 36 points up for grabs each week

(8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1)

We got:

DOGS v Port 8 points

Carl v St K 7 points

HAW v BL 6 points

Adel v NM nope

SYD v Coll nope

ESS v Melb nope

Free v Geel 2 points

Rich v WCE 1 point

24 points out of a possible 36, think that's fairly good.

Ladder:


AFL 2009 Laddermore results
teams p w l d % pts
St. Kilda 12 12 0 0 173.6 48
Geelong 12 12 0 0 150.8 48
Western Bulldogs 12 8 4 0 123.9 32
Collingwood 12 7 5 0 109.4 28
Brisbane 12 7 5 0 105.3 28
Adelaide 12 7 5 0 100.2 28
Carlton 12 6 6 0 114.5 24
Essendon 12 6 6 0 98.6 24
Hawthorn 12 6 6 0 94.9 24
Port Adelaide 12 6 6 0 89.6 24
Sydney 12 5 7 0 94.7 20
North Melbourne 12 4 8 0 76.3 16
West Coast 12 3 9 0 86.9 12
Richmond 12 3 9 0 79.8 12
Fremantle 12 3 9 0 79.7 12
Melbourne 12 1 11 0 69.7 4



Next week, my selections in red in order of priority.

Kan v WBU
Coll v Freeo
BL v Melb
Ade v Syd
Wce v Haw
Ess v Carl
Gee v PA
StK v Rich

[hujsh]

Can I ask again why you wanted Geelong to beat Freo out of curiosity.

I would have though it would be better for us if Freo won

[mjp]

All of this is fine...but if we just keep winning games wont the rest of it sort itself out?

[The Coon Dog]

Can I ask again why you wanted Geelong to beat Freo out of curiosity.

I would have though it would be better for us if Freo won

Depends on whether you want Geelong or St.Kilda to finish second (assuming we finish third).

[Throughandthrough]

Can I ask again why you wanted Geelong to beat Freo out of curiosity.

I would have though it would be better for us if Freo won

We really want Geelong and St Kilda to win every game for the rest of the season (well, you know what i mean)


There's no difference between 2nd and 3rd.

[Throughandthrough]

All of this is fine...but if we just keep winning games wont the rest of it sort itself out?

Absolutely

Our game is allways the most important.


But i doubt we will win every game for the rest of the season. But that would be nice.

[hujsh]

I get it now. :)

[comrade]

Barracking for Eagles pretty hard right now!

[Throughandthrough]

At the 5/8 ths way point

Kan v WBU TBA
Coll v Freeo Nope.
BL v Melb Nope.
Ade v Syd Nope.
Wce v Haw Yep, 4 points
Ess v Carl Yep, 3 points (maybe should be ranked higher)
Gee v PA TBA
StK v Rich TBA


Pretty obvious, but a win today is vital, is a classic 8 point game.

[Throughandthrough]

End of round

Kan v WBU Yep. 8 points
Coll v Freeo Nope.
BL v Melb Nope.
Ade v Syd Nope.
Wce v Haw Yep, 4 points
Ess v Carl Yep, 3 points (maybe should be ranked higher)
Gee v PA Yep . 2 points
StK v Rich Yep. 1 Point.

I give this round 18 out of 36. We got the vital win, but other close competitors also won.

barely a pass.

Current ladder.

AFL 2009 Laddermore results
teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 13 13 0 0 177.5 52
Geelong 13 13 0 0 149.7 52
Western Bulldogs 13 9 4 0 124.0 36
Collingwood 13 8 5 0 116.3 32

Brisbane 13 8 5 0 110.0 32
Adelaide 13 8 5 0 101.6 32
Essendon 13 7 6 0 104.3 28
Carlton 13 6 7 0 107.3 24

Hawthorn 13 6 7 0 93.8 24
Port Adelaide 13 6 7 0 88.0 24
Sydney 13 5 8 0 93.7 20
West Coast 13 4 9 0 89.4 16
North Melbourne 13 4 9 0 76.6 16
Richmond 13 3 10 0 77.1 12
Fremantle 13 3 10 0 76.2 12
Melbourne 13 1 12 0 68.1 4




I'll put my selections in later in the week.

Next weeks games.


Coll v Ess
Mel v WCE
Port v BL
Rich v Adel
WBU v Haw
Syd v NMFC
Free v Carl
St K v Geel

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The Essendon/Collingwood game is huge. If The Pies win, they're going to be hard to stop from making the Top 4.

The Dons are an improving side with plenty of pace, I wouldn't completely discount them either.

For some reason I don't think Adelaide and Brisbane will quite make it to the Top 4.

If we topple Hawthorn, IMO their season is gone.

[boydogs]

My two cents - the first 4 picks are home teams so hopefully we get some good results


8. WB v Haw
Hopefully we are back to our best after blowing out the cobwebs and fired up to make amends for the QF last year

7. Rich v Adel
Richmond out of finals contention, Adelaide fighting for top 4

6. Port v BL
Brisbane a top 4 contender, Port in 10th

5. Freo v Carl
Freo out of finals contention, Carlton on 6 wins

4. Coll v Ess
Collingwood a top 4 contender, Essendon in 7th though also in the mix

3. St K v Geel
Interesting one. Probably splitting hairs more so than the last two games but has more possibility of affecting our season

Geelong's lower percentage means they are closer to us, but they are proven over 3 seasons now and the Saints are the more likely side to lose a few and allow us to catch up. There is no difference between finishing second and third, but it may make finishing top 4 easier if they really collapse. The more likely factor however is that a Geelong win would help them finish top and the Saints second, allowing us to play the Saints in week one of the finals if we hold on to third, which I would prefer to playing Geelong, particularly if they lose a few and coast into 2nd like we did into 3rd last year

In any case it should be a good one to watch

2. Syd v NMFC
5 and 4 wins respectively, not much threat to top 4

1. Mel v WCE
Neither side in final 8 contention

[Throughandthrough]

End of round

Kan v WBU Yep. 8 points
Coll v Freeo Nope.
BL v Melb Nope.
Ade v Syd Nope.
Wce v Haw Yep, 4 points
Ess v Carl Yep, 3 points (maybe should be ranked higher)
Gee v PA Yep . 2 points
StK v Rich Yep. 1 Point.

I give this round 18 out of 36. We got the vital win, but other close competitors also won.

barely a pass.

Current ladder.

AFL 2009 Laddermore results
teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 13 13 0 0 177.5 52
Geelong 13 13 0 0 149.7 52
Western Bulldogs 13 9 4 0 124.0 36
Collingwood 13 8 5 0 116.3 32

Brisbane 13 8 5 0 110.0 32
Adelaide 13 8 5 0 101.6 32
Essendon 13 7 6 0 104.3 28
Carlton 13 6 7 0 107.3 24

Hawthorn 13 6 7 0 93.8 24
Port Adelaide 13 6 7 0 88.0 24
Sydney 13 5 8 0 93.7 20
West Coast 13 4 9 0 89.4 16
North Melbourne 13 4 9 0 76.6 16
Richmond 13 3 10 0 77.1 12
Fremantle 13 3 10 0 76.2 12
Melbourne 13 1 12 0 68.1 4




I'll put my selections in later in the week.

Next weeks games.


Coll v Ess
Mel v WCE
Port v BL
Rich v Adel
WBU v Haw
Syd v NMFC
Free v Carl
St K v Geel


OK

8 points Dogs v Hawks
7 points Coll v Ess Can someone stop the pies please
5.5 points Rich v Adel I am worried re the Cows form
5.5 point Port v BL ditto
4 points Geel v St K lots of career ending injuries for both teams
3 points Free v Carl
2 points Syd v NMFC
1 point Mel v WCE (meh)

[Throughandthrough]

SO FAR

8 points Dogs v Hawks
7 points Coll v Ess NOPE
5.5 points Rich v Adel
5.5 point Port v BL 5.5 POINTS
4 points Geel v St K
3 points Free v Carl
2 points Syd v NMFC
1 point Mel v WCE 1 POINT

[Throughandthrough]

SO FAR

8 points Dogs v Hawks 8 points
7 points Coll v Ess NOPE
5.5 points Rich v Adel NOPE
5.5 point Port v BL 5.5 POINTS
4 points Geel v St K
3 points Free v Carl
2 points Syd v NMFC
1 point Mel v WCE 1 POINT


This just proves how vital it is that we keep winning, as the reams just below us haven't lost a game between them in the last month either.

[Throughandthrough]

8 points Dogs v Hawks 8 points
7 points Coll v Ess NOPE
5.5 points Rich v Adel NOPE
5.5 point Port v BL 5.5 POINTS
4 points Geel v St K NOPE
3 points Free v Carl NOPE
2 points Syd v NMFC NOPE
1 point Mel v WCE 1 POINT



Only 14.5 out of 36

MASSIVE game this weekend.

teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 14 14 0 0 170.4 56
Geelong 14 13 1 0 145.0 52
Western Bulldogs 14 10 4 0 130.4 40
Collingwood 14 9 5 0 118.4 36

Adelaide 14 9 5 0 102.9 36
Brisbane 14 8 6 0 105.1 32
Carlton 14 7 7 0 107.8 28
Essendon 14 7 7 0 101.4 28

Port Adelaide 14 7 7 0 92.1 28
Sydney 14 6 8 0 95.3 24
Hawthorn 14 6 8 0 88.0 24
West Coast 14 4 10 0 88.8 16
North Melbourne 14 4 10 0 77.2 16
Richmond 14 3 11 0 77.5 12
Fremantle 14 3 11 0 77.0 12
Melbourne 14 2 12 0 71.5 8


Rd 15

WBU vs Coll
Syd v Ess
Carl v Rich
Bris v Geel
Ade v Free
Haw v Kan
Mel v PA
WCE v St K

My Picks to come later in the week

[hujsh]

I'd have

WBU vs Coll
Ade v Free
Bris v Geel
WCE v St K
Syd v Ess
Carl v Rich
Haw v Kan
Mel v PA

[Throughandthrough]

8 points Dogs v Hawks 8 points
7 points Coll v Ess NOPE
5.5 points Rich v Adel NOPE
5.5 point Port v BL 5.5 POINTS
4 points Geel v St K NOPE
3 points Free v Carl NOPE
2 points Syd v NMFC NOPE
1 point Mel v WCE 1 POINT



Only 14.5 out of 36

MASSIVE game this weekend.

teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 14 14 0 0 170.4 56
Geelong 14 13 1 0 145.0 52
Western Bulldogs 14 10 4 0 130.4 40
Collingwood 14 9 5 0 118.4 36

Adelaide 14 9 5 0 102.9 36
Brisbane 14 8 6 0 105.1 32
Carlton 14 7 7 0 107.8 28
Essendon 14 7 7 0 101.4 28

Port Adelaide 14 7 7 0 92.1 28
Sydney 14 6 8 0 95.3 24
Hawthorn 14 6 8 0 88.0 24
West Coast 14 4 10 0 88.8 16
North Melbourne 14 4 10 0 77.2 16
Richmond 14 3 11 0 77.5 12
Fremantle 14 3 11 0 77.0 12
Melbourne 14 2 12 0 71.5 8



Syd v Ess


Bris v Geel
Ade v Free




My Picks to come later in the week

Gosh!

Allmost forgot

WBU vs Coll 8 points
Ade v Free 7 pts
Bris v Geel 6 pts
Carl v Rich 5 pts
Syd v Ess 4 pts
Mel v PA 3 pts
Haw v Kan 2 pts
WCE v St K 1 pt

[boydogs]

16 points for our game this week I reckon, Collingwood are the closest side to us being one of only two teams on 9 wins and the only side below us that has a percentage anywhere near ours

[Throughandthrough]

16 points for our game this week I reckon, Collingwood are the closest side to us being one of only two teams on 9 wins and the only side below us that has a percentage anywhere near ours



Yep, good call.


Was thinking of bending the unwritten rules that don't even exist to do something like that.


Easily the most important game of the season.


So far.

[Throughandthrough]

Shocking start


WBU vs Coll 8 points Nope
Ade v Free 7 pts
Bris v Geel 6 pts
Carl v Rich 5 pts Nope
Syd v Ess 4 pts Yep, 4 points
Mel v PA 3 pts
Haw v Kan 2 pts
WCE v St K 1 pt


Freeo no chance tonight at all :(

Geelong will probably lose as well :(

[Sockeye Salmon]

Shocking start


WBU vs Coll 8 points Nope
Ade v Free 7 pts
Bris v Geel 6 pts
Carl v Rich 5 pts Nope
Syd v Ess 4 pts Yep, 4 points
Mel v PA 3 pts
Haw v Kan 2 pts
WCE v St K 1 pt


Freeo no chance tonight at all :(

Geelong will probably lose as well :(

You might have to drop your pants here.

I don't think you'll get a single point.


PS. Sydney lost.

[Throughandthrough]

Cheers Sockeye, silly mistake.



WBU vs Coll 8 points Nope
Ade v Free 7 pts Nope
Bris v Geel 6 pts Nope
Carl v Rich 5 pts Nope
Syd v Ess 4 pts Nope
Mel v PA 3 pts
Haw v Kan 2 pts
WCE v St K 1 pt

[Throughandthrough]

Shocker!

WBU vs Coll 8 points Nope
Ade v Free 7 pts Nope
Bris v Geel 6 pts Nope
Carl v Rich 5 pts Nope
Syd v Ess 4 pts Nope
Mel v PA 3 pts Yep
Haw v Kan 2 pts Nope
WCE v St K 1 pt Nope.........


Worst wekeend. Ever.

3 points.

I guess it can only get better!

AFL 2009 Laddermore results
teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 15 15 0 0 167.2 60
Geelong 15 13 2 0 137.4 52
Western Bulldogs 15 10 5 0 127.8 40
Collingwood 15 10 5 0 116.9 40

Adelaide 15 10 5 0 112.4 40
Brisbane 15 9 6 0 108.2 36
Carlton 15 8 7 0 108.8 32
Essendon 15 8 7 0 103.8 32

Port Adelaide 15 7 8 0 91.9 28
Hawthorn 15 7 8 0 89.2 28
Sydney 15 6 9 0 93.2 24
West Coast 15 4 11 0 88.1 16
North Melbourne 15 4 11 0 77.7 16
Richmond 15 3 12 0 77.8 12
Melbourne 15 3 12 0 73.8 12
Fremantle 15 3 12 0 71.7 12


Next week

Tips TBA

Ess v WBU
Car v Syd
Geel v Melb
Free v BL
Coll v Haw
PA v WCE
Rich v Kan
St K v Ade

[Throughandthrough]

[AFL 2009 Laddermore results
teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 15 15 0 0 167.2 60
Geelong 15 13 2 0 137.4 52
Western Bulldogs 15 10 5 0 127.8 40
Collingwood 15 10 5 0 116.9 40

Adelaide 15 10 5 0 112.4 40
Brisbane 15 9 6 0 108.2 36
Carlton 15 8 7 0 108.8 32
Essendon 15 8 7 0 103.8 32

Port Adelaide 15 7 8 0 91.9 28
Hawthorn 15 7 8 0 89.2 28
Sydney 15 6 9 0 93.2 24
West Coast 15 4 11 0 88.1 16
North Melbourne 15 4 11 0 77.7 16
Richmond 15 3 12 0 77.8 12
Melbourne 15 3 12 0 73.8 12
Fremantle 15 3 12 0 71.7 12


Next week

Tips TBA

Ess v WBU 8 points hooray
Coll v Haw 7 points
St K v Ade 6 points
Free v BL 5 points
Car v Syd 4 points
PA v WCE 3 points
Rich v Kan 2 points
Geel v Melb 1 point

[comrade]

SPOILER ALERT!


















Hawks are doing the right thing by smashing the Pies - at 3 qtr time they lead by 5 goals.

Let's hope they can finish the job to give us some breathing space in the top 4.

[Scraggers]

Nice one T and T

Go Hawks :D

[Throughandthrough]

The Crows have been hit hard by the flu. They are no chance tomorrow.

[comrade]

Fremantle gave it a good shake.

Shaping up as a much better week for T&T's cheering guide, after last week's shocker :D

[The Coon Dog]

Gee I hope Adelaide hit St.Kilda with everything but the kitchen sink tomorrow, but just fall short.

[Sockeye Salmon]

The Crows have been hit hard by the flu. They are no chance tomorrow.

I hope they breathe all over the St. Kilda players when they tackle them.

[Bulldog4life]

I hope they breathe all over the St. Kilda players when they tackle them.

I love it.:D

[Scraggers]

Gee I hope Adelaide hit St.Kilda with everything but the kitchen sink tomorrow, but just fall short.

Good call TCD :)

[LostDoggy]

Good call TCD :)


Gee I hope Adelaide hit St.Kilda with everything but the kitchen sink tomorrow, but just fall short.

Seems to be going that way at the moment ( Quarter-time).

Been a good weekend for the Dogs so far, well done to the Hawks yesterday.:)

[Rocco Jones]

If the Saints vs Crows game continues on the same path we might hold a bigger gap over Collingwood and Adelaide than before Round 15 (amazing considering we lost to Collingwood and Adelaide had such an enormous win).

Kosi might get rubbed out. Perhaps he wants to avoid Lake?

[The Coon Dog]

Kosi might get rubbed out. Perhaps he wants to avoid Lake?

For those of us who haven't seen it, what did he do?

[Rocco Jones]

For those of us who haven't seen it, what did he do?

High contact after being late to a mark contest.

I think he will be OK. Only chance of missing would be if he had high carry over points.

He has hurt his hand though and has been on the bench since. Not sure of the specific injury, probably split webbing looking at him.

[The Coon Dog]

High contact after being late to a mark contest.

Surely worth a week!

Thanks RJ.

[Rocco Jones]

Surely worth a week!

Thanks RJ.

I've made it some worse than it is. It was a fist to the upper back/neck of his opponent in a late spoiling attempt.

[The Coon Dog]

I've made it some worse than it is. It was a fist to the upper back/neck of his opponent in a late spoiling attempt.

Still worth a week, particularly this week. ;)

[Throughandthrough]

Ess v WBU 8 points hooray
Coll v Haw 7 points hooray
St K v Ade 6 points hooray
Free v BL 5 points boo
Car v Syd 4 points boo
PA v WCE 3 points boo
Rich v Kan 2 points ummmm
Geel v Melb 1 point meh



Got the important one's right, happy with that.

Top 4 not cemented yet by a long stretch but still a very strong chance if we keep doing what we should. (der)

Ladder


teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 16 16 0 0 169.8 64
Geelong 16 14 2 0 139.0 56
Western Bulldogs 16 11 5 0 128.7 44
Collingwood 16 10 6 0 112.2 40

Brisbane 16 10 6 0 109.0 40
Adelaide 16 10 6 0 107.2 40
Carlton 16 9 7 0 112.5 36
Essendon 16 8 8 0 101.3 32

Port Adelaide 16 8 8 0 94.5 32
Hawthorn 16 8 8 0 92.7 32
Sydney 16 6 10 0 89.7 24
North Melbourne 16 4 11 1 79.0 18
West Coast 16 4 12 0 86.7 16
Richmond 16 3 12 1 78.9 14
Melbourne 16 3 13 0 72.9 12
Fremantle 16 3 13 0 71.8 12

Next week

Carl v Coll
Gee v Haw
Free v WCE
BL v Kan
StK v WBU
Mel v SYD
Ess v Rich
Ade v PA

Tips TBA.

[Throughandthrough]

Ladder


teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 16 16 0 0 169.8 64
Geelong 16 14 2 0 139.0 56
Western Bulldogs 16 11 5 0 128.7 44
Collingwood 16 10 6 0 112.2 40

Brisbane 16 10 6 0 109.0 40
Adelaide 16 10 6 0 107.2 40
Carlton 16 9 7 0 112.5 36
Essendon 16 8 8 0 101.3 32

Port Adelaide 16 8 8 0 94.5 32
Hawthorn 16 8 8 0 92.7 32
Sydney 16 6 10 0 89.7 24
North Melbourne 16 4 11 1 79.0 18
West Coast 16 4 12 0 86.7 16
Richmond 16 3 12 1 78.9 14
Melbourne 16 3 13 0 72.9 12
Fremantle 16 3 13 0 71.8 12

Keep your ghoulies crossed for the team named in red

StK v WBU 8 pts
Carl v Coll 7 pts
BL v Kan 6 pts
Ade v PA 5 pts
Gee v Haw 4 pts
Ess v Rich 3 pts
Mel v SYD 2 pts
Free v WCE 1 pt (so they dont get priority draft)

[Throughandthrough]

Disaster


StK v WBU 8 pts Fail
Carl v Coll 7 pts Fail
BL v Kan 6 pts Fail
Ade v PA 5 pts Fail
Gee v Haw 4 pts Yes
Ess v Rich 3 pts Yes
Mel v SYD 2 pts Fail
Free v WCE 1 pt Yes

Not that it matters, but i got 7/8 in my real footy tips, boo Richmond.

Ladder

teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 17 17 0 0 170.0 68
Geelong 17 15 2 0 136.3 60
Western Bulldogs 17 11 6 0 123.7 44
Collingwood 17 11 6 0 115.6 44

Adelaide 17 11 6 0 111.9 44
Brisbane 17 11 6 0 111.4 44
Carlton 17 9 8 0 108.3 36
Essendon 17 8 9 0 100.9 32

Hawthorn 17 8 9 0 93.0 32
Port Adelaide 17 8 9 0 90.9 32
Sydney 17 7 10 0 91.2 28
Richmond 17 4 12 1 80.3 18
North Melbourne 17 4 12 1 78.0 18
West Coast 17 4 13 0 86.9 16
Fremantle 17 4 13 0 73.2 16
Melbourne 17 3 14 0 72.9 12


Next week

Kan v Carl
WBD v Free
Gee v Ade
Syd vs St K
Coll v Br L
Mel v Rich
Port v Haw
WCE v Ess


Some massive games next week which will shape the final 4.

Tips TBA

[Throughandthrough]

teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 17 17 0 0 170.0 68
Geelong 17 15 2 0 136.3 60
Western Bulldogs 17 11 6 0 123.7 44
Collingwood 17 11 6 0 115.6 44

Adelaide 17 11 6 0 111.9 44
Brisbane 17 11 6 0 111.4 44
Carlton 17 9 8 0 108.3 36
Essendon 17 8 9 0 100.9 32

Hawthorn 17 8 9 0 93.0 32
Port Adelaide 17 8 9 0 90.9 32
Sydney 17 7 10 0 91.2 28
Richmond 17 4 12 1 80.3 18
North Melbourne 17 4 12 1 78.0 18
West Coast 17 4 13 0 86.9 16
Fremantle 17 4 13 0 73.2 16
Melbourne 17 3 14 0 72.9 12


Next week

Kan v Carl
WBD v Free
Gee v Ade
Syd vs St K
Coll v Br L
Mel v Rich
Port v Haw
WCE v Ess


OK fellow Woofters; here's what you have all been waiting for *



WBD v FREE 9 pts
Gee v Ade 7 pts
Coll v Br L 6 pts
Port v Haw 5 pts
Kan v Carl 4 pts
WCE v Ess 3 pts
St K v Syd 2 pts
Mel v Rich don't care 0 pts


* You may not have all been waiting for these.

[LostDoggy]

When the Bulldogs aren't playing, I support the injuries and suspensions team.

[Sedat]

Coll v Br L 6 pts
Aside from my hatred of all things filth, not sure which result will favour us in the long run. All I know is that a draw would be an absolute disaster because we have both teams well covered from a percentage perspective, so a draw will effectively take percentage out of the equation and keep both teams hot on our heels (even if we win this week), instead of one team dropping a full game and percentage off the pace.

[The Coon Dog]

Aside from my hatred of all things filth, not sure which result will favour us in the long run. All I know is that a draw would be an absolute disaster because we have both teams well covered from a percentage perspective, so a draw will effectively take percentage out of the equation and keep both teams hot on our heels (even if we win this week), instead of one team dropping a full game and percentage off the pace.
Must say, my preferred option here is Collingwood to win. They have the easier draw so I want Brisbane to lose a few.

[aker39]

Aside from my hatred of all things filth, not sure which result will favour us in the long run.

If we want to just make sure we just finish in the 4 (not 3rd), then a Collingwood win is actually a better result.

[Throughandthrough]

Aside from my hatred of all things filth, not sure which result will favour us in the long run. All I know is that a draw would be an absolute disaster because we have both teams well covered from a percentage perspective, so a draw will effectively take percentage out of the equation and keep both teams hot on our heels (even if we win this week), instead of one team dropping a full game and percentage off the pace.



OK, good points. Was hard to pick this one.

Pretty sure whoever i picked may change my mind about it in a few weeks...

[Sedat]

Not sure Collingwood has as soft a draw as everyone is making out.

Dogs have left:
Freo (Etihad)
West Coast (Etihad)
Brisbane (Gabba)
Geelong (Etihad)
Collingwood (Etihad)

Collingwood has:
Brisbane (MCG)
Adelaide (AAMI)
Richmond (MCG)
Swans (MCG)
Dogs (Etihad)

Brisbane has:
Collingwood (MCG)
Essendon (MCG)
Dogs (Gabba)
Port (Gabba)
Swans (SCG)

Adelaide has:
Geelong (KP)
Collingwood (AAMI)
Hawthorn (MCG)
West Coast (AAMI)
Carlton (Etihad)

The perfect scenario for us in the next 2 weeks would be for Collingwood to beat both Brisbane and Adelaide in the next 2 weeks, and hope that Brisbane loses to Esendon next week and Adelaide loses to Geelong this week. Those results will give us a 2 game and percentage buffer in the top 4 (assuming we beat the tanking teams), and with 3 games left, just about home and hosed in the top 4.

We have 2 games left against the tanking teams and Adelaide has one - by contrast, all of Brisbane's and Collingwood's remaining fixtures are live to some degree. Even Richmond will be a tough opponent when they play Collingwood as they will be going hell for leather now that the PP is out of ther equation, players are playing for their lives and the coach is pressing hard to make the job his next year. Port and the Swans will be the wildcards because they might be out of finals calculations by Round 21, which will give Collingwood and Brisbane (x2) soft games in the last 2 weeks.

[The Coon Dog]

Looks like we must win at least one of our games against Bris, Geel or Coll (assuming we beat both Freo & WCE) to finish top 4.

[Sedat]

Looks like we must win at least one of our games against Bris, Geel or Coll (assuming we beat both Freo & WCE) to finish top 4.
Following our costly loss to Collingwood, Brisbane at the Gabba was always going to be the pivotal fixture - it will determine our fate in relation to the double-chance.

[1eyedog]

Following our costly loss to Collingwood, Brisbane at the Gabba was always going to be the pivotal fixture - it will determine our fate in relation to the double-chance.

Not if we can defeat Collingwood in round 22. As TCD suggested one win between rounds 20-22 should get us over the line. A win would be preferable against our direct competition, Brisbane or Collingwood.

[Sedat]

Not if we can defeat Collingwood in round 22. As TCD suggested one win between rounds 20-22 should get us over the line. A win would be preferable against our direct competition, Brisbane or Collingwood.
I'd love to have a top 4 spot essentially sewn up before Round 21. Not jumping through hoops at the thought of Sunday twilight in Round 22 being a bruising affair if it becomes a must-win game to make top 4.

[Mantis]

I'd love to have a top 4 spot essentially sewn up before Round 21. Not jumping through hoops at the thought of Sunday twilight in Round 22 being a bruising affair if it becomes a must-win game to make top 4.

Have to agree with that Sedat.

If we can win our next 3 and get to 14 wins with our healthy percentage advantage (which should increase over the next 2 weeks) we should be assured of a top 4 finish.

I believe we simply have to beat Brisbane in Brisbane.

[Desipura]

I hope we finish 3rd as I would rather play Geelong than the Saints first up.

[The Coon Dog]

I hope we finish 3rd as I would rather play Geelong than the Saints first up.

If we play Geelong, we come off a 6 day break as opposed to Geelong's 7.

Should we lose to Geelong we have been advised that we would cop another 6 day break & play the following Friday night.

[Desipura]

If we play Geelong, we come off a 6 day break as opposed to Geelong's 7.

Should we lose to Geelong we have been advised that we would cop another 6 day break & play the following Friday night.
interesting, however I am still not sold on playing St Kilda first

[aker39]

If we play Geelong, we come off a 6 day break as opposed to Geelong's 7.

Should we lose to Geelong we have been advised that we would cop another 6 day break & play the following Friday night.


Yes, but if we win we'll have a 13 day break ;)

[The Coon Dog]

Yes, but if we win we'll have a 13 day break ;)
I thought about that after I posted. ;)

[Desipura]

I thought about that after I posted. ;)

no, Im sticking to my guns, I wanna play Geelong, then win and as you say take 13 day break

[aker39]

no, Im sticking to my guns, I wanna play Geelong, then win and as you say take 13 day break

.... and not have to play either St Kilda or Geelong in the prelim.

It just sounds all to easy doesn't it.

[aker39]

Demetriou today said that they are looking at changing our Round 22 game to the Saturday at 4.10pm. Switching the Carlton Adelaide game.

I think there is more to this. They never change games, just look at Geelong v St Kilda a couple of weeks ago. If there are 3 Melbourne finals and they can't play a final in Melbourne on the Friday, then a Saturday final will have to be at Etihad. I don't think the AFL want to give Etihad anything.

[1eyedog]

I'd love to have a top 4 spot essentially sewn up before Round 21. Not jumping through hoops at the thought of Sunday twilight in Round 22 being a bruising affair if it becomes a must-win game to make top 4.

Yup that's fair enough.

[Remi Moses]

Demetriou today said that they are looking at changing our Round 22 game to the Saturday at 4.10pm. Switching the Carlton Adelaide game.

I think there is more to this. They never change games, just look at Geelong v St Kilda a couple of weeks ago. If there are 3 Melbourne finals and they can't play a final in Melbourne on the Friday, then a Saturday final will have to be at Etihad. I don't think the AFL want to give Etihad anything.

Finally some common sense from City hall.

[Throughandthrough]

WBD v FREE 9 pts Yep
Gee v Ade 7 pts Yep (that feck)
Coll v Br L 6 pts Nope
Port v Haw 5 pts
Kan v Carl 4 pts Nope
WCE v Ess 3 pts
St K v Syd 2 pts Yep
Mel v Rich don't care 0 pts

[boydogs]

Good day for our top 4 hopes yesterday, a game and good percentage gap clear of 5th for now

[comrade]

West Coast forgot to tank today and sacrificed a round 1 priority pick - that means we'll move up the draft by one pick.

[Throughandthrough]

WBD v FREE 9 pts Yep
Gee v Ade 7 pts Yep (thank feck)
Coll v Br L 6 pts Nope
Port v Haw 5 pts Yep
Kan v Carl 4 pts Nope
WCE v Ess 3 pts Yep
St K v Syd 2 pts Yep
Mel v Rich don't care 0 pts Lol, Richmond may keep him now

As said above, take that round for sure.

[comrade]

Best week you've had in a while T&T.

The Geelong win was crucial, and I'm glad the Hawks are just about shot, but their season still has a pulse after Essendon's insipid effort.

[Throughandthrough]

AFL 2009 Ladder
p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 18 18 0 0 164.3 72
Geelong 18 16 2 0 134.1 64
Western Bulldogs 18 12 6 0 124.5 48
Collingwood 18 12 6 0 117.7 48

Adelaide 18 11 7 0 111.0 44
Brisbane 18 11 7 0 108.0 44
Carlton 18 10 8 0 108.5 40
Port Adelaide 18 9 9 0 92.4 36

Essendon 18 8 10 0 99.3 32
Hawthorn 18 8 10 0 92.5 32
Sydney 18 7 11 0 91.6 28
Richmond 18 5 12 1 81.4 22
West Coast 18 5 13 0 89.1 20
North Melbourne 18 4 13 1 78.6 18
Fremantle 18 4 14 0 73.1 16
Melbourne 18 3 15 0 74.0 12



4 rounds to go.

Next week


CAR v GEEL
WBU v WCE
HAW v StK
ESS v BRI
ADE v COLL
KAN v MEL
RICH v SYD
FREE v PA


Tips TBA

[Sedat]

As discussed earlier in the thread, Collingwood's victory over Brisbane might end up being the perfect result for us - if we beat West Coast this week, Collingwood can knock off Adelaide, and Essendon bounce back and beat Brisbane, we will be 2 games and a hefty slice of percentage clear in the top 4 at the end of Round 19.

[Sockeye Salmon]

HAW v StK
FREE v PA


If StK and PA win Hawthorn will be 2 games out with 3 to play.

[boydogs]

If StK and PA win Hawthorn will be 2 games out with 3 to play.

Port have Carlton (home) and Brisbane (away) in rounds 20 & 21, I can see them letting Hawthorn back into calculations. Hawthorn is 0.1% up on them now and so would probably have them on percentage if they do win 1 game more than Port in the last 4 rounds

[Throughandthrough]

St. Kilda 18 18 0 0 164.3 72
Geelong 18 16 2 0 134.1 64
Western Bulldogs 18 12 6 0 124.5 48
Collingwood 18 12 6 0 117.7 48

Adelaide 18 11 7 0 111.0 44
Brisbane 18 11 7 0 108.0 44
Carlton 18 10 8 0 108.5 40
Port Adelaide 18 9 9 0 92.4 36

Essendon 18 8 10 0 99.3 32
Hawthorn 18 8 10 0 92.5 32
Sydney 18 7 11 0 91.6 28
Richmond 18 5 12 1 81.4 22
West Coast 18 5 13 0 89.1 20
North Melbourne 18 4 13 1 78.6 18
Fremantle 18 4 14 0 73.1 16
Melbourne 18 3 15 0 74.0 12



4 rounds to go.

Next week


CAR v GEEL
WBU v WCE
HAW v StK
ESS v BRI
ADE v COLL
KAN v MEL
RICH v SYD
FREE v PA


Okay Rooting fans, cross your fingers and ghoulies as you barrack for

[Mantis]

CAR v GEEL
WBU v WCE
HAW v StK
ESS v BRI
ADE v COLL
KAN v MEL
RICH v SYD
FREE v PA

Okay Rooting fans, cross your fingers and ghoulies as you barrack for

I am already starting to feel ill in the thought I will have to root for Collingwood this week.

[Throughandthrough]

Okay Rooting fans, cross your fingers and ghoulies as you barrack for (in order of rootability)


WBU v WCE
ADE v COLL (Root for Collingwood. Your team needs you)
ESS v BRI
CAR v GEEL
HAW v StK
FREE v PA
KAN v MEL

[bulldogtragic]

I am already starting to feel ill in the thought I will have to root for Collingwood this week.
Yeh Didak. I hope he plays a blinder so he can release a DVD for his 152nd game.:rolleyes:

[The Coon Dog]

Okay Rooting fans, cross your fingers and ghoulies as you barrack for (in order of rootability)


WBU v WCE
ADE v COLL (Root for Collingwood. Your team needs you)
ESS v BRI
CAR v GEEL
HAW v StK
FREE v PA
KAN v MEL

If the decision to support St.Kilda is to deny Hawthorn a final 8 spot, then surely we should be supporting Port Adelaide?

[Sockeye Salmon]

If the decision to support St.Kilda is to deny Hawthorn a final 8 spot, then surely we should be supporting Port Adelaide?

I will be

[Throughandthrough]

If the decision to support St.Kilda is to deny Hawthorn a final 8 spot, then surely we should be supporting Port Adelaide?


Quite correct. Tips altered.


WBU v WCE
ADE v COLL (Root for Collingwood. Your team needs you)
ESS v BRI
CAR v GEEL
HAW v StK
FREE v PA
KAN v MEL

[Throughandthrough]

WBU v WCE
ADE v COLL
ESS v BRI
CAR v GEEL Fail.
HAW v StK
FREE v PA
KAN v MEL

[boydogs]

CAR v GEEL Fail.


Bugger. Just what we don't need a 4th side under us pushing for top 4. If they win their last 3 it would be 14 wins, meaning we would need to win another 2 from our last 4. They have to beat Port in Adelaide next week, then Melbourne and Adelaide at Docklands. Hopefully they lose next week but beat Adelaide in round 22 to keep them at bay.

[Happy Days]

Do we barrack for Adelaide tonight now?

[Throughandthrough]

WBU v WCE Massive fail.
ADE v COLL Go the pies!
ESS v BRI Half a fail
CAR v GEEL Fail.
HAW v StK Hooray
FREE v PA
KAN v MEL

[bulldogtragic]

Thanks to today's insipid performance, it's almost getting to a pointless exercise now. It's win or fall into the bottom 4.

[Sedat]

Brisbane's draw was as good as a win with their poor percentage. Had Essendon not pissed 2 premiership points down the drain in the last minute and a half, and had we not pissed 4 premiership poijts down earlier today, we would have been 2 games and percentage clear in the top 4 right now. Now we are scrapping it against 3 other clubs (including Carlton). Truth be told, we deserve nothing less after what was probably the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen from a Bulldog team since the Royce Hart days.

Today was an unmitigated disaster for our club.

[The Coon Dog]

Is there much difference between finishing 4th & losing to St.Kilda & finishing 5th & beating 8th?

The loser of 1 v 4 plays the winner of 5 v 8 in week 2 of the finals.

[bulldogtragic]

Only that the theory suggests we cannot beat St Kilda. If that's the case i'd prefer going out first week and getting a lower pick.

Sedat, your comments as usual as poignant and precise. 'Unmitigated disasted' in deed. Dark day for this group of players, very dark day.

[Rocco Jones]

Truth be told, we deserve nothing less after what was probably the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen from a Bulldog team since the Royce Hart days.

Today was an unmitigated disaster for our club.

Sorry if I am giving too much time to semantics but I had it as our most disappointing rather than worst 45 minutes of football. I've seen us play worse, we actually still created opportunities in those 45 minutes. It was the most disappointing 45 minutes due to the team's talent and my expectations of them.

[Rocco Jones]

Is there much difference between finishing 4th & losing to St.Kilda & finishing 5th & beating 8th?

The loser of 1 v 4 plays the winner of 5 v 8 in week 2 of the finals.


I would rather go into a semi-final having won an elimination final than losing a qualifying final.

Obviously I would rather come 4th than 5th though because it means you are at least guaranteed a spot in the semi-finals.

[Sedat]

Sorry if I am giving too much time to semantics but I had it as our most disappointing rather than worst 45 minutes of football. I've seen us play worse, we actually still created opportunities in those 45 minutes. It was the most disappointing 45 minutes due to the team's talent and my expectations of them.
You're right, disappointing is the better term.

I was watching 2 teams out there today. One of them won a flag 3 years ago, have stunk it up in the last 2 years as they rebuild the list, tank for all their might until last week, put their best players out to pasture, and yet (based on today's game) West Coast look closer to a premiership that we do.

Sometimes it hurts like hell supporting this club.

[Rocco Jones]

You're right, disappointing is the better term.

I was watching 2 teams out there today. One of them won a flag 3 years ago, have stunk it up in the last 2 years as they rebuild the list, tank for all their might until last week, put their best players out to pasture, and yet (based on today's game) West Coast look closer to a premiership that we do.

Sometimes it hurts like hell supporting this club.

Our 2007 thrashing at the hands of the Eagles was mentioned on the pre-game radio coverage. I turned to my partner and said something about how quickly things have changed and that we would be delivering a similar thrashing today. When we were down by 46 points the old saying about the more things change, the more they stay the same was going through my head.

[comrade]

Port Adelaide are a worse version of us - no forward structure, midfielders who continue to make poor decisions and a backline that leaks goals.

[Rocco Jones]

Port Adelaide are a worse version of us - no forward structure, midfielders who continue to make poor decisions and a backline that leaks goals.

I said the same thing prior to our last game against them and used the theory to tip a huge win. They are our perfect opponent.

[Throughandthrough]

WBU v WCE Massive fail.
ADE v COLL Go the pies!
ESS v BRI Half a fail
CAR v GEEL Fail.
HAW v StK Hooray
FREE v PA Fail
KAN v MEL[/QUOTE] Fail


Ladder

St. Kilda 19 19 0 0 163.8 76
Geelong 19 16 3 0 129.8 64
Collingwood 19 13 6 0 118.3 52
Western Bulldogs 19 12 7 0 122.7 48

Brisbane 19 11 7 1 107.6 46
Carlton 19 11 8 0 110.3 44
Adelaide 19 11 8 0 109.0 44
Port Adelaide 19 9 10 0 90.7 36

Essendon 19 8 10 1 99.3 34
Sydney 19 8 11 0 95.1 32
Hawthorn 19 8 11 0 91.4 32
West Coast 19 6 13 0 89.9 24
North Melbourne 19 5 13 1 82.8 22
Richmond 19 5 13 1 79.8 22
Fremantle 19 5 14 0 76.3 20
Melbourne 19 3 16 0 72.5 12



Next week

Haw v Cows
Rich v Coll
WCE v Kan
Bris v WBU
Syd v Geel
Mel v Free
PA v Carl
Ess v St K

Tips TBA

[boydogs]

Bris v WBU - 8 point game - 12 even. We are guaranteed a top 4 spot if we win this game and one of the other remaining two

Haw v Crows
PA v Carl
Rich v Coll

Don't care about the other 4 games

WCE v Kan
Mel v Free
Syd v Geel
Ess v St K

[aker39]

Is there much difference between finishing 4th & losing to St.Kilda & finishing 5th & beating 8th?

The loser of 1 v 4 plays the winner of 5 v 8 in week 2 of the finals.


There is one very big difference TCD.

If 4 is an interstate team, you will play interstate in week 2 of the finals.

[Throughandthrough]

WBU v WCE Massive fail.
ADE v COLL Go the pies!
ESS v BRI Half a fail
CAR v GEEL Fail.
HAW v StK Hooray
FREE v PA Fail
KAN v MEL Fail


Ladder

St. Kilda 19 19 0 0 163.8 76
Geelong 19 16 3 0 129.8 64
Collingwood 19 13 6 0 118.3 52
Western Bulldogs 19 12 7 0 122.7 48

Brisbane 19 11 7 1 107.6 46
Carlton 19 11 8 0 110.3 44
Adelaide 19 11 8 0 109.0 44
Port Adelaide 19 9 10 0 90.7 36

Essendon 19 8 10 1 99.3 34
Sydney 19 8 11 0 95.1 32
Hawthorn 19 8 11 0 91.4 32
West Coast 19 6 13 0 89.9 24
North Melbourne 19 5 13 1 82.8 22
Richmond 19 5 13 1 79.8 22
Fremantle 19 5 14 0 76.3 20
Melbourne 19 3 16 0 72.5 12


OK

Time to get serious.

My order.

Bris v WBU
PA v Carl
Haw v Cows
Rich v Coll

Rest don't care.

[Cyberdoggie]

I Can't believe it,
I'm going to have to barrack for Hawthorn and Richmond this week.


There is 3 very tense weeks of footy left for the season but in truth,
if the results go wrong for us this weekend, it could be practically all over red rover!

[Throughandthrough]

My order.

Bris v WBU Hooray
PA v Carl
Haw v Cows Fail
Rich v Coll Massive Fail

Rest don't care.


If it is to be, it's up to us....

[The Coon Dog]

You got the one that mattered right this week!

[Throughandthrough]

My order.

Bris v WBU Hooray
PA v Carl Fail
Haw v Cows Fail
Rich v Coll Massive Fail


Ladder

teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 20 19 1 0 158.1 76
Geelong 20 17 3 0 128.5 68
Collingwood 20 14 6 0 123.4 56
Western Bulldogs 20 13 7 0 122.6 52

Carlton 20 12 8 0 112.9 48
Adelaide 20 12 8 0 110.3 48
Brisbane 20 11 8 1 106.1 46
Essendon 20 9 10 1 99.5 38

Port Adelaide 20 9 11 0 88.6 36
Sydney 20 8 12 0 95.1 32
Hawthorn 20 8 12 0 90.4 32
West Coast 20 7 13 0 92.4 28
North Melbourne 20 5 14 1 81.8 22
Richmond 20 5 14 1 76.9 22
Fremantle 20 5 15 0 74.7 20
Melbourne 20 4 16 0 76.5 16


Next week


WBU v Geel
Carl v Mel
Ade v WCE
Bris v PA
Rich v Haw
St K v Kan
Coll v Syd
Freeo v Syd

Tips TBA

[boydogs]

Thanks T&T for keeping the thread updated, it has been interesting to keep tabs on
If you go by the current ladder positions next week could be disastrous

Coll 3rd v Syd 10th
WB 4th v Geel 2nd
Carl 5th v Mel 16th
Adel 6th v WCE 12th
Bris 7th v PA 9th

If both Carlton and Adelaide win then one of them will get to 14 wins as they are playing each other in round 22, meaning we must win another game for top 4. No matter the other results though for the rest of the year, 1 more win guarantees the double chance

[LostDoggy]

What's the chances of Collingwood loosing to the Swans? They are playing some deadly football at the moment.

[Throughandthrough]

Ladder

teams p w l d % pts

St. Kilda 20 19 1 0 158.1 76
Geelong 20 17 3 0 128.5 68
Collingwood 20 14 6 0 123.4 56
Western Bulldogs 20 13 7 0 122.6 52

Carlton 20 12 8 0 112.9 48
Adelaide 20 12 8 0 110.3 48
Brisbane 20 11 8 1 106.1 46
Essendon 20 9 10 1 99.5 38

Port Adelaide 20 9 11 0 88.6 36
Sydney 20 8 12 0 95.1 32
Hawthorn 20 8 12 0 90.4 32
West Coast 20 7 13 0 92.4 28
North Melbourne 20 5 14 1 81.8 22
Richmond 20 5 14 1 76.9 22
Fremantle 20 5 15 0 74.7 20
Melbourne 20 4 16 0 76.5 16


Next week


WBU v Geel
Carl v Mel
Ade v WCE
Bris v PA
Rich v Haw
St K v Kan
Coll v Syd
Freeo v Syd

Simple equation.

We win = guaranteed top 4.
If we lose...

In order

Ade v WCE
Carl v Mel
Then

Bris v PA

All three very unlikely.

[bulldogtragic]

Simple equation now - Win.

[Throughandthrough]

Simple equation.

We win = guaranteed top 4.
If we lose...

In order

Ade v WCE
Carl v Mel
Then

Bris v PA



OK, forget all that:D


GO THE SWANS!

[Rocco Jones]

After tonight's result, I would prefer the Lions to beat Port for a couple of reasons.
1/ Would like to see the Lions and Crows displace Carlton in the top 6 to get home finals. If we lose our QF, I would love to play an interstate side in Melbourne in the semis.
2/ Gives Swans more motivation against Collingwood.

[The Coon Dog]

After tonight's result, I would prefer the Lions to beat Port for a couple of reasons.
1/ Would like to see the Lions and Crows displace Carlton in the top 6 to get home finals. If we lost our QF, I would love to playing an interstate side in Melbourne in the semis.
2/ Gives Swans more motivation against Collingwood.

Yup, I like your thinking.

[Rocco Jones]

Yup, I like your thinking.

Thank you. I think I might edit one of those sentences though, awful misuse of tense!

[boydogs]

After tonight's result, I would prefer the Lions to beat Port for a couple of reasons.
1/ Would like to see the Lions and Crows displace Carlton in the top 6 to get home finals. If we lose our QF, I would love to play an interstate side in Melbourne in the semis.
2/ Gives Swans more motivation against Collingwood.

Good chance this will happen too I would think

[bulldogtragic]

After tonight's result, I would prefer the Lions to beat Port for a couple of reasons.
1/ Would like to see the Lions and Crows displace Carlton in the top 6 to get home finals. If we lose our QF, I would love to play an interstate side in Melbourne in the semis.
2/ Gives Swans more motivation against Collingwood.
Almost best case scenario if we can't displace Collingwood.

A more broad question to one and all, if you're a doggies player on the verge of finals, do you go in 110% and hope be beat Collingwood by 40pts or whatever to steal 3rd, or is the subconscious telling you not to get hurt and keep your place. I'm not saying the players wont try, but the subconscious is pretty powerful and i wonder what the main motivation would be?

Perhaps with the win over Geelong, the boys will want to have a crack at them first up and bust a pooper valve tryin g to get that 1st week matchup?

[boydogs]

Almost best case scenario if we can't displace Collingwood.

A more broad question to one and all, if you're a doggies player on the verge of finals, do you go in 110% and hope be beat Collingwood by 40pts or whatever to steal 3rd, or is the subconscious telling you not to get hurt and keep your place. I'm not saying the players wont try, but the subconscious is pretty powerful and i wonder what the main motivation would be?

Perhaps with the win over Geelong, the boys will want to have a crack at them first up and bust a pooper valve tryin g to get that 1st week matchup?

Given our contrasting results against Geelong and St Kilda this year I would suggest we will be pretty focused on 3rd spot. It's not going to be 40 points unless the Swans capitulate tomorrow, but I don't think we will take the foot off the pedal

[boydogs]

After tonight's result, I would prefer the Lions to beat Port for a couple of reasons.
1/ Would like to see the Lions and Crows displace Carlton in the top 6 to get home finals. If we lose our QF, I would love to play an interstate side in Melbourne in the semis.
2/ Gives Swans more motivation against Collingwood.

Anyone think the Pies could miss the top 4? If they are beaten well by the inform Swans and Dogs the next two weeks, the winner of Carlton and Adelaide next week could catch them on percentage after their big wins today

[Happy Days]

Anyone think the Pies could miss the top 4? If they are beaten well by the inform Swans and Dogs the next two weeks, the winner of Carlton and Adelaide next week could catch them on percentage after their big wins today

In a word, no. The Pies are flying, and probably have assumed the mantle of the second best team in the comp from Geelong.

[Rocco Jones]

Being the cool cat that I am, I have played around with Collingwood's potential percentage tomorrow. If Collingwood win by 1 pt and Sydney score 89 points or more, we will go into 3rd at the end of the round.

For those following tomorrow's Pies vs Swans game and our chase for 3rd, here's a bit of a rough guide. Assuming the Pies win tomorrow, for every 2 points they win by we will have to beat them by an extra point. For example, if they beat the Swans by 30 points, we will need to beat them by 15 points next week.

[Throughandthrough]

Last ever post by me on this thread!

All we need this week to secure a top 4 is to not get absolutely smashed by the Pies and at the same time the Carlton v Crows game be closish as well.

I'll let everyone else debate what order for the whole top 8 suits the Dogs.

[bulldogtragic]

Great thread here T&T, well done. For me this week, results which end up:

Saints (don't care)
Geelong (don't care)
Dogs (win)
Pies (lose)
Crows (win)
Lions (win)
Carlton (lose)
Essendon (win)

[Sedat]

Saints (injuries)
Geelong (injuries)
Dogs (win, no injuries)
Pies (lose, injuries)
Crows (win, injuries)
Lions (win, injuries)
Carlton (lose, injuries)
Essendon (win, injuries)

[aker39]

Saints (injuries)
Geelong (injuries)
Dogs (win, no injuries)
Pies (lose, injuries)
Crows (win, injuries)
Lions (win, injuries)
Carlton (lose, injuries)
Essendon (win, injuries)


I don't wish injuries upon anyone


Saints (loss - we don't want Melbourne to get priority pick, suspensions)
Geelong (suspensions)
Dogs (win, no injuries or suspensions)
Pies (lose, suspensions)
Crows (win, suspensions)
Lions (win, suspensions)
Carlton (lose, suspensions)
Essendon (win, suspensions)

[Sedat]

I don't wish injuries upon anyone
Nothing career threatening, just some annoying 3-4 week injuries that will have them cherry ripe first week of October :)

[LostDoggy]

Almost best case scenario if we can't displace Collingwood.

A more broad question to one and all, if you're a doggies player on the verge of finals, do you go in 110% and hope be beat Collingwood by 40pts or whatever to steal 3rd, or is the subconscious telling you not to get hurt and keep your place.

Would this be the case for Collingwood players too?

[bulldogtragic]

Possibly, unless the players strongly believe they want the Cats and will do anything to get them? I'm not sure what their mindset would be???

[boydogs]

Last ever post by me on this thread!

All we need this week to secure a top 4 is to not get absolutely smashed by the Pies and at the same time the Carlton v Crows game be closish as well.

I'll let everyone else debate what order for the whole top 8 suits the Dogs.

Thanks T&T. Is it not worth continuing this into the finals, to debate who we would rather play each week?

[Sedat]

Thanks T&T. Is it not worth continuing this into the finals, to debate who we would rather play each week?
I'm more than happy to resurrect this thread for the finals, on behalf of T&T who has done a sterling job during the H&A season:

Ade v Ess
Geel v WB
BL v Carl
St K v Coll

The first 3 matches are self-explanatory, and St Kilda would be the preferred victor in the other QF as it would leave the Pies and Bombers in our half of the prelim final draw if we beat the Cats. The above results would leave Coll v Ess and Geel v BL as the semi finals the following week.

[boydogs]

Ade v Ess
Geel v WB
BL v Carl
St K v Coll


Geel v WB
Geelong
If we are to lose and the Saints win, we will go into the St Kilda side of the draw. I see St Kilda as our biggest threat and can see a benefit in getting them earlier (prelim) rather than later (GF) before they can build up a head of steam again. I think we can handle either Brisbane or Carlton, and playing every week could help keep us in good form as opposed to having the week off and being less battle hardened

WB
The week off is crucial, and the confidence priceless from a win. Winning puts us 2 wins from a premiership as opposed to 3 if we lose. Plus putting Geelong and (assuming they win) St Kilda in the same half of the draw means we may not even have to play the Saints at all if Geelong can take them out.

Adel v Ess
Adelaide
If Adelaide win there is more chance that St Kilda or Collingwood could go out in straight sets. I am confident against Adelaide, especially in Melbourne, but if they can manage to take out one of the top 4 I think that will help us.

Essendon
If Essendon win then the 5th placed finisher and our PF kryptonite is out and the side that beat the Pies on ANZAC day and the Saints in round 20 faces them in their home state to possibly take out one of the top 4 sides and leave us with the 8th placed finisher in the PF.

BL v Carl
Brisbane
If we lose then Brisbane would need to travel down to Melbourne to play us. They have a few players out and we beat them in round 20 up in Brisbane. Carlton beat us in their only meeting this year.

Carlton
We tend to struggle against sides with two big forwards, and Morris and a hard time on Bradshaw in round 20. Tom Williams may not be ready for week 2 of the finals to help out. The players Brisbane have out now may be back by week 2. Carlton have had a somewhat inconsistent year losing by 10+ goals last week with a home final on the line and may be an easier opponent if we were to lose.

St K v Coll
St Kilda
A Saints win would ensure if we win ourselves that we don't need to face them until the GF, and that Geelong would be on their side of the draw. Our win over Collingwood last week would give us great confidence against them in a PF

Collingwood
With St Kilda possibly our biggest threat, denying the Saints the week off would be a big step towards September success for us. Collingwood in the GF would not intimidate us after last week's win

Who I want to win:

Ade v Ess
Geel v WB
BL v Carl
St K v Coll

Who I think will win:

Ade v Ess
Geel v WB
BL v Carl
St K v Coll

[The Adelaide Connection]

With the ladder a whole lot more congested this year and working out who would benefit us the most by winning/losing a bit too much like rocket science, is it too early for this thread to reappear and shine a guiding light?

[Throughandthrough]

good call mate, was thinking about this Friday night!

May wait untilk after the split round.